Early last year the survivalist Bear Grylls proposed the idea of a male-only survival show in which to watch men survive on a desert island together. As expected, the feminist outcry was swift - http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/women-take-on-bear-grylls-over-sexist-maleonly-desert-island-show-9273498.html.
Survival expert and bush craft instructor Lisa Fenton described the decision as “inherently sexist”, saying it was absurd to think that women weren’t as capable as men when it came to survival skills. “It’s fantastical and ridiculous. Women are every bit as cut out for this stuff as men,” she said. “It is sexism and it’s deeply rooted.”
“Looking at indigenous society, female roles are every bit as important,” she said. “It’s not just men who make the fires and go hunting, but now survival has become a bit of a cult of masculinity.”
This particular part stands out as the most important -
“It’s a pity that Channel 4 have decided to have a male-only show as if somehow suggesting that women couldn’t cut it – or, more probably, that women wouldn’t make good TV,” she said. “But there is such a male-oriented bias with adventure TV programmes already that it doesn’t surprise me to see this.”
Women feel the need to invade male spaces from gentlemans clubs to geek culture, and proclaim their 'right' to be included. Women so desperately want to be a part of great male-only circles and establishments, but when they scream and cry loud enough that they are begrudgingly let in, they ruin what made those things so great in the first place.
The reason for this drive to infiltrate male spaces has been whittled down to 2 main ideas here on TRP:
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This is a form of social control, because women need to silence these male only spaces because men talk, share ideas leading to the depedestalising of women and the denying them of male attention.
- That women have a biological drive to infiltrate male spaces, because it is paramount to her survival.
I'm arguing the latter, as men have single-handedly constructed and maintained civilization itself, and women have merely been passive participants in this process, reaping the benefits of male protection and resources.
https://i.imgur.com/RiccaxC.png
Almost everything you will ever use in your daily life has been designed and built by men. Feminists would counter that because women have been so oppressed, they were never given the chance to invent or create - but when given complete control over their own lives and environment - women fail spectacularly.
http://www.returnofkings.com/32053/this-accidental-experiment-shows-the-superiority-of-patriarchy
The above article demonstrates essentially that women cannot build hierarchy, they cannot organize or allocate responsibility, and they cannot survive without male involvement. A women only island of the 'survivor' TV series had to have men from the male-only island brought in because the women couldn't build shelter, ration and gather food or do anything besides sunbathe on the beach.
Now for a beautiful piece of schadenfreude - it appears that Bear Grylls ran a 'women only' survival show as a counter to the claims that his male only show was sexist. The result was hilariously poetic.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/island-bear-grylls-review-women-5543391
They landed ashore with bright-eyed optimism from Beki the camerawoman: “We’ll not only survive but we’ll thrive.” Six days into The (Women’s) Island With Bear Grylls and how are the castaways faring? Well, severely dehydrated Fran collapsed and was stretchered off, base camp can’t relight the fire and are drinking rainwater off their shelter and the expedition party trying to get back to them “is lost in the thick of jungle and completely out of water”. You go, girls.
The sea which, on an island, stays on the left if you go in a big circle. No doubt they clung to Bear’s advice in their darkest hour: “The thing to remember is positivity, positivity, positivity.” Which prompted this from Jaime, on them failing to find camp and emerging at Coconut Beach a third time: “It’s only around the corner but we cannot f*ing navigate through that. I cannot walk, I’m just fd and we’re all fd.”
This is surprising, as 'Survival expert' and bush craft instructor Lisa Fenton did say that "Women are every bit as cut out for this stuff as men, it is sexism and it’s deeply rooted.” After all, she also said “It’s a pity that Channel 4 have decided to have a male-only show as if somehow suggesting that women couldn't cut it."
Women need to infiltrate male spaces, demonize male only institutions and complain and cry about sexism because it is their biological imperative to do so and guarantee their place in the tribe. If a woman were to be excluded from a male-only survivor island and forced to live on her own, she'd die. Female shit tests, female manipulation, female social machinations - their entire existence depends on their ability to manipulate men to serve as their protectors.
So next time you're mad at shit tests, pissed off that they're seemingly heartless and manipulative, frustrated that she tries to use sex as a bargaining tool, or stamping her feet and crying like a child maintaining that 'Women can do anything men can!" - simply chuckle to yourself and remember that evolution has given her this demeanor to survive. If you were both dumped on a deserted island together and she couldn't manipulate you into providing for her, she's completely and utterly fucked.
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If you just do a simple search for Lisa Fenton, you can see that any time this "Survival expert" is in the wild; it is with a man. This chick is all for publicity and cannot survive on her own. Her own accredit is solely based on men. She even touts how she brings her 8 month old son with her. Don't know if any of you have been in a real survival situation but having a 8 month old isn't something you want.
Vaganusaurus 10y ago
This post and all the replies brings to mind one of my favorite books: White Waters and Black
There was actually a post about it a month ago: http://i.imgur.com/onUIkdZ.png
orangutan_innawood 10y ago
I think the infiltration goes both ways and is largely a product of curiosity. For example, if you look at homosexual communities, there are actually just as many, if not more instances of men who "pretend" to be lesbians than vice versa, no?
Waldo00 10y ago
Haha for real?Helps prove beyond a doubt that nope they can't even SURVIVE on their own. Useless. They probably didnt pick intelligent women though.
scarletspider3 10y ago
I bet they picked a hairdresser, a manicurist, and a gender studies major for their survival team.
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Rougepellet 10y ago
They could just make a different survival show that's female only, no need for the melodrama. Then it would be like it is with sports teams, men only and female only teams. Everyone is happy
ioncloud9 10y ago
You know what they should do then? They should change the TV show and have a separate island where only women try to survive. Then have it a competition between the two islands and see who wins. But no, they dont want that because they know what will happen.
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That's what they did in the Return of Kings example I posted above, 2 islands - 1 male 1 female. Because the female island was doing so badly (no food, no shelter, no clean clothes) they swapped 3 men and women around in each camp.
The women that went to the male camp basically just sunbathed all day because the men had built shelter, drying racks, and a fire pit, as well as collected food. The women didn't want any responsibility so they did nothing and let men provide for them.
The men who went to the female island however asked them where all the food was, where the shelter was etc. but were told that 'We don't have any' by the women. So they built all the shelter and gathered all the food - essentially setting the women up really well... and then all the women just started to sunbathe again and be useless.
foldpak111 10y ago
Lol that is pretty accurate
Traz_Onmale 10y ago
Don't they do that every season? If so, is this the only season it went wrong?
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Traz_Onmale 10y ago
I've checked it and they did the same thing in 2006. I've watched the first three episodes and the women actually seemed to do very well in this season.
Women gather and cook a better meal in ep2. The men sacrifice their rice for the challenge. One man leaves due to hunger in ep3.
Men lose their means of making a fire in ep2. The leader says there's no structure and people only care about their own mess.
Men's hut in ep2 vs women's hut in ep2
Men choose a pizza while women choose a guide who gives tips on where and how to find food on the island which benefits them in the long term.
Men talk behind each others' backs (complaining about someone's guitar, somebody lying sickly in a hammock the whole time). Women discuss openly why they voted one of them almost off the island.
The women enjoy themselves. One of the women says she loves the island so much she hardly thinks about her family.. The one model teaches the others some modelling, another woman tries to include a weak contestant in their games (ep3).
Women create a yell for team-spirit, men try to do the same...
The women help and comfort one of their team who doesn't feel well and who breaks down. Say they feel bad for her. They do talk with her and tell her she needs to take on a stronger mentality. The men, however, are mad at and hardly believe one of their team members who says he feels like shit and who fainted during a challenge.
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But that's what they're doing now on this Bear Grylls show also..
EDIT: Oh you mean have it as a competiton?
[deleted] 10y ago
Yeah, there's no way you could do a men vs women survivor unless you rigged it. We figured out that boys vs girls was unfair in high school.
newls 10y ago
This is a reflection on the feminised school system which speaks volumes really. The (mostly) female teaching staff are more concerned with everyone getting along than meritocracy.
I could go on and on about how this affects students' attitudes to sport and fair play, and how boys are demonised for their natural behaviour, but that's been gone into a lot already.
At my high school prizegiving ceremony a specific subject prize was given to some girl even though I wiped the floor with everyone in my year at that subject in the A-level exams.
But I'd already earned another prize so they deemed it more "fair" (HAHAHA their disgusting twisted definition of "fair") that she get a prize too because she was also big on that subject and her dad taught our lessons a few times.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
Love this. It pretty much explains why feminism and 'equality' these days is basically code for giving women a leg up. Actually pitting men against women in fair, meritocratic competition is seen by women as unfair due to the unspoken discrepancies between male and female capabilities, yet the same women who would say that is unfair are the ones who proudly declare that women can do anything men can do whilst profiting from quotas, affirmative action and other equality of outcome schemes.
Both genders know by the age of about 7 that boys vs girls is unfair and from that point on throughout the entire education system you will always see women be reluctant to compete men vs women unless it's in a field where women are likely to have a clear advantage, like sewing or something. Fun story: for the last 2 or 3 years at my university, the football team have challenged the netball team to a game of netball. The netball team have been successful at regional levels whereas most of the footballers don't even know the rules until they turn up for the game. Nevertheless, the footballers' sheer competitive will has led to 3 wins in 3 years. And needless to say no one has even suggested a football game between the two teams except as a hilarious joke.
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This is the problem with "Women in the infantry" argument going on now in the armed forces. The Marine Corps trying putting some of the best women through Marine Infantry Officer training. No one passed.
Actually tomorrow the first women will start Ranger School for the Army. But apparently they need women advisers...
foldpak111 10y ago
They would consider that twice as sexist
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Only sexist if women ended up looking bad.
newls 10y ago
Feminists originally wanted equality of opportunity. Now they have it they just don't measure up to us men, so they want forced equality of results.
Dravous 10y ago
makes you wonder if maybe they actually didn't know what the score was...
makethemwant 10y ago
Well written and thought-provoking. Thanks.
Toastlove 10y ago
I watched that first episode with the women's island. Some of the older women did try and take charge and they had some success, but really fucked up in the second half by deciding to have a party on the beach then forgetting where they left their friends and getting hopelessly lost.
Isaiah4verse1 10y ago
My life is my male space. And there's not a single bitch that can piss, scream, moan, protest or legislate her way in.
[deleted] 10y ago
While it's an awesome mindset, all it takes is a woman to cry abuse, rape 'You're the father' or any other bullshit and the government will step in to defend her pussy pass.
[deleted] 10y ago
Woke up, sitting here drinking coffe and reading some daily red pill. This is the fucking world we live in. Entitled whores who didn't do shit for civilization other than reproduce. Fuck it, I'm out. Going to move back to Russia and move out into the woods and build some self sustainable shit and maybe build a small community with my closest friends and shit who would travel all the way across the earth if I was bleeding out in some other country (which unsurprisingly my female "closest friends" would never do lol).. A man can dream.
copralalic 10y ago
My community would be in the Rockies, not the Urals, but, yeah, same idea. A man can dream.
Kandarino 10y ago
Don't forget the big beard, the pipe and the cotton square-textured shirt.
No but seriously, going back to basics and living in the woods for a while with your closest friends, would be damn spanking amazing. Living in the west can often be tedious when it comes to women, unloading the entirety of your masculinity onto nature for a few weeks would really refill the tanks and get rid of the eye bags.
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SlowFadeToRed 10y ago
This post, right here, cements the point made in this thread, like nothing else in this entire comments section. Here, we have the epitome of male spaces, and a woman simply cannot resist interrupting to try to focus the attention on her.
Was she intentionally trying to divert a discussion about the joys of nature into an obvious straw man argument, followed by an attention-seeking anecdote about how amazing she claims to be at survival skills? Probably not. But it's their biological imperative, their very nature, to invade male spaces, and try to take the male attention away from each other and onto themselves. This post is just perfect evidence of that.
copralalic 10y ago
Correct. I do not know one. Not. Even. One.
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They go hiking up a mountain to hook up with Chad Thundercock for some kisses and play with his penis a little bit. Yeah that was a lousy reference.
gg_s 10y ago
Living in the woods is all things women hate: hard labor, discomfort, patience, uncertainty, and solitude. Men thrive in these situations, therein lies our monopoly on appreciation. Make no mistake, living in the woods is not a "simple thing." We're not talking about a nature hike here.
I know of one woman who enjoys the outdoors only because her father enjoyed the outdoors. Nature has no intrinsic value to her, it's just a venue for childhood memories.
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copralalic 10y ago
I don't care for manual labor as a job, but if it's for me (my tent, my fire, my breakfast) I really enjoy the hell out of it.
Dravous 10y ago
everyone hates manual labor while they're doing it, but men love the sense of accomplishment and achievement when it's finished.
I suspect that's a big part of it. once they know how I wouldn't be surprised if at the next opportunity they all wanted to show that fact off.
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copralalic 10y ago
That's not what he said. He didn't say men were more fit for rustic life, but he implied that males are more inclined to be favorably disposed to rustic life.
Rule #1 of debate: argue what you want to argue and not what the other person actually said. You followed rule #1, but you got caught, so please try again or admit that you were incorrect.
SamFisherSpy 10y ago
Women don't need to invade male spaces if they have a good man. My goddamn dad is gonna be away for 3 days and my mother isn't worried.
Wanna know why? Because her mom and dad instilled into her reality and my dad is a hardworking man.
End of fucking story.
Isaiah4verse1 10y ago
I'm inclined to believe this.
hebola4lyfe 10y ago
WOW 3 days ?! She's a real fighter !
[deleted] 10y ago
Can you define what's your concept of a good man and what your concept of a good woman.
The main point of that sub is that for women good doesn't matter they only care about what is their best opportunity.
No matter how good a man is a woman will dump him without any regret if she can have a better man (or even an apparently better man)
[deleted] 10y ago
Why the fuck can't they just leave us alone?
[deleted] 10y ago
Just be an omega male and I assure you that women will leave you alone.
srsly_forever_alone 10y ago
The results of these experiments are hilarious. I assume the feminists were silent after they failed?
In my eyes, women are akin to petulant children. They intentionally invade (and subsequently ruin) male spaces, simply out of spite because they are not included.
zippyman 10y ago
That is the best view to take, have it in your mind that women are akin to spoiled children and they are much easier to deal with.
angel3110 10y ago
Thrive away, women. Thrive away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2LcbgdSzKs
Traz_Onmale 10y ago
They did the same thing in 2006. I've watched the first three episodes and the women actually seemed to do very well in this season.
Women gather and cook a better meal in ep2. The men sacrifice their rice for the challenge. One man leaves due to hunger in ep3.
Men lose their means of making a fire in ep2. The leader says there's no structure and people only care about their own mess.
Men's hut in ep2 vs women's hut in ep2
Men choose a pizza while women choose a guide who gives tips on where and how to find food on the island which benefits them in the long term.
Men talk behind each others' backs (complaining about someone's guitar, somebody lying sickly in a hammock the whole time). Women discuss openly why they voted one of them almost off the island.
The women enjoy themselves. One of the women says she loves the island so much she hardly thinks about her family.. The one model teaches the others some modelling, another woman tries to include a weak contestant in their games (ep3).
Women create a yell for team-spirit, men try to do the same...
The women help and comfort one of their team who doesn't feel well and who breaks down. Say they feel bad for her. They do talk with her and tell her she needs to take on a stronger mentality. The men, however, are mad at and hardly believe one of their team members who says he feels like shit and who fainted during a challenge.
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I would not be surprised if that was all set up. I have friends who have worked and visited behind the scenes on reality shows, including Survivor, and they have explained how non-reality the shows actually are. The viewers will see people struggling with thirst, while in reality they have bottled water at hand all the time. Producers will sabotage something secretly, just so that they can film the person's melt-down when they see it's gone to shit while they were doing something else. People are shown exposed to the elements and desperately needing shelter, while the reality is that they have access to an off-site hotel. Etc, etc, etc. None of it can be taken at face value.
just_lift 10y ago
Well, then same thing could be said about OPs story. You can't say it's genuine when it fits your agenda and claim it's staged when it doesn't.
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While your statement is true in theory, I have never yet seen the media promote a pro-male agenda at the expense of a feminist one. I like to retain an open mind, but when I see A = B thousands of times and then someone says, "Hey, A could equal Y, too," I need a bit more proof than just the idea that it could possibly be true. Otherwise, you get into that logical fallacy of all dogs having four legs and so forth.
larrythetomato 10y ago
Careful not to give yourself anger needlessly. Women aren't consciously spiteful or antagonistic, they are simply playing out their evolutionary fine-tuned role. They invade spaces because in the past, if they didn't they would probably die. Just like generosity for a complete stranger (with no chance of reciprocation), it is a vestigial behaviour.
hebola4lyfe 10y ago
Have you ever been around women ?
real-boethius 10y ago
You've never had a teenage daughter have you? The back-stabbing, manipulation, telling on, social exclusion, slut shaming etc etc makes Lord of the Flies look like an afternoon tea party.
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copralalic 10y ago
It's not like they necessarily wake up and decide to make everyone else's day hell... they are just that way. You know it's not a choice because they are (almost) all that same way. Raised in a similar economic class and culture, the results are largely the same -- middle-class white teenage girls are the most obnoxious people on Earth.
real-boethius 10y ago
Hmm when you talk to them about it, they are very aware other girls do it, but you may be right they seem unaware when they are doing it themselves.
newls 10y ago
YES! I fucking laughed when I saw this being advertised on TV because I instantly remembered the Dutch equivalent of this some years back where the girls just completely collapsed because of internal squabbling and divisions.
The blokes just got on with everything. Not everyone was best friends, but they all knew that didn't really matter. What mattered was just getting all the jobs done every day and keeping the machine turning.
The girls divided into cliques and formed alliances against each other. None of them got any meaningful tasks done because they were obsessed with every decision being made by consensus and with everyone getting along with each other.
This is replicated in every group solely comprised of women. They will assign far more importance to everyone getting along than actually getting the meaningful tasks done.
This is going to play out nearly exactly how the Dutch Survivor show turned out. Fucking brilliant. Shut those screeching feminists right up.
SuperSpicyBasil 10y ago
Men need women for sex. Women need men in general.
That's just how it is.
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I think this pretty much sums up much of TRP. Succinct and spot-on.
copralalic 10y ago
Women have more to offer men than sex. It's just that the really good stuff, the for-lack-of-a-better-term joie de vivre, is an intangible that is individualized and highly subjective. No (sane) man or woman would ever argue that a good man can not enrich a woman's life, but the reverse is also true. Women make us better in ways that are hard to quantify but easy to see. The problem is when those improvements alter our basic masculinity -- then it's everyone's problem and ain't nobody happy no mo'.
Subtletorious 10y ago
As a counter example, day time television is dominated by women. Ellen, Oprah, The View, Martha Stewart. These women are rich and powerful beyond the dreams of Averious. Yet, strangely, you don't see men complaining about being excluded from this lucurative media market. Nor will you ever see a feminist ever suggest any of these powerful women should step aside for a male voice.
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Because they've tapped into the lucrative market that is middle aged women, no doubt they would have nothing if not for the male camera men, producers, writers, sound guys etc.
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It's because, guess which gender is sitting at home on the couch during the day watching TV?
RANDOMDEFAULT 10y ago
Also the fact that they invade male spaces 99% of women don't even have the slightest affinity with or interest in, like gaming or sports.
Futdashukup 10y ago
They can't be happy on their own, but we can, and that pisses them off.
balalasaurus 10y ago
This reminds me of something that happened a few years back. Here's the story if anyone is interested.
I remember once in a high school our class had this camping/ outdoors survival trip. It was part of a gov't sponsored program for all schools to get students more familiar with the outdoors. This specific trip, we started off at a camp in a town about 5 hours away from my city and our first objective was to get to the base camp of the mountain we were supposed to hike up.
The morning of the first hike, we get split up into two groups. Our class was pretty large at the time (divided into 3 streams in school, but for this trip treated as one) so we were split into two groups. My group just happened to get the girls who were more concerned about being one of the boys than being pretty. I didn't know it at the time but it goes without saying we were destined to fail.
Part of our task was to identify our own route to the base camp. In the other group the guys immediately set about marking the route on the map. In our group though (guys were the minority), the girls decided that they would be the ones to decide our route. Fine go ahead, we told them.
So each group starts off and in the beginning we seem to be taking the same route through the town. Next thing I know we're cutting through the bush in the middle of nowhere. I ask the girl who came up with the route if she knows where she's going and get the response that this is a 'shortcut'. Didn't look like it to me (by that point we had been hiking for hours) so me and the few guys in our group say fuck it. We take the map and make our own route and split up from the group.
An hour later we manage to get to the base camp to find the other group already there. Not only that, they got there a good 2 hours before we did. Meanwhile, our original group was nowhere to be seen. Whatever though we started making camp/ collecting firewood etc. Another hour and a half passes before the girls show up looking haggard as fuck. Some of the girls weren't speaking to each other by that point. Apparently they had been walking in the wrong direction before one of the guides that was with them decided enough was enough and chose to correct them.
Being the little shit that I was, I wanted to go over and berate the girl who picked out the route in the first place. Looking at how beaten they were though, I just went up to her and said that the next day we were choosing the route. She had no choice but to accept (the other girls were looking murderous at that point) and the next morning we made the hike up the mountain in record time, getting there a full hour before the other group. The whole hike up, not a single girl made a sound. It was beautiful.
Blurdeblurdeblur 10y ago
This seems really interesting, would you mind describing the rest of the trip?
balalasaurus 10y ago
Trip went on relatively smoothly after that. Our group consistently was first achieving objectives. The girl and some of her friends tried to take charge a couple of times after but this time the other girls shut them down quick.
Scott555 10y ago
This season a new team joined the bowling league at my local. All great par bowlers, but as trailer park white trash as they come. At least three of them bring their wives and babies with them.
It's a men's league. Babies. At a bowling alley. At night.
Like most "big truths" about gender roles and society, it's pointless to bring this up or attempt to make them understand how inappropriate this is. One of those, "if I have to explain it you wouldn't understand" things.
Drives me nuts. Also to the very last one, their baby-mommas are hideous hillbilly troll women. It's lovely.
exit_sandman 10y ago
I disagree. In older times and other cultures, women were by and large accepting of male spaces. In fact, I assume most women still are even these days. However, it's a feminist minority who wants to break up these male spaces because it can't stand the idea that there are circles women have no access to simply by virtue of being women*. So yeah, it's indeed a form of social control - not necessarily because they crave male attention, but because reasons.
*funny anecdote from a feminist forum I read out of curiosity and masochism some time ago, where the regulars complained about Muslim men (in German cities with larger Muslim communities) were gathering to drink tea and hold conversations, while excluding women. To them, a bunch of guys talking and not wanting to be bothered by women while doing so was illegitimate because it was a "power space" (or some similar BS), while of course women having their women-only spaces was just and necessary because these were "safe spaces".
Redpillc0re 10y ago
The key is that women in the past didnt feel unsafe; they accepted their man's superiority and protection. Women today are shitscared alone; you can literally see that when they go on hysterias like the one the OP mentions.
exit_sandman 10y ago
I doubt that women felt safe back then, considering that life was more dangerous than it is these days. However, they accepted that in the same way they had their female spaces where men didn't bother them, they were barred from entering male circles.
Redpillc0re 10y ago
The rape-hysteria is so pervasive today that people think that women were and are in constant danger. They are not. If you want to rewind 1-2 centuries look at religious societies like the middle east. They are extremely safe because the entire society caters for them: they constrain sexuality, they cater sexual outlets (whores) for men, and they strongly condemn and punish rape so harshly. Touch one of their women and an entire army of men will be after you. Women there do not need to join a male space to get that protection; just to marry a husband.
P.S. I partly blame hollywood shows for the vilification of men in the past.
foldpak111 10y ago
"female survival experts"
How many dinks you done sucked to get that title.
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I've been watching this.
When the women landed on the island they spent 30 minutes chatting to each other despite there only being 2 hours of daylight left and desperately needing to find a beach. 2 days later they were still in the forrest and the group had split and seperated. Took another 3 days for the groups to find each other again.
It's pretty good to watch lol.
Traz_Onmale 10y ago
You should watch the season of 2006 then, they did the same concept again. Very interesting.
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I think men are evolved to extract resources from nature; women are evolved to extract resources from men. It isn't really as cut and dried as that, of course, in a hunter-gatherer society the calories brought in by the gatherers was significant, but the really valuable protein and fats was gathered by the hunters. This continues to this day, and the only reason it appears different is a) the nature of work has changed over this past century (before that, no woman in her right mind wanted men's jobs), and b) the pill made it possible for women to take up these easier (read 'office') positions, rather than spend their best reproductive years either pregnant or looking after children.
As for these survival situations, this was not the norm. In an ancestral society, the way to survive, find food, avoid dangers, was learned from childhood. Facing unknown dangers, not being able to recognise food, this was what happened in moving to new territory. How often was an advance exploring party of women used to discover new territory? Quite possibly never, they were far too valuable to waste on an inherently dangerous venture.
This is not a criticism of women, actually, it only seems to be if people want to insist there is no difference between men and women.
As for invading male spaces, I think that is mostly projection. Women hated the idea of men's clubs, for example, because they were convinced that the men were plotting to help each other at the expense of women. They thought that because that is what women would do - and in fact were doing. This is because women have a very strong own-sex bias (whereas men do not).
Luckyluke23 10y ago
great post man with great insight
[deleted] 10y ago
Good read.
Speaking of women invading male only spaces, the female mod of /askmen always fucking derails the conversation when she decides to chime in.
So on the offchance there's an interesting thread/question posed, hers is the top voted reply, including all the lapdogs/sycophants that end up responding to her with their inside jokes and general offtopic bullshit.
She tries so hard to be one of the "cool girls" in every comment she makes.
It's like her pussy redditor boyfriend isn't giving her enough attention, so the whole AskMen subreddit is there for the validation taking.
Of course, it's not like there's much to be gained from that den of beta chumps, but come the fuck on, it's called "AskMen"!
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meet_me_at_high_noon 10y ago
There's a female mod for r/askmen? Holy fucking shit.
VetoSnowbound 10y ago
Could you link to one of her comments? I don't know which one of the mods it is since I rarely visit the sub, but your comment got me interested.
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If your dog digs a hole in your garden, you can't get get mad at a dog for being a dog. Just like when women clamour for attention and make everything about them, you can't get mad at a woman for being a woman.
Yes it can be frustrating, but it's their nature. Unless she's your girlfriend or a girl close in your friendship circles you cannot control her attention seeking, narcissistic behaviours.
The point of my post was to add a little perspective and help get guys out of the 'Anger Phase™'. Yes girls can be attention seeking, solopsistic and demanding - but there's no point getting upset about something you have no control over. Just understand that women live an existence where they rely on men for everything; men can go their own way as they have the means and biological build for it, women don't.
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Stoic philosophy says this as well. Marcus Aurelius says something like you don't get "mad at a fig tree for producing fig juice" or something of that nature.
It is true.
j0hnan0n 10y ago
I'd always heard this as 'you can't trust a dog not to eat a steak you leave out; you can trust the dog to be a dog.' as an analogy to women being women. But I've realized that yes, you can, in fact, trust a dog not to eat a steak...assuming you've trained it properly and it understands you're the alpha of the house.
So now if certain women are behaving uncooperatively, I point out that they're being antisocial and wonder aloud if it'd be easier to train a dog to obey commands.
This rarely fails to make an impression. Very few women appreciate being compared unfavorably to a puppy.
copralalic 10y ago
Very true. Beige Phillip has basically said that they get a lot of mail every time they compare women to dogs. It seems that the poor pups get highly offended when they're told that they're no better than a bunch of whiny, entitled, narcissistic human twats.
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
SRS fempire has an SRSWomen and SRSMen. No men are allowed into SRSWomen because vagina and safe spaces. Women infest SRSMen to the point it should just be SRSWomenBitchingAboutMen
Luckyluke23 10y ago
you know reddit is run by feminazis, i'm surprised the red pill has lasted this long to be honest.
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
Oh we're neutered in ways that the other side isn't. No direct links to reddit posts because brigades are evil? Not a problem with SRS (darlings of the admins)!
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I'd say that particular bit of neutering actually works as a strength. Lack of reddit linking keeps away many valueless posts and toxic discussions.
Yet again, RP men thrive in tough conditions where the women of SRS would just wither.
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The truly successful thrive off of challenges and adversity. The meek and helpless cower before them.
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Same thing for redpillwomen though. It's mainly men.
scallopkid 10y ago
What are you talking about?
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95wave 10y ago
no girls allowed in here mate, they're gross
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RedBigMan 10y ago
Because men make money by being chefs.
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MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
The worst impact of women invading male spaces is that they want to change the rules to suit them.
Not equality... oh no.... but female-defined rules. Because the male-defined rules must be wrong.
Male commercial enterprises are often based around a meritocracy - do well and get rewarded appropriately. This suits men and is effective. But women do not like this and try and change the rules.
One big geek company recently utterly kowtowed to this. Eliminating their non-sexist but meritocracy based culture in favour of some sort of female-friendly non-competitive thing. Can someone remind me which company this was? They've probably gone bust by now.
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it always shocks me how women say "oh they hire men over women because they don't like women in businesses!"
Like, you know their goal is to make fucking money. They don't give a fuck, it's based on merit. You think they really want to lose money to promote some shit like that? Maybe you didn't get the job because you're not a good worker and you show no initiative.
[deleted] 10y ago
You talking about reddit bro?
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
I think it was github.
Here's a typical anti-meritocracy rant: http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/29/questioning-the-merit-of-meritocracy/
The theme goes like: meritocracy is ok, but in reality you have to also shout about it, and shouting about it is male, and women can't shout about it because they are raised not to.
In other words:
Or to summarise further: but but but but patriarchy
[deleted] 10y ago
Yeah, I am aware of GitHub controversy, but I thought you were referring to recent news from Reddit CEO about banning salary negotiations because women are bad at the art of negotiation.
ThrowingMyslfOutther 9y ago
Wow, I know this is an old post, but thanks, I hadn't read that.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
yeah, read that too. dumb as fuck if you ask me.
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Fantastic post. And this compliment isn't coming from a "hahaha, women suck ass at life!" perspective, but rather from the fact that posts like these are deepening my understanding as to why women act the way that they do.
Stopher 10y ago
While I'm not saying you're wrong I'm not going to judge average woman survival ability in a bunch of chicks who get picked for a reality show.
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They really are average women though, as are the men on the male show. You would agree. This is not an American reality TV show it's a British one, there is usually a big difference!
defenastrator 10y ago
That's my criticism. There is a massive selection bias here. Reality TV selects for physically desirable.
Males who classify in this group are largely outdoor/sporty who are going to be better in a survival environment. Muscle tone on men is sexy.
For women larger breasts, (a survival disadvantage) fashionable, (requires a lot of time dedicated to knowing facts utterly useless in other situations) and generally pay heavy attention to their appearance (sunbathing, be thin but not much muscle etc.)
Get some female competitive gymnasts/cheerleaders, military cadets, swimmers, etc., the story would be quite different.
Likewise if you put a bunch male history buffs, video gamers and accountants. The men would do equally as bad.
But I also of the opinion that if we swapped girls dolls with erector sets we would have far fewer useless women so this may not be the right audience.
brgie 10y ago
Agree. Let's not forget this is so-called 'reality'-TV and not a scientific experiment.
gpyh 10y ago
In average I believe women would do slightly worse but I agree with the selection bias.
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I really want to watch some woman in the wilderness batching about her period and being moody. That sounds like an awesome TV show to me! /s
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
PENIS ENVY, plain and simple.
Most girls are proud of who they are. But there's always that subset who hate who and what they are and are trying to be something different.
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RXRob 10y ago
I watched episode 1 of Bear's new show last night, so I've saved this post to avoid spoilers.
However, I feel confident that I can predict how the women's island is going to work out.