We've heard the same story repeatedly: the woman who was sexually ferocious in her youth but is extremely conservative in her marriage. The woman who was into gangbangs and orgies in her "experimental" days but now refuses to give her husband a blow job.
/u/Rollo-Tomassi's original post on the subject is the gold standard in terms of analysis:
http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/
...and yet, however many times you've heard the story, it still bears repeating, because of the millions of husbands who suffer through this situation for their entire married lives.
The latest episode is from the /r/deadbedrooms subreddit titled "Thinking we are done, four weeks to our wedding".
It starts out with a man in a once-every-two-months dead bedroom. One day he goes to an alcohol-fueled industry trade show related to his fiancée's work. He wanders off on his own and strikes up a conversation with a random guy:
Anyway, we got onto exes. I admit, I don't have many. Well I have one, but that was a long time ago. So he was doing most of the talking. Alcohol, loose lips, etc. Anyway, my fiance is off in the distance and I was about to mention her. But just then he mentioned her instead even pointing her out sort of slyly.
He said she was one of his exes, but more like a friends with very good benefits. I don't know why, I just decided to let him talk. He referred to her as "the dirtiest woman ever" and how when she first met him, within ten minutes she was leading him around the club they were in trying to find a second guy to have a threesome with. Then another time she had him round for a booty call and she was apparently very into toys. Apparently she had done most of his friends too and they would often talk about her. But he was laughing all the way through this, just sort of guy talk. Not in a mocking way, he was just letting the alcohol run his mouth.
This didn't click with me at all. My fiance? Threesome? Toys? No way. She barely moves during sex and most certainly does not give me blow jobs or even hand jobs nowadays. She told me she finds blow jobs degrading and one time I suggested buying her a sex toy she told me only sad women use those. Who is this guy talking about that can "suck dick like a champ" and all this sort of thing. Yes, I remember the words he used.
How did he know that this guy was telling the truth?
But he said something that made some uncomfortable listening. I just plain didn't believe him. But what he said was that he knew of a specific tattoo that really unless you had seen her naked, you wouldn't know about. I've had a scaffolding pole fall and break my rib once... this conversation hurt more.
Eventually, the trickle-truth comes out, and her response is so typical that it could be computer-generated.
It took a couple of very tense days for her to finally tell me everything and I doubt I heard everything. But she was "wild" in her college days, she was "trying things out, getting to know herself" and that it's past her and she isn't some sort of slut and it was bad of me to ask about this. My fiance admitted to sleeping with around 20 guys during her "wild" years and let slip one or two things I didn't know about. I never really asked her for her "number" but given what I know, I think 20 may be an under estimate. I think when she admitted to an entirely different foursome with this guy I realized that the threesome I'd heard about wasn't an isolated incident.
The poor guy stays with her to see if things will eventually get kinkier, but they don't:
I even brought up the subject of sexy fantasies once. I tried being low key, saying that I found stockings hot, that I liked her in red lingerie. In truth I have never seen her in stockings or lingerie of any kind. Anything I said just seemed to be met with "I'm not a whore, stop treating me like one."
If this is a fake story, it is a good fake because it fits the AFBB reality so well:
- Couple has a dead bedroom and yet the man stays out of obligation/commitment.
- Man finds out about her secret wild past.
- Woman denies it, then the truth eventually trickles out.
- Says she was experimenting when she was young but that is in her past and she's not a slut now.
- Shames the man for shaming her about her past.
- Woman still isn't motivated to have sex because you can't negotiate desire.
Rollo says it best:
One of the reasons I, and most of the manosphere, receive so much scorn from plugged-in, feminine primary society is that we risk to expose this process. This author’s story is the inconvenient truth of a pluralistic feminine sexual strategy.
And:
Her genuine desire, her sexual best was never intended for him in the first place.
Edit: a helpful Redditor said that OP posted the following update:
Thank you for all the comments. Just to say, sorry this ended up on the red pill. I never really looked at it until a whole bunch of you messaged me with it but I really do not identify with what is written there. So thank you for pointing me there but I don't need it.
I told her last night about 20 minutes after writing all this that I don't think I can go through with the wedding. We had a big talk and although initially she just resorted to her making me feel guilty for needing to be sexual with her, she told me a lot of things that really made no difference.
I suggested again that maybe she was guilty about her sexual past and if she wanted to reign in the kink then that isn't a problem. But eliminating sex entirely is just a complete deal break and not one I am willing to put up with any longer. She denied this vehemently. Though she got insulting I think it was just her defense mechanism.
We slept on it, I went to my parents. She sent me a mail saying that I can either call off the wedding or come back and we would fuck. I came back after a lot of hesitation. I think I was psyching myself up.
In the end, we ended up just talking again and mutually agreed that we are just not right for each other. She pretty much said that she never wanted me to think of her as a slag which I never have done. She also regretted being so experimental but ultimately she also wants to do more experimenting. Because she got into her head that I am a stable nice guy, she doesn't want to do anything kinky with me because it would make me think less of her. I don't know how she rationalised it, she basically said that because I am keeping the household together and paying the bills, she didn't feel like she was able to get kinky with me. This pretty much made me angry but I didn't let on.
I guess all that's left now is separating. Thank you all for your comments, even the ones who tried to say I was being false. I can assure you I am not being false and this is pretty much uncharted territory for me.
ErnaForPresident 10y ago
I feel like I swallow another red pill everytime i hear these kind of stories
Blood_Red_Phoenix 10y ago
Agreed, this sub is my weekly medicine
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Burns on the way down like some cheap ass vodka.
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Dragontitz 10y ago
I heard these stories so many times in the based 2 years. This should be studied by scientist or something
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riverraider69 10y ago
Science is very much pro red pill. Sure, you'll find the occasional feminist study, but anybody can publish a study. It matters that it's peer reviewed and cited. And those tend to support (and expand on) what we talk about here.
Sure, they won't have the same language and when written about in mainstream press there will be plenty of weasel words to appease the feminists, but the content is there and it's good.
Jack_Wellington 10y ago
yeah this story is a hard one to accept but it's the god damned truth.
we live in a nation of sluts and pimps, dollars and blood. humans are still animals with clothes on. nothing more and fuck the new age yoga bullshit, these sluts are even more kinky.
JetteAuLoinTRP 10y ago
You guys in the United States seem to have a really hard time with your chicks... Although i walk around my european country with the default mindset of AWALT (and getting proven that they actually are like that on a regular bases), I still believe our chicks are a lot less wild in their wild years than yours. Might be the chicks I frame, though.
johnnight 10y ago
Look, there are some men would be glad to marry a former slut, who stays a nympho for them. Not gonna judge.
The problem is false advertising. It's a con. You are promised to get one thing, but you pay outrageous money to get a shitty or empty product. There is literally no other commercial good to spend as much money on as a wife. Nothing else.
And men are making the stupidest decisions about the number one cost item. The whole culture is set up to make men make stupid decisions. It's like 'they' know, but they keep up the necessary lies for society to go on (not even function, just go on).
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What is the "new age yoga bullshit"?? Is this some new movement I don't know about that claims modern women are chaste beings? Google yielded no relevant results...
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beerthroway 10y ago
I believe he's referencing the following of yoga as a trend rather than actually about improvement and meditative benefits. You know, the girls that put on makeup and yoga pants and don't really try that hard.
Also, the mindset of "chakra energy" and "oneness" of those girls and the way they portray their spirituality. It's almost fake, in a sense.
It's not a chip against yoga, it's a chip against the girls that are posers.
Willyam2010 10y ago
"As a trend"... you mean... like anything women do?
Internet is a blessing, when you've seen 2000 girls who like to travel, hug a lion or an african child, and make a duck face with a moustache drawn on her finger, you realise how empty the average broad is.
SplashArtist 10y ago
It's fucking stupid thats what it is. Coming from an ex-spiritual seeker here. OMG like totally oneness and starbucks right? Like crystals and god consciousness right? Yoga is boss to calm the mind and relieve tension in the body though no doubt. Just all the esoteric nonsense ticks me off. True spirituality in a sense is the relaxation of body/mind. Relaxation (non-reactivity) is the opposite of fear. Becoming like water in anything you do is the real practice. Thats the heart of zen.
xdrunkagainx 10y ago
When they go into that chakra bullshit I just think about how far I've come in life and put all my focus on the willpower it takes to accomplish my goals, then focus on how far it will take me.
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beerthroway 10y ago
I figured by your username that you were serious about it. I've never done hot yoga. Considering how much I suck at room temperature yoga, I'm sure I'd crash hard. But I do love me a sauna...
Iramohs 10y ago
You mean the girls that practice yoga to "empower" themselves?
aktpq 10y ago
This story and stories like it are so abhorrent that I actually loose my ability to look away from sheer shock. It's like seeing the aftermath of a car accident whilst internally processing that in the real world that could be you. My personal fascination, I believe, is one of the most common, where you were in a long term LTR and you consciously witnessed the long term sexual decline and unknowingly experienced the fact that sexual attraction is non-negotiable. You can't "re-spark" the flame when the relationships is spiralling the drain, all you can do is be consciously making sure you don't become a victim of something as grotesque as the worst case scenario in this particular genre of male horror stories.
Purecorrupt 10y ago
This almost seems like a repost I feel like I read it before.
_the_shape_ 10y ago
Anyone here ever been on both sides of the AA/BB fence with the same girl? That was the story with my ex, and talk about pain..
I had her first as a FWB - completely unabashed, uninhibited, "just finding myself (sexually)". Every conversation, every text concluded with or revolved around sex. The girl was my own little fvck toy, willing to do and try anything with me. At one point she even called me a "sex god", and constantly expressed fear at not being able to live up to my standards.
She slowly faded away when, after a full year, it seemed quite apparent that I wasn't going to commit to her (I succesfully redirected every "talk" back to our original agreement of being FWB only). Oneitis started to gradually bubble up together with a massive drought in women, and I started to pine over her. Just over a year after our split, I reached back out to her, and presented an offer to be "her boyfriend", to finally give her what she claimed she always wanted when we were screwing each others brains out - enter bb. I thought everything would go right back to normal, right back to where we left off. I never imagined that it would turn into an attempt to raise a corpse from the dead.
It seems all so incredibly clear now, looking back, why we'd only have sex once a week, why now she claimed (to me) that her days of "three dates and then sex are over", why any attempt on my end to sext her was consistently met with silence, why she would squirm when I'd go down on her when originally she'd aggressively push me onto my back and proceed to sit on my face, why I could feel that she had her eyes on other men, other alpha men, and ultimately, why she dumped me.
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We focus on AF/BB her as if women evaluate men and place them in one category or the other. OP's tale related this story. Get of CC, get BB.
As frequent is a woman's attempt to get an Alpha guy, and by a process of slowing taking ground and erosion make him her beta.
Take me. I met my future ex-wife right after I got back from Iraq. I was a reservist in the Marines. I was swole as fuck, I was her manager, I was talking college classes, doing a decent job getting laid outside of relationships. And then slowly, over years I became somebody I wouldnt fuck. I put on 50lbs, gave up the gym membership when we got pregnant, let her isolate me from my family and friends.
After a year of getting back in shape and regaining ground in the relationship I realized that I had let it go to far. There was no way she was going to see me as Alpha again because I had gone so beta. Even while every beta thing was at her request. Between her chorus of "you go girl/You dont need him" friends, plus all the attention she gets as a mid 20 y/o from guys, she isnt going to change. Not for me.
I realized I had to nuke the relationship and get a divorce.
notmyusualreddit 10y ago
Every gf Ive ever had and then lost or left (sometimes you move on when you see them acting worse; you just beat them to the punch) has always been over slipping from af to bb.
Kill_Your_Ego 10y ago
If a woman can unchain her sexual strategy to the dualistic one of AF/BB then she will. This basically means today that marriage to anyone other then a virgin is a big risk. Or any woman that doesn't view marriage as the place to experiment sexually. Because if she doesn't view marriage that way then she views everywhere else as the place to experiment. You can just assume that she views marriage as the place to get her bucks.
If you are going to get married look for a woman who has her chastity. Period. This is yet another reason why marrying up a slut is such a terrible idea. She's so much more likely to cheat and she won't even view you as a sexual object. She will lust after her imaginations and since everywhere except marriage is where she indulges in her sexual fantasies the moment you marry her those fantasies are now going to be experienced with other men.
Here's a good quote from Rollo:
http://therationalmale.com/2015/03/31/wives-lovers/
"I’ve argued the position that women (of today) don’t find the ‘good guy‘ – a man attempting to embody the best aspects of Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks – a believable role. My assertion is that women expect and desire those aspects in different men at different times as needed, however, the social narrative still places that “best of both aspects” burden on a man who does commit to a woman in the long term."
I think this part of this post is also very important.
http://therationalmale.com/2015/04/07/admiration-respect/
"Women’s imagination is one of the best tools in a man’s Game toolbox, but this is so because Hypergamous doubt is also Hypergamous prospect. The same Hypergamy that predisposes a woman to opportunistic sexual strategy also drives her imaginings about its potential fulfillment by unfamiliar men. It’s far easier for a woman to imagine she should admire a man she doesn’t know than for her to appreciate a man she’s already intimately familiar with anything close to that same admiration."
Once you are living with a girl and she is around you on a consistent basis her fantasy hamster can no longer fill in the blanks of your life with the secret crime fighting billionaire of her dreams. It's what women are trying to hint at with the "hot girls don't go poop" meme that briefly floated around.
I am not sure how to combat a woman's fantasy hamster in an LTR where you cohabit. If you continue to work on your life and continue to improve (and never stop) this will help. Especially if you never ever talk about or mention the hard work you do to achieve new goals. Even if she is around while you do it I've seen that women tend to ignore you while you do hard work and then fantasy hamster in awesome explanations.
A woman's fantasy hamster is also dangerous to her because when she goes to branch swing often the new branch is not as shiny a toy as she believed. Women seem to drop that branch and go carouseling often at that point. It's like they have to keep feeding that fantasy hamster.
Once a woman is on the CC they start to suffer from overchoice and their fantasy hamsters go into overload. Take full advantage of this when you are using online dating of any form. Do not describe your life in anything but the vaguest details and just act confident as fuck and that you are above her. The usual. The more a woman knows about you the less her fantasy hamster can fill in. And reality is always worse then her fantasy.
Unless you are secretly the richest man in the world, own ten castles, are shredded under your clothes, fight crime as a masked crusader, and the President calls you for advice at night. Because that's the kind of fantasy these women experience with all kinds of men they are fucking.
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RedPillScare 10y ago
You fight the fantasy hamster with dread game.
1independentmale 10y ago
Yep, only the other way around. I was a beta bitch when I married my wife. She was a "good girl" who didn't do "those things" but I didn't care, I was just so happy to have any sort of female attention. She didn't suck dick and didn't like me eating her out, said it was dirty. A year after we married she got into religion and turned even more prude than she already was.
I stuck it out because I thought I loved her and we had a kid by this point. Sex was missionary with the lights off a couple times a month if I was lucky. No adventure, no toys, she wouldn't do shit. Sometimes I went months without sex. I remember more than one six to nine month drought. She talked about divorcing me a lot, especially when she didn't get her way.
Ten years into the marriage, I started making more money, which gave me more confidence. By year 12 I was working out for the first time in my life. I changed my hair style. Got LASIK. Bought some nice clothes. I'd also given up on my marriage by this point and was doing whatever the fuck I wanted. I started getting more attention from women. Lots of compliments.
By year 14 I was done with my wife and wanted her gone. I had all kinds of other options. I was in my thirties, partying with 19 to 23 year old girls every weekend and some of them were offering sex. It was at this time that my wife gave me my first blow job. Without knowing what I was doing, I had been inadvertently applying heavy dread. She knew her time with me was about up and she turned into the nastiest little cock gobbling slut I'd ever met. I got more sex in the last year of our marriage than the first 14 combined. Whenever I wanted, however I wanted it, that bitch was down to fuck. It almost worked... I almost kept her.
I divorced her at year 15. Quite frankly her change in behavior pissed me the fuck off. She gave great head, so she clearly had plenty of practice. I was angry that she was so capable of being the nasty little freak I'd always wanted and always asked her to be. All those years I sacrificed for her and treated her like a goddamn princess and she didn't do shit for me until I was on my way out? Fuck that. 15 years of my life wasted on that bitch. My entire twenties and part of my teens and early thirties. It's easy to blame her, but it was my fault for putting up with it. Unfortunately I was raised to be "good husband material" by a strong career mother and beta father.
So I was the BB who became the AF. Bitch should have treated beta-me better, she's missing out now.
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I'm in this club too. It's not your fault you know. It's like owning a piece of equipment that isn't working right, has never actually worked right, only gotten worse over the years. You keep referring to the service manual to fix it, and then one day somebody tells you, "you know, that service manual is all wrong, you need to do the opposite of what it says".
At the very least, red pill gives guys the truth. Which is everything.
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Every time I think I've swallowed the pill I get another metaphorical punch to the stomach. At least I can feel and recognise the truth instead of being ignorant and blue pill. One must learn from these stories in order to avoid a similar fate.
TheReasoner94 10y ago
I feel exactly the same, but with more knowledge comes more power and you can use this knowledge to your benefit. Those blue pillers will end up heartbroken, because it will be us who their girlfriends and wives will be fucking. ;)
illisit 10y ago
Typical slut, running around with dindus even. I hope he's not stupid enough to try make it work with this girl.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
Guys learn from this. Don't ever settle for a woman who doesn't suck your dick. If she finds it degrading just say you find not getting them even more degrading and next her.
As a matter of fact fuck your girl while you're stuffing her head in the toilet; and finish by pissing in her mouth with her head above the bowl. If your girl wasn't a slut when you first met her, she sure as hell will be after you're done.
Don't be the sappy sucker that puts the girl on the pedestal, chances are some other guy probably did the same thing to her or even worse. There is literally no way for you to ever know if some guy pissed in your girls mouth or not. No girl with half a brain would admit something like that to her partner.
This isn't some misogynistic rant on how to humiliate women. I love and respect the girls I'm with and I treat them amazing, but I don't want to be with miss pottymouth unless I had a go too.
lIlIIIlll 10y ago
That first part they should teach in sex ed 101.
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It kills me when I hear guys tell me their girlfriends don't like to or "don't like to swallow". And they hamster away....
[deleted] 10y ago
That has to hurt. Talk about a self esteem killer.
redpillbanana 10y ago
He gives a good description of the pain:
FullRegalia 10y ago
Rips the heart out, Indiana Jones style
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Kalee-ma! Kalee-mai!
Haha I had to....
god10 10y ago
Do you let weeds grow or do you yank them out?
Do you get pissed at a hammer for falling on your fucking foot?
Is it worth holding on to the pain caused by the hammer falling on your fucking foot or to let it out of your nervous system as gracefully and expediently as humanly possible?
You are allowed to develop clarity, character, and confidence. You are allowed to take charge of your life. Many of you may have woken up because a fucking hammer fucking somewhere dropped on your fucking foot. What are you going to do about it? BUT LIFE IS HARD. MEN HAVE A HARD JOB. WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR IN OUR INTENTIONS AND OUR ACTIONS AND BE THE BEST VERSION OF OURSELVES POSSIBLE.
And you think that's a PUNISHMENT?
Femininity sharpens masculinity and masculinity softens femininity. Adversity forges brilliance. LEARN ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON, in the broadest sense possible, because it is only your understanding of the world that will ever matter to you and make a difference to others.
A hammer dropped on your foot. Hammers are hammers. Girls are girls. People are people.
Don't blame your sisters, don't blame the fucking hammer.
Don't blame the world, don't blame yourself.
Hone into yourself. Feel yourself. Develop yourself. Think the thoughts that you want to think! Do the actions that you want to do. Feel the way that you want to feel. You are ALLOWED.
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occupythekitchen 10y ago
That is true, every time i see a man complaining about physical pain I get a little upset at them. Every time i see a man complain it annoys me, much more so than a woman and even that is plenty annoying. Oh you don't know how much my back hurts, hear listen to this "Pop shoulders out of joint" yeah I've dislocated both of my shoulder and sometimes if I hit them wrong the pain is as intense as the day I dislocated it. Got into a fight and some wanna be ju-jitsu master pushed and kicked my knee tore a ligament and I still beat his ass but when I go to the beach I have to lower myself so I don't get any waves hitting me on my right knee because it's still sore.
Pain makes you feel alive, you need to learn to like and love it at least the ones you can't change but the ones you can you must learn to love getting rid of it. Emotional pain is being prisoner of your own self, holding the key to get out but too afraid of using it. You need to man up open that door and find a reason to be smile again.
phrase_bot 10y ago
Hone in? I think you meant: 'home in.'
occupythekitchen 10y ago
hone in? home in? I think you both are trying to say horn in
FattestRabbit 10y ago
My god, does this shit really happen? I thought I was past having emotional reactions to posts like this, but god damn does this hit hard. I hope this guy bails.
TheReasoner94 10y ago
LOL I nearly spat my drink out when I read that, surely you would realise what a skanky ho you're dealing with. I don't mind running a train on a whore with another guy but fuck me I'd make sure the bitch never contacts me ever again afterwards, i'm done.
TheReasoner94 10y ago
Also if I was in that situation i'd tell the slut that we're finding another girl not another guy, that slut isn't dictating shit i'll get what I want and if not i'll move onto the next ho.
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It's sad to think that a significant proportion of our 100,000 strong membership, over the course of the next few hours, will internally root for a guy we never met in the hope that he escapes his future inevitable hell and slavery. The sad thing is that if we raise our heads above water they will instantly be chopped and censored by the propaganda machine. At times like this I wonder the rhetorical question- why did we let it get this bad.
RP15 10y ago
You would be surprised at how positively Red Pill concepts are received - just DO NOT mention TRP by name or use TRP terminology.
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lol this is so fucking silly though. you're 100% right, I do it all day. Spout red pill tenants from my mouth and get 200+ plus upvotes, but actually say red pill, which obviously I know not to, and get downvoted to hell.
It's like blind ignorant hate. Those fucking morons should be ashamed of hating something without understanding it.
George_l_rockwell 10y ago
As a young guy who has been to clubs, I've definitely seen this happen first hand to me and my friends. My friends and I make a really good trio, and anytime we go out to a place like a club, we almost always manage to get a girl and her friends back to our place. Occasionally, some girls there are so slutty that they'll text/call us the following weekend begging to get gang banged by us. It's disgusting, but it's not like we can say no.
TheReasoner94 10y ago
Those are the types of chicks that end up with a ring on their finger from some beta provider, their inner slut then yearns for the days Tom and Dave filled both holes and degraded her like a worthless slut or that bukkake party where 10 guys jerked on the bitches face. I feel bad for these betas but that's the way it is, women are sluts and not worth commitment, it's a shame they're too beta to realise that.
SkorchZang 10y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxIQhwRVXLQ
"This is a video about a modern german philosopher called Toni, who lives in "Offenbach" and tells us the truth about life and how to handle women."
Incredibly moving thing to watch and weep if you haven't popped the red pill yet. Better than puppies.
Kyuzo_ 10y ago
This should be on the sidebar
Cmon_Just_The_Tip 10y ago
Fuck that was an epic rant 10/10
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WallyHotvedt 10y ago
holy fuck, kid is on fire spitting truths. That is some church. Sidebar +1
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zxsteven 10y ago
I'm getting high blood pressure. Hahahahahaha.
exit_sandman 10y ago
That guy is hilarious, watched the video the first time when I started slowly getting off the bluepill and realized that there is indeed some very basic and dirty part of female sexuality that gets never talked about.
Also a bonus for native speakers, his dialect is hilarious. The translation is a bit off, though - "fotzen" doesn't translate to "bitches", but to "cunts", and it's also roughly as disparaging as the English term.
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Haha, I learned his speech by heart almost completely and used it during a mic soundcheck at our Berufsschule when no teachers where around. At least that's what I thought. Lol.
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TheReasoner94 10y ago
That's the best way to do it, once you've ran train on a ho she's used goods, never ever go back for seconds with hoes like that. Gangbang chicks are one and done chicks nothing more.
FattestRabbit 10y ago
Welp, time for me to go MGTOW.
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FattestRabbit 10y ago
Yeah, I know. Reading this stuff and then looking at my plates, though... kind of rough.
the99percent1 10y ago
Anyone who's been with a slut wouldve known the biggest red flag is a girl with tattoo in an erogenous region..
It doesn't take much to put two and two together. Jeez there sure are some ignorant men out there.
A_ORiON_Man 10y ago
I can actually attest to this being true. I was 23 got married like a idiot on some stupid shot-gun marriage. We would always have sex, but it wasn't that I can't wait to tear your clothes off type of sex.
The burning desire to devourer one another was not there. Then we got married and didn't even have sex on our wedding night! NO SEX immediately, I couldn't believe it, she gave the I am too tired speech. I was shocked. Too make a long story short, I can honestly believe this too be true because the same basic premise happened to me. I am divorced now, so cheers.
1independentmale 10y ago
I got the exact same speech on my honeymoon. No sex at all. Infuriating.
redpillbanana 10y ago
Glad to hear you left her.
I always say that if she doesn't have sex with you on your wedding night then file an annulment immediately.
A_ORiON_Man 10y ago
Within six months we were divorced at the age of 24 her being 22. No joint finances, or anything she didn't even get too keep a shirt.
TheFriendWithin 10y ago
These stories, especially the first were genuinely painful to read.
Women today are so fucking terrible.
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phhhft. The redpil is the novel idea that women are people. People are terrible, people are inspiring. But we all just people, trying to make it
psycho-logical 10y ago
His wife isn't the villain in this story.
She'd choke on his cock til mascara poured down her face if he gave her tingles. That's on him.
TheReasoner94 10y ago
As painful as they can be to read they are also a huge relief, I have gained so much knowledge on women and how they behave to know never to commit to one. Imagine without the red pill a lot of us would have ended up marrying these sluts and ended up broke and heartbroken once her hypergamy set in and she got bored of sex with you. I'm staying AF, women today are whores it's impossible to find a loyal woman in this day and age.
SkorchZang 10y ago
We have to teach betas to stay content with a beta's lot. Either you're her Alpha Fuck, or you're her beta cashcow. Women need both, but it's soooo unfair that every creepy beta a woman eventually settles down with.. now expects she'll treat him like an apex alpha lover, or something! C'mon betas, get real.
His lot is to provide for her and her spawn, not to own her sexually. Because she's forever Chad's little slut even though she hasn't seen his tribal ass tattoos in a decade.
batfish55 10y ago
No idea where I read it but....
When a girl says, "Oh, I fucked around a lot back in the day. Threeways, anal, road head, crazy shit, but I don't do that anymore. Now I'm a good girl."
Is just like a guy saying, "Oh, I did a lot back in the day. I'd travel extensively, fly to England on a whim, go to Paris for lunch, then come home and drive my Ferrari up the coast to stay at a luxury hotel for a week. But I don't do that now. Now I like to sit on the couch all weekend and watch Netflix."
I hope to god I get to tell a chick this one day.
But mostly....why would the guy be angry this made it here? All it's doing is confirming EVERYTHING we say here.
PlanB_pedofile 10y ago
He says he doesn't need the redpill but ends up swallowing it anyways. He made a good move to call off the wedding.
Sex within a relationship is what makes the relationship strong and balanced. It's that connection that serves as a nice icing. When the balance becomes more one sided this is where trouble comes. A woman needs to be attracted to her partner to put out. If she's not putting out it's because she finds you unattractive. If unattractive then why is she with you? Alterior motive... A man doesn't want to be used just for money.
MrRexels 10y ago
''Just to say, sorry this ended up on the red pill''
He deserved to get cucked with that attitude.
Relentlessmind 10y ago
Just a fair warning... I frequent 4chan as it is just a habit to drop by there since I have used the site for years. I don't have screenshots but in the past several months I have seen a large number of posters mentioning that they frequently troll reddit with shitty relationship and slut stories so that they can troll R9k (the forever alone board) with links to the stories later. One even mentioned he made up one of these types of "my wife is a whore but won't fuck me beyond missionary" stories the day it was highly linked here. I'm not saying things like this never happen and they are great reminders NEVER to let yourself be someone's BB, but be wary. If a story fits our narrative this well and if it seems like something we've heard a million times before, it's because these trollers are not original, it's highly possible you're being trolled by some of these.
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Although stories like this do sort of touch on RP stuff, the whole "went to a work conference where guy randomly points out my fiancee who he doesn't know is my fiancee and immediately begins telling me what a filthy ho she is oh and btw she had a birthmark/tattoo whatever that this guy happened to mention for some bizarre reason so I know he's telling the truth" has been repeated almost verbatim on various subs over the last few years.
The fact he goes out of his way to mention the guy is black makes me think its just some cuckold fetish dude who gets off on writing this stuff.
I mean, theres a >0 chance it's legit, but I write off most of these as made up stories and sometimes it makes me cringe in this sub when people assume they're legit and get fired up.
redpillbanana 10y ago
The story did seem to fit RP theory quite perfectly. Then again, life often seems to fit RP theory quite perfectly.
Even if it is a fake, it is a good parable.
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Even if they are made up these women still exist. Maybe there are more with less extreme stories. I'd say many women do experiment in college and sleep with a lot of men.
Sure there are many who don't and have committed relationships throughout their college years but most of those women get married and that's where it's sink or swim. Look at the marriage to divorce numbers and you still see much RP truth.
AWALT and many men are still plugged in and treat them like princesses and are disrespected and treated like crap because of that. It's rare that you find a women who will mutually treat you with the respect you give her.
It takes some serious dread game and personal success/power on your part to have her treat you this way. But there aren't too many guys out there with this type of power. Due to feminism women expect their man to be this way. Only so many men can be this desirable. It sounds fucked up but it's truth.
That's why RP exists. So men can evolve and become stronger and have less tolerance for bs. Which will in time require women to evolve and to look at their behavior as something that needs to change. It's just humanity continuing to evolve as it should.
exit_sandman 10y ago
I think most of these stories who fit RP theory too well are made-up. Not all women are sluts, and not all sluts have had gangbangs during their younger days (most just slept around with loads of dudes). The whole narrative (girl lets bad boys run trains on her at 20 and locks down a boring but stable dude at 30 who then gets monthly starfish sex) is a bit too extreme to play out in its purest form on such a regular basis.
cariboo_j 10y ago
True. I know some girls that are sluts, cheat on their boyfriends and have gang bangs and shit but they are the minority. I usually see the AFBB and manipulation dynamic play out in more subtle ways
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Reading this makes me want to work legs.
GainzdalfTheWhey 10y ago
This is one the most important and sad posts I've seen here in this sub, I felt real emotions for that guy, what a disgraceful situation. The fact that women can fake being something for the rest of their life, hide the past like its not important, is something people should wake up to.
Hell_Brake 10y ago
Yet, he is a sucker and she is treating him like one. He isn't allowed to enjoy sex with her - because she does not desire him, for anything other than money.
Of course, if he runs to the courts to ditch her, HE is the bad guy for expecting his wife to treat him like she treated the many men before her.
Sickening.
Trixxle-f 10y ago
The emotions during that Converstion... One of the darkest. Makes the red pill seem like the only option. Iv seen wild animals with more empathy.
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ZackCross 10y ago
If I were this guy I would spit on her face and file for divorce.
What a worthless fucking whore, sleeping around like a fucking slut and then denies her own goddam husband any of the things she freely gave to strangers. These types of bitches need to be slutshamed until they turn lesbian
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Comments are pretty straight, except for the ones claiming somebody red pill dropped it and its fake.
What would be the point?
balalasaurus 10y ago
They get off on pointing at us for puncturing their reality. Something that doesn't fit their BP narrative is immediately labelled as RP propaganda so that they and other people stay plugged in. Fact is there's no point even trying to argue against them. Hamsters gonna hamst. There's just no point.
RosewoodPill 10y ago
At this point I don't know whether to laugh or cry. And I swallowed the pill 15 years ago.
redsfan277 10y ago
Honest question....do you believe its best to get a girl young before she has been corrupted?
And i dont mean underage....just like 18-20...problem is that these girls are already having tons of sex before that..but still what do you guys think?
I had a friend who was from Africa and he always said "Get them while they are young! They will fall in love with you easier."
Lol maybe there is some truth to that
KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
You new here? Read the sidebar.
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Of COURSE it's better to get them young.
Idiot.
Cavsarge 10y ago
Was that a serious question?
redsfan277 10y ago
Not really just making an observation that I see nowadays..and what are other's opinion
thedude122487 10y ago
The part in that article where he says "She: Please don’t do this. Don’t throw away our marriage for what I did in college please," pissed me off more than anything. He wasn't throwing away their marriage because of what she did in college, she threw away their marriage by lying to him.
redpillbanana 10y ago
As Stephen Covey says, “You can't talk your way out of a problem you behaved your way into!”
She just doesn't get it.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
I don't think somebody would put that much effort and detail into a fake. Usually when they're "wall of text" long like that, there's some seriously hurt "man feelz" behind it. Typing the story out is cathartic for them.
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