tldr: Women in Germany could be legally forced to reveal to their husbands if their children are the product of an affair with another man if new legislation goes through.
The controversial measure will force women to divulge acts of adultery or infidelity during a relationship.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37215684
The measure would apply when men who had supported a child, believing that they were the father, sought financial redress in court.
Germany has already been taking similar male paternity rights steps recently. In April, Germany’s courts ruled that children cannot force men they suspect of being their biological fathers to undergo a DNA test. They can only oblige their legal fathers to undergo testing.
There wasnt much response on Twitter to this news. Most were positive including women. Though there were a few of these tweets, all from women:
@BBCWorld @BBCNews wow, if he already formed a long relationship w/the child.He basically adopted the child.Not fair2 the child to back out.
I suggest shorting any stocks you have in the Daytime Talk-Show industry.
summersss 7y ago
what will be a really game changer is when tests are so easy and cheap that one could use a phone like device to do it. But this law is a big step. It's one thing to cheat, that's personal shit.but tricking a man into raising another's child is seriously messed up.
getRedPill 7y ago
You are hoping too much for a law isn't that good as it sounds.
Still not a law. Must be approved first and that means it can be modified upon unrecognizable and giving a law completely different of what we reading here, or just not approved at all.
Law can't force anybody to divulge information about their past How they will force her to do so? Torture her by hiding all her make up? By forcing her to eat unsweetened Baskin Robin's? Come on. This sounds childish. A law can't force to do this, and if a law does so it's a shitty law, because you don't need (dont need) to know all her past to have justice.
If forced to revealed her past: RAPE! Think about it for a while, you have been reading RP for a while and you have grown wiser. If she's forced to reveal her infidelity she will claim RAPE. She will pass the burden to other man, either the Chad by claiming he raped her or the cucked beta by claiming he magically somehow made her do it. What a tyrant!^s
Nergaal 7y ago
"Studies differ on the number of children who grow up believing the wrong man is their biological father, with estimates varying from fewer than 2 per cent to as many as 10 per cent."
To me 10% seems a kinda low. I wonder how many kids know they are not raised by their biological father.
Also, I would not hold my hopes high for this to be passed through. Considering how cucked Germany is I am pretty sure it will be blocked somewhere along the path. Still, at least somebody is mentioning it.
JohnnyRaz 7y ago
I fear that Germany has already sealed their fate and no coup or any change will ever save them, Jews / Globalists have spent the last 60+ years transforming their men from this:
http://i63.tinypic.com/347u14l.jpg
to this:
http://i64.tinypic.com/3089m2o.jpg
German men (actually most white men) are not allowed to have a shred of pride or any form of identity. We cant even sneeze without being called racists. We have been beaten down and betafied to the point of no return. It will take a miracle to save us as this point. Every day I pray for some sort of violent takeover in Europe. People coming to their senses and throwing the fucking ropes up to hang all the poisonous leaders by the neck that are serving us up to the globalist agenda as we speak.
Rodear 7y ago
Not fair to the child to back out? wtf?! Usual 'think of the children' crap. I know why not put the shame instead on the bitches who deliberately let their husbands support and grow to love a child that was not his. NOT the same as a childless couple knowingly adopting a child at all. No man should ever be forced to support a child that is not his; if a man wishes to because he cannot help but love a child he thought was his -fair enough but NEVER forced by the state to do so.
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Now let's see if that applies when a dad wants to be in a child's life.
No, it doesn't? The wheel keeps spinning.
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TheReformist94 7y ago
These women are on the same moral plane as male rapist.this is the true female equivalent of rape.just remember,only 40% of men got to reproduce compared to 80% of women, which means 40% are rapists if they could pull it off not getting caught.let that sink in.
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
You are the stupid one, why do I say this ? The woman has an extremely weak hand so she is attempting a reframe. The reframe distracts from the fact she cheated to the welfare of the child, this then clouds the issue with emotions.
Not sure if it is true but a male lawyer posted on twitter the highest paid lawyers in USA are now women. It is plausible, a lawyer reframes an explanation why their client was caught doing something that appeared illegal. Women are masters at reframing.
TheDialecticParadox 7y ago
Don't know why you got downvoted to hell, this is basic biology. Men use logic and rhetoric to get what they want, women use emotions and manipulation.
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holy shit, this is really a tell how badly this subreddit has declined, when this comment gets downvoted.
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
Possibly I am being attacked by SJW downvoters again, it happened around 1.5 years back for a couple of months. I found a gist with a list of TRP names on it which looked like it was made to be fed into a bot.
What is interesting is even my comment where I cited the work of Lakoff was downvoted. Lakoff's exwife studied under Chomsky another linguistic expert. Lakoff advices fhe left on how to use emotion and reframing for the purposes of pushing a leftist agenda.
You read the enemies strategy books so you can learn what the enemy is upto and his tactics. Lakoff and Chomsky are experts.
Gettingaware 7y ago
no its cause you called him stupid, i bet you could have made the same post without that first sentence and it would have been taken very differently.
thats my take.
DannyDemotta 7y ago
Its downvoted because its unrelated slop. It has little or nothing to do with OPs post - which is to say a man should not be forced BY THE STATE to support a child that isnt his. You're on this pointless rant about how the woman did what she thought was right - which is inconsequential, because you never tie it back to why that means a man should have to pay up just because a woman was dishonest.
Then you have the nerve to call OP the stupid one when you're the one with shit reading comprehension.
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
Fun watching the BP hamster spin wildly.
Do you understand what the words "influence" and "reframing" mean ? Obviously not.
Statement shows you are BP. In RP there is no morality, only achieving objectives. She reframed her arguement which was a smart move.
DannyDemotta 7y ago
You sound like a Markov chain. You're quite literally arguing with yourself - nobody is disagreeing with your arguments, only their appropriateness to the discussion.
Rodear 7y ago
I honestly do not see how anything I have said is stupid. Shame the mother instead of father? Yep. Seems to be the correct thing to do. NOT be forced to support a child he later finds out is not his? Yep, seems reasonable. It is obviously in the best interests of the mother to cloud the issue with emotion: I am not stupid, I get that. All I am saying is that the emotional blackmail 'ball' of 'think of the child!' should be kicked back to the feet of the guilty party: the mother and any man who refuses to pay for a child that is not his should have full support of doing the correct thing. But, dream on, it won't happen I guess.
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
You are stupid because you are using logic to argue your point. Women inherently understand game which is taking a weak hand and using rhetoric to make it into a strong hand.
Don't I used to be stupid also.
Rodear 7y ago
Yeah, fair comment. Lol. No room for logic. I fully appreciate your comment about taking a weak hand and making it into a strong hand, I am totally and utterly aware that women have been doing this for absolutely years; hiding behind their children to get access to that which they want. The societal pressure for a man to take care of children that he later finds out is not his is strong, I mean society KNOWS it is wrong but does not give a damn about it-and that includes men themselves. Many men say 'oh well you did raise them to this point' Myself? I would not blame any guy who just said 'fuck it' and walked away. Maybe I am odd.
Overkillengine 7y ago
Nah, it's not weird at all. I only get pissed when men walk away from children that are actually theirs, because then they end up costing me via taxes-to-welfare money.
Fuck paying for someone else to get pussy. Where is my pussy welfare?
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
This is why MRA is getting their ass kicked. Women inherently know how to reframe arguements, by reframe I mean place in different contexts and appeal to emotion.
The Progressives are winning becauae they are better at reframing and have rhe best neurologistic experts working for them. The two best examples of this are
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff and his exwife who is editor of HuffPo.
Notice how Liberal has been renamed to Progressive. Liberal fron the 1960s has negative connotations, reframe it. Anyone who opposes you can be reframed as a backwards, ignorant redneck.
The puroose of logic is to justify the emotional impulses of the arguement.
Rodear 7y ago
Think there is a misunderstanding here, but I get what you are saying; to logical people-then my comments seem fair but the 'enemy' thinks differently and in order to play their game which obviously is getting the right results they want i.e. 'think of the children!' perhaps reframing needs to be done by the logical people too. How about reframing the man as the victim here? I mean he IS of course but that is kind of besides the point. Ranting and raving about the (obvious) injustice does not work. Victimhood seems to be a masterstroke with them. You've taught me something today that I think can be applied to any situation in life.
Oftowerbroleaning 7y ago
Fuckin lol. Please tell me you're either a woman or you're trolling.
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
I cited sources to back up my point, read them.
Oftowerbroleaning 7y ago
Sources to say that using logic to argue a point is stupid? Nah, I'm good.
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
Well, I guess yoy will never learn game.
popthatpill 7y ago
Why don't they just repeal their ban on paternity testing?
I mean, this is good too, but it strikes me as being at cross-purposes with the ban on paternity testing.
hyperkinesis247 7y ago
Why would a cuck trust information from @BBCWorld & @BBCNews? Isn't her need for BBC the source of the problem?
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yummyluckycharms 7y ago
What about the children is a common refrain from the matriarchy. Of course, logically speaking, if it really was all about the children, then everyone involved would want to know who dad was - if only just for the medical history for the kid. Suddenly - the refrain changes from - what about the children to what about mommy and her cash flow. That gentlemen, is what the real issue is.
I highly doubt this law will pass - too many vested interests have a stake against it, and the matriarchy doesn't benefit. Always follow the money
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Frogtarius 7y ago
Any claim for child support should have a paternity test to back it up.
Heinseverloh 7y ago
If the germans want their country to survive, better vote AfD.
cozgw 7y ago
Controversial? Are you shitting me?
Manducor 7y ago
This is like a beta male stuck in a bad relationship trying to negotiate for leverage, it won't work.
RPthrowaway123 7y ago
Germany seems to be flying in two different directions at once. I'm not really sure what to make of it. Clearly there is support for measures like these, but then they are also one of the biggest feminist countries out there and are also letting refugees flood into their land. Somewhere there's a disconnect happening.
byrdcall 7y ago
It is election time next year, other than filling the country up with immigrants they want to have something to appease the male voter.
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FinallyRed 7y ago
The pendulum is losing momentum but is still travelling in the same direction.
Menigguh 7y ago
Why not just pass a law mandating paternity tests at birth? Add option to decline (for the beta bux cucks). I'm sure most intelligent father's will have no problem footing the bill.
Grischl 7y ago
This law - even if it gets passed - is a dud because it cannot be enforced. The woman just needs to say "I've met this guy at a bar and fucked him on the toilet after a few glasses of vodka - I have no idea who he is or where he lives" and that's the end of it.
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[deleted] 7y ago
So Germans got tired of being called cucks - so they want to outlaw cuckoldry.
There's a glimmer of hope in this world.
Hektik352 7y ago
If you compared it to rape then woman wouldn't complain. As it is financial rape by a leech of a woman and her offspring.
casemodsalt 7y ago
Only skanks will dissaprove of this.
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german here.
we have a think called Bundesgerichtshof (BGH), which is basically the highest court of justice. it regularly invalidates new laws because of them being unconstitutional. let's see if this new law makes it past the BGH. in the last years, BGH-decisions often have been anti-common-sense (for example, lots of child rapists had to be released from prison, because preventive custody wasn't a thing when they did their raping).
keep in mind, its germany we are talking about. they country which is getting fucked by middle class arab and african males, for which austria wasnt nice enough.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Forced how? With what punishment if they don't?
Society does not lock up mothers.
As always, supporting the female reproductive strategy at the expense of the male.
Men need to be legally supported because we do not know for sure who our children are.
PanzerBatallion 7y ago
This needs to be higher. This article means absolutely nothing.
You're gonna FORCE a woman to tell you the truth? You and what army? What are we going with here? Pinky swear?
People lie all the time when it suits their interests. If no one is around to provide any evidence to the contrary, they get away with it as well.
Forcing anyone to tell you anything is always tenuous at best. That's why torture is ineffective for information, and if torture is ineffective as a method, what does a courtroom have at its disposal to extract the truth?
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Exactly .. make whatever rules you like, but how are you going to actually enforce them? You can only do this socially, with fines or with imprisonment.
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-I would imagine thru DNA paternity testing. However from the first article, it sounds more like the court asks the woman "pretty please?"
-"Not fair to the child." Yeah, what I read is, "Let's guilt-trip the 'sham' father as a last-ditch effort because any self-respecting man would leave my ass."
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bbmc7gm6fm 7y ago
And what would they do to those women who cheat? Prison?
I bet nothing!
razormachine 7y ago
They will have to pay a hefty fine of 50 euros.
tallwheel 7y ago
Make the biological father pay the child support.
bbmc7gm6fm 7y ago
The biological father is probably a junkie who dwells in the bars and has no job but knows how to score women!
michael_wilkins 7y ago
Stone them if current migration trends don't change.
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ManInAFunnyRedSheet 7y ago
Sounds about right. I love the "religion of peace"
allrandomworldnews 7y ago
Does not sound too bad either considering the shit those women try to pull.
Edit: fuck snackbars though
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Submissively_yours 7y ago
I don't want there to be precedent of the government being able to punish anyone for having multiple partners/cheating
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bbmc7gm6fm 7y ago
Now there's a distinction between what women are prone to do evolutionary and biologically, and what they can learn to do or educate themselves to do.
If men can rid themselves of the destructive influences of the blue pill, women too, can learn more about themselves by studying the Red Pill. If a woman learns that she is biologically and evolutionary prone to cheating and different sexual partners, then, she can discuss the matter with her mate and prevent herself from overacting her instincts.
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Bhiim 7y ago
Aren't crimes defined by morality?
nuferasgurd 7y ago
Well, they are the morals of society (or should be), but every person needs to define their own ethics and morals. Is it morally wrong to smoke marijuana? The government would have you believe so.
guyinaltr 7y ago
Now not only husband will provide for her and her child but also lovers lol
bbmc7gm6fm 7y ago
Yes, I bet the law is a feminist law disguised as men's rights to know what and what.
First of all, the woman may deny it all in the first place. Secondly, if the husband insists and through genetic tests it becomes clear that he's not the biological father- wife lied- the relationship is already ruined.
Let's suppose the wife admits to having affairs. Would that make the relationship secure? No, if the husbands knows his shit. If the husband is a Nice Guy, yes- she may feel sympathy for the child and his wife and...
EDIT: Still I don't know if the husband has to pay for his wife's child regardless of being his biological father or not! Anyway, the husbands are doomed!
feminists_are_dumb 7y ago
I'm pretty sure the idea is that if the wife didn't disclose the affair, then the husband is able to get his child support back when it turns out the kid isn't his.
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razormachine 7y ago
Well woman is (theoretically) not losing anything with this law. If this law is implemented the "cuck" has the right to find out who the biological father is, and he also has the right to sue the biological father for the money he had spent on raising his child. She is going to "lose" if the biological father is earning less and can provide smaller alimony.
In a system that is about justice, a cuck should be able to sue the woman for the money he had spent on raising the child. (She was the one who fraud him, not him).
And the woman should be able to sue the biological father. (He might have (but didn't necessarily) fraud her.
However this kind of law should lead the single fraudster mother to bankruptcy, and we can't have that can we?
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This. How is lying about a child not considered felony fraud?
It'd be like buying a house, making the mortgage payments for a few years only to find out the realtor never did the transfer and the old owners still are the legal owners. Then you get kicked out and lose the house, the old owners get to keep it but you are legally obligated to keep paying the mortgage.
And that's what being married is like today.
Sonny1989 7y ago
Don't think any man should ever be sued for child support. If a cunt spermjacked him she should not get cash and prizes at all. If he knew he got her pregnant he should be able to sign a form saying he opts out of raising the child then it's the woman's (her body her choice) if she has it or not. If she has it the father should not have to pay a cent as when a cunt decides she doesn't want to have any responsibility for her actions she can just legally murder the child.
razormachine 7y ago
When a woman get's pregnant she should inform the father about her pregnancy before reaching the gestation period when abortion is illegal. The father should accept/reject the responsibility before she reaches the gestation period when abortion is illegal (if he fails to do so, he is responsible) If she fails to inform the father before that period he is still free to accept/reject the responsibility (if he fails to do so he is not responsible).
A father who had accepted responsibility is responsible for child support. A woman who had carried the child full term is responsible for the child support. In the case of a divorce the parent who get's the custody (or larger share of the custody) receives child support from the other parent.
If "father" finds out that he is not the biological parent (a case when woman lied to him) he should be able to sue the woman for the damages that he had by raising the child. And that woman would be able to sue the real father only if he had accepted the responsibility himself.
And there you go. A system where everybody has FAIR rights. However this kind of system is never going to be implemented because family law is not about justice, it's about protecting children. And woman get to use those children as a meat shield.
NietzscheExplosion 7y ago
Yea maybe in 20 years when the misandry bubble flames out civilization, if we survive it.
razormachine 7y ago
Don't be so pessimistic, we have atleast 25 more years before that.
Overkillengine 7y ago
I'm just sayin' the "preppers" aren't totally nuts.
Having a chunk of land you can live off of while concealed is not a bad idea.
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The more I look at the situation in North America. Spiralling out of control spending and the decaying of family life is common place. The more I see, the more I think these people aren't completely insane. The one which we see are the extremists of the movement and our opinions are shaped by it.
truthyego 7y ago
Thank you. Rare to see someone give the only logically correct answer for the closest we could come to fairness in all this crap.
Usually people just argue back and forth only ever seeing half the answer, and then just give up.
Only disagreement, family law is not about protecting children. It is about enslaving men, forcing children into indoctrination camps, and incentivizing women to destroy the family.
razormachine 7y ago
I still think that the original intention was to protect children. However the original intention doesn't matter, the results matter. And I fully agree, the results are enslaved man, indoctrinated fucked-up children from single mom families, and a lot of broken homes.
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maniclurker 7y ago
Not if you give a shit about the kids welfare. The question then becomes: Do you? Or is your only concern that the man gets the "win" in this situation?
razormachine 7y ago
Yes I do care about children welfare.
In case of bankrupt mothers who cannot provide for their kids the state has the option to take kids away from her and put them up for adoption. There... kids are taken care of. And we did all of that without having to rob some innocent guy of his money, and giving that money to a woman.
It's hardly a win.
By the way... good luck trying to shame me for wanting a law system that provides justice for everybody, no matter the color of the skin or sex. I'm on a moral high-ground here bitch :)
BlacknOrangeZ 7y ago
Fewer children being born to sociopaths in broken homes is caring for the welfare of children. Remove the incentives for dysfunction and women will magically return to more responsible choices around pregnancy because people always respond to incentives.
Yes, there may be people faced with uncomfortable realities in the interim, but that's no reason to maintain the toxic status quo. Condemning someone for not caring about children because they want to correct a destructive legal and welfare system is like condemning someone for not caring about heroin addicts because they want to wean them off their drugs. It will be rough, but they'll be better for it.
maniclurker 7y ago
I can agree with that. That still doesn't change the current situation, where a real child is now going to suffer for the mothers poor choices. Either we adopt a darwinistic stance, and forsake it. Or, we pick up that burden and carry on.
Something needs to change, that is clear. Does the change have to come at the expense of, literally, the only innocent party involved?
Rodear 7y ago
Actually, it might be good to teach a child that shitty female behaviour gets punished. Obviously, as it is not the kid's fault that their mother is a lying bitch, the child has to be provided for somehow and, yes, sadly the state has to step in if the mother cannot. I don't want to see any kid starve. Whatever, there's no way a man who has already suffered the cruel blow struck by the mother should pick up the tab directly-he has suffered enough already as it is what with her lying to him and making him believe he has a child. Though everybody picks up the tag indirectly through taxation-guess that is insolvable.
Overkillengine 7y ago
More like an absolutely good idea.
This would give individuals within society more incentive to enforce certain social contracts. Also, offer a bounty for information leading to the true father if the woman does not identify him.
maniclurker 7y ago
Don't get me wrong. Fuck women that do this shit.
I'm just trying to find a way to have my prior humanist ideals, and my new-found interest in TRP, coexist.
Women have shitty behaviors that we, as a society, reinforce for them. We should find a way to break that behavior, or adapt it to our benefit.
I just don't feel it's right that children suffer for the mothers shittiness.
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TheRedStoic 7y ago
Sometimes in order to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs.
In this case, an entire generation of single parent children.
I'm not advocating this, I'm pointing out that down in the real world, sometimes we're faced with ugly choices. Ones that would destroy even yourself in the short term occasionally.
My perspective is, you reduce welfare support over 30 years while implementing the aforementioned system. Slowly pushing a generation to take responsibility for its failures. Also paternity tests should be automated and mandatory before a birth certificate is signed.
razormachine 7y ago
That's what I keep saying. Stop handing out welfare checks and things will fix themselves. The philosophy is really simple, people tend to act way more responsible when there is no safety net.
Noramia 7y ago
"Sometimes in order to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs."
Yep. I don't think it should be the man's responsibility to fix a bastard child's life. Go blame the mother.
TheRedStoic 7y ago
Very strongly agreed.
There are men who are just... Ingrained to parent somehow. Let them choose to
Do not force any man's hand. It results in situations like the sexodus.
Overkillengine 7y ago
Even this alone would made a huge inroad on the worst of female behaviors like paternity fraud. It removes that particular deception as an option.
Rawrination 7y ago
I have to wonder why this isn't already a thing.
razormachine 7y ago
If paternity tests would be mandatory the whole thing would be dirty-cheap because huge number of these tests would drive the prices down, just as serial production of the cars drives prices down.
Supr3mat 7y ago
On a side note: I'm german myself & when I told German women that the CURRENT law was totally insane 100 % of their replies were : NAWALT / relax, it's only a fringe minority / think about the children !!!
Never ignore the solidarity between women when it comes to cover up their mistakes.
If you know you've been cuckolded, you can't force the woman, who cheated, to pay back the money. You can only force the other man to pay you back.
There is NO financial punishment for female cheating, not to speak of any shaming policy.
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AirBacon 7y ago
At that point it should be 100% up to the man.
Some kids are totally cool and you would be lucky to have them as a kid even if they weren't your biological child. And some women are pretty cool after the divorce.
On the other hand... Kids are people too. Some of them are assholes. Sometimes crazy women poison the kid against the father. If the little asshole isn't biologically yours and the mom is a crazy bitch then you should be free to kick both of them to the curb and get on with your life.
Ali_s1987 7y ago
How the fuck is a strangers child my responsibility! How about making it fair for both the parents and the child....
0xdada 7y ago
Women love their children, yet aren't above using them as human shields when it comes to "what's best for me."
awalt_cupcake 7y ago
As the son of an abusive mother, I truly don't believe women love anything but feelings. They sure do know how to act like it though. They are professional actors.
bluedrygrass 7y ago
100% support to that. Women don't love childs, they love that childs give them: 1- social validation and attention 2- feelings, of any kind, lots of 'em 3- make them feel like they have power over someone's life 4-make them feel special and unique
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This right here. The truth.
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NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
This looks very good.
Such a law will end slavery for cuckolded men, but not empower a woman to track down the true Chad Thundercock and enslave him.
That's a win-win.
Remember that they used to call children born outside a legally recognized marriage with DNA that wasn't "licensed" by the name:
Bastard
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strat_op 7y ago
This post is misleading. This law is not a big step against cuckoldry. The duty to reveal has been settled case law and just recently the German Civil Court has ruled that a written law is necessary to continue his rulings.
This law is actually NOT an improvement as it will include a limitation on how much child support can be recovered; only TWO years. Will look for a non german source on this.
officerkondo 7y ago
I find this to be a novel statements because Germany is a civil law jurisdiction and therefore case law is not a source of binding legal authority except in the case of the Federal Constitutional Court (Bundesverfassungsgericht).
strat_op 7y ago
I simplified. In the German Civil Code there is a catch-all clause for the principle of good faith, § 242 BGB. As it is an abstract catch-all clause the Federal Civil Court (Bundesgerichtshof für Zivilssachen) has developed case groups for which he applies this principle. The revelation of the real father was one of the duties constructed from this clause, see for example (in german): https://openjur.de/u/703070.html But recently the Federal Court changed its rulings and laid down that the catch-all clause is not sufficient to derive the aforementioned duty. Thats why the old court practice is now translated into a written law.
UrsusG 7y ago
Germany won't need this.
Mehmet and Fatima don't need haram technology to ensure paternity, while Hans and Greta aren't breeding anyway because yeah.
HAL-9OOO 7y ago
TIL: In the woods is house made of baklava...
Thaweed 7y ago
Hans and Greta are 50 years outdated here, but good try :D
Rather sad that i can only dissagree with you on the names.
NightwingTRP 7y ago
Of all the bloody countries to take action....
allrandomworldnews 7y ago
Maybe you get even more on 2017 after elections.
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
Got this part wrong
Mehmet, Fatmina, Bashima, Akliha and Alloza won't need this. Meanwhile Hans and Greta will be working hard to support Mehmet's 20+ kids.
ventdivin 7y ago
Is it that hard for you to come up with 4 different Arabic real names?
Red_August 7y ago
Surely you mean: Mehmet, Fatmina, Bashima, Akliha, Alloza, and Greta won't need this. Meanwhile Hans will be working hard to support them all.
Goomich 7y ago
Yeah, Idiocracy 2 will be called Sharia.
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
Sorry I stand corrected. Also since Hans will be working extra hard, Greta will probably be banging Mehmet also. If she gets caught banging Mehmet she will scream rape. Mehmet will get off because he was oppressed and needs to rape women or something.
Overkillengine 7y ago
"Stop oppressing his culture, you Islamophobe!"
ThereAndBlackAgain 7y ago
Wow shitlord it's called a Sexual Emergency!
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
Sexual Emergency is the ultimate reframe. One cannot make this stuff up.
AlerioX 7y ago
As a german I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Come over with a redpill helicopter, throw a ladder down and get me outta here.
SetConsumes 7y ago
I'd want to gtfo of Europe. Unless you're looking forward to the WWIII party.
AFPJ 7y ago
1/8th German here, visited family a decade ago and then very recently. You need guns.
m1lh0us3 7y ago
there is no such thing as a 1/8 German. Either you have the nationality or not, stop this bullshitting.
getRedPill 7y ago
Lol. I wonder where this guy is from. US people usually are crazy about this fractions of rationalities, races, genders.
AFPJ 7y ago
I know life can be difficult and confusing sometimes, so let me help you:
Sometimes great grandparents will have kids - more than one kid, and their kids have kids. These people, while not your ancestors, are still family. Here are materials to print out, color & doodle on while you're learning the basics.
Best wishes to your (and whoever up-voted you) continued survival in this fast paced and complicated world,
-- AFPJ
vandaalen 7y ago
I am German and that is bullshit.
I want a gun, but at the moment I surely do not need it. We are still one of the safest places to be at on this planet.
That might be subject to change in the future if things evolve the way the elite wants them to evolve, but right now that is not the fact.
The_DogeWhisperer 7y ago
Wait 20 years for all the migrant's kids to be young adults. Immigrants descendants are always significantly more violent than their predecessors. And there are more of them.
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getRedPill 7y ago
Is amazing how germans are brainwashed, even RP germans...
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Machismo01 7y ago
You are about to experience Sharia law, friend. In the next generation, more and more legislators will be representing this new population of conservative Muslims as they push through new legislation enforcing their own peculiar brand of justice. By that time, it will all be lost.
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You get a gun before you need one, because if you start looking for one when you need it it's already too late. Especially since crime tends to overtake an area all of a sudden, not gradually and with plenty of warning. You think you are safe because crime is confined to the bad parts of the city, but it only takes a bolder gang and a weakness of the police force to turn your neighborhood into one far more dangerous than you think it could be.
byrdcall 7y ago
There is no cc in Germany if you´re not a politician or a highly endangered person.
And while you´re not awake you can not have a gun within your hands reach, because it has to be locked away seperated from the ammunition in a safe.
Police here are weak, they are miserable shoots.
But other than that if you´re a sports shooter or hunter Ar15s are still legal and as a hunter you can even get supressors in some states of Germany now.
AFPJ 7y ago
Fixed that for you. I get it, you're a fellow E.C. here, due respect given, but you're fucking abysmally clueless if you've actually been in Germany for more than a week in the last year, stepped outside & did not notice signs of social decay.
vandaalen 7y ago
Where did I state that. I said that this country still is one of the safest places you can be at on this planet and that it is superior by far in regards f safety compared to the US. Nothing more.
Edit: Also if you don't nozice social decay practically everywhere in the western world, you are a special kind of blind.
AFPJ 7y ago
You're right, you didn't. Apologies. Alas my point is, even if it isn't showing up as murder rates (yet), when you begin to import a culture that sticks together very tightly to the point of groups of muslims roaming around together, it changes the "mood" of walking out and about near refugee heavy zones, which has a cascading effect that resonates into almost every aspect of a society. It's slow to uptake, as I'm sure you know, but the end result is devastating.
Thaweed 7y ago
I thought so too, then france stuff happend.
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vandaalen 7y ago
I even live in Cologne.
This is laughable being posted in a community which is mainly US-American.
There is no chance you'll find a place even remotely as dangerous as certain areas in Chicago, Philly, LA, Detroit, just any major US city, here.
Just go and compare the statistics on homicide for our countries.
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Brave_Horatius 7y ago
There's a psychological effect on a society that gun ownership yields.
People when they talk about guns focus too much on the individual.
vandaalen 7y ago
I don't even understand what this means.
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frisch85 7y ago
If you are referring to Hänsel and Gretel, atleast use their real names and yes they aren't breeding because they are siblings... fucking our siblings is forbidden here, guess that's something new for you.
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gtypoDD22 7y ago
You are on the next level of stupid. He is not referring to Hansel and Gretel dumbass, he is just using german sounding names to make a point. By "not breeding" he is referring to Germany's low Birthrate.
You are austistic.. i've never seen somebody so bad at understanding humor.
afkb39sdfb 7y ago
Don't feed this troll guys.
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Wait wait wait. This is a proposal. "...It will require parliamentary approval".
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What part of the title or the post suggests otherwise?
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
says taking a big step . . . but wake me when they actually do, article says and I quote "Women in Germany could be forced to reveal the names of the biological fathers of their children under a proposed new law.
The controversial measure will force women to divulge acts of adultery or infidelity during a relationship.
It has already been dubbed the “Cuckoo Kids’ Law” by the German press, after the German phrase "
Yashugan00 7y ago
yes, we all know it won't be passed into law. Too many complications. And you know the state will have to either pick up the tab for the child, OR spend effort finding the actual father OR force the father (now demoted to being the child's guardian) through administrative process. This will cost heaps of money and slow down the legal system even more. Hence, it won't be passed.
loddfavne 7y ago
Womens feelings will be the main argument, but the motive to discard this proposal will be that it makes it harder to for the state to grab mens money. You are so right.
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Not to mention the nightmare of "forcing a woman" to disclose her sexual history, something most men know is something women go to their graves with.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 7y ago
Add a grandfather clause.
Now it acts as a deterrent for future infidelity.
r3v3r 7y ago
Lol bullshit this law is introduced by the great coalition who have the most seats by far. It will be passed.
Also this law has been introduced after the courts ordered the laws to be modifued. So this is not unexpected and something has to change anyway
Horus_Krishna_2 7y ago
they have angela merkel in charge. she ain't gonna sign this into law.
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chasethecake 7y ago
If she doesn't she'll take a lot of flak at a critical moment for her reputation (immigrant policy), I don't think she will decline unless it's some sort of political suicide goodbye she's planning.
getRedPill 7y ago
She could get away with it. Too much blue pill mentality, that's why she is there first place
stoicismexpress 7y ago
Wait...how the fuck is this not already a thing?
[deleted] 7y ago
Laws against cheating while married should also be a thing. Coming in contact with a third party's bodily fluids without your consent is a form of rape.
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 7y ago
In France its still illegal to do a paternity test to determine if your child is actually yours.
https://www.ibdna.com/paternity-testing-ban-upheld-in-france/
Biological paternity is a social construct!!
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Rodear 7y ago
Given their tendency towards adultery this does not surprise me.
squidracer 7y ago
Note to self- go knock up married women in France.. The perfect reproduction strategy
QDodge 7y ago
Germany has a similar law. You need both parents' consent to do a paternity test. Which honestly renders this proposed law useless, because women could simply deny that they cucked their husbands and there would be no way to prove that they did.
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Osoto_Gari 7y ago
I read that if the father denies the child is his the chick is shit out of luck
newName543456 7y ago
No wonder they are getting overrun by Muslims with weak crap like that. And in a way that's an improvement.
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razormachine 7y ago
Woman hamster how it isn't really important who the parent (father) is. However when hospital fucks up and couples get children who are not their own they are utterly shocked.
ODERINT-DUM-METUANT- 7y ago
Hopefully they abolish that disgusting law.
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I hope I live long enough to see the long-term effects of this law. In theory, their society will degrade because the average man has less incentive to produce, knowing his children may not be his.
getRedPill 7y ago
That's a lie that have perpetuated successfully. Society won't melt because a few men know that kid isn't his. If anything this gives a peace and certainty, which is brings possitive effects.
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The thing is that the father can send in samples to a lab and know completly for sure for himself.
The bullshit is where that evidence is inadmissable in court because you didn't get the mothers permission.
I would go on a fucking family-court shooting spree if that happened to me. Starting with my wife.
AFPJ 7y ago
Step (1) move to France. Step (2) stay single and fuck around. Step (3) Profit.
Or it would be, if France wasn't basically the new fucking Nigeria / Jamaica.
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[deleted] 7y ago
Nigeria or Jamaica? What a retarded moron you are. If you know nothing about Europe and European countries, keep your comments to yourself. Americans should shut the fuck up from time to time, everyone's got an opinion but you seem to have no knowledge.
slickdevil1 7y ago
He is not wrong. So many shitskins and blacks, especially in the bigger cities. And yes, I'm from Europe.
WASPandNOTsorry 7y ago
I just visited France. I agree with him.
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oxnd 7y ago
LOL @ quoting the Dailymail GTFO
probpoopin 7y ago
Telegraph and the daily mail? Haha haha haha haha haha haha haha haha!!!
razormachine 7y ago
Psychology is a pseudo-science. While it would be hard for a complete moron to hide among scientific community, they do seem to prosper in pseudo-scientific community.
wanderer779 7y ago
It is one of those fields where you can't prove yourself wrong or right with experiments unlike physics.
A great example of what happens when bullshitters venture off into hard science can be found in the history of Indiana state government. Their legislature once tried to pass a law that would establish that pi be valued at 3.2. They actually invited a science professor to meet the author of the bill, who replied that he already knew enough crazy people.
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wanderer779 7y ago
You are right I know next to nothing about psychology. I think I have always been turned off by them saying things like fatherhood is not a matter of biology. You don't see governments coming up with nonsense policies and supporting them with opinions from physicists.
WASPandNOTsorry 7y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/27/study-delivers-bleak-verdict-on-validity-of-psychology-experiment-results
razormachine 7y ago
I didn't know about that, but it's a great example.
Let's just imagine for a second that one of those bullshiters had passed the whole pi=3.2. Every engineer out there is obligated to calculate the Pi as 3.2. From that point on the industry steadily goes to shit, a lot of parts are faulty, a lot of engineers try to avoid circular shapes as much as possible, some engineers cheat and still use the 3.16... pi for their calculations, but when they risk being labeled as fascists for doing that...
That's exactly what's happening in society right now. Bullshiters had managed to pass on their B.S. as facts and truths. And our society steadily goes to shit.
AcrossHallowedGround 7y ago
3.14159... If you use 3.16 your stuff still goes to shit.
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razormachine 7y ago
As a kid I memorized pi as 3.16... and even after all those years sometimes I pull the wrong number -.-
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[deleted] 7y ago
o_o; ITS 3.14. NOT 3.16.
You've got to be mistaken...I mean, no educator is going to claim that PI is 3.16. With 3.14 you are rounding down slightly, but for most math this is probably fine. Personally, I use 3.1415, but I'm sure others go even further.
razormachine 7y ago
As I had said I had memorized the wrong number. Your communication skills are almost as crappy as my math.
Sabremesh 7y ago
Actually, for four places of decimals, rounding up to 3.1416 would be more accurate.
Rawrination 7y ago
which is probably where the person got 3.16 in his memory from.
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
Psychology is not a pseudo science. Just because your mind is unable to wrap itself around the unseen it doesn't make the unseen unreal. Psychology is a very powerful discipline in the right hands. It borderline transcends the physical. Don't go around saying what you just said because any intelligent person hearing u say that will automatically quality you as an elite level moron who wouldn't be given anything else but tools to work land on a farm.
frenchbloke 7y ago
Psychology is more an art than a science. It's actually very difficult to do rigorous scientific testing in psychology. This isn't anyone's fault. It's just the nature of the subject.
Yes, "in the right hands" psychology can be a very effective discipline, but this actually makes the discipline very dependent on the practitioner in question, which in my opinion, also reinforces the fact that it is more of an art than an actual science.
bluedrygrass 7y ago
Psychology isn't any different from astrology, in how it's used to manipulate people in believing things that are convenient to other people
Gawernator 7y ago
This doesn't sound like my AP psychology class at all.....
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ven5 7y ago
They meant psychology, the institution, not psychology, as in the intricacies of the human mind. Psychologists have proven so many times that they're incapable of conducting a proper study. It's either bullshit statistical analysis of 100-1000 person groups or a professor's philosophical take on someone else's statistical study. I.E. Do you see a physicist throwing 1000 balls by hand at a bunch of cars of different makes to determine how much force it takes to bend a piece of metal? These crappy standards for studies are what makes it hard to prove, and a pseudo science. As with any pseudo science, it's not always wrong, but it mostly is.
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
No, they meant psych as a whole. Because of their limited limited understanding of the nature of the science. When people think psych, they see therapy, and little bullshit like that.
Admiringcone 7y ago
Ease up turbo. It doesn't transcend anything. It's a physical study of mental conditions.
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
You're very ignorant to the nature and power of psychology. Psychology borderline transcends the physical. You don't know what you're tying to talk about. It's about much much much more than mental conditions.
Admiringcone 7y ago
Wow. You are a supercilious twat. I think you are very ignorant to the nature and power of those around you to see through your "I R Smarts" routine.
razormachine 7y ago
Mater is composed of small unicorns that are having an orgy. Prove me wrong.
Gender is a social construct. Prove me wrong.
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razormachine 7y ago
Really really tiny horny unicorns.
Admiringcone 7y ago
Well you raised those points..so the onus is kind of on you to prove those..
razormachine 7y ago
Yes I agree, I should prove those.
probpoopin 7y ago
Microbiologist here. Psychology is what people study when they suck at math. Quackery at it's finest.
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politisch_inkorrekt 7y ago
The amount of biologists I know that believe in homeopathy and body energymakesme think that you guys raise idiots too
probpoopin 7y ago
Uhh, I don't know a single biologist that believes in homeopathic medicine. Maybe some redditors believe it, and then try to say they have a degree in biology, which they don't actually have. Biology is a science like any other. Everything is based on evidence and observation. There is no evidence that homeopathic meds work at all beyond placebo. I know that in my school the humanities people had to get a few lab credits. They would take bio 101 and then say they were studying biology to other people. In reality, they took a single course to satisfy the need for lab credits, then go back to psychology, sociology, or gender studies thinking they have a grasp on biology as a whole. Biology doesn't get really technical until you start doing major cell bio and micro bio. Shit gets real and it is based very heavily on mathematics, physics, and chem. My 200+ level biology was pretty much indistinguishable from organic chemistry and physics of living things. Like, how molecules react inside of cells, KREB cycle, vit C cycle anx all that. It gets technical very quick after 101.
Tldr, those "biologists" are god damned liars. They probably don't have a degree.
politisch_inkorrekt 7y ago
That's pretty much to read for the assumption that I "know" these biologists from reddit. I know 2 biologists (1 of them molecular biologists) who told me to put some homeopathic remedy shit on my scar (from an operation). The thing is, both work in biomedical research as managers. They are not even bad bosses but they somehow believe in this shit. Still, they both have masters degrees and one has a PhD. What's even the point in thinking that biologists don't have these people, if a fucking huge amount of MDs think this stuff works, which isn't that far of from biology anyway. Life Sciences are trenched with idiots. Psychology isn't the only science which seems to be a meeting point for esoteric cunts who pander to nice sounding "hypothese".
probpoopin 7y ago
I personally haven't seen them. Most of my professors have openly ridiculed those types of medicine as non evidence based. There are however plenty of natural medicines that work. What do you call natural medicine that works? Medicine. One that comes to mind is senna extract or senna tea for constipation. Homeopathy is complete BS though and again, while studying and briefly working in that field, never came across people with those views. I'm sure they are out there. I would still say that it isn't science though and almost every university in existence is going to teach based on evidence.
I suppose every group, even intellectual circles, have radical ideas that occasionally float around. There are mathematicians who believe numerology. Plenty of physicists who have other thoughts on the big bang and the universe than mainstream. However, I still think these types of individuals are a tiny minority in those fields. Honestly, I can't think of any branch of science that doesn't have a few quacks associated with it. I just don't think it speaks to the vast majority of that population.
politisch_inkorrekt 7y ago
I never fought against that. I didn't want to say that homeopathy or these things are science. I just wanted to say, that while it is understandable that psychology has a bad rep because of much nonsense, these idiots are within other not so hard sciences (as physics for example) also. I studied psychology, i got my master, I hate it for being a big shithole of circular reasoning, non-testable hypotheses and PC-bs but this is more a problem of the people within it as for the science itself. It can be a science but it's easy for quackery. I still worked to get some expertise in stats... makes more sense to me than most of the psycho-babble.
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Sn0man79 7y ago
In the old days, the husband was the father in all but the most extreme rare of cases.
Not quite like today.
Overkillengine 7y ago
In the old days, the husband was allowed to retaliate against cuckoldry too.
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razormachine 7y ago
You can still fully legally indoctrinate the kid into the blue pill, taught the kid about the nazi war crimes and plant deep guilt and self hate for it. Learn the kid about fluid genders and offer to pay for the hormonal therapy.
Extra points, you get to brag how liberal and open minded you are :)
loddfavne 7y ago
After reading what you wrote, I'm starting to think that kids were better off in the coal-mines than in modern society.
getRedPill 7y ago
Exactly the same I thought
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PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Sounds reasonable enough, I hope allot of cheating Ho's get the Shiv through this new piece of legislation.
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blackfin 7y ago
The irony of this is mind blowing.
Unholy_VI 7y ago
Good on you Germany, good on you.
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This won't pass, cuckoldry is their future. Germans are a dying people, world war losses sealed their faith.
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
There hasn't been a true Germany since 1945, am I right Mein Fuhrer?
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I mentioned both world wars. And yes Germany was split in two after WW2 and has basically been was American/Russian colony since then.
I'm not even white and this is obvious.
pusangani 7y ago
I'm more surprised that this is coming from Germany, they're the kings (queens) of the eurocucks
victor_knight 7y ago
Well, when the kid is unusually tanned, there may be cause for concern.