Summary: Mainstream article shows the similarities between dread game and when a man is cheating, anecdotally proving why dread game works.
Be a busy proactive man, who is chasing after his dreams
All of a sudden, his working days are longer, maybe he even has to travel, so he’s away from you overnight, for a couple of days at a time, or even longer
Circle though periods of showing high interest and low interest to get her hamster going. Remove beta style constant validation and reassurance
He’s not present. Even when he’s physically present, he’s off in his own world, he’s not really there with you.
Take pride in your appearance and lift
He takes a lot more trouble over his appearance, whether that means dressing better, a sudden heavy use of aftershave, or an infatuation with the gym and lifting weights.
Introduce potential competition/love interest
A new enthusiasm for a colleague at work, a newly single female, or even a friend of yours. Suddenly, he’s talking about her a lot and only too willing to help her out.
Alternating behaviour that makes her special and/or behaviour that makes her feel inferior
Are they suddenly being overly nice? Allowing you to watch whatever you want on TV, buying you gifts, asking if you would like to go out to your favourite restaurant.
Maybe the opposite is true and they are constantly picking fault with you or accusing you of cheating.
Implementing constant soft dread to keep her in a constant state of tingles
From reading lot's of red pill my take on stuff like this is that you will want to keep whoever your interested in a permanent state of soft dread. You do this by:
- Legitimately having many options and her seeing/sensing that.
- Flirting with women everywhere, even infront of her sometimes. Even just being socially good with women and having non flirtatious conversations with women infront of her is often enough. 90% of guys are scared of striking up random conversation with random women in public.
- Fucking her good. Only someone who lots of women have been interested in will have enough experience to do that.
- Good style/grooming.
- Great physique.
- Following your mission.
- Having a good career path.
- Having lots of friends who she has to compete with.
- Having lots of hobbies you enjoy doing.
Basically, have your shit together, make her feel great sometimes, make her feel worthless/inferior other times by having such high value. Note you don't do this by being abusive/being nasty, you do this by being the ultimate guy where she just can't help but feel you are out of her league because you truly have everything together in every department. Simply being the ultimate catch and not being 100% in to her will evoke the gina tingles and make her do whatever she can to get you.
Final thought: Who is least invested holds the power. Always be less invested. Everything listed above will increase her investment in you. So if you are actually really interested in a chick, you better make sure you have this applied or it will go down in flames.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
The implication that married people are supposed to let themselves go is incredibly depressing. And to think people wonder why marriage rates are at an all-time low and dropping.
87GNX 8y ago
Heartiste had an old clip of a song admonishing this... it was from the 60s
HeadingRed 8y ago
The implication that married people are supposed to let themselves go is incredibly depressing.
As marriage is currently mostly a women's benefit having a man who becomes less attractive to other women increases her feelings of security. Having been in 4 live-in LTR's I can also tell you all of them get jealous of anything that you enjoy without them- hence the apprehension and fear around any new hobbies\friends\interests.
Windrammer420 8y ago
How is that what you take from this? They're saying if someone began doing that and didn't have a habit of it before, it's suspicious. If they'd been doing it the whole time it wouldn't be. Simple stuff.
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This is the result of that dog-shit softness society tries to impose on you. The "good enough" attitude.
I will never stop working toward achieving a stealer physique and physical endurance. It's good for you, you look more attractive, your mind is clear from the meditative state of exercise, and it builds a sense of spirituality (for me at least).
Take what's gained from spending your time on exercise and compare it to "sitting on the couch and eating chips watching TV", what's gained there? A couple hundred calories of un-nutritious garbage and 30 minutes of bliss in la-la land before the commercial break where you take a nice look at your gut right after some miracle diet pill commercial.
coffee_and_lumber 8y ago
I got married and doubled down on the self-improvement and dread game and got the fuck out of the house right from the get-go. This was even before swallowing the pill. I've generally noticed that the couples I see in my middle class inner city neighborhood are very fit and active and the ones out in the small surrounding towns are a fucking disaster...25 year olds who look like middle forties. Bad middle 40's.
SilentAlpha 8y ago
When people don't respect something anymore, they treat it horribly. Lack of respect for marriage often comes with people who neglect it. Interestingly, a lot of the serious Christian couples I know who strongly value marriage stay fit and keep it interesting with dates, fun, etc. It's always the 'wild' ones who get married and then slack off and wonder why they aren't happy anymore.
When you spend your single years trying to bang anything that moves because you think marriage is the end...what do you expect?
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
They expect "Happily Ever After" not realizing that is the end of the story.
Rougepellet 8y ago
Unbelievable. So if a man who is out of shape and married suddenly decides to start going to the gym to get back that body he used to have and improve his health, it's a sign he might be cheating? How does this logic even function in society? Explains the decline.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
A while back on the Fitness subreddit, I saw a thread where a formerly overweight guy started going to the gym and eating healthy. After a few months he had lost a lot of fat and had gained a lot of muscle. All of his friends and coworkers took notice of how much better he looked. His wife (who was also overweight) got super paranoid that he was going to leave her for a "skinny girl" and even went as far as to say that she wanted him to stop going to the gym.
If a married man decides he wants to get in shape, lazy out-of-shape people will assume that he's either cheating or planning to cheat. Because why would anybody want to work out unless it was to attract a new partner?
ITranscendRaceHombre 8y ago
God fucking forbid she is inspired by his dedication and progress and betters herself. No. She has to try and bring him back down to her horribly mundane, loser level.
Smooovies 8y ago
Well, she spent all that time domesticating him, so she didn't want all her hard work going to waste.
truchisoft 8y ago
No, but the article is spot on, any married guy who suddenly changes like that, and is not particulary driven to keep the marriage is doing it because he is cheating, I know lots of cases like this.
If you never let yourself go, this article is useless, if you always go out with friends then going out with friends is nothing to worry about, but if you change your netflix weekends for "fishing trips" with friends you never used to frecuent before, it is a red flag.
Glenbert 8y ago
Only if the guy's a total fucking loser who actually believes that his paramour is his twue wuv.
If some slutty intern is what prompts you to finally go to the gym, you are a fucking loser.
truchisoft 8y ago
So? What does that have to do with the magazine's point?
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BadassRPMofo 8y ago
That's the point. There's no better way to instill dread than doing exactly that. This particularly applies to those who are beta slipping in a LTR. It doesn't have a be a drastic wholesale change, because even the slightest changes in behavior (soft dread) are picked up immediately.
truchisoft 8y ago
We are discussing two different points.
I argue there is truth in the article, any male that suddenly starts doing everything in the article is almost certainly cheating or will cheat/leave his girl.
yummybits 8y ago
any male that suddenly starts doing everything in the article is almost certainly cheating or will cheat/leave his girl or knows how to play the game
FTFY
truchisoft 8y ago
Rarely, you never go full alpha at once
_eskimo_brothers_ 8y ago
Or ya know, the AFC woke up and is bettering himself, not being a selfless shell of a man anymore. He's practicing self love, because he's not getting affection or charm anymore.
Obviously it's rare for BP men to internalize these things without the RP, but it does happen. OP is spot on, might not always be cheating, if you want a successful LTR of any kind you have to understand and use dread.
Shadow_banned1 8y ago
Exactly this. Ex-wife actually started following me to the gym because she thought I was cheating. Nope, just loving myself because you won't.
wiseclockcounter 8y ago
sorry to piggy back, but does AFC stand for alpha fucks cuck or something? never saw it in the glossary.
Sawagurumi 8y ago
http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/14/afc-social-conventions/
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It should be in there. It stands for Average Frustrated Chump. AFC's are a joke. They hate on guys that are good at getting women or anyone that is better than them at something when they could spend that energy trying to better themselves. In the "hating on guys who get women" example, they'll call the successful guys douche bags or assholes.
Edit: Just checked it. It's not in there.
_eskimo_brothers_ 8y ago
Correct, Rollo is basically required reading. AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) comes up in his Rational Male book very early. I would recommend reading it /u/wiseclockcounter. Or as linked below start reading the website, since much of the book are articles from the site.
By the way... /u/SecondThreat are you referencing:
OP,
article writer for dailymail (Bianca London for MailOnline... ha doubt it's her real name)
person I replied to,
I didn't quite follow brother, I assume you meant guy I replied to? I didn't check his history.
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I was replying to /u/wiseclockcounter. When I said "This guy..." I was describing what an AFC is, I wasn't referring to one particular user.
Edit: I edited my previous post to make it clearer.
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Linrraba 8y ago
For years, I thought the whole point of marrying was letting yourself go. You know, not having to worry about impressing women, seducing and so on. Most people are raised that way.
CQC3 8y ago
I think it's more correct to assume that by "letting go", people really think marriage is the end of the game, that you can stop playing. Not necessarily letting yourself go physically (which does happen anyways because people get complacent thinking "this is it")
No.
Always keep yourself in shape, if you live long enough you'll thank yourself. I've seen a lot of old timers, a lot of em are all fucked up and can't even tie their shoes without running out of breath (more women than men I should add). Those old folks that were still quick and spry, I have a lot of respect for those guys. You can even see the difference in their eyes, there is a vitality to them that the weaker ones don't have. It's like they live on two different planes of existence.
Stay in shape fuckers.
BlackHeart89 8y ago
Thats crazy. As a child, growing up, I always wanted to be the perfect man for my wife. This included having a nice physique. My reasoning? I didn't want her to desire anything I couldn't give her.
el_superbeastooo 8y ago
I too used to think that and even was happy of that "fact". Like "who am I trying to impress?" Ugh.
Turned it around and am in the best shape of my life and continuing to improve. Fuck that shit.
The_BeardedGentleman 8y ago
Well, for women with BB it is. For men who like their bank account its a different story.
Linrraba 8y ago
I know. Marriage is a cake walk to women. But not so long ago setting down was a glorified thing for men too.
Captain_Unremarkable 8y ago
A wedding is the Super Bowl for a women, only better.
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Its a Super Bowl you cant lose, and it goes on for ten - twenty years. Even if youre 300 lb and never threw a football in your life. You cant lose.
CQC3 8y ago
That makes sense, nowadays many women probably get to experience both annually.
tuxedoburrito 8y ago
I'm a bartender at a wedding venue.
Can confirm holy shit bridezillas
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tuxedoburrito 8y ago
No. They're the same anywhere man. AWALT.
There have been definitely some drunk bridesmaids and brides, usually the groomsmen sweep in on them. Although I went to a wedding a few months ago as a guest and, yeah bridesmaid and I danced and drank and I stayed the night at her place. Which was fun.
But it's usually a bridesmaid, and either you're a groomsmen or really close to the groom. Then chances are (especially if it's open bar) you'll be good. Just be charming and genuine, crying during ceremony helps a bit too.
thredditsowaway 8y ago
Great observation. Even totally single people are guilty of this. I don't see how it's acceptable to be any less than 100% presentable while out of the house unless you're at the gym or working a manual job. In fact, people are shamed for "overdoing it." Crabs in a bucket, etc.
zaiguy 8y ago
100%. In Moscow women don't even go to the corner store without finding the right outfit, doing their hair and makeup, etc. It's would seem annoying but every trip outdoors is a nice treat for the eyes.
suloco 8y ago
I am guilty of the other extreme (working on it):
Walking a dog? Blazer, smart jeans, casual oxfords. Going to a pub? Nice shirt, knitted tie, slim chinos. Goddamn I change three times before I even leave the house. It's all ties, pocket squares and matching socks. Need to tone it down a bit.
But living in Prague, I weep seeing our lazy Czech 'style' every time I board a damn bus. Gotta fight that shit!
new_cummer 8y ago
I think it might be due to herd mentality. Most people aren't fit so they must shame those who are fit to make themselves feel better but secretly they are mirin'.
I recently started bulking seriously and my ex would give me a lot of shit for it in public but the other day I was changing and she barges into my room and the first thing she says is "wow, your arms are huge" as she felt them up. Same thing with my flatmates.
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Even if I'm going to Home Depot, as long as I'm not picking up something that will get me dirty loading it up, I'm in a decent shirt. Not something that would be worn to the club, but I'm not going in a ragged shirt and pants either.
tuxedoburrito 8y ago
I was even doing yard work recently at a friends and barefoot.
They asked me if I had some throw away sneakers that I forgot or like, why I was wearing running shorts. I don't even own trashy clothes anymore. If it isn't worth wearing then get rid of it. Don't horde, that's what women do.
CQC3 8y ago
No kidding. I once overheard someone making fun of people who are extremely in shape. They said something like "What do you even need all that muscle for these days, it's not like you're out there in the wilderness trying to survive"
People say dumb shit all the time, the best thing any passionate, idealistic young man can do is understand that it's not their job to convince others of anything that they can't begin to help themselves with first.
Meditation has also helped me with this, when you begin to separate your awareness from your mind, and both of those from your body. You really begin to understand the utility of each--specifically that your body is your vessel in which you interact with this world. If your livelihood required you to drive large distances every day would you take care of your car?
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rpscrote 8y ago
I love it because sad sacks of shit like that are my competition in life. Too easy
thredditsowaway 8y ago
Yes, very much agree. There's absolutely nothing you can do to change their minds. And you gain absolutely nothing from doing so. Hell, even girls who shame fit men are secretly 'mirin half the time.
Edit: I should mention that, in my teens, I used to be "that guy." I truly believed that musclularity was savage and irrelevant, and that intellect is the new sexy. Can you guess when I lost my v-card? Hint: it wasn't my teens.
Glenbert 8y ago
Lol @ millenials. Lemme tell you, during the second recession that you experience as an adult, survival skills start to seem a lot less ridiculous.
Goodyjoel 8y ago
You can call out millenials all you want on that, personally I am disgusted with my generation for exactly that reason. I'm continually guiding my circle to stay fit and learn to protect themselves
Nicholas_ 8y ago
It's mostly the fat hoes who say that if you ever notice.
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Nicholas_ 8y ago
Best type of gym.
I'm originally from N.I and im back from university and this is the gym I use on the regular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUT1ai0jZGU
Oldskool no nonsense powerlifter gym with a strongman yard out front. It's a little gem in a place where there practically is nothing.
Goodyjoel 8y ago
The gem of my area has 4 power racks and 8 barbells and an extensive set of metric rubber plates in one room and is frequented by all of the wannabe bodybuilders in my area. Place is expensive, but oh so worth it. Been going a little over a month now and I am feeling on top of the world. Not even visually making gains yet, but I'm just starting out so I am making strength gains hella quick.
Nicholas_ 8y ago
That's basically what mine has haha (no joke). Except not only do we have about 1000kg worth of rubber weights, but about 500kg's worth of iron plates as well.
I swear, I never really appreciated a gym like it until I moved away to uni and realized just how bad most commercial gyms are :/
thredditsowaway 8y ago
Damn, I wish I could afford that kind of gym.
Honestly, getting swole is half of "having good style." Having a good body shape and buying a $10 plain t-shirt that fits your body well looks way better than being scrawny and wearing a $40 dress shirt.
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thredditsowaway 8y ago
Where I live, most gyms cost $50 or more per month. I found one that costs less than half of that amount and I really need to save the money right now
When I have more money though I'd rather join your kind of gym than a franchise gym.
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yep, plenty of single ladies running around in uggs and sweatpants looookin rough
HOTMESSANDPROUD!
IoSonCalaf 8y ago
Uggs are so appropriately named.
smokeybehr 8y ago
The local "uniform" is the triple-layered cami/t-shirt, denim shorts, and Uggs. They might swap out the t-shirt for a western shirt (open, of course) or the shorts for a skirt, but yet, the Uggs remain.
Yes, Uggs are comfy, but they're not meant to be worn all the time.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
There should be a law against hambeasts wearing sweatpants that have things like "juicy" or "sexy" or "angel" printed across the butt.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
There is, and it's in most of us.
nothere_ 8y ago
They look like they smell of sweat and coffee
[deleted] 8y ago
BO, cat urine, and failure is the image I get from them. Fur lined boots with no sock, in the summer. Yeah sexy. :\
alanthemanofchicago 8y ago
I don't get how they can wear those in the summer. I wore my fleece-lined house shoes and walked to the end of my driveway (like 300 feet) to get my newspaper/mail on a Saturday, and by the time I'd gotten back, my feet were sweaty.
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Because they are disgusting people?
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NimbleStorm 8y ago
They hate us cuz they ain't us
pdpbigbang 8y ago
They hate us cuz they anus
rpscrote 8y ago
"girl there are only gonna be 7 planets after I destroy Uranus"
RedHeimdall 8y ago
Just found my new online dating opener
Mightyskunk 8y ago
Heeeeeeey, lady. My dick just died. Would you mind terribly if I buried it in your ass?
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The_BeardedGentleman 8y ago
My chick mocked me when I first started going to the gym, with a bit of the "oh man dont miss leg day bro" and shit like that. Then after a few weeks she started picking up on my ability to do a hell of a lot more physically and my stamina in bed, and has since stfu about it.
But of course I can't really do that with friends so that they shut up haha.
TyPerfect 8y ago
This so much, my wife thought I was crazy for getting a gym membership. But now I have some visible gains and am starting to lose weight. Affection has been a lot more forthcoming, to the point where she will come into my study and just sit on the floor(No extra chairs in the work zone) just to talk to me.
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What you can do is go out with your friends and introduce them to girls that they're not confident enough to approach. That'll shut them up.
The_BeardedGentleman 8y ago
Thats actually a really good idea. I might do that if were ever out and they start gettin snippy.
rpscrote 8y ago
best way to increase the length of your visits to pound town? Heavy squats, deads and HIIT. Giggity.
Mightyskunk 8y ago
My wife would die if my visits were any longer. She's usually soaked me seven or eight times before I'm done.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
Wait until other women start checking you out in public. That will really motivate your girlfriend to step up her own game.
Grompher 8y ago
I've had it happen. GF just hamstered away accusations.
Mightyskunk 8y ago
Wife gets super tingles when that happens. She loves owning meat.
parabadamasamba 8y ago
So, you want to bone your friends?
tuxedoburrito 8y ago
That's animal kingdom alpha right there
rpscrote 8y ago
when you're butt fuckin your bros, make sure to keep eye contact so they know you're the dominant male
zxDanKwan 8y ago
Don't forget to pee on them.
Wraithwain 8y ago
Don't forget to take a dump on their bed, and wipe on the sides of their doorframe. Marking your territory is important!
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tuxedoburrito 8y ago
I'm meeting someone for lunch from tinder. Some cute girl she said she was dressing casual and not to Overdress her.
My response?
"Don't fucking wear sweatpants."
She seems really cool, so we shall see how it goes. I'm still going to dress normal (I dress well, not business casual but pretty nice)
ryno55 8y ago
You could leave out the profanity though. Personally, I use the F bomb too much too. It doesn't really add anything and makes you sound vulgar, if not angry.
tuxedoburrito 8y ago
I think it has a time and a place. At work, at the gym, in professional or family settings i taper my tongue back really far.
In casual dating or hanging with friends I usually you cuss words. I mean, I want to at least show an once of verisimilitude rather than be completely PG. it depends on your culture as well. I'm in Portland, where its common place to cuss like a sailor. It's apart of the culture.
Vulgar just means common or lowly. Really it's all a matter of perspective. I could use an extensive vernacular but then I'd sound pretentious, there isn't a win win.
She laughed and said she'd keep a note of that. I just got back from lunch, she actually paid for it while I was keeping an eye on my dog outside (little did I know), pretty balling move for a gal. It went well.
NidStyles 8y ago
No one gives a shit. They are just fucking words.
Kingspot 8y ago
People do give a shit. you cannot deny that.
One effect that I like is that when you don't cuss often, when you do, people know you mean fucking business. The same with raising your voice. My mom didn't cuss too much didn't cuss too little but I knew if she ever said the F word, shit was about to seriously go down. Heard her say it maybe 3 times in my life.
NidStyles 8y ago
No, you give and women give a shit.
Kingspot 8y ago
You are a fool. Thats like saying that nobody cares about the language you use in general. What if a president used swearing in a speech or a debate? He would look uncouth, vulgar, and uneducated. If you want to be presentable, you dont speak with slang or swear words.
I swear and use slang pretty much constantly when with friends. But when you go to work, or you are meeting new people, you clean your shit up. If you deny this, ill put money on it that you haven't graduated high school yet.
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Sember 8y ago
"Woman changes man into someone she is no longer interested in."
I think many women do this and it leads to skewed world views, once a man decides to be himself and do good for himself, he's cheating, who the fuck knows if a man is cheating cause he's going on fishing trips all of a sudden, or started taking care of himself, maybe he wasn't happy with his life and is trying to get his shit together.
BattleDrillOneAlpha 8y ago
Makes me realize the difference between men and women when it comes to cheating.
I don't think I have ever heard a story of a man rationalizing his cheating. As in when a man cheats he cheats. He doesn't bull shit the girl, say that "emotions" caused him to cheat, doesn't "take breaks", doesn't have a fight and then go bang the ex, etc. The dude may string the girl along just like a woman does, but when a man is caught he kind of just lets it ride.
He knows that the jig is up; there is no need to bull shit the cheating away like a woman does.
Reminds me of those threads on Reddit where the chicks rationalize cheating on their "asshole" and "controlling" boyfriends, but they never use the word "cheating".
IllimitableMan 8y ago
We call it betafication; when your girl tries to bitch you up because she's insecure she'll lose you at your current value. Then when she sabotages you, she doesn't want you for herself anymore either. It's a glitch in hypergamy.
suloco 8y ago
Seems to me like a huge shit test. Anyone who bends is weak and goes outta window. The men women cannot change are the ones they stick to.
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Woman is attracted to AF, but also wants her BB. She relentlessly tries to get her AF to commit and provide, without being aware that the more he complies, the more he turns into the type of man she's is not attracted to. I don't think it's a glitch, it's just optimized female sexual strategy, not optimized couple life
Matsew 8y ago
wouldn't call it a glitch. if you fall for it as a man, you've failed the shit test.
Sember 8y ago
Is it rooted in insecurities or is there something else to it? Could be norms and culture. Imagine the Spartan society where men had to be Alpha, would a woman even want to make that man a Beta? Would she maybe even try to straighten him out and remove some beta traits he might have even though he's Alpha (most Spartans probably were)?
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In those days, there was no desk job (or very few equivalents) for the man to run off to and sit for eight hours a day and still be able to pay the mortgage and grocery bills. Being physically capable of survival was just a given (assuming the men were surviving).
RedPillDad 8y ago
A woman has a hierarchy of emotional needs and she continually seeks to be in a state of emotional well-being.
Pain takes precedence over pleasure. But living in a world of relative comfort, she'll focus upon less pressing needs, such as anything that makes her feel insecure.
An Alpha mate makes her feel secure physically, but not emotionally. She feels competition anxiety (dread) - that other women will poach him. So consciously or not, she begins taming and softening her man.
Betafication is the easy life. It's a tempting path, like Cypher plugging back in to the Matrix. But it can have severe consequences.
It's a losing move for her as well. The less Alpha he becomes, the more she steps up to take control. But having more control is a double-edged sword for her; it gives her some measure of security but increases her level of anxiety. The other fallout being her complete lack of desire for him, leading to a dead bedroom and divorce.
RPAlternate42 8y ago
The solution for her is that she acts in a feminine and submissive way so that while her mate may be more alpha and a flight risk, she is always working in a way to make sure that all other female options are disappointing to him.
Alas, most women think they can have their alpha man and he will just stick around because princess entitlement.
StManTiS 8y ago
You know its funny, last week I was at a birthday party for a family friend. She's been married 22 years now and has 3 kids with a big spread. She said something that made me choke in the middle of a conversation.
Somehow the topic got onto LTRs and she said the most important thing for a woman to feel in a relationship is that she can hand things off to her man. From her point of view a woman wants to do everything and that is why she is always so crazy trying to do just that. But if she can find a man that is in her eyes reliable then she can relax and delegate.
What's more is that there is a 14 year gap between their first child and their last two. She says during that time she got a job because she was planning to leave her man and wanted independence, but then he stepped up in some intangible way and all of a sudden more kids.
I'm not really sure how to frame this anecdote in context but it seems to me that by Betafying a man a woman inherently makes him unreliable and thus causes herself to go more crazy.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
Women have several behaviors just like this but I would say it is not necessarily crazy but rather they just DESPISE their men. Their behavior appear batshit crazy but it is really about hating on the men they are with. Women try to pussify their men and then despise them. They try to cut off or limit sex and then despise the men who let them. They try to manipulate you into doing something or not doing something and then lose sexual attraction- because they despise the men who let them get their way.
Does anybody notice a pattern?
RedPillscientist 8y ago
"that by Betafying a man a woman inherently makes him unreliable and thus causes herself to go more crazy."
This. Basically shit-testing/fitness testing to see if he really is the man she can look up to. When he fails shit tests, she literally gets frustrated, realizing she has to keep looking for another Man and start all over. I see that akin to us men thinking we found a HB9 unicorn, only for her to become complacent and gain 200 pounds.
RedPillDad 8y ago
She almost said it, but not quite... She doesn't want a reliable man-servant. What she (and everyone else) wants is the RELIEF a worthy leader brings - the trustworthy person who can take the burden of making decisions off her shoulders.
But if she's been feminist-trained, she'll resist taking on the role of first mate. She wants power over him. And it's easy for a guy to let that happen because he's happy to benefit from a leader's relief.
"So you want to hold the reigns, babe? Great! Here you go..."
If he casually allows that to happen, they'll both lose in the end.
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The quickest way to destroy a woman is give her everything she wants. Just look at the US. Women have never had more than they have now, in the history of the world. And they are miserable. Mental health issues are off the charts. And of course this brings society down with them. Its all part of the plan.
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rpscrote 8y ago
More like Chad T. stepped up and all of a sudden more kids
Dr_Shakalu22 8y ago
Yeah, it's pretty clear that this is the case. I wanted to believe it wasn't but AWALT.
StManTiS 8y ago
Well its too early for the girl but his son is a dead ringer for him. He just got a better job, got rid of the beer gut and started getting into a bunch of his hobbies. Pretty TRP stuff for a married man.
rpscrote 8y ago
refreshing to hear another man stepping up
Marsupian 8y ago
A women will always test a man. If a guy turns beta because some girl bitches at him how alpha is he really?
Its part insecurity and part hoping he ignores her and carves out his own way in the world and takes her with him despite the bitching.
darkwolfx24678 8y ago
That's a good point. In that case, I believe it was culturally recognized that men were alpha and any attempts to restrict that were probably looked down upon.
bitches_be_crazy86 8y ago
That's what women do all the time. They try to change you into something. Something that, in the end they don't like. Not sure if that's a deliberate shit test or just lack of forsight and objectivity so typical of women.
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Lol at feminist vocabulary, Getting a reccomended hour of daily physical activity in a culture where obesity and being sedentary are an epidemic = "Infatuation with lifting weights"
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RedPill4LYF 8y ago
A pattern begins to reveal itself to me as time goes on. All the mainstream rags print dating advice that is exactly counter to the reality of the trends of male behavior. These sources that women go to for dating advice are responsible for feeding them the bullshit that causes so many breakups and horrible relationship decisions.
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RedPill4LYF 8y ago
What should alarm you is just how much men still may not be fully aware of.
ThreeLF 8y ago
"Note you don't do this by being abusive/being nasty, you do this by being the ultimate guy"
FUCKING THIS! Needs to be stickied everywhere over this entire sub. This information can be easy to misconstrue, as we've seen by a lot of outsiders.
useyourmouth 8y ago
The other day I sent a "we need to talk" text to my wife. I was going to tell her about signing our sons up for little league.
A few days later, I overhear her complaining to her sister about my vague texting, and saying "OMG is he going to tell me he got someone else pregnant, or what?!"
Thanks trp.
1independentmale 8y ago
Great submission and analysis. When I was married, a friend of mine setup a small home gym and started doing p90x. He was talking about it constantly and I found it intriguing, so I did a couple of workouts with him. Loved it, picked myself up some weights and the DVDs and started it myself.
Ex wife's hamster went wild with accusations of cheating. "I'm supposed to believe that out of nowhere you want to lift weights?!" Crazy fucking bitch.
Dread the shit out of them. Once she's convinced you're hers forever, all interest in you will be lost.
dr_warlock 8y ago
That's because she's projecting. This is what women do when they plan on branch swinging in the near future; get fit and get new apparel. Once they've reached their goal, time to say "we need to talk". The next day shes straddling chad's cock because she always has back up plans in her phone or on social media.
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The next day? By the time you get the talk shes already been test driving for the last month. Cant risk swinging to a bad branch. Shes pre vetted by that point. And thats why the only response to a 'we need to talk' is to preempt the break up.
Smooovies 8y ago
So, does that imply that men's expectation of women's behavior, in a blue pill sense, of them being faithful, loyal, compassionate, etc., is a projection from us?
dr_warlock 8y ago
Projection doesnt tend to be a man's problem, pedestaling is.
(Source)
-/u/IllimitableMan
Elodrian 8y ago
How do you tell the difference between women's intuition and borderline personality disorder? That sounds like the set-up to a joke, but there is no punch line.
cuban 8y ago
The punch line is when she hit me in the face for "cheating." Oh, yeah, guess who was cheating.
genki-sama 8y ago
Would it be similar to trusting your gut?
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rporion 8y ago
Yeah well, you underestimate women at your own peril.
They read non verbal cues up to ten times better than you, in fact, they take in so much that they dont analyze it directly but they have feeelings.....
Thats why they are into esoteric shit so much, because thats what the world feeeeels like to them, listen to them talk about sexual chemistry, "there is tension in the air", "energies flow"......
If that system had not worked well for them in the past it no longer would be there so you better believe in female intuition and fast.
Elodrian 8y ago
If women habitually arrive at conclusions based on intuition, and are unable to articulate the reasons or evidence for those decisions, how is anyone else supposed to refute those conclusions when they are wrong? There is a reason why enlightenment virtues place reason and evidence on a pedestal: it makes the decision making process transparent and amenable to review and analysis. It gets you to the right answer more reliably than intuition.
I don't discount the existence of female intuition. I believe that they believe in it. I also believe that it amounts to a coin toss at best and that there is no rational way of refuting the conclusions.
"She thinks you're cheating, therefore you're cheating" elevates feelings to the status of evidence. If this mode of reasoning is deemed acceptable by the general public, how does a person with Borderline Personality Disorder know that there was something wrong with them?
rporion 8y ago
That is what I am trying to tell you, it does not amount to a coin toss.
You are conflating several things here, like flinging some shit to see if it will stick or genuinely having a gut feeling, or projecting her shitty character on others.
I have seen women size up situations in seconds that would go right over the heads of most men and it took me hours to see that they were indeed right.
Now, as to how you refute them , you react in a way that once again tells her, her gut feelings were indeed, wrong.
You cant argue with a womans emotions, you just can make her feel something else.
Laugh in her face because of the absurdity of her rage, then she might rage harder, then she might cry, then you fuck her good, then she might cry some more, or not, then she sleeps like a baby.
If you are fucking her, that is your job.
And yes, I know...
DannyDemotta 8y ago
1) That's dumb as shit. All of it. All of the above.
2) "your own peril", Fucking WHY? If you're married, your Wife can divorce you for any reason she wants - up to and including believing you're cheating, whether or not you are. She can divorce you for not letting her watch her TV show when she wants. -- If you're not married - who the flying fuck cares what a woman is intuiting?
Is this you being an edgelord or something? I don't get it. What peril? The peril of replacing a dumb ass, illogical biatch with another who isn't going to be a fucking weirdo who isn't able to complete the adult human task of vocalizing her thoughts in a comprehensible manner? Sounds incredibly difficult.
rporion 8y ago
Well, you wanted to know what the difference was, and the difference is that between a real strenght that women have and someone who is batshit insane.
Plus, a woman who is firmly on your side and is wise enough to go for symbiotic relationship instead of a parasitic one can be an invaluable asset.
DannyDemotta 8y ago
Yet none of what you said explains your disregard for OP saying
Because for the vast majority of (date-able) women, the lines are almost completely blurred. They've been so used to just straight-up bullshitting through their entire lives, and being white-knighted, and having endless favors/work done for them, that many would prefer to use what intelligence they have to further the charade, rather than to actually become an intellectual, interesting, personable human being.
To the extent you don't want monogamy/LTR - you can underestimate women all you want, with next to no consequences. Pursuing something deeper necessarily means abandoning some amount of logic/reason, and substituting it with faith/feelz. But that applies whether you're straight or gay. It's not something that Women, exclusively, are able to do against Men.
monsieurhire2 8y ago
So . . . if you work to stay healthy, keep yourself presentable, have a life outside of your relationship, have a career, and treat your SO nice but without pedestalizing her, all of which are normal healthy behaviors that make one desirable, you're a no-good CHEATER?!?!?
Lolololololol....
Articles likes this are completely disingenuous.
There will be another one a few days later that says you should dump a guy for exhibiting the OPPOSITE behaviors.
It would go like this:
12 Signs you should dump your SO:
. . . .
Therefore, dump him!
The whole point is to confuse the shit out of women and demoralize them.
Glenbert 8y ago
This was me in a previous relationship. She ended up cheating on me. Shocker!
redpillcynic 8y ago
Erm, meet our friend the female hamster
PedroIsWatching 8y ago
And keep them subscribed to Cosmo.
rpscrote 8y ago
Right along the cosmo article: 12 Ways to Spice Up Your Sex Life, 11 of those ways being put food on his dong in some fashion.
trpdownunder 8y ago
extra points if it's spicy food right?!
borderline_sociopath 8y ago
What brilliant logic. "If he's doing this, he's cheating. If he's doing the opposite, he's cheating. Ya, totes cheating. I can't even."
rpscrote 8y ago
it boils down to "if it makes me feel bad he's cheating"
vox_veritas 8y ago
This is exactly it. If it doesn't fit into what I expect, or makes me feel bad, or is confusing, he's cheating.
Moneyley 8y ago
"He's lifting weights"
Yea he is bitch what about you? What are YOU doing to improve your health?
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Women subconsciously grease up their man once in a relationship so he doesn't have better options than to stay with her...
This article confirms TRP.
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
The extreme version of that was that dadbod craze.
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Stay with her until she gets a better option. Then she branch swings away. No shame to her, its all about the resources.
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Yeah exactly. Nevermind she leaves the man brokenhearted after that...or the kids too (if she has kids with him) yeah nevermind that. Suicide? Not her problem. Broke and living in the ghetto? Not her problem. And what does she bring to society that requires all these men to sacrifice their life's work? Is she curing cancer? Is she a messiah? Does she help these men achieving greatness? NO.
We have too many females in need of support and the Gov. knows they are the biggest tax base because they spend like crazy. That's why the Gov. keeps propping up these vagina lemmings. It's a house of cards and one day it will fall hard like the world trade centers.
NabroleonBonaparte 8y ago
But why should she give more if she HAS A VAGINA?!?!?!
Jokes aside, of course they won't care when they're ex is struggling, broke, suicidal, etc because it validates her decision that she left a beta.
[deleted] 8y ago
Interesting post. You hit many of my main talking points. You only left out nazis. A-.
MoneyStatusLooks 8y ago
My ex did this. Was always making me fatty homemade food or wanted to stay in and get pizza. Didn't realise what was happening until I found TRP.
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baking is another tool in their arsenal..mmhh brownies
rpscrote 8y ago
Pre empt bitches, lift prior to hanging out. Eat brownie. Receive gains. All is well in the world.
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haha lift as you eat her wet brownie, watch her eyes lust over, then bang away
RPthrowaway123 8y ago
This is basically a guide on what to do as a man if you think you're relationship in trouble. Spin little hamster, spin!
Manuel_S 8y ago
Good stuff.
Just a comment, everybody:
DO IT SOFTLY
DO IT GRADUALLY
NEVER EVER EVER FUCKING TELL, NOR TRY TO HIDE. LET HER FIND OUT.
When you start to implement things, do a smooth transition. Softly. If you do it well, she'll be at the same time kicking herself for suspecting you because there's no reason, and utterly convinced you got a harem of nubile young women.
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TheQuestion78 8y ago
And this is why self-improvement is always more important than gaining a woman's affection.
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Personally I "liked" the ending best:
File under Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Honorable mention: 8. Your intuition is screaming at you that he’s having an affair. You may not be able to substantiate what your intuition is saying, but that doesn’t stop it being true. Your intuition doesn’t have an agenda. It doesn’t want you to hold onto this man at all costs. It just tells you the truth that it picks up from a thousand subtle clues.
Why be rational when the catch-all Female Intuition card can be played?
I strongly believe that it's incendiary articles like this that do a disservice to women first, and to their SO second. To be being part of TRP philosophy means being immune to this type of propaganda meant to rattle the cage in order to sell advertisement; I refrain from wasting time with people whose narrative follow these type of story telling.
suloco 8y ago
This shit here is just women projecting. It is how THEY imagine YOU would behave if you were cheating whereas it's really tells you a lot about their behavior.
GainzdalfTheWhey 8y ago
Wow this article is so bad that its good. It's textbook female crazy in mainstream.
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Johnny10toes 8y ago
There are a couple of things that I am bad at in here. Things that are not me but a reprogramming over a long time. One I use to be a huge flirt. I have a hard time with the dial on that one. It's 11 or 0. I know it's a fear that if I turn it on I'll wind up cheating and need to start doing it again. But without going to 11.
The second thing is friends. I'm not incapable of making friends, I just don't take the time. The guys I use to run with back in the day wouldn't make good friends now, I'm in a different place. Some are still into drugs and shit like that.
So I'm not really bad at them as much as I am good at it but don't do it.
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No friends = low SMV to women. No one to pre select you = she doesnt want you either.
[deleted] 8y ago
Makes sense. Funny how the other way around is never an issue.
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Johnny10toes 8y ago
Mine is 20 years removed from flirt with all, which is a long time to program myself to just stay away heh.
thetenman 8y ago
Funny how a specific act and it's exact opposite are symptoms of the same problem. Hamstering at it's finest.
inferno1234 8y ago
What am I supposed to take away from this article? It all just seems like clickbait viva magazine shit to be honest.
One thing I can see from; start improving yourself in any way and behaving like an actual man instead of a beta faggot while in an LTR and your wife will automatically assume you're cheating(which might benefit you, although I don't know if that's a given?).
So yeah, confirmation that dread game works I guess. Nice find in that respect but nothing groundbreaking.
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The issue is, how many guys can really pull all of that off? Especially the sex one. Have enough women wanting you so you can get lots of practice at sex. If you could do that then do you really need the rest of this? Yes and no.
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Well those are signs of cheating, which is the entire purpose of dread game - to make her jealous. If you are cheating on your wife, that is what you would be doing.
dw0r 8y ago
The 12 signs
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Tom_The_Human 8y ago
Whenever you think "I really like/love this girl! Maybe I can soften up the TRP..." remember: it is because you act how you do and are how you are that provides the conditions for her to be how she is and act how she acts.
FarfromaHero40 8y ago
"Who is least invested holds the power. Always be less invested. Everything listed above will increase her investment in you. So if you are actually really interested in a chick, you better make sure you have this applied or it will go down in flames."
Sir_Shitlord_focker 8y ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again: you do t need a phd in redpillology to fuck girls and over thinking it will ruin your game. Dread game is simply acting like you don't need her.
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RPAlternate42 8y ago
I don't show my wife anything. I have nothing to hide, but I don't have anything to not show or even show, for that matter.
She shit/comfort-tested me once with a: "I'm completely transparent you know how to get into my phone and email. You hide things."
Yes. My phone is a virtual easter-egg hunt of pussy for you to find...
slutnip 8y ago
Funny, same thing applies to women as well
Is this written by a woman? of course it is. You guys are missing the "deflection" here, I will tell you from lots of experience, women are the worst cheaters on the planet, most guys i know at least have a moral compass about it
xcallide 8y ago
This is a bad article. It's describing what women do, not men, when they cheat. It's part of the distortion TRP is trying to clear up, but for women: in the same way that men shouldn't hold women to men's standards, women shouldn't hold men to women's standards. For example, when a man acts aloof, he's typically just spacing out or thinking about some math problem he read online. When a woman acts aloof, she's typically mad about something or wants something to happen, but won't say it. Because she knows the reasons why she acts aloof, she incorrectly assumes that those are the same reasons why men act aloof. In the same way, men incorrectly assume women's reasons to act aloof. I hold the idea that men are more built to solve problems than identify problems. Meanwhile, women are more built to identify problems than to solve problems. That's probably why the standards are different: if a man assumes a woman is just spacing out, he will have more time to work on a problem; similarly, if a woman assumes a man is mad, that makes it so that if the man is truly mad, the problem is correctly identified. Women err on the side of "more problems" when identifying problems. Therefore, in a society comprised of only men, we'd see really cool gadgets, but impractical ones -- gadgets that are interesting to fellow nerds, but useless to the consumer. In a society comprised of only women, we would see tons of attitudes being thrown around, since things aren't getting done, and women are less prone to taking problem-solving responsibilities. But the problems that do eventually get solved are relevant ones. Either way, both societies are inefficient. One of the steps to become Red Pill is to accept that women and men are different. The author of this article is unfortunately not.
Xuixien_TheEpic 8y ago
I've read a lot of these "signs he's cheating" articles and the only thing they share as commonality is that everything is a sign he's cheating. It's like women just collectively arm themselves with material to start fights.
VictorEremitaK 8y ago
You are not really honest in your critique.
They are talking about behaviour suddenly changing.
dabrah1 8y ago
Most of the "signs hes cheating" articles are so vague that they can apply to almost any boyfriend or husband, in any relationship. This is clearly done intentionally to get women curious enough to read more/ similar articles- not to mention it keeps them in a constant state of dread.
vandaalen 8y ago
Good stuff. Archived for future referencing in asktrp.
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You should add Rollo's relationship cardinal rule : In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.
http://therationalmale.com/2011/08/19/the-cardinal-rule-of-relationships/