It saddens me to see/hear this opting out of relationships,feeling unimportant and that your feelings are being disregarded. Its hard to see this hatred towards women. I'm gonna go hide in my closet and cry now. Good luck on the boycott guys I think woman need to try to gain a better understanding of this and then maybe we can reboot, be kind, love each other again..

i don't believe in such generalizing but i don't think women require you to be some steady rock all the time

maybe certain high maintanance ones

the implication here is that if you show a moment of weakness in an otherwise meaningful relationship, she'll leave you which is total bull

Sharing feelings is what women do with each other. Want to come off to a woman as one of her future girlfriends or worse some beta-bitch boy she doesn't want to talk to? Yeah, go ahead, unload your feelings on her. That shit only works in Hollywood or it is so rare it doesn't even fall under the far end of the bell curve.

Got the oneitis? Been pining away for "the one" for so long your hurt inside? Guess what? You've already blown it. Unload on her and you'll get the "I don't feel about you that way" let down. And she should do it too... after all, you were to big of a wuss to be upfront about those feelings (meaning sexually escalate like you know what the fuck you are doing) and her mind slotted you in the "does nothing for my vag" category long ago. You turned yourself into an orbiter. Your fault, not hers.

A proviso to the OP. A woman MAY want to know about your feelings...but she want to work for that, like she's earned it. And, this is usually after a long period of dating and banging. And, you should never, ever volunteer this shit. That's her job, not yours. And if she does entreat you to share your fweelings, then dole them out slowly and only if she has behaved well and shared her first.

Only after a long, long period of being with a woman should you open up more and even then its a crapshoot (and the above rules still apply). In a long term relationship, a touch of beta is usually needed but sparingly. So if you do open up, let her know how you feel without some faggy soliloquy.

Men show their emotions to women by doing. We share out time with them but on our terms and certainly not all of our time.

We let them into our interests but only in time. Not immediately. She's gotta show herself worthy.

Shitty day at work? Don't unload on her about it. You come home a bit tense and angry. Her: What's wrong hun? You: Shitty day at work, that's all. Let's have drink [and then do anything else but bitch about your boss]

Here's where you can share "feelings" and not turn her vag into an arid desert. Your passions. Reading a good book and she asks about it? Tell her how fucking bad ass Rommel, Montgomery, Patton, who the fuck ever was in WWII (you get my point). You love a sport? Music? Art? Talk about it like its the best fucking shit ever. Women love passion in a man.

Even when its about her. But her, do/show, don't tell. Rip her clothes off and fuck her like she makes your dick hard as diamonds. That's how a woman wants her man to make her feel. She doesn't want to hear it from your mouth.

If you ain't banging her, then all your petitioning, poems, songs in her honor, supplicating, and emoting won't do shit or, worse, the opposite of what you would like it to do.

Yeah, I know from a past experience. About 20 years ago and NOTHING I did worked. Just the opposite.

Now, women I'm with are just happy as can be to get a modicum of recognition from me that I like them. I dole it out carefully and modestly. No gushing. A slap on the ass, a kiss on the top of the head, or a carefully planned and cooked meal do wonders.

Good post OP.

There is no reason, at all, ever, to discuss your feelings with a woman.

It's not that they don't want to hear your negative emotions AT ALL. It's all about moderation. We humans have an ability to empathize with others. We, however, don't want to be overladen with a streamline of negative emotions. That's when things start feeling like a burden.

Think about it. You wouldn't mind the occasional times of consoling your SO when their feeling down about things happening in their life. But if you had to do it all the time it would drive you insane. Women are the same way. They want to help. But not carry you all the way through to the finish line so to speak.

Disclaimer: The two of you need to already be emotionally invested in each other for this to mean anything. For example, did you care about how that homeless man you passed in the street was feeling? No? You didn't give him any money? But you'll consider giving your friends money if they really needed it. My point exactly.

thanks for this red pill, no more pussiness for me fuck this shit Im keeping my feelings to myself from now on, thanks man

You just have to look at the 80/20 rule, ever been out with a girl and after the first date she's not interested? Does she treat you with any respect or honesty afterwards? No.

Once she's rules you out as a potential you become one of the 80%, IE invisible,not worth her time

Women only care about your feelings if you are very good looking, high SMV (Alpha). They will be endeared / turned by your vulnerable side. The cliche of the Alpha male who has a vulnerable side is what literary porn for women is made of.

But, in general, most men are not that good looking, don't have high SMV, so it's best to keep your emotions to yourself.

This is what male bonding is about. In times long past male children would be taken aside and taught by the older men in the tribe to do male things and work in groups of men. This process bonds them together and enables them to work as a team, it also creates an environment that allows for a male to share with other males his own anxieties. This was safe because if one male is feeling anxious about something, chances are other males had similar feelings, or the older males had once had those and could provide couching and counsel.

Industrialization destroyed the traditional framework and replaced it with male clubs based on common interests / experiences (sports / hobbies / ect..). Since the males had similar interests they still had enough in common that they could bond and provide for life couching and assisting with anxieties. Feminism has since destroyed those frameworks and is actively hunting down any location where they form. Male social groups that are capable of creating this kind of safe supportive bonding can only exist in the absence of female influence, if a women is present her solipsism will destroy the environment required for men to be trusted with showing vulnerability.

What we have now, in the internet age, is groups of men who's only response to showed weakness is to socially attack it in the presence of others as an attempt to demonstrate their ability. You see it everywhere, even here. A male will produce some thought, feeling or comment that shows weakness and then you get people immediately attacking it in an attempt to discredit and dominate the male in a public setting. This differs from ribbing / horseplay in that it's intention is to dominate and subjugate vs bond and produce positive feelings. Men aren't taught how to bond anymore and start to think everything is a competition for social credit.

Female here, can confirm. Maybe I'm just a cold-hearted bitch but I at least I'm honest.

This and other posts like it are all about pandering to a woman's unreasonable demands. You are entering her frame and are extremely concerned with how she responds to you even if her response is immature and selfish. Outside of not sharing too much, being an emotional rock that is unmoved by anything is the ultimate form of pandering. The beta sacrifices his time, emotions and money for a woman. You are suggesting sacrificing your very humanity to keep a woman.

The reason women do this shit is because men tolerate it.

This and the other juvenile 'army boot camp' shock jock posts are trash. You are human and you are going to struggle sometimes, that's life. If you are a great guy and she can't stay with you through that she is not your friend and needs to get out of your life.

It is more than just "not caring" about your emotions. THEY ARE ACTIVELY AND POWERFULLY REPELLED BY YOUR NEGATIVE EMOTIONS. AWALT.

Any woman will blather on about how she wants you to "Open up" and "tell her your problems" and then ANY woman will dry up like the planet Mars after about an hour of you being a negative, soul draining whiney-boy.

They may not leave you right away but they WILL stop fucking you almost immediately. They may even give you 1-2 pity fucks and THEN you will find yourself in the desert of sexual withdrawal.

Women are repulsed by the thought of fucking their children. If you show negative emotions and try to get her to validate you, and kiss your boo-boo and make it all better, then you are her child, NOT her MAN.

TRP as a subreddit and RP theory in general is not meant to be exposed to as many people as it is now (80k+) and especially given the delivery mechanism (reddit) you're going to get a lot of dumb, angry friendzoned losers here who just want to use rp make things work with "this one girl" who they're currently orbiting.

I knew once the members spiked up high enough this sub would decay. This sub cannot continue to produce good content given the democratic model. The newbies will just upvote crap like they've been doing, and not just crap but ideas straight out of the purple pill. I've sometimes wondered if it's been a concerted effort on the part of srs or some other like minded, time wasting idiots, to undermine the subreddit. But I doubt it.

I have to say I appreciate what the mods have done recently, but in my opinion they made a mistake with that "no concern trolling" thread. That was created right after a rather large spike in membership, with a subsequent influx of crap posts, and anyone who tried to speak up about it was blasted for "concern trolling". This basically helped getting the newbie posts upvoted since the new hitler mod wanted to show he was "serious". Other than that though, I think the mods here have done well.

In reading the comments to OP, many people have mentioned keeping emotions away during sex etc. How can i go about doing that?

I find it very easy to become emotional/lovey dovey with my FWB simply because we cuddle and kiss and whatever cheesy stuff before and afterward.

This is really true, and something I've had to learn time and time again.

might as well throw in my sad sap story.

I had been dating a girl for two years. we'd even moved in together. Throughout the years I was with her I was at the top of my game, great job.. involved in sports, progressing well at the gym. We were deliriously happy together. Even thinking about starting a family together.

Sadly, around this time a close family member passed away. My uncle. a stroke got him.. it was kinda unreal how quickly he was gone. This guy meant the world to me, he'd been a mentor to me as a child. He was a mechanic. I remember these amazing afternoons working on his cars with him during the holidays.

anyway, His death hit me pretty hard and I was pretty depressed for a while. I dropped almost all of my sports and hobbies, even took time off work. After a few days of me moping around, she asked what was wrong. I shrugged her off the first few times, but she was pretty persistent. She told me i could tell her anything, and as I'd consoled her many times when she'd broken down, she wanted to be there for me.

So I told her.. about everything. just let it all pour out. Even started crying. There I was sobbing in her lap. To be honest, it helped. I felt better after. But, the relationship changed after that. Sex dropped off pretty quickly. It was a change after the daily rough sex we would usually have. She started going out at night with friends more, leaving me alone at home.

After about two months. We finally had the talk. She wasn't happy anymore. Just didn't feel the spark. Still loved me, but wanted to move on with her life. she moved out about a week after that. Even got to find about my replacement, some fucking prick from her dancing class.

But jesus.. two years.. thrown away like nothing.

I deal with my problems myself now. Find a good punching bag at the gym, fire off some rounds at the range. I don't complain to women anymore, it does change the way they see you. And they will drop you like nothing.

Very well put OP. I forgot this simple rule recently with a girl and lapsed into my old beta-self. The result: We're no longer "friends" or even talking. Before I ever mentioned anything about my feelings she was very responsive and constantly sought my complete validation. I was flirty and always talked dirty sex stuff with her when we spoke irl and online. Then I stupidly fell for her and revealed my feelings (when we had a fight about me hurting her feelings. That she hurt mine too didn't even remotely sink in) and BAM... no more contact. It sucks even more because we work at the same company so we kinda have to be civil like that. But it's really infected right now.

There is also an evolutionary reason why women would be turned off to overly emotional men: Men need to provide and be effective, and if they are constantly swayed by their feelings that will subject their overall effectiveness as a man. Its evolutionary unattractive to emote too many feelings.

Like anything else, this is to a degree. Positiive emotions are great, when not overdone. And its okay to show some negative emotions when harmed, but they should be brief, controlled, and quickly turn to action.

Women actually care about your feelings way more than you think.. If they are needy feelings, they creep women out. If they are unconditional they may develop needy feelings toward you A.K.A. Love

"Because women don't care about how YOU feel, they only care about how YOU make THEM feel." This can be applied in general to everyone. Notice how when people feel happy, they rarely include you in their happiness. However, when they feel sad or depressed, then they can whore a lot of attention.

Spot on. They don't care about your feelings. They care about their feelings. Never show weakness.

Then it's settled, women are a waste of my time.

WOW! Great post OP and so very timely, as this last weekend reminded me just how true OP's words are.

Three months ago, SO of one year unceremoniously and coldly disposes of me over the phone in 3 short sentences. I replied, "OK" , and hung up. I knew then that ANY response to her would be futile.

Over the last few months, she reached out to me thru emails and texts, trying to lure me back. I resisted.

This weekend, I failed. She made a social request of me, which I granted- details unimportant. Missing sex, I suggested that we get together for the weekend and fuck each others brains out. She said she wanted more than that, an d I told her to forget it then. She gave in and agreed.

BUT WHO WAS THE ONE WHO GAVE IN??

Me. She did not deserve to be with me, but I let my guard down for a piece of fucking ass. Good sex twice and two lame orgasms with them, and two good blow jobs, one excellent with a rousing finish, but still NOT WORTH WHAT i HAD TO PAY WITH MY ACTUAL TIME AND PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ENERGY.

So I listened to all her ramblings, her FEELINGS, AND ALL HER BORING STORIES and her half-assed apology for disposing of me in such a cold manner. She thought that was good enough for me to take her back.

Then I told her what I thought and what I felt....

Did it work out for me?? Nope! No more than it worked out for me when I told me EX wife how I felt when she did the things she did, and said the things she said.

Ex-SO's eyes get wide, start to tear-up and her equivocations, her rationalizations began. She went on defense, did a bit a gas lighting, and I lost frame, which I regained quickly. I am proud of that, but not proud of my decision to have her over to satisfy my lust, and disgusted with myself for sharing my feelings with a woman/child and loosing self-control and respect.

I asked her to leave. She did. I did not have it in me to shut the door on her, but instead, let held a MEGA-BETA-LONG embrace, with her crying on my shoulder. Thanks be to me and the Gods that I held frame and just listened.

What I should have done is listened to myself in the first place and saved myself and all the time and energy it took.

One positive side note- She knew I was dating and my phone blew-up ALL weekend with texts/calls from dates and potential dates. She knew because I told her and I caught her looking at my locked phone which had texts/missed calls on my home screen from women with their names and dating site they came from. She had to leave my home which I own (she has an appt), and she got to see the improvements in my body that had developed over the last three months. She also got to see and experience the improvements to my home that I had made since she was there last, much like the improvements in my body, two things she will never have the privilege of seeing again

If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't. Its the Fuck Yes/Fuck No Rule and I failed, but learned a lesson.

honestly, who cares about a guys feelings?

as a woman, i like this post. i really do. but i feel some points are up for debate. if you care to, let me know.

Do yourself a favour gentlemen, keep your feelings to yourself.

I disagree with this, and I'll tell you why, you should try to nurture strong bonds with other men. This way you might find companionship, sense of belonging and validation that you so desperately crave and keep asking from women. Women will never be able to fulfill you, you'll have to fulfill yourself alone and through friendship with other males. Women are not attracted to empty vessels as they are one themselves, seeking attention and validation from others.

Find a shared interest with other fellow men and do it, there's so many activities you can do with other males: watching sports, hunting, fishing, working out, etc. You'll live a happier live and raise your SMV in the process.

I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this but here it goes.

Women do care about your feelings aside from the ones that give them tingles. When you are in an LTR with a woman, your SO wants to feel needed, she wants to "help" you with your problems. It's important to let her know what's going on in your head if you're having a rough time. Women can tell if there is something off about you. However, don't tell her everything. Let out little bits of information. Tell her what you've been struggling with, followed by how you're going to figure everything out.

She doesn't actually want to help. She wants to feel needed. When you let out these little bits of information she gets the validation that she's helping you, which makes her feel good. When you follow it up with a plan and let her know everything is alright because you've figured out what you need to do, she see's you as a strong confident man who can handle his own shit.

Don't be a completely emotionless rock. Have emotions, share a small percentage of them with her. But let her know that you've got everything taken care of. She will be happy that you opened up to her because she wants to be a part of your life, and your emotions are a huge part of your life. Furthermore, she will also see that you can handle things on your own but chose to let HER in when you could have easily gone elsewhere. In response she will get the wettest of tingles because she feels validated and knows you're a man.

I just want to reiterate this point. No matter what a girl says to you regarding your feelings like "I want you to open up." Do not listen. It might be really hard at first because you might be happy with the attention you know you will get if you initially open up. But if you dont you will have the girl like you for a much longer time.

Telling a woman your true feelings may not make you an alpha, but being afraid to say what you actually think or feel around a woman is about as beta as it gets.

Here is what I got from this post:

• Dont be a beta orbiter.
• Always hold frame.
• Women are solopsistic and don't give a shit how you feel.
• Tingles are good.
• They crave high SMV men that can give them good social status, money and a good rough fucking.

The one thing I don't agree with though is if they act nurturing towards you, that you are doing shit wrong. Listen, my gf looks after me well, she does my cleaning, makes me food, asks about how well I am and does her best to nurture/please me. This is not through weakness, it is through strength.

Also there is a difference between bitch crybaby emotions and showing real authentic vulnerability. It's a subtle difference, but one is a beta behaviour, the other is extremely attractive. Almost just saying things how they are, opening yourself up for attack and being okay with whatever happens. That takes balls and frame, its more of a pussy move to just sit on your emotions totally and keep them locked up. Will just lead you to being a passive aggressive mangina.

Other than that, good red-pill knowledge.

All women care about is what you can do for them. The faster men understand this and accept it.. the easier their lives will become.

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Great post. Just a few words to those who appear very unhappy with this and want to pour out their emotions unto their SO like they do with their mothers. Nobody says you can’t do that. This is TRP. We observe realities of the world. This is one of them. We simply observe that if you do X, the result will be Y. Whether or not you decide to do X, depends simply on whether or not you want Y to happen.

I've been married 17 years and my wife usually cares about my feelings, she demonstrates that over and over. I don't know what kind of women OP spends time with, but if you choose the right woman to marry then you don't need to be a rock all the time. Sharing the rough stuff and the great stuff is what it's all about. Lately she had to repeatedly choose between comforting me or comforting our daughter and she chose me. Maybe most women are like OP says, I wouldn't know, but don't just assume they all are or you might overlook the few actual nice ones who are out there.

Thank you for this. I really need to get this point through my head.

Be thankful to be a man and have the strength to deal with the shit life throws at you without needin to be lifted by those around you. I don't want to rely on anybody but myself.

Would it be nice to have a woman that understands and keeps the attraction at the same time? Absolutely. But I'm glad it's not something that's expected or needed toget by.

There really is no haven for us.

What is the point

My interesting experience:

I was seeing this girl for a few times before. I showed absolutely no weaknesses while seeing her in person, held my frame all the time, was a rock. We haven't seen each other for a long time and I missed her a lot, my beta behavior kicked in.

So I chatted her up on facebook (I know) and I felt no real interest from her. Then I made a huge mistake I asked her whether she is happy with her life. She said that it is hard question, but she probably is. Then she asked me the same question back to come off as a caring human being. I said that I'm not happy with my life. She said that I should tell her and maybe she could help me. The mistake I made after that was fatal. I didn't even think and just started typing my problems.

Only after I hit enter I realized how much did I fuck up. She started typing something, but I reacted quickly and just typed: "Hahahah... got you!" before she wrote anything.

She then replied: "Omg, good one... Honestly, I really love that you never act like pussy. Every guy is just soft nowadays, I really miss you, your roughness and your DGAF attitude."

Girl just went full 180 in a couple of seconds. I saved my fucking ass.

I'm no robot, I have deep feelings. I'm happy, disappointed, angry, sad... But I don't show this to outside world. Every men should be like a rock, if you need to cry, do it alone. I'm no tough guy, I sometimes break down too, but nobody knows it and that's the most important thing.

We then continued to chat in more sexual way and we are seeing each other when I will have time.

I hope this subreddit never ceases to exist.

This is the age we live in, too often men will read through a few posts on a forum or social site then mix it around with their own (or what facebook has taught them) ideology add their 2 cents to the subject and present it as something tried and tested.

Save everyone some time and as most commenters have mentioned; shut up, keep your feelings to yourself. Read a FEW books, not just one. There are plenty to help you understand what TRP is about and like everything good, it takes time for most. Spend some time evolving your mind, theory and practice.

Women can't handle a true RP opinion on just about anything. Why? Because women can't handle the truth about how wrong they are, they eat up their own morals and accept what they feel to be the truth about any given scenario, that's why when you see these comical posts from women asking for advice they're asking other women to provide insight. "Please tell me why my boyfriend, now ex, won't talk to me after I asked for an open relationship, I'm losing my mind".. or "I broke up with my bf because he wouldn't take me out, I found out later that he has a ton of money, I'm not a gold digger but isn't he supposed to want to buy me things with that money, why isn't he answering my calls or texts anymore?" Read a book and have your life changed, start with The Rational Male, it's a good starting point. It'll save you from commenting filth and diminishing the good that is this sub.

The OP said it best "There is no reason, at all, ever, to discuss your feelings with a woman. Firstly it's a waste of your time because they don't care (they get no validation or attention from it after all), and secondly it does irreparable harm to your frame and SMV, and is a sure fire way to render any vagina as dry as the sahara in minutes." The next time a woman wants to talk about feelings tell her to talk to one of her girlfriends, she'll thank you later for it.

You can show emotions around women, as long as these emotions are reasserting your dominant, masculine, primal and passionate side. But never make a mistake of showing emotional or mental weakness, because even though she will appear to be compassionate, deep down inside she will lose respect for you.