Summary
Vice report from the UK travels around the US in search of what makes an American man a man.
It's hard to stomach the entire video.
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The New Wave of American Masculinity
The Gluttonous Alpha Male
Right off the bat the reporter plays off the tried and true stereotype of American's and finds some overweight guy that competes in eating contests. The guy claims eating a shit ton of food and not taking care of your body is a very manly tradition for Americans. He got the tradition part right, not the manly part unfortunately. It's funny that the over weight beta even makes fun of the reporter.
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The RP Doctor
Next up is Dr Edward M. Stephens, an internationally-recognized physician and psychiatrist. The only actual man in this entire video. Using logic, neurology and science to prove his points. Not what he 'feels' masculinity is. Unfortunately his segment is short and edited to only show his statements, not his explanations, great attempt to soundbite him into a old misogynist that doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Never mind he has a doctorate and dedicates his life to the study. At the end he notices the loaded question about stay at home dads and eloquently mocks it but in a PC fashion. He knows the status quo.
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Stay at Home Dads
Now we get to stay at home dads. Personally i respect dedicating yourself to your child, unfortunately any boys being raised by these men are going to have a rude awaking when they get to the age of trying to bang girls with parental figures that teach them to be women.
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Gay Is the New Way
Then we have Ray Rigoglioso, the auther of 'Gay Men and The New Way Forward'. His spin is he believes gay men are the path to a better society due to their unique ability to embrace both masculine and feminine traits. Now, I have read that gay men typically have a much higher IQ than their straight counter parts so this is an interesting spin I've never heard before. However i have no idea on it's factual validity or if he's just spewing self promotion to further book sales and making a living for himself. If anything, take from this guy that he's found a niche in our market. He's targeted a unique value in himself and he's effectively monetized it.
Edit: I really don't even know why this is in the video. It doesn't really have any correlation to the core concept and would be better off as it's own video. Except that /u/FLFTW16 pointed out that the 3 producers, are women, the researcher was a woman and 2 of the 3 editors are women. Gotta perpetuate feminism is better, right babe? I guess you can take another lesson on how not to do propaganda.
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Boys 2.0
Lastly we have 'The Bravehearts'. A group of males, dare I say men, reverting back to boyhood to 'embrace' there true masculinity in a happy, huggy environment. There is even one ex-alpha. he states he use to bang chicks, was awesome at his career, traveled around the world and for whatever reason stopped all that. He comments that he "crashed and burned". Unfortunately we don't get to see what made him crash and burn.
They end the evening by doing a bunch or random, childish gestures to connect with their inner boy. I wish i could ask them, "Ya, didn't we do this... when we where boys?" If your idea of connecting with masculinity is to emulate your 8 year old self, you are utterly lost.
The best part of watching this is I had my plate over. Somewhere along the video the reporter states, "I'd like to have children some day". My plate immediately says, "This dude should never reproduce". Not a coincident that she's an extremely feminine girl and realizes what makes a man attractive and what doesn't. We live in a generation raised by separated parents or boys that have absolutely no masculine figure. The disparity between the men that get how to be attractive and masculine vs this next generation raised my men like this will only increase this divide. The 80% if this trend continues will probably be 90-95% by the next generation.
To bad these guys can't just pick up a history book, reflect on the last 7000 years of written history, study any depiction of a man in art through the centuries or read a book on biology and sexual dimorphism to see what makes a male attractive vs what doesn't. I guess they at least found happiness or some semblance of it. They just won't be climbing above what society has designed them for. Cog's make the world go round. At least they are blissfully ignorant of that fact.
Lessons Learned
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Most men are utterly lost
This is the 80% we have to compete with
A good lesson on how not to be a man
chief66red 7y ago
The only reason gays get further ahead is because they don't have to deal with women they way we do
richardleosimones 8y ago
My uncle is a stay at home dad, and i can honestly say hes the most alpha dude i know.
Zamba_Zazz 8y ago
Notice how they never mentioned what the sex life of any of these stay at home dads was like. Something tells me the editor didn't want us to know the answer.
excaliboor 8y ago
Poor Gavin McInnes, his heart must be broken when he sees what Vice has come to be
TRPApprentice 8y ago
VICE has really gone down the drain
symaine39 8y ago
Before watching this documentary, read this article:
Russian Soldier Calls in Airstrike on Self When Surrounded by ISIS
Now watch the video...particularly, when watching the last section ("The Bravehearts"), keep this question in mind:
Are these the sort of "men" who would call in a fucking airstrike on themselves if surrounded, pinned down by murderous gun fire, and certain to be captured or killed by a ruthless enemy?"
The answer is a resounding... NO.
The West is going to lose the Third World War...
TRP_Minor 8y ago
Was Vice always this shitty?
NADER_THE_GATOR 8y ago
The look on the doctor's face when the reporter suggests gender is a social construct is priceless
edit : right around 6:15
foldpak111 8y ago
Sometimes I can't even stomach how sexist towards men our society is. Our nation is doomed.
returnofthemack2 8y ago
man vice has gotten so shitty. I'm so sick of society's obsession with vilifying masculinity and turning men into women. Why cant men be men?
cashan0va_007 8y ago
So I was reading this article on illuminatiwatcher.com the other day. It's how the powers that be are trying to push a transhumanist or androgynous agenda. They want families divided. They want gender neutral. Think about it, if they crucify the image of the masculine man, and say it's not cool to be a strong alpha male, they are getting rid of their opposition. You think a beta male will die for his belief? You think a beta male will challenge the system? Hardly... I think they are trying to abolish the alpha male. It's all planned out.
Anything that is natural they hate. As a Christian I think Satan is the divider. He divides families from each other, divided communities, races, cities, countries. Whenever I see this division, I think it's Satans work. And I see a lot of it. It's everywhere these days. And it has gotten worse over the last 20 years. Things weren't this bad in the mid-90's. I'm 31 now and the world has changed so much. They used to value strong men, now it's looked down upon.
BallisticTherapy 8y ago
Personally I think religion is the original blue pill, but you do realize Satan is a personification of all the natural urges & primal natures that the Church seeks to control in order to consolidate power, right? They put a leash on your balls and say you have to go through them to get the key. Islam does the same thing - that's why there are so many sexually repressed young people joining ISIS as an outlet.
[deleted] 8y ago
Why does shit like this piss me off so much??!!
nabosch 8y ago
Fat out of shape slob literally eating like a pig with food smothered on his face and hands like a 2 year old child asking “Don’t you feel more manly now?” after it’s gone.
Fat out of shape stay home dad who probably gets 2 blowjobs a year from his pants wearing wife and the other career-less men at the park
The “Bravehearts” Jesus. The long awkward hugs, the prancing through the woods holding hands, what the fuck? “The new masculine”
If you're RP, the world is your oyster. Go get it.
Penguin327 8y ago
I can almost guarantee you that the Stay at Home Dad's wife is cheating on him.
gonorealover 8y ago
No shit
Why do you think women encourages men to be like this ?
They want the Alpha fuck AND the betabux . All women know this . It is why they push men to be effeminate while they keep their black bull hidden away from their husbands .
I have no respect for men who get married . They deserve this for being fucking blind and oblivious .
makechangegreatagain 8y ago
Great write up. Although I think it's completely possible for a stay at home dad to raise his kids correctly and show his sons a "masculine" identity. Maybe the dad has a woodshop in the garage or runs his business in the home office.
Also the part about reconnecting with your 8 year old self.. Given I didn't watch the video; but I personally do stuff like this a lot in my leisure time. Skateboarding, cycling, pick up game of basketball at the court etc.. I did all this stuff when I was 8 and still do as a 26 year old.
Typical feminist propaganda. But the reason why this shit gets funded is because of the silver linings of such a product "OMG! Look how stupid this is! Let's get outraged by it!" Not saying OP has this opinion, since we talk about this stuff at TRP, but you get the gist..
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
Definitely, but the these guys definitely strikes me as not that type.
Unholy_VI 8y ago
For sure.
The guys in the video weren't rebuilding Harleys in the garage. They were housewives.
hhex 8y ago
It really is amazing to see the generational differences in ways of thinking. That doctor was the only one who looked comfortable in his own skin, because he was the only one who understood how the world works.
maldittoduende 8y ago
Dear mother of God! Vice doesn't bother hiding their propaganda anymore. They should've titled the video "Mangina: The movie" It's not enough the left destroys the next generation of men with the drugs they give our boys for being boys, they also must attempt to destroy what's left of us masculine adults. I can't help but think the United States of America will be wiped out of existence by radical Muslims in my lifetime.
They are turning our men into faggots. Our boys into obedient androids, and not the cool kind of android capable of destruction, but the "go do the dishes, change diapers and not question your existence" kind of android. They are trying very hard to take our weapons so we won't revolt, they are trying to convince us a mediocre physique, to say the least, must be the norm (that dadbod bullshit) They talk about chipping out children, the NSA knows everything you say, text, email... The list goes on
I can't help but think these people are the opposition in disguise. At some point in history this nation was infiltrated by those who hate us and everything that makes us great. There's no other possible explanation. I refuse to believe this is all the product of stupidity. There's clearly a bigger agenda here than getting free shit and protecting women and betas' feefees.
Please, pass me one of those tinfoil hats. I think I need one.
Finally, I hate to be pedantic, by why do you all seem to get this wrong?
WomAn: singular
WomEn: plural
Alpacash 8y ago
Was that a Rich Piano reference to confuse the redpillers?
the_mighty_mango 8y ago
the comments gave me a little hope
TheMightyMooseKing 8y ago
the documentary should rather be called: The New Wave Of American "Masculinity"
Strike48 8y ago
The only somewhat rational fucking person in that video is that old man around the 7 minute mark.
The rest of the video already seems like its full of betas.
wolfraisedbysheep 8y ago
That "Bravehearts" segment was expert level cringe... I felt like I was watching a Mr. Show sketch.
new_user1147 8y ago
I tried to watch... I really did. But it lost me at mansplained
benczi 8y ago
Dear God, The Bravehearts, they took a great concept and perverted it.
Funny thing is, I'm also in a men's group called Bravehearts. We meet every second week. The basic idea is that of the mastermind group (Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich), except that we focus on the lessons from The way of the superior man by David Deida.
The group is lead by a leader for four session, after which he selects the next leader. I was selected to lead this month, and I can tell you one thing: leading grown men is not a walk in the park.
The idea of having men's groups is good. The purpose and content of a group is what defines it; have a clear and well defined purpose, work on having quality content, and you could have an amazing group of red pill men.
ClimbingTehLadder 8y ago
That's really interesting. Would you mind going in to a little more detail on what you do for the sessions? All I can picture based on what you've said is some sort of campfire book club - I mean no disrespect.
benczi 8y ago
We're doing it once every 2 weeks. We start the session with a warm-up, some exercises, or some meditation, or whatever the current leader chooses, then we do a check-in, the part where each of us is/what we are doing with our lives, get feedback/suggestions from the other men on what to do. In the second part we do an exercise that's connected with one of the lessons from the book, for example, one of the first exercises is to help find your purpose, since as men we need to know and work on our purpose; what I'm doing this week is have the members take note of all the time they are spending with women/the feminine, specifically time that's wasted, where they feel they should have been doing something else, something related to their purpose. At the meeting we will go through the notes, and for each men set a condition they must do before they waste time again. The lessons are like this in general. Each lesson tries to make you change little by little to work more on your greater purpose in life, and waste less time in general. There's a curriculum, a workbook with the lessons, exercises and homework for each lesson. Not sure where to get it from though.
Verve11 8y ago
This is a great idea. How did that get started?
benczi 8y ago
There was a workshop, like this one: http://www.eliburen.com/intimacy-workshop-eli-buren, some of the men from the workshop decided to do the men's group I've detailed in the above comment. The two guys who helped Eli with setting up the workshop organized the first meetings, booked the place, set the time, and led the meetings.
RedPill_FightClub 8y ago
This is either nauseating, or hilarious, I'm not sure which. But I'll say this, it sure does make it easy. It's nice to know that we essentially have no competition.
bromyiqis900 8y ago
How about we don't pretend every generation of males doesn't have millions of beta feminine pussies?
Who is to blame for education, mind control through pills, etc? is it women? NO, it's the same people it's always been, the weak men using schemes (and brilliant ones) for control of those they could never compete against directly.
I'm not trying to make game of thrones a fucking documentary, but since most of you likely watch it, how many scheming little bitch men are there in that show trying to take down the strong alpha killers getting all the pussy?
This is how it has always been.
Icaria25 8y ago
Smartness is a way to win the game. I never saw one episode of game of thrones so i'm not taking this from your negative-framed point of view, so i'll give my own one.
Odyssey: Ulisses vs Polifemo. Would you consider Ulisses more alpha if he took a club and swinged it around the giant ? no, he would be a retard. His alphaness and leadership obviously didn't came from his physical or warrior abilities but from his mental ones.
Most leaders of men weren't that big if not in savage settings where the best warrior was automatically the best leader. Instead ways of visualizing solutions, plan for them etc was considered more desirable for kings and emperors.
That's not to say bravery and physical aptness are to discard, just it's not all valuable about males there is.
And most of all, the Alpha who just takes all the pussy available is actually quite retarded in a limited social setting. A gronk if you want.
If you are in a tribe of 10 men and 10 women and you take them all you are basically asking to get killed and likely will be. An alpha is a leader; not a malicious tyrant. In this setting a real alpha would just take the best woman ( the fair prize ). If he's particularly amoral maybe even the 2 ( well the other better 2, then slide down ) for the bottom guys who can't retaliate since he still hold allies in the other 7/10.
No man is a giant and people who believe they can just fuck over others for being "bigger and better" usually get wiped from the gene pool. Unless they continously plan to kill/enslave physically any guy they see which makes life a continue bloodshed.
That's the only plan available for someone who is willing to take all teh pussy should it be offered to him.
And since i know there is a good counterpoint to my argument "so why is this behaviour still in the genepool" i'd say there were times this kind of man could be very successful - when groups constantly made war on each other, this guy could probably avoid getting killed in battle and fuck the surplus left of women ( think Gengis Khan ), and still be respected for his war leadership. Remove that necessity, and he gets shot in the back fast.
Beastrik 8y ago
I blame our president Barack O' Beta.
ghee99 8y ago
yup, they try to (falsely) make being a man seem like some sort of "lower class" activity that they, as the elite and effete types are just too cultured to engage in. in reality, they are just giving up, and resigning themselves to their beta nature.
meanwhile here in liberal California, as yet one more example of the attempts to eliminate true masculinity, they blocked a bill to honor John Wayne.
http://www.fox5ny.com/entertainment/134455698-story
Moot_dred 8y ago
My favorite comment is "I'm gay and even I'm not as much as a faggot as most of the guys in this video"
Faps2Down_Votes 8y ago
Fuck em. I'll just bang their girlfriend.
play_time_is_over 8y ago
Its okay to be a stay at home dad as long as you're a work at home dad.
Traditionally every dad was a stay at home dad. Because he would stay at home to work on his farm. Or his blacksmith/shop would double as his home.
Hell my sensei is technically a stay at home dad, but he is also the families sole source of income working from home - if you can call it that.
The issue isn't staying at home, the issue is not be the leader of your family.
TheVictor333 8y ago
I truly think, that the fastest way for a man to grow more masculine is through conflict. More specifically, fighting. I bet if you asked any of the dudes in the video if they've ever been in a fight, a majority of them would say "no."
I think Chuck Palahniuk (ironically, he's gay), the author of Fight Club was on to something when he had Tyler Durden's character telling dudes to go out and pick a fight with anybody.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
The only way to grow is through conflict. Mentally or physically. Look at Trigglypuff. That's what happens when you are incapable of progressing past conflict. You are stuck as a child.
Look at every successful man ever and it will be a man that's confronted conflict a thousand times over. The only difference is how you process the conflict. You either reflect, throw away your ego, see your fuck ups, improve and innovate a new way, or you don't and you learn nothing.
Conflict is only a catalyst. revelation is being self aware enough and discarding your ego to improve and become better.
MortalSisyphus 8y ago
Absolutely. Struggle promotes growth. And that is equally true for muscles as it is for the mind.
People who avoid conflict, who avoid debates, who avoid any uncomfortable confrontation, mostly end up weak and ignorant.
herewegoaga1n 8y ago
Yeah, society tries to neuter boys in school. You play too rough, pay attention, here's some pills...
Is it any wonder there are high suicide rates, shitty betas, keyboard white knights, and crazy bitches as far as the eye can see?
This is the end of the society that raised us. The next generation is fucked.
npath 8y ago
I'm 21 and I see it all around me. The most I can do for our future is raise my kids properly.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
See, this is what I don't like about the message a lot of guys are taking from this. Some chicken little, sky is falling attitude. also one very sympathetic to the world being out to get you, and it's not your fault.
Fuck that. Sure, the greatest generation had men showing them how to be men, they also had to go fight germans and the commies. Life isn't worse, it's just no longer a dangerous, simple path, but a fuzzy, safe one.
Society does nothing, and thats the point. You ain't shit, life is treating you like you aint shit, and its your job to become shit.
The generations will be like most others. a few losers, a large amount of average, muddling through life, and a few winners.
TheScattMan 8y ago
Fuck yes! This has been my outlook lately. I tell myself 'Even if the whole world goes to shit, I'll be okay. I'm adaptable.' I try not to be completely apathetic towards the issues, but at the same time I'm not going to catastrophize them. Especially with feminazis, I tell myself 'Even if the world turns into a feminist playground, I can be the Chad they all want to fuck.'
RP_Vergil 8y ago
Agree, life isn't about knowing which tracks would contain Animals that see you as meals anymore. Society created a safe haven from predators of the food chain, but not for the Mind.
We do not have as much challenges anymore. We're told that it's ok to cry, it's ok to say what makes us scared, it's ok to be Weak because evil men are the ones who want us to be fearless so we can become those evil men ourselves and continue the cycle.
Rampancy of Porn, varieties of Porn, homemade Porn, live stream, HD Porn and even more, removes even our only other primal urges away from us (Food and safety is covered). When we realize that choking the chicken doesn't satisfy us anymore we start to desire relationship with Woman, but porn and TV Shows/Movies doesn't teach us right, Websites about "How to love a Woman" written by a Woman made many believed it's the right way since "it's written by a Woman aftera all".
Stifle of chances to learn when growing up, many Man only learned it through the hard way, many fell and turned into movements like the Herbivore Males in Japan, worse becomes reclusive Hikikomori (Home Staying Social Rejection) and only trawl the internet to relieve their need for social interaction. It's not just Japan, it's slowly appearing in other countries as well. As it normalized, it'll just be treated as a "Natural" way for people to behave in this current society and soon be neglected.
We are in an era where it could be worse than before, where the weaker people could have a chance at improving after a live and death situation, now the path of least resistance is merely to just give up, satisfying their basic needs easily like having meals out of a box instead of taking effort to prepare a wholesome meal.
It's either we pull ourselves out of this deep end shit hole, or we just let it slowly drown us out. The Option is entirely up to us. Live, or Rot away your days.
Fielder57 8y ago
Spend some time on askmen, Almost every other question is dating or sex related, There are entire truckload of questions in there for 25 year old men who have never spent a night with a girl and groups of other men in the same situation group hugging and patting each other on the back for basically being pathetic. It can be an absolute shit-show. An entire demographic of men without a clue how to fuck. I don't think the next generation is fucked......YET. We are a generation where scores of Men and Women signed up to fight two wars in my nation (UK) and yours (US). There are certainly still real men from this generation but there is also a loud-mouthed minority (Or Majority) of pussies out there who want everyone to shame real men because, well i assume, they cannot be real men themselves and want to level the playing field. We need to work out how to put a stop to this before it does untold damage to the following Generation. The world is not a soft place, Children should be raised to realise this.
SlightlyCritical 8y ago
I went to askmen and read the first post that interested me called "Guys, what is the most sociopathic/psychopathic thing you have ever done?". The top comment was a woman responding with her totally shocking sex scandal followed by a dude who stole a parking space once.
Fielder57 8y ago
Welcome to how the other half live buddy. Sad people living mediocre lIves desperately hoping to find someone to marry and breed with while they grow old on a resentful sexless marriage.
SlightlyCritical 8y ago
I actually saw some reasonably sound advice on there, but it only seems to survive if their women users, who they absolute adore, don't show up and refute it.
Fielder57 8y ago
I've been trying to give good advice on there for the younger guys but I just get down voted if I say anything that doesn't follow the opinion of the majority rule of Virgins and frustrated beta males.
Moneyley 8y ago
here's some pills
This is what I find the most hurtful to society. Unnecessary rx's for both men and women have caused an incremental decline in cognitive abilities and self awareness.
Zoloft (sertraline) is an antidepressant in a group of drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Sertraline affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with depression, panic, anxiety, or obsessive-compulsive symptoms.
Imagine your son at school, laser focused. Continuously gets A's in class, finishes his work before the other kids and thus attempts to keep himself busy by talking to some of them. Instead of considering to have the student skip a grade or give him/her more challenging work. The teacher (programmed by today's society), decides that the student needs to be put on some medicine. He/she is just too hyperactive and needs to be leveled out to where the rest of the students are... This is now a life that has been fucked with, the next CEO of the world has been left in 3rd grade.
Inversely, you may have a quiet kid. He/she doesn't say much, pretty passive but breaks all the rules. Calls out the teacher on stuff she makes up. Only talks when he/she deems the comment will be constructive and or needs explanation. The teacher assesses that he/she is not paying attention in class. She is clearly giving the answers but this student just doesn't get it.. the student needs help focusing.
Adderall contains a combination of amphetamine and dextroamphetamine. Amphetamine and dextroamphetamine are central nervous system stimulants that affect chemicals in the brain and nerves that contribute to hyperactivity and impulse control.
Adderall is used to treat narcolepsy and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
Adderall may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide
This teacher just kept the next Mark O' Mara from winning a worldwide court case.
Would we have a Shakespeare if his superiors thought his poetry was too tragic? Einstein on Adderall because he needs to focus on tying his shoe laces like the rest of the boys. My boyhood hero was Joe Montana. I read that he would throw a football through a swinging tire for hours even after dark. Would he be deemed obsessive compulsive?
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logicalthinker1 8y ago
Lol if the kid is getting A's and finishing his work, no one is putting him on pills. Kids with ADD struggle in school.
neoj8888 8y ago
Because of how dull it is. It seems to struggle in school is to be the more natural child seeing how unnatural modern schooling is. Confining children who are full of energy to low-grade clerical work all day is about as unnatural as it gets.
eye_drive 8y ago
My parents ruined my life with apathy.
On Effexor in the 6th grade. Citalapram by 7th, because all the kids on Effexor were killing themselves. The reason for the prescription? Depression. The cause of the depression? Shit awful apathetic parents with no clue how to parent a child. I was overweight and completely worthless as a teen. I don't even remember when I stopped taking the medication officially, sometime in highschool. Too obsessed with playing WoW every night to really remember much of that period.
Now I'm 24 with a defunct brain and loose skin from all the weight I had gained during that period.
FYI, raised by mostly my mother while my father worked all day then played on the computer when he came home at night, opting to spend his paycheck on fast food every night instead of braces for his children.
Now I feel like a shell of what a human being can be, and every day is spent coping with the reality that I'll always be behind where I should be developmentally. I struggle with suicidal ideation every day because of the stretched skin and overall apathy towards anything I could possibly make of myself.
MOCKxTHExCROSS 8y ago
Here's a positive thought. Your brain adapted to the drugs. It can adapt to being without them as well. Find the things that are most difficult and practice those. You will get better with time.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
Knock it off. You can't control the past. You can control the future. Every second you spend worrying about the past is less time for you to control the future.
TheScattMan 8y ago
Without getting too personal, did you have siblings growing up? I also had very apathetic mom and step dad, and a Disney dad I saw once or twice a year, but I had 2 sisters around the same age and I think we kept each other sane in some weird way. Don't get me wrong, I got my own problems (but fuck it, their mine now and I'm not gonna blame my parents for them), but my relationship with my siblings was closer than with my parents (my relationship with my mom and dad is closer now, maybe being distant for 6 years in some weird way made us closer, and I accepted to take a lead in trying to have relationship)
Edit: I have SAME exact story of my childhood.. parents playing video game all day, not caring about our school, not being mentors, not taking initiative to get us braces (even when they had good insurance).... dude I feel like I've ALWAYS been a late bloomer, but you can't let that stop you. It's not a race, we are all going to die the same way. If I see a 30 year old, going to college, I respect the fuck out of that person, etc.
eye_drive 8y ago
Hey man. I do have a sister, she's a couple years younger than I. Unfortunately, we don't really get along much. We're amicable these days, but due to our upbringing (my mother let her get away with anything she she treated me like shit for 16 years) we're not too close.
That said, I really appreciate your response. It helps to know that there are others out there who've gone through similar situations. Thanks for checking in and I sincerely appreciate the support.
Lo-G 8y ago
Take you charge. The only person who can fix this is you.
eye_drive 8y ago
I'm working on it. It's a long road.
Moved out on the last day of highschool (my mother actually kicked me out so her boyfriend could move his stuff into my room - parents divorced when I was 17). I went from just under 300lbs to a current 180 (after struggling with an eating disorder that put me into the mid 130's). Working on socializing and right now I know my focus needs to be on reading more and talking to people. I have a small group of friends that are very important to me but I would like to expand upon this.
Every day is a struggle, I have to work against the way my brain thinks. There are good days and bad days, of course, but it's all challenging, and I wouldn't ever expect it not to be in the future. It's just hard some days to even maintain.
I'm working on becoming a better man, and it's going to take me the rest of my life.
Lo-G 8y ago
As far as I see you still aren't owning up to yourself. The eating disorder (call it anorexia in the future if that's what you had, euphemisms are for people who can't look reality in the face) didn't take away your weight. You took it away by letting yourself get in a position where you could GET an eating disorder. There are no bad and good days. The world and the way it treats you don't change fundamentally from one day to the next. There's just your inner state of being (which YOU and YOU ONLY are responsible for) changing day by day. The way you talk you still shift responsibilty to others. Being a man is taking responsibility for everything concerning yourself. Being alpha is taking responsibility for others too (leading).
Moneyley 8y ago
I dk, I give him credit. Seems like part of what he is doing is venting all the shit he went through. I dont see that as excuses. He came here for a reason.
Personally, I haven't even taken an aspirin in over a decade, not even an advil for pain. A while back a nurse I spoke with told me that all the shit we take (pills, intravenous meds) stay in your system for a while. Then your system has a hard time acclimating without the rx's hence the addiction. With all the garbage his parents gave him for such a long time; its like he's doing a total rewire. Wish him good luck!
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massivewang 8y ago
The idea that the neglect he experienced from his parents, and the subsequent effects it has had on his development are somehow his own fault is absurd. He is most definitely behind the curve as a result of this experience.
As far as I can see he is self aware and knows that he has to work and is responsible for improving his life. With that said it's rational that he would feel depressed and hopeless at times given the pit he has to dig himself out of.
At any rate don't give up buddy. You will have to play the long game, it will take years, but you can come out ahead. Keep taking steps forward, no matter how small. You'll improve with time and you really never know what can happen and what opportunities/experiences will come your way.
Lo-G 8y ago
Where does it stop? We are the product of our education and our genetics, which for the vast majority come from our parents. You can rightly blame your parents for almost everything that happens to you. Just the same way you could blame the random mathematical ways of the universe, or you could blame god. In the end it doesn't matter. If you don't shoulder the blame you won't find a long-lasting solution to your internal problems.
massivewang 8y ago
It ends at the point where he has to decide what to do with the hand he has been dealt.
He most certainly has to take ownership of his life and move forward, because that's the only way he'll ever get out of the pit he's in. With that said, the reason he's in that pit to begin with isn't entirely his fault.
What he does in the pit now, is up to him.
Frietjeman 8y ago
It doesn't matter who is to blame. Pointing fingers gets you nowhere. It's about how you deal with the cards you're dealt.
massivewang 8y ago
You don't pick you cards is all I'm saying and being dealt 2/7 is a fuck ton more difficult to deal with than pocket Aces.
That's all I'm saying. He's got a long hard road, he's taking ownership, at the same time he's acknowledging he's got a bad hand and he's working out from a deficit.
niczar 8y ago
I take it you're talking about ADHD.
For fuck's sake.
The pills are fucking SPEED.
They're not tranquilizers. They actually boost focus and motivation, as well as increasing physical performance, which is why they are forbidden to professional athletes.
verify_account 8y ago
Someone here actually understands ADHD for once.
DocForcekin 8y ago
I see what you're saying, and technically you're right. However, ADD/ADHD medicine suppress social motivation and energy. They can grind hard on studying or work, enthusiastically so, but the kids don't give a fuck about playing or socializing, which is hugely detrimental to the development of kids and teens. I remember in a last ditch effort to get me to be a better pupil, my mother asked me to try her 20mg amphetamine salts (Adderall), I got a lot better with my studies, but I turned into a apathetic zombie. I would sit in my room and stare at the wall if I didn't have anything to do. My room was clean as fuck though.
NADER_THE_GATOR 8y ago
Idk man me and all my other friends that take adderall recreationally take it because it make us social as fuck and your game is so on point when you're on addies its unbelievable(similar to cocaine). Every friend that has tried it in a social situation with girls has realized that theres a chad inside of them that addies bring out. Obviously its nothing to depend on and should only be taken on occasion, but point being addies actually make you extremely talkative and social, all uppers do, especially if mixed with alcohol
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
They do stifle creativity though. Creativity is birthed from exploration and randomness. if you take a drug designed to improve focus for the majority of your youth, the time in your life you are the most curious, yes you'll excel at specific things, like the school system training you to be cog.
I've see a major correlation in all my peers since graduation. Almost non of them can think abstractly, create or produce original content or think outside the box. Great for following orders and being told what to do. Horrible if you want to step off the beaten path and make your own way.
Not saying speed is bad, but it is abused and used in a way to control the children. Not letting them explore and become their own individual.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
Well shit, if you've seen it in some friends I guess that's the end of that discussion. I mean that was almost too scientific.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Create a universe off the adhd pills, bring it to life in them. That's how I've been getting through my writing exercises as of late.
Casanova-Quinn 8y ago
As a guy who has ADHD and takes meds for it, let me say the dose amount is an important factor. I have been on high and low doses in order to figure out what's right for me. I currently take a dosage that helps me focus, but doesn't turn me into a "zombie". Anyone taking ADHD meds should experiment with different dosages. A good doctor should be open to trying a range of doses as well.
pfffft_comeon 8y ago
i vary my dose. higher doses when i sit down to read something dense works because i can stop the irrelevant noise in my head and juggle abstract concepts for a longer period of time. a lower dose and i can focus better and still be creative when i write. no dose and i can let my mind wander from subject to subject making associations.
this medicine isn't supposed to be used 24/7 to take care of a kid's "discipline" problems, but people unfamiliar with the drug probably treat it that way thus you see the attitudes toward it evidenced in this thread. it's purpose isn't something to get you to pay attention when you're bored at work/school, but it definitely is used that way and can be beneficial in that context. it's not really its purpose though.
niczar 8y ago
You could be right, but "creativity" is a very subjective quality. Self-discipline however is rather straightforward, and I can speak from experience when I say that it's severely impacted by ADHD, and definitely helped a lot by stimulants.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
It takes a proper ying and yang. I was definitely a kid that 'should' have been on ritalin or adderall. I was the kid always asking, "why". Always getting into trouble, really creative, failed all my classes cause i couldn't focus. I struggled a lot with self-disipline but luckly I had a strong father figure that taught me right once i was about 14-15. If i was raised by my mother alone I'd be fucked right now. It takes a strong male figure to teach a boy how to become a man.
Personally I'd never trade all my failures and weaknesses in exchange for more self-discipline and a more 'success' in k-12. It's easy to learn discipline, hard to start thinking abstractly. I can do and figure out things in my career that most people utterly fail at. It's given me a unique niche that I've exploited to good effect.
From a purely statistical standpoint I'd suggest never giving your boy drugs for focusing. Merely because everyone else is doing that to their kids now. If you want to be successful you have to stand out from the crowd. The majority will be adderall driven, the minority will stick out and be able to do things the majority can't. Your uniqueness is what separates you and gives you value you can sell to others. And since you are reading this, you probably will be a fairly good masculine figure for your child which shouldn't be a problem raising him from a boy into a man.
Edit: Here is a great video on the childhood of Steve Wozniak, the founder of Apple. Imagine what his child hood would have been like if they forced adderall down his throat to focus more in school. Imagine what he would have turned out like.
RP_Vergil 8y ago
If by allowing Greater "Focus" on materials that aren't right to begin with, don't you think it's going to be worse? Much like kids growing up in an environment which is flooded by Blue Pill knowledge, the more he absorb this information the more he is entrenched in it. Instead of allowing him to think freely and challenge the information force fed into his mind.
I've seen a whole slew of Graduates who only knew the "Right" way of doing things is the way they did it to please the professor in college. Going extra mile in it claiming any other methods are wrong and jaw dropped to see it worked better than how they think.
If the Focus given is on the right stuff (Studying and understanding of fundamental laws of sciences or other neutral subjects) then we could have the possibility to see more "creativity" explored by those who dare take the knowledgeable to another level.
niczar 8y ago
It's definitely going to be worse. But the thing is, with severe enough ADHD it gets extremely frustrating doing even the things you love. And it can become nearly impossible to adapt to even slightly frustrating situations.
Look, without ADHD meds I can't even sit still in a business meeting. Business meetings are usually mostly useless, but you have to do the song and dance from time to time to have a career.
RP_Vergil 8y ago
I'll agree it's useful when the Point of Application is required, not when it's simply handed out to kids like candies handed out during Halloween.
p3n1x 8y ago
This is where the problem lies. This is what is "subjective". If your pills are so good, why not let all children take them?
niczar 8y ago
I didn't even argue they should be given in the first place. I was just pointing the sad ignorance implied by the snarky comment I was replying to.
p3n1x 8y ago
Yeah, thats why I deleted the comment, I missed the context
Tipsy_Gnostalgic 8y ago
If Insulin injections are good for diabetics, why not administer them to everyone?
p3n1x 8y ago
Diabetes is a proven "bad" thing. ADHD is not proven to be detrimental to ones overall health. Oranges to Apples argument.
niczar 8y ago
Unmedicated ADHD sufferers are twice as likely to be involved in traffic accidents than the rest of the population.
With medication, it goes nearly back to normal.
Go ahead, enlighten us as to the unsung benefits of wrapping your car around a tree.
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NADER_THE_GATOR 8y ago
Have you seen people with real adhd? True its a highly overdiagnosed problem, but people who actually have it, some of them can barely function
p3n1x 8y ago
Keyword: Some What is the actual percentage?
niczar 8y ago
The DSM puts it at about 5%.
Tipsy_Gnostalgic 8y ago
If a person suffers academically or professionally because of ADHD, wouldn't you call that "bad"?
p3n1x 8y ago
Suffering academically shows the failure in the system, not the person.
Tipsy_Gnostalgic 8y ago
Is it your stance that students are never responsible for performing poorly in school? Because a few potheads from highschool come to mind...
p3n1x 8y ago
Is your stance to argue like a women?
Anyone ever tried giving "potheads" Lisdexamfetamine ? Is it possible the answer is "yes", because they were treated for ADHD first and then became "potheads"?
Tipsy_Gnostalgic 8y ago
It's called the Socratic Method, not that you would know that.
Someone needs to get rid of their tinfoil hat. Guess what? Big pharma isn't to blame for every failed student. Let me know when you return to reality.
the_trumanshower 8y ago
Just saw this video last night, utterly disappointed in VICE. Glad to see it was down voted to hell.
quieroser 8y ago
Brace yourselves for more of this BS. If (and it seems like a likely outcome these days) our next president is a woman, the media will be flooded with similar nonsense for 4 (possibly 8) years.
thisornothing 8y ago
The video was ridiculous, skewed to a world view that isn't even slightly based on facts.
What I don't get, is the wave of dislike there seems to be here from Americans for anyone from Europe. I'm from Scotland, and it honestly strikes me as a bizarre, petty and childish way to behave. Man the fuck up and stop projecting your insecurities.
FLFTW16 8y ago
Producer: Elizabeth Skadden Producer: Adri Murguia Associate Producer: Annelise Ogaard Associate Producer: Rachel Rapkin Researcher: Lily Ames
This VICE episode is a pathetic female attempt to understand something outside of their grasp. All of the major creators of this are women, which is why it's no surprise the host is a limp wrist faggy Brit. Two of the three editors were also women.
The one man they interviewed who had any science or hard data was given little time. When he talked about how boys need physical movement to learn better the FIRST thing out of the faggot's mouth was "would girls learn better by passing a ball?" He can't even fathom the necessity to improve conditions for boys who are failing and dropping out at ever alarming rates, and can only think in one axis: is this good for girls yes or no?
They didn't talk to a sports team. They didn't go to a gym. They didn't interview a military unit. They didn't visit a gun club/hunting lodge/fisherman club.
This is softcore propaganda, imagined and produced by women who don't know the first thing about masculinity but who nevertheless produce documentaries about it. SO SAD!
p3n1x 8y ago
It is typical media propaganda to show the "new" available options for men. If your agenda is to shoot down real masculinity, you surely do not advertise the things you dislike. No need to promote and put a good spin on what has been already happening for thousands of years.
Cmon_Just_The_Tip 8y ago
Lucky this shit got disliked into oblivion on YouTube
new_cummer 8y ago
You know it's propaganda when they only show one side of the picture.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
Just check the upvote/downvote on the youtube page. People aren't blind, they see the bullshit. Vice has gone down hill a lot these past years. There are still some good, unbiased and factual reports but it seems they are turning out more and more dog shit as they grow.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
Shouldn't have fired Gavin
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CQC3 8y ago
Yup. I've been seeing a LOT of Feminism/SJW/PC culture bashing on YT these days. It's great. As for how that will transition into the public realm I don't know. Flame retardant people such as Milo are going to have to take the heat and say shit that other people can't but want to in order to open the public discourse.
foldpak111 8y ago
Milo spoke of this. Slowly but surely people who see through the bullshit will be able to speak up. Why? We're winning.
TheScattMan 8y ago
Yah, I don't agree with Milo all the time, but that fabulous faggot is doing gods work.
Cashews4U 8y ago
I thought it was dangerous faggot
TheScattMan 8y ago
Depends on perspective. He is dangerous to some, fabulous to others.
marplaneit 8y ago
When they tried to mock a Med. PhD. with bullshit, made me wanna beat the fuck out of that ignorant phaggot reporter. What unrespectfull piece of shit he think he is. Clearly that old man reads more books in a year that this guy will in his whole life.
TheScattMan 8y ago
That dude was so scared about the possibility of the test showing he was gay. Looked like he saw a ghost.
Lsegundo 8y ago
Why does this make you so mad? The general population is being misdirected. You're here at TRP learning the truth. This gives you an advantage with women.
scholarly_pimp 8y ago
I couldn't even watch beyond the first take with the competitive eater... he was clearly mocking men and what he thinks America is. I hope no one watches this seriously
strps 8y ago
I get the impression that a large number of Europeans actually think that this is what being an American is about. It's really bizarre, under the guise of knowledgable cultural superiority they're willing to hold national prejudices without any real examination, and in this case even publish them. I'm not just talking out my ass either, this is exactly what people assumed about me when I lived there, from Ireland to Czech Republic, even though I'm low BF and in great shape. Really it just makes him look like an awful reporter/interviewer and a hipster asswipe as he mocks the people he is asking the assistance of to lampoon them.
Caucasian-African 8y ago
This is to make Europeans feel better about themselves. They never wonder why The US is so productive, if we're so lazy.
excaliboor 8y ago
Those socks tho
VictorEremitaK 8y ago
70% of americans are obese or overweight.
Alphaspire 8y ago
Regardless of the validity of whatever real or imagined study that came up with that stat, It's funny that people word things this way. It's like saying "100% of all convicts are rapists or committed some other crime". You're putting your spin on the stat to make it sound worse. Unless you're just regurgitating the information someone else put a spin on for you.
VictorEremitaK 8y ago
Implying being overweight is not a problem. Being obese is just overweight gone extreme.
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me_gusta_poon 8y ago
At 5'11 and 215 I'm obese and overweight. I can also deadlift 480+, snatch 170 over my head, and run two consecutive 6 1/2 minute miles. I look good too. What does overweight really even mean? I dont care to bring my BMI down because fuck you I like being huge af and women like big men.
I've travelled around the world and by far the most fit and athletic population on earth lives in America, along with the most overweight of course, but America is a land of extremes, and yes we have a lot of overweight ham beasts, but we also have the best athletes in the world, the largest sporting population on earth, and the most fitness concious people. I used to live in Scottsdale Arizona. Everyone is beautiful. I also used to travel a lot to Florida when I lived in Atlanta. Theyre fucking ugly. You just cant generalize about America this way(on a national level). An average statistic can only take you so far.
We also have the MOST obese country on earth to our south, which has exported over a third of its population and diet into our country which no doubt boosts our average.
The UK is pretty overweight too. Not far behind America yet these are the people you hear talking the most shit. ( I love my UK bros)
VictorEremitaK 8y ago
Of course I can generalize when 70% of americas population are overweight or obese. That means if I meet a random american they are more likely to be overweight/obese than a healthy weight.
That doesn't mean americans doesn't have fit people, or great people. Most of my idols are american. I wasn't talking about the intelligence, accomplishments or anything other than their weight.
me_gusta_poon 8y ago
When the so-called ideal weight for a 5'10 male is 150ish, and anything over is overweight, that puts a lot healthy, fit men in a category they dont belong.
If you meet a random American chances are you're going to meet a person you wouldnt call unhealthy or fat.
Like I said I'm 5'11 and 215. Im not fat, but apparently I'm "overweight". Most men with my frame are around 160 to 175 and I wouldnt say theyre unhealthy turds.
VictorEremitaK 8y ago
BMI doesn't account for muscle. It only really works on populations/large number of people. When the average person has a BMI over 25 it means he has too much fat on his body.
strps 8y ago
Not where I live. Or anywhere I've lived.
VictorEremitaK 8y ago
Doesn't matter. That's reality.
strps 8y ago
sounds more like a quote from some study somewhere, not sure if that counts as reality.
VictorEremitaK 8y ago
Look at the hamster go.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm
thefisherman1964 8y ago
You are mistaken, these women absolutely know about masculinity because they know what gives them tingles, and it's definitely not the betas in this movie. It's Chad Thundercock with his big muscles, blasting his pecs at the gym while these guys are prancing around in the woods holding hands.
As always with women, watch what they do, not what they say. Feminists encourage new wave masculinity, but their Alpha Fucks will always be Chad Thundercock.
RoninUnderground 8y ago
Their bodies know, their minds aren't aware of it. They are little more than animals masquerading as enlightened beings.
DamiensLust 8y ago
"Women are illogical, often act in direct contradiction to what they say and make decisions based on emotion" is not the same as "they are little more than animals". It feels like there's a RP consensus on the truth about women that gets seized upon by straight up misogynists that have to take it a step further.
aesthetic-as-fuck 8y ago
Yep. Only an emotionally wrecked wannabe would ever use epithets on women like that. Big difference between that and calling a spade a spade / seeing the world as it is.
RoninUnderground 8y ago
I say the same thing of most people in general. Humanity is full of animals who learned manners, many people lack the self awareness to truly understand why they make choices the way they do. It wasn't intended to be an attack on women.
DamiensLust 8y ago
I see, my bad. I totally misinterpreted your post. I completely agree with that, that the line between us and animals is not as clearly defined as the vast majority of people think and that no matter what we do ultimately we're all just base animals who have developed cultures and societies and rules that try to deny our nature, but at our core we're still just animals, and are exactly the same as the very first homo sapiens who wondered the african savannah thousands of years ago.
I thought that you were trying to say that women weren't real human beings, that men were the real people and that all women were completely different in that they were just animals pretending to be "enlightened" like men.
Fielder57 8y ago
But do they know what gives them the tingles? There are loads of women out there (Normally the fat ones) who claim to prefer fat men over ripped men and at this point I truly think that is what they Believe, (even though there body and lady bits know otherwise.)
Baylien2 8y ago
I know it was in jest but never say "lady bits" ever again. That shit makes me cringe.
landon042 8y ago
Funny shit thank you for writing. In School suspension. This fatty. I mean abnormally fat like a male version of tumblrina 5'7 250lb atleast. talking about prom and how he can't ask anyone. or noone would say yes. He says Noone would say yes to "someone like me" she buts in.
Teacher in front womynz says "I always preferred Bigger guys" LOLD to myself because I saw the bullshit, after it all, maybe she made him feel better but he's still a fat loser. She feels good for trying to make him feel good and she still wants ripped alpha COck funny
thefisherman1964 8y ago
Who cares what they say they prefer. A lot of the stuff women say is irrelevant, contradictory, illogical, and emotionally based. Their actions are the only things that matter.
Women only say they prefer fat men because that's the hamster talking. They're either looking for a beta that won't leave them, or their SMV is too low to attract Chad (who is what they really want).
coffee_and_lumber 8y ago
Exactly. Try to imagine them actually turning down the advances of a 10/10 male because "ick, muscles". It would literally never happen.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
We cannot continue to use this attitude where women hold the power. These women who "say" this is the one true masculinity have 10 times the viewers of The Red Pill and an infinite amount of additional funding. They are openly indoctrinating boys and we are supposed to say lalalalalalalala. Who cares.
Well somebody better care enough to at least argue with them and call them out.
thefisherman1964 8y ago
You can call them out, by being Chad Thundercock. Get huge muscles and slay pussy.
Law 9: Win Through Your Actions - Never Through Argument
Casanova-Quinn 8y ago
Actions speak louder than words.
72% of women prefer Brad Pitt's body in Fight Club.
yomo86 8y ago
72% have seen the movie in which Brad was the utmost violent, charming and dangerous motherfucker - so it's relative.
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AFCdood 8y ago
I don't know why this study is taken as legitimate here. You even contradict your only point by citing a study which is an aggregation of what women SAY they prefer.
"Big muscles are gross! Until I'm near them and find myself dripping wet..."
Casanova-Quinn 8y ago
I think the difference here is that this is an anonymous survey. There are no social repercussions for saying you prefer six packs over dad bods.
I also don't think is a highly legitimate study, I'm sure there was still a degree of lying. I was trying to directly answer his "women prefer fat over ripped" comment with something other than a wise phrase. And I agree with your last sentence.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
I was a Brad Pitt body at 175lbs 6'2" back 6 years ago. Today I'm 205lbs and still climbing. Can confirm, 72% is bullshit. Chicks go for the biggest. Pound for pound, as long has you maintain the same level of BF%, bulk to your genetic potential, stay within 5-10% BF and game becomes easy mode.
I've also noticed you distinctly walk differently as you get bigger. Your feet tend to point outward more, displaying your core more. It's basically the stereotypical gorilla walk. It might just be because I slack on stretching and flexibility but body language is a huge part of game and how attractive you are perceived. If anyone hasn't, read "What Every Body Is Saying", it goes into great depth of this and it's importance.
Rathadin 8y ago
Clint, just read the whole article... its easy to see the women they polled live in fucking fantasy land.
"37.3% think that men should look good naturally without any effort"
Because looking like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, or Frank Zane, is possible without any effort.
Hi-fucking-larious.
MonkeyDFreecs 8y ago
Not surprising this is the same gender that wants us to accept and be sexually attracted to them unconditionally as 300 pound butter beast.
kellykebab 8y ago
You might be right. 8-14 sounds a lot more reasonable for Bfp, though. 5 is like marathoner on race day.
Casanova-Quinn 8y ago
Not saying it's impossible, but it's going to be damn hard staying "big" with less than 10% body fat if you're natural. I've got nothing against gear, but just saying.
aesthetic-as-fuck 8y ago
That guy doesn't know what he's talking about. 10% body fat is what you need to look good if you don't have that much muscle, like Brad Pitt. People don't understand how lean 10% is.
When you're big, you have a 6 pack at 17%.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
natty you'll peak around 20-24% BMI with 10%ish BF. Go google pre 1940's bodybuilders(before steroids) and input their weight/height into a BMI. Then do the same for your height till you get around 20% BMI. that will give you an idea of your genetic potential and max weight you can reach before it start going to fat and you turn into a powerlifter.
AFCdood 8y ago
I have a fat ex-body builder friend (6'3, ~270) who gets unlimited attention because his arms and chest are still fucking huge. Other than his arms he has very little muscle definition and a bit of a belly but it doesn't matter, raw muscle size inspires primal tingles.
maldittoduende 8y ago
Absolutely. I los 70lbs not because I wasn't getting any, but because I wanted top 20% chicks. At 285lbs I looked like a tank and most women liked that. However, to get that top shelf pussy your physique has to be on point. I'm now 210-215 lbs and the girls who gave me signals before throw themselves at me, and girls who ignored me now give me signs.
LIFT.
Strike48 8y ago
5% is contest prep body fat percentage. That sounds unhealthy year around. I'd rather just stay between 10%-12%
adam_varg 8y ago
Under 7% its fucks up your body if you keep it and its impossible to keep such low body fat level without serious drug use and not losing muscles rapidly.
maldittoduende 8y ago
Absolutely. I'm sure they like that fight club physique. I'm sure they like it a lot as a matter of fact. However, we all know what they love the most is the best man in sight. If you or I (6'3 210 lbs lean) stood next to a guy with a fight club physique, we would make him look scrawny. Perception plays a huge part in it. Brad looks awesome it that movie, because everyone else is either average or fat. Now mix him with some gym bros and that changes.
There's also such a thing as too much. I got to be 245lbs lean (yes, steroids) and I was hot as fuck... In other guys' eyes lol Women still responded well for the most part, but at a lean 210 is where I slay the most.
aesthetic-as-fuck 8y ago
Women will always go for Brad Pitt over Ed Norton, or a typical fat ass. But you're better off with more muscle and higher BF than that. Looks stronger, healthier etc. Looks less vain and faggy to them.
landon042 8y ago
I walk like I'm a 220lb Mini Piano and I'm 165lb spread arms when walking
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
Lol, invisible Lat syndrome.
Keep carrying those paint cans!
landon042 8y ago
I used to hate lats. right side was bigger. I train the shit out of it, pull hard af, slow form after losing fat I'll look a little bigger than http://www.averagemarrieddad.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Brad-Pitt-fight-club-body.jpg capped shoulders from the juice
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exit_sandman 8y ago
Hey, I had a better idea of what masculinity means at the age of 8 than at the age of 18.
At the age of 8, what I considered cool/desirable was knights, cops, fast cars, guns, swords, muscles, martial arts, being wealthy, winning in a fight, being in charge etc.
At the age of 18 I thought all this was just juvenile or "not that important" (and, more importantly, I was totally convinced that women in their infinite wisdom as better human beings thought the same).
I have the theory that on a gut level we know what is attractive, or at the very least we easily form the right ideas around this. The problem is just that we get this drilled out of our heads. And this is fatal for your dating life, especially if coupled with a lack of social aptitude.
CQC3 8y ago
Absolutely, and you're keying in on one of my favorite things Robert Green talks about in Mastery which are primal inclinations. The idea that the shit that resonates with you the most is often times most easily observed in childhood when you were more in touch with what interested you and you gave absolutely zero fucks about societal expectations or anything else. You only cared about amusing yourself so your internal compass is on point. You don't get stupid thoughts like, "should I really be drawing right now? Do I plan on becoming an artist, is this a waste of time?" Instead, kids just fully immerse themselves in whatever they do.
Transitioning that though, lately I've been realizing the same. I'm pretty self aware and my standards have always been relatively specific and high for women, but I've begun to do the dick test on all women. Regardless of what you think your type is, if the girl doesn't immediately inspire some visceral reaction in you, then you're not as attracted to her as you think.
The results of this method are amazing in how much it likely slims down your pool of "attractive" women. Of course, there are going to be women that are attractive and less of your type that you'd bang if the convenience was there. I realized that parts of attraction are seemingly irrational even for men. There have always been specific things I looked at, but with the dick test now I realize that our bodies and senses know attraction before our minds do. Not only is it chemical, but there's certain things the rational mind won't look for that our senses already know.
I like girls with tan skin, but not all tan skinned girls do it for me. Sometimes I see a girl with such a specific skin tone, and I don't know what it is but I know I'm attracted to it. Same goes for anything, body shape, hair, eyes, etc. You might be sold on a particular archetype of girl because of music, culture, TV, movies, etc. You might've been sold a fantasy and not realize it. When I was younger, I thought "Asian girls are hot for sure", and they are. But I realize now that I'm only attracted to a VERY specific type of Asian girl and that's a pretty small subset. Meanwhile, historically I've had the most amount of interest and investment in Spanish girls. I have a high attraction rate to Spanish women (you know...cept the uggos).
It's also important not to discount the mind as well though. Attraction is at once simple and yet very complicated too as our minds develop.
AtlRP 8y ago
Wow... that's a really good point and something I've never considered before you said it. More evidence of the BP wool pulled over the eyes during adolescensce. Probably not a coincidence that this occurs during that crucial time in an emerging man's life when it would better serve him to be exposed to full-throttle masculinity.
Would you consider writing a full post on this? Would be interesting to hear you expand on the topic.
Tscio 8y ago
The Book of Pook discusses this topic here and there, nothing crazy in depth but a good read regardless.
Essentially men need to unlearn a lot of stuff that has been ingrained in us and revert to some of our (positive) childish behavior.
As a child we weren't afraid of talking to strangers, or girls our age. There was no approach anxiety, you'd ask a perfect stranger some benign question without hesitation.
A little boy doesn't spend his time pandering to a girls every need in an effort to gain her affection, he teases her and pursues things he finds fun or interesting.
Killeurkilleur 8y ago
Probably one of the best books ive evere read on masculinity
thefisherman1964 8y ago
Your "gut feeling" is your DNA talking to itself - the result of billions of years of your DNA doing whatever is most rational for it to continue, through natural selection and evolution. Of course we have a strong instinctive sense of what is masculine, because that's how we got here in the first place.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
And the fact that masculinity has been shunned so harshly makes it that much more refreshing to see it in the real world.
thefisherman1964 8y ago
That's why people notice you if you have big muscles, strong frame, and IDGAF attitude
logicalthinker1 8y ago
I'm just talking about from my "unplugged" perspective. Masculine used to stand out for obvious reasons. That contrast is more prevalent than ever.
Drok_MothLord 8y ago
I tried to watch the intro, but decided there was nothing to gain after hearing "mansplaining." I may be a new user, but there must be a better way to spend my 20 minutes, I think your synopsis will do well enough thank you.
anotherforgottenman 8y ago
A bunch of Vaginas don't know what it's like to be a dick they only know what it's like to get fucked by them.
thefisherman1964 8y ago
This is along the same lines of guys who think drinking beer is manly. Not only is it empty calories and will make you fat, but the alcohol lowers testosterone and raises estrogen, and can give you ED if you drink too much of it in one sitting. My uncle makes fun of me when I buy light beer: "What are you watching your girly figure??" Yeah asshole, I am watching my figure. You should try it sometime.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
"Yes, because I like to have sex with women that are actually attractive. It's alright if your into butch dudes or hambeasts."
bustedcougar 8y ago
Actually, it's the hops that give you a huge boost in estrogen (on phone. google yourself. plenty of studies). Drink stouts & other alcohols that aren't made with hops. Too much will still give you whiskey-dick, of course.
thefisherman1964 8y ago
Alcohol still lowers testosterone and raises estrogen, the hops may just raise the estrogen further. Also, being fat (a side effect of drinking too much beer) lowers your T levels.
ChimpWithAGun 8y ago
There is a popular saying in mexican spanish that applies perfectly for this:
It translates to:
In other words: better for us, less true competition.
yummyluckycharms 8y ago
Less competition, but the problem is that the sheer number of these beta bitches start having unforeseen consequences.
Health care costs skyrocket because they dont lift and go to the ER everytime they get a blister
women become increasingly pyschotic because they can only find wimps to marry - the result is even more crazy laws against men.
ratthing 8y ago
Not to mention the decrease in the birth rate, dooming us all eventually.
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Fielder57 8y ago
Have a look at Wales mate, Plenty of Lodges in Wales where you can do just that. Me and my buddies go on hunting or shooting trips to Wales quite often.
cashan0va_007 8y ago
I feel bad for saying this, but this Vice reporter is such an effeminate little faggot, and his face and voice pisses me off. He reminds me of this closet gay kid in my grade at high school, who was in the drama club. He acts exactly like that. His buggy eyes and soft face are screaming insecurity. It's like even at birth, he was destined to be A bitch, his face rebelled and tried to be a woman. His movements and the way he walks show no confidence, no bravado. OP's girl is right, this guy should never reproduce.
Maybe he will have kids one day, they just won't be his. Just the 3 he helps raise from when his wife was fast enough to catch the 3 alphas. Her hormones knew she'd never get the opportunity again, so she had to have the baby NOW.
It all fits so perfectly into our little TRP paradigm. Alpha rides off into the sunset, after depositing his seed, beta bucks provider pays for his kid for 18+ or more years, and the wife is the alpha widow who can live in relative comfort and have her brood taken care of.
I like the saying "Alpha fucks, Beta bucks" . The Red Pill is truth. We lay our cards on the table. We say what we feel. We act. So actually, I'm not sorry for being mean to this guy. I'm saying what I feel inside, and if more men expressed their anger or frustrations, society might not be as upside down as it is now.
darkstar1031 8y ago
I am so sick and tired of gay men being put on some sort of fucking pedestal like some fucking statue of Zeus just because of some perceived notion about obscure Kwisach Haderach like abilities relating to a melding of masculine and feminine. It doesn't fucking exist. Why can't gay men just be gay men?
cashan0va_007 8y ago
At work I am a junior employee under a mid-50's lesbian. She's nice enough and knows I'm not a push over, she is the "woman" in her relationship. We get along pretty well. But now and then, she pushes her "lesbian" lifestyle choices and ideals onto other people; and tries to make it seem like being gay is an exclusive club that all the cool people belong to. Like its prestigious. Like its an accomplishment. Like being gay is like getting a PhD degree from an ivy-league school. I know exactly what you're talking about, so just know that you're not the only one who feels that way and looks at the "gay-agenda" that way.
darkstar1031 8y ago
I mean, I don't really give a flying fuck what happens in peoples personal lives. Fuck whoever you want in whatever combinations you want, but don't fucking expect me to care, and keep that shit to yourself.
kellykebab 8y ago
They really need to change the name of this magazine. The first time I ran across Vice, in like 2004, one of the main articles was on homemade prison and gang weapons. It is literally the opposite of what it used to be.
hereicum2trolltheday 8y ago
The weird thing (or actually not weird at all when you really think about it) is that now that gay is becoming more and more acceptable, it's also becoming more and more masculine. Gay has been associated with feminine for so long, because those were the only ones who couldn't hide it. But there are a LOT of masculine gay men, and it's becoming the norm to avoid and even disparage feminine gay men. 20 years from now, "queens" will be a rarity.
NoIamNotARobot 8y ago
There has never been an easier time to slay pussy out there. Read the sidebar, put in the work gentlemen.
trumpisafaggybeta 8y ago
I wonder how many of the remaining 1/3 are NOT scrawny, either.
thefisherman1964 8y ago
I really enjoyed that video because I fully encourage feminists betas trying to redefine masculinity, because it's less competition for me. No amount of redefining masculinity can change basic biology. Women will always be primarily attracted to men with big muscles/low BF%, stoic, strong frame, and IDGAF attitude, and will always lose tingles if they have to be a man's provider.
dpape39 8y ago
You just gave me a newfound appreciation for SRS and Co.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
You can't outrun biology. It doesn't matter how many times you tell me to not check out women or look at them sexually. If I see a hot girl in a nice outfit, I'm checking her out.
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co-co_comedown 8y ago
I don't think this is not a good thing for us, because while we have less fit/attractive men to compete with we also have less women to choose from.
IAM_CHAD_AMA 8y ago
Yes but the fat men will breed with the fat women and the hardbody alphas with fit chicks, eventually separating ourselves into two separate societies with the fatties obviously being second class citizens
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co-co_comedown 8y ago
We already have that and it sucks. The fatties take up more room and resources, making life shittier for the fit people.
Cashews4U 8y ago
And they never stop bitching and moaning
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Goes to a guy with scientific proof. Calls it his point of view. Okay
symaine39 8y ago
...The West is going to fucking lose the Third World War...
Unholy_VI 8y ago
Haha I saw this a few days ago.
Everything you said is right on. Kind of sucks that these are even considered documentaries since everything I've seen from vice is just an unfocused meaningless meandering POS.
At least they're short.
cashan0va_007 8y ago
You hit something dead on the head, at least the vice documentaries are short. That's a good thing. The other thing is, they are a private company operating for money, and they make money through their ads and also pushing a very well planned, cohesive agenda. They say this about gays, they say that about the wars in Iraq, they say another thing about using weed as a medicine for kids, etc... And VICE was supposed to be a "more real, feet on the street" reporting agency.
longerdistance 8y ago
I've lately been going MGTOW because I'm trying to become enlightened and don't want to deal with the BS women represent.
I've noticed that even as I give only the absolute bare minimum of interaction to women that is still withing socially acceptable bounds, I still receive IOI's from them. This leads me to believe that even just not acting like a beta male around them is enough to spark interest. Mind you, I'm not acting alpha or aloof in any way, I'm simply polite.
Falkrik 8y ago
I've noticed the same. I get attention if I actively try to ignore women (got other shit to do) or just treat them as I treat guys.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
The globalists that invent the Blue Pill emotional indoctrination system must laugh when they see the results of their work.
The Red Pill is about waking up boys... Kill the Beta.
Genetics plays a very small part in our discussions here.
Most people can be woken up if they are given the guidance of a Red Pill.
(otherwise Red Pill would be pointless because it would be genetic)
In past times a boy went through a ritual to become a masculine man and the only difference today is that there are no rituals and the tv, schools, news, teach us myths that dumb us down.
Destroy the mythology and awaken the boys and the West will Red Pill itself.
Gostkowski 8y ago
Not everyone can become an AF. However, anyone can prevent himself from becoming a BB.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
A lot of people don't even understand Game so they can't even begin to compete.
This is why if Red Pill were taught to all children then you would have more Alphas and less chance that globalist elites could fuck us all over.
When men fail to learn Game the world is ruled by tyrants.
ClimbingTehLadder 8y ago
BP me would have argued that those boy to man rituals were nonsense and had no real value other than torturing the kid (I'm saying this with the bullet ant gloves in mind). Now I understand that doing that ritual teaches him that mommy is no longer his protector and that he must endure hardship in order to have the respect of other men, and most importantly of his father.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Yeah when people talk about "Alpha DNA" I always have to laugh.
Most of what makes up masculine polarity is learned. You can "Kill the Beta" and unleash the man who is your human potential.
The Blue Pill is an emotional indoctrination designed to suppress consciousness. In the true sense it's "man made" (the rulers of all ages) so it's the truly artificial mythology.
The Red Pill simply exposes the obvious.
thefisherman1964 8y ago
Yep, almost all men have the potential to be Chad Thundercock. The men on this planet are here right now because our female ancestors cucked the betas of their times to ensure alpha genetics would be passed onto us. So use your alpha genetics to their full potential - become Chad Thundercock.
AtlRP 8y ago
Thanks, Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandma, you hypergamous slutty cunt!
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Chad Thundercock in our terminology doesn't reproduce.
Chad Thundercock is like the high sex drive homosexual male who has hundreds of sex acts with different women. He's driven by his sensation to maximize sensation. He is the 666 male (thought, speech, action) making him physical and sensual, but without an interest in reproduction. (or family)
https://heartiste.wordpress.com
MOCKxTHExCROSS 8y ago
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874217/
thefisherman1964 8y ago
Chad Thundercock in our terminology doesn't reproduce simply because modern birth control methods enable him to not reproduce if he doesn't want. All throughout history, Chad Thundercock was knocking up women left and right.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Chad is a reference to the concept of a "Cad".
In the 1800's there were "Cads" that would have extensive affairs outside of marriage and people were okay with it as long as he was a good father to his wife's children.
A bastard child was treated like an outcast.
So the Chad ("Cad") Thundercock produced a mix of "high quality" married legitimate children and "low quality" bastard children.
Women that slept with Cads were generally of a lower class.
Bastard children typically were lower class.
Hitler was the bastard offspring of a wealthy family through his grandmother who worked as a maid.
thefisherman1964 8y ago
The social stigma was irrelevant to the fact that Chad throughout history was the guy with the most desirable genetics that reproduced more often than Beta Billy, who was busy raising Chad's bastard children because he unknowingly got cucked, and ensuring that Chad's bastard children passed their genetics onto us.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Chad was the upper class man sleeping with the peasant girls.
In his own social class (the upper class) he had a wife and did all the proper things a Gentleman was supposed to do.
But then he would slip outside his normal world and "get naughty" ("bohemian") with the peasants.
Moulin Rouge (2001) - trailer - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMSvKpVwavk
coffee_and_lumber 8y ago
Sounds a bit like Don Draper.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
They're all dead. The American education system was based off the Prussian system in the 1800's. Everyone today is either a product of it's creation, self aware enough to either perpetuate it for their own gains(cough political families, Koch Brothers, Wallstreet) or reject it and make their own way.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
By "they" you mean the wisdom of the 1800's.
Yes, that's pretty accurate.
American Freedom peaked from about 1830 to 1913 when the globalists were out of power.
Andrew Jackson (the guy they want off the $20 bill) was the anti-globalist that got the central banking system shut down.
WWI (1913) was when the Federal Reserve Bank (private globalist bank) took over and it's been all downhill since then.
True Masculine Freedom in America ended in WWI.
sigma272 8y ago
Nice to see that some people on this forum have swallowed the other, bigger red pill. Shame about Jackson. I think he was America's last real president.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
By the time the $20 bill is remade it will be 2020.
My guess is we are deep into WWIII and the dollar will be worthless anyway.
Think of the new bills as toilet paper.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
The globalists of 1910-1930's were the ones that caused the Nazi Regime and rise to power. It's funny how we all look at Nazi's as the evil superpower that was birthed from... wait... why did the Nazi's, a radical anti-semetic group rise to power? i wonder...
Oh ya, it was because the globalist, Treaty of Versailles and central banks completely decimated and exploited the German populace after WW1. Which allowed a radical group to gain power and massacre 6 million.
Funny how they never really focus on this part of the history in the media or our education system.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
The Nazi's were anti-Torah much like the Zionists.
And about that 6 million number...
For several decades before WWII the Zionists were discussing what would it take to create the State of Zionist Israel. They thought they needed a "Pearl Harbor" like event (obviously using different references) and they talked frequently of having 6 million Jews being killed to provoke the creation.
The number "6" in hebrew is the letter "Vav".
http://gnosticteachings.org/courses/alphabet-of-kabbalah/723-vav.html
"6" represents the physical world as opposed to the number / letter "7" which represents the spiritual world.
So the 6 million figure has a religious meaning.
The actual number of innocent (many Torah, but mostly secular) Jews who died was by best estimate about 2.5 million.
It was necessary for the globalist ritual to say 6 million though.
This is much like with 911 where in order to complete the religious element of the ritual they had to bring down Building 7. It is believed that something went wrong and they had to simply "take it down".
Mark Passio did a great youtube about the ritual.
vandaalen 8y ago
Meh. Although I enjoy some of his talk about occult symbolism and numbers, this dude and his glorification of the feminine are pretty annoying and to me it often seems much more like he isn't honest and sincere in his self-proclaimed turn from his satanic past, but it looks much more like he is doing his part in the externalization of the hierarchy of the luciferian occult.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
No, he's doing his best to have a "unity consciousness".
The fact is that his "default" thought pattern is ego. He's making an effort to balance himself by breaking the ego (Frame) and having empathy.
Obviously his whole body of work is "anti-globalist" so he's Red Pill.
We aren't perfect human beings... none of us are...
PM_ME_DEAD_CATS 8y ago
You're fucking mental mate.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Can you be more specific?
Nothing I just wrote can't be documented.
Which part are you struggling with?
RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
Honestly no-one's gonna read everything you write enough to be able to elaborate. You drift pretty far off-topic on everyone you reply to.
Suggestion: stick to just the one little point brought up, cite what you're talking about, give a quick 2-3 sentence summary for those too lazy to click the cite, and then STOP TYPING.
Fielder57 8y ago
As a British guy, Can I just say that VICE does not represent or speak for all of us British Guys. There are plenty of Proper British men out here, Just most of us do not work in the media. We are outside working hard jobs or running businesses or working to make ends meet. Not everyone is a whiny little bitch with bad teeth and desperate need for a haircut.
The fact he had to travel to America to do this is laughable, The exact same stereotypes can be found in the UK as well.
AlphaEndoGorillaKing 8y ago
Yeah, I've noticed in my actual life there are more real men than represented in the media.
logicalthinker1 8y ago
You gave the world James Bond. You've done plenty in the world of good male role models.
TheGillos 8y ago
James Bond is fictional. Real life has more than enough bad ass Brits. Such as the author of Bond himself: Ian Fleming.
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Don't worry, I watch Geordie Shore mate. I know.
Fielder57 8y ago
Lol Geordie Shore is hardly a fine example either but it will do.
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Lol, I'd watch a show about jacked dudes who get major ass and dress well over this whiny waste of male feminist life any day
OneInAZillion 8y ago
On the bright side, this documentary has 66% dislikes.
EBPLLRP 8y ago
First OP, Thanks for watching the whole video and taking notes.
Second, Jesus Christ! That was atrocious!
If I play video games, watch anime eat all day and cardio no lifting once a week. I'm like zyzz with a greg plitt work ethic compared to them.
If the 80% is really this lol. I think I might actually be closer to that 20% that I thought.
If a girl liking you or wanting more from you is a sign then damn.
No wonder girls choose Charles Manson over this guy.
In high school, I always hated that dude like stifler. They fucking Chad. They all fucked him. Seriously, his brother never even went to college him too. He's a failure but he would fuck all of em. Even that one clean blonde that went fuck it and gave her virginity to him and became your typical slut.
Luckily, TRP was like a Claritan D because I can see clearly now through this shit.
I don't blame bitches at all. Honestly, good on them. No one should fuck this guy's. Let alone give them a chance of reproducing.
Seriously, man. They make my beta group of friends look like the most alpha fucks on the planet.
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Gigamon2014 8y ago
Hmmm, I actually agree with the idea that those who deviate from the sexual norm do assist in pushing culture forward. Whenever looking at significant contributors to innovators in the arts and science, there are disproportionate number of those who do not adhere to any particular heterosexual persuasion.
Thing is though, that same desire to push envelope also meant pushing the envelope in ways the average garden variety liberal would curl up in horror at the thought of.
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Redasshole 8y ago
I tried very hard to find a masculine figure and a group of guys to hang out with, a tribe I can rely on to adopt a code that fits a man. I found no support system. Everywhere I look there are SJW blue pill beta boys or social cycle full of women where guys adopt what they say to please the feminine imperative.
How the fuck can I find a masculine figure to learn from and a brotherhood of manly friends? The only 'awakened' (read not mangina) men I could find were always walking their path alone and I only met one so far.
NaughtyFred 8y ago
I'll proof read yours and any EC, SE and RV's post for a buck.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
SAHD dads would be awesome, it's too bad no ones making efforts to break the stigma attached, or find some way to still get a woman wet when he does though. It sounds nice, but isn't going to work.
The nice thing about gay dudes, is that they aren't swayed by pussy. In this day and age, it's nice to have a guy with unabashed masculinity, it's just too bad you have to suck a few dicks to find it nowadays. (Milo etc)
Either way, this is womans techniques (emotional) trying to convince men to be men. It works on the beta males who want to be told they are men. It's not that they are lost, it's that ego protection is powerful, and it's seen as much better to be seen as 'right' than it is to be true, or correct.
And as for the last few eons, what made a man was how efficiently he could kill other men, and use them to increase his wealth. I did 12 years in the service, and alcohol was a worse threat to me than enemy action.
Those days are over, you now have 80 years to figure out what to replace them with
thefisherman1964 8y ago
You need to spend more time reading the sidebar. It has nothing to do with stigma being attached to being a SAH dad, it has to do with women not being wired to be a man's provider. That's how tingles are lost and you end up getting cucked.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
That is the stigma. It's no different than using a woman as an emotional tampon. It isn't going to work, no one even wants it to, judging by anyone advocating for changing gender roles, as laughable and anti-natural as that is.
As for my RP knowledge, I'll let my posting history speak for itself.
aanarchist 8y ago
stefan molyneux is a stay at home dad but he's pretty fucking badass imo.
Firespit 8y ago
If you consider a whiny crying bitch in front of camera, pretty fucking badass, I have to ask for your RP member card.
aanarchist 8y ago
ask me to turn in my man card while you're at it
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
Lol. He uses a lot of words to hide how little he says.
Just because we have the same ideas on a lot of issues means I buy a lot of his bullshit. Just like Gavin Mcinnes.
Granted, it's good to have people talking about them at all, so I can't shit on him for it.
And I will say this. You may like him, but is his wife getting tingles off him? Is he getting propositions from other women? Has he built an empire from his work? I wouldn't put him as a role model, not yet anyways.
aanarchist 8y ago
he's got an empire of followers who want to create a better world starting with themselves. who cares about whether or not some 40 year old woman gets tingles, i doubt its his priority and frankly it's something that men need to get out of their heads. you know what's really fucking alpha? not letting pussy determine your life, who you are and what your values are, something trp seems to have forgotten for the most part. 80% of these red pills are beta pussy sniffers who will do anything for a chance to wet their dick. it's getting harder and harder to tell apart red pills from blue pills, it's becoming same shit different smell.
frankly he'd have less credibility with me if he wasn't a stay at home dad. he's sure as hell too high value to pay for an older woman.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
It's not about getting pussy. It's cliche, but the 'every woman wants him, every man wants to be him' speaks to someones ability to persuade, and charisma is the one skill that I've seen that trumps almost all others (competence, sure, but it's not hard to be competent in at least one thing in life already)
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
He's very self aware but he does fail at a few key points. Just because he's not textbook RP doesn't mean you can't learn a shit ton from him or how he's constructed his image/brand. Dudes definitely making a killing doing what he does. Probably only possible because he is a stay at home dad. Can't dedicate that much time to personal pursuits when you are working 9-5.
He fails in the 'what makes a man attractive' department but he dominates every other aspect of what it is to be a man. Dudes self aware, building his own path and doing it un-apologetically. Pretty red pill by my standards.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
For sure. Like you, I see him as a source of value.
a role model though? That's a bridge too far for me. I know it's not popular, but Trump kind of has that. billionaire(not quite self made, but still pretty damn aspirational), shit together, raised a fucking perfect family (almost too perfect IMO) complete freedom to do and say as he pleases.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
Definitely not a role model but I believe you can learn something from anyone, even if they aren't the perfect character of what you think successful is. Emulate and learn from the successful. Eventually you will learn more and supersede them.
stonepimpletilists 8y ago
hell, my entire childhood was based on learning how not to do things. Was so many fuckups in my small town, it started to get easy to see failure.
Step father had a friend nicknamed 'imbred blayne'. If I can learn something from him, +1 to your comment, everyone has value, even if it is a cautionary tale.
aanarchist 8y ago
what do you mean he fails in the what makes a man attractive department?
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
I don't follow him to much, I've seen guys comment here that he pedestalize women. He's a stay at home dad, lets his body go, and a few other things. I don't really involve myself into others peoples lives that much. My times to important to me to focus on the negativity or drama. I prefer objectively observing and focusing on the positives and contrasting negatives. Learn what I can from them and move on.
I get that his main focus isn't banging sluts, but he better not be shocked if his wife ever leaves him. He might be doing alright in his marriage as he does have a lot of RP tendencies. But he'd be a lot better off spending even a modest amount of time improving his body and health. Women love social status and he's definitely got a degree of that. Whether that is translated in his real life is unknown.
All in all, i don't really care about his life or if he's too alpha or too beta. Definitely a guy to learn from but not a role model for this community.
aanarchist 8y ago
he's THE role model for a red pill community. too many red pills end up as pussy sniffing betas running game, it's fake and tired and a waste of life. he doesn't pedestalize women, literally the opposite, 100% accountability. good shit making your opinions and decisions based off of a youtube comment /s
i don't know what he does in his spare time but he doesn't seem like some slob who eats cheetoes and watches tv all day, and at 50 years old he's got more important things to accomplish than stay ripped for his wife. unlike 99% of red pills, his mission is actually of benefit to mankind, rather than devoting your entire life to glorified prostitutes and lifting weights. the truth is brother, red pill or blue pill, most people are a waste of the air they breath, and their life is devoid of any meaning. if anything, we need more people like him and less of these faggy chad wannabes. there's all sorts of shit on trp that says again and again, find your mission in life. it's comical that most end up as pussy worshiping betas, right where they started, they just happen to have gotten laid more, good shit your life has meaning now that you've stuck your dick in a warm hole. even worse that whatever personality they had is gone, and replaced with parroting red pill mantras and calling everyone who calls them out on their bullshit a cuck. it's little different than a feminist screaming patriarchy.
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