Summary:
Dude and girlfriend's families are close. They grow up together. Their mothers are sorority sisters. Start dating at 14. She makes him promise till marriage. She goes off to summer camp and loses her virginity to Chad Thundercock. Dude's cousin is also at camp, notices and tells him.
In his words: "g/f who made me agree to no pre marital sex goes to a leadership conf. and give virginity to random guy who then proceeds to dump her. She is begging me to not end things with her but its way to late for that as I hate her now. Complications aplenty because of our family's being so tightly interweaved."
Body:
Another day, another dude gets cucked because AWALT: http://archive.is/xQmyR
Lexi (not her real name) and I have been together all of our lives, literally. Our Mothers are best friends and were sorority sisters. She and I are actually only 4 months apart in age, I just turned 18 and she will in October. We have been friends since we were kids and we became romantically involved with one another at 14. We have been with each other almost every day since. We are very young so obviously we both know that marriage wasn't on the immediate horizon but we have talked and planned and dreamed about it for years.
Got his commitment early, nice job. Now she doesn't really have to think about him in the foreground of her actions. Whether this is subconscious or not, it's hard to tell. She appears to regret what's happened - there are tears from her when she's around the guy and when she was alone, away from him.
Both of our family's attend the same church and through that we both decided that we would wait at least until we were out of our parents homes to actually go all of the way. Believe me it wasn't always my idea and there was more than one time I asked to break that but she is the one who held firm. God I feel like such a fucking loser just typing that.
She knows her value in sex. She's denying it to him - but to be fair, he seems like the type of moral person to actually want to wait until marriage. I can't blame him - I was the same way too, an idealist. But, he can smell his own beta-ness. That's a lot further than a lot of us felt before swallowing the pill. Maybe he has hope?
same college to attend this fall
Most relationships break when they go to different colleges. Turns out this won't be the issue.
I get a text from my cousin which made me start to hyperventilate. She tells me that a guy from the camp had been hitting on my g/f hot and heavy since almost the first moment they arrived. She said my g/f initially gave him the cold shoulder but over the past two days she has not seen my g/f a lot and she has been coming back to their room later and acts like she immediately falls asleep.
Persistence. Persistence, persistence, persistence. Have high enough SMV and this could be you. For all we know, both guys could have high as fuck SMV - but it depends on where she is at the time and how she feels.
Time goes on and she now gives me a few random meaningless text during the day talking about nonsense like nothing is going on. She does it at time she knows I can't respond (working a summer job) and doesn't respond when I try and text her.
She doesn't know what to say, she fucked up, her hamster isn't developed enough to give good excuses... yet.
She told me that while she was at camp she had developed a relationship with someone from out of state and that they had been hanging out the first week and a half they were there. Obviously I was upset and showed her the photo on my phone. She went very pale and wanted to know how I got that, then she remembered my cousin was there and she started sobbing asking me how long I knew.
I told her that when she stopped texting me I got concerned but thought she was just busy.
At this point in time I had no idea how far things had gone. I thought she developed a crush and that she liked him or spent time with him and while I didn't want to think about it I thought there might be an off chance she might kiss him.
I was not prepared for what she told me. I asked how far things had gotten and she started crying even harder. I started to panic and asked again.
She then told me between tears that they had gone all the way. But then threw in that it was only once, like I was supposed to be okay with that.
only once. "I only lost my virginity to Chad only once, why are you so mad?" Top. Fucking. KEK. CUCK!
I wish I could tell you that I did or said something manly here but I just started crying harder than she did.
Mean are the idealists, women are the realists. You will always love her more than she loves you.
How could she do this to me? Why would she do this to us?
Fuck, that hurts. Stings a bit close to home. Denial phase.
Then she did the one thing that actually made me stop crying. She offered to have sex with me.
Again, the only thing of value from women is pussy. On a subconscious level, she knows it. This is her final, desparate attempt to win him back. Dude is solid, he rejects her. I would've smashed first and booted her out, but we're all different people with different capacities for cruelty.
I simply told her that she obviously did not understand that we were done, she killed us and I had no desire to be with her in any capacity. That I waited for her and she stabbed me in the back the first moment she got a chance.
He lost his frame when he cried. Now he's taking some of it back.
Then I asked why him and not me, why was I punished all of those nights and this guy in less than a weeks time was able to get to where I was not able to go for all of these years.
The emotions and tingles are always > everything else. Always.
She has shattered whatever self esteem I had. The kick to this is I learned tonight from my cousin that this guy was with another girl by the end of the camp. So in other words he got what he wanted and left her.
Be the other guy.
Is it wrong that I actually hate her right now. I mean viscerally hate her. I feel like she just robbed me of my entire high school life.
Ahh, glorious. The anger phase. Someone send this man an invitation!
The majority of the comments are proto-red pill ideas. Go no contact. Dump her ass. Block her on everything. Yet, they still give blue pill rationale.
Comment 1:
I'm guessing this guy that she had sex with was one of those player assholes. Probably doesn't give a damn about her. He's never going to see her again now that leadership camp is over. He hit on her relentlessly and nudged her and nudged her until he wore her down. Which is why he got to fuck her instead of you getting to make love with her. You respected her wishes to wait for the right time to have sex. This guy didn't give a shit about her, her relationship with you, her desire for a meaningful first time, or anything. This guy is a total scumbag. A user. He used her and didn't give a damn what damage he did.
Sure, blame the single guy instead of the girl who was in a committed relationship. The blue pill is strong in this one.
Comment 2:
OP I'm sorry your girlfriend cheated, but I also want to say be careful about the way you view some things
Then I asked why him and not me, why was I punished all of those nights and this guy in less than a weeks time was able to get to where I was not able to go for all of these years.
I understand its frustrating that your girlfriend slept with someone else, but I don't think its healthy to view your girlfriend not having sex with you in the past as a 'punishment'. I know it may just be anger speaking - but its also good to get out of this line of thinking while you are still young.
It's not punishment, it's clear that he didn't give her the tingles.
Comment 3 (my favorite):
She felt it with you and her actions have killed it. You know how shitty it is to be the victim. Can you imagine how shitty it feels to be the responsible party?
Self explanatory. Pussy passes for days.
Comment 3.1:
It's almost worth doing the opposite of what you hear here. I wouldn't even take it as a given that you have to break up with her.
Mmm.... women should never have to deal with the consequences of their actions. Sounds a bit like privilege to me.
Stealth Red-pill comment:
he was new and different, he didn't have parental approval (which probably made him more interesting than he actually is), and she was away from home the first time. Although she should've never cheated on you, at least she came out and confessed instead of hiding it from you. Many people never get the truth from their cheating SOs.
away from home the first time. For most girls this is college.
More red-pill:
Seriously, the girl is worried about her reputation and nothing more.
"I'm a virgin and will only sleep with /u/yl23 when the time is right."
Followed by...
"Please don't tell anyone I decided to be a slut and fuck a random stranger to lose my virginity. I'll fuck you, too. Please. It'll be ok."
Lessons Learned:
You think a lifetime of devotion will safeguard you? NOPE! The hamster feels will always take precedence over everything you've ever done for a woman, whether she's 17 or 71 (there was a post a few weeks back about some guy's grandma cheating). Even the sweetest of church girls will cheat on you - it's not rational - but it doesn't change the fact that it happens.
trp_dude 8y ago
There is an update from him in the thank trp reddit, it looks like he's taken the red pill
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fullhalf 8y ago
damn cuckold shit like this makes me so god damn hard. fucking put so much effort into this girl for years then she gives it away to some random asshole and then offers it to you again right away. her pussy is now completely devalued. it's not worth anymore than any other girl. holy shit that's so fucked up. i saw this a few times growing up. girls would string guys along forever. it is absolutely because she doesn't want to fuck him. there is always some reasonable excuse though. i bet the girl believes it herself.
rockumsockumrobots 8y ago
Born to suffer.
I'm going to become a hermit and take a vow of celibacy.
UniversalFapture 8y ago
I never really had a girlfriend. It was rejection all across the board. They made me look at myself in a negative light. But none of that would ever prepare me for what would happen in my freshman year. She was beautiful. Like a mini Sofia Vergara. The way we met was circumstantial. I had ventured to another part of the lunchroom, and my eyes were blessed. Her eyes sucked me like a black hole. Her smile radiating happiness, and her long, red hair with a tinge of brown. We spoke for a while, I ask her out , and then I'm met with the cliche "I have a boyfriend" rejection. After asking for her number, I get declined and she says "my phone is off" which I knew wasn't true, but I went with it. I'm messing around on my phone one day, and discover AirDrop. This is my first iPhone mind you, so Ive never used this before. I ask her friend for her phone to try it out. She declines me, but that's fine. We never really spoke anyway. She suggest I try to ask my crush, who just happens to be her best friend. She says "Sure" and I go and try to use it. Then I noticed her service symbol was on. I made the biggest mistake ever. I texted myself without her permission. And I've been paying for it every since. I've been labeled creepy. A Stalker. Everything you can thing of probably. I've Screwed up left and right trying to fix the situation. I can't get over her it seems like. She told me in class today that she doesn't want to be my friend. One of her male friends was curious as to why she hated me. Which then I took upon myself to explain like I'm explaining to you now. "I'm a cold hearted bitch..." She says quietly. She would have never treated me this way if I didn't make a bad first impression. She just got off the bus not to long ago. This will be the last time I'll ever see her probably. Needless to say, this has really Impacted me. I've never felt this way before about a girl. And I never thought I would. My friends are gone too. I'm leaving everyone behind. I don't like it one bit. I don't know what to do. Ill miss her the most. My teacher had to separate us because I was struggling to accept her wishes. She says that's stalkerish. And that guys like that hurt the girls. I'll never do that! That made me feel bad. But she was just trying to help. So here I am on nofap. Where do I go from here ?
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
Lift. You need to clear your head. Eat a fuckton of protein and carbs and fat. Get big.
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SkyrimCory 8y ago
Saw this. Hits way to close home for me and my situation a few years ago. Glad things have changed since then.
SexistFlyingPig 8y ago
Inspiration like this is what I need to get off my butt and go lift.
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cover20 8y ago
It was this dude's fault because you imagine he was skinny and didn't have hobbies or whatever he's supposed to do according to folks here?
He had a deal. He honored his deal. He had enough respect from his cousin that she ratted this girl out. He dumped her.
Sounds to me like he had preselection working for him as well as being worth the long relationship. Who's to say more muscles and hobbies would have helped? That's completely off point.
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2comment 8y ago
Let's revisit outcome independence. Unless the girl is really dirty and probably has disease, it's just easiest to categorize her place in your life. If she has a lot of guy friends and travels a lot, she's a plate. You take advantage of her innate properties rather than mad at what she isn't.
I'd like to think of women having to work towards being relationship material and proving it.... rather than the prevailing attitude that all women are possible relationship material until proven otherwise - innocent until proven guilty is a legal fiction that works fine in court; but comes off as naive if you're misapplying it in the real world.
This way, the rare gem of a woman is a pleasant surprise, rather than finding out what you have is just another common cubic zirconia and that being a continual disappointment in life.
Newreddawn 8y ago
Happens more often than you'd think. Got invited to a party and met a virgin 19 year old indian girl. She wouldn't fuck while we were there but I could tell she wanted. Banged her on the regular for the next couple months til I got bored.
You know this girl made boyfriends wait for days but she gave it up to me in less than a week. They're all like that, give them a good body, good vibes, and get them out of sight of their friends. The tingles work magic. I'm 27 btw.
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More people need to read this post. So brutally accurate and true.
Espada18 8y ago
You're absolutely right, and I'm sorry about your situation; like you said, the fact that you weren't blind sided helped a tonne. Did you swallow the pill by then or were you just highly analytical?
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Poophole loophole, you can get in there I promise. Haha I had a girl that claimed to be a virgin tell me "fuck me harder daddy," the "first" time she had anal sex.
Espada18 8y ago
I've fucked several arab virgins in the ass, 2 who were engaged and almost every single one of them seemed to enjoy it to some degree. lol are you implying I should fuck her in the ass or she's already been fucked in the ass?
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GoldPisseR 8y ago
You got to take a few risks if you want to have a chance at having a proper stable relationship.
There are still girls who are demure and shy about their sexuality due to their upbringing.They can make your life better, but its a big fucking job to keep them away from the whore culture which is galloping the entire western world.
CaptainRP 8y ago
Sure, demure and shy with you.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
Repeating for the hundredth time.If a girl is a slut for you ,she's been a slut for countless others.
Good luck finding your unicorn slut.
CaptainRP 8y ago
What? I think you misunderstood me.
I know better than to find a "unicorn".
And even when she isn't a slut for you, she will for countless others. (see OP's post)
GoldPisseR 8y ago
Yeah but I will fuck a slut not date her.
I was talking about girls I see as relationship prospects.
One_friendship_plz 8y ago
A co-worker of mine told me that she lied to a guy saying she was a virgin. Yep, she actually was willing to tell that to me and a bunch of other people at work because she was trying to join the guys in a conversation of "funny things that happened"
I wouldn't get married no matter what, women aren't even fun for me to talk to.
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Gyissan 8y ago
Why are you even thinking about marrying her if you are already having these kinds of problems this early on? So you have not fucked her yet? Get on that shit before you even think the word marriage.
One_friendship_plz 8y ago
It's too late for you, I never had a woman tell me she was a virgin.
I think it's because I act like I don't care. You already established your views on relationships most likely so you're never going to know if she's being honest or not.
read this
Your girl could've gave 100 strangers BJ's and still claim she's a virgin, it's a hopeless battle, I just don't think about LTR's/marriage anymore so my only concern is STD's.
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Espada18 8y ago
I did act like I didn't give a fuck at first; and when she wasn't willing to give me anything to work with, I decided to be straight up with her, figured she might take me for some cuck.
Heck I'm willing to walk away if I ever find out she gave BJ's. Given in the right context, do you think I should tell her that a friend of mine broke up with a girl because he found out she's been handing out blowjobs, despite telling him she was a virgin, which she technically was?
I think distancing the story from myself and claiming it happened to a friend will most likely have her hamster spinning, and ask me what I'd personally do.
roteroktober 8y ago
and how the fuck will you ever know?
Espada18 8y ago
Blood, tight walls etc.. I mean I'm aware there are surgeries but she's not that rich. Not to mention she doesn't have any hobbies that might break her hymn, horse riding for instance. She's had multiple chances to tell me either way, if anything seems even a little bit off then it's over.
roteroktober 8y ago
at which point you will have wasted how many years? and then once you have fucked her the first time, you realize that shes a total prude and the sex is shit.
its never worth the wait. either she wants you to be her first and she wants to fuck and bond with you, or she doesnt. if she demands marriage for virginity that she is using sex as a means to an end, as manipulation and she will not stop.
you are making a mistake.
also, her being a virgin doesnt even give you anything. she is as capable of cheating and fucking you over as any other chich that fucked 50 dudes.
Espada18 8y ago
I think you misunderstood my intentions, I'm keeping my options open although I won't be making it that obvious to her. I'm not exactly pussy-whipped, and there is plenty of fish in the sea. I was worried about me staying loyal until this post.
So you're suggesting that I do fuck her yes? Let's say I did that, and it turns out she actually was a virgin, then what? I fucked 2 virgins before and it was one of the worst mistakes I've ever made, you'd think I'd stop at 1. Her parents are Jewish and very religious, she'd probably get disowned if I fucked her and then left.
Yeah dude, but then again so am I. I'm planning to keep her on her toes for the rest of her life, or she's just gonna end up being another bitch I've left my mark on. I think the cheating would have less of an impact when you expect a woman to cheat, it's the poor fellas who are unplugged that get hit like a train. There's always talks about frame and abundance mentality on this sub, it's surprising that most dudes skip on that. It's like as if they're holding on to some Disney fantasy and hoping to go through life without any rough patches, there has been an influx of guys who are afraid to step out of their comfort zones on here lately, which is understandable but nobody has called them out on it yet.
RedHeimdall 8y ago
Unfortunately, I don't think there is much you can do to confirm unless she bleeds the first time and/or you can see or feel a hymen. Even if she hasn't been horseback riding, girls nowadays do a lot of things that can break the hymen before having sex, as far as I know -- bike riding, gymnastics in school and whatnot.
Espada18 8y ago
From my experience it's not easily broken, or is it different from different girls?
RedHeimdall 8y ago
Well I'm no expert, but I think one of the reasons that back in the day girls weren't supposed to do a lot of the physical activities they do now is so that they could make sure to preserve their hymens for marriage. I've heard that nowadays hymens break from nonsexual shit quite often before girls have sex for the first time -- although this could be feminist propaganda.
But also I've been with two virgins, or at least two girls who told me they were virgins, and I could not tell them apart from non-virgins. They could have been lying of course but I don't see why these girls would've had any reason to lie, as I was being Mr. Super Nonjudgmental and I was a rolling stone at the time so they both knew that a LTR was not on the table. Don't see anything they stood to gain from lying.
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2comment 8y ago
Some advice. Humans, but women especially, are excellent at putting up a front of what they think people want to hear. Especially if you spoonfeed your desires right to them.
If you tell a car salesman you want something reliable and with great resale value; surprise surprise their brand will always be the one, and they'll angle it to make it appear so. The reasonably worst that a salesman can expect from lying/fudging/whatever is losing a sale he'd never have made in the first place if he didn't. And the most likely is that the client either never finds out, forgets he asked, or doesn't do anything because there is no legal recourse.
Same with women. Being dishonest is a small bet with big payoffs. And they're natural at sales. They're the gender of the oldest profession - prostitution - which occurs in many species. As the more social gender, they become expert selling themselves early, enhanced with clothes and makeup and whatever.
If you want a greater probability of the truth, you'll act like you won't care (or even "sex positive") and have patience for it to come slip out; either in an argument or when she's drunk, or from her girlfriends -- whatever opportunity presents itself.
Espada18 8y ago
Wise words, I agree 100%. Catching her slip up shouldn't be a problem. I'm gonna keep her around and won't get an upgrade till I'm certain about her.
collidoscope 8y ago
How old are you? How old is she?
So she knows if you find out she's slept with her other boyfriends, she's gone. Doesn't sound like you'll ever know the real answer. That's why when you meet a girl, you have to act like you don't give a fuck about anything she says. I create an environment where they are free to share anything they want. You'll be surprised what they'll tell you. Afterward, you evaluate if they're what you're looking for.
I went on a date with one girl who talked about how she went backpacking in Asia for two years with her boyfriend. She then proceeded to tell me how she thought her bf might be gay, but he fucked Thai girls on their trip so he probably wasn't. That's all I needed to know. Not interested in whatever disease farm that girl has growing between her legs.
Espada18 8y ago
We're both 22, I'm like 4 months older than her.
I've known this girl since I was 10/11, we've known each other for over a decade, but we haven't talked since 2010, I talked to her cousin recently who talked about me to her, she then decided to message me, and we've been talking since then. And to be fair, I did act like I didn't give a fuck at first; and when she wasn't willing to give me anything to work with, I decided to be straight up with her, figured she might take me for some cuck. But to be fair there are some things that have made wary, such as:
Her unintentionally saying "I'm lowkey."
Literally getting touchy from the get-go with me, we haven't talked in 5 years and haven't met in 7.
Lives in a city, and I know how city girls can be.
Good riddance, takes a real man to walk away.
Edit: Extra info.
collidoscope 8y ago
What do those phrases mean?
She said she is low key? I don't get it.
RedditAccount321123 8y ago
Ueah, ask the other boyfriends or her friends. Get a 2nd opinion
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Gyissan 8y ago
How is she being ambiguous about the other? If she is acting shady or sketchy about it, chances are she fucked him.
Espada18 8y ago
Not telling me his name, and she gets a little uncomfortable when I asked about him; I asked her how did they break up and I've got the usual "He changed", which I think is 90% bullshit. I'd do what /u/RedditAccount321123 suggested but she lives 3 hours away, however her cousin lives in the same city as me. I'm gonna get real close with her cousin and see what I can gather from her, and if there's nothing, I'm gonna get real tight with her friends and see if I can meet her ex.
Gyissan 8y ago
Spare the effort and just dump her. Judging from her response, she obviously did do something sexual with him for sure. I know you probably want to get some sort of closure, but is this chick really worth all this trouble?
Espada18 8y ago
You're absolutely right, no girl is.
the_Milkweed 8y ago
You almost made me throw up when you said that you were thinking of marriage.
You do know what sub you're in..... Right?
Espada18 8y ago
I'm in TRP not MRA. But I see why that would almost make you throw up.
the_Milkweed 8y ago
I don't think it has to only apply to mra's, that's a generalization that just is barely true
Espada18 8y ago
I've been fucking girls since I was 15, for 7 years all I've been doing is fucking girls left, right and centre. The sex is getting kind of predictable and boring, if I keep it up I'll eventually fall of some steep hill.
the_Milkweed 8y ago
So that means get married? Seriously
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I love Chad. He is doing God's work. I hope this young lad breaks free and lives a life full of pussy and free of obligation.
The-Ban-Hammer 8y ago
I said something quote-worthy? lol Just calling it like I see it.
The sad reality is, these tests never end. They will always test you. They will always test your resolve. Even the most claimed-faithful will look for other guys in the blink of an eye, and justify it as not cheating or not looking.
I think, once you embrace the concept of AWALT, you simply realize you have to keep your women in line and that even the most redpill woman is still AWALT.
notevenatthestart 8y ago
It's hard not to feel angry when you read that. Not just anger, but the first anger; anger that hits you and carries you back to when you first felt like that; humiliated, furious, betrayed.
As we've read and learned and pondered and lifted, all of us here have all developed some kind of a skin against this. Depending on how far along we are, we're starting to realise that AWALT. This situation angers us, then, but it doesn't surprise us.
We should remember that this young man, though, didn't have that advantage... He didn't have any of that defence or any of our cynicism. He was with the same girl since they were 14-- how could he have any defences? He didn't even have the chance to have experiences with a number of girls in school.
The saddest bit? For all his naivety as seen from our point of view, he sounds like a good man. His loyalty is admirable, and he deserved better. And now he's going to have to go through all that anger and maybe, just maybe, if he's lucky and listens to the right advice, and applies himself, he'll come through it and emerge at the far side as a man.
But he's got it all to come.
Ibex3D 8y ago
I grew cold to this shit. Stories about guys getting jailed or expelled for no reason still piss me off but AWALt stories never get to me anymore. Ever. Until this one. Damn, I feel for this dude. He's young. He did everything the world told him would lead to a happy relationship. Literally got with his best friend since birth, waiting till marriage, was a nice guy, and then boom. His heart was ripped out. God damn...
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2comment 8y ago
Great to see bros before hoes is alive and well.
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
His cousin is a girl, that's the best part.
cover20 8y ago
Girls will rat each other out to you, if you just stop believing there's some sort of "sisterhood" they belong to. I guess it's the same mechanism as preselection: their instinct is to fight against each other, and they tend to be moralistic with each other, at least by my observation.
Have standards, and women will support your standards and rat each other out when they don't meet them.
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buddboy 8y ago
Wow this sucks, we should help this guy I think he has what it takes
cover20 8y ago
We can invite him to join.
But he can probably teach most of us. His reaction under the circumstances was consistently good enough. And that's all a man needs.
Eenjoy 8y ago
I actually PM'd this guy. I had almost exactly the same thing happen to me. I was raised in a strong religious household so I know the pressures.
I am by no means where I need to be in terms of guiding others on how to be men. I just pressed that he does stick with his family/close friends/close church leaders and to not lie or cover on her behalf. The comments on that sub were atrocious as always calling for him to not tell anyone to save her from "slut shaming" and to take the high road (basically saving her one last time, fuck that)
At the very end of my PM I mentioned this thread and to toss out any preconceived notions he has of it. Take it for face value when it comes to the psyche of a man and the psyche of a woman... whether you are religious and believe in creation or secular and believe in evolution.. it is funny how both come to the same conclusions. AWALT
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Upvote_To_The_Left 8y ago
That story reads like it was completely made up.
cover20 8y ago
So do most true life stories involving females.
Upvote_To_The_Left 8y ago
I think people write these stories just so they can get upvote karma and be on the front page.
There's also a good chance someone from this subreddit wrote it just to make a circlejerk.
watersign 8y ago
lol. dude needs to delete facebook and hit the gym!
darkwolfx24678 8y ago
Nah, he did good by not having sex with her. This kid's a virgin and losing his virginity with a piece of shit like that and immediately dumping her may bring him some temporary satisfaction but he'll ultimately regret it (considering it probably won't be that great) and may even be traumatic in the long run. I'm not one to think that losing your virginity should be a magical thing but it should at least not be a terrible concoction of emotion fueled by hatred and resentment.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
I dunno...starting out your sex adventure with a grudge fuck? Interesting to contemplate...
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
I know. I was thinking the same thing. That the rest of her pleading should be coming intermittently while she was gargling his nutsack. And then she should lose her 'anal virginity'. And then he should dump her ass, anyway.
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Yeah, imagine hatefucking her and turning her into an alpha widow that one time. Haha.
jewishclaw 8y ago
Maybe I'm a cunt, but what you describe sounds glorious. I totally disagree on the "won't be that great" part. I've been cheated on by someone I cared a lot about. I cried, she cried, we fucked, I left. It was probably the best sex I've ever had. I wasn't trying to get back at her and I didn't imply it meant we were going to work it out. Brutal hate fuck.
darkwolfx24678 8y ago
Yeah man, I get that. It's totally understandable in your case and I think that if you can do that without reinvigorating feelings for her then fuck yeah do it. She fucked you over, might as well get something out of it.
But in this case, this guy's never had sex. This is probably his first "real" relationship and it lasted a long ass time, his foundation of trust was just completely shattered and broken into a million tiny pieces. You expect him to be able to cope with all of the hate inside of him while figuring out what sex actually is? To be able to disconnect himself from the situation and all of the dozens of feelings he must be feeling while simultaneously thinking he's gonna drop this bitch and never see her again? This is what an emotionally strong person, an alpha, is capable of juggling and I think we're giving the kid too much credit to think he can pull it off. I'm not saying he couldn't have, of course, but he was safer off not trying. There's a lot that can go wrong there and at the very least, even though she took a lot from him already, he can have his first time not be this hate fueled thing. He can at least keep that last bit of innocence and she couldn't fucking take that.
trpSenator 8y ago
Dude, it's not so much the fact of the virginity thing. It's the disrespect. She absolutely and utterly took a massive shit on his masculinity. His ethos as a man. She ruined EVERYTHING these two could have had.
She basically did an action that said, "You're so little of a man, that after years I wont fuck you, but I'll easily fuck another guy just weeks after meeting him. I rather give my virginity to some stranger than you."
If I were him, I'd still fuck her. I think revenge feels great. I'd fuck her, and make her feel like the huge whore she is. Let it hurt. Treat her bad. Spread rumors.
You can't let people walk all over you
darkwolfx24678 8y ago
I agree, you can't let people walk over you and you should never let anyone try that kind of shit on you but I'm giving the kid a pass for not wanting to step up to plate and deal with all of the shit that could have happened during and after that whole ordeal.
Revenge sex is awesome and we can handle it but that's because we've gone through shit like this. This kid hasn't and that's why I think he made the right call avoiding all of that. I wrote a bit more in another comment if you want more details.
ScottRikkard 8y ago
That could hurt him more you know. Finally fucking her, but under those conditions, not many men have heart for that shit (and he is already broken down). I dont believe he would feel great after that.
Imagine fucking a girl only cause she wants you to feel better and not leave her, only cause she ''lets you'' not because she wants you. I wouldn't want that as a motivating force of woman's sexual desire.
He hates her enough to leave her, but being still in love (I bet), he loves her enough not to enjoy the hate fuck. Better ejecto seato cuz, for himself. She is already as down as she can be.
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trpSenator 8y ago
I feel like that's a cop-out. Sounds a lot like sour grapes. I mean, people will get royally fucked over, and then justify their lack of retaliatory strength as "I'm just being the better man."
If you ask me. You have to send messages to others as well as yourself. When someone shits in your territory, you have to have a spine and make them pay for invading your space. You can't let people walk all over you. And when they do, you don't just rationalize why you avoid the conflict. Instead, you take it head on and penalize those who interfered with you.
StrokeGameHusky 8y ago
All you have to know is "out mothers were soriety sisters"
That's CC riding is bred into her. Gtfo
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cover20 8y ago
Some female friend that was. As I say, women are moralistic with each other. Guys will white knight for women where other women will throw them under the bus without a thought.
Evileddie13 8y ago
Wow. This post has brought me back to the anger phase...WTF? MAKE ME WAIT....THEN OOOPS...MY BAD, I'LL FUCK YOU TOO. Women are FUCKING crazy.....
mygodimpathetic 8y ago
Bingo. I'm so wary of these "religious"/wait until marriage-type girls. I wasted so much time in my teens "dating" so-called "religious" "good" girls who would basically use me as an emotional/support tampon. They could do anything with you -- except have sex. Come college, first chance they get, they slut it up with some random dude. They are repressed sluts, who keep a social mask/veneer of religion around their parents/community, to appear innocent when they are everything but.
DuncanMonroe 8y ago
Someone give this guy the pill. He's ready to be unplugged.
daygamer69 8y ago
If he's truly ready... he will find us. (cue dramatic music)
[deleted] 8y ago
How sad, she goes off and fucks a random guy instead of the other guy that has been dating her and doing shit for her for years. No apparition at all, he is going to be mentally messed up from that for a long time.
80smadmaxonly 8y ago
This happened to me years ago. I spent six months wooing this chick with major oneitis. I played the game. She was religious, a virgin. I thought I'd found a MRS. She gave it up to some drunk one-night stand to a guy who didn't fill many of the "will marry or even date" list.
She did find her alpha bucks but he got MS soon after marriage, is in a wheelchair and they are dirt poor (he can't work anymore).
musclebound92 8y ago
What goes around comes around. I would like to say she got what she deserved, but thats a bit harsh... yeah, she got what she deserved.
Newdist2 8y ago
I have a lot of sympathy for the girl. Wait, don't downvote yet!
In civilized societies, women were protected from cads (Chads) like this. Our ancestors would have been horrified by the idea of letting an 18-year old virgin travel far away from all her family to socialize, unescorted, with attractive men.
But they wouldn't have been surprised at the ending. They knew women far better than today's feminists do.
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Gyissan 8y ago
He's 18 now. They got together when he was 14.
WidmerBeer 8y ago
Lesson learned here: Long distance relationships don't work, not even for a few weeks of vacation.
TL/DR about me. Girlfriend in Highschool goes on vacation. Comes back and breaks up with me. I know how this guy feels (except the virginity part).
A few days is more than enough time for a woman to change their mind about who she 'likes'. Loyalty and Honor don't even make the top 10 list of priorities for a girlfriend. They only realize how low it is on their priority list once the hamster gets tired and has to tie up loose ends.
This is also where everyone will tell you NAWALT, and yet we hear the same story over and over... even the virgin who was dating the boy next door since childhood. This story brings me a dark nostalgia feeling because I've been in a similar situation, only to remember the lesson we all must go through to really understand the words behind the meaning of AWALT.
exit_sandman 8y ago
She wasn't really into you in the first place and just needed an excuse to get out of her comfort zone and finally break up with you.
WidmerBeer 8y ago
Upvoted for being Correct in a way. She wasn't into me anymore when she left me for a dude who was 20 when she was 15, he drove a lifted truck, and spent all his money on tattoos and a coke habit. At that age, that's ALPHA bro.
exit_sandman 8y ago
Yup. I didn't want to insinuate that you should have known better, after all, at that age you hardly could have. But she wasn't into you, otherwise she would have had no problem waiting for two weeks.
Archwinger gets into that phenomenon down there in his post ...
...about girls who don't desire their boyfriends (I expanded on that subject).
It's not your fault, but it wasn't necessarily her fault either (apart from having a really questionable taste in men) - it was just that you weren't there and as soon as you were gone, you were also out of her mind.
WidmerBeer 8y ago
Yep. Variety is the spice of life + all is fair in love and war. So I don't look at anyone having faults because I don't see it as a math problem. I'm a realist in many ways in that I know people will pursue their own self-interests- I can't get mad at human nature, that is akin to being mad at the color of the sky.
Sdom1 8y ago
Honestly, she did him a huge favor. This way, he's 18 and free to go about his life with a valuable lesson learned. What if this had happened when he was 35 with three kids? He'd be screwed. And it would have happened eventually.
I don't agree that she necessarily wasn't attracted to him. I just think her reputation is more important to her, being in a highly religious community. When this guy kept coming on to her, she probably thought she could get away with a little bang bang and nobody would be the wiser. Then she could go back to playing the good daughter.
It's always fun to watch a plan just blow up in someone's face at like 50000 megatons.
Ibex3D 8y ago
God damn. These cheating posts stopped getting to me months ago. I only feel any emotion over the ones that involve getting men expelled, arrested, or fired for them doing doing essentially nothing. But holy hell, this one... I feel for this guy. Shit man... What can you do? AWALT
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And this is supposed to make him feel better? I think it'd hurt me more to be offered pity sex. How pathetic he must feel.
slurmfactory 8y ago
Yes, but he denied it and told her to fuck off. Good for him, a young ass kid in a brutal, brutal situation. 4 year girlfriend throws away everything to get some alpha dick.
RunawayGrain 8y ago
I wasn't even sure it was pity sex, from the description. It sounded more like a bribery attempt. It showed how much value she actually placed on sex.
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
Maybe it was rage. You don't know, reading that - I felt like I was him, and I felt rage when she offered sex to him like a bargaining tool.
Put yourself in his shoes, re-read the thing. It definitely wasn't happiness - I'd bet it was anger.
Papahoff25 8y ago
Same vibe I got. More like he meant "as if I'd want it now."
jb_trp 8y ago
Imagine if that's how he lost his virginity? Pity sex while he's almost crying with his ex-girlfriend who just cheated on him. That sounds like the most awkward and horrible way to lose your virginity ever.
I'm sure down the road the ex-girlfriend would have looked and would think about what a lousy fuck he was and how he was nothing compared to Chad. Thank God he said no.
Glenbert 8y ago
Who fucking cares how he loses his virginity?!? A man valuing his virginity and holding out for some special moment to lose it, like a woman, is destined for a lifetime of loneliness.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
You didn't say trigger alert.. Holy fuck me. Not virginity but that horrible, awkward, goodbye fuck with you both sobbing. Ouch.
zpatriarchy 8y ago
would you like some sloppy seconds? still warm, thanks to chad's cum
GoldPisseR 8y ago
The fucked up part is, the no of guys who'd actually like this is exponentially rising
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It's becoming more and more fetishised. Probably from some single-mother beta conditioning during childhood.
DRHipsterFaggot 8y ago
Honestly, I am one of those guys. There is a reason though. I have a natural inclination to be softer towards girls in bed. I know it's not the better move but that's my inclination, and I enjoy sex more that way honestly.
But in this case I would just utterly wreck and defile the girl, and then bounce. Like what a poetic opportunity, how could anyone pass that up.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
It seems tempting isn't it?But most guys get so broken thats its not a possibility for them
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exit_sandman 8y ago
They were deeply religious, don't forget that.
He probably thought that it was totally normal for a quality girl^TM to be willing wait that long.
unseen1unknown 8y ago
Best thing is to read these kind of stories before going to the gym.
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Rape is okay, then, because it's worse to be the responsible party than the the victim.
PMMeYourBootyPics 8y ago
Nope, because only women can be raped. In that case, being the victim is worse because being the woman in any situation is worse than being the man. But don't forget that women are actually stronger than men and should be treated the same, but actually better.
CaptainRP 8y ago
Does no one else think it's hilarious all this went down at a leadership conference?
Career women gonna sloot it up...
hermit087 8y ago
I imagine all conferences and conventions provide women with a good opportunity to hook up with the prominent men of their career field/sub culture.
Hamster_S_Thompson 8y ago
Yet still no cure for baldness
Postboned 8y ago
Can people in this sub just stop mentioning AFs/BBs? Please..?
The guy (OP) might be a brainwashed beta, but the guy she slept with was not an alpha; that was circumstantial. It was a guy at a trip that offered the hungry, depraved virgin a dick. Every girl that was raised in a religious, conservative society has turned out to be a massive whore because she was kept in secret and told not to do anything that could potentialy "defile her sinless body and bring dishonor to her family". You can say AWALT for women, yes, but whatever applies to them goes 10x for the ones who were depraved. It's like when your friend who doesn't party goes to one and gets totally fucked up and causes a lot of shit.
The story before sounds mental and very creepy in a sense so I am glad she cheated on him (in a way). Hopefully OP flirts with girls now and gets laid instead of dreaming about a Disney marriage.
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Rollo-Tomassi 8y ago
Forward this link to the kid:
http://therationalmale.com/2015/07/20/that-was-then/
EmpyMagazine 8y ago
Morality beta: The male who would have been bad ass had he trusted his instincts instead of his idealized faith. I was in a 3 year "courtship" with a Narcissistic Borderline churchian, and every time I thought about doing something red pill, I ignored it to be like Jesus. The girl turned on me and said I was a biblically unattractive puppy with no balls, and blamed me for us not having sex at all, even though she refused. I am so red pill now, I bang virgins and dump them the next day. I was broken and now I am a bull in a China shop. This story resonated with me a lot as well. Those idealistic views must be destroyed and the earlier the better.
CopperFox3c 8y ago
Again, the Relationships sub kills it with some horrible advice: you're a nice guy, just keep being a nice guy, and you'll win in the end ... this was a bad experience, not all women are like that, one day you'll find one that will really love you, forever and ever and ever.
TRP public service announcement for the day: AWALT.
Given the right time and circumstances, they will all do that. Protect yourself. Steel yourself. And for the love of god, do not think any woman is holier than thou ... depedestalize that shit.
trp_dude 8y ago
y123 posted an update (deleted by relationshit mods) few days ago:
Hello all, I am sorry to those of you who have been sending me p.m.'s asking me what is going on and if anything has changed. Honestly after my last post once I got to school I literally unplugged and have not been on the internet since other than for some research for a class. I shut off all of my social media and put my nose in my books and ass in the gym until I got home for the Christmas break. I was even planning on dropping all of my video games so I wouldn't get to deeply into that but then Fallout 4 came out and well.....
Now I'm back at school and I decided to give a brief update to all that occurred since.
To answer a lot of questions, no Lexi did not come out here to school. I honestly went from September to the second week of December without even hearing her name mentioned to me. My parents have been really cool about not talking about her or what has been going on and I've cut ties with everyone else from back home so it has been kind of easy to escape that whole scene.
I had to make a decision about coming home for Christmas or not and at first I was going to stay but then I felt like that would have been totally unfair to my parents and frankly me as I missed seeing them as well. So about a week before I was to come home I just asked them how things were and how I could avoid any type of drama. I got the run down of everything that had happened since I left and to make this as brief as I possibly can I'll just list out the high lights.
Lexi's Mom & my Mom initially didn't speak. Lexi's Mom & my Mom got together after thanksgiving and made up. Lexi has been seeing a therapist Lexi's family left the church that they had attended. People treated them fine but they felt that there was too much damage to stay. *Lexi took the year off and did not go to school. She is working at an office for the year.
Now the part that really kind of set me back some but I understand is this.
The first week of December my parents got together with Lexi's parents so Lexi could speak with them. My Mom said that she wanted to apologize to them and while my Dad did not want to go my Mom convinced him to. From her description it was quite the scene as she said Lexi spent the entire night crying. Ultimately my parents told her that they forgave her for hurting me but ultimately that they would never be able to tell me to forgive her. My Mom said that she still lives with the delusional notion that she can win me back.
I made it very clear and said under no circumstance did I want to see her, talk to her, talk about her, talk to her parents about her, talk to the minister about her and that if I felt ambushed in any way I was going to be very upset. My Mom said she understood and had told Lexi's parents that they didn't think I was coming home for Christmas. Also before I go any further let me state this. I have not gone out with anyone else. My original intent when I got to college was to just go at it with any woman I could find and move from one to the next and be a "slayer" so to speak.
I got to the gym and started hitting it and I will say I am in the best shape I have ever been in, my Uncle was stunned when he saw me on Christmas day because I have put on 23 lbs of muscle mass which doesn't sound like a lot but if you knew me you really can see the difference. But what happened was when I was lifting I met a group of guys who lifted as well and I just got to hanging with them and eventually I told them my story and the exact opposite of what I thought would happen happened. They didn't encourage me to do that, they told me to work on myself and then once I knew who I was and what I wanted to then start looking outwardly. I read a lot of self help books as well and I saw things about me that I didn't like so I am trying my best to work on those.
Anyway I managed to make it through almost the entire break without seeing her then of all the damned places on New Years eve I went with my Mom to get grocery's for their annual party that they have and of course who should be there and of course she would see me before I saw her.
What followed next was the worlds most awkward conversation because she was with her Mom and I was with mine. I was looking the other way and she walked up and tugged on my sleve and when I turned around there she was. I was stuck and could not run. So I had to stand there with a stupid fucking smile on my face pretending like this wasn't the person who literally killed the person I was. Bland dull bullshit conversation that it was. "how was school", "did I enjoy the weather", "did I join any clubs". The bonus statement was "have you been working out? You look great". I answered all of her questions dutifully and with a smile on my face, of which I was proud of myself. She then said it was great to see me and she didn't even know I was home and wanted to know if we could talk sometime before I went back to school. Because I didn't want to cause a scene in the middle of the store I told her that if I had a chance, sure.
She then tried to hug me. She tried to fucking hug me. I couldn't take that part and recoiled from her. Not trying to be mean and I didn't try and make it obvious but it was clear that I backed away. She got teary eyed and turned away.
I fucking hate this. I spend months working on myself trying to get past this and I had a great hate built up towards her. But for whatever reason her crying as she turned away from me damn near killed me. Every emotion that I had been working on and building a wall against seemed to buckle at that moment and I felt more sad after that than I had since the day she told me about her cheating.
I tried to play it off cool with my Mom but I think she knew. I got home and put on my gym clothes and went to hit the gym to get my head straight only to find out that they were closed for new years eve. Ugh.
Party was shit, well that's not true it was as good as always but I was shit. She had no way of texting me as I have her blocked on everything. So she showed up at my parents house on Saturday. My Mom answered the door and came and asked me if I wanted to talk with her.
Like a dumb ass I said yes.
More of the same dull mindless conversation and then she just said that basically she wanted to tell me again how sorry she was.
I simply said "ok". I wasn't giving her the satisfaction of saying she was forgiven or anything. She went on to tell me about being in therapy and how that is "helping" her. She said a lot of stuff but I only could listen to so much before I started shutting her out in my mind. I basically ended up telling her that I was glad she was getting "help" if she thought she needed it but beyond that I could not give her anything else. She said that she knows she blew it with me but wanted to at least try some day to be friends again. I just told her "someday, maybe". I then told her I had to start packing to leave. This time she was smarter and held out her hand for a handshake, which I actually kind of chuckled at and so did she.
She left, I felt like shit and then I had to leave.
All I can say is that this must be what it's like for a person who is an alcoholic who falls off of the wagon after being sober for a long time.
I got back here to school and was able to get into a routine of workouts again so that has helped a ton. But now my head is all fucked up again. Now instead of hating every fiber of her being for what she did to us I find myself at night the past three nights missing her or at least who she was. Seeing her was the worst thing ever, I would have been okay I think if I could have seen her when I was prepared and had a shield up but I was caught off guard. I can't forgive her, I hate her for what she did. But at the same time I loved her for so long and to see her hurt now after my initial rage sucks.
I can only assume that I am going to have to go back to the routine that got me here. But the problem is I'm not engulfed with rage anymore so that fire isn't there. Maybe its time to actually try and meet another girl. I'm kind of lost. Do you think burying my head back into the books and working out is the answer or should I do some of that but also open myself up to looking for someone else. I don't have any prospects at the moment and I've never been with anyone else. But a lot of the self help books were lessons in confidence and yes some of them were pick artist books so I can put into practice what I read.
Any helpful advice would be appreciated.
tl;dr: Ran into ex at grocery store on n.y. eve and every old wound was ripped open. Had improved greatly but now a hot mess. Advice appreciated.
AnalogSignal 8y ago
That person is correct but they did not finish the sentence. He will win all right, he will win the booby prize; a 37 year old single mother with HPV and 160,000 miles on her odometer who is ready to settle down because she "had her fun".
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
It's worth noting that the "right circumstances" aren't necessarily some carefully crafted scenario of manipulation, hotness, and confidence.
This girl was with the same boy for 4 years. No sex, ever. No matter how long things went on, how close they grew together, how many times he tried or they talked about it. Because this guy was willing to stand by her, even under those circumstances.
The new guy at camp? There's a sense of urgency. They're only there for a couple of weeks. He's forward about wanting sex. He's had sex before. He has options with other women - even other women right there at camp.
He didn't have to really do anything or craft any crazy situation to bully her into sex. He just had to walk up, talk, escalate over a few days, then go for sex. She liked him. She was attracted. She knew that if she wanted to keep things going with him and keep her chance alive, she couldn't do the same things she'd been doing with her boyfriend back home.
She knew he wouldn't stand for that, and he probably didn't even need to say a word about it. It's quite possible that she didn't even make a big deal about losing her virginity to him and just had sex when he escalated like it was a natural thing to do, to avoid putting him off or making him feel like he had to work for it or earn it. Because she knew he wouldn't stick around for less. Without him having to bully or threaten her. He just had to be attractive.
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MrRexels 8y ago
AWALT is public service announcement for every day.
brianjamesxx 8y ago
AWALT my fuckin alarm clock
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The top comment is trying to feed him the blue pill
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He didn't fail, the system did.
laere 8y ago
That advice is what leads to guys marrying bitches off tinder. Sickening reality.
UniversalFapture 8y ago
But don't you meet with the people on tinder? I thought that app paired you with people of the same interests?
Newdist2 8y ago
Tinder is a fuckbuddy app. Nothing more.
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whyalwaysm3 8y ago
While I agree with you on "do not think any woman is holier than thou" I must also say OPs post is a little too dramatic.
These are kids we are talking about, I know the age for becoming an adult is 18 but if we are being honest with ourselves most of us were still not "real adults" until our mid or late 20s.
This story OP brought up is probably why lots of people laugh at "The Red Pill". At that age this is common. I'm someone who now literally has no problem getting laid if I want to by attractive girls, but even I made embarassing mistakes when I was younger, that's how you learn. You can't expect a teenager to know what to do in the situations, experience teaches that, I think we can all agree on that.
A lot of posts on this sub I can't help but laugh at and no wonder so many guys on here have problems getting laid. When you're making fun of a teenager who at least has a girlfriend, you really should chill out on this sub and go outside and interact with some females.
I'm just being honest here and the guys who have success with girls will know what I'm talking about.
BrunoOh 8y ago
Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that a Celibate Boyfriend is anything other than a #1 orbiter.
Parahnah 8y ago
It's just a nice case study on how it is to be raised BP and AWALT. OP wasn't attacking the guy for not knowing anything.
tyrryt 8y ago
The point isn't that the guy was gullible, but that the girl strung him along and manipulated him for years and years, then instantly betrayed him on a whim with a stranger.
whyalwaysm3 8y ago
Dude once again...he's a TEENAGER. Fuck you expect?!
tyrryt 8y ago
dude fuck difference make? dude fuck.
fuck point is her fuck actions, not his fuck age.
fuck teenager fuck old man, she fuck deceive fuck betray fuck manipulate. fuck awalt.
whyalwaysm3 8y ago
Take your Meds or get help.
AdonisHera 8y ago
I, like most of you guys read that and had flashbacks to my red pill awakening moment. I had a similar situation, and I felt absolutely awful for the kid. Usually I don't give a fuck, but part of me saw myself within this kid. May god once he unplugs, he's gonna fucking slay. I'm so thankful I read stuff like this before bed. AWALT. Never get attached. Treat them like sluts. Pump and dump till you can't pump and dump no more. Revenge? The best revenge is massive success. The bitch isn't worth his time or effort. I don't even know this kid and I just wanna be there for him. Yeah that sounds gay, but Ive been there and I know how he feels. She created a monster...
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Well, you don't hear that kind of stupid everyday
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what's next, "won't happen again, i promise"?
nicethingyoucanthave 8y ago
True but totally irrelevant. It wasn't his job to give a shit about her. It was her job to give a shit about her.
Is this really the way her thought process goes: "everything will work out for me unless someone somewhere doesn't give a shit about me and my relationship with my boyfriend, because if that happens, I have no defense."
Stationarity 8y ago
Imagine if they were together for four years, then the guy went away to camp... and came back married to another girl. There would be hell to pay from these commenters.
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This post slammed me right in the feels... This story is the fucking definition of Red Pill, having your naivety ripped to shreds at a tender age is just so brutal. I pity the girl too, she got used and discarded and you could tell she knew that she fucked up big time. Shit like this makes me glad I'm a man.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
The important lesson here isn't to understand the guy. Because we get him. We've been him. We know him. He is us and we are him.
The important lesson here is to understand the girl.
She meets a guy at age 14 and is with him every day for 4 years. It's safe to guess that this church-going, nice girl has never truly gotten involuntarily moist downstairs for a man that she's really and truly attracted to. For her, relationships are like what you see on some teen rom-com TV show. Shmoopy hand-holding, pet names, cuddling in front of the TV. That first kiss being a big deal.
Of course sex is off the table. Because you're not supposed to do that until you're grown up, maybe even married. She doesn't know that she's not attracted to her boyfriend, because she's never actually been attracted to a guy before. At least not a guy who's offered. She has no basis for comparison. She genuinely believes this is how it's supposed to be.
When a hot, confident guy who knows what he wants hits on her, this is new to her. She probably doesn't get hit on that often. Not because she's not cute, necessarily, but most guys are pussies who are afraid to hit on women. So this is new - and honestly probably pretty uncomfortable. But on some level, it's not uncomfortable just because it's offensive and she has a boyfriend -- it's uncomfortable because she kind of likes it and likes the attention.
She's never actually felt that way about a person before. She's finally met a man she's attracted to, and her mind begins to attach extreme emotional significance to these feelings her body is having. When telling her boyfriend, she even describes it as she "had a relationship" with the guy, however brief. Eventually, in the heat of a moment, she says to herself "Oh fuck it" and has sex with the guy, even though she's a virgin who was saving it for her long-term boyfriend that she loves.
She's been in the heat of many moments with her boyfriend over the last four years, but was never, ever of a mind to say "oh fuck it" and get lost in the moment with him.
Even now, after all of this, she doesn't quite understand what took place. In her mind, this "just happened." She's honestly confused. Because she knows she has a boyfriend of 4 years. She knows she likes him. She just doesn't understand (yet) that she's not attracted to him. Not like that. She really doesn't know why she threw her relationship away (nor does she know that it's for the best and was the right thing to do).
To her credit, she confesses. To everything. He didn't know everything, and she could have stopped her story when it became clear he didn't, but she fessed up. She did rationalize a bit "we only had sex once", she offered to have sex with her (now-ex) boyfriend. But she doesn't get it. She'd probably have initiated the break-up herself if the other guy wanted something serious with her, but her mind hasn't even gone there.
Her mistake goes far deeper than cheating. She monopolized a guy for four years when she wasn't attracted to him. She used him. He was her time and emotional whore. She didn't mean to do it, but that's what she did, and that was her real crime. The cheating was just a product of who she was and wasn't attracted to. She'll come to understand that and maybe make better choices in the future. But wasting a guy's life for four years? That's rough.
exit_sandman 8y ago
+1, another quality post.
I think that's a HUGE part of the modern dating culture - adolescents getting together when she isn't really attracted to him (this doesn't just happen in religious communities) and treating that as normal.
Think of your average girl: Young, impressionable, but possibly unrealistically hypergamous, like having a crush on a boygroup popstar or something like that. Now of course, the guys in her vicinity can't eve remotely measure up to her dreams. Yet she's 13, 14 or 15 (whatever), and her girl friends are starting to get boyfriends. She picks the most passable of her orbiters or suitors or whatever and starts a relationship with him. He's romantic and kinda cute, but she isn't really into him. But she has been bombarded with messages of how it's normal that women want sex less than men (true), from sitcoms to articles to whatever; and possibly also that 14 or 15 is too young to have sex anyway (arguably true as well), and therefore her lack of attraction is normal and nothing to worry about. Possibly also that she is under some nebulous obligation to desire for "what's inside" and that she should appreciate personal decency instead of hotness. So she waits until "she feels it's right" with her boyfriend, a day that never comes. She tells herself she "loves" him, and maybe she even has a mild crush on him (or had at some point), but she doesn't feel actual desire for him. And so they date without ever having sex.
Now think of the guy who dates a girl like that: he has been bombarded with messages that women want sex less than men, and how it's objectifying to want to sleep with women unless you extensively court her, and that you're to young for sex anyway if you're 14 or 15. And the fact that his girlfriend refuses to put out is just normal for him: after all, he didn't hear anything else. He's oblivious to the fact that his chaste and timid girlfriend would probably drop her panties for her favorite star in a heartbeat and be open to a lot more than kissing and handholding if she got the chance, and that he's a mere placeholder and attention spender for her. For him, women not wanting sex is a source of frustration, but not something he can do about. He tries his best of convincing her to do the deed, yet he never gets there - but he sticks to her because of the sunk cost fallacy: he's afraid that when he leaves, someone else will snag her away and will be where no man has been before before him, but when he just waits a bit longer, maybe a few months or half a year or whatever date that in reality never comes, he'll be the one who gets it. However, while trying to snipe at sex with his girlfriend, he's wasting all other opportunities and, more importantly, gets into the "sex is something I have to work for and a woman is giving to me"-mindset. Which means that unless he gets a nasty unplugging-moment (like him never getting any and his girlfriend sleeping with the first guy after him withing days or weeks), he's on a perfect beta trajectory for his later life.
When I was that age, my mentality regarding dating was always the assumption that for adolescents, it's normal to date without having sex. You get into relationships at 14 or 15, but you don't have sex for the next two years (which is possibly longer than your first one or two relationships last anyway). I always thought that there's such a thing as it being "too soon" (age-wise as well as relationship duration-wise) for sex, and that girls need to be comfortable first when it comes to losing their virginity. The idea that all those girls who "outwaited" their first relationships or at least waited over a year before throwing their boyfriend some pity sex wasn't even remotely sketchy for me - after all, they said all the time how in love they were and how awesome their boyfriends were. That they were just hamstering their lack of attraction away, that them not having sex was less due to them not wanting sex and more due to them not wanting sex with their boyfriend never occured to me. After all, all I've ever heard was that girls loved deeper, less superficial, more sincere, needed an emotional connection and all that shit. So whenever a girl was in a relationship, she surely must have truly loved her boyfriend (otherwise she wouldn't be in a relationship with him), didn't she? The fact that the female desire dynamic was pretty similar to that of males ("I want to fuck you because you're hot") completely eluded me was in no small part due to the cultural conditioning outlined above (a nasty side effect was that I never bothered to show sexual interest because I was afraid to give of the wrong impressions of being one of "these guys" who are just playing with girls' feelings and dumped them after sleeping with them; which certainly worked against me).
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This is why you are an endorsed poster.
mygodimpathetic 8y ago
TIL: Archwinger might actually be a 17 year old girl trapped in a man's body.
Seriously though, you hit the nail on the head man.
Happens so often before RP. Had a friend who also dated a very religious, "good" girl who dragged him on for years for sex. Only to lose to her virginity less than 2 weeks after she broke up with him to some random dbag.
TheDialecticParadox 8y ago
I genuinely find it uncomfortable to read things from the hamster's perspective. It's like reading from the perspective of a child.
BreezeDM 8y ago
this is so good I wish I could give you all my internet reddit points. Thank you.
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edmproducerXX 8y ago
I am not sure to this but if her mother was in a sorority and at present has close connection with a sorostitute, does that count as a red flag ?
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Reading these stories, day after day, I feel like it puts me into some sort of another depression/anger phase. I read these and when i try and go out to talk to women on tinder or in person, it almost makes it impoissble. I know ill never be loved the way i want, and theres such a potential for me to be cheated on. Sometimes i wish i could say "its not all girls that are like that" but id be lying, because AWALT.
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Another important a lesson as it relates to the girl is that ALL females, regardless of age, require constant supervision. Traveling female + remote location + alpha males = someone is getting fucked.
This applies to 18 y/o girls at summer camp, college sorority girls, 20-something girls backpacking in Europe and 30+ y/o professional women at offsite sales meetings or on vacation in Jamaica.
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Sdom1 8y ago
Remember that you're constructing this narrative, and you sound like you don't have a lot of experience with highly religious communities. I do, and let me put forth my own to compare:
She may have tingles for the ex-boyfriend, but the risk to her reputation is too high for her to let him fuck her, especially considering how intertwined their families are.
This is really common with girls from highly religious communities. It's not that she's unwilling, or unattracted, it's just that the penalties are too damned high if she's found out. But for a guy from the outside that is discreet? It's oftentimes shockingly easy, they just have to trust that you're not a blabbermouth and that you seem experienced.
She probably thought she could get away with it in the heat of the moment, and later realized that his cousin was at camp and it could get out. So, she makes a tearful, halfway confession (we just hung out) and when she realizes he has evidence and knew there was more, she cracked and offered up way too much info. If she had more experience, she probably could have said they kissed and he would have bought it and gotten past it.
Then, realizing she's in the deep water with no life jacket, she begs and throws pussy at him in a last ditch effort to stop everything from coming out. Note that the only thing that really changed was her risk assessment. Now, fucking him carries a lower level of risk, so that's what she offers.
EDIT: Honestly, if he weren't so hurt by it, I'd recommend he take the pussy deal and milk it for all it's worth. When they go away to school, they can break up and claim it was the distance. But, he gets laid for a year nonstop.
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RunawayGrain 8y ago
Except she won't. It will be his fault, and she will make up some bullshit to maintain her rep. Best thing this guy could do is calmly tell everyone in church the truth of it.
Sdom1 8y ago
Depends on what you like. Some guys and girls love themselves a good hate fuck. My statement was more of a joke, though, as he's too young to be like that (thank God).
Grifter32 8y ago
It said they were going to the same College
Sdom1 8y ago
Then go to college and say you've just chosen to go your separate ways. College educated parents will understand.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
My God man, you make it sound as if these two were married. Your understanding and rendition of the female hamster is really something to behold.
However, there is no good evidence that she was not attracted to him. One might assume she was more attracted to Chad but why do we assume she was not attracted to him. Had Beta boy taken the bull by the horns and pushed the issue (like every single previous generation in human history before the very recent 'rape culture' hysteria) then I am sure they would have been married and had 3 kids before she cucked him.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
That's a very fair point. In fact, part of the reason her current boyfriend wasn't attractive was very likely his willingness to tuck his tail between his legs, time and time again, never hold his ground, never stick his neck out for what he wanted -- all while thinking he was doing exactly what she wanted him to do, thereby earning her love.
She didn't consciously understand that she was shit testing him, mind you. She just did what she was supposed to do, which was attempt to avoid sex. And he failed the unconscious test. Had he responded the way he was supposed to, which was to be honest with himself and her about what he really wanted and about the value he was really getting out of the relationship (read: not rape her, but also not stick around in a four-year relationship where he wanted something she didn't), she'd probably have fucked him, and probably wouldn't have regretted it.
She might still have fucked the other guy at camp, but that's how attraction works. Her boyfriend was unattractive, so she treated him like women treat unattractive men. Like a time whore.
lightfire409 8y ago
Beautiful post. And to the men scolding her for doing this, realize that it was inevitable. These teen relationship often end like this.
Women are reactionary in nature. I don't blame her as 95% of women in that scenerio would secumn to those feelings of actual intense desire which they have never experienced before.
flamethrowup 8y ago
I laughed. You mean "succumb."
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
This is what scares me as someone dating a girl who's only slept with 2 guys before me and has only had 4 relationships. She sucks my dick on demand and wears lingerie every time we fuck, but she never gets horny. Wet? Yep. But she hasn't gotten horny for a whole year before she met me, and her testosterone levels are low even for a woman. She's 19. I'll never know if she's just unable to feel horny for any guy or if I'm just not sexually attractive enough.
She'll break down in tears sometimes because she knows I'm too good for her. I was the high school star athlete, I go to a top 10 school and I'm starting to get aesthetic. She has 0 self esteem. So definitely, she sees me as impressive. But as far as tingles go? I'm not sure.
That's exactly it. She's not attracted to him on that sexual level. She's a teenager - more likely than not she's insecure, afraid, and he provides stability and safety. That's why the marriage talk. That's why she's not fucking him.
Honestly, he might not feel like he was used. I remember before I got jaded, I wanted more than just sex - I wanted companionship, someone to love, someone to love me back, a lot of teenage boys want sex and love. So to say his time was completely wasted, maybe not. He got something from her, and although he had an idealised version of her fit for marriage, he wasn't completely being used.
Hell, I would've loved having a girlfriend in high school, even without sex for the social status it brings, for the ability to focus on more important shit now that I'm getting some of my emotional needs met. Think about all the time a teenage boy wastes on sappy shit trying to win a girl over. I still get disgusted by what I did.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
It doesn't matter how awesome you are. Attraction isn't a voluntary thing. The right guy doing the right things in the right way can sometimes make a woman feel attraction. And sometimes women feel attraction spontaneously based on a guy's looks or something else about him.
The very fact that you are with a girl currently costs you a few points. Agreeing to date someone? Be exclusive? That alone sacrifices some of your power and options.
Never stop improving, but don't do it for her. You're improving for you. You have a mission in life. She's just along for the ride. You'll graciously let her hitch her wagon to yours, but the second her wagon gets heavy and inconvenient, you'll cut her loose, so she'd better damn well make sure her wagon is carrying something you want in your life.
Because there's always someone better, and that someone better might decide to slum it up with your girl, and she'll notice he's better and might make a bad choice. And it's her choice to make. You don't own her. She's not yours. It's just your turn.
I suppose it's a very generous and optimistic way to look at this guy's situation, to say that he "got something" out of his four year relationship. Glass half full and all. He definitely got something. But is what he got better than what he would have gotten had he spent the past four years dating a different girl, or multiple different girls, who were actually into him and not just clinging to him out of ignorance and insecurity? Or all that time and attention and energy he devoted to her - couldn't he have put that somewhere more productive? Yeah, he didn't get nothing out of this, but did he really get the best possible deal for his time? Time he'll never get back?
cariboo_j 8y ago
I agree with you. But that's hard to reconcile with investing anything in an LTR. There's always some sacrifice the man has to make. Men expect future compensation and loyalty for past investment in an LTR. (Yeah yeah, that's incorrect, AWALT). But if you don't expect any, why bother?
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I say this all the time IRL to friends, and it makes their heads spin. A great example is those posts where someone finds a video/secret/confession that they got railed by 3 dudes at a college party.
Of course, the top comment is "she chose you though!"
If you can't look at her the same way again, for whatever reason, there's no way you're going to intellectualize being attracted to her.
BrunoOh 8y ago
You might not be fucking her right.
Postboned 8y ago
C'mon, we're not supposed to speak truth here.
flamethrowup 8y ago
And to add to /u/Requi3m 's comment, why are you still with this girl? She has zero self esteem, which makes it likelier she'll cheat on you; she doesn't measure up to you, which means you can get a better deal elsewhere; and most importantly, she's not that attracted to you (if she were, you'd know). That last part means that when she encounters someone she thinks is hotter than you, she'll either dump you or cheat on you if she gets the chance. And even if she doesn't, if you discover in her past that she felt the kind animal desire for previous partners that you somehow don't inspire, it'll crush your self-esteem no matter how red pilled you are. You're setting yourself up to be either cheated on or be that guy from the relationships thread who realized his wife got more excited for a guy who "forced" sex acts on her than she ever did for her own husband.
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
Honestly? Easy sex.
I'm not 21 - can't go out and do anything at the clubs or bars. She's just a placeholder until I get jacked and can actually match with girls on tinder.
Gyissan 8y ago
She understands that your relationship isn't serious and long-term then, right?
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
It's long term but we both know it has an expiration date.
slurmfactory 8y ago
Brutal.
"The emotions and tingles are always > everything else. Always."
This was what I learned when I was 16 and realized that girls instinctively flock and follow whomever can provide them with this. And not just that, but any male who doesn't give them these feelings, aka not alpha males, is literally irrelevant and treated like an asexual being... Literally nothing matters more than the tingles/ emotions. Nothing.
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I don't doubt she loved him, and I actually feel kind of sorry for her. All her sexual life she's been treated like a princess by a clearly very nice kid, but biology kicked in and she needed to submit herself to alpha behavior at some point.
Warning message to all young men reading this: don't treat girls like these perfect princesses. Treat them like a buddy, make them crave your attention and they'll subconsciously think you're better than them. Wish I knew this when I was 19.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
See, I know women love alpha behaviour
But the right women manage to supress their desire till the right time and only get dominated by their husbands.Of course,you'll have to wait for sex if you want a shot at a proper relationship.
Its works out great, because if her husbands fucks her like a ragdoll, he also cares,provides for her and kids.Her desire for being rough fucked also remains satiated.
But if she is getting pumped and dumped it'll just damage her psyche forever.She'll actually resent her future husband for being loser enough to marry her after being used for so long.
Kayak_Fisherdude 8y ago
Damn how true is that last part? I'm not disagreeing but that resentment for her own decisions sounds fucking awful.
Overkillengine 8y ago
"You know why your woman hates you? Because you weren't her first choice!" - Chris Rock.
I_luv_twinks 8y ago
There was some post in there where some feminist said something along the lines of "it's troubling how entitled you feel about her body."
I was about to go off, but then I remembered I'm banned from there.
Kenny_Twenty 8y ago
Thank god thank god thank god that I've learned what I have learned - and also that I'm mostly dead inside now.
The girl I lost my V card to ended up cheating on me with a new fuck buddy for the last 6 months of our year and a half relationship.
Follow that up with plenty of bluepill behavior over the next five years - had several women lead me on. Denied sex from many. Out-competed by more confident men.
I've learned much since then. And much of it the hard way. Although, a significant amount has been from here and I consider that the easy way.
Now I am fucking my boss on her boyfriend's bed while he is away on a business trip. I figured out how to behave like a man and I've learned how to fuck like Optimus Prime and now she is absolutely addicted to me. Sexy pics all the time and asks for pics with my shirt off.
Also, I'm fucking another co worker regularly. My boss knows about the coworker but not vice-a-versa. My friends thought my boss would get upset and cut me off if she found out but I knew better. I knew it would make her desire me even more, thanks to you guys. Preselection. Now she wants to impress me.
Reworking 8y ago
Don't shit where you eat, Optimus.
Kenny_Twenty 8y ago
I know you're right but fuck it.
vzhu 8y ago
You got a contingency plan?
Kenny_Twenty 8y ago
It's not my career. It's just a job while I'm in school. So the job is not high value. The risk isn't very high in my situation. At least in my opinion.
Although, that's still just my rationale. It's not the smartest thing to do no matter how you look at it. I'm still trying to be better than what I am. It's a work in progress.
redpillbanana 8y ago
My favorite comment is the top one:
Yes it was. He took himself off the market for her - and missed out on 4 years of hot teen sex.
Men should, in general, take the most direct route to sex. If a woman makes you wait, then tell that GPS to re-route you straight to other women.
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It wasn't a waste. He learned the lesson of a lifetime. It will either make or break him.
Sementeries 8y ago
I'd slap fire from that person.
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redpillbanana 8y ago
It was a waste.
He might learn a valuable lesson, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a waste of 4 years of his life.
Glenbert 8y ago
You watch too many movies. This was never something this kid could have had.
redpillbanana 8y ago
You're probably right, but never say never. There's plenty of teen sex going on, if the teen pregnancy rate is any indicator.
Glenbert 8y ago
There's supposedly much less of it than when I was a teen in the 90s. Especially for boys (ie same-age and beta males). Rest assured that any boy committing to a girl that his mother introduced him to is not a boy who would have otherwise come out on top in that SMP.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
You got to go slow on sex if you are looking for a relationship. No matter how alpha you are there'll always be better guys willing to fuck your chick.
So its a good sign if she makes you wait even when she's attracted to you.Less chances of her whoring out in the future.
A woman giving into tingles without thinking about her future is never a good bet for a relationship.
BattleDrillOneAlpha 8y ago
lol nonsense.
Tell that my friend who is muscular and went on two dates, with a girl I would rate a 8.5, and did nothing. I told him to escalate, but he wanted to "Wait, because I want a relationship with her."
Lets just say she has latched onto another dude already. He blew his chance. Like others have said just because she didn't fuck you on the first date doesn't mean that she didn't fuck other guys on the first date. It is nonsense to wait. It literally tells you nothing about the type of girl she is; the nerdy librarian girl may make you wait and still bang another guy while you are just "Waiting for the right time because I want a relationship." Play with the cards you are dealt.
BeautyQuark 8y ago
A woman will think an alpha is not interested in her, if he does not escalate. Alpha's have sex on command and she will think there is a mental defect if he does not escalate. Thus, he is either not attracted, or has personal issues.
Manmore 8y ago
Sounds like my buddy, good looking muscular guy with serious dance skills. Pulls a lot of ass. He's a total fucking asshole though, treats women like dirt.
Recently he met a girl he wanted to "date". Of course he changes his whole approach, from something that actually works to mr nice guy beta provider. Six dates, no sex. Wants to take it slow, because "this might be something serious".
For the first time in his life he gets dumped because she "doesn't know what she wants in life"
GoldPisseR 8y ago
But I have no interest in a girl who has fucked other guys on the first date.She repulses me.
Isnt the whole point of relationship is to feel special somehow?
If it was just sex,I'd rather hire a high priced escort than risking fucking diseased sluts.
redpillbanana 8y ago
That's fine if she wants to wait, but I'm not waiting.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
Starting a relationship right off sex is just a bad fucking idea.It may work but greater chances it won't.
Again if you are only looking for a hookup , don't wait.
How will you trust a girl for relationship who gives up so easy?
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It's hard to trust them at all. On one hand, DM:HS. The other hand, finding that unicorn. To some of us, it's real.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
Can we agree on some middle ground between a hookup and four fucking years.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
How about not take a high school relationship as reference at all?
They were 14 when they started
RedPharaohRising 8y ago
The nebulous dichotomy I never understood: Are you not alpha enough or is it her code?
Do you wait or not?
By pumping and dumping the few good girls that are left, we are ruining them for posterity.
What does a good girl do? Hold off, and lose the man who made her tingle vs. Offer her pussy and realise she will be regarded as easy and not LTR worthy?
CaptainRP 8y ago
She learns how to suck a golf ball through a hose.
[deleted] 8y ago
Damn straight. It means men need to straighten the fuck up with their expectations. You can't have whores AND good women for relationships at the same time. So in a way, some men have entitlement complexes.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
There are 3.5 billion women on earth. You can have whatever you want.
Fuck as many sluts as you feel like and as many good girls, too. There's plenty more where that came from. None of them are unique or special.
If you want to try your had at something exclusive, find a decent one. If you ruin her or she sucks, try again. There's a limitless pile of women. Just keep fucking them and stop thinking this one or that one is special and you have to somehow make it last for fear of losing her.
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I wasn't suggesting to pedestalize them. I'm just pointing out that it is stupid for men to complain about whorish women when they're the ones selecting those types and expecting LTR quality women.
Sementeries 8y ago
Just because she didn't fuck you right away doesn't mean she'll do the same with the next guy.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
I care about her past ,not future
Sementeries 8y ago
All sluts were virgins at one time, but curiosity becomes a heavy load, too heavy to hold.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
Most women become sluts because of getting pumped and dumped.Their ego takes such a hit that they lose all sense of things.
Sementeries 8y ago
You started off pretty decent, now you went kamikaze "girls all become sluts because of meany-head guys" nosedive into the ground.
twinyix 8y ago
I don't believe this is a nosedive. AWALT means a woman's nature will drive their AF/BB sexual strategy. With a culture in place, there can be restrictions on AF/BB that allow civilizations to prosper.
This means that it's not the fault of the "meany-head" or the "slut." This is not a question of agency, this is how nature works without the restrictions in place.
Now there are steps you can take seek an optimal long-term strategy, like /u/GoldPisseR mentioned. Under the assumption that the woman knows the value of her virginity, the woman will try to take the necessary steps to avoid losing that value. So if she wants to take it slow, it can mean that she understands this.
However, from my experiences, most Western women do not know how this works and will default to the BB strategy. Instead of withholding sex because she knows it's value, she does it because you're not good enough (not AF)
GoldPisseR 8y ago
No shit.Alpha widows are some of the most broken sluttiest chicks you'll come across
Sementeries 8y ago
Sure thing, White Knight. I want you to realize that bitches should take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming men.
EDIT: You are doing a complete 180 from your top comment in this thread. Interesting.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
Who the fuck is blaming the guy and where have I defended this bitch of a girl? Go through my comments
Its a guy's game to score sex and a girl's game to garner commitment.And she lost within a fucking week.
You think she'd come back to her BF if the alpha was willing to date her?She was sad because the first dick she had moved onto another girl so fast.
B_Campbell 8y ago
I feel for the dude but OP's play by play cracks me up.
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jewishclaw 8y ago
As a general rule, the time you catch someone cheating (or anything else), it is unlikely it was the first time. That said, this was probably the first time. Not because she's an oak of virtue, but because it really sounds like she's been very sheltered and there have been logistical hurdles to getting her guts mashed.
Newdist2 8y ago
Disagree. OP and his family and her family have been mate-guarding her since she hit puberty.
Gyissan 8y ago
So she basically fucked over her parents, OP's family, OP, and herself, AND ruined her relationship with her family and OP's family. All because she couldn't just keep it in her fucking pants. Mind-boggling.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 8y ago
Women always have casual sex with random strangers when they travel--it's all about bringing genetic variety back with them when they finally return to the home tribe.
This is also why she offered to have sex with her boyfriend as soon as they re-united (it had nothing to do with her feeling contrite): in caveman days, it would have been: 1) have sex with attractive alpha male while briefly visiting faraway tribe, 2) return to home tribe and immediately have sex with caring beta, 3) wait a month while the two sperm armies fight it out amongst each other, 4) get pregnant from the strongest sperm (almost certainly the alpha's), 5) congratulate caring beta on becoming a new father, 6), caring beta raises son of alpha from neighboring tribe as his own, devoting all the time, energy, resources etc at his disposal, never knowing the child is not actually his, and finally 7) women's sexual strategy has been optimized--she got the genes of the attractive warrior alpha (which will in turn make the child more attractive, and so the cycle continues, see "Sexy Sons Hypothesis") and the protection of the caring provider beta, all at the same time. Classic textbook Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks.
Check out SPERM WARS by Robin Baker for more on this, fascinating book and required reading for all Red Pillers.
(Also, didn't Roosh have a post about this not too long ago? Guy waited years for his virgin girlfriend to give it up to him, she kept putting him off and putting him off, one day girl took a trip to a foreign country and ended up losing her virginity to some random guy like days after they met? Perhaps someone can post a link here in the comments...)
BetterRedThanRed 8y ago
That's not how it works. Not at all.
Reworking 8y ago
...do you not understand how reproduction works?
pencilpusher13 8y ago
She totally liked the camp kid and thought that it was going to go somewhere and she was prepared to leave OP behind. However, how much you want to bet that night cries at camp were because the camp dude shut her down after they banged and was probably scared off by her neediness. She only wants OP because she can't be alone
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Newdist2 8y ago
Any chance she had already fucked the other guy at this point, and was scared she was pregnant by him?
xray777 8y ago
Wasn't pregnant, but that's possible.
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slurmfactory 8y ago
lmao its accurate tho. kid wanted to make love to her, she wanted to get fucked by big dick bro.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
This comment almost made me throw my mobile
Postboned 8y ago
But the comment is right, when you think about it. The guy got to FUCK her. She didn't wanted to be MADE LOVE to. Get it now?
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It's interesting how they word it to create their narrative.
They use the word "fuck" to describe Chad's alpha sex that they think OP shouldn't be having, yet they use the gentle "make love" to describe the beta commitment sex that OP should have been having when his special snowflake felt all good and ready.
Some of you will think this means nothing, but how something is worded changes your perspective of it.
Ronin11A 8y ago
And it's hilarious, because 9 out of 10 women I've met prefer to "get fucked hard" than "made love to" any day of the week (twice on Sundays).
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Postboned 8y ago
The ones that say they like being made love to: 30%
The ones that say they like getting rammed: 70%
The actual statistic: 100%
IoSonCalaf 8y ago
At least he's learning young.
Thizzlebot 8y ago
Hopefully. Otherwise it's the start of a long, sad pathetic life.
Final_Round 8y ago
Better at 18 than 24-25. Shit, I'm still learning, but I'm alright with that. Progress is progress.
Glenbert 8y ago
You will forget this lesson and then it will get beaten back into to you in your 30s.
Try to avoid it.
LancerKagato 8y ago
fuck, wish I found it at 24-25....I was almost 29 when I took the pill.
sirmadam 8y ago
22 checking in. 23 and starting to our wheels in motion.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
22 year old also checking in. Wish I knew this at 18.
ROLLINGSTONE6 8y ago
17 , turning 18 in 4 days. I feel so damn lucky
Final_Round 8y ago
Yeah yeah yeah, showoff. Haha.
Also, not so much sage advice, but my uncle told me this when I was still a wee squid, "u/Final_Round, you can make mistakes, just don't make the same one's that I made."
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
PROTIP: Spin plates in college. I missed this opportunity. I turned 18 in my freshman year of college. I was in a very different place in life. Christian. On my own. A & B student. Thought that being a good guy was a deprecating asset in the world so I was being different. Honestly thought women has a sense of integrity and respect.
I'm 22 turning 23 now. I've only had a handful of hookups and 2 LTRs that were totally worth it to see a woman in close quarters. One of them moved in and I saw first hand TRP theories applied on a daily basis. I've since renounced my faith, a total failure of a student, but a hard worker and have financially supported myself for years. Got 2 cars and rent a house.
Takeaway: Do not focus on school. Focus on your education. E.g. if a class is boring as fuck and it does literally nothing to benefit you, don't put so much time or emotional energy if you can pass it without consequences. In that same light grades aren't everything. If you get a C, a few Ds, hell even fail some classes you'll be okay if you can provide food and living space for yourself. Consider your religion. I did so many "nice guy things" hoping I'd be loyal in God's eyes. What I missed out instead was human experience, missed sex in highschool, socially inept to aggressive and manipulative behavior. I'd recommend Buddhism or something.
Finally, keep treading on TRP to learn the true nature of women. I dated a hot Christian girl my senior year of highschool. She was a virgin. We never got anywhere but in freshman year of college I found out she fucked some dude less than a month of knowing him and then to hamster her way into it, they got engaged only to break it off later. Women will never respect you for who you are. Ever. Don't look for love for 5 years like I did. I'm glad I did so I know with personal experience that TRP is so fucking true, but I could have saved myself the nihilism that I'm going through reconstructing my life and I could've had way more tail.
Good luck, brother!
LyricBaritone 8y ago
Eh, I don't know about the "Don't focus on school" thing. If you're in school, you should definitely focus on succeeding. The only real reason to go to college is to get a STEM degree and use that as a springboard into a lucrative career. Yes, take the time to enjoy the social benefits of college life, but you shouldn't be spending that much money if you aren't accomplishing anything (or if you're on a scholarship, then you should be making the most of an opportunity to enter a profitable field by doing your best).
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Diabolical_Nuke 8y ago
Very similar situation with me. Went to college in an LTR (my first one) and missed a lot of opportunities to exploit "hook-up culture". Even had a soccer player who most guys considered a HB10 (more of a soft 9 IMO) trying to make out with me. But I was a good little BB, and said no so I wouldn't cheat on "the love of my life" (who was a 4 at best). Oh yeah, that "love of my life" dumped me a few weeks later.
I've contemplated renouncing my faith as well. I was brought up as a Christian, and thought it was the only way. I haven't renounced it because I've looked more into the Red Pill truths in the Bible, and realized how much the words have been twisted by the church. At many points the Bible says to be logical and not emotional, and to be the rock that women need, not the sand that they want. Go to a church today, however, and you'll learn all about how evil men are and how they need to supplicate to a woman.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Church culture fucked me in my youth. I was and still am true to myself. I was never understood in youth groups cause I didn't conform to a clique. So it grew on me. Youth pastor would pray over me and say things like "we know you don't have any friends". I bawled man. At the time I thought I was broken. Now I realize I was just real and don't have time for fakes and flakes. Church made me feel like shit.
Diabolical_Nuke 8y ago
I've been to good and bad churches. The good ones actually helped me out (dad was in military and I was a little shit my mom could barely handle) by showing me discipline, but the bad ones made me hate religion. A bunch of cliques, complete hypocrisy in what the pastor would preach and what the members would do, and constant judging of me and shaming tactics. Drove me nuts.
cover20 8y ago
No wonder she didn't have tingles for him. Years of enforced celibacy, even if mutual, can do that.
In traditional societies, this girl would be stoned to death or something. This would cause her to defer and keep her promise, despite lack of tingles. Dread can substitute for tingles.
Without that, it just seems damn hard to pretend we're in a traditional society when this place is turning into Sodom and Gomorrah.
For a moment she was made to forget that a missing hymen is evidence of something -- or maybe she was clued in that the cousin was taking photos somehow. They say sometimes hymens get torn by athletics or other non-sex reasons, or aren't very big, and now there's surgery to replace a hymen given some time and money ... All I know is that when I fucked a virgin, it wasn't too much fun because there was a hymen to tear, blood from it, soreness, etc. It would be a real mess to have non-consensual sex with a virgin, and that's probably why it's there in the first place.
Additional point: notice the lack of "sisterhood". One girl turned in the other. Actually there's no sisterhood if they respect you, none at all, and they will turn on each other to help you, and they know other girls will do that. Hence the limits of female "friendship".
And even if they don't respect, a good clever questioning can get their hamsters spinning and out pour clues, then probe some more, hamster spins on and more clues, etc. You can earn respect any time by taking charge. I just did this TODAY and got one woman to practically admit professional malpractice in her treatment involving another woman she was thinking she would thereby protect. But reliably pitched over the side because of course protecting self comes first, and of course that didn't work either.
Hence the sisterhood is a fiction they don't mind weak men believing in, but they know they have no such protection from other women, when faced with a man who starts acting like one. A man can penetrate it. That's our job, to penetrate.
SkorchZang 8y ago
This dude is fairly young, yet shows all kinds of potential. Needs a little knowledge and he will turn ladykiller in very short order.
Fantastic analysis/breakdown, thanks man.
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jb_trp 8y ago
God, that was a painful read. I hope this kid's balls drop soon. He obviously was in love with her and this will hurt for a long time.
There is only one thing for /u/yl23 to do in this situation: Never talk to this girl again. Cut her out of his life. She's already seen him cry--she'll probably resent him later for that and think he's "weak."
I guarantee one thing: This girl's hamster is going to kick into overdrive. She's going to rationalize and explain away any responsibility. If OP talks to her 6 months from now, her story and understanding of her role in this will be completely upside down. Sure, she'll tell him want she thinks he wants to here now, but down the road... It's bizzaro world time. I've seen it first hand.
Any attempt to communicate with this girl is just a step closer to beta orbiter status and should be avoided at all cost. Giver her nothing. No closure, no comfort, nothing. She made her bed, and she should sleep in it.
SilverWolfeBlade 8y ago
Another now joins our ranks.
He will find us, eventually, however long it will take, but he is on the long and hard road to social enlightenment.
Also, many heartbreaks give birth to Body builders, innovation and motivation to expand and better oneself. He's hitting rock bottom, nowhere else to go but up.
Kill_Your_Ego 8y ago
The ability of the hamster to rationalize everything is shocking at first. I'm honestly not even sure how women get by on a day to day basis after their hamster has rewritten history for the fifth time. No wonder successful civilizations don't allow women to testify in court. Much less vote. After the hamster gets through altering reality so these sluts can continue to pretend like they are victims these women are basically delusional.
Just learn what you can from this. Namely that a woman's word is worth nothing and listening to what women say is incredibly foolhardy. Watch what they do, never ever get married, and use a condom. Better yet get a vasectomy and freeze some sperm. No "whoops hunny I'm pregnant" bullshit that way.
Well that isn't true. But when you hear, "whoops honey I'm pregnant" you can laugh and say, "good luck with that slut!"
mike_cool 8y ago
I'm curious of the effects of a woman president, im not sure how effective or actually in control any woman 'leaders' are around the world.
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Depends on your culture's pragmatism. If it's too easily emotionally manipulated it would be an incredibly bad idea. People in my country have no problems to criticize our leader as her decisions have been objectively shitty and emotional politics aren't as effective. Consequently no one brings up her gender in those discussions as it really doesn't need to be brought up. I think it's similar in Germany where the culture is very focused on "common sense."
I think a female US president would be disastrous. The media spin and emotionally driven politics, what a clusterfuck that will be.
jb_trp 8y ago
Remember the story of Casey Anthony? She was the mom who (allegedly) murdered her child and while her kid was still missing (but really dead in a trashcan not far from her house) was out partying at a club. And I'm sure years later she now sees herself as the victim.
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Sementeries 8y ago
Refreshing to see this as you usually see some threads talking about "ex cheated on me, improved myself, ex wants the D, and ex is now a plate". Keep your dignity intact.
Rachel Dolezal is the perfect example of how powerful the hamster is.
When a man gets caught cheating, he apologizes; when a woman gets caught cheating she gives 1000 reasons why she did it.
jb_trp 8y ago
Rachel Dolezal's hamster was so powerful it changed the color of her skin. She went so far as to find a fake dad--but I'm sure on some level she actually believes she's black.
Sementeries 8y ago
Kanye's 'Can't Tell Me Nothing' is her hamster theme music.
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renzy77 8y ago
I've seen the exact same thing and it's just scary to see the extent to which women are able to believe their own rationalizations. And once they've rewritten history in their head (removing any personal culpability in the process) they'll see you as the bad guy for not accepting what they now believe is an entirely valid justification.
When women talk about "validating" each other's feelings, what they're doing is buttressing up each others false narratives.
The-Ban-Hammer 8y ago
This should be made into a sign. Meme. Bumpersticker...
♂
jb_trp 8y ago
A little off topic, but here's food for thought: You always hear those campus "sexual assault" stories where the girl will say, "I don't realize I was raped, but then I talked to my friend who is a gender studies major..." (e.g. Lena Dunham, the case at Occidental College, etc.) Is it any surprise that the average reporting time for many of these cases is something like 100 days?
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This is a common factor in the stuff I've read. How this shit works...its really fucked up. BPD seems to be a recurring theme. Many of them are also networked over Tumblr.
jb_trp 8y ago
I listened to this podcast by Radiolab on the placebo effect... I kind of wonder if there isn't a level of that at play. Women's experiences are being interpreted to them via a feminist victimized worldview.
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Yep! One of the things I read about was that apparently, rape claims spike as a result of Take Back the Night. People apparently feel compelled to identity themselves as a victim.
Someone seriously needs to study this shit.
Aerobus 8y ago
Four years. They were together for four years.
This young man was fed the lie we all were. He believed that by being a nice, caring, supportive boyfriend he would get the prize: sex, and in this case, her virginity. Whether women like it or not, this is what men want.
Here's why: AF/BB. This girl felt tingles for the man at camp. She got too comfortable with the boyfriend. She started to see him as a friend and not a lover. There are fourteen year old girls that will sleep will men READILY. Do not underestimate how early girls jump on the cock carousel. The fact that this girl waited for three years doesn't mean that she valued her virginity. It means she saw this boyfriend as "the perfect boyfriend" i.e. "husband material," and not fuck-material. For, if this girl actually was sexually attracted to the boyfriend, and actually valued her virginity, and actually valued her relationship, she wouldn't throw away a relationship of four years.
And what is the girl's response when the man asks her this?
Of course she couldn't answer. The sad truth is, women are victims of their own sexuality. They do not even know of the AF/BB programming that their brain has. Women are children. They are incapable of seeing the long-term effects of their decisions and cannot think about the consequences of their actions until it is far too late.
No, it's not wrong that he hates her. He has entered the anger phase unknowingly. It's time we message this guy and help him unplug.
ScottRikkard 8y ago
Honestly from what he described their family's relationship one would be correct to assume she saw him as a brother. A cute understanding guy she knows since birth and can practice making out. Not very polarizing.
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Reworking 8y ago
That wouldn't have done shit except put this off for a few years, with the lucky bonus of the lad losing 50% of his assets.
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Reworking 8y ago
Nice post.
I guess I just view it differently because in my area even married women are cheered on by their friends when they cheat. "You go girl! You've still got it!" Utterly disgusting.
I think a big part of it is ensuring that the people that surround you and your wife live their lives in ways that are acceptable to you. If all of her friends are too sexually liberal then that's going to rub off on her. Since those cultural safeguards aren't as pervasive nowadays, at least in the US, it's up to oneself to regulate their family's environment judiciously.
Unfortunately this is becoming more and more difficult as things like social media worm themselves into children's lives at such young ages. Men and women who haven't been corrupted by society's "ideals" by the time they become young adults are going to become much scarcer.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
Its fine if a girl sees you as husband material.You can also be Alpha bucks.But only if she's a virgin and sexually conservative.
Girls raised a certain way manage to supress their tingles.They used to, very easily.
But when today's shit media so heavily advocates hook up culture and 'exlporing yourself' ,why would they restrain themselves?
Say what you will about the religious chicks, atleast fear of god keeps them in check.Some of them run the fuck away from the guy if they start feeling tempted.I've seen it, hilarious and adorable
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This happened with my unicorn recently. Girl went on a mission trip where she was surrounded by her invisible sky man buddies every day for three months, writes me a letter saying that she loves me but it's not a godly sort of love, that she couldn't do this over the phone or in person because I'd tempt her to "stray from the path" and that she'll always remember me LOL.
Not sure if proudest moment or biggest loss since TRP. Oh well, more Jesus fish in the sea.
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Did they? Back in the day it was considered improper for unmarried couples to go on unsupervised dates and stuff like that.
Newdist2 8y ago
Back in the day, society a lot smarter than it is now.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
Damn, how back have you gone? I am talking about pre social media/smartphone era.Its was also a lot more sexually conservative.
Most girls didn't have guy friends , there wasn't birth control and basically they were just shitless scared of sex and being ostracized for having multiple partners or sex before marriage.
This is an unprecedented amount of whoring we are witnessing.Not to mention its being applauded as empowerment.
Check out the surveys from 50s,60s.More than half the women were virgins at the time of marriage.
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LyricBaritone 8y ago
Depends on where you were. My dad and his buddies were swimming in an ocean of pussy in the 60s and 70s.
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Yea I agree there's definitely an unprecedented slut epidemic going on right now. At the same time older, religious societies all have strict controls on male/female interactions.
Why would those rules be there if the men of that time didn't realize how much women were slaves to their alpha tingles?
LyricBaritone 8y ago
I find it funny that this board has such contempt for promiscuous women. I've fucked virgins and sluts, and 9/10 times the more experienced girl is going to be way better at sex. A slut who's really self aware and does kegels is going to clamp down way harder on your dick than a virgin pussy.
ben0wn4g3 8y ago
Because watch something like Game of Thrones. Women had NO choice who they fucked.
Aerobus 8y ago
This is actually completely true and overlooked. Husband material == beta bucks to all western, feminist, slutty women. The only time Husband material == alpha bucks is if the woman in question is sexually conservative and very low partner count/virgin.
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its kind of sad to see people with "TRP ENDORSED!!!" flair say shit like this, because kids or betas will come on here and think this is true.
Let me let you in on a concept called AWALT. ALL women are like this. All, not most except the ones TRP ENDORSED people say aren't, all.
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"dude youre an idiot, AWALT means something else. Some women can be sexually conservative if they were raised like that and those actually are marriage material, fucking idiot".
Oh, so because she had dictator-esque parents who didn't let her go out on dates, she's worth putting up maybe half your shit, and at minimum, custody of your potential kids?
I've known a lot of girls from minority families who didn't allow dating, guess what happens? At some later time, the girl goes through her 'slut phase'. If it hasn't hit before you met her, it'll hit later.
Unless of course you're marrying a super low-libido girl, in which case your fantasies of hot crazy sex with your innocent (almost) virginal bride will stay just that, a fantasy. You'll ask for a BJ and she'll look at you with disgust and be like "gross".
And let's say you did find your unicorn (non-existent creature). She's conservative with everyone else, but magically a freak with you and only you. 30 years ago that could work. These days, if you've ever heard the shit girls talk about together at work or when they're out together, she's not gonna stay that way.
This is the age of STRONG, EMPOWERED VAGINAâ„¢. Girls encourage each other do to stupid shit and follow the even stupider magazine articles or ideas they get from movies like "trainwreck". The amount of shit that she will see every day that will influence her mind into being, or at least exploring, her slutty side will win. Porn, movies, tv, music, etc. They're all telling her to chase vagina tickles, and that's not always gonna come from you.
BUt you guys will continue to believe that you'll find a girl like that, or that maybe one exists in russia or japan or china or taiwan, who will be all these things that you want and never be influenced by the media she consumes, which is now global. Even in places like Dubai, western influences are strong and growing, as is the "feminist" stupidity.
I used to think this too for a while. If this is what you guys are living on, the hope that you can marry someone from somewhere else, you can keep living in a dream or smarten up and live in reality.
There is no benefit to marriage. THere is no benefit to an extended relationship. I've gone through before on here how the cost of supporting a wife + the divorce cost less than an adoption/surrogate + an aupair + daycare.
The way you guys are laughing at the kid in the OP story, that's the same way you guys sound when you talk about your mythical 'low partner, good for life' girls.
80smadmaxonly 8y ago
I wanted to add that if a guy is alpha bucks westernized sluts would see him as husband material but they'd be shot down. I doubt any women would say, "see that alpha over there, if only he were also poor then I'd marry him." They'll overlook poverty for a lay but I think BB means "this is the best I could get to commit." In this post, if pump and dumper would have stuck around, poster would have been dumped, coldly.
An_All-Beef_Engineer 8y ago
This is the confusing part. There is almost no difference between this and a "born-again-virgin^TM" Otherwise known as the Madonna-whore complex. How will you really know if she's just putting on the conservative virgin act?
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LyricBaritone 8y ago
"This is one of the reasons we're attracted to young chicks"
Nah, I think the perfect youthful bodies are the main reason.
An_All-Beef_Engineer 8y ago
the age is probably the only indicator in this scenario...
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An_All-Beef_Engineer 8y ago
That's it. The only remotely reliable indicator you have that you've got a fake on your hands is age. If you met a rebranded woman, you'd have no idea she's not the same as a sexually conservative woman.
Rollo-Tomassi 8y ago
Forward this link to the kid:
http://therationalmale.com/2015/07/20/that-was-then/
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Sdom1 8y ago
Nope! She could have murdered his puppy and they'd be like, "come on OP, try and see this from her side..."
I hate their bullshit condescending tone too. They are the worst.
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"got used"
Hahahahahahahahahaha, might as well say that she tripped and her vagina accidentally fell onto his dick. The blue pills are twisted enough to turn the cheating girlfriend into the poor little girlfriend being "used", who "just wanted to explore herself". I don't normally get worked up over bp comments, but this is disgusting.
anecdotal 8y ago
I was having a good schadenfreude fap until I read those comments. Totally killed the boner.
Postboned 8y ago
Where are you seeing these comments? Most are heavily into OP's favor.
The one that mentioned raging hormones got -205 votes.
SpHornet 8y ago
well, the comment is true, it is a great TLDR
as long as you don't try to use it as an excuse there is nothing wrong with that comment
mygodimpathetic 8y ago
I'm actually honestly surprised she didn't pull the rape card: spinned it and told the poor schmuck that she had been raped/manipulated by that guy at camp. I guess she's still young.
TheDialecticParadox 8y ago
Hamsters learn quickly. When she realizes that telling the truth doesn't extinguish the flames on her beta provider, the hamster will become better at 'bending' the truth and creating self-deception.
RedditAccount321123 8y ago
Thats the only good part of his tale. Sad to think how easy of a pass sje wouldve gotten if she had cried rape
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Doomblaze 8y ago
A few of the comments at the bottom did, but they were downvoted hard because she didn't play the card herself. If she had then that would have been the whole thread.
Doomblaze 8y ago
A few of the comments at the bottom did, but they were downvoted hard because she didn't play the card herself. If she had then that would have been the whole thread.
insane_psycho 8y ago
I would bet the fucking farm if the genders were reversed all of these cries for sympathy for the cheater would be no where to be seen. Raging hormones aren't an excuse for a guy to act like this why are they for a girl?
Basically 18 years old is easily accountable for their actions and their consequences. If she didn't understand what this would do she's either incredibly narcissistic or too stupid to have made it this far in life.
sodainthewatercup6 8y ago
I do hope a TRPer has the time and patience to type up a similar troll post with genders reversed. I'm quite interested in what we would see.
madscientist970 8y ago
Of course not. Society doesn't give a shit about empathizing with men. We're just automatic piles of shit instead of victims. Look at how male rape gets treated.
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Talon1212 8y ago
My favorites are the ones that she was crying because she was coerced or forced into it. Not because she got pumped and dumped and then realized she had cheated on her boyfriend.
RedditAccount321123 8y ago
At least she didnt cry rape
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
She's learned her lesson too. Guess what happens next time?
sodainthewatercup6 8y ago
Next time she checks the room for relatives first.
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Sdom1 8y ago
Nope, you're not even close. It wasn't supposed to go beyond that hookup. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECRET. I'll guarantee that kid knows how to play religious girls like a violin. He stabbed two just in that one week at summer camp!
RunawayGrain 8y ago
Wanna bet it wasn't really her first time either? I guess it was just the first time she got caught.
sodainthewatercup6 8y ago
Yup, "first time" and "first time getting caught" are often two separate occasions. I mean, what are the realistic probabilities here?
I never got full closure on my cheating SO. Found cum-stained panties after girls' nights out. Never brought it up, and fully expect that wasn't the first time. Looking back, I am happy I kept that little discovery to myself.
Overkillengine 8y ago
Every girl is a good girl until she gets caught.
Sdom1 8y ago
Nah, it probably was. I'm guessing she hasn't been away from home until that point. Don't get too paranoid, my man, this is a 17 year old girl we're talking about.
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Listen man, times are different. When i was with my girl who was 17, she cheated on me, and a partner count to where the point everywhere me and her went, she could point someone out there shes hooked up with. Thats not even just her, it was all the girls.
Sdom1 8y ago
My point wasn't that 17 year old girls don't cheat. My point was that she is closely watched by her family and hasn't had the opportunity to do these things. When she got the opportunity, it happened. Things are different for these two than in our middle class public school upbringing.
EDIT: Oh, and it was never different. My grandma is extremely red pill and told me in the old days people just used to send their daughter away to go through pregnancy, give birth and adopt out her bastard child so nobody really knew. "Oh, she's staying with relatives."
It happened less than it does now because it wasn't accepted and kids were actually parented.
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I recently regressed back into another anger/depression phase after dealing with some bullshit from a old oneitis and realising AWALT means ALL of them. Reading stories on trp i like to think "man good thing that wont happen to me" but truth is it probably will. And that has fucked me up lately. Good thing i have the gym to keep me up.
Glenbert 8y ago
There's a well documented psychological effect (the Westermarck effect) that prevents children who grew up together from being sexually attracted to eachother, especially in females. It's why we don't all fuck (or marry) our family friends, siblings and cousins. The whole background to the story is cringey to begin with.
So, she's ever really been sexually attracted to him.
Shame on the parents for perpetuating this adorable, creepy little fantasy of their's. They should all be thanking God that this happened now.
Newdist2 8y ago
That's only if they grow up in the same household, before puberty.
Has nothing to do with this case.
Glenbert 8y ago
I'm taking about the Westermarck effect. It's been observed in siblings, cousins and children who grew up together. On top of that, it doesn't get much more beta than marrying a girl who your mother introduced you to. Dude will be so much better off now.
Newdist2 8y ago
Grew up together in the same household. Not "our mothers were friends and we were friends too".
Glenbert 8y ago
What part of "grew up together" don't you understand? Do you really think that these women didn't introduce their children to eachother? Do you not understand how adults socialize?
Or are just clinging to the hope that the cute girl in pigtails who held your hand in Sunday school 20 years ago actually thinks about you, sexually, today?
Well, women don't work that way. Better this kid found that out sooner than later.
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This is gonna get downvoted but i dont care. My first girlfriend who broke my heart at 17 died two weeks ago from a drug overdose. It stemmed from hard, habitual drug use. She was so damaged, and left a string of broken hearts behind her.
I feigned sadness, but in reality i feel liberated to know karma got her. Sorry not sorry.
Postboned 8y ago
Not downvoted. Welcome to the heartless bastards club; karma is a bitch.
raceAround126 8y ago
His story hit home with me. A bit too near for my liking. I feel bad for the dude, he really got used. This girl really did a number on him.
At least he didn't marry it and find out she was like this afterwards.
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Radical notion women are people blah blah blah.
AWALT means they have the CAPABILITY and INCENTIVE as well as validation from society to cheat, divorce rape and steal your children , accuse of false rape ect.
Back in the day the institution of marriage protected men from this, as well as protected women from themselves and shitty husbands(lets assume All Men Are Not Like That on the basis patriarchy won't work as well as it did and because men don't have a pussy pass they will be condemed by society. So AMANLT is real.)
Today however we need protect ourselves , this mean women should be treated as AWALT.
They are good for three thing only:
Friendship and companionship. this can be any woman. AWALT doesn't destroy capability for friendship. Not the same friendship as a bro but still nice just for casual shit and fun. I have a close friend who is also an ex.
Follow these rules and enjoy life. Or disregard them and put your life in the hands of a woman.
FrameWalker 8y ago
The men read the tale of the heartbroken young man. They feel his pain as if it is their own, because it is. A flurry of activity begins as men from all over the world press their faces to their glowing screens. Clickity clack clack tap Tap tap tap they all type furiously. Realizing the urgency of the matter, they select all of the text, press backspace and then control V. On each screen appears "AWALT." they all submit.
A whisper made of the distance is heard like a windchime hidden in a forest. "chad"
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
Then they send owls, pigeons, mail men and drones to deliver an invitation to join the men's club.
Tomorrow he will wake up with a new breath and a sense of purpose. In a year, he will fuck more women than Genghis Khan.
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This is some poetic shit lmao
patches93 8y ago
Just loved this too much! Have my first gold fellow TRPer
Talon1212 8y ago
Some men on here are truly poetics.
slurmfactory 8y ago
lmfaaaaaaaaaaao ahaaaaaha....
the whispering wind spoke simply.... "chad....."
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Tarnsman4Life 8y ago
Guy seems like a good dude if overly idealistic. Hopefully he turns into Chad Jr and fucks every hot chick in college and for the remainder of HS. In time he will regret not fucking all that HS pussy while he had the chance.
On the plus side, her SMV has officially peaked. She is no longer a virgin and from here it is all downhill. CC rise in a sorority, lifeless marriage and hopefully shunning by her family for shaming them like this.
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[deleted] 8y ago
who cares.... you wasted your time writing this shit gossiping .
we already know AWALT...no fucking surprise
bea5tly 8y ago
Is it just me or would anyone else would of taken up the offer for the sex? Hell 4 years wasted on one pussy without even trying it? Worst case just use her for sex and plate a bitch.. maybe im a bit screwed up haha
cazzah123 8y ago
If you've ever been in a situation like that when you were younger and have a girl tear your heart out, spit on it, then try to put it back like nothing happened, you'd know its impossible to even get it up for that girl.
Kayak_Fisherdude 8y ago
Haha you're approach isn't despicable given the situation. But if he had a mindset like yours he probably wouldn't have been in that situation ;D
SkorchZang 8y ago
Yeah, but that's because you and I likely have few illusions left about women's behavior, and really don't give a shit. The guy from the story is 18, and I bet to him it was a self-respect hit to take the offer. Ego couldn't take the blatant backstabbing betrayal, even if he wanted the pussy.
I find myself currently living in a magical place. I look at some girl, feel all the usual warmth of love for her, enjoy her chirpy presence... and at the same time I know full well how she is betraying, backstabbing, and fucking me over. It's like frenchkissing Judas, without any anger, very piquant. One thing does not preclude the other with women...just because she's genuinely head over heels for a man, and thinks he is God, doesn't mean she's ever going to be loyal to the man's interests. She's only loyal to herself (and her children), which is just as it should be for humankind to prosper and multiply.
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Damn this is sadder than some Disney movie. I feel bad for the guy but he should use this opportunity to build himself.
vandaalen 8y ago
LOL. Literally the same thing happened to me when I was 18. My third, or so, GF went to summercamp as a virgin and came back popped.
I still took her back, fucked her two times, then she cheated on me with my brother, then I fucked her again. That was the last time I met her.
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[deleted] 8y ago
I think you may have had a stroke while writing your headline.
[deleted] 8y ago
Why do you people post this garbage? This subreddit should be about self improvement and psychology, not misogynistic salty women bashing.
It seems like a good portion of you have never moved past the anger phase of realizing that yes, women will leave you if you have nothing to offer them. In fact, men are the same way.
The most blue pill behavior I see here is dwelling on these stories and pitying yourselves for how you got burned in the past.
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jewishclaw 8y ago
They only can if you let them. Trite as it may sound, it is true. She is never your equal. You must always care less than she does and manage her like a child.
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Whoever cares the least, wins. Be that person or youll always be walked on.
[deleted] 8y ago
Man being a teenager hurts. I feel bad for the kid but it's honestly better to learn early than learn late.
I would take my teenage heartbreake over being divorced raped any day
[deleted] 8y ago
Yep. Wish I had learned at that age.
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I'm happy I managed to find out in my early 20's. I can only imagine the amount of older men that could have been saved a lot of pain and financial suffeing
gg_s 8y ago
Young guys might get a break but it will take longer to internalize the red pill. Pain and suffering helps the pill go down quicker. Red pill hindsight is a huge kick in the ass, and older men have a wealth of experience to draw on.
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This is a pretty brutal read. Both of them are assholes, the girl and the guy (the guy who broke her virginity).
Limekill 8y ago
The guy is a player. Every girl knows what a player is. She could of gone ice queen on his ass, but she didn't.
angryuser_trp 8y ago
Besides, if you check the update thread and conversation below it, the player dude apparently had no idea the girl has a blueballed bf back home anyway.
Regardless of how you look at it, the dude just took his chance. It was up to the girl to give him that chance. Nobody else to blame really.
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NomNomYoMomma 8y ago
I would've fucked anyway. Disrespected the shit out her with the dick. Then dumped. I can't take too many L's
Drenmar 8y ago
That whole thread made me cringe.
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IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
This guy, good guy, played his part in the girl's dollhouse. She picked his clothes, his job, his college, his major, she basically plotted out every little detail of this niggas life right down to the box to bury him in.
How is that exciting? Squirrels are not exciting. You know what is? A fucking jaguar. It's different, it's got teeth. All the more to eat you with right?
Anyway, you don't want to be a fuckup? Don't be part of a woman's dollhouse. Don't let her assign you a part, no matter how big or small.
Wreck that shit. And then go to your boy's place and call her sister.
cascadecombo 8y ago
Why do people always say this, this shit isn't some kinda clubhouse. People more often than not will find places like this on their own and won't want to be dragged in.
JimmyTheIntern 8y ago
Red flag in the second sentence. Damn kid. Daughter of a sorority sister. Well, my regrets. Think of it as a learning experience, like the prison of high school. But now you're out, and onto newer, more expensive prisons, without the ball and chain, and with way more
hookers and blowsorority sisters.He's angry now, but eventually he'll be so glad she fucked up on record before they got married. 2 weeks over 4 years("all of our lives")... some bitches. Wow.
VictorEremitaK 8y ago
Try to read the comments yourself instead of the comments OP cherry picked. Everyone agrees he should move on.
saml01 8y ago
News flash. She wasn't a virgin.
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I'm all too familiar with some of these church going women, I was in a similar scenario with one, she wouldn't let me go any farther than cuddling (and I accepted it) but one day she couldn't control her feelz and randomly hooked up with some dude.
She's been out of my life for almost three years now :)
NineInchPitchfork 8y ago
I knew those sorts of couples in high school. I have always thought it is a strange, (unhealthy) codependent situation. On a side note: how do you have a leadership camp for teens? TIL leaders are not born they are manufactured.
Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
There's one at my old high school. She cheats on him all the time and makes him go down on her but never returns the favor.
He's the star running back too.
hOmO_pH0biC 8y ago
Leadership camp? Isn't that where Hitler went?
ThePedanticF0x 8y ago
Lord God have mercy! This is a God damned gut grinder! I can't imagine how worthless this poor bastard must feel, this is the kind of shock wake up call that sends people to this sub. This is the kind of pain that makes men of boys. Man I feel sorry for this poor sod, I'm tempted to enlighten him.
RP_Student 8y ago
Man this one hurts to read.
I personally have a similar story. Not nearly as extreme as this guy but something like it.
Get in the gym boys. Its insane how different your life can be just by boosting yourself a point or two on the 1-10 scale and you better believe 15 lbs of muscle (a reasonable amount achievable in 6 months of well planned, high effort lifting) will do just that.
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15 pounds of muscle in 6 months is impossible lol. But lifting definitely should be something every man does.
RP_Student 8y ago
No it really isn't. 2-3 pounds a month for beginners is very realistic given proper nutrition, sleep, and training.
Ibex3D 8y ago
More than appearances, there is just something about knowing you are the strongest person in the room that makes you feel invincible.
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And no, that's just a dumb generalization
mean lol