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LTR Game Part 2: Building the Foundation
Make no mistake. There is no myth here. The designation of Unicorn given for what amounts to "an ideal woman for relationships" may be quite rare, but they exist. More importantly I find the expectation around TRP that perfectly formed and preferable women just aren't in supply is relatively accurate and should be assumed ABSOLUTELY TRUE. Unicorns are not born and remain perfect, they are fostered and developed. First, and ideally, by their environment during early childhood to early adulthood, and a rare woman is likely snapped up and kept by a high value man early on, realistically reducing the existing and available Unicorn section of the sexual marketplace to what you should consider N/A. This, however, does not mean you cannot foster a more preferable partner from a woman who is less than ideal. She takes her cues from you. Consider what you show potential candidates and how you lead them before you conclude Unicorns aren't attainable. This post will focus on raw qualities that can make an enduring relationship.
This will be a subjective account of my thoughts on the subject on the elusive Unicorn. What to look for as natural character traits you can foster, and use as signs that someone may be worthy of your time investment. If you are cynical on LTR's or don't desire one yourself, feel free to move along. Otherwise, feedback and discussion are greatly encouraged.
I'd like to start with a quote from /u/PhantomDream09 who frequents RPW.
I fully believe that any woman can become receptive to a Captain/First Mate dynamic with the right man. It is all about building a foundation and setting expectations. Occam never asked "this is what I think, is it all right?" I either had to fall in line or get out, but the way he did it never made me feel pushed or bullied. It was more like gently coaxing an injured bird closer to you with food so you can mend its wing.
This hints to something very significant. Women these days are not as adjusted to interpersonal leadership as they once were, which I find to be a very natural dynamic. In fact, as we know, Western culture has a disdain for most behavioral masculinity. Your average Joe is expected to yield for "social awareness" that don't benefit him in any direct way, and your Joe's are typically miseducated about how to handle attraction, women, love, and the like. This is widely spoken of on this sub, but it gives us a solid base to say that BOTH sexes are given a lot of misinformation about what would be effective, rewarding, and sustainable. The information has been lost or forgotten to the public consciousness, and other than attaining information from a mentor or places like TRP, we try and repeatedly fail to understand why our education hasn't matched up with reality. Women are as miseducated as men about what is effective and what they should want. The delusion is pervasive, and any woman won't fully know she wishes for a strong leader until she feels this leadership first hand, and that's your job. You are a Captain. It's your job to inspire loyalty, trust, and devotion. The "natural Unicorn" has these things, but they can otherwise be developed in a good, reasonable woman. I'm not suggesting you snatch up an attractive feminist shrew (a sort of Unicorn in its own right) and expect good results, but I'd be stunned to see the transition and result. This would be TRP on Nightmare mode and would be worthy of... So. Many. Field reports.
Working on the understanding that both sexes are generally taught poorly on what to expect and how to act, it's your job to first filter out a good woman, and encourage her to be great, to inspire her to rise to a level where you would never willingly hand her over, or prefer spinning plates to running a ship with her.
Some criteria to look for in a good woman would be:
Low partner count
This is talked about a lot, and for good reason. This number is never an absolute certainty, but you need to trust what seems like a trustworthy woman. Her other interactions with you will verify how honest she is in other arenas. If she's willing to lie over something meaningless, then you should not think she isn't willing to lie on the partner count. This ideal can differ depending on age, but let's use a guideline of "Single Digits" as a standard for a woman who is mid-twenties. We have to understand that the climate we live in will influence women into having sex, perhaps too early or with what you may consider too many partners. If you find a woman as described above who has had sex with, say, less than 5 partners- I would call that ideal.
Predominantly LTR's
Most of (ideally, all) the sex your intended has had should have been within the context of an actual relationship, with some form of commitment.
Sex
Look, I know this will be a hard one. Women who respect themselves and their futures just won't want to put out too soon. This does not mean they're controlling you or that they'll never give up the ghost. It's your job to push the boundaries as well, and most women expect the man to make the moves. I have been capable of acquiring sex and decided not to. Being too aggressive, too early, can spook the unicorn. You're in this for a relationship, not for instant gratification. Control yourself, evaluate the situation evenly, and INTUIT her pace, do not let her absolutely dictate or schedule. Make your move when you feel it's right, but don't go for the whole act all on the first opportunity. This will show that you respect her boundaries while she's also honoring your intentions. If she is resistant too long, she may be not that into you, or worse, she has hangups about sex in general. Regardless, the latter can be true and you can still do your job of attraction so well that you assist her in ridding herself of her boundaries, but only with you.
Diet and Fitness
Ideally, she should show that she respects herself, her health, and her attractiveness.
Strong, positive relationship with her father
When she talks about her father, watch her body language. Look for positive cues. Ask about things she and her father did when she was growing up. Find out if her father was more of a leader rather than an egalitarian or supplicant member in the marriage. Ask how her mother fit into the picture. Find out if she was more concerned on what her father thought over her mother. Divorce is a tricky one here, as that can cause all kinds of complications in younger children, but she could still have a more than healthy respect for her father.
Empathy
This can best be seen if she talks about any negative situation organically. Secondarily, if she seems to have empathy (or even sympathy) for men as a whole, this is a strong indicator that she won't resent you for, you know, just being a man.
Tendency toward traditional gender roles
This also should be fairly self evident. This lends itself to the precise structure you desire as Captain.
Crafty
Not in the shifty eyes sort of way. Maybe she quilts, likes to draw, enjoys making things. Sewing, quilting, fabric toys, whatever. Things that you would identify as a creative hobby she engages in for fun and personal (rather than professional) reward. Big bonus if it's something you consider feminine in nature.
Respectful
Observe how she talks to you about strangers when you're together, or how she talks directly to people in service positions like waitstaff. If she has disdain or entitlement when dealing with strangers or employees of any establishment, she's giving you a clear warning.
Interested
A lot of men talk too much, or not enough. You need to seed conversation, and branch logically to get a dialog going. When you're talking, observe how she holds eye contact with you. The first few dates (if it's going well) her eyes will be wrapped in attraction for you. You need to observe as things move forward the way in which she pays attention to you when you speak. Interruptions can be a sign she's excited and wants to chirp something back at you eagerly, but derailing you or changing the subject or other evasions shows that she may not respect you enough, even if what you're saying is outside her knowledge and experience. Address as necessary, but be calm and kind. This all boils down to basic politeness for both herself and you.
Positive game
Unicorn candidates aren't likely to be receptive to disruptive game, like negging. It may have the desired effect to create attraction, but there is a big difference between insults and teasing. If you need to get into disruptive game, make it light and brief. You're setting a foundation for her. She should be more receptive to positive game, like amused mastery. She should be receptive to confidence, but no so much to cockiness. Since you are setting the stage for all future expectations, do you really want to have a woman attracted to you because you can be an asshole? Is that the type of woman you want for yourself?
Eager to please
If you're doing your attraction job right, she should be very eager to spend time with you. Try not to play the slow game with attention, you need to balance your behaviors and calibrate what type of leader you think a stable and happy woman wants most. Perhaps she offers to pay for a meal and/or split the bill. Consider if you'll allow this or not up front, I did not allow it but clearly demonstrated my appreciation. After a few dates, if she brings you a token of some kind, this is a big indicator.
Conservative values
These can be a plus. I am neither conservative nor liberal. I find women that had a semi-conservative household growing up helps to instill more constructive ideals for young women.
Religion
Moderate religious upbringings can be in line with being raised in a moderately conservative household. This helps to instill values. Though I was raised Catholic and now no longer have any faith, I can say that many values have stuck with me, and the initial structure actually encouraged me to expand my personal values beyond this. The same can apply for women.
Introversion
Being more introverted than extroverted means that a person is less likely to gain a lot of validation from others, and is less likely to be an attention seeker. Your mileage may vary, but in my experience, extroversion can lead to a lot of problems that get the hamster to spin up.
Responsibility
This is difficult to investigate, but find out about her background. If she did well in school with her grades, this shows responsibility. As does adherence to work expectations, fulfilling personal responsibilities to family and friends, and honoring your requests or expectations that she's agreed to.
Slight to moderate OCD tendencies
When a attraction is established, and commitment follows, you begin to establish routine with her. The more a woman has tendencies toward what I'd consider functional and healthy levels of OCD, the more she will adopt structures you set. If you're consistent, she will WANT to fulfill what you set forth.
Edit to address nonsense: I'm in no way addressing clinical OCD here, I believe this was evident from my description. I'm simply addressing a predilection toward and pleasure in structures and patterns, not absurd behavior like toggling the lights eight times when entering a room or washing ones hands until they bleed. If you really had to have this explained, you are an idiot.
Typical feminine anxiety
Somewhere around average for women, maybe a little more, maybe a little less. This trait can be in your favor. If she is given to worry, and cares about you, she is given to thinking about you more often than a woman who is not anxious at all.
Edit to address nonsense: Obviously I said typical feminine anxiety, not clinical anxiety.
Demure fashion sense
If she respects herself and is not advertising sex every which way, she's going to dress conservatively. Think classy, but well fitting, and feminine.
Note: These are all behaviors that you evaluate her to have without significant structure or an enduring relationship with you, these are raw materials to make building a partnership easier, more ideal, or more stable.
I encourage people to post additional insights on what they consider to be traits a man should look for in a good woman. These should be traits that foster a relationship, how she views her Captain, or how she may grow in a trajectory you would not find sustainable and preferable.
TL;DR
I can't help you this time. The wall of text has spoken.
Edit: Used more raw material from the format mines.
Edit 2: Added tags to OCD/Anxierty
cascadecombo 11y ago
These are pretty much the exact things I search for before entering into any sort of relationship. Nice to see they're put down succinctly.
[deleted] 11y ago
Well, I am about to divorce. If I simply negate your list, you'll have my wife. Maybe except "crafty".
rednukleus 11y ago
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[deleted] 11y ago
For those seeking more examples of this type of woman, head over to r/redpillwomen. Most of the content submitters are married with children and readily accepted the captain/first mate dynamic. They fit this whole post to the letter. They are dedicated to their husbands and would love to help you understand the whole "wife material" bit.
Stay away from all the girls on there like "but I already had sex with 40 men and want equality in my relationship! Am I really not marriageable anymore?!?!" There is a lot of good stuff on that sub but it does get a big bogged down with feminists, trolls, and people who have no idea what is going on.
Clauderoughly 11y ago
TIL I married a unicorn :D
W-Z-R 11y ago
This unicorn sounds boring tbh...
(honestly the way I think, it's like my brain is part woman)
Cyralea 11y ago
Careful with this. Unicorns are just as receptive to 'disruptive' game as 'positive' game. It's redpill advice because it's what actually creates attraction. Consider why negging works in the first place: it demonstrates that you're observing the relationship from a place of superiority, i.e. Captain compared to her First Mate.
As for confidence to the point of cockiness, that has the side effect of her always knowing you're solid and stable. Think of how many girls positively refer to their spouses as "their rock". The only way you can trip up is if you fail to deliver on your confidence, because then your confidence makes you look like you're compensating.
Great post otherwise.
OccamsUsername 11y ago
I simply advocate a calibrated approach, and if you're in pursuit of an LTR, you should know how to feel out a situation from your general pick-up experiences. I don't entirely disagree with you, but it could be an issue (even if you cultivate sufficient attraction) if you appear as a blatant asshole to get her attention.
If it has worked for you to use your general pick-up game full bore, and then calibrate after you acquire her attention, then that's fine. We're talking about a woman with self respect in general, and that's partially why she hasn't cultivated a toxic personality. With that in mind, disrespecting her directly and abruptly could make problems.
I've also never been one for highly disruptive game, I'm a lot more subtle, so my bias may be showing.
Cyralea 11y ago
Don't get me wrong, I get what you're saying. In long-term relationships you need to sometimes lightly sprinkle some blue pill behaviours (in this case, validation instead of negging). Too much causes the exact opposite behaviour from her though; it's akin to her seeing herself as being equal to the Captain. You risk mutiny.
As you say, maintain a delicate balance.
SoftHarem 11y ago
LTR GAME?!?! TRP HAS JUMPED THE SHARK I'M FUCKING OUT!!!
OccamsUsername 11y ago
Leave the keys on your way out.
SoftHarem 11y ago
Strong post, and look you don't completely sound like a robot. Guys, relationships are TRP on hard mode. READ Occam's stuff if that's your desired strategy, and don't tell him I said this, but he is on to something here.
[deleted] 11y ago
I enjoy a challenge.
j_arbuckle2012 11y ago
I don't think the sex part is exactly correct. It's good to intuit all that stuff, but I think it's easier and makes your filtering much more streamlined if you instead have good game and never stop escalating. Let her set her own boundaries and you observe them but never stop escalating. At least this way you are showing beyond any doubt that what you're interested in is sexual. Sex is the basis of all romantic relationships and trying to guess her pace is like tripping yourself up at the start line. Escalate, escalate, escalate.
OccamsUsername 11y ago
My mileage varies, but methods can be alternated and results can verify individual applicability.
Papa_Says 11y ago
This series has been a great way to start my year U/OccamsUsername. Thank you for all three of these posts, I hope you keep them coming.
Vornash, Thegman84 -- astute additions to this list.
I read a little /r/redpillwomen today and it reminded me that good girls are out there, good girls who either have swallowed the red pill or just know these truths innately. And they're just as desperately hoping to find a captain as we are hunting for unicorns. Yes, the odds may be against us. But the only way we guarantee failure is by giving up. So don't give up gentlemen.
whatever6 11y ago
I think it's very hard to find a girl like that who is also above average attractive. The attention they get tends to ruin them. I just went out with a girl that practically checks all these boxes, but her looks are nothing to write home about (body is good though).
adioz- 11y ago
I like your point on attention and attractiveness. But I think it would be too much of a generalization to say that there is a strong relationship between the two that tends to ruin them. That said, I recently met a girl that meets the checklist and looks great. But I couldn't quite figure out how attention influences her behavior/character. I think this is a difficult point to find hard facts for.
RedBigMan 11y ago
I would say that I would vastly prefer a woman who is a 5 and knows she's a 5 (shows some realism in her own value) and displays many of these traits OP has marked as unicorn checklist.
If one is hunting unicorns then a woman such as that would probably earn at least a +1 to +3 based on the traits listed above to her effective SMV. Meaning she's a worthwhile LTR pursuit.
tl;dr I'd rather a woman who's a 5 with those traits as a LTR than a woman who's a 9 with none of those traits as a ONS. I know not all guys think that way though.
OccamsUsername 11y ago
I agree, but there's a catch.
Her value, her perception of her own value, is very individual. As is her judgment of you as a man. The feels can make you perceptively better than she is, even if it's not objectively true.
I won't break it down, but my LTR thinks of me as superior in many/most ways, due to a perception that she will admit and has chimed in on within boards related to TRP. It doesn't matter to her if it's true or not, it's how she feels.
OccamsUsername 11y ago
It's not necessarily about checking all the boxes, but having filter criteria. Knowing what to look for. Women who have all of these traits are indeed rare, but if you can find someone with enough, your leadership should bring other changes in her for mutual benefit. I'll cover this in future posts.
crawlingchaos31 11y ago
Indeed, leadership is key. Furthermore, you might look at yourself as a sculptor and take cues from the classical tale of Pygmalion.
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[deleted] 11y ago
The North West coast and North East coast in America is pretty much full of feminists and sluts.
The South East is much more conductive to quality girls, which is hilarious given the rest of the things the South absolutely sucks at.
Everywhere else is a mixed bag.
OccamsUsername 11y ago
You're more right than you know. This is why TRP exists in part, it is a response to the Western climate and the decline in quality women. The solution for many is to simply extract what value they can from women without commitment.
I consider myself a fairly proficient hunter, but I've always tended toward longer relationships with dedication and growth rather than hit it and quit it scenarios. I find the representation around TRP in the relationship/girlfriend game arena needs more representation, so I contribute what I know.
You're wrong there. Most look simply for sex in the right places, this is the most popular strategy of TRP and it's a reasonable desire a man can have that should be respected. A side effect of this is that spending time around toxic environments with equally toxic people can really jade your view of humanity, especially when you're successful in those sorts of places with those sorts of people.
whatever6 11y ago
It highly depends on the location and overall culture. Girls look to each other for queues on how to behave and dress way more than guys do. Thus once there is a critical mass of idiotic feminist ideas it spreads like wildfire. Not to mention that careers in media attract the worst kinds of women and they influence a large part of the population.
A lot of TRP/PUA game tricks are quite anglosphere specific as well. Being overly cocky will scare off women from countries unruined by feminism.
Cyralea 11y ago
It's really as bad as you describe. North America generally has a culture of instant-gratification above all else mentality. Women here are insanely entitled, it has nothing to do with approach or venue. For reference, I have a high income and don't go to clubs, but even the so-called "sophisticated" women I meet act like spoiled children.
Eastern Europe in general is known for it's generally traditional gender roles. You have it good, consider yourself lucky.
thegman84 11y ago
A few I would add....
Healthy Family Contact
She needs to have a healthy level of contact with her family. A woman who calls to her parents every day is a huge red flag for me. A girl who talks to her parents less than once a month is also a red flag.
No Faghaggery
I don't date women who have more than one gay male friend (maybe two, especially if they're a gay couple) or are too close to any gay guy. Nothing against gays, but I've seen women in relationships engage in all sorts of unacceptable behaviors with other men under the justification that he's gay.
OccamsUsername 11y ago
I've seen stories of this as well, not that I've experienced it first hand. Rationalization: "You're gay, so it doesn't matter". I've seen second hand accounts and first hand accounts from homosexual men who come here and say the same.
This justification is along the same lines sexually predatory women probably use on themselves with minors. "He's a boy, of course he likes it"
[deleted] 11y ago
Excellent information, I really appreciate it. We need more LTR help in this sub.
Judge them by the company they keep
Does she have a few close friends or many superficial friendships? If she has no close friends, red flag. This is easy information to collect on a 2nd date. If she has a few close friends she already has a natural tendency and affinity for building quality relationships, and may be more introverted too. If her friends are slutty or have other negative traits, red flag. What is a girls night out for her? Clubbing? Red flag. Male friends? Possible huge red flag / dealbreaker. Too active on Facebook? Red flag. Active users of Facebook have proven in studies to be less satisfied with their lives.
cascadecombo 11y ago
This for other people as well, not just for women. Business partners, friends, etc etc.
adioz- 11y ago
I think this is an excellent criterion and should be added to OPs post
emptyform 11y ago
Watch it, you're gonna make me get oneitis for one of my plates.
Good writeup.
adioz- 11y ago
Your LTR game series is excellent. When I first subscribed to TRP, I was a bit put off by many of the plate spinning posts in this sub, since that's not the direction I'm going for. Looking forward to see more post on this!
mordanus 11y ago
Great post man. I don't believe that a unicorn actually exists any more but I know the rest of the people haven't given up hope. Even if you find a woman that fits all of these criteria she will still be a woman suffer the same shit that all women suffer. No woman is worth the kind of love that a man has to offer.
OccamsUsername 11y ago
I've got mine. Up to others to get theirs.
mordanus 11y ago
I thought I had mine too. All women are the same and put them on a pedestal of uniqueness or rare like a unicorn is setting yourself up for a fall.
OccamsUsername 11y ago
You think in absolutes, and too simplistically.
[deleted] 11y ago
Sith!
mordanus 11y ago
I disagree but w/e. Best of luck to you