It's interesting watching nature programs, you can see an insight into our animalistic behaviors that you might otherwise overlook.
For example peacocking, or other avian acts where the male has to jump around like a fucking idiot trying to look as spectacular for the female suitor as possible. He'll have to jump around, peep and make pretty sounds, his plumage will have to be looking good and possibly even his nest will be scrutinized by the female. Eventually she'll either decide to pick him or move on.
Does anyone else ever stop to think that we're that stupid fucking bird jumping around for the female?
Not only that, us American men are peacocking for the attention of some scumbag entitled American woman who is only partially interested in this real life animal near them, but instead is more focused on the myriad of validation and attention they're receiving through the phone.
The other day I was attempting to engage a woman at a bar and I noticed she was on tinder and had probably a couple dozen conversations occurring with men at once. She gave me one word, I'm-slighty-annoyed-but-will-tolerate-your-presence responses so I stopped trying to speak with her at all. But that is a microcosm of the modern woman to me. More interested in the 20 potential chad's on the phone than someone actually physical and existing next to them attempting to engage them in some sort of conversation.
Does anyone ever stop think that none of this bullshit is worth it? Does anyone else realize that the average American woman isn't worth the fucking trouble? Does anyone else ever stop to realize the entire fucking system is absolutely despicable and they're ready to completely opt-out?
Men used to go out and take what was theirs. If another men got in the way of that, maybe they'd fight it out and figure it out. Now days, we're expected to dance around like fucking fairies and pray that our woman chooses us among the horde of other dancing peacocks praying for attention, it's fucking shameful.
The entire system is absolute horse shit. Modern women are scum and are in no way deserving of the time and effort it takes to get these cunts into bed. They're just not fucking worth the effort. What is the difference between picking up some cunt from a bar or somewhere else and taking them home and fucking them, or paying some whore $200 for a fuck? Both need something, the first some attention and validation, the second some money, but in the end its all just some transaction that is occurring. I'm starting to lose the sight of what's the point of even putting in the effort to try to fuck shitty American women that can barely even tolerate your existence let alone have some meaningful conversation with them. And I mean that with my heart and soul. I really do attempt to strike up good conversation and not be some boring pouty fag, I understand why would these women want to know a guy like that, so I understand that being that annoying little bitch is not conducive to meeting cool chicks. So that said, I feel like the average American women barely tolerates my existence. Is it maybe I'm not good enough looking? Is it perhaps I don't peacock enough, I don't wow them enough, I'm too average? I'm too, gasp shall I say, beta?
I'm starting to despise the entire system from top to bottom (this is a lie, I've despised the system since elementary school but I've been trying my hardest to understand the system and work it but it's been an abysmal failure), it's been setup as a complete sham that only that top 10% of males truly benefit from. What I see is most men fooling themselves into believing they can be part of that 10% which is why they are okay with this shitty system, of course they feel they'll be on top. Reminds me of the Steinbeck quote, "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.". That's how I see me and most the men here, we think we're just temporarily embarrassed with this whole lack of women thing, and once we get in a bit of shape and some things in order it'll be all smooth sailing from there, what a load of complete fantasy bullshit that's been sold.
Well the reality is it is physically impossible for every male to be in the top 10% because by definition if we all improved together, they're would still be a top 10% among any division of people, even the best have a top 10% among their ranks. After unsuccessful after unsuccessful venture out to try to meet new women, after failure after failure of meeting women online, after failure after failure of meeting women in person, after failure after failure of trying to find cool people to get to know, I've come to the conclusion that no amount of "self improvement" will ever find me the sort of reality I'd ideally like to find myself in. I've come to the conclusion my existence is one I need to find happiness in being alone, there is no other way.
The only way to find any actual happiness and contentedness in this world is to be able to find that in yourself, not relying on any woman, person, drug, or anything else for any sort of validation or happiness and trying to be content being alone. There really is no fucking point, there is no gold on the other side of the rainbow, nobody gives a shit and there really isn't a fucking point to any of this bullshit. Reality is that which you make it and for the majority of men, reality is fucking shit.
So go out there guys, fucking peacock with the best of them! Put on your best displays for the goddess American females to pick you out and choose you, may you guys impress them all with your fancy tales of better days, fancy clothes, pretty hair styles, nice cologne and cool pictures on your fancy phones. Good luck impressing the average American fuck-tard princess, and good luck having a physical human being attempting to compete with the idea of dozens of chads waiting around the corner to bed them. Newsflash, you can't.
We're in an absolutely garbage existence currently. If you're one of the top 10% of men out there and are slaying pussy, I commend you. Understand though that going to the gym for years in a row, disciplining yourself by eating right, getting a high paying job and educating yourself isn't enough, I know personally as I've done all four. It clearly does not work for everyone, so the idea that all men here can just do a bit of self improvement and these things will come to them is another fantasy lie being fed to us, don't fucking believe a word of it.
Don't buy the bullshit, you can do literally everything listed here to try to improve yourself and it wont be enough. Good luck wasting your lives peacocking for some American trash that can't even comprehend how good they even have it. There is no hope in this country for decent men, I would like nothing less than the entirety of western civilization to fall, it's fucking despicable and needs to be reset. The entire system is absolute shit and I'd like for angry young men across the world to bring modern civilization to a fucking halt.
Fuck this world, fuck all these god damn stupid whore's, but most of all fuck all you guys who perpetrate the lie that you can better yourself and become part of this top elite tier of men who have it all. Guess what fuckers, it's not obtainable and you're all running yourselves into the grave trying to obtain something that ain't coming.
Learn to be happy being alone as that's all we're ever going to get. Anyone comments about "anger phase" can go fuck off. I've been in the "anger phase" for close to two decades now and it ain't going away, this ain't a fucking phase, it's my existence manifesting its self and coming to fruition.
edit: Thank you all for the responses, I've read them all and appreciate every one of them, from the criticisms, to the encouragement, to the insults to the pleasantries I very much appreciate you all commenting here.
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I have so many issues with this rant.
If all you're looking for is a fuck here and there, then why don't you just go ahead and pay for some prostitute? If you're looking to meet a fucking cool girl and develop a relationship and have someone you actually care about who cares about you too, then change your fucking attitude.
EDIT: you were (partly) right about one part though, you shouldn't rely on anyone else for your happiness, but not because "thats all you're going to get" because thats part of being healthy. And that's true of everyone. If you can't be happy single and love yourself alone how can you expect someone else to? I spent a while dating thinking it would make me happy before i realised this, then i took a break from going on any dates or anything for a while, became happy in my own life alone, and then met a guy I fell in love with and have a wonderful relationship with.
[deleted] 7y ago
I love how you're replying to a post I made 4 months ago as if I give a fuck about your dumb ass opinion.
Btw nice pathetic post in your history here. Posting to LongDistance: i_21f_am_feeling_burnt_out_in_ldr_love_my
Boo hoo I'm in a long distance relationship and I'm sad!
You're fucking pathetic.
edit: lol 0wned
melniav0 7y ago
Peacocking for females, is insulting to one's dignity even if it works. I've always thought of myself as no less of a human then any girl. Why would I placate and flatter them as some sort of servant? It is beneath me. What can we do.. world works this way. Eat or be eaten...compete for females or go geneticly extinct. Blame biology and natural selection. For us, MGTOW, the quest is to find fulfilment within, not contingent on approval of females or society. In this way we are more clear on something every human should be striving for.
Redditis4virgins 8y ago
Hey OP, don't know if you're gonna read this but I see where you're coming from.
I think certain parts of the country are more this way than other and some parts are alot less this way too.
I agree that the average american woman is kinda disgusting.
But there are good quality women out there, rare, but they're there.
Learn to be happy alone and keep being patient until you find a quality one, then snag her away.
whatthewoot 8y ago
Buy some fucking plastic surgery dude.
whodidyawhat 8y ago
Jesus Christ it's a fucking bird. Why don't you cry about it
tolerantman 8y ago
We men always have to be "better", we always have to "do more", we always have to look great, to have high status, to have money, to be strong and charming,, and we can't even expect commitment from women, we can't even expect that they will not jump on the dick of the first famous musician or athlete that crosses her path, we can't even expect of her not being a whore, we have to adapt and try to always be better and compete, so we can get with a bitch that is not going to do ANYTHING for us, who will not even bother with being loyal or even looking good and being in good shape. (the wall is hitting women younger and younger nowadays, with so much drinking) Then she will complain about how hard her life is, how men are pigs, about how great she is and still there are no "good" men for her.
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dirtydog413 8y ago
Epic fucking rant bro and I agree with everything you've said. I came to the same conclusions years ago (I'm English living in the UK but what you said about American women and society is exactly the same here and for lots of places). The game isn't worth playing so the only logical thing to do is opt out altogether. Fuck this society, it's beyond saving at this point and needs a major reset.
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Ali_s1987 8y ago
The first thing you need to realize(take the red pill) is biology among the sexes. One human male produces enough sperm in a day that he is capable of impregnating every single human female on the planet. Till the day he dies.
Women on the other hand produce one egg a month. Till the age of 40. And the older she is the more chances their are that the baby is going to be born with some sort of physical or mental deformity.
So while one man can impregnate the entire female population, the same does not apply to women ofcource. Which means men are dispensable. They dont really have a value. The only time a human male has value is when he is doing something for more then himself. IE for his family, for the community, for the country, for the world eg, Scientists, astronomers, chemists etc. That is the main reason we are in the 2016 with a roof over our heads, ease of access to food etc. Because men built all that, some for personal gain, others for profit, and some for their pick of the females.
TRP teaches you to go work out. It helps men mentally and at the same time attracts women. It tells you to work on yourself and make money. Which are both traits women are attracted to. It tells you to have abundance mentality. Because that is attractive to females. It tells you to take control of your life and be a leader. Again..........something women are attracted to.
At the end of the day, all life on this planet has one basic purpose. To reproduce and survive as a species. And for the survival of the species you dont need every single male around. However you do need females in abundance.
When you realize these things then it will be clear to you why females act in the way they do. They lie and cheat indiscriminately with their hamster running at full speed trying to justify their actions but in reality its basic biology. Her eggs are of value. If she chooses the wrong male then she is screwed. And that is why you have to show off your peacock feathers to make her believe that you are worthy of her. However you need to have abundance mentality to not get attached to one female too much because biology states that she will jump ship if she finds a better mate then you.
And I can go on and on about it! :P
Morranaii 7y ago
what about girls that dont want to have kids/reproduce? they also act in the same way.
EndoScorpion 8y ago
Do you think that the OP may have just had random bad luck, or a rough social situation, could it be if the social skills and situations were different he would win?
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One of the reasons I go my own way (MGTOW), as females pretty much control relationships/sex, etc. It's a cliche that even the fatties are bogged down with messages from spineless simps/manginas, and thus end up with an entitled attitude. The future seems bleak from where I'm standing, but hey, watch it all burn and grab the popcorn.
EndoScorpion 8y ago
Is a person's level of social skills a factor?
Ovendice 8y ago
The reason why you can be attractive, fit and over 6 feet tall and have a decent job and STILL be rejected is because women get off on shitting all over people in general and rejecting a man out of her league is an ego boost. Women think backwards and upside and in an extremely perverse way. Jealous, spiteful, petty, unaccountable and vindictive. That sums up a female's entire personality.
Then there is the problem that women are simply insane- all the times I ever had sex it was simply just dumb luck because she just 'happened' to be bored of her boyfriend or looking for someone, etc. There's no rhyme or reason with women, talking to them is like talking to a schizophrenic in a mental hospital, they could be acting 100% as if they like you and then take a knife in the next instant and stab you in the face with it both literally and metaphorically. It's completely impossible to tell and all of these clowns who try to make a science out of it all are just morons who don't truly understand women. Of course no one can argue that they're improving their likelihood and their odds, but there is no science to deducing what a psychopath is thinking, because she doesn't even know what she's going to be thinking 3 seconds from now. It's why women are so insanely flaky and couldn't keep a commitment if their soul depended on it.
That's why nothing is going to improve until society goes back to the traditional model and women are stripped once again of legal rights and the freedom to do just whatever they want to do. Giving women equal rights is like giving children equal rights, they don't know what to do with them, don't need them and do nothing but destroy lives with them.
But until that happens and the divorce laws are radically changed and all of these psychotic rape laws that make even looking at a female rape and god knows what other insanity, one night stands, dating and marriage - ALL of it is completely out of the question for any man who is intelligent and cares about his future and his life.
NaughtyFred 8y ago
After a year of trp I've come to the conclusion that...
Omega: Gets no shit sandwich, but is surrounded with the stink of others shit sandwiches, and kinda wants one of his own.
Beta: Gets a big shit sandwich, and has to pay for it.
Alpha: Gets a shit sandwich for free, it's smaller and sugar coated, but it's still a shit sandwich.
It is what it is.
cheeky--kunt 8y ago
Sigma: goes to another shop and buys bacon.
123Jobber 8y ago
Is there a "type" which wants nothing, doesn't want to play anymore and just gets hookers?
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Funny thing, life is 99% perspective, when it comes to things being good or bad.
If life is full of shit sandwiches, it's because you're mentally expecting it, and finding the smallest reason to believe it.
Most people with an ounce of sense start to realize, you cannot control life, only your reactions to it
Dishmayhem 8y ago
Sigma: invents solar powered sex bot, gets rich.
apackofwankers 8y ago
That's what I am working on
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ShitSandwichOfficial 8y ago
Glad I have your vote in 2016!
thundercat_011 8y ago
Do you prefer rye or sourdough on your turd, Mr. Sandwich?
SexistFlyingPig 8y ago
Giant Douche in '16!
"At least I'm not a Shit Sandwich!"
ShitSandwichOfficial 8y ago
Glad I have your vote in 2016!
hores 8y ago
you forgot to switch the account
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user_none 8y ago
Where does the sigma fit in?
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PrinceofSpades 8y ago
That's the wolf who abandoned the pack to fend for himself. He occasionally will blend in to find a fuck, but it certainly isn't his top priority compared to his YOLO adventure as a lone wolf.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Is omega supposed to be like indifferent?
In wolf packs we refer to the omega as the absolute bottom bitch, like the lowest form of beta. All of the beta wolves will literally group together and pick on that one animal.
Warning nature takes place: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTdaWUDeGsg
aanarchist 8y ago
i can only assume that after being hazed like that the wolf becomes a lot more brutal and aggressive, he'd probably have a twitch reflex to bite anyone who got too close from then on. i wonder if that's what happens with shooters like elliott rodgers, he's an omega that gets ganged up on, and since a human's mind tries to make sense of things, he'll come to the conclusion that the world is evil and people must be destroyed for causing him pain etc etc. some civilized human race we are...
[deleted] 8y ago
omega is what people mean by 'beta' half the time, yet they are too retarded and only know 3 letters of the greek alphabet
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
sigma: finds a shit sandwhich shoppe that will make it with the only fixings he likes to eat it with. They are often far inbetween.
WhySoRuff 8y ago
Not sure thats an omega, maybe a beta who overstepped his boundaries?
Either way, that wolf's status went up after that.
aiguo888 8y ago
The kind of omegas we refer to have entirely dropped out, which some bottom ranking wolves do as well by going their own way.
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TurgidMeatWand 8y ago
Shit what the fuck is zeta?
vandaalen 8y ago
I once was this wolf. Never again.
down_with_whomever 8y ago
Watching that made me realize how incorrectly we use the term "lone wolf."
The lone wolf isn't the star. The lone wolf is that guy.
Bizzibodi 8y ago
The "lone wolf" was in an unnatural environment...they were all caged...so the Omega couldnt just say fuck this shit and leave.
GroundhogLiberator 8y ago
Poor bastard :(
I feel sympathetic because it's not his fault that he's like that (unless an animal behaviorist can correct me). It's not like the human beta male whose shortcomings are his own doing.
RPAlternate42 8y ago
But we are still animals.
The pack is making sure that low quality wolf is beaten into submission and made to know that he isn't wanted; I guarantee that many of the wolves were female too: "stop trying to make mating happen; it's not going to happen."
Sure it's not some schlubs fault if he looks like Steve Buscemi and pepper from American Horror Story had a kid, but that's what he is and many people probably won't find him attractive. Hopefully he discovers other traits and value to add to his life but from a strict physical standpoint... he lost.
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And yet one could argue that it's not even the betas fault. A man whose reality conforms him to a beta lifestyle may not know there is anything but
HomoSapiensNemesis 8y ago
By that logic, all women are blameless as well - having simply conformed to the circumstances and indoctrinations of her environment.
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yaysmr 8y ago
Omegas are the completely passive bystanders. Not even trying (lack of will, lack of resources, apathy) to play the game so they can't even be said to be playing the game 'badly.'
Betas are the ones who are trying to play the game but are completely misguided as to the rules and their own role. They play the game badly and get pissed off when they aren't winning. The only people they have to take that rage out on are omegas.
JohnGalt316 8y ago
what am i then?
i don't use tinder or go to bars/clubs anymore. all my gfs came from social networking. i got a few fwbs i text when i'm not busy. i've been dating a few nurses, but nothing serious. i'm busy focusing on finishing med school and my free time is spent with friends and family. i don't actively seek out girls because i'm already getting laid.
IM_PRETTY_RACIST 8y ago
That could easily be seen as alpha.
yaysmr 8y ago
But you're getting the girls, and you presumably did some work to get them?
JohnGalt316 8y ago
definitely. i guess i'm just using social networking and day game.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Day game is a better way to make more genuine connections, as is social networking.
You're doing just fine, considering most everyone in the medical field can barely talk to a girl at all.
People need to stop comparing themselves to others on here, and instead compare themselves to those around them. I may not even be a top 10% man in the grand scheme of things, but I'm the top dog at my current job, was at my last two as well, and am in my social circle. I'm the alpha of my pack, regardless of where I stand in relation to the world, and that gives me bonus points with women.
Tinder and night game is basically fighting harder for more casual sex. I think a lot of frustrated guys here go out to a bar and try to find a girl to turn into a plate or to date and the truth is that isn't why she's there; she's there to get consensually raped just for that night by the biggest, most alpha caveman out and about that night, or the model looking guy she is used to rubbing one off to. Just watch the way she looks at the bouncer and the hottest male bartender, respectively. Either be that guy (I personally fall into that latter category), or use day game instead.
Tinder is just night game during the day. Good on you for taking advantage of the thirsty nurses around you.
unicorn-carousel 8y ago
I tell my BP/WK guy friends that I have "type A and type B" girls that I like, when they ask who I like. If they ask to elaborate, "A" is alpha/career/bad bitch/good fucks, "B" is 'good' girl/worthy basic bitch/feminine polarity.
I flirt with type B as I go about my day, and type A when I'm out at night or sometimes at a career focused thing. Tinder is pretty clearly type A, while OKC might--might--pull a type B (if I used it). I think we're on the same page, adding my $0.02.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
I'd argue that most of those type b girls either used to be type a or still are at times but are just much better at hiding it. Awalt.
unicorn-carousel 8y ago
You can find 18-20 year old virgins who aren't broken yet in the right circles. AWALT of course, but all eggs are like that too and ones that haven't been broken yet are some of the best food you can eat.
whisky1111 8y ago
This is why I am at least partially mgtow. American women seem to be living in their own little dreamworld now. Most are truly toxic and the society just encourages it.
Swoledinger 8y ago
Rome is burning, but if you'd like I can show you how to party.
[deleted] 8y ago
It's a broader institutional issue. That's why MGTOW is actually an important development of human sociology.
As I commented in this thread below in another way, TRP teaches men how to play the game in order to get access to pussy, but it doesn't work towards change in the system itself to work in their favour. In other words, RP men are allowing women to still maintain the control/upper hand by adapting/supplicating to their hypergamy, rather than rejecting it wholly and playing the game on their own terms. Men shouldn't have to become anything - they are changing themselves for women. Women SHOULD BE changing for MEN.
Instead of adapting (and supplicating) to the "new sexual market place", men should reject it completely and break it down from the outside. That's the only way things can change for the better, is to burn it to the ground and stop feeding the beast.
gopher_glitz 8y ago
Some guys have a lot of untapped potential. Others, no matter how hard they try won't ever be someone women will want. It's going to be up to each person to find out which they are. However, bitching about it won't do shit and nobody wants to hear it or feels sorry for you.
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Considering the post was a top post for a while, has over 500 upvotes, and I've recently been gilded, I would deny your assertion that nobody wants to hear it.
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benuntu 8y ago
The men that think they can't never will be in the 10%. I've known fat guys, short guys, guys with small dicks, and poor guys that bag some beautiful women time and again. Being that 10% isn't all about being tall, in great shape, handsome, and wealthy. They certainly make it easier, but it's more about the attitude. Attaining those things often will give you confidence to believe in yourself, regardless of affirmation from anyone else. But it's not the only way.
Finding some way of getting to that attitude is what is crucial for your own mental health, and how other people see you. That other superficial shit can fool people for a while, but there are plenty of good looking successful people having miserable lives and terrible relationships. Unfortunately, I can't tell you how to get to that comfortable spot and not give a shit if it feels like women are barely tolerating you. I used to be wrapped up in it too, and all I can say is focus on yourself. Random people's opinion's of you have actually very little to do with you.
T0000009 8y ago
I learned this decades ago looking out the back end of a C-130 in the middle of the night, right before it was time to work... Once you've done great things, you have no need to rely on what some punk tells you is important or needed to be a success.
No female on earth will ever value your worth, because they have no concept of what value is.
StinkyDiaper 8y ago
You've already identified the problem in your post - American women. American women SUCK, HARD. I married a woman who moved here from Haiti at age 7. Raised by Haitian parents, she was strictly taught a wife remains by her husband through thick and thin, she was taught to cook, and is an incredible mother. I also inspired her to work out, which she does very often now.
FIND A NON-AMERICAN WOMAN, PLEASE.
Trump_is_my_Daddy 8y ago
Come to MGTOW, read some philosophy, I recommend Nietzche, Schopenhauer and Camus. Find inner peace. It's the only thing we can arrive for nowadays.
Five_Decades 8y ago
Good rant. Women are the gatekeepers of procreation, and because environmental challenges change generation to generation, they pick men in the elite minority who are adapted to survive in the current environment.
Have you seen the movie Sin City? There is a character in it named Marv who couldn't even pay a hooker to sleep with him. He only had sex once because a hooker was using him for protection. A quote from another character in the movie about his lack of success with mating was:
The traits that make you succeed in one environment are not the traits that succeed in a different environment. And environment changes, so what makes a man the top 10% in one environment makes him invisible in another. Warren Buffet has said he would be a total failure in a hunter-gatherer society. In a hunter-gatherer society the stupid, aggressive alpha male may be the one who monopolizes the resources, today he just ends up in jail. The physical and psychological traits needed to succeed vary depending on environment, and women select the best ones in a constantly changing world.
The only real solution (assuming your goal is to be in the top 10%) is to either find an environment where you are in the top 10% as you are, or change who/what you are to become the top 10% in your current environment. As you said, trying to change to become the top 10% hasn't worked.
It is a sad system, I agree. But the women are just as miserable because they are all trying to date above their market value, and they keep getting disappointed. Loads of mediocre women think they deserve it all, and when they fail to get it they end up depressed and bitter. So there is that.
Izzenw 8y ago
Welcome to MGTOW bro. You just evolved. IMO, MGTOW is the evolution of TRP. A Mature and experienced TRPer will one day or another go into MGTOW.
I realized that I was into MGTOW when I had the same Insight as you did. What is the difference between hiring a professional escort and hitting a woman at a bar? The payment method ofc.
You know, my problems were solved when I started into the professional escorts scene. I have even banged some low-fame porn actress. And I'm spending less than I would if I were fucking normal gals.
I'm out of the system. Paying directly for sex, and having time for me and for a better quality of life.
I'm free of this bullshit. I have choosen to be a lone wolf. I'm only afraid to be alone when I'm old... but perhaps I will die even before that. When I hit my 60, I will buy a harley davidson and cross USA and then I will see what I will do with my life.
Ifuckinglovepron 8y ago
Still in the anger phase.
Let go of the anger, just embrace the empty pointlessness for what it is.
Or MGTOW the fuck out.
WeRAllOne 8y ago
Holy shit dude. Right on.
I'm fucking tired of lying to myself saying this shit will get better. Well news-fucking-flash, it aint, and it wont. You hit the nail on the head with this, OP. Its all fucking bullshit. This whole game is bullshit. What I still have yet to never get over, even since a young age, is the possibility of having a soul connection with a chick. Another news flash, that shit dont exist. Im just another dude she lusts for until she finds a Chad with a bigger cock and a bigger pay check.
What really blows the most about the entire game, especially with the American chicks you talk about, is that we only have one reality to live in. And we ended up, of all possible realities in an infinite amount of universes, with shallow, brash, crude, conniving, unthinking, and most of all UNCOMPASSIONATE women. How the fuck are women so uncompassionate to men? They are absolutely cold. If you arent Chad, you are worthless. Do these bitches even know what it does to a man to make them feel without worth? Its a fate worse than death. Fuck it dude, Im tired of lying to myself. It is what it is.
OmegaMan2 8y ago
That's quite a pessimistic tome. I've been where you were and I wish I could say it was easy to "improve" yourself, but I can't. The road is long, hard and has many twists and turns and dead ends. My teen years and my entire 20s were a wasteland. I eventually did end up losing my virginity in my early 30s so it is possible to go from being a "less than zero" omega to someone who was able to get the ladies into the sack easily. I don't do that anymore as I'm now married to a wonderful woman and my wife would get upset with me if I still chased the ladies.
I would like to suggest that instead of peacocking which never worked for me anyway, that you start off by simply engaging cashiers, waitresses and other ladies you meet in the course of your day, in some small talk without trying to pick them up or anything like that. Chats can last 10 to 20 seconds if she's busy or perhaps a few minutes. Ask them for help with something like directions or other small stuff like that. Don't try to pick them up at this stage, rather just talk to the ladies to get used to their reaction. Don't come on strong or seem desperate, for "desperation is the seduction killer".
It took me a good 13 or 14 years before I got to the point where I could approach the ladies and get them back to my apartment. It may take you many months or even a few years, but don't think you can do it 2 weeks.
cazzah123 8y ago
The only thing that really gets me is that a female can be born, and as long as she doesnt get too fat she can shake her ass for very good living.
Look at IG models. Some of these girls are barely into their 20's and their life consists of expensive cloths and meals, jewlery, mansions, boats, pool/beach parties etc.
They were literlly born with the biggest silver spoon imaginable in their mouth.
Go find the male version of that. Outside of being an oil barons son it just doesnt happen.
Battle-Scars 8y ago
I guess the male version would be the young gay male kept by the older rich gay man in a luxurious lifestyle. As long as he stays young and feminine he will get validated, just like a woman.
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I feel your pain brother. I work at a fine dining restaurant in a very affluent small town just outside of a major city. I see it every day with my own two eyes. The modern woman seems so far beyond any redemption. They are not humble, they are not conscientious, and they are entitled. Narcissistic women that only receive what they believe is the best. Don't be fooled though, under all of that lies a vapidity and soullessness that you wouldn't want anyways. Not all women are this extreme, and it may be hard to believe but some women are much more whole people than these women. At clubs and bars you will find the worst of it my friend, women who have been training and looking for that rich man to cling on to and give them value because they cannot do so themselves. They will treat you like shit because you aren't chad moneybags thundercock. That's okay, it's almost a blessing my friend
redsfan277 8y ago
Acquire currency. Go to foreign coutnry. Bang hoes.
Putting pussy on a pedestal is what got us here. The price of pussy in western world is too high. You could easily get same quality if not better laids for the price of a big mac
untonyto 8y ago
When love turns to hate is a better day than when either turn to indifference, coz then it's a cold empty meaningless existence till death. Stay angry, that way it all still means something.
Rollo-Tomassi 8y ago
Dancing Monkeys: http://therationalmale.com/2015/04/17/dancing-monkeys/
Men must perform; and even when they’re performing as the result of genuine curiosity and interest they will make an impression on women. You cannot remove yourself from the Game. There’s a misnomer that Red Pill advocates believe all men need do is be good looking, aloof and let women come to them, but the truth is that even if you’re not approaching you’re still performing, you’re still presenting a presence that women (and other men) will evaluate.
The genuineness of your motive is only realized by you.
As I’ve repeated many times, women should only ever be a complement to a man’s life never the focus of it. This is because women’s focus is primarily on themselves and once your primary focus becomes women they quickly lose interest. Men’s attractiveness lies in the results of that outward facing fascination that excludes women from its attention.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Hello good sir. Thank you for the reply, I was wondering if this rant would get any traction last night and I wake up with a bunch of senior contributors commenting here to my surprise so I suppose I at least resonated with people.
That really is the crux of the issue isn't it? Either you deal with the bullshit, chest up and go into the swarm of insanity fighting, or you tuck tail between legs and give up.
[deleted] 8y ago
I think it's funny that he calls you a whiny bitch because you are saying in your post that you think it sounds like a logical decision to opt out.
To me that sounds no different than a feminist or a women trying to shame you back into playing the game when you have figured out how the game is stacked against you.
Do not let others shame you into making decisions you have found for yourself to be the wrong ones. Your post does not sound angry to me. It sounds quite reasonable to be honest.
I think that TRP is a good place for men to find that motivation to work hard and become better men but to do it for pussy is the wrong way to go.
You said it yourself that your happiness is the only thing that matters. Society and even your biology will say that you need to find a women.
Well your biology doesn't know how stacked that game is against you. That hard work you do is for yourself. Lifting, finding a better job, and finding hobbies that you enjoy are for you.
Not to make you an attractive man or for making you part of the top ten percent. Pussy is pussy. Do not forget about how untrustworthy women are. How marriage is a game you shouldn't play. How modern women are nothing more than a holes to fuck around with.
Take your own advice from the post you wrote above and opt out. Keep up the hard work but don't do it for pussy. Do it for yourself.
insoucianc 8y ago
Yeah, pretty much. What are your goals anyway, to find a chick that appreciates and loves you?
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RedPillDad 8y ago
OP is staring back into the abyss of humanity behind him. Can't do that. Energy/mindset is too valuable and vulnerable to lock your focus onto the dark underbelly. Got to redirect the gaze upwards and keep moving lest you fall back into the abyss.
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It is interesting because I understood the situation from an academic standpoint, as an observer would observe a system, study it and understand it. There is a big difference between academically understanding something and truly experiencing and comprehending it.
That rant up there is essentially a transition from understanding to experiencing and I suppose it was more shocking to me than I originally anticipated.
I appreciate the fact that I even have an avenue I can rant into.
kez88 8y ago
Stop thinking so much, stop being so analytical, stop thinking theres rules, or laws, or a way society is. Go read Eckart Tolle 'The power of now'. It sounds like youre stuck in your head and you can't let go and LIVE and feel alive and be in the moment. You can't solve problems on the paradigms in which they were created. You need to go a level higher. And right now you're like a hamster running around in a maze. We're all going to die. This life is completely pointless. Even when we die, our kids will die, and their kids and their kids and then the sun is going to explode and the whole solar system is going to be nothing. There isn't a point to all of this. But this is ALL there is. So do whatever it is you need to, to try and be happy. Go move to another country, go find another job, go do something. There really is a better life than what it sounds like you're currently living. I live in Australia, which is similar to America, and there are definitely great girls out there who you have good conversations, who don't fuck around on their phone 24/7. You just have to go out enough that you find them
HumanSockPuppet 8y ago
Most of the veterans here read your rant and thought "Yep, I know exactly what he's feeling, why he's feeling it, and where he is on his road to rehabilitation." And yes, it is a journey of rehabilitation - one to which you have only devoted your first few steps. The road ahead of you is long, but it is the only one worth traveling.
The revelations we discuss here are things we should be taught from a young age. But our absentee fathers failed us, and we were forced to find the truth through trial and error, and all of the pain and humiliation that go with it.
Your feelings are not without justification. But remember that this is only temporary, and the amount of time you spend in anger depends entire on your efforts at aligning your worldview with reality.
We will be here when you get to the other side.
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darkrood 8y ago
I know, The other day after I finished my burger.
I bent over just to pick up some bread crumbs on the floor.
I have a 6-pack now and become all muscle-y
GroundhogLiberator 8y ago
Tell me about it, man. I remember when I was sixteen, I told my gym rat friend that I didn't want to get too bulky. He promised me I'd only get toned. But I did five sets of dumbell curls three times per week for a month and next thing i knew, i looked like Schwarzenegger.
I cut that asshole "friend" out of my life and I haven't been to the gym since.
darkrood 8y ago
Totally get you bro.
Used to have a big belly and got compliment for it
Then, I have this assfriend of mine that introduce me to some effective lower body exercises that focus slightly on my core.
Now I have a six pack and no one likes me as a pudgy bear anymore.
FUCK THAT JOCKY ASSHOLE.
trp_angry_dwarf 8y ago
That musta been some fuckin grade A steroids.
_the_shape_ 8y ago
Just as you train hard for the physique that you have, you ought to next train hard to change those lines to: "that always used to bother me", and "I used to get so annoyed, like as if what I look like you could do by accident".
A strong body is easily undermined if a flabby mind is attached to it. Make "mental gainz" (i.e. amused mastery)
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Pastelitomaracucho 8y ago
This is it. Yeah, American women are worthless? Go find yourself one from another culture. Do it. It's incredibly fun.
catacamas 8y ago
This. I've traveled a lot and screwed around with women from several different cultures, it really is a lot of fun.
(I don't know if this is a general thing, but my personal experience has been that 'Western' women tend to be both the worst in bed, and the biggest princesses. I suppose I might get downvoted for that comment. Like I said, that's just my one single 'data point'.)
[deleted] 8y ago
Entitlement+victim mentality, plus the lie of male/female equality. It's actually contributed to the decline of women's happiness...
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RedSugarPill 8y ago
Oh yeah? Well, you sound like a whiney beeatch! Only fags use the rant flair! Now watch me do a pull-up with a slut draped around me like a foo-foo infinity scarf. Speaking of scarves, you wanna buy a shirt?
savedarticles 8y ago
I love that the solution is to move to a totally foreign country where you will be preyed upon by everyone there. If you manage to fend off all that shit, maybe you can be happy.
trp_angry_dwarf 8y ago
Plz provide evidence if your assertion. New Zealand would be a great place for OP (a pissed off whiny bitch American PUA failure.)
[deleted] 8y ago
You live in Australia therefore your opinion is meaningless.
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
I really want to know how old OP is, and what his game is like.
progggrammerr99 8y ago
Some people just have a different vibe/way of speaking/acting that comes off as fake and awkward. I used to have that, i may still have it but looking back at past interactions i couldnt figure out how to become less awkward. This was two years ago, and at that time I was on add medicine that made me anxious and jittery. I shut myself off to the world and had no confidence. I think just coming out of my shell and forcing myself to speak to others really helped me change that.
Edit:meant to post to GLOs comment but ill leave it anyways
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
No worries, its a good response. You could try what I did. Depending on your tolerance I used booze for awhile. Not blind drunk, but enough to edge the anxiety off. After some time I became comfortable enough not to use booze and now I can chat without it. Throwing yourself into those situations is really the best way. ADD pills can make you have intense focus, but damn do they make you jittery.
progggrammerr99 8y ago
Ive started taking testosterone, and ive noticed myself making natural feeling conversations much more often. And with women i give of a more sexual vibe. Ive stopped taking add medicine, but the problem is ny add is so bad i don't have the focus to read at all. I can read a paragraph and then my mind wanders. I'm starting some sort of natural treatment soon but ive read for most people that shit doesn't work.
Tom_The_Human 8y ago
How much do you use the internet and/or play video games?
How often do you read a book?
progggrammerr99 8y ago
Cut out video games last year but i reddit/ browse forums when im bored. Im beginning to cut back on that now
Tom_The_Human 8y ago
Good to hear - heavy internet usage has been linked to an increase in short term thinking, and a decrease in long-term thinking capabilities.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yeah, we don't need another elliot rodgers
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[deleted] 8y ago
elliot rodgers was an isolated case. You could tell the dude had intense mental problems. I guarantee that even if he was getting laid, he would have found another fixation and would have killed over it.
[deleted] 8y ago
nonsense. sexual frustration is rampant in the west. do you think all these school shootings happen because of bad grades??
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
I agree, that level of entitlement was disgusting in his videos. Just as bad as female entitlement.
[deleted] 8y ago
Uh it was less the entitlement and more like the whole killing people part, but i understand what you mean.
I think the same sexual frustration is the main drive for the majority of suicide bombers. The top 10% get harems, for the rest, 72 virgins after you do the job. No negotiation.
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
I think the entitlement contributed to it. The guy wasn't bad looking, probably could have put on some muscle, but he had zero game. No one is entitled to anything, especially pussy. You won't get very far if you have no game.
[deleted] 8y ago
You know those people that post "Queen/King" stuff on social media, despite the fact that they have nothing to do with regality, or at least aristocracy? There's your big red flag.
Elliot seemed to have Narcissistic Personality Disorder to me, which is why he had these delusions of grandeur and expectations. Buddha was right, kill expectations otherwise they kill you. And perhaps 7 other people in the process :P
[deleted] 8y ago
You don't need to become the top 10% to get laid. You just need to be the top 10% at the place you meet her. Become a regular somewhere, become the guy all regulars love, get some power ( maybe you're the DJ or your roomate is the bartender ). Then when she walks in there for the first time you won't have to do much. She won't be looking at her phone when she gets to meet you. The point is she has to see you being alpha BEFORE you open your mouth. Once you do that for a while and start hooking up with them regularly you can start approaching depressed girls on their phones. It's doable but much harder. You're not ready for that.
RP_Vergil 8y ago
You don't have to be the top 10%, you just need to be her top 10%. The point of going out more to hit on woman is because different woman have different benchmark for the "10%" they knew.
It's back to the old age of barter trading, you won't know if this household will trade you the bacon you want with the eggs you have. The process can be long and daunting, hence why your focus shouldn't be on getting those poon, but working on yourself such that you'll end up lead a better life than most other males still stuck either in the perpetual self-victimizing Beta Game or the Omega males who can't seem to get out of their comfort zone.
DeadSpool 8y ago
Oh mate, if you were in England I'd sit you down at the kitchen table with a cup of tea and some Hobnobs.
STNKMyyy 8y ago
Honestly dude just come to Mexico, most of the women may be like that but at the end of the day if you are smoking hot they will fall for you. American princesses are stupid entitled whiney bitches, here in Mexico they might be stupid bitches but only some of them are entitled, the majority are brain dead, basically hit and run fuck machines.
WhyNotJustEnjoyLife 8y ago
I know a lot of you weak ass pathetic "I can't go on knowing what I know about women" bitch boys want to see the best in women. But you romantic hapless little fucks need to keep swallowing your red pills and stop longing for love. Life isn't about love, it's about being a winner. Prioritising love is for losers. Men who are winners get loved because they are powerful, not because they sought it out and "gave into the fantasies aroused by a woman's manipulative devices." You have to stay in control of yourself when with a woman, don't let her take control of how you feel and see the world.
steelfil666 8y ago
I said the exact same script to my self more than a few times in my life and in fact maybe just last week after a bad night, but it ain't true. I don't believe it anymore because i found out some solid truths about women, men and myself that changed me in the core. The self improvement works but not in the way you tried it, not in the way society tells you to improve. The car, the house, the body, the intellect won't take very far if not at all. The only improvement you need is to embody the knowledge that women are in fact lesser creatures and you are an alpha male. And don't mean it in an angry way " They are just bitches and sluts who cares" i mean in your core to understand that you have value. If you find it difficult to believe that, then maybe help yourself by completing some of the goals society set for you just to gain some confidence, not that the goals their self matters, its just the core confidence you gain from it. You talked about the 10% but the good news is that every single one us can be on the 10% all 100% of us. Lose the scarcity mentality that for me to be alpha someone else has to be beta. When it comes to women its how you behave and if you behave like the 10% you are it. Women in the caveman era didn't chose males by looks and money or their opinions on female rights, they chose them by their behavior learn those behaviors learn how to grab what you want like a real alpha and don't be upset about anything thats the most important remove anger from your life. Ok so you lost 20 years in it so what? Begin some meditation, yoga and be sure to psychoanalyze your self. There is no place for anger in the alpha male mentality. All i can to give you one more shield in your arsenal in this battle with your demons is to turn your attention to Tyler and the blueprint decoded, 20hours of knowledge. Before i attend it i was a like a blind man and now i found my self, fucking a different woman every month for a year, without changing anything in the outer world. I still dont have car still have the same money problems still have the same looks. All i changed was my mentality.
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
So OP how old are you? Can you give me an example of some of the game you spit? Do you know how to relax and just let go?
sukhvirk150 8y ago
You might like this sort 7 min convo about the BS of 'love'.
https://youtu.be/FUtTKgKUWGU
This guy Jacque Fresco understands shit better than most.
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unicorn-carousel 8y ago
I don't speak overt RP to my WK colleagues, but almost every single one has a huge target on their back. 6 figure salary and/or 7+ figure bank account tech guys. They are coming to notice how much attention I get from the girls and how I am picky with/dismissive of them, while still being one of the top performing/trusted/lead engineers on the team. They bring up their dating life to me and I tell them sugar coated stories and use the platonic method. Bonus: the latter is total plausible deniability.
jdot21 8y ago
You're right about a lot but you have to learn to quit giving a shit about women. Ironically, the less you GAF about girls, the easier they are to get.
Find something you love and can be passionate about and do it because you want to, not to impress women.
You have every right to be angry. I was and still occasionally go through anger periods, but life is miserable that way.
Garzalon 8y ago
What you call "system" is the product of many millions of years of refinement trough natural selection. As Jared Diamond mentioned in his book "why is sex fun?", it is in every individuals best interests to pass on their genes the most times possible to the best suitors around. Due to the conflict of interest that there is out of this, there will inevitably be winners and a lot of losers.
As trp focuses most of its teachings into strategies to enhance your apparent reproductive value and not your REAL unalterable evolutive value (your genes), this facade can and will be detected if not setup correctly. Most people are born with mediocre genes, not everyone can win the lottery. This is specially true for women, as we men are visual creatures who judge a woman's value mostly because of their looks, and we are wise to do so. Women additionally focus on the UTILITY of a relationship, hence why gold-diggers are trending. So basically you are born an Alpha, or become into a useful Beta. Many brothers here are useful Betas, they make women laugh, give them sexual pleasure, economical support you name it. But you can't change your genes. I understand your frustration, but don't blame the system. Even Tinder-addicted chicks follow the same rules that their hunter-gatherer ancestors did. It indeed is what it is.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
But like watching naked and afraid the women are so fucking useless and yet they think they are "equals" being so long removed from that landscape. They KNEW they werent shit back then, there was no hiding it. But it seems they have started to think of themselves as equals now that the physical part has been removed.
Sepean 8y ago
Yeah, I'm an animal. If "looked upon from the outside" I'm sure it seems ridiculous and pointless what I pursue.
But I live my life inside my head. I'm wired with instincts and desires, and they're the key to a good life. Philosophizing (read: bitching and moping) about the futility of life is not.
So I do the dance and make the moves that make the other dumb animals do what I want. And unlike you, I am happy.
You're the one wasting your life.
anonymousoutrage 8y ago
A lot of people here say that you're going through an anger phase, and I concur.
To begin with, it's a completely negative and flawed thought to believe that you'll never be part of this 10% you're so enticed about. Even though you don't know if you'll ever reach "that place", trying is better than just sitting down and crying about it. You're not even taking a risks, it's just sheer force of will to try to achieve something.
I made similar choices to you in that I tried to make myself more interesting and appealing. I'm learning music, learning culture, still working out several times a week and eating right. Since I started at 18 years old, it didn't take me a long time to realize that most of what I did was nearly worthless in order to become more attractive, but it doesn't have to be. Eventually I learned to enjoy everything I do rather than do it for some outside appreciation and some pedestal-placed pussy.
I've gone through the same thoughts you are right now, and they'll probably come back soon enough just to leave again. I've reached the conclusion that just outright not caring about it works best. In a way you defy the system itself, just by not giving place to anything other than yourself.
Battle-Scars 8y ago
For a Man the only way out is through.
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It is frustrating, but it's not bullshit. when you get good enough, "game" becomes like art and nothing feels greater than creating something beautiful.
When you can shape a conversation and make people laugh, when you pull their emotions and change their beliefs, it feels good.
I was out last night "competing" with another dude for some bar bimbo. He's better looking, more muscular, taller, etc. It felt so good to sell the girl, sell the group, amog this guy and have him thank me for it. To see girls want me, to feel guys want to be me, to be desired!
Dancing through the conversation, using jokes, insults, compliments, the full range of words and actions to build people up, beat them down, twist their heads around, to juggle emotions, it's art.
It's when I feel most alive.
If red pill is miserable, you need to change how you're thinking about it. Everything RP is designed to make you a happier person. Woman are just a part of that.
I see red pill with three legs -physical, mentally internal and mentally external.
Working out should physically feel good. Eating right should emotionally feel good. Getting good sleep makes you happy. These things help with depression, anxiety, etc. and you should feel a sense of pride in yourself when you work to improve. Just as the physical part of rp makes you happier, so do the others.
Putting in the work and reading red pill sidebar should be interesting and exciting. It's the truth laid bare. It's the real bible of humanity. When you've read and read, watched and thought deeply enough, it becomes like breathing. It's internalized.
I see it like building a home inside your head. This solids foundation, these support beams you can use to shape how you view any event. Internal rp lets you learn to see failures for their positives (learning opportunities, was that really a failure?, etc) and build towards success. It's the foundation for mental health and happiness.
Finally learning to speak the secret language brings social competence. It helps you build friends and neutralize enemies. It helps you negotiate that raise, and avoid fighting with your family.
It's frustrating not getting laid or feeling desired, but approaches and failure make us stronger better people. I'm thankful for my struggles and failure. You can be too if you chose to frame it that way. That's the internal battle. That's frame control.
I think social competence is the hardest and longest in coming. Don't get too beat down. It takes time.
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YouDislikeMyOpinion 8y ago
Within the system you're describing, you could find blissful ignorance. I say blissful ignorance, because what men are doing here in this subreddit is describing the ends to their blissful ignorance. And that is the risk of it. Sure you could self improve, get your status somewhere, and marry a woman. And you have to marry her within that system, that's just how it works. So you've built up this house of cards. And maybe it will fall. But if it doesn't ever fall, then your house of cards was just as stable as a house made of stone.
This is your decision to make. Weigh the pros and cons and decide.
Yes there is.
I agree with this sentence up until the last 6 words. Imagine you wake up, you are happy, you have purpose, you have drive. What negative will a woman bring if she adds value to your life? Example, you find someone you like to fuck, and enjoy time with. If she stops adding value to your life you can drop her like a dead weight.
You have the power to make yours what you want it to be.
I'm not playing that game. My time is too valuable to me to spend it on that. Many better options to sink time into.
This goes against the majority of what I've seen with my own eyes. I'm sure if I watched you in person I could figure out what it is. Because it's definitely something.
Yes there is.
I hope you see that the anger phase is ripe.
And in reality I couldn't care less that you or anyone else thinks this way. Does it affect me? Does it halt my happiness?
Everything I perpetrate is for someone to improve. Improvement is by definition good. Sure maybe someone has an ass for a face and it may not work for them. They can take what is useful to them and drop the rest.
Moving on.
The system you are describing is the one society created. What you find on TRP are people who are unplugging from that system. Here are some common stages: "Hey, this is bullshit, it's not working like they said it was supposed to". --- "fuck all this shit". --- "This is just the way it is". --- "what do I do with myself in my new found reality?". --- "I could add this positive thing to my life and that positive thing to my life".
But once you're out of that system and you understand reality, you can just live your life and do what's good for you. If you choose not to pursue women, that's your choice. But it is wrong to say that this pursuit is a failed state. Other men live their life and are able to pursue women and have them. If it's not working for you, you can diagnose the problem and look for a solution. Or you can choose not to.
Keep in mind how we lived 10,000 years ago and understand how much we changed. Or rather, how much we haven't. If you think it's healthy to abstain from women, you take risks with your psyche. It's your choice.
To be frank with you. No one gives a fuck, I don't give a fuck. I will sleep soundly. I will however offer what I have to say. What you do with it is your concern.
SarsaparillaCorona 8y ago
Have you considered moving to another country or doing something else? I promise you the women you seek are out there, I know because I've met them.
prf_q 8y ago
I also think this is the answer. As someone from the other side of the world living in USA for 3 years, I still am really having hard time navigating through the dating scene and relationships and I have the feeling that no matter how high my SMV will be, I will be getting some (level of) trash American girl that will never ever actually love me or care about me. It's just a matter of time that a decent girl dumps you here. Other people around the world don’t care about this a lot because it happens rarely.
Many countries still have decent dating and relationships scene at least partially dependent upon people’s feelings and emotions. The dating scene here in US is entirely pragmatic, hence the TRP truths. The gold digging girls seeking out Chads even after they are married... I just still can't wrap my head around it.
Women out there in other countries still love each other and actually put up with each other’s shit rather than spending all their lives jumping on the cock carousel. They love and they care.
But bear in mind that all countries eventually follow American trends and modernise, so the top girls you will be able to find anywhere in Europe, Middle East, Asia are likely to turn out to be just like the wasted American youth.
redditalias7 8y ago
I've got a wild fantasy of USA opening it's borders to allow SE Asian and Eastern European women to come here in droves. Can you imagine the affect? Flood the US dating market with sweet thin beautiful women. All the western independent liberated chubby girls would notice the instant drop in demand for their loose pussy's. The look on their face would be priceless when all their validation orbiters dry up.
Prometheus444 7y ago
It's amazing how disgusting American women are becoming. Check out the fat chick on the cover of Sports Illustrated that is touted as "beautiful"....I'm sorry but you are not beautiful, you are fat and in 10 years will likely look like a beached whale.
Tie5o11 8y ago
I think this is the answer. Try Southeast Asia or Eastern Europe. I think emigration from men is one way to turn the dynamic around. If men of date-able and marriageable age leave this country, not only do they do better abroad, but the demographic changes improve the situation domestically.
csehszlovakze 8y ago
as far as Hungary is concerned, women are the same here just a bit more covert in their ways, easily fooling Westerners. I don't know, maybe Romania or Ukraine is different but to be honest that's not what I've heard.
Five_Decades 8y ago
I've never been, but I've heard the women there are even more hypergamous and entitled than western women. Of course, just having a middle class job and white skin goes a long way in southeast asia. But still, underneath it all the people are the same.
SarsaparillaCorona 8y ago
Exactly, the age of staying in your country your entire life is over, I'll be living in another country by the time I'm 30, no doubt.
Steve_Wiener 8y ago
not really. they will just be replaced by the countless other beta doormats, gronks, and morons desperate for any muff they can get
zue3 8y ago
Truly. Without wars killing off young men everywhere we're now in excessive supply. Hence, we have become disposable.
peruvianlurker 8y ago
I'd recommend Colombia, woman are pretty TRP because competition is very hard for them. What country would be best to move to? Let's make a TRP Country.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
It would actually be funny as fucking hell if the top 10-20% of men in the world all just up and moved to Antarctica, and were like: "okay! any woman that is willing to put up with this frozen hellhole for the rest of their life can have us."
WhyIsYosarionNaked 8y ago
If that man top tier men went there, it wouldn't be a hell hole, they'd turn it into paradise.
And women would ruin it.
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thundercat_011 8y ago
It would probably turn really gay...not that there's anything wrong with that...
Lo-G 8y ago
Welcome to middle ages Vikings, semi kidding.
DaphneDK 8y ago
My family come from some small godforsaken frozen and barren islands in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean. The people moved there mostly to get away from the tyranny of kings. They were kinda alpha in the way that they’d accept no limits to their freedom by puny kings. However in general the Nordic women wouldn’t hear of moving to such a remote and cold place, so the originally Viking settlers had to swing by Scotland and Ireland to pick up slave girls.
Whitified 8y ago
i feel there is no TRP country in the world now.
Kinda why the "Golden Age of Piracy" stories are so popular nowadays IMO
Govedo13 8y ago
Russia? TRP as fuck. South American countries and south Europe. Also most of the Muslim countries as well.
Whitified 8y ago
Have you been to Russia? Well from what i heard Russians are racist as hell. A SouthEast Asian like me will probably not enjoy there, even if i learn to speak their language and live like they do. But that's just based on rumour...
Besides, i won't really trust a country that was still communist/socialist 20 years ago to be anything RP
Muslim countries... well, they have serious issues as well. Im sure someone who lives there can tell you better. I have no clue about SA
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Rasalom72 8y ago
Except that only applies to the "natives"... any white north american guy wouldn't put up with that (or be expected to).
Whitified 8y ago
well, it doesn't matter where you're from, if you wanna live here (or anywhere) you have to work, just like the locals... not sure whats your point...?
Rasalom72 8y ago
The locals will do the work, work, work til you drop thing. Any (self respecting) white guy working over there will not.
zue3 8y ago
As someone who has traveled around Asia and the middle east and is currently living in India I can tell you that the women you're looking for are already in short supply. Western media has spread it's feminazism far and wide.
The traditional marriage/family dynamic that was the backbone of Asian countries and communities has already been eroded away. Women here are just as slutty as women in america/europe and it's getting worse with every passing decade.
Tl;Dr: Fuck you whities for fucking up women everywhere.
Whitified 8y ago
Yep. This. Slightly better, but still more or less influenced by the West
Gorech1ld 8y ago
I was afraid that this is the case.
For instance, from what I've seen, India is actually surprisingly more "progressive" than I originally thought. It seems like in certain areas, the women are essentially as feminist and stuck up as the ones in the United States. There even seems to be club scenes over there. Now, I know that it wasn't a medieval-tier society, but I didn't expect them to be this westernized at this point.
zue3 8y ago
Yeah, I was honestly surprised when I moved back over here a few years ago. Most of the girls are fairly stuck up these days. Honestly, it's quite sad to see India in this state.
hores 8y ago
doesn't hinduism instill it's own form of beta bux conditioning via a class wide style of social conditioning?
zue3 8y ago
That's the way it comes across now since women don't bother with their side of the bargain. Normally a man is told to focus on his career so that he can attract a good marriage proposal from a woman who knows how to cook, clean, looks good, is a virgin, etc. Except Indian girls today don't bother learning how to be good housewives, so men have mostly lost faith in the old system too.
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hores 8y ago
interesting comment with a username like that.
AbramCohen 8y ago
Heh...hand rubbing intensifies
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zue3 8y ago
Lmao if you think that you'll get anyone worthwhile with gimmicks like that.
llmercll 8y ago
Stop your bitching you stupid weak pussy. We are men, we have an obligation to those around us. Make our women happy, and make our people happy.
Somewhere along the way this philosophy was forgotten and the country suffered a moral decay. It can be corrected.
slcjosh 8y ago
I got about 4 paragraphs Into your novel of a rant, and I can tell you, you wreak of Anger phase. You say men take what they wanted back in the day. Guess what. Men take what they want now. You just can't. Raise your value, improve yourself, and get a grip.
gwankovera 8y ago
Well you hit one thing right on the head,
-The only way to find any actual happiness and contentedness in this world is to be able to find that in yourself, not relying on any woman, person, drug, or anything else for any sort of validation or happinessThe only way to find any actual happiness and contentedness in this world is to be able to find that in yourself, not relying on any woman, person, drug, or anything else for any sort of validation or happiness.
Once you have become someone that is happy and does not really care about being validated by others then it won't matter if you have some woman, or are alone because you will be happy with yourself.
Stythe 8y ago
This is your world. Do what you want with what you have. You can never have everything, or most things. All you can do is decide what gives you the most satisfaction and put your time and attention there. Maybe it's women, maybe it's money, maybe it's art, maybe it's something else. You do what you want and you enjoy it. Don't focus on the anger, it's a waste of time and energy in the long run. Use it as a launch pad and then move through it towards a better goal. The fact is you could replace women with anything. Video games, drugs, work, whatever you want. If that's your thing, no one is going to stop you, it's just that most people want a woman in their lives to the point where they're willing to give up their own interests and lose themselves. I sacrificed my enjoyment of life for a relationship once. What I realized is that not being in a relationship isn't that bad as long as I have friends and a social life. The dilemma is that most of my friends want relationships and most are in them unhappily. It's their decision and I will continue to see them as long as it's worthwhile. Sadly, sometimes it isn't because they become so pussy-whipped that they start acting like it's a privilige to hang out. I hate seeing them treated like shit by these women knowing they deserve better but it's not my battle and all I can do is be honest with them. The rest is their call. If I'm being honest, they do it to themselves, but it is what it is.
gardens4lyf 8y ago
You make a lot of good points. There isn't room at the top for everyone, by nature. True happiness should be cultivated from inside. I'm not a huge fan of the whole mating dance thing either. That said, I disagree that it isn't worth improving.
I love going to the gym. I love having to work out in grams how much whole-wheat pasta to put in my meal using my calorie plan and myfitnesspal. I love sparring in Muay Thai. I love reading robert greene. I love learning, always have. It was sometime ago that I realised I was still not in the acceptance phase, more the depressed stage. I was grinding but I didn't enjoy it. I realised I had to love the grind, and now I actually do. All the hardship, the adversity, the rejection after rejection. Losing the girl again and again. I span one below average plate in the year and half of redpill living. Not exactly succeeding at all this in terms of women. But fuck it I love my life anyway. You gotta do this for you, because you love you, because this is life and this is all that there is. If you wanna whine about the system that's cool. I would like to improve the system with time but first I gotta do me.
TL;DR: don't be a negative Nancy OP, love yourself, love the grind, don't do it because you expect a reward (like lots of pussy at the end of the self-improvement rainbow). No, do it for you because you genuinely enjoy it and you realise this is all that there is now and you can either suck it up and PLAY THE FUCKING GAME or you can whine/complain instead :/ what's it gonna be? Also: travel mate, GTFO of America. I'm leaving the UK as soon as I can. Go have some fun adventures in foreign countries, I think you'll enjoy seeing some places other than america
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kappy_the_kike 8y ago
This is primarily due to Jewish Bolshevism.
SmilingWatermelon 8y ago
Channel your anger. You say you've done everything you needed to but have you truly been working as hard as you say? I aim to have a body like ulisses. (May have spelt it wrong search him up) when you go out are you the best man in the room? The most socially apt? Most physically dominant? Women only want the best. Yeah it sucks ass, media makes them forget to be content with a good man but fuck it. If they are gonna be narcissistic whores then fill them with your cum and leave. Become a top male and enjoy life on YOUR terms.
Just enjoy the decline. As a self realized male you have an advantage. Hard work is your life now. Embrace it and forget about putting women first. If you had a passion of some sort and women were second I doubt you would've made this post.
Re-adjust your priorities.
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Entropy-7 8y ago
Roosh referred to this as "clown game" and expressed his distaste for it.
I have never been into the whole PUA thing, and I have never picked up a girl at a bar. I was an 18 year old virgin and then I reinvented myself. When I was 30 and I was not getting pussy, I reinvented myself again. And it has all worked out well for the last 20 years.
I don't have a great body or a high income or anything that you could call "game". I'm not in the top 10% of much other than IQ where I am in the top 2%. So I play my strong suit. It works for me.
Plus, women don't respond to anger, so get over it. Do some Zen or something. Women are attracted to men who enjoy their lives. The paradox is that if you can enjoy life without women, women will want to enjoy life with you.
mojo_juju 8y ago
ahem someone needs to get laid...
take your finger off the trigger and take a breather bro
Go outside. Smile at the sun. and remember your words:
then name 5 things you are grateful for.
johnchapel 8y ago
You understand that peacocking is a metaphor right?
How in the fuck did you not get that its just a metaphor?
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johnchapel 8y ago
Of course theyre similar. Thats why that particular metaphor is used. But its a metaphor.
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johnchapel 8y ago
Why is it animalistic? Because we've decided to pick a metaphor for what an animal does?
Ummm...yes. Actually, thats where the entirety of the metaphor lies. Peacocking is specifically to attract females (or to a lesser extent, threaten other males) If OP is stumbling upon the insight that this is in fact a metaphor NOW, what exactly did he think it was before?
If that sentence alone doesnt reek stupendously of a completely isolated-specific-to-OP incident that he's somehow painting everyone with the same brush of his experiences, then I dunno what does.
This sub has gone completely to shit and I don't see how it can recover anymore.
AreThereAnyCoolNames 8y ago
Every time I'm in the disco I'll think I'm delivering my mating dance.
lawr11 8y ago
I love this entire post. I have nothing to add to the conversation though besides precious upvotes.
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Take your money out of the banking system to crash it all. Stop feeding the beast.
Bizkitgto 8y ago
If you haven't watched the movie Fight Club, you should. If you haven't read the book Fight Club, you should. If you've done the above - do it again....until it clicks. Buckle up!
dking168 8y ago
The problem is that you HAVE to play the system because you might not, but the female will because it works in her favour.
Unfortunately, it takes two to tango. It only gets worse in North America (I know because I live there too). My suggestion is to just let it go and see it for what it's for. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Then the US (and the west) is not for you. neither the redpill, to some extent, I think you're better of with MGTOW.
and to add something, most of us here, in TRP, dont workout and do all that only to "please women". if somehow women started being exclusively attracted to fat men, we will still hit the gym, if women started getting exclusively attracted to losers who play video games all day, we will still strive to succeed with our careers/life.
getting pussy is a byproduct, but not the goal. remember that.
now women can think that we're "dancing and jumping" for them all they want, no one gives a shit what they think.
Spiral-knight 8y ago
I want to add that there is precious little, if any solace to be found outside "The West" The issues may be a bit different but there is no escaping human nature in the modern age. There is no Red Pill promise land.
I have nothing to add to this conversation.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Thank you. I came to TRP long ago to better myself. It was when I stopped caring if I got laid or not, because I knew I needed to build a better me, regardless of women, for myself.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Let it out. We've always been here for you to vent. If you have money and a gym body now, then go visit a foreign country. Go to Thailand, or the Philippines, or any SEA country, or rural China, less so south Korea or Japan but they are better for traveling worse for women, or somewhere in rural Russia or rural Eastern Europe (no, Ukraine is now waaay to popular, fuck that place). Go to those places and be the same man you are and watch how the non-entitled women treat you. Watch how they'll work hard to keep your attention because they hope you'll be the one to take them away from their situation.
Learn the language, impress her with it. You might even find a wife while you are off traveling for you, relaxing and stepping back from the anger that American life causes you. Go live for you somewhere else for a while, it sounds like women aren't the only cause for your stress, and you probably need a vacation away from work. Maybe take a year off. Go try joining a Buddhist temple, no lie.
squidracer 8y ago
I go through these spells.. I'll go mgtow for awhile and eventually start dating again..
Usually after hooking up with a couple chicks I remember why I gave up in the first place.. My last ex would annoy me or play games and only provided nightly sex..
Wel108 8y ago
In attractiveness, I'm in the top 10%. Overall, i would say no, because I'm still working on my career. I'm not sure what your SMV is, but i live in a City where the competition is very real and hypergamy is very real. Miami, FL. However, I won't fall victim to the mindset of checking out completely. I'm more on the Marriage Pill side where i want a family. I understand that there is a very good chance finding a valuable female in Miami is not going to happen. But it doesn't mean there aren't options out there to find better women than what i currently see in Miami. There are always females willing to have sex that are within your SMV range. You just need to consider that maybe your standards are too high, or you're looking in the wrong places.
Success isn't in getting women. Because that would mean failure is not having a woman. -Book of Pook
lenin1928 8y ago
Yes you're correct op. It is a meat grinder. But if you don't run the gauntlet, even if it is unfair you definitely will lose. Men who don't compete are strained out by nature since they end up without children. Men are always forced to walk alone. But there were justified privileges for men who worked hard everyday and suffered to the top. Feminism and sjw movements erased those hard earned justified rewards. There really is no answer except to solider on and continue the numbers game even if it is bullshit. Maybe through all of this men will learn to band together and stop the destructive competition for such things as women and money that keep us separated.
Profdiddy 8y ago
Perhaps OP can elaborate on his circumstances and features? Maybe we could help.
You didn't mention game. I think that point is telling. Perhaps you have a touch of aspergers?
I don't want to see you end up a suicide statistic or terrorist. Reach out to the community, don't disparage it.
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The_human_meshnet 8y ago
200 dollars for a fuck? are the chicks even easy on the eyes mate?
dr_warlock 8y ago
Type "[insert your city] escort backpage" into your search engine. Plenty of very bangable women available below that price range.
$200 once a month for a good looking girl that doesnt whine, shit test, play games, require courting, or pry for commitment sounds good to me.
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that shit is the worst. tons of girls do it. they're called collectors. all they're doing is collecting validation.
some of girls next level that shit and they're getting guys to take them to dinner every night of the week to hit the best restaurants while they pay for nothing.
in the first, maybe second round of messages, if they don't agree to drinks and give you their number, hard next. they're probably just collecting.
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I agree with the sentiment. In our society, we're allowed to talk about our turn-ons & turn-offs like they're an absolute. And by we, I really mean women. If you've ever heard a woman excoriate to her friends some guy she met who had some behavior or quirk she didn't like, then you've heard it.
Well here's my turn-off: I don't like women who have slept with lots of guys. More partners cheapen a woman and lowers her value. This is a totally unacceptable turn-off to have because we've invested too much in liberating women from their traditional roles. We can't go back now & say that things like birth control and the sexual revolution may not have benefited society.
I would gladly commit to a woman if I could trust her to be kind, submissive, and faithful, who went into marriage without an escape plan. In other words, a woman of my grandma's generation. But those girls just don't exist anymore.
The one response to this seems to be 'Well you can get your rocks off if you know what you're doing.' That might be true, but I want the other thing more, and nobody can have it all. Women can't ride the CC until she hits the wall and still expect to settle with an ideal partner. Men can't plate for years and hope to find a unicorn eventually. It just isn't going to happen.
So I'm stuck too, brother. MGTOW's a nice idea, but it's a dead end. Not having kids is no way to build a future. I suspect there's something we've overlooked in this anthropological catastrophe.
aanarchist 8y ago
just build your wealth and buy a surrogate or a foreign bride when you're ready and have accomplished a lot of whatever it is you've wanted out of life. either way most guys just stopped giving a fuck, and rightfully so. there's no benefit out of it, none at all. society is a collective cesspool of degenerates and it's a waste of a human life to shoulder the world's burdens. i don't play the plate game and am very open to finding a quality woman to partner up with someday, but it just isn't happening unless some miracle happens.
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SolarPoweredSauna 8y ago
For all the talk of AWALT, Hypergamy, and entitlement, there is very little discussion about how these are tendencies and not inevitabilities. Some women have been raised since birth to suppress and control these urges.
You just have to be discerning and learn to screen for women who are loyal, supportive, and dedicated to their man.
howard333 8y ago
Secular society, rejection of traditional culture, synthetic corporate suggogates for every experience, low birthrates, all connected. People are shaped by their environment. Tinderellas are as natural as cancer from nuclear fallout.
SolarPoweredSauna 8y ago
So look for women who are not living in a secular society and haven't rejected traditional culture. They are out there.
No one in my wife's family has ever been divorced. And she is from a very large, close knit family. Are you telling me that she wouldn't face social consequences if she were to divorce? She absolutely would.
howard333 8y ago
I'm agreeing with you. You are a blessed man.
SolarPoweredSauna 8y ago
Do you have any thoughts on why we are so quick to discuss the risks associated with marrying the wrong woman but so hesitant to discuss how to identify the right woman?
nightshadez94 8y ago
Suppose that 5% of the women in this planet are the "right women" or NAWALTs (and that's an exaggeration), I sure as hell won't circle the globe looking for them. I won't bother discussing anything about them because they are too rare to even find.
howard333 8y ago
I'm not sure. Fear of none existing?
SolarPoweredSauna 8y ago
That's like an unemployed person complaining about a lack of decent jobs while refusing to engage in a proper job search.
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Emxif 8y ago
Have you ever considered the problem isn't the system and it's you?
The system isn't perfect, but it's far from hopeless. I do fine and I know many others who get along as well. Stop blaming others for your own shortcomings.
Consider getting therapy. Game and lifting is NOT going to help you.
kremer5 8y ago
sounds like frustration to me. just cause you're losing, doesn't mean you should quit. get through it bro
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savedarticles 8y ago
A man can't even express healthy anger without some fucking troll telling him not to go 'full elliot roger'. Nice. Look, you are probably not doing it intentionally, but this type of rhetoric (commonly used against us) is a cancer in the manosphere. Don't let it come from our own ranks.
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savedarticles 8y ago
hopefully by then you'll have more wisdom.. haha. Men speak differently then women. They tend to exaggerate and use harsh language but it's all perfectly safe. it's the state and women that have been forcefully trying to change men's innate style of communication and make them women like.
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esayer 8y ago
You seriously sound like you feel sorry for him after he killed a bunch of people.
WidmerBeer 8y ago
Don't go full blown Elliot Roger. You're quite angry and we can see that, however peace comes from within. You already have the knowledge of the environment that surrounds you, now you just have to take the path you wish to find what you're looking for. I know it's easier said than done, but that's all that can be said and the only one who can put a plan into action to redirect your views for a happy life is yourself.
sp0radic 8y ago
Came for the anger, stayed for the surprising density of content within this paragragh.
You are responsible for your own happiness. The more you rely on people and things for your happiness, the more you have to lose. It is already lost.
There is no point, and reality is what you make it. So why not give it a point? And since you've acknowledged you make your reality, get to work. TRP is a set of tools that allows men to do whatever they want with them. While anger can be useful, don't hold on too tightly.
trp_angry_dwarf 8y ago
Had to stop reading here for a few minutes so I could have a good laugh.
That Steinbeck quote is genius! Sums up 'murkins perfectly.
As to the rest... Move. Go somewhere else. Try New Zealand.
Jax77789 8y ago
No offense mate but if you feel the need to peacock it means you have yet to internalize that YOU are the prize.
Bosco888888 8y ago
Well the marketplace disagrees. You can delude yourself into thinking you are the prize all you like but if nobody wants it then I'm afraid you're a shitty prize.
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It's all true. A sad fact that TRP hides from is that not all men can be successful alphas. That being said, what should one do who finds himself in that position? I believe self improvement holds intrinsic value, so when I work to build a better body, or advance my career, I am doing it to become a better person, not just to fuck bitches.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Who chose the timing?
You do... you approached based on your own interest at the moment the urge struck.
But she was distracted.
That's the true error... you didn't read the situation correctly.
Now let's imagine you did this differently. Let's imagine you simply realized her mind was off in fantasy land and you simply ignored her. Ten minutes later she has decided there is nothing on the phone to look at as all the drug effect of seeking has run out and she didn't find anything.
Now she is bored.
Okay, well, now is when you swoop in and lead her in your dance of conversation where you lead and she follows she actually likes it.
Things start to go well... this lost puppy is now following you.
Rather that playing the fool you become the master... but it all has to do with skilled Game.
Timing is everything and in some situations you just don't get a clean shot.
Approaching should be done when your intuition says it's the right time.
Sometimes you are better off seeking other targets.
savedarticles 8y ago
"There is an epidemic of gold digging whores out there, and no one is talking about it." -Bill Burr
We're talking about it here!
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"Not everyone can be at the top, so don't even try"
I'm pretty much mgtow myself at the moment but you're a damn pussy OP
Il128 8y ago
Up your game bro. I slay the pussy. Just be who she wants you to be for one night, then fuck her, forget her, and move on.
Try practicing your game on 5-6hb before trying for the 7-9HB.
The__Tren__Train 8y ago
Any more salt and guys will want to race their concept cars on you bro damn..
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On some days, I can totally relate. It can be tough, and at least you're setting standards for yourself.
I imagine you'd be able to court a landwhale or two if it wasn't for self esteem?
I decided to not prioritise flashing my plumage to women and focus on inner contentment. It's a lot more consistent that way.
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kinkade 8y ago
If you read the side bar you'll realise that this 'anger phase' is part of the grieving process for the idealised woman he was brought up to expect. Obviously it sounds pretty harsh but then this guy is living the death of his lifelong relationship dreams right now so it's a pretty intense time.
Later on when you come to terms with everything you realise that the problem is not the woman, it's the illusion we were fed and led to expect, most longtime RP's are very comfortable with women doing whats best for them, why shouldn't they after all.
The main thrust of the red pill is that men need to open their eyes and realise that the world of love is much more practical and much less idealistic then we had imagined it. And you know what that is fine, once you come to terms with it, so many things make sense that never made sense before and you feel much more in charge of your life and loves.
I've found that most post here fit into one of the following categories (you may be able to spot which one applies to this post)
To be honest, whilst the process is definitely painful and unpleasant most woman should be glad that they no longer have unreasonable expectations of perfection from guys anymore, whether they are or not well thats their own business.
AceofRains 8y ago
If you want to opt out and go off grid, you need to play the game grid exceptionally well first or you will fail. Make it happen. That is all.
5t3fan0 8y ago
i think you should visit another culture thats not "western" (so no us, no canada, no rich europe, no australia etc)
THE WORLD IS BIG AND LIFE IS ONE south america, africa, asia... you might find better and more stimulating females here, some that you could relate and maybe interact happily with
(also even if you dont find them nice pussies, the world is vast and colorful and you will not see it when you're old, so you should now)
WhyNotJustEnjoyLife 8y ago
I live in Marrakesh ... AWALT still applies and the wheels of the hamster still spin very fast just in moroccan this time not in english. But yeah I do recommend travelling, life here in Marrakesh is so much fun.
5t3fan0 8y ago
yep that's why i said he "might" ahah
i hope in the near future i can travel around your country with a motorcycle (im from italy)
AnInstant 8y ago
Bro u misunderstood some things so maybe I'll make it more clear for you:
Of course most women aren't worth it. Fuck it. I just simply don't care, if any woman mistreat me i just smile and go away, find one who's fine and that's it. You seem to care too much.
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ArkAngelEV 8y ago
This person gets it . read and learn people
AbramCohen 8y ago
This is all because of the enfranchisement of women. In a healthy society, a young woman would be married off to a young man by her father. Likewise, there were punishments for promiscuity. These are the only two things that can fix the plight of the modern man.
RMK24 8y ago
I've never been in the anger phase, and hopefully wont be because I have just accepted that being alone is better for me and I am comfortable that way too. Plus relationships are too much to deal with and i dont want to get married or have kids. If I ever decide to pursue women, they would have to be foreign and not from the U.S. but AWALT.
Edit: If you're trying to improve yourself for others, then you're missing the point.
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metallica11 8y ago
The problem is that even if you tell yourself at face value "I can live a satisfactory life without this need met", you would by lying to yourself. As long as you are furthering your goals, You are going to become more confident and more sure of yourself, meeting more people, increasing your testosterone via lifting - all this is only going to magnify your need to want to fuck women.
But sometimes, meeting those goals and becoming confident does not translate into more success with women. Call me a deviant here, but people around here overrate the effectiveness of increasing certain aspects of SMV, and underrate others. For example, going from 5/10 to 7/10 looks wise is going to be far far far more effective than going from making 35,000 a year to 150,000 year. Why? Because your wealth only matters if it is manifested somehow in outward status and most people aren't going to be driving porches and living in upscale condos at 150,000 year. You typically need 250,000+ to accomplish that. You may THINK that you have higher SMV from your accomplishments, but if you go from a 5'7" small framed indian making 35,000 a year dressing in cloose clothes to 5'7" small framed indian making 175,000 a year wearing nice clothes, you are likely not going to see a difference. Whereas your friend who is 6'2" and makes 35,000 a year who loses weight and reveals a nice frame, chiseled jaw underneath is bodyfat is going to get WAY more attention than before even if all he did was lift for 6 months
This is why I personally advocate men to maximize their looks first, as long as they can socialize normally. If successfully, it will do most of the work for you - all you have to do is learn how to recognize the signal of attraction, lead, and escalate.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
Nature programs really bring it all home for me.
We're fucking animals. Women want to fuck the biggest strongest most dominant alpha male. Everything they do reflects this.
But omg we're not animals anymore how could the 2 billion years of being alive and seeking the best DNA still affect women?
aanarchist 8y ago
they didn't evolve logic and rational thought like men did. women evolved duplicity etc, ways to manipulate men. men evolved strength, conviction, cooperation, things that kept us alive since no one will take care of us the way women get taken care of.
[deleted] 8y ago
With the way you are now,your more fit to be MGTOW.And that's ok,nothing wrong with that especially since escorts are available.(To be exact,i'm MGTOW myself but i still frequent this sub more because of Protopill,Uncle Vasi & other Corporate-related stuff since both MGTOWs+TRPs can use em.)
Your leagues more awesome than a beta cuck if your MGTOW.
That said,now that you know how bs it is,either learn the game about exploting the peacock dance(TRP),or just say screw you all,i have escorts +alot of cash to do whatever the fuck i want(MGTOW).
Both paths are awesome.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
I remember when peacock dance meant seduction, TRP meant self improvement. I would very much like to see it return to that, since the notion of peacocking = sex doesn't mean much without very strong inner game, which OP is utterly lacking.
profHoneybee 8y ago
It isn't enough to get you validation from women, but surely those things are all good ends in themselves? I think if you internalize this fact, it would also affect how women perceive you. You can't underestimate how women instinctively know when they've got power over you, and when they do it affects their attraction.
Benny757 8y ago
Now we're getting somewhere. I appreciate your honesty. One tenant of Red Pill I learned awhile ago is that we must first be completely comfortable being alone. Until we can be, we will not find happiness with women. Period. Men, time to go your own way.
MGTOW_player 8y ago
Being in the US for a young man who lifts is perpetual flirtation with "anger" due to the fucked up nature of the Western, particularly American, woman. Realize it is the worst place for pussy in the world, except for maybe Saudi. Haven't been there yet. And this is coming from a dude who slayed dozens of hot bitches through college and thereafter, with a few intense LTRs with the baddest bitches.
If you can, try to get a job in the southern US and make regular road trips/flights to Mexico. Or try to expat somewhere else.
If you have a high sex drive and are busy with work/school then you will have to learn to cope or leave to greener pastures. Living in places with legal/tolerated p4p changes the game considerably, especially for unattached "attractive" men making good money and a healthy attitude towards women (bitches ain't shit).
Keep working hard on yourself and try to travel if you get the means. Living abroad is even better, depending on your personality. Life is hard as is, and the overwhelmingly gynocentric nature of the US makes it near impossible to deal with at times. Not just for getting pussy, but the beliefs of the people in general. Good luck my friend.
Knowmadik 8y ago
Anger phase, and that's ok brother. You've got to figure out what's best for you. Might be that you're inclined to go MGTOW, to each their own. If you can't be alpha, at least don't be beta.
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So now that you're no longer "angry", you can accept your worthlessness and how you have to invest sooo much time working on yourself just for a chance at a vagina whilst women bat you aside like you are garbage. You sound like a monkey that has accepted it's lower status in society rather than somebody I'd like to meet that wishes to rise above the bullshit. Keep humiliating yourself you weak little peon.
poclitically_corekt 8y ago
The irony of your "illusion destroyer" username combined with this post is too much for me.
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hb8only 8y ago
well, let me tell you a secret - even chad, who is fucking a lot of hot girls, cannot relate his happyness on them - it is basic bluepill mistake.
you must find emotional fulfillness in something else as women because you will always lose if you try to find it in women.
DarkuSchneider 8y ago
I read your rant and I had the same feelings once too. Once I saw the truth burning Rome to the ground was a natural reaction as is yours. You now see a truth behind genuine IDGAF vs acting. Your old paradigm was dying which is where the anger phase usually comes from for some not saying you specifically. If you read 'No More Mr. Nice Guy' it touches on this truth that is a hangup for what people refer to blue pill men (I hate labels personally but they are functional reference points). You are seeing the raw reality of nature: it is survival of the fittest even in the concrete jungle we have made for ourselves.
No matter man, woman, beast, flora, or fauna you and you alone are solely responsible for your happiness and well being. Yes you need to be happy and productive all alone firstly and have self esteem and know how to care for yourself. If you can not do something even for yourself no one is going to be really convinced you can do it well for another let alone a mate. These 'chads' may or may not be good bets as partners but they have the very visible traits that logic would indicate a capacity to succeed and are self secure characters. Women are not as chaotic as some think, their logic is not the same as a man and science sees the brains are wired differently. The silly nice guy vs jerks frame of thought merely illustrates the natural outcome: the jerk is always the best bet on paper in cold calculated math but it is more than an act they they put on or they are just a PUA. A real woman wants a rock/fixed point in space to help hold them fast during chaotic times instead of having to prop up her mans frail ego that is reliant on external validation to function on top of her own. That is why they are repulsed by weak men and take domineering control of relationships if they are allowed and resent it later. Nature built us a certain way for a reason; men harden - women soften and you are eligible or not to mate depending on the present situation and outlook.
You can go lift weights, get rich, and rock a power suit in a Ferrari but if it is only to get top tier pussy typically you end up being a jaded spinster of sorts yourself who still may get divorced raped or cucked eventually or a very lonely rich man who still turns off even the greediest gold digger sans top tier hookers. Both never always find the happiness they desired in the end which is not always marriage and kids. If your dream is to be the most bad ass CEO in this century go for it. Buddhist's have a saying: Desire is a path of pain. Nothing worth attaining comes easy. Now days some people can't feel happy unless they get that phone they 'need' and are miserable until they get it until buyers remorse sets in and the next shiny 'need' distracts them but still never satisfied. You are right that if doing self improvement only to get laid will not be the most productive end for some. That is because the underlying issue is still unsolved; frame of mind and attitude towards life and the stresses it naturally creates. Lifting is more than just getting muscles to look hot it has biological rewards that pay off in other ways like a healthy life to enjoy the fruits of your labors instead of your doctor and the pharmacist getting all that cash. Why do dad bod guys with meh careers, annoying or poor as shit get some HB8+'s to every ones confusion? They have what she really desires nothing more. That spark is a little different for every human but follow general trends often discussed here among the noise of the wounded. Go be a monk a while like I did, discover yourself and pursue what you really want and cultivate your own happiness for you alone. Women will come and go as they will if you are not too busy to allow it eventually that is when you see the 'needy' equation flip. Lift, study, and train your mind so you can be happy with life then decide if women are still worth the trouble from a place of wholeness. Good luck man.
J_AsapGem 8y ago
I feel you bro, been like a year now for me starting to think " anger phase " isn't exactly a phase, no matter how much you Improve yourself this reality will alwAys remain garbage it's hard sometimes to comprehend how messed up this world is, and it's not even worth it, it's just ridiculous
yomo86 8y ago
Dude. You are a jackpot. Ripped. 6-figures. Educated. Read those again. Do you recognize something?
All these attributes are external. You need - and you post is proof of that - I will not say game, but an inner attitude. Be a zen master when it comes to woman or a machiavllian with options.
Is your life really all about some wet hole which cannot control its primal instincts?
The life of a woman is all about hard alpha dick better alpha dick with money.
There is a post on TRP called: be the skittles man. This is the right one for you.
Remember: A woman is the cherry on your cake but damn the cake is still fucking delicious without the cherry.
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PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Yeah I would recommend monk mode time, preferably overseas, for OP as well.
mrust 8y ago
The skittles man refers to an old Roissy post (Chateau Heartiste). Minimal effort for maximal results.
Advice for the OP: get out of the bar scene, put less effort into each individual approach, but do more of them. Filter girls aggressively; you haven't mastered outcome independence.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thank you for the advice. It sounds very reasonable to the position I'm in and I'll try to integrate this advice into my routine.
I agree I'm not outcome independent.
Much appreciated.
ImHereAtLast 8y ago
You sound like you need a hobby, something you're passionate about that has literally nothing to do with women, and ideally something you could do with other similarly-minded men.
Travel. Skydiving. Mountain climbing. Free diving. SCUBA diving. Shooting. Surfing. Sailing. Every single one of these things gets you outside, and is a skill that can be improved upon with your investment of time, effort, and money.
Contrary to what a lot of people in here say, not everyone in the American female population sees themselves as sitting in a leather-bound recliner while they watch a stage full of ridiculously dressed-up men dancing for her amusement. It is true that the more attractive, less intelligent, and less introspective a woman is, the more susceptible she will be to being conditioned through unimaginably high volumes of male attention to adopt this perspective. However, there are women intelligent enough to recognize the pitfalls of allowing oneself to perpetually engage in such ego-feeding behavior. And in my experience, these women are outside, passionately pursuing some of the activities I've listed above.
Take a break. Judging by your post, you need it.
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OP , if this warms you in any way , i agree with you just so you know. The idea is extracting the wisdom and self-improvement from both red pill and mgtow and the manosphere in general , and adapt it to you. Improve for yourself , not for women , stop pursuing them if that's what you wish , i know i did and i'm sure as hell happy without them and realize that life isn't all about getting pussy. You'll be fine.
redolas 8y ago
I understand your rant. I've been there myself. It's not as bad as you think.
It's not the top 10% necessarily. There is no limit that says - well, this guy doesn't have a cool car, so he's out of the 10%, so I'm not going to fuck him. It's not like that. Women have a single metric: hornyness. Does he make me horny? I'll fuck him. He doesn't? Well, bye then. That's the only thing that matters. (Well, and logistics and social stigma, but that's not the point here)
Look at it this way. Even guys all mostly want to fuck the top 10% - most of us would never say no to a HB10. Imagine that girls would learn that, and they would all hit the gym. They become all hot. Would you stop fucking them? Hell no, you'd fuck till you drop.
Let's say they drop you on an island with all HB10s. There is no fatties, no uglies. What will you do? Well, you'd fuck them all. You would have preferences, for the girls that can entertain you in some other way, but you'd still fuck any of them, because any of them make you horny.
Now, if there would be a few HB10s, HB9s and HB8s that all want you ... what would you do? You'd fuck all of them, because they all make you horny. But you wouldn't fuck the 2-3-4-5-6s simply because they don't make you horny and you're busy with the HB8-10s.
What if the HB2-6s decide to lose weight and become more attractive and they enter the HB8-10 pool?! Well, now you'd fuck them. It doesn't mean they have a guarantee of your dick, but they're not cut off from it either.
Now, in the real world, more attractive people will amount to more fucking. Fucking is not a finite number. It's not like you have to shove somebody out of the line and get in front of him. There are thousands, maybe millions of hot girls out there right now masturbating just because they couldn't find a guy who would fuck them tonight. They dream about a guy who would give them orgasms. You could fill that gap. All you have to do is get your SMV up, and learn how to game them into your bed.
And then, if companionship is what you're after, well, get a friend. A guy friend. Or a dog.
huge_gap 8y ago
The world is hard. Nothing is easy. Yes, things may have been better in the past. Man the fuck up. Yes, most women are shitlords. I went through a good dozen before I found a great one.
Suprise. It's like life: nothing is given easily and you actually have to work hard to achieve something of value.
Once you're done feeling sorry for yourself then make a plan for becoming the best version of yourself.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
Yup. Men are the experimental gender. If you're not top 20% at something, then you're out.
Happily every man can be top 20% at something because there are more than 5 different things to be good at you fucktards. Quit whining and go be awesome. There is no place in the world for weak and lazy men.
This is why you work hard on yourself, you get yourself options. You don't just hand your awesome self to her on a platter to use and discard s she sees fit. You just never give her that much power or control. They don't respect it anyway, we've learned that much.
spicy_fries 8y ago
Lol. Yeah. It never stops. Even the bitches you don't want to fuck are constantly judging you (useless HR Departments) while screeching "Don't ever shame me!" (judge me).
They can dish it out all day, judge them once and the hamster freaks the fuck out.
Women don't want a guy "who could win". They want a winner.
Bill Burr had great bit about this. Women just stand at the finish line and ever guy that passes by, "I'll suck your dick. I'll suck your dick."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXUtGIWy0yQ
lol love it.
[deleted] 8y ago
i agree with you. roosh wrote very similar thing some time ago
http://www.rooshv.com/men-are-nothing-more-than-clowns-to-the-modern-woman
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This is why I have no patience for Roosh.
Look at how that is framed. Femcentric. This is a womans perspective, doesn't it make you mad guys?
Why not take the malecentric one? Most women think you are a clown, most men probably are. None of this is in your scope, and if it is, you better monk your ass out and step up a rung.
Yeah, he was great to learn game from, but fuck, life lessons are not where his strength lies... You're better off with a Mark Manson type narrative
[deleted] 8y ago
TRP itself still focuses all too much on women. Men should ignore women completely and build their life up instead, if they want to preserve their dignity. Getting rejected even once should be an absolute insult. Do you think a billionaire, actor or dictator would just take that shit? Too much beta garbage on here clowning around for a pussy hole. If you're not an alpha that gets courted by women and not the other way around then you are still truly a little BP beta faggit in my book. Spend your time building something greater. Then focus on pussy when it fights for your attention when you're top dog.
babayega 8y ago
I agree with you but that's kinda the point of the sub. Maybe we should start our own TRP sub that focuses more on male happiness rather than getting women specifically. Maybe MGTOW is closer to that?
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
Even the top guys get rejected, but anyway people are rejected from things all the time. Jobs, loans, invitations out. Are you saying you can't handle some rejection? Just brush it off and keep moving. Even tucker max went home with his hand sometimes pre-what he is now. So how are you going to get into that top group? Plus it depends on your age.
slay_it_forward 8y ago
Focuses too much on women? That's point of the sub....
Outline how you see things happening. You get up in some corporate job then women start throwing themselves at you?
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
That's what TRP did focus on up until super recently when the influx of new members showed up.
aiguo888 8y ago
That only works if you have a lot of professional interaction with women.
Otherwise the most any guy gets is IOIs if he isn't a rockstar, but I'm not from the US so women might be more aggressively pursuing chads there.
savedarticles 8y ago
problem is there is only so many spots at the top. there is not enough to go around. The vast majority of men will not get there. so your solution won't work for 139k of the current 140k subscribers to this sub. all they can do is train and alpha up to get a little more pussy then they do now. if they wait until pussy comes to them, they'll be waiting their whole lives.
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Lo-G 8y ago
If you're on TRP you're probably already doing better than 80-90% of guys out there though.
new_alpha 8y ago
The objective of men's life is to reproduce and try to get as much hot women they can get. It's testosterone, it's running in your veins, and no matter how much you tell yourself that you just don't care about girls anymore it's still going to piss you off because you want that hot ass that just walked past you. So you keep trying, trying and trying until you die, because it is in your veins and you can't get rid of it.
That's the reality for us men, we are caged in a constant fight for pussy, I don't even say validation but pussy, sex. We cannot simply accept it and just ignore women and live without sex.
[deleted] 8y ago
speak for yourself. a Modern mans objective is freedom. Freedom comes with abundance and options. Pussy is part of that, but it's not THE part of it.
Your attitude is weak. Mine was too back when I wasn't getting laid. After you get a dozen under your belt, perspectives change. it's good by 48 law measures (disdain what you cannot have)
but I don't think it's helpful
savedarticles 8y ago
as you get older T drops and you start thinking better and more rationally. I'd like to think we can be more than our sex drives. Great men have been able to subdue it.
bobbyfitness22 8y ago
A lot of great men were complete pussy hounds
WhySoRuff 8y ago
True, but their are also great men who have been great without subduing it.
Bocaj6487 8y ago
I would counter and say that the great men through history utilized their testosterone to change the world, as opposed to build a family. That was the whole idea behind the bachelor's degree.
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After turning 40 I viewed most relationships as not worth it simply because my time was more valuable spent on my own pursuits, even if there was no other cost. Even a carrot dangled in front of my face has little appeal. Some younger men can't imagine that sexual motivation can vanish. That you are only held hostage by these drives for a limited time. If you break free early, you could achieve amazing things by using the energy for something else.
[deleted] 8y ago
I hear you. Now that I'm well into my thirties I just can't be bothered to go out anywhere near as much. And I'm constantly sickened by the horde of low quality omega women. Divorced and full of hate for their old beta, with a bunch of kids they are towing along, and never better than an HB6 anyway. But they still act like they are a prime steak. It's fucking ridiculous.
SerKevanLannister 8y ago
Yeah, age is actually wonderful. I may get comments but I am very happily married (it has been almost fifteen years now, we are both Ph.D.s, and we don't have children -- by mutual choice -- we travel when we like, have loud sex without worries of idiot children wandering in, stay in bed all day if we feel like it, etc). I am in my forties, and I thank the stars that I don't have to go to bars or do tinder or deal with the crap the young guys are encountering. I can't stand being around drunk women anyway so if say I was left a widower I would never be looking in bars for women. I met my wife in grad school; the only solid relationships I know are very similar (spouses met in grad school, law school, med school, business school, or at company events or academic conferences)
new_alpha 8y ago
Yeah and with t dropping there comes depression, weight gain and other problems. It's not something good
savoryprunes 8y ago
I'm 38 and I've found that symptoms of depression have been steadily decreasing for me over the past few years. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I'm certain that the waning sexual frustration plays a huge role in my improving mood.
savedarticles 8y ago
that's a good point. I'm thinking of TRT but I feel like I'd lose the clarity of mind and freedom from sex drive. But, the weight gain and lethargy without it is another problem in itself. Hard trade off.
BFMCBeaner 8y ago
after 36 I hit andropause. I was moody, crabby as fuck, always had a brain fog and my gained weight even though I worked out. I lost strength in my sets. My ex-wife said it was getting hard to live with.
I went on TRT at 37, 5 years ago and immediately felt a million times better. In my 40's and back to kicking ass like when I was a hard dick soldier back in the Army.
savedarticles 8y ago
hmm, that's basically where I am. Was it hard to get TRT? Kinda feeling like shit lately and it lines up with your timeline.
BFMCBeaner 8y ago
No, my family doc pulled blood to check my T levels. After that we pulled more to check more in depth hormone panels and wrote a script for T therapy.
The good thing is my doc is a flight surgeon and specializes in endocrine systems is a trained in BioTe outpatient surgery. I get T pellets and inserted in muscle for timed release every 4 to 6 months (depending on how much you work out. More active you are the faster the schedule)
mirceamrc1 8y ago
I'd rather lose my clarity of mind but gain the gains of Brodin.
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[deleted] 8y ago
You, you you you him, her him her him.
No what I don't see? I, me, action
I assume you're still a kid, because only children and women complain this much that the worlds out to get them, this shit isn't hard. Go work out, build a good body, learn to be somewhat interesting in a conversation, don't fuck up at your job and actually be valuable to other people.
these aren't insurmountable hurdles. You may not get Wilt Chamberlain numbers, but you'll get a few dozen, and a little abundance.
Now stop being a baby
NAmember81 8y ago
You should post this to the MGTOW sub. However, you'll just be preaching to the choir there.
savedarticles 8y ago
yeah, I was going to reply, 'welcome to mgtow!' lol.
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great_just_graet 8y ago
Haha and then you did haha Lol hahah
[deleted] 8y ago
Hit the nail on the head. Nothing wrong with MGTOW if that's how you feel, although I'd suggest getting past the anger phase before deciding.
RUSTY_LEMONADE 8y ago
Everyone there is stuck in the anger phase, as is OP and myself. I can't find a way out and I don't know if it's worth the effort. Some people are blind or retarded or paralyzed. I'm just lonely. It could be way worse.
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[deleted] 8y ago
We welcome you with open arms, we all dropped out of the pussy race a while ago.
CaptainObivous 8y ago
Some of you dropped out, but the vast majority over there are just one good blowjob away from renouncing all their MGTOW ways. The sheer amount of denial on that sub is ludicrous.
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Don't get me wrong, I still partake occasionally but I definitely don't put very much effort into it.
csehszlovakze 8y ago
the vast majority? I don't think so. even as some of those guys have since "distanced themselves" from the label and came here instead...
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The anger phase is strong with this one. I'm perpetually in and out of anger phase myself and I don't think I'll ever leave it, those guys going on how they have become zen and accepted how things are they are simply admitting defeat to the feminist imperative. It's like being told you are going to eat a shit sandwich no matter what. Most of us would be pissed at that idea and then you have those guys telling you to accept and make peace with it because it's gonna happen. Nah. I'll stay pissed about the deal.
I'll admit TRP has taught me to be a happier more productive man in this world we live in today and to ignore the lies and BS from women and feminist propaganda. Before TRP I was already seeing through the liberal leftist BS.
Now this part, it's not a lie you can better yourself. You can better yourself. Me, I'm likely going to have money issues the rest of my life. I see posts here about guys saying 'you can get 100k if you wanted to' no I call BS, if anyone can get it through hard work and want then lots more people would already be there. I would like to be there, oh yeah, but I'm not going to bullshit myself and say it WILL happen. But I did get in better shape, I did learn about female psychology and evolved social quirks women have, and I did obtain lots of sex with minimal effort which was one of my initial goals when I first came to TRP. I know now what women are about and that they are not worth near as much in reality as Bluepill indoctrination led me to originally believe. I now prioritize other more important things in life and don't have to give a damn about women anymore. I satisfy my sexual needs and don't have one in my home latching me down trying to take resources or time from me. A few have tried but it's not working anyway. How is that not improvement compared to being a mid-20's virgin?
One thing about this rat race overall is even if I don't make that 100k a year barrier I'm going to try. I hunt a lot. Lots of times on animals you have to finish off will give up when badly wounded when they could continue to struggle. This is very predominant in prey species. Feral cats can have their guts everywhere from a fight with a bobcat and still claw at your boots, prey animals though when wounded lay down and sit there until they go to sleep. It's a sobering thing to witness. I do not want to be prey. If there is fight I'll still try. Life is more valuable than to just give up. If you want to go MGTOW OP then do your thing, become a hermit or whatever makes you happy and focus on that. The only person you have to please is yourself, so go for it.
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"You have a class of young strong men and women, and they want to give their lives to something. Advertising has these people chasing cars and clothes they don't need. Generations have been working in jobs they hate, just so they can buy what they don't really need." ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club
I went to the mall the other day. I walked past men sitting on the leather couches in front of Nordstrom, staring vapidly into the distance while women spent their paychecks within. Here, truly, is where a man goes to die.
[deleted] 8y ago
Why? If it's inevitable then there is no need to be angry. You are just creating stress.
snacks_on_a_plane 8y ago
It does not have to be stressful anger like the post by OP (although there are episodes of it). It becomes more of a focused, cold-blooded, tempered, steely resolve; to never accept the deal, to keep fighting for a better life, to be better than what the world tries to force you to be.
flat6turbo 8y ago
rolling my fucking eyes so hard.
easiest way to 100k is to learn how to program computers. this industry literally pays sperglord virgin omegas, the most pathetic and undesireable of all men six figures, all just because they can type symbols into a screen in the correct order.
but guess what? it's really hard, and requires dedication and sacrifice. so i guess you won't be doing it, then.
dear_glob_why 8y ago
Can confirm, am sperglord omega making 140k developing websites
edit: To actually touch on this topic, it's interesting how the field is so full of sperglords. The sacrifice you speak of is mostly in the realm of social life/skills. I spent way too much of my high school years on a computer. I'm years ahead of my colleagues and I am now a team lead at the age most people are graduating college, but at what cost? I now need to visit a subreddit dedicated to pulling bullshit out of my brain like rotten teeth and figure out how not to look at the ground and mumble when talking to a woman.
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I wasn't much of the social type but one thing that helped me was learning a bit about Daoism and Asian Philosophies in general. The ways of going with the flow and yin/yang helped me in conversations. A friend would mention bagels and then I would think about the bagel and describe it's taste then we'd end up in this conversational tangent talking about discussing soccer. This helped me alot in having a conversation with a woman since they describe they're days from things that happened to them (memory), then during that memory another one might say it reminds them of a time with something similar to it with a certain difference and a tangent would develop from it.
[deleted] 8y ago
Hey there, what sort of languages do you like to develop in?
I've developed websites a fair amount, but currently I'm attempting to teach myself assembly and transition to a more security centric role.
Congratulations on the decent salary, it's nice to know that all that time spent indoors might be worth it.
camenossaber 8y ago
I want to break into the industry so bad, and have been self teaching, alongside full time work, for a year... but I'm having major imposter syndrome. Suggestions on things to build that will be good for jr dev roles? (JavaScript, node, react/native, mongo, MySQL etc)
dear_glob_why 8y ago
Look at the city you want to work in, then look on meetup to see what the community there is most interested in. Javascript is highly lucrative and in-demand on the west coast, but keep in mind that it is incredibly stressful - lots of self-teaching outside of work to stay on top of everything.
Tech is the easy part though. Find yourself a good gig where the developers are heavily entrenched with the business. Lots of devs shy away from places like this because there's more time spent in meetings than actually at your desk working, but I argue that a job that heavily entrenches you in office politics is the faster track to a CTO role than being a lone codemonkey. Get your hands dirty, draw some blood every now and then, and crack some skulls - infinitely more valuable experience to gain for your career then sitting around writing code all day.
As for breaking into the industry, work on personal projects. It's infinitely more useful to your personal development as well as infinitely more interesting to recruiters to see actual complete and useful projects you've built. Interviewers love to ask questions about interesting projects. Start small and develop a personal style/workflow that fits your strengths. I'm fond of web development for this reason - it's way easier to break into the industry by building a couple useful websites, learning html, css, javascript, node, react, etc etc in the process, then say the aerospace industry. Tons of work to be done in ecommerce and consulting.
Just through networking, I'm sustaining enough contract work on the side to effectively pad an extra 20-80k on my salary depending on how much I feel like working. I'm also padding two others' as subcontractors and learning how to be an entrepreneur, manager, and boss all before I'm 25 years old. The sky's the limit. Good luck!
kappy_the_kike 8y ago
if i had the skills you did and wanted to be alpha, id start lifting and move into quant finance and make the big shekels. tech is cool but you're in a negative environment all the time. SJW, feminists, homosexuals and low value men who are only there for their skills.
dear_glob_why 8y ago
Honestly I'm happy with the amount of shekels I have at this point - part of me swallowing the pill has been realizing the need for me to work less and spend more time doing what makes me happy.
Lifting and motorcycles - those two can transform any man's life.
flat6turbo 8y ago
story checks out - has programming pun in username, that pretty much says it all folks.
dear_glob_why 8y ago
Hah! Good catch.
Another note about the industry is that the feminist narrative is so deeply embroiled in these folks that they actively shame alpha men who program. They're called brogrammers and I always hear it as a slur against guys who left the company to go work at way better companies. Slanderous jealousy from men is pathetic and extremely woman-like.
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Yeah but unfortunately it's a things that happens in all our professional lives, these guys wouldn't qualify as men but are acting more like boys.
[deleted] 8y ago
Being a douchebro ass so you can pretend to be alpha? Dude re-read my post before going all crazy over a few sentences you obviously misread or skipped over entirely, especially the end of my post.
aazav 8y ago
Yeah, I'm just not going to feed the ego of American women.
I remember dating chicks in Dallas and it's all divorced chicks who act like they are still in high school.
That mindset is just poison.
There's a reason I don't go back to high school, it's because I am past it.
user_none 8y ago
I was born and raised in Dallas, then moved away when I was 37. I know all too well of what you write. Party, party, club, club, shop, shop.
aazav 8y ago
Just like a lightly religious version of LA, but with different plastic surgeons.
user_none 8y ago
Dude, I've been saying for years that Dallas is the central US equivalent of LA. Someone else sees it!
savedarticles 8y ago
Mgtow is not about becoming a hermit though some choose to ghost entirely. most don't though. mgtow is the next logical step after taking the redpill. it's the logical conclusion.
yaysmr 8y ago
Only if you don't see improving/fixing the social problems identified in the OP as a worthy goal.
cariboo_j 8y ago
It's worthy, just not realistic.
ShitSandwichOfficial 8y ago
Glad I have your vote in 2016!
oxicide 8y ago
What is your connection to turd sandwich, did turd lose to giant douche?
DiverseFolk 8y ago
But how? TRP is so vast; where do I start my reading here?
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TRP sidebar talks about a few socio-evolutionary traits women have like hypergamy and solipsism and likely reasons behind them. Once TRP opens your eyes though you must go out there and see. Post-TRP I watch how women act and don't listen to what they say and seeing that gives me even more insight in how they are. Personal experience is very important, you can read TRP for years but without going out there and applying it you won't get far.
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yeah, it's not as if you'll be brad pitt, but unless you're fucking hideous lifting and diet will render you a pretty attractive individual and give you a huge leg up on others. Basic grooming as well. I don't think anyone here has said that you'll be the 1 percent of the 1 percent or anything, it's just a matter of maximizing your sexual attractiveness and potential
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DRHipsterFaggot 8y ago
I think he means more that most men can't improve their way to top 10% due to genetic or otherwise unchangeable limitations of theirs. You could for example go out and get ripped but women aren't gonna want the ripped dude who is also really short and has a fucked face or whatever.
Also, I find it very surprising that you want to argue that one can better himself, but then you go on to claim that you can never make 100k no matter what. In my opinion, this is one of the most practical goals anyone can work towards. What is stopping you from working some part time job to cut the bills while studying a trade in tech/engineering or starting a small online business?
PostingIsFutile 8y ago
Short women don't look down on short men (pun intended). Just so long as he's taller than her.
[deleted] 8y ago
Can you read? I never said that. I said it's unlikely for me due to specific life circumstances but I will still try. Re-read that entire post a little more closely before responding about it.
Imightbeflirting 8y ago
Yeah they will. If you spit game and your other strengths are top? They'll overlook that shit in favor of status.
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Great comment man. Some of the lads in here are on the same ride with the money and the improvement and it's a good contrast to read from those who are in the middle of the group.
PostingIsFutile 8y ago
A lot of people make 100k, then blow it all and more. You don't have to make that much to end up better off than they are, you just need to learn to live below your means. Very easy to do without a woman currently in your life.
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This is exactly what I am doing with my life right now. As a guy living without a woman my expenses are way below the 'norm' for couples and guys with live-in girlfriends or wives. A few of the douchebros came out with the whole 'anyone can do it you're just too lazy' attitude against me and again those guys are sounding fucking stupid, if everyone could reach 100k just by working hard and actually wanting it then lots more people would be there. I work hard. I try. I'm not there yet but I will keep trying. I honestly think these douchebros that go around shaming had a bit of luck help to get them where they are and they are mislabeling that as their own skill and prowess looking at the way some of them act.
An important thing, you can live well below 100k with a home, good food, and entertainment. It doesn't mean you are driving a fancy car but a sports car is not out of reach within a couple years of work and savings if you really want one. I'm just calling the 100k barrier a goal because the way I live that would go very far in giving me an early retirement with several options to keep earning without having to work.
spicy_fries 8y ago
Yeah totally! I've had friends tell me "don't anger phase."
God damn it motherfucker. If someone is trying to shove a dick up my ass, I'm not just gonna bend over and not anger about it.
killking72 8y ago
I'm going to have to use that saying along with "Equality Equals Patriarchy. Hail Anita"
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Schrodingersdawg 8y ago
Is going back to monk mode a state of learned helplessness?
No success -> lift -> still no success -> lift more, etc.
Strike48 8y ago
I don't believe so because the general idea of monk mode is essentially becoming better even if you're not out there in the battlefield. You're still studying and learning. Learning is not learned helplessness because you're still attempting to find your path. Learned helplessness would be you laying in your bed refusing to get better at anything due to past failures or uncomfortable scenarios that may have occurred to you. Essentially giving up because you don't believe that there is anything in your power to change your future outcome.
PostingIsFutile 8y ago
Interestingly, it was the more intelligent animals (dogs, I believe) which would learn helplessness. The less intelligent ones just kept trying to get out and eventually succeeded.
Intelligence is less useful than one might think.
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Strike48 8y ago
Yeah it was dogs. The thing about intelligence is that it's an amazing thing, but one needs to understand that not everything in life needs to be overanalyzed or over complicated by mental processes. You see it a lot with new guys. They overdo the social anxiety by over thinking it and over planning. Overanalyzing then leads to failure of action. Best to just accept the anxiety, blank through and move in. Let the natural instincts take care of the talking.
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Exactly my thoughts, I'm trying to get rid of the overanalyzing and do more of the instincts.
Strike48 8y ago
Practice makes a master. I guarantee you that you will get some analyzation for years to come, but the more you do it the smaller that those little voices get. Eventually, you become so confident in your approach that you know your instincts are nothing to laugh at. In fact, you now prefer your instincts to do the work because you know and trust that they are the one who will make you come off smooth as hell. This is the point at when you start to feel extremely free. You're still nervous, but you trust your instincts to do well by you. That is what I see confidence as. Some people will tell you that confidence is simply just not fearing it. To me, confidence is having some fear like a logical human, but proceeding regardless because you've recognized and acknowledged your ability. You don't need any shitty mental processes telling you why approaching is a bad idea. You just fucking do it because your instincts are better than an over analyzing brain.
Keep practicing boss. It gets better I promise.
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Mr_Get_Right 8y ago
Go on. How does one start the path?
Strike48 8y ago
I'm at the gym right now and I don't really feeling like typing too much, but personally if I was in that situation, I would invest myself in the philosophy of stoicism and beginning a process to recondition my brain. In the study regarding the scientific trials, the only way of getting the dogs to realize that there was an escape was by physically having to move them out of the shock's way. They were motivated to escape the shocks via treats and rewards, but the dogs were too fucked up mentally to even fathom the idea that there was more to the situation. At that point all their brain knew was that pain was coming and to brace for it. Nothing else. Once the people running the trial physically moved them out of harm's way, they were able to see that there is an escape after a few times.
I guess my suggestion for OP would be to find a new environment. Move countries if he can pull the courage to. Maybe also talk to a psychologist and have them aid him. TRP is great, but right now he needs a physical being to move him via reconditioning of the brain. Reading shit online will not aid him. He's too far deep in the hole. For us, reading material helps because we haven't reached that level of narcissism and loss of hope by result of extreme decade long periods of failure as he has.. Hope that makes sense. Back to my squats.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes. I've read Marcus Aurelius's meditations once but I did not integrate it in any fashion. I need to go back to that.
I really didn't consider myself that far gone, but you have a fresh perspective on what I said so it makes me think.
Thanks for replying.
Strike48 8y ago
When the stomach reaches a state of crucial hunger it aches to be fed anything and everything. It wants to absorb anything useful that you toss at it and bring it's nutrients to your bloodstream.
Take this opportunity to seek out methods that can enhance your life brother. We reach low points and then proceed to implement things into our lives that we thought would never be implemented. All in order to gain their value and aid our lives. Similar to the stomach metaphor. What you add to your life at this point can and could be essential nutrients for the rest of your life. Best of luck.
Mr_Get_Right 8y ago
That's a really, really solid share. I think it would benefit people if you made a post with your thoughts on it. It really resonated with me.
Uh... I'm actually terrified. To the core. I am the person who desperately needs to grab change. But I'm scared. It's my mission to confront it. I've never left the place I was born, and I'm terrified to try. To even imagine it's possible.
HomoSapiensNemesis 8y ago
Hello, I'm the Devil's Advocate today.
I was born in one country, then at age five moved to another on the other side of the planet. When I was 17, we moved back to Country A. Between then and now I have moved over 30 times; for work, school, relationships, etc. The longest I have been in one place since 17 years old is about 2 years.
Change is important; moreover it is the very truth of reality - that all is constant, irresistible change. But that is true no matter where you are, or what you are doing. For wherever you go, there you are.
It's good to travel, broaden the mind, gain perspective. Invaluable. But there is something to be said about having roots. Having a 'home'. Extended family, and history in the land you dwell on.
I don't have any of that. I don't have any close people or family. I don't have a 'home'.
You can embrace change without losing everything that made you, you. So go travel, but don't take for granted where you came from.
Strike48 8y ago
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Listen to this guy. He speaks the truth. To grasp and implement change, you don't necessarily need to move countries or states unless it's really what you desire. I also was moved around a lot as a child and I absolutely hated it. Now as an adult I find peace in having the financial availability to remain where I want to and knowing my city up and down. I grab change by trying new things. Change does not always need to be drastic. For OP, I suggested something drastic as he seems to be completely sick of where he's living and the people he's interacting with. I love where I live. I love the people, the vibes, the women. I have no reason to move right now and I highly doubt that you do as well. As the dude above me stated, having a home is very comforting and it's really nice to know that you take place somewhere. Who cares if you've never left the place you were born. If you hate it then sure, maybe consider moving, but if you're ok with it then stick around and truly see what you've been missing in the town/city that you've lived in for years. I bet that if you explore, you are bound to find cool new shit that you didnt even know existed.
Mr_Get_Right 8y ago
I just have to throw myself off my path. Into the bush. I keep doing the same things, and while it has gotten me this far, it's just time to let a lot of my old self go. To wander into the unknown. Turning down the volume of the infinite hypotheticals in my mind.
And rely on instinct.
The things I built up are tumbling down. Sick of waiting for a better future. It's always at least one more day away, regardless of how close I get.
I'm broke. I'm trading drugs for yoga lessons, literally. Until I get myself doing the things I think about, actualizing myself, I'm just waiting for something that will never come.
Lift. Yoga. Judo. Salsa. Program. I gotta stop being the person in my head doing these things. I gotta practice taking care of myself, and become that person in real life.
Then, go from there. Elaborate plans get me nowhere, they are just masturbatory fantasies. Gotta find my instinct. Think with my body. I'm dead right now, so nothing makes sense. That's why now is the perfect time to break the patterns. To start building a new path.
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skeletonized 8y ago
I'm one of the zen guys.
I know fiction isn't welcome here, but it was said well in the Green Lantern Animated Series. Razer the Red Lantern feels powerless, because he can't access the Rage that powers his ring since he's been meditating with a Blue Lantern of Hope. When he sees violence against his Green teammate his ring activates, allowing him to overpower the threat. How was that possible? He introspects
Patrice O'Neal on Black Phillip was mentoring callers that have started to understand the sickness that women have; take the resulting anger, use it, and Be Righteous Nigga!
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You come across as extremely bitter and jaded. I am not in the U.S but it can't be as bad as you make out. I train, hit my meals, work hard and strive to continually meet new women. To me that is success. There are decent women out there. Find them. In your journey through life you will meet shit men and women. Disregard these people and stay positive.
Good luck
TheEnglishman28 8y ago
I read every word. I love a good rant, it is the most catharic thing there is other than lifting weights or punching a bag.
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Indigo_Monkey 8y ago
Yes, since I was about 14 years old. I just think: pavonine clowns
OhMy8008 8y ago
It's these posts that make me think God that I turned out gay
thechariot83 8y ago
I think every man, be him blue pill or red, has had these thoughts. My conclusion is that it's just life. It's just the game. The basis of the red pill is to improve oneself and while you can't change the game itself, you can make the game a lot easier to play.
You're sick of being a peacock? Then make the bitches come to you. Don't sit on your branch doing that fucking dance. Our intelligence separates us. I'm sure if the peacock knew of a better way to get laid, he would do it. But instead he has to rely on biology and instinct to pass his seed. Don't be one of the 50 tools on the dance floor looking for application. Take a look around, find the girl you want to fuck and make it happen. Otherwise, bounce...don't just sit and observe in anger.
I agree with basically everything you said. It's a fucking shame that American women, amongst others, often seek that easy validation. With the advent of social media and the fact that every chick has it in her pocket, a few taps on the touchscreen and she's got some beta swooning over her existence.
But these ho's are nothing, man. Just like the beta that jerks off and plays xbox and smokes mad weed (me a few years ago) for the instant gratification, the slut of instant validation retains nothing of substance. The feeling she gets through this act is always fleeting and she's going to be always clawing and clutching at more.
TL;DR "If you're going through hell, just keep going."
MeditateErrDay 8y ago
From the most primal standpoint - women are attracted to status.
If you don't have high status, you'll be bitching just like you're bitching now. The Red Pill is about accepting things as they really are. If you understand that attraction is NOT a choice, and that women are attracted to status, you wouldn't be ranting like this.
Now nod your head, say out loud "I get it now." And get to work.
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I really appreciated this post. From my limited understanding of the different movements, it sounds like you're mentally leaving TRP and heading to MGTOW. Which is kinda where I'm at.
From where I'm sitting, in person interactions are now sometimes as bad as online ones. Two days ago, I took a girl on a date. At the end of it, she told me she already has a boyfriend, but she was hinting at some on-the-side action. No, I wouldn't do that to another guy. Waste of time.
I really don't want this to sound arrogant, but I have ALWAYS wondered why I as the male, who earns more, is more athletic, more disciplined, more widely read and more socially competent, have to dance around and perform (in one sense or another) for women who objectively offer less than I do. It makes no sense to me, and it makes me almost want my libido to fade so I can forget about the game altogether.
FLFTW16 8y ago
Is that how much it costs in the US now? I've never used a prostitute but I know that they are much cheaper where I live (Thailand). For me, I gave up on white women years ago and now prefer Asians in general--Koreans, Japanese, Thai, and Vietnamese specifically.
Thai hookers or bar girls can be had for as little as 700 Thai Baht or US $20 for a short time session. That's 30 minutes of fuck 'em and chuck 'em, Pattaya style. Personally I've never done it. I actually enjoy relationships. But I understand guys that are finished with American women and need an out. Here is your out, if you are ok with Asian birds.
Here's the mindfuck: even whores here will try to play games and act like they are "choosing" you. It's funny. They can't help but be the women they are. It's in their fuckin' DNA. On the rare occasion I go out for a drink at a Bangkok go-go bar I get free lap dances and cuddle time and I don't give them anything. I don't buy them a drink, I don't bar fine them. I get a little attention and then tell them no thanks I go now. It's my power over them. They are practically begging me to take them to the nearest hotel because I am tall, handsome, in great shape, nice smile, and puud passa Thai nit-noi. I reject them and then chuckle when the 60 year old fat, smelly guys with wallets walk in to choose from the meat on stage.
I digress. Get what you want in life. If you have to pay for it, pay for it, but come to a cheaper place like Thailand where it's cheaper to pay for it. You won't be judged harshly out here. Just don't wallow in misery in the US when you have options. Get your passport and start exploring. You have ONE life.
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PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Eastern Europe is closer to westernization than Asia, but it's still doable to find home-oriented girls.
vandaalen 8y ago
They are very feminine and that is why they are very open about liking masculinity. If you are a whimp they will either openly despise you or they will just cruelly take advantage of you without remorse and they won't even make their hamster jump into the wheel in order to find justifications for it.
Also be prepared for shit-test level over 9000.
down_with_whomever 8y ago
I've found, though, that their shit tests are more neatly packaged.
Sure there are some of them who are fucking annoying and that's just what kind of behavior they like, I'm excluding them from this characterization because they aren't worth our time.
But the regular ones, they shit test because they want to see that you shut them up. And once you do, they're happy. End of shit test. Now we're friends again.
American girls, on the other hand, I find will get offended that you've crushed their shit test, and it will kind of morph into another one because they don't internally believe that men have the right to tell them they're wrong (see: bitchy single moms everywhere). Their women don't hold this belief, and they actually are relieved to see a show of strength from a guy.
Just don't make the mistake of assuming that they are fundamentally more moral or honest than our women. They aren't - they just have a different understanding of gender roles.
down_with_whomever 8y ago
I don't think that the Thai bar girl life is a real substitute for the game here. It's talked about like a mythical playground of cheap sex. But honestly, sex tourism locations are so often scummy and horrifying. They really are. I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with prostitution vis a vis consenting adults making a transaction together. I don't care about that.
But walking up and down the red light district in Phuket and seeing how fucking miserable all the women look as they ply their trade, all these fat old betas in dirty t-shirts smiling at them. I felt uncomfortable being there. I thought, "I'm not one of these guys. This isn't my scene." I'm not pretending that I'd be above participating in it - but the tone of the atmosphere was not one that, for me, felt dignified.
A lot of the women in those places are victims of human trafficking, extortion, violence. It's not always as "consenting" as we'd like. It's not the mythical playground people make it out to be. I didn't feel good there and I don't think it's the answer to what guys like us are looking for.
That said, your ultimate conclusion is 100% absolute truth:
This is 100% accurate. But most people, including self proclaimed internet alpha chad thundercocks here on TRP, are too in love with the familiar and too wary of change to uproot themselves and try to go out into the unknown.
FLFTW16 8y ago
I completely agree with your assessment. Before I left the US my opinion on prostitution was rather black-and-white. I considered it immoral. Living here and witnessing pieces of it has opened my eyes to the more nuanced reality. It is a gray area. A lot of these girls are from poor rural families and they are making money to support other people. The glamour and "playground" aspect is part of the salesmanship. Of course a business wants to make its customers feel good. Are these prostitutes really any worse than a Walmart employee? A lot of jobs suck.
I also consider the men who use this service. Here are guys that are lonely and starving for sex and affection. They aren't Chad Thundercocks who get it for free, they are Beta Bobs who are taking their yearly vacation to SE Asia to spend money from an engineering job. In a functioning society with Marriage 1.0 these betas would have wives and their money would be going toward a family and they'd be getting laid from time to time. Marriage 1.0 was destroyed so now they come here to buy whores.
We are all broken, lost children. These women are broken, these men are broken. But we all do the best we can with what we have. We have this one life and we don't want to spend it suffering alone. If it costs a little money, we'll spend it. Some of these prostitutes get addicted to the lifestyle--which is a PAID ride on the CC--and even after landing a rich European husband that sends them money every month, they still sneak off to Pattaya to work on the side. I've heard the stories a million times. The women aren't necessarily innocent victims. Some of them are. Some of them start off that way but then enjoy it. Some of them choose it even when they have more than enough money to afford to go to school and get a real job.
I feel the same way as you, but we also have options. I knew a guy in Bangkok that was born with a deformed hand and as a result no woman would date him, so he used whores instead. I felt he was justified but it's not an ideal situation. He would have preferred to fall in love and be a normal human, but it wasn't in the cards. We can't all be tall, handsome, and without health issues. Some of us get fucked over in life.
The very existence of a prostitution industry is a reinforcement for good behavior in women that are in relationships. Thailand is patriarchal and women know they can be replaced. Every street has massage parlors and there are plenty of red light districts to choose from. If she wants to maintain a marriage or relationship with a man she will have to make concessions and make him feel good, or he can walk out and get satisfaction instantly.
There was a famous Catholic theologian in the middle ages that loved whoring. I forget his name but he said that prostitution is like a sewer system. No one likes the sewer, but its existence is necessary for civilization to function. Having seen the open sewer I can confirm it is full of shit, but it's here to stay. As long as men like fucking and as long as women like money there will be an exchange of one for the other.
down_with_whomever 8y ago
I think you misunderstood the thrust of my argument.
I'm not suggesting that there aren't valid reasons for all those people to be there and associate in the way that they are. Either the women or the foreign men. I'm also not trying to claim that it ISN'T an option. Of course it is. I also realize the TRP impacts on society of having open prostitution meaning that women are replaceable, which is not how our society views it.
A lot of your comment is in defense of the nature of their sex tourism industry. But I have to clarify I'm not criticizing it, I'm saying that it wasn't appealing to me. There's a big world out there. I've been to a lot of places. The ones that felt most comfortable to me were NOT surrounded by hookers and foreign losers in Phuket. And don't take this as an insult, or "shaming" or whatever it is. A lot of them were losers. A lot of them were guys that, back home, I would never have had any desire to interact with. Now I they are my compatriates in social status. The easier access to sex did not make it a desirable environment for me.
And in that way, I still don't think it's an alternative to living the grind in the US. I don't think someone who is frustrated with our bullshit can get on a plane to Thailand, walk out, and now life makes sense, now I'm happy, now the game is easy. Finding your path in life is more complicated than that.
FLFTW16 8y ago
Yeah don't take my comment for an attempt to debate. I fully agree with you. I'm just sort of pontificating for other people that read the comments. I receive private messages from people all the time asking me to elaborate about life in Thailand. It's just easier to flesh out the ideas in comment sections publicly. Cheers
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Congratulations, you've been upgraded to MGTOW - TRP's final form. Everything you said is true. People on TRP are mindless gym bros who are selfish pricks. They only care about screwing fat chicks and coming on here and bragging how they snagged three HB27s bro. They don't give a shit about their cultural identity, their heritage falling apart, their country ripping apart, their mothers and daughters being brainwashed by the rootless cosmopolitan globalists who control Americas media and the board seats of every major corporation. They don't give a shit about diversity being jammed down our throats every second of every day. They don't give a shit that Americas meritocracy is dead. There are so many things wrong with our country that we need to unite and fix them. Women in our country need a collective slap to the face. These dudes want to kiss their feet while claiming they aren't giving them any validation. Hahahaha, what a farce TRP is. MGTOW is the way to go.
kappy_the_kike 8y ago
this post needs to be in the top. TRP is a negative fertility movement. its literally white genocide. merchants like myself are LOLing
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netgrey 8y ago
Civil war is coming. I hate to see it, but we're reaching a point where America will be great or it will be destroyed.
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skeletonized 8y ago
Did you go to DarkEnlightenment before or after MGTOW?
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Adolf_ghandi 8y ago
Then quit the shit that you don't like and do stuff you enjoy. Is it that hard?
But getting in shape is ultimately a very decent investment in your personal health. For some even mental health. You should consider that.
Synzael 8y ago
And this is why Isis exists. Giving up on western society
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Older women were no different Hoss.
OP; look at it this way. Had you been born 30 years ago you'd never have known any of this until after you married a woman and embraced the complications thereof. Guys tend to lionize the past somewhat , without realizing that it too was injustice against men.
Females haven't changed much. The Tinderellas you see now are no different then the older "nice" women of yore. Difference was the 1960s young woman was taught to keep her mouth shut about the things 2016 young women openly brag about.
Practical example of what I mean. I flew back home to see my grandfathers funeral years back.I find out he was the 1960s Chad ; I wound up living the song "Papa was a Rolling Stone" as folks I'd never heard of before at the funeral identified themselves as being related to me via an affair during the Marriage 1.0 years.
It was funny seeing the female angst about his actions, both knowing what I know now and being a cocksman myself today. See he didn't have a choice- when he banged my grandma as a teenager and she came up pregnant he married her. That was it . No separation, no CS and split of custody, no court case, no plan B. He had to march her down the aisle for better or worse.
We men don't have that millstone.We aren't forced to wife up a girl just because we had sex with her. We aren't forced to raise kids which may or may not be ours. We aren't forced to marry and then get shamed for being "dogs" because we act on what other women want us for. We aren't forced to get married to some female Ma and Pa picked out for us.
We can decide whether to jump in the game or walk. We can decide using data and facts who , the what, the where, and so on to maximize our reproductive advantages even in the depths of this sinking matriarchy.
In short , we have options today men before us could only dream of . Including just walking away from the whole shebang.
kappy_the_kike 8y ago
alot of people think women of yesteryear were some kind of angels, they weren't. society was still functioning though and shamed certain kind of behaviors. women being whores is nothing new, it's as old as time.
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PrinceofSpades 8y ago
When I'm out for sex, I love feminism. When I'm out for love, I hate it.
Luckyluke23 8y ago
This pretty much sums up how women are these days man.
they have been told they can have there cake and eat it too. I remember talking to a fattie ( easily like 50kgs overweight if not more. she seemed like a low hanging fruit so i went for it) got her number and told her we will be hain gout at the end of the week. she just laughted in my face. ( she was a 4 at best man defo on the low hang fruit, thought she would be easy)
see the thing is, most women now expect Alpah males. ( or for lac of a better world High SMV man) when when they are " 4 out of 10"
you make a point about the women not wanting to talk to you, that is pretty much EVERYONE now a days. Thanks to the EXPLOSTION of social media no one wants to know you. you arn't on the social media there for you don't exist to them.
I know this, becuse I'm a Pool player, I've play pool with hobos, nobos, High class people, rich people, old people, no people, I've played them all and beat them all.
after class, I used to go to the univeristy bar, I challed everyone in there I could when most of the games get going. Must have tired 10 times ( didn't get very full in there, was the wrong time to go) I got 2 games, both from dudes. I think one was waiting for a firend.
it's the same everywhere, in local pubs and everything.
This is the only way to live and is good advice man. keep up the good fight man.
howard333 8y ago
I feel the same way. Modern women are such sub-basic bitches with shit personalities compared to any other generation. The bar is set very low for them, we aren't doing ourselves any favors by jumping higher. I really resent thirsty guys who say they will hit anything after a few months without sex. After the first time I felt a decent looking woman through a rubber, I was depressed at how much work men have to put in for... that. A Fleshlight with an annoying personality attached is not worth the risk and effort. At this point, it's find a unicorn who is by some miracle relatively unscathed by this society's chemical and cultural pollution and is actually enjoyable to be around, or go MGTOW.
I took senior evolution in college and remember this of sexual selection. Female selection is generally stronger due to simple scarcity and greater material investment. Some species take that to extremes, anything with "peacock" in the name. Their females tend to be larger and stronger, their coloration pure camouflage. I asked myself whether humans are such a species, and saw we clearly aren't. Our women are frail, have prominent breasts, put huge effort into hairstyles, clothing and makeup. These dimorphisms show that men have exerted significant influence on their genes.
I realized the myriad patriarchal traditions aren't superstitious random brutality. They are equality. A minority of women had the same kind of AF/BB mentality as the neurotic Tinderella waifs that men are still able to get hard for without Viagra: Whores. Overpriced whores are now the norm, unable to pair bond or raise children a non-abusive environment, only giving free fucks to dysfunctional and flamboyant characters (performers, criminals, and their imitators) and financially raping any stupid mark that falls in love with them.
It's okay to be angry. We kept a lid on this shit throughout most of history by considering it something evil to be suppressed or destroyed. Now we see a society that subsidizes and encourages it. By deluding ourselves into thinking that it's just female nature to be accepted (it's as natural cancer from nuclear fallout), we're enabling it. It's too late to save the society, but we can at least take personal measures to withdraw ourselves from it. That includes recognizing it for the evil that it is, as opposed to trying to shape ourselves into the kind of clowns that fallen women like to have sex with for fun.
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PrinceofSpades 8y ago
It's because you aren't blowing it casually; you're almost certainly very cautious with your money because you're intelligent, but next time you feel like walking into a bar, loudly make an entrance, walk right up to the bartender, and yell "A glass of champagne for everyone in the house, ON ME!" Congrats, you now have every single woman's attention in the room. I used to do the free version of this when I threw big college dance parties by interrupting a DJ set, grabbing the Mic, and saying "hey everyone! Welcome to my party! are you all having fun tonight?!?" Throw in a little crowd control, for example making everyone in the room open a path for some freshman kid to get through, and I had every single woman in the room eyeballing me, even the ones currently dancing with other guys or who had boyfriends. I could literally grab one off another guy and take them downstairs to fuck without saying a word. If I tried that shit at someone else's party, I'd potentially get into a fist fight and lose a lot of social value.
Point is, doing shit like that in the real world is a lot more fucking expensive, but it is the money side of power that makes women wet. You'd be better off just buying a hot escort for the night though, since it would be way cheaper, and any ONS you try to plate from your little stunt will be constantly expecting more crazy stunts like that so every other woman in the rooms you two enter sees your worth first and then sees the fact that she's under your arm second.
J_AsapGem 8y ago
Hmmm have you tried flaunting your wealth? It may seem shallow but it's good bait, check out Patrice o'neal everything men own is for pussy on youtube, and the best part is minimal effort needed
dr_warlock 8y ago
Women love self-handicapping. Monetarily, this would be using money to acquire attention, resources, and power just because you can. Flaunt some of the wealth with arrogance, and they will swarm. You just use it as bait for the bangs then not give her a dime. Or you can get high class escorts directly, which is cheaper anyways, especially in latin america, the phillipines, and asian countries like vietnam.
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I was at Mickey D's the other day and in the kitchen was a guy that I'm pretty sure recently got out of jail. He was at least 6'3". He had bad jail house tattoos in visible locations, including a tear drop. He looked like he had worked out in jail. He had model level facial aesthetics. I thought to myself "I bet despite this guy working here he is drowning in pussy". Then I grabbed my coffee and drove to my office job filled with scientists and engineers.
What are you gonna do? The average woman knows that this guy would likely kick more butt to protect them than I could, would ruthlessly steal/whatever if need be, and would be thrilling. Plus, he'd likely have the lack of integrity and honor that most women share. That's my hypothesis anyways: women like dirtbags because most women are dirtbags, and they get off on someone being a dirtbag for them.
james-watson 8y ago
Funny thing is we used to hang guys like that. Now they just get to roam free on the public dime.
We dun goofed.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
Yeah women hate honor and they think it's stupid. It's purely a male trait.
HomoSapiensNemesis 8y ago
This was one of the biggest realizations I had when I first took the pill.
Women do not comprehend - other than as an abstract concept - honour.
Once you realize that, the whole house of cards of female 'fidelity' falls.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
Yeah all the trust is out of the window.
Awes300meness 8y ago
Try conspicuous consumption techniques. Get a prestigious car. Get a style that displays the money you have not pea cocking though unless you want to.
unicorn-carousel 8y ago
The single best thing I did for my wardrobe was get premium denim and a couple pairs of subtle but nice shoes and button ups with stitching. People who don't know can't explain why my outfits are next level, but they know they look good and hear girls compliment them all the time.
PostingIsFutile 8y ago
For a long, long time. The question to ask yourself is whether it's worth it. That's something each man will have to answer for himself.
RPRedhead 8y ago
Some days the bear eats you. Sometimes the bullshit is too deep. I get it.
I feel this way sometimes too. My only consolation is that I'm not trying to date/plate all of the western women. I'm looking for one. Or a few. Women who were born/raised elsewhere are much more feminine than most of the disgusting suburban hambeasts that make up most of American society. There are a few good ones out there but they can be very hard to find.
I agree with most of what OP says. I flip flop between thinking pursuit of another LTR is worthwhile or not worthwhile. Perhaps paying for sex IS the solution.
superangelo64 8y ago
Travel to some non-western countries and just have fun. I promise you'll gain some perspective on how the game is certainly intact universally but is much less broken and enjoyable outside of America. It's very broken here. You're a male, it's in your genes for "peacocking" to be fun, it's just broken here.
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So what's the alternative? Giving up? Eating a bullet? Shooting up a curves and being remembered as a throaty crazy idiot? You need to find a mission besides pussy.
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redditalias7 8y ago
Can confirm. Lived in Asia for about 3 years and came back to USA 2 years ago. I can't take it much longer. I mean I'm making money but beyond that I can't accept the women here and their disrespectful behavior. They treat men as disposable garbage. I think I'll head back to Asia within a year
FreeRadical5 8y ago
Does that work for non white men who don't experience the huge SMV boost being the super rare exotic white guy in a white worshipping Asian culture?
cariboo_j 8y ago
Yep. I still work out and make decent money at my job but I get what you mean.
Been doing monk mode for a year, got no plans to get on tinder or start "gaming" random women at the supermarket. Maybe someday in the future I'll get back into the rat race of dating.
If you're OK with not getting laid regularly opting out is perfectly legitimate option. Personally I've never felt more at peace.
SmilingWatermelon 8y ago
He is justified in his rage. He sounds like he has done everything we preach to no avail.
Move countries OP. If it ain't working here, it'll work elsewhere. Change venues. Go out and explore life. Western women are a complete waste of time.
Im not a top dog yet, but when I do become one I won't have any remorse for these women that have used and betrayed my better nature. Ill only do what's best for me, you should too.
redditalias7 8y ago
Your thinking is correct, but everything just keeps feeds into making in worse. The rational males response to women is become selfish and this will just make women more selfish. It's really a battle of the sexes out there.
SmilingWatermelon 8y ago
Its a cycle. I've already been on the lower end of the spectrum. Now I want to be on top.
Man_Jose 8y ago
The problem is that women have ZERO repercussions for their behavior today.
They can choose to do whatever the fuck they want, they WILL get married (at whatever age that might be) and if the marriage sucks, they WILL leave. Men are a fucking joke to them. That's why they don't pay any attention or respect.
If they had to face repercussions, ANY REPERCUSSIONS, they wouldn't do this.
Repercussions include:
These things would make women think about their lives practically.
Men love following rules. That's why they work hard, get married, learn investments, health, sciences etc.
Women don't like following rules...because they are kids. Kids need boundaries to grow in, a set of rules that guide them.
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If you're depending on Tinderellas at a bar for validation, you're gonna be disappointed. Most of these women in bars get more sex than youre ever gonna know. And they can get more anytime they want. How do you expect them to have an appreciation for any man unless he's famous?
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
In their worlds they are famous, just look at their phones and tell me how many people do you think she believes know and remember her? It's no wonder she wants someone famous, she "deserves" it.
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I feel the same.. Ive never had success with women..but I work incredibly hard on myself..built a body that would make arnold proud..dont get in anyones business and treat people how I want to be treated..but females seem repulsed if I even look at them. Then I watch the behavior that goes on in bars /clubs of the men that get girls and its pathetic.. im not selling myself out and acting like that for the attention of some entitled bitch who would never respect me anyways.
So I just focus on improving my body..my wealth and my hobbies/interests..and if somewhere down the line a girl comes onto my radar..she better prove herself to ME and not the other way around.
But I get your whole rant..Ive felt that way for the longest time.. Finally get your shit together..and try to meet a girl..then realize your still somehow the bottom of the barrel to them because youre not their vision of what they want..not a loud try-hard type who was simply born with "better" features..
I just dont want to play those games.
alritealritealrite 8y ago
Im right there with you op. I gave up right out of high school. It took me another 3 years to find trp after that. I've gotten pretty good at being happy alone. And being celibate isn't the worst thing. I have no excuses, I just don't care. There's much more important skills (easier too) in life to master besides slaying pussy. I always weigh the effort to the reward and pussy just isn't worth it. There's better hobbies
FreyWill 8y ago
Have you ever done LSD?
Cuz it sounds like you should.
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500-600 micrograms maybe 5-10 times a year.
Now dimethyltryptamine, that's another story.
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How the hell would LSD do anything for this man?
FreyWill 8y ago
How wouldn't it? Sometimes you need some meditation and spiritual centring, which he clearly does.
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Haha I wouldn't recommend LSD for meditation and spiritual centering. The last few hours of a trip are pretty amazing for that, but the 6-8 hour clusterfuck before you start coming down and becoming one with the universe definitely isn't worth it, if you're using it to "meditate".
FreyWill 8y ago
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
redditalias7 8y ago
I hear you 100% man, and I'm on the same page. I've kinda dropped out of the race and trying as far as it goes with the USA. We are starting to go the way of Japan with the shut in guys that have given up. The answer to this is to go abroad. American/Western women are the WORST. Overwhelmingly they are overweight, bad attitude, very choosy and the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.
Go abroad to Asia, S. America, Eastern Europe...almost any country other than USA, Canada, and Australia has much much better women and you'll be valued as a man and treated with respect.
frostfire1337 8y ago
And this is why we need sexbots, artificial wombs, etc. When we have those, we win. They lose. Their games won't matter. Their headcase bitching won't matter. Their bodies won't matter. They will be worthless. And that is when they will get their shit together. Until then, I suggest we break out our textbooks, our breadboards and our arduinos. Cause this shit ain't going to make itself, that is for goddamn sure.
crimsonpowder 8y ago
I feel everything you've said here. I've gone through it. At some point I simply accepted that women were a waste of time and decided to focus on myself. I became amazing at a few things and women started getting interested. I'm not saying the same will happen to you; no one is entitled to anything in the SMP.
I think your main problem is you're defining yourself based on how successful you are with women. Don't do that--their groupthink doesn't know how to evaluate something, especially when it's you going outside current social norms and refusing to peacock. It's stupid but that's the way it is right now.
Given that western culture is such a debacle right now and we're seeing people's true, feral nature, everyone here should be affirmed in the fact that morality with regard to our dealings with the world is but a flimsy veneer used only to validate oneself. In short: do not be afraid of putting yourself first at the expense of others.
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Dont_Care4This 8y ago
That's some crazy r selected bullshit you're spewing man. And ya, your deep in the anger phase. I know you don't want to hear about it, but it will pass. In the mean time, man the fuck up and quit being such a bitch. Maybe that's why women won't give you the time of day.
Minjaze 8y ago
It's an elaborate dance, all of it. Are you confident? Do you work out? What are your hobbies? It's like a glorified job application.
And from what I've seen, this is almost exclusively a male thing. We're the one who have to initiate and impress, we're the ones who have to put ourselves out there and risk rejection. Honestly, any average-looking woman could land a guy if she wanted to, yet they still complain because they can't find someone who fits their rigid standards.
I recall talking to a (female) online friend of mine once. She told me she knows that there are dudes out there that like her, yet she wants one particular guy she cannot have and only him.
yaysmr 8y ago
Holy SHIT do I empathize with this. The statistics are morbidly fascinating in how they show how the average male (and female, but they're not, as a gender, cognizant enough to be responsible for their actions) is completely screwed out of any sort of shot at fulfillment.
HOWEVER
THIS is not quite true. Yes it is true that there will always be a 'top tier' no matter how good everyone else is doing. However it is still a strict improvement for every male to try and maximize their fitness. The law of diminishing returns generally means that as everyone improves, the absolute difference between them decreases because the guys on the leading edge of the curve have to work increasingly hard for lower gains. There is an upper limit to how much humans can improve, and the so the more everyone approaches it the closer everyone is grouped. That means there will be a lot of switching in and out of the top 10% on any given day or week.
You CANNOT forget that the top 10% is NOT a static group, there is a lot of turnover as guys in said top 10% burn out, get bored and move on to different pursuits, or external forces hit them hard. The more guys are within striking range of that top 10%, the harder it is to stay there.
The only factor this might not apply as well to is salary. Some guys will be billionaires and only so many people can actually achieve that status.
MORE IMPORTANTLY...
If men were actually taking it upon themselves to improve and push themselves to their full potential, there would be ripple effects in society. We'd be more prosperous, we'd have much faster growth and innovation, and men would actually be able to demand that women as a gender up their game. Its often said here that feminism is a global shit test for the male population. Males as a whole are failing it hardcore because betas are feeding it and validating it and allowing it to spread.
If we could coordinate sufficiently (hah!) to get more males working towards their ideal selves, then we could actually create a society that you would want to live in, or a close approximation.
The current system is not going to permit this, because there is not sufficient reward for the average guy to try, as you have so astutely pointed out. There will have to be some kind of shock to the system to upend the apple cart and change the incentives.
But I personally think the goal is worth working at for its' own sake. I'm fed up with this shit as you are, but I have to hope that I can make enough of a change that my sons (should I actually get them, ugh) won't have to put up with the bullshit I did and do.
Point being: the only way we'll see society improve is if men improve. Women have always taken their cues from men, and a lot of techonological/cultural developments have skewed those cues to men's detriment. We can either shoulder our natural responsibility and try and make masculinity great again, or shrug it off and walk away in disgust at the lack of gratitude shown for our efforts.
I won't judge you either way.
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savedarticles 8y ago
i don't know man. It maybe a midlife crisis or the final realization of TRP, but shit gets old quick. I just can't play the game anymore. it's like presses down on my soul to have to do all this shit. I probably get a few matches a day from online and have a few women in real life vying for me. but, to move them through the process like a fucking clown, is killing me. it's like roosh and his clown article. I feel like a fucking circus act! ughh... hopefully this phase passes cause it's affecting me to have this level of realization. even if I bang them, I still have to be keeping them entertained or they ghost or jump on the next chad.
you don't want this shit to become second nature. you'd end up a shell.
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Manospherian 8y ago
Hear hear.
With the red pill I've finally started having success with women, but I've also started to question if it's all even worth it.
wolverstreets 8y ago
You obviously want to slay pussy, or find a woman to love. You're raging against the forces of nature man. Nobody ever said life was fair or easy.
revtheracecar 8y ago
This is called the black pill.
camenossaber 8y ago
I love to wear mostly all black and mostly all my possessions are colored black. Symbolism?
PunkOverLord 8y ago
No you just like the colour
skeletonized 8y ago
I would extend that idea into MGTOW as actually, "Taking the Black" as it is said of the Night's Watch on Game of Thrones.
raven982 8y ago
MGTOW do take lands (no kids and no wife = money) and have an aversion to the idea of being beholden to society, not sure it's a good analogy.
skeletonized 8y ago
It can be a much larger analogy if you let it. The Night's Watch is the first to see the threat of the White Walkers that precede the long winter. This is not unlike the demographic winter that MGTOW recognizes from an objective distance, that is resulting from imbalanced gender relations and family law practices. The Night's Watch is made up of Bastards and Second Sons that have no chance at inheritance by the rights of Patriarchal Succession within the fictional kingdom of Westeros. It's 2016 and we have a single mom problem in the US. We are a generation of Jon Snows that can't have our father's name of Stark, and the link to history and tradition therein that the eldest Robb Stark does. The 2008 housing market crash foreclosed most of our parents' attempt to have a home they could leave to the next generation. We don't have so much as Lordship of cursed Harenhal to look forward to.
The oath doesn't say take lands. It says hold no lands. This is actually making your point for you when you're trying to be contrarian. MGTOW and Red Pill both acknowledge that military service, fighting and dying to preserve a nation which has no interest in you outside of resource extraction, is meaningless.
Campes 8y ago
Nice comparison. They're all pretty much MGTOW with a few exceptions. Samwell Tarly is very blue pill.
skeletonized 8y ago
White Knight of the Black Crows for sure.
trumpisafaggybeta 8y ago
Pretty sure that cucks feed their wives this pill often
Xemnas81 8y ago
Can relate but not giving up.
The price of my being beta was to be labeled abusive, and the damage that has done to my cinfidence can only be amended by a woman confirming I am in fact, a good person. Not even attractive, just...good. Not someone who brings pain into people's lives.
I fucking hate that more than any other standards they have. They can say or do whatever the fuck they want to you, and no one will call it out as abuse. You break frame once and you can be branded like I am for life.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
Women annoy the fuck out of me sometimes. And yes I look down on most of them. Take few of them seriously. When I date one I don't bother playing fair. But at the end of the day I enjoy my life, my friends and family and yes the presence of a woman.
But that is all. I enjoy them like I would enjoy a good movie or good meal. When it's done I walk out. Women pick me or they don't and I honestly don't care what reasons got them in my bed.
If you don't overvalue something then you won't resent it in it's absence. Get them of the pedestal and de-prioritize the bunch. Next time you won't get so angry when one of them disappoints you.
Women are disappointing more often than not. And when they aren't they will. Until you find that special unicorn snowflake sex robot. That one will be worth every penny.
FromageWarlock 8y ago
Just opt out. You don't have to marry or even like women as partners to be happy
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howard333 8y ago
Just another kind of blue pill. Fuck off.
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