Age: 28 Background: white. IT professional | Lean-muscular build | Solo frame development 165 at 14% BF | Recent transition into live reps after heavy RP theory work.
Venue: Wanted to go to grunge music bar, full, had to pivot to frat and party bar Time: ~10:30 PM, Saturday Fit: Black Henley, leather jacket, black jeans, black boots. Phoenix ring, Saint Michael necklace, (yes this is conscious)
Setup
Had originally intended to go to a dark music bar that fits my vibe more, but a full hour wait derailed those plans. Ended up at an open frat bar. Much younger scene—a ritzy bar with heavy frat/sorority energy. I was with a friend, not solo. Not my ideal venue, but I committed to the mission: get real-world reps and solidify my frame.
Saw two women seated nearby—not particularly attractive, but I thought I caught a glance. I knew I had to make the move.
The Approach
I stood up, walked over, sat in the open chair and opened with:
“Which one of you is more trouble?”
One girl wide-eyed, immediately looked at the other. Cold shoulder. I followed up, a little nervous:
“Is this a Saturday night thing or a me thing?”
No real response. Tried to keep it rolling:
“Are you always this shy?”
One of them replied, cold:
“No, we just don’t want to talk to you.”
I kept frame and said:
“That’s fine. If you want me to go, just ask nicely and I will.”
Her friend chimed in, “Bye. Bye.” With the sarcastic touch. I didn’t flinch or give it power.
The other girl said, “Can you please go away?”
I said, “Hope you have a good night,” and calmly walked back—right to the seat beside them. I sat in the tension. They whispered about me for 5 minutes before they up and left. We left 15 minutes later.
Aftermath
I didn’t break posture. Didn’t flinch. Internally? Yeah fucking sucks. But I knew I had just done a first rep that mattered. The rejection sucked. It was brutal. But it was necessary.
Lessons • Half-in is half-out. If you wear the Rogue look, you better carry the Rogue energy. Commit or don’t bother. • Don’t chase dead sets. Low-quality women rejecting you rudely is no loss. Move on. Don’t validate. • Recovery > Rejection. Your composure after rejection is where frame is forged. • Rejection in front of friends? Let them see you take the hits. They’ll be there when you become untouchable. I’m walking the path. • Nerves aren’t weakness. Pursuing after rejection is. I held frame and tried to establish it. Even if it was malicious compliance, i still got a please when asked to leave.
Integration
This wasn’t about winning. It was about ritualizing pain into growth. A scar that tells me I’m no longer on the sidelines.
I feel the sting as I type this and it sucks. I doubted and still do if my frame, my natural want of privacy and mystery and intrigue, can work. I ride motorcycles and have dangerous hobbies and want a dangerous girl. The venue mismatch sucked but I wanted a rep. I have no excuse.
I’m not here to be liked. I’m here to become dangerous.
No-Stress-Cat 3d ago
You're not going to find a biker chick hanging out at a frat party...
Bozza 1 6d ago
Good work. Cold approach is hard, and brutal rejections sting. So props to you for not buckling under the pressure and taking it in your stride.
Some of the responses could have been a bit better
This is self depreciating, which you shouldn't do. The subtext your are communicating is asking for their approval and entering their frame. Am I enough? Do you not like me? I know you were on the back foot and a little nervous so it's understandable, so just one to note going forward.
You should be coming from a position of amused mastery. You know you're the shit, and their attitude is just a silly game. Easier said than done, takes a lot of practice.
At the end of the day cold approaches will usually end up in rejection for a million different reasons, so don't take it too hard on yourself. And for a first approach this was great.
As always, SMV is the name of the game. Don't know your height, but 165lbs is on the small side. As you keep lifting and improving your SMV, you'll find that even when you do get rejected it's nowhere near as brutal.
throwthatspiral 6d ago
Yeah I'm working on getting my weight up. I'm 5'11 with 134 lbs of muscle mass. I don't look jacked but I do look ok. Except thinning hair. It's still kind of there and it doesn't look awful, and I have a full beard trimmed to a 1 with the rest of my hair trimmed to a 1, if I needed to go bald I would but I'm not there yet.
Thank you for the insights. I need to sit with this one a bit more
RiskyEntertainment 6d ago
Too mnay questions (actually all of them) newbie problem.
Approaching a couple is harder. It is known women posture in front of each other and will destroy you for hamster reasons, while sucking your cock telepathically.
Walking a distance to talk gives them some initial power since you came to them.
Night venues are known for attention seeking bitches.
If you see approaches that work, forget about it, since you dont know didnt they already form a social circle b4.
Read some basic techniques before you get discouraged.
throwthatspiral 6d ago
My goal was to stand in the fire not create attraction. That's the reason for all the questions. I know it doesn't build attraction but it wasn't for no reason. Appreciate your insight. I'll try day game
ogrilla99 6d ago
Great work! The first approach is always the hardest. Even the hottest Chads with the best game get shot down way more often than they score, so understanding that rejection is part of the process is key. Good to see you're not letting a single rejection get to you.
As far as advice, "Which one of you is more trouble?" is a little forward. It kinda jumps into a sexual conversation right away. At the least, you're starting with a neg. That can work if you've had a ton of IOIs and basically know that a girl is already super interested in you. But someone who just glanced at you (which is what it seems like from your report) may still be deciding if they're interested, or not fully primed to start escalating just yet. In this cases, a little more neutral approach might have kept you in the game.
Personally, my go-to opener is a simple "How's your night going?" It's not a simple yes/no answer. And even girls who've given no IOIs are still usually polite enough to give you an answer. And based on that answer, you can calibrate your next question. If they're rude, just walk away. If they seem unsure but open, ask them a few more questions to get them to open up. If they give you a fun or engaged response, go with the flow and start the banter. If they seem interested and flirty, escalate.
I know we talk a lot about frame in redpill, but there's a difference between holding frame and attracting people to it, vs bashing someone over the head with it. Why should someone, especially someone you've just met, yield to your frame? You can try to make it a test of wills, with both of you fighting to force the other one to yield, but that usually doesn't end well. OTOH, make your frame attractive, something they want to enter, and it's much easier.
90% of game is learning to read other people. If someone's giving you a ton of IOIs, they're already attracted to you and primed to join whatever frame you establish. If it's a simple glance, start a little easier, and build up a rapport / attraction and slowly shift the frame / conversation to whatever you want. It's no different than escalating kino.
But all in all, the courage to approach is 90% of success, so great job on doing that. I promise it gets easier with practice!
throwthatspiral 6d ago
Refreshing to hear, thank you!
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 6d ago
I second what @bozza and @ogrilla99 both said
Additionally, a big part of approaching is learning to cut your losses early. You do this so you don't waste your valuable time and effort on those who aren't interested.
One thing I found entertaining was when a woman didn't show enough interest, I'd just walk away. No goodbye or any other "closure". Just stop talking to her (even mid-sentence!) and leave.
From your field report:
I'd have left at that point by the time I was hitting my stride (if I had even tried that particular approach in the first place).
Best response: "OK" and leave. Trying to enter into a pissing contest with a stranger is unnecessary and even detrimental to your goals. That stunt may have gotten you banned from that venue, especially if she's cozy with the staff.
But seriously, good for you for getting out there and trying. Too many dudes just keep reading without trying.
throwthatspiral 6d ago
Thank you for the encouragement that this path is the right one. I'm pretty stung still and I'm lacking the confidence to approach. I intrinsically am not outcome dependent but lizard brain me is and overriding that sucks. That being said I'll keep a conscious effort to bail out earlier next time if it's cold
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 6d ago
Good for you making the effort to approach. When I was early 20s (waaay back in the 80s!) I was painfully shy and followed my Mom's lousy advice to just smile at girls. Needless to say, this got me nowhere, fast!
Women usually already know if they're interested in you pursuing by the time they open their mouth to respond to your opener. Therefore, there's nothing to gain, and often ways to "lose" by trying to "Push through" rejection or indifference.
Keep doing approaches! After many repetitions, you start to lose your approach anxiety and reach a place of not being stuck in your own head, and this unlocks much smoother openers and natural banter on your end.
throwthatspiral 6d ago
You're right. My biggest takeaway is my frame and dynamic and taste is very polarizing. Social proof bar and "normie" spots are not where I will shine uncalibrated. I am still getting over the hump of frequenting these places that are my scene as a solo though. It's very awkward. I know nobody really pays attention and at the end of the day I know it doesn't matter too much but there's still irrational feelings and thoughts
throwthatspiral 5d ago
To everyone that commented, I approached again, way more calibrated this time