I was talking to a girl who was confused why a guy who fucked her didn't text back or want to see her again and (the gist of it) said "I don't get it, we connected for a long time and then he didn't get back, would a man really do that for hours just to get laid"
I said "yes"
And it took a while but it dawned on me why women severely underestimate the lengths a man will go to get laid with them.
Women are, for the most part, fucking guys they want to fuck, They don't see the 20:1 approach to lay ratio a lot of guys have. Even at 10:1 they don't see the actual grind. They only see it from their own solipsistic view of men getting laid, which is the men they are fucking and fucking when they want that man to fuck them.
Whether that's 1 date, no date, or 10 hours of talking first. Women set the pace and only see the cost of a lay from their POV. They don't see the cost of a man to get the lay from an overall effort required, and thus underestimate what a man is willing to subject himself to for a lay, even if the behaviors leading up to the lay are disingenuous or inefficient game
Usually though, men without absolutely rock solid game who get laid have to play stupid games like sweet talking, having deep convos, letting her yap till he can escalate, get her attention absorbed so he can make a move at the right time, etc
Men who will go on three dates for the lay because they feel like they must, for lack of a better word. When it's easier for some guys to escalate with mediocrity over 3-4 dates instead of solidly over one
Or the guys that have to create a bond first to make an opening
For lack of a better word, a style of game that is not wildly effective nor terribly efficient but rather invested and drawn out long enough to reach a lay threshold.
They don't see the absolute string of rejections men have to go through to get any given lay. Yes, they do LMR and ASD guys as well, that's not what I'm talking about. I mean they just don't see the sheer amount of approaches and failed advances men make who never even get to isolation or proper escalation.
They don't see the lengths a man will go to get a lay because he has to (unless Chad or solid game or right time, right place)
They only see it from the lay effort cost of their own POV of all the guys they want to fuck them
This is a random 4am thought dump but it just made me realize why women fall for shit so easily from sweet talk and other stupid games, because they do not see what many men must feel they must actually go through to get a lay from a man's perspective. They only see it from the perspective of having dick on tap and controlling the flow of giving out pussy, which is less effort than getting pussy
RiggzHatesYou 1y ago
I can't recall a time in my 35 years of existing that pussy was that hard to get.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
What they see is a load of annoying losers who don't count, the occasional guy they fuck, and they guys they want to fuck who aren't showing enough interest in them.
The guys they fuck have it easy (because they only fuck guys who have it easy), so they assume it's easy for men to fuck them. The invisible ones are invisibile.
This requires logical thinking.... which they are blind to. They don't see it as "20 rejections and then get laid" because they don't reject a man 20 times and then fuck him. They see it as "20 losers and one hot guy".
Yes, and you're right, but this is all a well known TRP fact.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Definitely.
Just wanted to deep dive this more so because I was astonished how naive women are about it, rather than that men know this fact first hand
This post was more aimed at breaking down female psychology instead of the well known fact that dick is cheap and pussy is expensive
Lionsmane8 1y ago
Yes,and that's good for you,strategically. You want her to think that it is easy to get laid for you. Works to your advantave. Don't expect her to understand what your reality is, it's like if she expected you to understand what it is like to have cramps and bleed from the pussy every month.
pofkaf 1y ago
That's a valid assessment. The opposite is true too: men don't understand how difficult it is for a woman to nail down a high-value man.
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
True Pofkaf
Women's problem is they are looking for a guy (better) than them.
sex is easy for them to obtain with High value guys, LTR, not so much, with these guys.
Lower guys, sure they can get a LTR, but the more time they spend with the HVM, it's not good for them.
Like, if a guy is having sex and casual relationships with a string of girls who are 9-10. Then he meets a nice girl, but she's a 6.
You think he's gonna stay with the 6?
Maybe, but for how long?
It messes you up, but these girls don't want to admit it.
But, tough to blame them, everyone wants what they want right. It's fun having casual sex with hot guys, why shouldn't they? They aren't thinking long term, how it would impact them,etc.
Girls would tell you that, Love is all they care about, not Lust.
But, try to tell the guy who's a 6, who knows she's been with 9-10 guys, that she also Lusts for him.
Ya, ok girl.
then why were you with those guys who were 8+? hmmmm? Dead bedroom awaits you my boy.
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
it's good to reflect on what the (other) side views in their life, their experience.
You are correct. Women don't value sex, it's easy access to them, they can easily get guys to Fuck them.
The biggest issue , especially with modern social media and Tinder,etc, is they have easy access to guys way above them for sex and the Feminist movement say's they should take full advantage of that, you go girl.
so, the girls who do take full advantage, end up being with guys way above them, for sex. They get used to it, get accustomed to certain things, like a hot bod, a big D, etc.
Then, when they want an actual LTR, they don't get what they have had. It messes those girls up.
Some girls get it, some don't.
Some girls understand, I"m a 6, this guys' a solid 8, he's not gonna stay with me. But it's fun, while I have him, I know he's gonna move on.
some girls, totally don't get it, they over estimate themselves, they don't understand, the guy is just having with them, it's sex.
I read girls on blogs like purplepill that actually admit, yup, I go after hot guys, why should I go after an avg guy. I'm not gonna settle and If I can't get a guy like this to LTR me, at least I'm still having fun.
Yup, that girls gonna make some guy's life wonderful, eh?
Like pofkaf says below, woman have difficulty nailing down a HVM. That's what they complain about.
Men complain about getting sex
Women complain about getting relationships (with guys they actually want)
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Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
Exactly.
That's why if I was young, I"d just have fun. Keep improving, focus on what I want.
If I feel like getting a LTR, I'd sure as hell vet the girl and take my sweet time about it. That girl would have to prove to me, she lusts for me, she knows she can't get better and/or "she found the prize" and treats me like it.
I also, "won't" be providing for her. She has to earn her way.
Otherwise, why bother.
Durek_The_Bald 1y ago
"Women don't care about the struggle, they hang out at the finish line and fuck the winners"
Bill Burr
wswZtyqNGQ 1y ago
If your only experience of a video game is watching the world record speed-run video, you simply cannot understand how much effort goes into getting that fucking good.
imtranscending 1y ago
If you get into a conversation with a woman about this, she'll often say "there are lots of lonely women out there" or "well women get rejected by men!" That's when you have to break it down for them, sometimes my mom forgets this. It's just not natural for them to have empathy for men and see it from our perspective on these subjects.
Positive-Lifeguard80 1y ago
It's the young low SMV guy's grind, they don't see. I was on it once, too. But at about age 25 a switch flipped inside me and I decided to invest the 10,000 hours into myself, getting my shit together. So I did the grind, just not by chasing tail. That paid off much better, but it also paid off on the SMP, as an added free bonus. The strategy was a total win.
So if I could go back, I would tell 20 years old me: Just flip the switch right now and arrive five years earlier. Young hot pussy waits at the finish line. But 20 years old me wasn't red-pilled. He believed in Disney marriage.
Needless to say, that unlike in my 20s I now care more for the things I'm invested in, than I care for women. Even old one-itises start bouncing back, while I no longer give a fuck, because I'm completely focused on my next gig, my next big milestone, because there waits a much bigger reward than a simple revenge fuck. Or being a beta provider for an aging woman young me would have pedestalized like no more. That's no longer a priority. I don't see myself having a family.
That's the reason why peak SMV for men is that late. The 20:1 approach to lay ratio is still in effect, but you just don't put in any effort. The women do.
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whytehorse2021 1y ago
I dunno. I gotta go eat my sushi, take my kids to D&D, hit up the bar wenches, and put my dick in my wife for a couple hours. IDGAF what women think.
Lionsmane8 1y ago
Someone here has indeed reached enlightenment.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
FYI the bar wench was ugly AF and I got drunk so I don't remember if I fucked my wife but my dick smelled like pussy the next morning.
Edit: Now that I think about it I handled the sushi with my fingers so there's a possibility the pussy smell on my dick is actually fish from rosy palm and her 5 sisters.