Go back in evolutionary tens of thousands of years, before bows and arrows and agriculture. We are talking only 10,000 years ago agriculture was invented which is the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. And of course it’s certainly no time at all in terms of evolutionary psychology which is relevant for mating which if you’re on this subreddit you probably care about.
How did you kill an animal before bows and arrows? You outran it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting
Yup, you read that right. Check out that Wikipedia page. You want to be the alpha male? Sure you had to defend against neighboring warring tribes, maybe compete for physical dominance within your own tribe. But if you wanted to be valuable to the tribe, you couldn’t just be this hunky dude that gets winded easily after running for a little bit. You had to be able to run long distances to survive and be a valuable person, and therefore a valuable mate.
Any of you who are suffering from depression at all, it is HIIT/cardio/running that is going to get you out of the slump, not lifting. Don’t do this for chicks, do this for you. But trust me no girl wants a depressed dude, it makes no evolutionary sense.
Red pill says number 1 rule is lifting. When I had the most mojo in my life (in early college) I was running at least 2 miles a day. I took a 9-5 job and I stopped running cause I thought I had no time for it. But according to many of the people on Asktrp and theredpill, they say “oh don’t worry just lift.” Well I stupidly took their advice. My SMV plummeted and I tried everything but my mojo was just never like before.
Finally I went against the mainstream thought in theredpill about running. I began running 2 miles a day again. The cognitive benefits are waaaay better than lifting.
I’m not saying not to lift. Do it. But you can’t leave out running. If you can’t find time then make time. And run hard. If you have a treadmill go at the fastest speed you can at the highest incline. Push yourself. It’s so worth it.
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Running is so under-ratted. All the people I have met who are into lifting advice not to run cause according to them if you do it too much you ill lose muscle mass.
However, when I tried running it was the best. There is nothing like running. it makes your whole body light, improves your posture, mood and a full body work out. It won't give you muscle mass but the days when I don't run I feel like my full body is not activated.
schmolch 4y ago
IMHO the most important factor is effort and intensity. Running offers the advantage that you can't do it without a significant amount of effort while it is pretty easy to become lazy in the gym or on the bike.
_nein_danke 4y ago
Wow its weird you posted this, I've wanted to post this same thing for a while.
For me it comes down to this: if you want to improve your mental health than do CARDIO, not LIFTING. You really hit the nail on the head with this and it's really irked me for a while that lifting is the go to on TRP.
I at one point was swimming 3 miles a week, 66 lengths of the 25m pool I go to and I was feeling GREAT! I felt confident, calm and effective. Fast forward, I now lift 2/3 times a week and I do not have half the confidence I had before, despite the fact my body looks way better. I now am going to lift just two days a week and start swimming again, you've actually given me the motivation so thanks for that dude.
TLDR: CARDIO is way better for your MENTAL HEALTH than lifting. End of.
monsieurhire2 4y ago
Don't forget to mention the following regarding running:
Also, there are other forms of cardio you can invest in: swimming (salt pools if you can), punching a heavy bag, faster paced dancing, sports that don't involve high risk to your body, jumping rope, etc.
banana_apple_pear 4y ago
Cardio exercise also helps you gain more muscle from lifting, and I can imagine having good cardio leads to better performances in the bedroom as well.
Mark_Milligosh 4y ago
Op's bro science aside, I've done lifting, striking combat sports, and long-distance running. Distance running (less than an hour a day for most workouts) is the healthiest imo: pure lifting would cause me to be in awful cardio shape, and sparring has the potential to be super bad for the brain (if you want to be a good amateur fighter you have to spar often, and if you want to learn you have to mess up aka get hit in the face a LOT). Downsides however are not being yoked (though I could lift on the side, I'm just lazy tbh), and having less T, as your body generates more by pushing heavy weight or fighting (both from what I've read, and what I've felt personally). HIIT is solid as well (maybe the best option actually, as it will get you all the benefits except looking big). Also, I'm becoming a big fan of yoga (no homo lol), as I (and a lot of "macho" guys) tend to run our bodies into the ground and work our muscles to death without adequate recovery. Stretching the main muscle groups does wonders to relax the mind, and provides this inexplicable renewing energy esp. during a period of hard/relentless training
drallcom3 4y ago
Stepmaster is pretty good for cardio and easy on your joints.
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BJJ is a martial art, and you’re very unlikely to develop brain trauma over a lifetime of doing it.
Boxing for cardio (no fighting in a ring, just boxing a bag or a partner with a shield) is also very good and unlikely to damage you if you keep correct form.
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Pussyshack 4y ago
Be sure to wear the yoga pants to class like all the bitches so you can have the full experience.
Mark_Milligosh 4y ago
I usually wear basketball shorts and go commando; easiest way to establish dominance
whatever9855 4y ago
Can you link to good info on the stretching?
Pussyshack 4y ago
Go to the gym & ask the nearest thot that's doing bullshit stretches with 5lb weights that she can do at home.
It'll be faster than goggle.
Battagliare 4y ago
Boxing isnt that bad if u dont want to be a Professional/amateur fighter and just do it for hobby and exercise.
TheRedPillRipper 4y ago
Yoga's next on my list. Can confirm; running is the goods. For context I've got a Rugby background so for the last 15 odd years my body was conditioned for more explosive, powerful movement patterns. Got into obstacle racing 3 years ago and honestly I've never felt fitter. My six pack was decent but my physique went to a different level since I took to half-marathon and marathon length obstacle courses.
I'll never willingly stop lifting heavy but I recently found passion in and respect for endurance racing and running in general. The SpartanRace^TM was definitely my favourite so far. If you're interested it's worth a try.
Godspeed and good luck!
strengthenics 4y ago
I agree with this, OCRs are the shit! I started off just running them for fun but eventually got good enough to be able to compete in my age group and place top 10 a good amount of times. This year my goal is to place top 3 at Spartan or Savage race.
I highly recommend OCR for anyone who is into lifting and running, I can pretty much guarantee you will be hooked!
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Mark_Milligosh 4y ago
bc it's funny, hence the "lol"
someonesopinion6969 4y ago
this is trp. masculinity is questionable
E_Anonymous 4y ago
You can do combat sports like BJJ and even Muay Thai/boxing and avoid a lot of sparring. Hitting bags works the aggression pretty well.
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E_Anonymous 4y ago
Yeah your right I meant striking. Yes you should be rolling everytime if you do BJJ.
CreateANewAccount___ 4y ago
The problem with that is drills will only get you so far in having applicable experience. You need live-fire training to be comfortable in executing techniques and maintaining composure in a real fight.
E_Anonymous 4y ago
I agree but you can also soft spar. You go 80% unless the other guy has a prove it problem. Then don’t spar with him again. The best guy I ever sparred he put his hands down an I still couldn’t hit him. When you get good enough to read punches then you are the one in control in a fight.
TheRealShafron 4y ago
What does HIIT stand for? High Intensity Training?
Mistbourne 4y ago
High Intensity Interval Training.
For running, this often means sprinting for X amount of time, then walking/jogging for Y amount of time. Repeat for Z amount of reps.
Think of it as the weight lifting of cardio. All about explosive movement/short term vs endurance.
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MAureliusTRP 4y ago
so i always thought it was that, but i've been seeing more and more work outs where people are doing other shit? like jumping jacks for x, rest for y, then pushups for x, rest for y
boblargecock 4y ago
But nobody wants to look like a skinny distance runner. Running is good but you still need to lift.
zeeshans14 4y ago
Exactly. A physique like Mo Farah won't help you attract the ladies. It's important to strike a balance!
Cheeseking11 4y ago
I do a mixture of weight training and dancing to get my balance of anaerobic and aerobic exercise. I do sports the odd time also.
Running isn't exactly sexy but it is good for your fitness. I personally can't stand running just for the sake of running so I'd prefer to play sports that bring enjoyment and the aerobic exercise plus it's good social proof if you're good at the sport e.g. soccer.
Dancing for me is the sexy aerobic exercise as it is sexy and increases your fitness - dance for an hour straight and you'll know what I mean. When I say dancing I don't mean mindless dancing in a nightclub, I mean serious Smooth and Rhythm dancing. Professional dancers are fit and flexible plus most definitely have large sex appeal. Most of the women involved are model tier good looking too.
If you can deadlift 500 pounds then knock out a competitive level Tango or Salsa routine for 30 minutes you won't be worried about picking up women.
Dancing is a mating ritual since the dawn of man.
NoSpeakCanadiano 4y ago
Nah, my father was a runner, now his knees are shot. It's terrible for your knees with the high impact, you're better off cycling.
ConfidentActuator 4y ago
Most importanly: DO SOMETHING. Lifting is TRP cookie cutter and I'd definitely recommend it for whole host of reasons but there's myriad of other physical stuff one can do, be it running, fighting, hiking, climbing, yoga, goddamn pilates if you want. Just be consistent. Anything goes and every real life experience counts while making you a better version of yourself compared to the version sitting at the computer and reading theories on reddit.
PS: I lift and run.
saulbarrera 4y ago
College Runner Here, Ive been training extensively in long distance running and continue to lift with it as well. If you have the time its a beautiful combination. The cognitive benefits of running are so much higher than the benefits of lifting sorry but its true. BDNF 'brain derived neurotrophic factor" ,possible endocannabinoids receptor activation theres nothing like it. I currently run more than 4miles+ a day and have a lift session in the afternoon. It makes you feel calm, awake, opioid like confident not arrogant. Start with half to 1mile if your new and build up weekly and pace fellas, pace!
Psychological_Radish 4y ago
Those guys were the ancient version of the Beta Bucks.
The crux of your fallacious thinking is that Alpha-Beta is not an inter-species competition. It's an intra-species contest. What good does running do in that regard? If running were sexy, the most attractive male body would be pretty skinny. The only benefit to running in a fight with a stronger man is that you're able to flee...a pretty Beta thing to do, obviously.
Go ahead and run if it makes you feel good. But it won't help you get laid, except indirectly as part of a fat loss routine or something of the sort. Only lifting can turn you into Chad.
kinggrainville 4y ago
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By all means lift. I never said don't lift. I said lift and run.
Psychological_Radish 4y ago
Of course the two aren't mutually exclusive. You can be both strong and fast, or be strong and have high endurance. And so on and so forth. Nothing wrong with that. I didn't say that running = weak.
What I do say is that running =/= female arousal. There is no evidence that running ability correlates positively with sexual success. There is, however, a mountain of evidence that muscularity is strongly associated with sexual success. Therefore your assertion that "lifting is not nearly enough: RUN!" is wrong on its face and we don't need to waste any more time on it.
adminsaregayniggers 4y ago
don't use a bunch of roided up buck niggers as an example for the supposed benefits of running
swampbastard69 4y ago
If you are trying to get bigger do not run at all. Running puts the body in a catabolic state. Lift, eat, walk 3 times per day, and sleep. If you just want to be 'fit' yes run.
hazelstein 4y ago
RUN your way to the GYM. Simple
xKalista 4y ago
I've done this for a while, do it.
kenpachitz 4y ago
Run to my home gym in the next room. Got it.
hazelstein 4y ago
Make sure you get whole 8 rounds of your house
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CarlosNeedsAHat 4y ago
I used to run pretty much every day, but I switched to swimming every day and running once or twice a week. Swimming is easier on the joints, you work more muscle groups, and unlike running where you have to deal with a variety of surfaces and weather conditions, the pool is always the same 25m and 88ºF, so I know my PRs are legitimate and not because I had a 15MPH tailwind or something.
SKRedPill 4y ago
Lifting for the muscles, running and HIIT for the heart and yoga and stretching for the ligaments, and calisthenics for compound strength. Swimming is great. So is biking.
It's a good life with so many options. I don't see why people are so opinionated about these things. Plenty of people can lift heavy and also have endurance in absolute numbers.
And OP, don't kid about your attempts at lifting. I could already run 10 K before I started lifting (though my times were dreadful), and after lifting and HIIT, my running speed is significantly more. Runner's high is for real, but you know what, the real problem is that you aren't to happy to work indoors in one place.
What's with all of you guys that every one of you seems to be suffering from depression like it's some right of passage?
Auvergnat 4y ago
Here we go, another example of a guy who does activity X and, sure enough, activity X is somehow alpha.
You don’t get it kid. TRP tells people to lift because we’ve figured that women want to fuck masculinity and that physical strength is pure concentrated masculinity cue.
Run if you want. Or do yoga. Or crochet. Or play the bagpipe if that’s your thing. But don’t go thinking that your hobbie is somehow an activity that deserves special status in TRP theory. If it’s not something that feels typically masculine, then you’ve just got a hobbie on your hands.
_nein_danke 4y ago
He never, even once, asserted that it was "somehow alpha" or any more masculine than lifting.
So you lift so that women will fuck you? Congrats, maybe she wants you to do the dishes for her too? Get to it.
Auvergnat 4y ago
I know it may be strange to a TRP newbie but this sub used to be about sexual strategy, aka understanding women and capitalising on this information to fuck them. And the core principle is that it’s about being masculine, against the typical mainstream advice such as doing choreplay as you ironically suggest.
It may surprise you to know that I have many more interests in life but just fucking women, and that I go discuss those topics on more appropriate subs than one that is I consider is about understanding women so we can fuck them.
You may have decided TRP is a holistic/unified philosophy of life that advise every single aspect of your life. Perhaps you want to listen to TRP music and wear TRP clothes and do TRP meals. Well, not everyone think like that, especially those who’ve been here since a time when the PUA roots of TRP could still be felt.
To me this sub is just a well of practical information on how to understand women and fuck them. That’s all. And so to me, posts advising on the proper technique to poop TRP turds, or recommending activity X or Y that may be interesting but irrelevant to sexual strategy (or even counterproductive in the present case, as long distance running will fuck up your productive hypertrophy efforts) are simply off-topic.
_nein_danke 4y ago
Thanks for the essay, sperg.
gilly8885 4y ago
I can never find the balance. I'd rather be running than lifting. It'd be nice to have bigger muscles. It's either one or the other for me every day. Running has been a God send for me, it's my little treat every time. "ughh I can't believe you run every day, I hate running" is what I am always being told. I am addicted to the meditation it gives me and the awesome feeling I have when I am done.
Running sucks when you are just getting started. Get yourself an app. RunKeeper is what I use, it keeps track of your pace, distance and time. It's a nice little hobby to see if you can push yourself faster.
lala_xyyz 4y ago
HIIT is great, any program is fine. I recommend the 17 minutes program as outlined in this paper. Long-distance running is retarded though. Have you seen how those runners look like? Thanks but no thanks.
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st0ckholme 4y ago
I usually run along side of the path, usually on the grass or dirt.
teabagabeartrap 4y ago
How far do you run. after doing a marathon a few years back I know now exactly... my weight is too high to run more than 12km, if I go 14 I will have pain in the knee, 26 killed something in my knee for the rest of my life and the marathon fucked up things real bad.
Got 190 cm, 105kg, 17% bodyfat. Whatever anybody says I'm not "fat", but running with this weight is no option.
Why do you like to run?
I like it to carve out territories... like a wolf :D
Knowing the nature surrounding my hometown better... Now that I switched to bicycle, I can do more borders in one trip ;-)
cheesewindow 4y ago
Bad knees from running are usually a weak quad. There are four quads and one is directly above your knee and one runs from the side of your knee to around your hip. Have a look at quad strengthening exercises for these and also look at a knee support as this holds everything in position. I also use a foam roller when I remember.
Source: Me. I had knee problems, did research, strengthened my quads and now run with a knee support. 12 months no issues. 30-35km a week.
HornedBul 4y ago
knee pain may be due to a series of things, any specific advice here is just nothing more than speculation regarding your problem.
now, my speculation is this: most of the damage to the knees that happens from running is from the constant impact at each step. for now, you should stick to an activity that does not cause knee pain (low impact would be swimming for example, but the condition is that knees must not hurt) and seek a physical therapist to help you with your knees
ZachMeadows 4y ago
I'd say strengthen your knees.
squats with low load, high volume and slow eccentrics. Even bodyweight squats with slow eccentric should help.
BUT go see a doctor that specialize in sports and performances. He should point you towards the true nature of your pain and how to treat it.
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womans_algorithm 4y ago
Learn how to run the right way. Im serious.
MoDuReddit 4y ago
Yes, please, I strongly recommend Pose style running a.k.a. natural/barefoot running.
I went from needing heavy super padded sneakers, to now: I can run barefoot on concrete and dirt, with slippers or sneakers, and no injuries for years!
I did took me around 6-12 months to fully "convert" my running from the typical western stride (ankle/knee breaker stride).
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MoDuReddit 4y ago
I could link a wikipedia article, but that would be a shit source. I'm not endorsing buying a book, there's all the info available for free.
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MoDuReddit 4y ago
Don't read the book, it's shitty. It is however, the reference material by the original author.
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Look up some Youtube videos, there's lots of practical sports people who explain how to learn, the pain points, etc... If you need some specific advice, PM me.
10211799107 4y ago
You can't build a skyscraper on a shitty foundation. Base level strength will make your other activities way more easier because of increase in force production. If you don't even have a bodyweight squat and 1.5 x bw deadlift then in my opinion you're just avoiding hard work.
BobbyPeru 4y ago
I get a lifters high. If you aren’t, you’re need to bump up your lifting intensity
Huskiesdowhattheywan 4y ago
if you try to go at the fastest speed at the highest incline, you’ll last like 30 seconds assuming you don’t face plant first
kinggrainville 4y ago
I meant fastest you can do. I do 10.5mph speed at usually a 4 incline.
Elite athletes can do the top speeds on the treadmills though. Depends on the treadmill. The ones at my gym top out around 12.5 some cheaper ones on amazon 7.5.
Huskiesdowhattheywan 4y ago
i haven’t ran on a treadmill since high school so maybe you’re right, i always run outside. my point is that if you just turn everything up to max without learning to pace yourself you’re not gonna progress meaningfully.
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Rkingpin 4y ago
If you wanna run do HIIT with sprints. More efficienct for fat burn than that long distance shit
kinggrainville 4y ago
Op here, yes this is true. High speeds.
I see a lot of girls at the gym just walking at like 2-3 mph while chatting with their friends on the phone. This is not what I’m advocating to do at all. I’m talking pushing yourself so your sweating and out of breath towards the end. In other words, intense. Exhausting.
Uesugi1989 4y ago
HIIT is amazing. It will also improve your stamina while fucking
Protocol_Apollo 4y ago
That or even circuits with burpees, jumping squats, press ups, pull-ups and some rope stuff
HIIT>LISS imo. Saves time, burns more calories. Only thing is you can’t do it everyday on top of lifting
thoroughthinker 4y ago
HIIT on those speed treadmills that get faster the faster you run (the treadmills that are slightly curved). Or, better yet, hill sprints outside. Takes much less time than steady state cardio.
Non-Cookie-cutter 4y ago
But is much more taxing and a lot more likely to interfere with lifting .
(Also boring as fuck go do an actual real sport maybe boxing or football)
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celincelin 4y ago
And of course this is downvoted.
Since the retards here put women on pedestal, the only thing they care is if exercise makes them more attractive so that women finally accept them.
Such minutiae as cardiovascular health never enters the picture—again, the only thing they care is how quickly cardio burns fat, so that they finally can have a six pack, so that women finally accept them.
Interesting that the examples of real cavemen are easily accessible, as there are still primitive hunter-gatherers even now, and they aren’t any big, they mostly look like endurance runners indeed. But since it’s not alpha shmalpha broscience, it doesn’t count.
_A_L_3_X_ 4y ago
a healthy balance should be the goal. both cardio and lifting.
still running will wreck your knees, but the again lifting will too.
Cryptoguru777 4y ago
It will help you stay lean, but the core of lifting is to make you more appealing. Women like their men bigger, they want to feel small and secure with you. Hardly any girl likes a scrawny guy for his size. Combine lifting (primary) with running (secondary) or any other form of relevant cardio for optimal results.
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Optimal is to be between 7-10% bodyfat.
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silent_dominant 4y ago
Gotta build up that stamina for proper fucking though
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kinggrainville 4y ago
Everyone’s different perhaps.
I can only say that I read here what a lot of people who said the same thing you just wrote in your comment and so I wrote off running to my detriment. I hope people will at the very least try running seriously. Like try to push yourself to an elite level like a lot of bodybuilders do.
I’m not the only one who’s observed cognitive, social, mood and SMV boosting benefits. It surprises me that others do not encourage running, and I think you’re doing a disservice to people who might read your comment and not run when it could be what they really need.
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kinggrainville 4y ago
Yes, maybe not elite like Olympic athlete runner elite or NCAA cross country. More like: running harder than everyone at Planet Fitness and enough where you could chase down 90% of average joes. Or conditioning at a level of an elite boxer or MMA fighter or other elite athlete not in the field of running/sprinting where you can still KO/ fight intensely someone in the eleventh round or whatever
surfthroughlife 4y ago
After just running my second marathon, I can confidently say that running has changed my life in incredibly positive ways.
It teaches persistence and determination and is an incredible way to clear your mind.
Highly advised.
SalporinRP 4y ago
I agree with you for sure. The only problem with distance running is the ridiculous strain it puts on your lower body.
I box and when I'm training for a bout I'm running 4-5 miles 3 days a week, and doing HIIT sprints 2 days a week. I can already feel the damage it's doing to my knees lol.
Best cardio I've found is swimming although I hate every moment of it.
Mind_ripper 4y ago
Daniel Wolpert: The real reason for brains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s0CpRfyYp8
Lift weights, learn a martial arts, learn to dance, run, do yoga, have sex in multiple positions
iamthespectator 4y ago
It doesn't have to be running, any form of cardio works. My knees are fucked from running but I get plenty of cardio from kickboxing and sparring.
BumblingBeta 4y ago
Running puts significant stress on the joints. Weightlifting puts stress on the joints too, but weightlifting actually makes you look more attractive. Running might make you feel good, but it does jack shit for your appearance, especially long distance runners who look skinny and weak as fuck - not a good look for picking up women. Weightlifting makes you feel good AND look sexier. Win win.
If you really want to run, the best thing to do is sprints + weightlifting combined. Long distance running is a complete disaster, just never do it under any circumstances.
Swimming is actually a far better alternative to all these things. Swimming puts no stress on the joints and is a great cardiovascular workout.
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fdsafdasfdsafds 4y ago
+1 for swimming. Bonus is it might save your life one day, too.
evader9992 4y ago
Bro you are so fucking spot on. Anyone who was an ex-athlete likely fully agrees with you. Lifting is easy. The real alphaness comes from running, from pushing your body to those extremes that only the true winners will ever be willing to go to. It's not hard to throw a bit of weight above your body. Try shredding your lungs into oblivion on a hard run, if you want to know what winners are made of. You're completely right with this post.
But let's be honest, a lot of the guys on this sub have never exercised in their life. For them, lifting is what makes them stop feeling like a weakling. Ex-athletes understand that lifting isn't remotely difficult compared to all-out, lung-bursting cardio. But a lot of guys here will never get that, because they spent their entire lives doing zero exercise, and could maybe never even train their body to run with peak intensity. For them, lifting is enough to make them feel like a new person. They don't know about the next realm that comes with peak running, but that's ok, their T-levels are probably lower too. Can't blame them, everyone has their limit, and they won't push theirs to the max.
The truest alpha exercise IMO is all-out sprinting. Hill sprints if you can. Nothing comes close, if you've actually done it properly. Distance running is good too, but nothing can touch the all-out, nausea-inducing, limit-pushing level of sprinting.
TheGamersPad 4y ago
You have some gems in your argument that most people who started lifting never trained for a sport growing u p. And that most people's view of fitness is limited to lifting because that is what is in vogue right now.
Very few people have never and will never understand the pleasure of breaking someone's ankles in a sport like football, basketball, soccer. Most will never understand the pleasure of dunking on someone. Most will never understand the pleasure of outrunning someone in the open field. Most will never understand the pleasure of being coordinated enough to deliver incisive passes, shooting with accuracy.
I have seen this as a problem because a lot of guys who lift when they try to play a sport, they get owned by guys who dont look as strong but clearly have all the other skills necessary to succeed (explosiveness, coordination, sports specific IQ).
Casanova-Quinn 4y ago
Pushing your body to extremes is not exclusive to running.
Apples to oranges. Lifting and running can be hard in their own ways. Try deadlifting triple your bodyweight.
Yeah because "athletes" are not training for maximum strength or size. Strongmen, powerlifters, and bodybuilders are actually pushing their limits with weight training.
Listen, I'm not against running, but your argument is not accurate.
evader9992 4y ago
You're not going to want to hear this, but the fact is, powerlifters aren't real athletes. They're usually, if not exclusively, people who failed in any real sport. I'm not saying I'm better than them. I'm saying they're nothing compared to the top tier athletes in real, major sports that people watch. Bodybuilding is a totally different comparison, they don't even lift very heavy. And strongmen are good athletes, but just like with powerlifters a bit, they would have gone to the NFL if they could. They couldn't.
voomer53 4y ago
Here's some advice from a boomer: Don't overdo it..you will need those knees and hips later in life..and don't try to lose weight by exercising, your diet is way more important than your activity level.
womans_algorithm 4y ago
Important note: learn HOW to run. So many people run heels first, and then have joint pain few years in. I remember reading that 70% people who run for hobby, have problems with knee joints.
Tacale 4y ago
Thanks for the tip? Do you know what the most important aspects of good running are to stop potential knee or other injuries?
Mark_Milligosh 4y ago
building up mileage gradually, running on non-cement surfaces (trails/tracks)
PercyBluntz 4y ago
Good technique is the biggest thing. Land with your foot flat to the ground, your tibia perpendicular to the ground and your knee slightly bent. Your center of mass should move forward as much as possible and not vertical. Runners frequently have weak hips which causes pelvic instability which can lead to pain all the way down the lower extremity. Strengthen your hips a lot. If you can get video of your running from the side and the back you can see a lot of these things roughly. If you want more detail go to a running clinic or a sports physical therapy clinic and they should have the technology and knowledge to help you get your form right.
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MoDuReddit 4y ago
See my other reply for forefoot running (Pose method). Once I migrated technique, I never went back.
PercyBluntz 4y ago
Yeah perhaps that's better for performance, I'm not really updated on the literature in terms of improving performance. However the literature is not decisive in terms of forefoot vs midfoot strike for injury prevention. For the recreational runner the key is really just to ensure avoiding heel strike so I wouldn't recommend aiming for a forefoot strike for a recreational runner whose primary goals are fitness and avoiding injuries.
MoDuReddit 4y ago
Heel strike is the cause of most running related injuries, as far as I remember.
Isbjornsolo 4y ago
The most common injury is where the foot lands in relation to the hip. Even if you heel strike, but the heel is under the hip you'll reduce the risk of injury to normal levels. Although the best is a mid-foot or fore foot depending on speed etc.
A big problem with runners is weak hips as mentioned, I've seen big improvements in form since going back in the gym.
MoDuReddit 4y ago
Just like any other sport, running requires physical fitness. Non-heel strike requires an even higher physical form, but makes up for it by doubling your running efficiency.
PercyBluntz 4y ago
I was talking about forefoot vs. midsole striking. You're right that heel strike is a large cause of running related injuries which I pointed out in my comment.
teveza11 4y ago
I HATE running, unless I'm playing sports.
The running that I is SPRINTING, it works better and is faster than running several miles.
Vikingcel 4y ago
Can't wait for the new fad of 'just run, bro' as a fix for everything.
theyreallinonit2 4y ago
Found out my girl was cheating on me
'just run, bro'
Found out I was about to be a father of another guys kid
'just run, bro'
yeah that works.
prefer riding though, not to keen on constant high impact exercise, running wasn't done every single day, the post references persistence hunting etc, hunts could last for days yes, but then when the hunt was over they did not go out running the next day for the hell of it, they rested until the meat was gone and that was the amount of time it took to consume the meat at the very least plus if preservation of meat through salt etc was available time between these kinds of runs or any other running would of been longer than the hunt itself more than likely.
antariusz 4y ago
I spent the last 6 years exclusively lifting (around the time I discovered Reddit and TRP).
Before that it was being skinny fat or “Air Force fat (aka pushups sit-ups and run are great but I looked like shit because of a shit diet).
Lifting is better than running for appearance and getting laid. No doubt. But I just got a Garmin watch for outdoor camping and I was shocked at how high my resting heart rate had become, I decided to start the 5k program immediately. There needs to be a balance. I want to continue living long enough to enjoy fucking girls 15+ years younger than me.
lala_xyyz 4y ago
this is crucial. the picture is not black or white folks. personally I prefer short sprints (100 meters or less) in a HIIT scenario, incline treadmill fast walking, high-level elliptical or the stairmaster. I abhor running in general because of the pressure it exerts on your knees and foot once you gain any sizeable muscle mass - your joints are simply not built to withstand that kind of pressure in the long run. so I build cardio other way.
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kinggrainville 4y ago
Red pill doesn’t say lifting will solve everything. It basically says: -it helps you take control of your life -gets you to stop feeling sorry for yourself and build pride in your body in hard work -see a progression -women like muscles -muscles earn men’s respect -host of other things/benefits
Lifting just a first step and a foundational habit to build upon. People who come here initially are in different places but the advice to lift gives a solid foundation on which to build other things like the somewhat elusive concept of “frame”.
All I’m saying is running from my personal experience has just as many if not more benefits than lifting. I’ve seen ripped dudes struggle with women. I think the number one rule of red pill should be lift+run with perhaps more emphasis on running since lift is all over. And probably martial arts too if possibly but that’s another post.
gulag_disco 4y ago
Temporary runner highs was how I broke my depressive cognition habits. Occasionally a lifting session will take me deep enough where I feel like dropping down on all fours and taking down a gazelle. Running is a near 100%.
mickJagermeisterr 4y ago
As someone with knees that creak / make noises (like the cartilage is a bit spent) but does not feel any pain at all and can lift just fine: is long distance running recommended?
TheEgyptianConqueror 4y ago
It's all about barefoot too. It's so much better for you. Less impact, fewer injuries. Ease into it, then it's smooth sailing
LeatherBoundWisdom 4y ago
I do exactly this plus lifting. Both are important. Running helps you, not feel alpha, but keep in control of your life. After I run I'm calm, collected, clear headed, and focused. Sometimes I'll go home from work and feel like breaking my diet or binging on crap or even breaking nofap, then I know "I need to run today or I'll go insane" and after a run I'm always better.
Irtotallynotrobot 4y ago
Aye, see you at Boston! I love running and big distance, long runs. You can't do them forever but a few years of marathon level training is a ton of fun. Make sure to taper off as you get older so your joints don't vanish.
Mind_ripper 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICNaSah5bAs
SoyTanto 4y ago
I’ve been been loving the row machine in the gym as a form of cardio. It really is full body including mental. Cardio and weight resistance.
halfback910 4y ago
Running is fine if you accept the fact that you'll need to get knee replacements.
You're right: Our bodies were made to run... for about forty years. Then die.
Imperator_Red 4y ago
Haha people forget this. Every skeleton discovered from the Stone Age is completely fucked up with overuse injuries.
halfback910 4y ago
Yeah. They didn't have titanium replacements, though. So we've got that at least!
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red_matrix 4y ago
Running outside is a great way to get some fresh air and clear your mind. I do it once a week, it's a great mood enhancer and good way to mix up the workouts .
Anonymous-O 4y ago
Except if you are already really skinny then running will make you disappear. Don't overdo the cardio, man. Get a balance between that and weight lifting.
kinggrainville 4y ago
Really skinny needs to eat more and lift too. There’s ways to make it work without neglecting running.
MoDuReddit 4y ago
It's impracticle when your body doesn't cooperate. I had a really skinny buddy and need literally to eat kilos of pasta everyday and workout for years, before any significant increase in muscle volume.
papapinga 4y ago
This is immensely true all of y’all thinking nothing but easy pussy and weights don’t know the purpose of redpill.
Red pill is about making better men, not PUA bs. Running helps you stay fit and CAPABLE. Yea you lift a lotta rocks but you can’t even catch up to that punk who just jacked your shit. And that’s just a basic example why to run/sprint.
So why not do both?
Just google David Goggins then come back to this
teabagabeartrap 4y ago
Because running killed my knee and lifting fixed the pain there and in the lower back.
If you are 190cm and 105kg, running is not an real good option.
ZachMeadows 4y ago
Your body should be able to handle itself no matter its metrics.
At 190cm and 105kg, if fit and healthy, you should be able to sprint several times in a row. Maybe not fast, or not for long, but you should be able to.
Exactly like dips, pullups, or deep step-ups, that's the bare minimum you should be able to do with your body. In my opinion of course.
teabagabeartrap 4y ago
Thanks for your thoughts.
as I wrote in another comment: I did some marathon running and everything over 12km hurts... The dose makes the poison.
I can do all the mentioned from you, but I found out for myself, that especially running hurts more that it helps if done too much.
ZachMeadows 4y ago
That clears some points. You obviously listen to your body and act accordingly.
papapinga 4y ago
Did I say to not lift? Lift and swim then dude, do something along with only pushing rocks lol.
If you didn’t even bother googling David Goggins don’t even talk anymore. Dude finished a top 100 mile race in the world weighing 270+ pounds at your height, so that bullshit about 105 kilos, (ain’t even that crazy heavy) get that noise outta here.
teabagabeartrap 4y ago
Who hurt you? :'( /s
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nah, we are fine, don't understand me wrong. But you brought it up yourself. yes it ain't crazy heavy, but it was enough to be an issue. And I wasn't the only one in my runners group.
I didn't google him, because I heard of him already. And the most important thing imho here is, that he was a military person before. So he had continously training of his leg muscles that help out this knees since he is what? 19? So his Job as a military person was to be fit. Full time job. Paid to be fit. You can't compare the same things he did to an average joe, maybe doing a desk job and starting TRP because of a shattered oneitis.
I'm still standing at the point, that I think in my humble optionen (subjective! DING DING DING) that lifting is something you can start all over on every age and has a lot of benefits you can recommend to everyone... but running... is indeed, or better, can be a very two sided sword if recommended to the wrong person (e.g. if too heavy and not trained). I would always advise swimming or bicycling as an safer option.
papapinga 4y ago
Alright I’ll give you the respect cuz you mention cycling or swimming at least, but dude read about David Goggins, the fact you mention his military experience as evidence of “fitness” is totally laughable
. He sat on his ass all day during his first military stint, ballooned to 300 pounds, ate like shit and did nothing for years, then decided to join the Navy Seals. Oh and he had a hole in his heart for years doing all the savage shit he did
Non-Cookie-cutter 4y ago
Fighting or other sports >>>>>> doing conditioning (like running) and never actually using ) it because you don’t play sports .
Cardio is a meme overdone by stereotypical roided freaks who would tear their shoulders off trying to throw anything overhand .
Leave the treadmill for women .
Uesugi1989 4y ago
The thing is, I don't lift/run to use my strength outside the gym. I just want to look ripped, whi cares what your fighting capacity is, I haven't fought since middle school
Non-Cookie-cutter 4y ago
it’s better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in war (or something like that )
I haven’t either but only a fool would deny the importance of being able to knock someone out . The world is not all sunshine and rainbows , and I’m not legally allowed to carry any sort of effective weapon for self defense . It’s funny that you take pride in wanting to be all show and no go though
Also being able to fight makes it significantly less likely for someone to try to start a fight with you.
kinggrainville 4y ago
“Treadmill for women”-this kind of comment is what leads to a mocking of theredpill and its ideas not being taken seriously. You’ll find tons of videos on YouTube of elite athletes in all sports from NFL to UFC running on treadmills.
Yes fighting is good but if you’re going to be an elite warrior fighter it will require conditioning. Only a fraction of professional fights end in a quick knock out sucker punch. Many fights are decided in the late rounds and are determined by endurance. If you’ve actually trained mma or boxing, hell even watched these sports, you’ll realize that to do these sports well you have to be in elite shape. Otherwise you’ll have no gas in the final rounds. Watch Floyd Mayweather, considered on of the greatest fighters of all time, train here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KHwlu5en0qg.
It’s one thing to play around with your buddies on the basketball or tennis courts. Sure if you’ve been sitting on your ass playing Warcraft then this is a better step then nothing. But the stereotypical Chad in high school is an elite athlete, that’s for a reason. If you want to be chad and aren’t already and want to try something that worked for all the “natural” Chad’s getting in intense shape isn’t a bad idea. Competition would be good, especially in a fighting sport to cultivate that fighting instinct.
Pusikur 4y ago
Yeah but they are on juice
Non-Cookie-cutter 4y ago
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I ve actually fought before so don t tell me basic shit i already know. You clearly haven t even trained let alone sparred hard before because you would know that s more than enough cardio . Athletes do cardio on it s own because their sport can be too taxing and they need more work .
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No one in this sub is gonna be doing the amount of endurance work floyd is doing , and you don t want to do it either .
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Again , go play sports , **LEAVE THE TREADMILL TO WOMEN**
nobody_thinks 4y ago
I've been on and off treadmills most of my life and find the comment "leave the treadmill for women" to be both hilarious and accurate. Typical gym is full of lazy lard ass women and a few obese males "power walking" on treadmills.
I used to enjoy blowing out these fat fucks with sprints with the treadmill at or near max. I've stopped using them because it takes the edge off my lifts. Or I'm too tired after my lifts. It was a lazy way to squeeze in HIIT before or after lifting. As I got more serious about lifting I realized that it was counter productive.
If you want to do running / HIIT right, you should do it on no-lifts day and do it in nature. Sprints in the fresh air surrounded by trees is nice. Old pair of sneakers. Sunshine. Birds.
ZachMeadows 4y ago
Exactly, the mental effect running outdoors has surpasses the cardiovascular effect of the treadmill. Even with sprints.
Uesugi1989 4y ago
I used to agree on that but not anymore. Try some top running shoes like the Nike pegasus turbo or ultraboost 19 and running will get much more enjoyable
MoDuReddit 4y ago
Disagree, long term effects of using super padded sneakers includes injuries.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
true. but all my old sneakers are like that.
teabagabeartrap 4y ago
Upvoted but I disagree on the sneakers... some asics shoes from last year, because they are very fine and cost nearly nothing compared to the "new and groundbreaking shit" from this year....
MoDuReddit 4y ago
Learn forefoot running, then you'll be able safely run literally barefoot.
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