I've been single for a few months now, had mixed results with dating around. Tinder has been a gem for me and have met quite a few women. TRP/AMS/Darius have all been lifechanging for me and I would never be in this position without it.
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Here's the thing.
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For 3 of the women that I met, I needed to do nothing at all. Period.
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What I noticed.. Sometimes, you just come across a woman who, for whatever reason, is blown away by you. It could be your style, voice, frame, behaviour, car, hair, teeth or even jokes. For these women absolutely 0 game was needed and while I will continue to hold frame, it takes close to no effort to keep them around. These are solid 7.5's (blond hair, blue eyes, good career and fit) which I know could get a ton of guys within a minute, yet they stick around. Why, I do not know.
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So what does this mean? It probably won't last forever, however, although I like a challenge, these women are perfect to have around. No manipulation, no game, no headaches, not faking anything, just a good time and sex.
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Why go for a girl with low interest? Obviously these women are high interest women and it gives much more peace of mind knowing this. Dating women and having a rotation can be a full time job if you let it be, and that is not healthy. We (speaking for myself mostly) tend to obsess over women, sex and spinning plates. Just stick with the low hanging fruit if you already have options.
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Save yourself the headaches. Low interest women can go fuck theirselves. Literally.
McVaghunter 6y ago
This is a great strategy yet people in the comments are too lazy to do the hard work needed for this strategy to work properly. A man should maintain a very high SMV so that his high interest girls will also be of a high SMV.
It's sad to see people in TRP say shit like "You eventually need game with all women if you are talking LTR", deep down they still want that comfy monogamous loving relationship with their special girl to cuddle with and hold them tight at night... Bunch of low SMV pussies.
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The problem is AWALT. Or rather AWAreallyLTdespitehidingitwell.
It's easier to pick up 7+'s these days because thanks to Instagram men compare themselves and under-rate themselves too visciously so the 7+'s get hit on less and less. All the 9's I have known complain they never get hit on...because so many 6's are telling men they aren't worth their time. You used to shrug it off but now you compare yourself to that 6's ex and he's a 21 year old student with an 8 pack and you just can't compete as you are too busy building your "brand" to go to the gym 8 hours a day.
I don't even speak to 8's anymore as I would rather MGTOW than have to settle for someone, not to mention 7/8's tend to actually BE NICER to spend time with these days.
It's like, bruce banner doesn't talk shit about how he can fuck people up, cos he is the Hulk and the Hulk just DOES. If you have it, you don't need to flaunt it. Go on a date with a 9 and the date is great. Go on a date with a 6 and she's on her fucking phone the whole time.
Nevertheless drop your gaurd just once and it's AWALT time.
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bsutansalt 6y ago
This tracks to my bell curve observation I came up with years ago. Some women will naturally be attracted and interested whereas some won't no matter how perfect your game and good looking and whatnot. Most women are going to be in the middle and could be interested if you put in the work and have tight game.
The more you improve yourself, the more women will naturally be interested in you on that end of the spectrum/bell curve.
Most of the guys who run pickup in my experience find success mainly because by going out and making thousands of approaches they're just more likely to run into the women who are naturally interested. It's damn difficult to flip a woman from ambivalent to interested, so focusing on your strengths and the women who are into you be default should be where you should focus your energy.
Think of it in terms of the Pareto Principle. 80% of your results come from 20% of your effort. Think about all your past successes: odds are most came without having to put in a ton of work. Now you know why.
jacksonvilles 6y ago
I've been saying this for years.
People are like ''TylerRSD banging that model proves that game is all you need. Looks don't matter'' and i'm thinking ''No. He gets rejected a TON. He admits it himself. As do most PUA's. What it proves is that if you approach enough girls, you're likely to find one who's hot and who thinks you're hot, too. And from that point it's easy to bang ('don't fuck up' game), just as it's easy to bang MOST guys if you're very good looking''
Yep. In fact, i'd say it's basically impossible (on a cold approach, and depending on just how much she's not interested). The fact that there's thousands of infielsd out there and basically none of someone banging a girl who, after he opened was like 'Ewww...can you go away! YOu're not my type. Bye!!'' and tries to walk away, speaks volumes. People, including PUA's, bang girls who are basically somewhat into them from the very second they make eye contact. One can't force a girl to be attracted no matter how much game they've read
ChrimsonChin988 6y ago
Right on the money. Though it should emphasized that 'not needing game' (almost) only Works when you're of (sifnificantly) higher SMV than the girl. Not needing game happens in 2 scenario's. You're of far superior SMV or you're her 'type'. You can control the first, not the second. Thinking about this stuff is a waste of time, just focus on increasing SMV.
greenlittleman 6y ago
The main thing is - when you try to actively do something to change a woman's interest you tend to lose your frame and become needy. In this way you will "scare away" even those women who were DTF from the start, leaving only most desperate ones or those who are REEEALLY into you. Almost all unattractive behaviour patterns are mostly based on attempts to change woman's opinion, to make her like you. And it is low value behaviour which is unattractive. High value man don't try to change woman's interest level. Your frame should be - "either she meet my expectations and standards, or I will next her". The secret is - being like this is the best way to maximise amount of women who wants you. It gives you all right behavioural traits - confidence, non-neediness, dominance, etc.
aahanatrey 6y ago
Bruh you just blew my mind
Whopper_Jr 6y ago
I wonder what role menstrual cycle plays in pickup/attraction, if any (particularly the ~2-day window of estrogen spike + ovulation).
bsutansalt 6y ago
It's considerable, as is the impact of The Pill.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 6y ago
Almost assuredly we've all run across the girl that is highly interested, recognized it and fucked it up somehow. Either by over gaming because you're an inexperienced idiot or getting flustered because you don't know what to do.
In these situations you are the pretty girl. They handle all of the work. They will ask you questions and talk constantly, they will follow you around if they can and all the other beta shit. There's only one thing you need to do. You have to break the barriers. You have to break the interaction barrier and the physical barrier. Everything else you don't need to worry about.
There's one moment in particular that stands out in my mind when I think of these "low hanging fruit" girls and me not taking advantage. I went to the grocery store after getting done at the gym. Right there in the drink aisle I see this thin cute girl from my gym. So while I'm there grabbing my drink I say to her, "hey, didn't I see you up at the gym?"
She unloads on me a bunch of questions. Doesn't even respond to what I said, just, "what high school did you go to?" uhhhh "Do you live around here?" ummmm "How long have you been working out there?" .... I gotta go.
I was so set in the mindset of the usual dynamic of flirting that when she started trying to endear herself to me I was so taken aback that I just bounced out of there. I've had other similar times since where a girl will just talk and talk and talk but now I know you just let her run and when the time is right, pull her in close.
THOT_Analytica 6y ago
All females are low hanging fruit if you play the right game.
teveza11 6y ago
You are going to be one of those guys who is a 9 or a 10, but ends up with 6s and 7s.
Not really much to be proud of.
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There are always lower quality girls who are interested in us.
But I'm not interested in picking up the lower quality, low hanging fruit.
I like the 8s-10s.
You eventually need game with all women if you are talking LTRs, because her temporary feeling of being "blown away" by you will fade.
What you don't realize, is your IDGAF attitude with these girls is what is considered game.
But if you continue your desire for the easier girls who are blown away by you, you'll be one of those guys who settles for girls who are below your SMV because you want the easy road.
Lots of guys who are 10s end up with mediocre girls. I see you as one of those guys in the future.
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The hottest girls are often with guys who are probably 7s or 8s, while the guys who are 9s and 10s are with mediocre ass girls, and you illustrate why.
Tidalnightmare 5y ago
This is an interesting phrase, and seems like you are saying a lot of guys settle for and remain with mediocre girls. This is probably true on the surface, but ignores the transient nature of a womans beauty; a 9-10 today will not be a 9-10 in 4 years time. Women get more mediocre as they age (and rapidly). A 9-10 will only every be in her early to mid 20s. You don't get 9-10s any older than that, so if you spend anything over than a few years with a woman who is currently peaking in attractiveness, her looks will have started to fade.
teveza11 5y ago
Which is why you better have a 10 with fading looks instead of a 5 with fading looks.
kray67 6y ago
While I agree with you 100%, low-hanging fruit doesn't necessarily have to mean low quality girls. It's that "fuck yeah" VS "fuck you" theory that's been discussed here loads of times. Essentially you're making the most of your most valuable asset: your time. If you start the interaction and the girl is not into you, rather than wasting your time and energy on changing her mind, just cut your losses and move on to the next one. That doesn't mean you only approach the fatties who are drooling over you and a plate of wings. That would make you a little bitch who's scared of rejection.
majani 6y ago
Some guys would rather play the game of love on easy mode. It's a reasonable goal to have.
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KeffirLime 6y ago
It's often a snowballing progression.
There's alot of guys on here who say they don't wanna bang anything other than the most attractive women when they're landing absolutely zip. For some reason they think they deserve premium women and nothing less.
The problem is if you're not landing the premium women you want then either your game, looks or frame is not up to scratch, and in my experience it's usually game. They have no clue how to talk to women because their only experience is getting batted by 10's(sometimes not even that, they're just hoping they'll land in his lap).
You have to build yourself up, learn how to be comfortable talking, flirting and teasing women. The only way to do this is by, well, talking to woman. Starting with the ones you know you can get, building up to better and better quality until you're landing the girls you want.
This way you internalize how to behave with women, you're comfortable and it's natural, so by the time you're going for 9's and 10's you've already landed a bunch of 8's. You're not trying to go from zero to hero.
meat-slinger 5y ago
first, abundance; then standards
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 6y ago
Yes. Absolutely. This is something that I think is very undervalued around here, the idea of ramping up. Those high quality women only seem to come out of the woodwork when you're knee deep in it anyway. Doesn't matter if it's 6s and 7s, you talk to that 10 the same way.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
I think you are 100% correct on this, and that was very uneasy for me to say.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
And honestly it isn't it like it matter or not the SMV level of the women you fuck casually except to you. A good share of TRP is about taking it easy. One night stand, game & plate, giving up as the first problem.
Only if you actually go for an LTR with a girl clearly above you does you with the plan that she'll stay with you forever do you really play on hard mode.
teveza11 6y ago
I have a lot of respect for your reaction. Sometimes we hit each other hard on this forum, but its to help with the truth.
-ThePathIsTheGoal- 6y ago
That’s how you know you just swallowed a big fat truth pill.
Pain -> growth
The_Belony 6y ago
Respect for not getting defensive amd accepting the criticism tho
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Thats what this is all about, essentially. When somebody puts up a mirror you better look at it.
Operator216 6y ago
Imo more dudes who post on here need to be this accepting of criticism
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Not all people on here are redpilled, or even desire to be. Some people read this information in complete disbelief or are undercover beta's/women.
qwertyuiop111222 6y ago
Wait, but why? Read everything incl the OP, but I'm too tired and am missing the point. Halp?
SnowMonkeyCracker 6y ago
I think he is trying to say top rank males can sometimes be lazy and go too far down the SMV ladder. While mid-rank males sometimes score better quality women than what the higher rank man is settling for.
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ThievesTreasureMap 6y ago
"Lots of guys who are 10s end up with mediocre girls. I see you as one of those guys in the future."
Why the fuck should your judgement of mediocre affect how he gets his dick wet?
THOT_Analytica 6y ago
Thing is only rare females are 9-10s. Most likely when someone mentions a 9-10 female it's an overrated 7-8 cumdumpster with demands.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
It shouldn't - but it doesn't hurt to know that if you can aim at your own level or higher, it can be rewarding to try rather than settle for less.
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That I learned today.
ThievesTreasureMap 6y ago
Do you really need to be instructed to go for hot woman when simply as a man you'll be interested because they are hot? It's redundant drivel for lemmings.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Hot women, in general, are nothing but trouble, especially at young age. You can not even comprehend how many options they have, the power they have, how easy their life is simply because they are hot. The question is, are they worth it? I would say, in most cases, no. They can not be relied on.
GainzdalfTheWhey 6y ago
My girl is switching carrers and the amount of help from guys she gets is astounding, and they all want to also schedule bars to further discuss that help. And she still thinks man have it better, etc.
I dont mate guard or tell her about how innoncent shes being, I guess she'll have to learn for herself how men are. She might think i'm not being supportive if I say yeah dont meet up with X person., which isn't the case.
If she tries something funny on me I'll know and drop it like its hot.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Do so if that happens, no excuses. In which case she will either come back and not do it again or you just lost someone who has shown her true colors.
tony8832 6y ago
I understanding game is important to not blow it with a high interest woman. Also prevents you to think a high interest woman is your soul mate or worst a unicorn .
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Cryptoguru777 6y ago
At which point it might not even be worth it to even consider - unless she might just be very much into short guys. Who knows? It is possible.
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Being a 5 chasing 10s who are not interested in you is spiritual suicide, though. Wouldn't recommend that to anyone.
chazthundergut 6y ago
Of course it's easy to fuck chicks with high interest. If she perceives you as 2-3 points above her in SMV, you just have to show up (and not be autistic) and she will fuck you. The catch is, there is a reason she is a "low hanging fruit" ... women who start off with super high interest tend to be lower in SMV.
The reason we come to TRP and learn about game is so that we can fuck hotter chicks (who tend to have low interest). TRP teaches how to raise and maintain interest from these women.
My advice is to not let yourself go stagnate. Keep pushing yourself out of your comfort zone and keep pursuing better and hotter women. You obviously have the fundamentals down, and it would be easy for you to cruise with 7s and 8s.
But you know you want the 9s and 10s. You want the juiciest, sweetest fruit? You're gonna have to climb some trees. Keep climbing dude
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
I will man, this saturday I'm at a festival and will do my best.
throwlaca 6y ago
>I needed to do nothing at all.
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Except go to gym, go to college, work for 10 years and buy a nice car and nice clothes. It seems like it's nothing, but it's a lot.
EmirSc 6y ago
You do all of that for YOU
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
I get your point, but as EmirSc mentioned I would have done all that as well if women didn't even exist.
LightSkinKen 6y ago
The women you can’t ever fuck , FUCK ME. The women I can never fuck , FUCK YOU. It works both ways. Have fun gaming. The only time you lose is when you take it personal.
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lafingman0 6y ago
I had this but afterwards I was terrified of STDs. Luckily I tested clean. How do you deal with this anxiety issue or do you have a que sera attitude?
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
I always use condoms unless I really feel like somebody isn't a whore.
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Follow the golden rule:
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If you were allowed to go in raw the first time, everyone else before you was too. Be safe, not only for STDs but some bitch might get pregnant.
Don_Draper27 6y ago
I agree that you should move forward with the girls that are "fuck yes" about you. The ones that are genuinely attracted to you. The ones that will find great pleasure in draining your ball sack.
It's still work though for most guys. How attractive are you OP?
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Hard to say, I consider myself above average but only slightly. I live in the Netherlands and am a little short of 6 ft, which is below average length. I do have a good body after years of lifting and people see, I also work in fashion headoffices mostly so have a good sense of style. So I guess around 7.5. I think in due time this will be 8.5 after my tattoo project is completed and I have a nice place to call home. I have plenty of years ahead of me, I hope, so no hurry.
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youcantdenythat 6y ago
If they are on tinder and they matched you they want you for one of two things.
They are attracted to you.
If they are attracted to you, you pretty much just need to generate enough comfort that they don't think you'll murder them or something. A few booring questions, seen any good movies lately? etc and then meet for a drink. When you meet them, don't do anything stupid and they will go home with you for another drink and to watch some Netflix or whatever.
If they want an orbiter they won't want to meet you. Unmatch those ones, why waste your time.
MeansToABenz 6y ago
Controversial topic. I like it. TRP should be even more philosophical.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Just some quick shower thoughts, but appreciate the gesture.
personaldistance 6y ago
Absolutely the most worthless thing I've read on this sub. Good job.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
That is fine, we are all at different stages at TRP. Some are virgins and some are already doing well and getting better.
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Best of luck to you regardless.
FollowerTRP 6y ago
Cool story, bro and also absolutely shit advise. Happy it works for you tho.
Started working for me just a little bit when improved I after 4+ years of hard work.
Do not listen to this OP Chad, keep your game tight and develop it folks.
MrGreySD 6y ago
I would say his advice is good, but lower SMV guys first need to focus on improving their SMV. "Working on game" is a shallow, unsustainable solution which only improves a single area of your life.
usegao 6y ago
Increasing my overall appearance has improved my life as work as much as it has outside of work, although I would imagine working working on game would help most people professionally as well. Definitely don't bother with Tinder before SMV is maxed out though. Game ain't worth shit without matches.
ogkushinjapan 6y ago
Game is a fancy way of saying social skills towards women. Being more socially alert and inept definably helps out in your career.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
I'm by no means a Chad, but not an incel either. It definitely took effort to get here, I am not denying that, however I entered the dating market with 0 contacts or phone numbers, so had to work myself up from the absolute bottom. Along this way I did get worked up over not having much success with 8.5s and 9s, even though I had some engagement with them initially. 7.5s that want YOU instead are worth having over them, is my opinion for now.
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I am not bothered with 8.5s and 9s (at this point) because they take too much effort or are just out of my reach and learned to let it go and accept.
FollowerTRP 6y ago
I know what you mean, maybe it is area where you live, maybe it is your looks. Maybe it's you or maybe it's maybeline.
I am quite good looking now, shredded body, great presence and got my shit together. Of course I am getting IOIs and high interest, but only from girls below average.
In my area, if girl has at least passable face and is not overweight (achievement in 2019), it's gonna cost you time and "effort" (game is fun when you know all the rules), to make her to have sex with you. There is no workaround.
There are different variables but the point is - if I did not put my energy into interactions with 8.5s -9s, I would never have any intimacy with them. I recommend sparking interest, rather than not even trying. We have all the knowledge and tools here to do so.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
As weird as it sounds now that I think of it, it kind of spiralled out of control the past few weeks. The biggest catalyst for me was getting a tattoo. Uploaded a decent picture of me with my forearm tattoo and matches trippled. I am not kidding and didn't expect it to have any effect at all. I live near Amsterdam so I do have a huge pool of people to choose from, but also a ton of competition so I just play the numbers game and end-up with a handful of what I mentioned. So far so good, and only just getting started.
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FollowerTRP 6y ago
Amsterdam is excellent for hookups and dating in general. Not sure about cities nearby
And of course tattoo is gonna help with that, it represents risk taking behavior and "bad-boyish" personality for female lizard brain.
Luxembourg city here - terrain is very specific and navigating it requires lots of adjustments to TRP general rules. Area is important
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
I guess it does. Plenty of hoes around here, but that makes it all the more difficult to find a gem. Good luck with everything!
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 6y ago
Sometimes the fish really do just jump right into your boat! Don't get complacent over it however; you still need game to maintain attraction. These tend to come in waves with dry spells between I've noticed. Also, easy come, easy go. Sometimes when it's too easy on the front end, you discover RMV problems on the back end ranging from uncalibrated clinginess to Axis II disorders. Buyer beware.
flipdoggers 6y ago
Romantic Market Value? Or what lol
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 6y ago
Relationship market value. Sometimes women who find maintaining relationships difficult will be really accommodating and into a new lover at first. If it seems too easy and good to be true, proceed with caution.
INNASKILLZ2K18 6y ago
You are running game. Start going beta on them and see what happens.
ZachMeadows 6y ago
Sure for a time it can be nice to go for the easy lay.
I mean, I always pick up the small change I see on the ground. However, I do not define my fortune by it.
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Sorry for the incoming explanation, English isn't my language.
The key point is to not settle for what you are given. You can try and make the best out of it, even be happy with it. But you shall always go for bigger and better. It applies to fitness, finance, women, anything.
While it should not make you suffer, it is good to have a few easy back up plans, some high stakes prospects and close to no trouble while managing all that.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
The key point here is to not make you suffer.
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This is pretty hard, losing an absolutely smoking hot woman can sting, for years even. It takes somebody in the end alpha-stages to - honestly - not be moved by it whatsoever. I still have a lot to learn and change in my mindset, it apears.
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Thanks for the insight.
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ZachMeadows 6y ago
First, don't get too attached to numbers. It's all random and probabilities. You can only increase or decrease the odds.
Second, my 9-10s can be your 5s and vice versa. We don't share the same types and that's fine.
Back to my point. You mentioned something interesting :
You are right. The goal here is to maximize efficiency and for that the 5s and 6s are fine. BUT, it doesn't prevent you from chasing some 9s and 10s.
The real reason you don't go after the hot ones is because you feel you don't deserve them. If a girl mocks me for tripping on the sidewalk, she's just mean. And beauty doesn't matter in this case. I've played the "goofy" guy to land a model and it worked whereas some other times being the super iron framed bad ass didn't worked on an average girl.
Plus if you dating several girls, some averages that are guaranteed and some that require more work, you'll have to split your time between them. The time invested/sex returned ratio is still in your favor.
I'm on a high right now and I feel like I can talk to any girl because I'm awesome. And if I don't get attached to the outcome (you know Outcome Independence), it's even better.
Anyway I'm digressing.
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I'm adding that you said something to always keep in mind :
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The TL/DR is :
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Hope it helps.
wildtimes3 6y ago
Yes you do know. You said it over and over. You held your frame. That is game.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
I don't buy that - competition is fierce, I know there are hundreds of 'better' men than me, will just frame alone make you stand out? I find that hard to believe.
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Sometimes you 'just' get this connection, or you 'just' have something she desires is what I mean. Let the game come to you.
wildtimes3 6y ago
“She” desires guys who control their life / hold frame.
If you have a good plan for the next hour, the next 48 hours and the next year or 10 (frame) and she sees it after exchanging pleasantries, she sees you won’t disrupt your life for her, you stand out.
Holding frame won’t draw her to you for the introduction, per se, but a hottie that is an eight on a great day has plenty of orbiters that would love to try and jump in her frame. BORING.
Who has the better plan to help people, achieve common goals and pack in rich fulfilling experiences? You or some girl you just met?
Please stop with the minimizing. It is a really bad thinking habit. “JUST” never adds good information in this instance. Take out the “Justs’”:
Without the “Justs’” it is more clear.
Just have or just (almost) don’t have is emotionally manipulative. You have X or you don’t. You don’t just have it.
RightHandWolf 6y ago
You're right and you're wrong about the "better men" meme. What it boils down to is being her best available option at the time. It's easy to obsess and grind your teeth worrying about George Clooney or Brad Pitt being on her bucket list. You're not competing against actors and musicians; most of your competition is going to the average dudes in your area, with an over/ under within 7 years of your age, for the most part. You just have to be the biggest fish in the pond, so to speak.
majani 6y ago
"Magical connections" are simply personality matches. One day do a personality test with someone you have a connection with. You will find that your scores either match or are extremely complimentary (where you are high, she is low and vice versa)
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
I have no explanation. Sometimes you just feel in love with a person and you don't really know why. Maybe there's more to it than we believe, like a match of energy of some sort.
wildtimes3 6y ago
Don’t overthink it.
Sure there is an energy aspect to it, but most of this connection is LUST.
Keeping that mystical feeling after a decade and two kids is almost impossible and if it is possible, probably not worth the time it would take.
Keeping some of that spark in the bedroom and relying on mutual trust and respect for success long term is a valid game plan.
The butterflies and goosebumps of early lust will not help you years later.
McDrMuffinMan 6y ago
Let me preface by saying I'm still internalizing the pill and working on improving myself.
Having said that would it not be wise to at least have the ability to attract low interest women? Not necessarily to keep but to develop more tools in ones arsenal to have. It seems to me to be along the path of self improvement, developing unshakable charisma and game , not just relying on the circumstances of oneself.
Is this wrong?
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Well, thats a paradox. Attracting / low interest are only so much related. I do think if you are able to attract, you should at least try, as long as your mental health does not suffer over it. If you fail 9 times and succeed once, that still one and you will learn along the way.
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They want you because they see you as higher smv than theirs, it works for you with 7.5 girls because your smv is 8.5-9 (or you misjudged theirs idk), anyway this doesnt work for guys under 6 unless they want girl smv 3 to have as fwb
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Pretty solid explanation. I guess the insecurity in the back of my head puts me at equal or below their SMV, thus making me enjoy it more than I should perhaps.
juddshanks 6y ago
I think the OP was entirely correct.
One of the mistakes people make is assuming that SMV is ironclad and objective, higher always succeeds in attracting lower and that's the end of the story.
In practice humans are way more complicated than that, and there are a million different random things which can either inflate or deflate your desirability in the eyes of a random person. The scale generally works and is hugely relevant but it isn't ironclad.
I dont know why that is surprising, it operates exactly like a pro sports league where there are favourites and underdogs in every game but the best teams don't win every night- the 2019 Raptors might be the highest SMV team in the nba but they still lost roughly a third of their games to lower ranked teams.
You can't control that, so if you end up punching above your weight on particular night just accept it and enjoy it.
A tougher question is how much you want to sacrifice to keep yourself on an even footing in a very high level relationship.
Truthfully, if you're not a natural 9 or 10 but with a lot of sustained hard work and commitment get yourself to the point where you're banging girls at that level, you might want to ask yourself whether you're willing to sustain that in a long term relationship. Some people will say hell yeah, that's the point, which is fine, but in some ways a sweet natured, loyal and totally infatuated with you 7 is going to make your life way easier than a 9 or 10 who is constantly edging ahead of you in social value if you skip the gym for a week.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Spot on, yes. I guess at a younger age, people lean more towards the 9s even if they are trouble. At a later age, especially with women, they tend to settle for less, like a 6 or 7 as long as no headaches come along with it. This is why most people above 40 are actually with somebody.
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Bartand 6y ago
No game needed when you have the power
sebastianconcept 6y ago
Or looks
Or affluence
Or both (because the girl would be rationalizing your lack of game for you)
Project_Zero_Betas 6y ago
When it comes down to it, the power to choose is what girls care about the most. They literally crave to be a choice.
D4rkr4in 6y ago
Alexa play I've got the power
TFWnoLTR 6y ago
"Adding protein powder to your cart"
D4rkr4in 6y ago
close enough, I was running out anyways
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drsherbert 6y ago
GO TO WHERE YOU’RE CELEBRATED!!
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pacjax 6y ago
unless your rich or jeff seid then you should pursue women of all interest levels unless youre ok with fucking 5 girls a year
wildtimes3 6y ago
Is that the ceiling or the floor?
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lala_xyyz 6y ago
One of the less known TRP adages: "If she's not chasing you, you're wasting your time." Chasing also encompasses IOIs. Just improve yourself and slay women who indicate interest, it's that simple.
DigitalDragonSlayer 6y ago
Op could have worded it like this and it would have gotten the point across more clearly
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ComplexProjection 6y ago
You don't need game with girls who have a big smv difference with you. Game is used to reach girls closer to your SMV. The best your game is the tighter the gap between your smv is.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
That definitely makes sense. If this goes easy perhaps I should aim higher and just disregard the negative emotions that could potentially come along with that, such as rejection. Thanks.
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uptimex 6y ago
Yes, I think you are right. Sometimes even 9s and 10s can happen if you hold your frame. The thing is when you make too much effort you instantly lose your value. I know what you are saying about. You keep some plates and meanwhile you improve yourself and time to time you can even target 9s and 10s. But just from time to time, to not make assimetric efforts.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
Exactly, but when you truly have a dime piece that shows interest in you it takes some tremendous will not to be blown away by it, the final red pill perhaps? Every fiber in your body is saying I want to F her.
rpsheepdog 6y ago
I'm not sure who is advocating going for girls with lower interest? I'll also argue that maintaining frame is a sort of game, whether or not you're consciously doing it.
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If you have a girl who is into you, then you still need to work some sort of game that keeps you ahead (basically don't do beta shit) so you keep the attraction high.
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foomasters 6y ago
The way I see this situation is to not throw away what you already have. Instead, use it as a playground to practice game and let those mindsets and attitudes help you get better women. Contrast this with the situation where you don't have any access to women and you go out gaming. Naturally, one starts coming off as needy, but not when you have a woman that you can turn to at the end of the day.
It's just a comma, not a full stop. Enjoy the journey and strive to get better.
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