After reading just another asktrp post about a man who got involved with a severe case of a ‘damaged’ (low self esteem) hoe. I wanted to highlight the importance of screening.
When you’re younger it’s easy to get addicted to the pussy of a hot woman, particularly if you’re not in abundance. You’re horny and the sex is wild so you keep spending time with her. Then you start to promote her unwittingly. Then you appreciate her unique hurt. Then you start treating her better than you normally would. Then shit hits the fan and you come to asktrp. Don’t worry, I went through it, it’s called not having a plan and taking what’s there, aka being lazy.
For the sake of self preservation you have to screen hard against low self esteem women. They typically have toxic traits that make them more volatile than the ‘normal’ girl so if your boundaries and leading aren’t strong they can fuck with your shit. And they’ll do it without trying to - it’s just who they are. It’s your job to recognise what your dealing with and modify goals and expectations for individual women.
Even if you only have one woman, low self esteem women should be rejected, pump and dumps, or extremely low investment plates. As in they come over for sex, then they leave. Sure enjoy the sex, but that’s the boundary. Repeated dates are a no no. You’re wasting your time, and they don’t think they deserve them anyway. To get involved with them emotionally is to invite a world of pain and will never end well for you.
This is what I’ve learned from experience and through reading a particular book: “Practical Female Psychology for the Practical Man” which crystallised what I have observed. Written by 3 men that have had apparently lots of experience with women. They’ve compiled some of the easiest to understand and apply - practical - wisdom on women I’ve read. And they have a great system for screening. It’s also filled with a shit ton of other gold on women and succeeding with them.
It’s a Redpill book that never gets mentioned here so I wanted to give it a shout out and would love to see it on the sidebar if some EC/Mods like it. You can get the full version online with a quick google search - the second link reads better. It really opened my eyes and think it would many others too.
Smash it gents.
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
Screening out low self esteem women? All women have low self esteem. Insecurity is one of the defining features of female nature, along with hypergamy, resource extraction, and group think/cognitive dissonance.
RStonePT 5y ago
I've added it to the MRP sidebar a few years back. Once you are past the anger phase and realize it's not about 'her' but about 'you' it's a great way to learn how to be congruence in your approaches.
bsutansalt 5y ago
Author is Joseph W. South, an old school PUA. He's who I borrowed the concept of the early frame announcement from as it was a great observation about female behavior. Look up his interview on Pickup Podcast if it's still available. Good info.
shankzilla 5y ago
Just got out of a relationship with a girl who had seriously low self esteem. Luckily, I was only with her for 5 months. If I wasnt trying to build up her self esteem, I was arguing with her ( big mistake I know and I just recently learned about arguing with women). Regardless she wasnt worth the trouble even though I thought she possessed relatively good feminine qualities. Seriously the low selfesteen one are not worth it.
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
Hahaha. Guess what... we’re everywhere, our numbers are growing, and you have no idea who we are because we keep our views to ourselves. Spooky, right?
It’s against sub rules to identify yourself as a woman. Women tend to derail healthy debate with emotional outbursts and illogical arguments, because you are evolved to parrot consensus, not seek truth.
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
Not worth responding to, yet you respond.
Schhwing 5y ago
Would you date a man that was abusive, destructive or extremely emotionally damaging to you? Or would you like help with securing relationships that feed you and help you develop and succeed in life? That is what TRP is for.
HowardJRoark 5y ago
If you keep reading theres sure to be hard truths and eerily familiar scenarios analyzed and discussed
Stay a while
deliciousplum 5y ago
I've read some pretty eery stuff already, and this sub is just as bad as extreme feminism. You both are equally dangerous.
redpill77 5y ago
I read the first couple chapters and the most salient point so far is that comparing lovers and providers, providers try to exert control over a woman by material or physical means, whereas lovers do not exert any control, but elicit attraction and don't make her feel judged. Taking on responsibility tends to inspire one to also take control, which she no likey.
bsutansalt 5y ago
Sounds like they've recognized the AF/BB dichotomy and found the flaw in what many BB try to do using their money as a substitute for actually being attractive. As always status trumps everything.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Isn't money a form of status in the modern world?
Wouldn't that mean that throwing money at women is a 'legitimate' strategy?
Who cares if they like you for you, as long as they put out right?
yamseveryday 5y ago
"Then you start to promote her unwittingly. Then you appreciate her unique hurt. Then you start treating her better than you normally would."
This part is right on. Know damaged goods when you see them. The name of the game is boundaries. No one crosses those lines.
bsutansalt 5y ago
Ideally yes, but you have to work up to it. Women's natural state is crossing those lines by instinct. Hell, it's the very essence of what shit testing is. The question is what are you going to do when it happens?
Ideally you'll avoid serious boundary crossing by making your standards and expectations known in advance, and what will happen if they cross the line. And you must stick to your guns, otherwise... your bluff is called and they'll walk all over you as they lose respect & attraction, at which point it's only a matter of time until they branch swing.
RealMcGonzo 5y ago
So what's the five point TLDR on the book?
Schhwing 5y ago
The book is 200 pages and covers a wide range of male female dynamics. I’d suggest you have a quick look at the contents and read chapters that interest you.
My post focused on screening which is where I think they excelled in the book.
TLDR on screening: They suggest to screen for archetypes, which they say are Materialista (sex for material gain), Adventuress (sex for sex’s sake), and Good Girl (sex for relationship commitment). They give advice on how to succeed with each of these types of girls.
Then they talk about screening for self esteem. Low self esteem girls won’t treat you well and will try to dominate the relationship with drama. High self esteem girl will treat you well and will try to dominate the relationship with owning your feelings and thoughts. They offer advice on this too.
bsutansalt 5y ago
There's a fatal flaw in this approach:
All women are every type. Which type they are depends on how they perceive you and where they're at in their life. Remember, there are no "good girls".
For example, The chick who is making you wait (sex for relationship commitment) can be the same girl who fucked the buff dude at the foam party a month earlier. Or who sees you as boyfriend material, gives you a peck on the cheek at the end of the date, and then texts her bad boy drug dealer FWB for raw animalistic sex with no strings attached after hour later while you go home to beat your meat hoping she responds favorably to going out with you again next week.
Where the above advice for screening for archetypes can be useful is, for example, finding the women who will fuck a guy at the foam party or who calls up a dude after a date to get banged out. The trick is being the kind of guy who women like that want to fuck. And that's where the real work begins as there's no silver bullets.
Schhwing 5y ago
They do say in the book that girls are a mix but tend to display one strategy predominantly. You don’t think that girls tend to display one behaviour pattern? Like a girl with a low n-count and a few long term relationships. Like a girl that’s always aggressively tryna find a rich guy?
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
Good girls are a myth. The book is excellent for detailing what one might expect of general female behavior after you've fucked and whipped a girl, but not before.
As always, her sexual (and emotional) responsiveness to you from the get-go is the only measuring stick you have of her interest level. Escalate, escalate, escalate!
yamseveryday 5y ago
I agree a lot with the low self esteem girls creating drama for its own sake. Nothing is ever good for them. I'm a little hesitant to break up girls into low and high self esteem where high self esteem are 'good girls' because AWALT and you can never settle for being a beta.
Schhwing 5y ago
The book breaks up all girls into 3 archetypes: materialista, adventuress, and good girl, each having their own dominant sexual strategy. Then within each of those 3 there is low self esteem and high self esteem cases. Which will change their behaviour. So a low self esteem good girl exists and is bad for a committed relationship.
TFWnoLTR 5y ago
I dont think that was the point anyways. From what I gather, it's just more important to not get close with low self esteem girls than with high. High self esteem girls are more prone to just walk away and forget about you when things go south, where low self esteem girls are more prone to trying to destroy you if things go south or force things south without reason.
Just be aware of what you're dealing with and what it might get you.
Schhwing 5y ago
Low self esteem girls are primarily self destructive as well as drama queens. Which is why it’s an incredibly bad idea to care for them. Because nothing good will satisfy them and they’ll detonate it. Leaving many chumps chasing their tail about how to make her ‘happy’ - hint being happy is not what they are naturally geared for. As well as the hysteria and all the other crap.
HSE girls on the other hand will be satisfied and pleasant to you in a relationship that satisfies and pleases her.
yamseveryday 5y ago
Completely agree I just wanted to make sure that was the point he was making
BurnoTaurus 5y ago
I once attempted to fuck a girl in highschool. Ok, more than once, but those are other stories. I got her number, I started texting and, looking back it would have been a very easy lay, but might not have been worth the trouble.
I dropped all interest after the first day of texting. Reason being the constant barrage of "hey" followed by "why arent you replying?" a minute later, followed by "do you hate me? what did I do?". Extremely low self esteem, girl wasnt very attractive and I was fishing the bottom of the barrel. Showing the slightest interest towards her, and she glommed onto me.
Then come the tests. Every "do you like me?" and "why arent you replying?" is her, on her end, going into hysterics over whether or not she has any value. Simultaneously she's testing to see what kind of man I am. Do I just want sex? Am I gonna out up with her insanity? Am I going to be a constant, codependant source of validation for this parasitic creature?
The lower a womans self esteem, the more crazy shit she has to do for validation. Theres the damsel in distress who gets too drunk so someone has to save her, or she threatens suicide. All kinds of behaviours where she creates a retarded situation just to see whether or not the people around her will support her.
DIARRHEA_EXORCISM 5y ago
Can confirm low self esteem girls correlating with doing crazy shit to feel wanted. I mistakenly dated one and she asked to fuck in the gym bathroom. Fuck that I'm not getting banned from the gym im a regular at over a crazy person
bsutansalt 5y ago
Some of that attention seeking can be chalked up to shit tests. Handle accordingly.
SKRedPill 5y ago
1 min? That's not low self esteem. That's a mental illness. The difference is only a matter of degree.
I think an ego screening test has to be mandatory education.
BurnoTaurus 5y ago
Low self esteem taken to a limit extreme is mental illness. This shit develops in people. The ability for girls to get constant smart phone validation from orbiters etc. makes for a scenario wherein a girl need never learn how to be ok with herself without being plugged in.
"I feel down" initial low self esteem, which is then remedied by "texting people"
masterpiece00 5y ago
So like every quick easy pickup artist book over the last 30 years.
mabden 5y ago
These 3 guys permeated the mAFS website for years. They have been out way before redpill was a thing and they known their shit.
You may still be able to access their archives on Fast-seduction website.
Schhwing 5y ago
Look man I’m not selling anything and neither are they because you can access it for free. Have a read and make your own mind up. Peace
masterpiece00 5y ago
Just because it's free doesn't mean I'm going to invest 30 hrs of my life into a random book by "3 experienced poosy posse men" just to explore people getting some pussy.
Thynome 5y ago
Ok, move on?? Noone forces you, no need to be an ass
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TFFOrzabal 5y ago
Sorry if I sound dumb but where do you go to access it for free? Amazon? Audible?
Schhwing 5y ago
Google search title, second link
D0perman 5y ago
google libgen, you can get all the books from that site
TFFOrzabal 5y ago
Found it, thanks guys. Not all heroes wear capes
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Or condoms. But those are a good idea usually.
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Mr_Badass 5y ago
The section on Ambivalence and Subcommunication, and how to use them to communicate with women is an eye opener on how to be extremely seductive to women. They are proof why Agree and Amplify tactics work. Thanks for this great read!
Schhwing 5y ago
More gold than Tywin Lannister’s shithouse. No problem
Shadows1455 5y ago
You're very right, one must always have a plan. Thanks for the book recommendation
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