The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.
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LordMarkStark 5y ago
Roosh again misses the point entirely of being a proper human being. Can we take him seriously at this point. Women flip flop all the time some more than others. The article is not nuanced enough and is just entertainment. I was not entertained.
Don't try to understand just hold to your own. This OCD about truth means nothing. It assumes women, human beings, know what they're doing 100%. They're only half the puzzle. This guy ignores women full stop. It's a failed and flawed thought experiment only.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
FYI, not roosh
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vfb14 5y ago
Whether you lie or tell the truth, never put yourself on a position where you have to justify anything. They don't care about what you say as long as you give her hamster some plausible deniabilty. If they at some point suspect of you trying to get their approval, they will begin to question your motivations.
HappyScribe 5y ago
A typical woman is almost always emotionally honest. She will change reality to match her emotions. She's not lying, she's being 'true to herself'.
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I wish guys would realise that women operate in an emotional sphere. Facts are just inconveniences. Try arguing and see how emotions are elevated over facts.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
She's also just "doing what makes her happy."
Orbiter45 5y ago
Another way to look at it, its power display. She has the ability to construct a reality. Challenge her, and see what happens.
They will construct this reality, where the they are delicate, and need protection, but at the same time superior and deserve admiration. And we swallow the blue pill...
ChesterRickman 5y ago
Not only women, it's typical beta behaviour too. It's easier to avoid responsibilty this way and get what you want.
boy_named_su 5y ago
I think you can get by without lying. I prefer to not lie
Agree and amplify. Disagree and amplify. Bullshit a little. When it come to brass tacks , simply say "I'm not going to talk about that" or "I don't think it's healthy to talk about that " or "we can discuss that when we know each other better"
p3n1x 5y ago
Guys believe if they are honest about their intentions they may, scare her off, offend her, not get a second date, etc.. (also known as oneitis).
Being honest that you want to Fuck her, only want a FWB, or someone to cook, clean, dance (whatever), makes their shit test program shut down and they become very submissive.
Obviously, be smooth (don't be creepy sperg), you don't have to make shit up. If she rejects you, either YOU fucked up or she isn't interested and you don't need to be wasting your time with her in the first place. Don't ride her merry-go-round just to do her "chores" with the "hope" of possibly touching her.
Two_kids_in_a_coat 5y ago
This article is nothing more then an excuse of why it’s not a mans fault that he can’t hold frame and be honest.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
What does being honest have to do with holding frame?
Two_kids_in_a_coat 5y ago
If you know yourself and your mission then there is no reason to lie. Were you doing something she doesn’t like? So what? It’s who you are and what you like and she has to accept that. Are you so afraid to reveal you true self to her that you’re gonna lie and pretend you’re someone else?
StellarMemez 5y ago
It really comes down to the kind of lying you're doing. Are you doing it for validation and as a way of failing shit tests? Or are you really good at it and use it as second nature for manipulation? The second one is romanticized pretty hard here as "dark triad", but at least it isn't weak shit.
Two_kids_in_a_coat 5y ago
The red pill is a toolbox. I don’t want to, need or agree that lying is a tool that should be used, but I understand that it can be used for manipulation. I don’t see how that is an advantage though. I’m who I am. If you don’t like it then leave. I’m comfortable with that.
suxxos 5y ago
So you just want to justify liyng. I suppose you won't mind when women lie to you then, will you? After all, they just tell you what you want to hear, it's for your own good.
ass_boy 5y ago
Lying is a very useful skill. with women, work, school, family and friends.there are two good ways to like in my opinion tell a ridiculous amount of lies like 30-50% or like 3% if you like a large amount you stop feeling bad about it and you become better at it. When you lie a very little amount of time you have a reputation of truthfulness so there is no need to question it. I understand that every man needs a personal code of some sort but lying is not off limits on mine. Does that make me a bad person? I don't know but who cares if it does bother me.
chazthundergut 5y ago
Speak the truth
Men have evolved to value our spoken word. Your word as a man should mean something. Oathbreaker and dishonest are the attributes of weak men.
I understand that women lie. I understand that they do not appreciate or reciprocate our honesty.
So what?
I'm supposed to sacrifice my own values because bitches are liars?
Fuck that.
I'm not recommending that any man give a female full disclosure or even a straight answer when she starts turning the screws. But by no means should a man throw away the value of his word and become a liar. Much less for the sake of females
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LordMarkStark 5y ago
That's bullshit and you know it. Do you even know who you are? He doesn't want to pretend. Good for him. That you vehemently disrespect that is another thing entirely.
It's like you're scared to reveal who you are or something. It's not lying it's all intertwined. Maybe you got the wrong idea.
Some girl you just met no you don't need to spill your guts, but in general, to live a real life, get to the point where you're not the lie yourself. Forget her lies. Be happier.
chazthundergut 5y ago
Of course they are my values.
I am not implying that sexual strategy isn't amoral. I don't think telling the truth has anything to do with sexual strategy.
This article is all about how men should lie because females have no regard or respect for the truth. So right off the bat it:
Assumes that telling the truth is something that men value
If you want to lie go ahead. But don't use female dishonesty to justify it. Because then you are explicitly admitting to compromising your values because of a bitch. Fuck that.
LordMarkStark 5y ago
The article like all truth is kinda right but totally wrong. It's a concept of a reality. Don't be the lie, of course try to be as honest as possible. Sometimes I think such things set men up to fail. Good for you
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