A Lost Friend
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It is often said in TRP that one should never try to red-pill his friends. I ignored this advice and I shared some of the main posts and articles from the sidebar with my closest friends. All of them were grateful for the knowledge that they recieved and, thankfully, a couple of them have successfully applied red-pill principles in their lives and are completely sold on TRP.
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One of my friends, who I will call "Martin", was very much into TRP and constantly chatted with me about red-pill concepts and self-improvement. He was a very attractive guy who could get high tier girls if he tried to, but he was still a virgin. That didn't worry him though, because he assumed that because of his high value, he would not have trouble getting hot girls and fucking them. This realization made him reject any girl who he deemed to be less than a 9/10, however, whenever he saw a 9 or a 10, he was too afraid to approach. He remained a virgin for a while.
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Then, one day, Martin met an exchange student who would be studying in his university for 4 months. She was from Denmark and in terms of attractiveness she was a 5/10, according to him. Due to her ugliness, Martin ignored her for a month, but she was in love with him, and she would constantly give him IOIs. Martin was still a virgin and he was not progressing at game, he could not get past simple make outs with average girls in clubs. His desperation was growing, and the Danish girl was throwing herself at him.
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Martin decided to fuck the Danish girl as a way to finally lose his virginity and kickstart his career as a pussy-slayer. She lived in the campus dorm, so the logistics were great. One day, after class, he walked the girl to her dorm and asked to use the bathroom. She let him in, he escalated and they had sex. He enjoyed it, and decided to keep her around as a fuckbuddy, they could have sex every day after class because the logistics were awesome.
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He fucked her daily for a week, and then they introduced cuddling after sex. She would cook for him and he would give her fitness advice. The oxytocin started to kick in, and he fell in love with her. She was no longer ugly in his eyes, she was the prettiest girl ever. They were now a couple and everyone in their class knew about it.
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Martin and I were supposed to have a great time together slaying pussy and getting hot plates, building our physiques and getting rich, but now I was alone in this journey because he fell in love with a girl who he used to consider invisible (She was not a 9 nor a 10!!!). I did not confront him about it, I know how easy it is to fall in love with the first girl you ever have sex with because that's what happened to me years ago.
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Everyone was expecting them to break up after a couple of months because she was going back to Denmark, so I was not worried about him going full blue-pill beta. I kept sending him articles by Rollo and videos by Richard Cooper. Things went on for a month and a half, he fucked her almost every day (He would send me a text every time he fucked her). One week before she was supposed to leave, he told me that they would continue together: A LONG DISTANCE RELATIONSHIP where they would be 3000km away from each other. I told him that that was not a great idea and I sent him an article by Rollo about LDRs and a video by Richard Cooper about the same subject. He had already read that post and seen that video in his early red-pill days, but ignored the advice so that he could have a "relationship" over Skype. I did not confront him this time either, I just wanted to let him know that, as a friend, I didn't think a LDR was going to work out.
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He stopped talking to me, and a few days later he blocked me on all social media (Maybe he told his girl that I was trying to split them up, and she told him to block me). That day I lost a friend who I had been close to for 8 years.
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A week later, I came across her Instagram account. Oh lord, I wish I had found it before. This girl had a shit ton of red flags. Not only was she extremely unattractive (my friend's pecs are bigger than her boobs and her eyebrows more bushy than his), but she also had pictures where she was covering her nipples with emoticons, pics of herself pole dancing in a skimpy outfit, pics where you could appreciate how dirty her teeth were and, suprise surprise, pics with her Danish boyfriend that were uploaded a week before the exchange started.
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According to mutual friends of Martin and I, he is learning Danish and will be visiting her in Copenhagen very soon. I tried to avoid a trainwreck and save a friend, but now it seems like life will teach him a lesson.
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BONUS: Cucked PUAs
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This has little to do with what you just read. I recently experienced something in the PUA community that truly bothered me and I wanted to write a post about it, but I have finally decided to add this as a bonus to the post above, given that both parts are clear examples of Blue Pill behaviour and this part is simply not long enough for an actual post.
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A few weeks ago I attended a free PUA seminar in my city. The guy who organized it is one of the most influential PUAs and self-development gurus in my country. Everything went well until he said that the traditional idea of masculinity (stoic, tempered, rational and strong) is wrong and that men should be as emotional as women. He also preached that looks don't matter and that accepting yourself as you are right now (physically) is the way to go unless you are (very) fat.
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I decided to give him a chance and kept listening until he said that letting your girlfriend fuck other guys for a month is a good way to deal with the fear of losing her. What's even worse is that when he attacked traditional masculinity, claimed that "You are enough the way you are!!" and promoted cuckoldry, everyone in the room nodded in approval or even cheered his words.
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A strong feeling of repulsion invaded my senses, so I decided to leave the event straight away. Blue Pill PUAs are worse than feminists.
TheCookShow 5y ago
I enjoyed reading that post.
I hope your friend will cum to his senses and learn a lesson in the hard way. It is his life, and the most you can do is be there and advise. Don't push the big, hard-to-swallow, gigantic red pill to his throat, but have some tiny pills in your pocket when needed, to show him the way. It is preety easy to assume who can take the pill and who will automatically puke it. If he is not ready for it, don't force it.
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I hate when people try to discourage you from lifting, changing yourself, improvment.
Basically, lifting is just lifting heavy weights, literally. But, when done properly, it is one of the most benefitial activities you can practice. You are testing your boundaries, breaking them, and sculpting a new you, a stronger version, that has higher limits and better performance. Just take that physical aspect and apply it to other aspects of your life.
GOAL - It's hard - It's easier now - It's not that hard - It's easy - DONE. Next goal.
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It is preety stupid to say "Just be yourself". If you will be the same fucker for the rest of your life, you will be bored and anemic, getting the same resultes in everything you do.
Instead, embrace self-improvment as a part of yourself and your lifestyle. You will always be yourself, with your unique fingerprint, but it will become bigger and more significant.
xtbfx 5y ago
About the cucked PUA stuff.. YouTube recommended a video today about a woman talking about her experience at a massage, how professional the guy was, how relaxed he made her feel and basically her first experience squirting and how rare it is to meet a man so emotionally intelligent and pays attention to the details.
And, there's something about a guy that is "one of the girls" when he hangs out but he's totally straight. Looks like easy street to me.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
That's the problem with gurus and seminars. People believe in the authority of the person speaking and don't scrutinize the message enough. I have seen this happen now several times, and it goes like this:
It sounds like the guy got compromised, either through something he read, or because someone got to him and paid him to spread that cuckoldry shit.
Why would it be necessary to LET her fuck other guys? One can imagine it happening. It would be like a Buddhist meditation exercise, akin to visualizing your own death. But to openly give her permission to do it for a month? That would be just be something one would do with a girl one wanted to dump anyway, or as as way of testing her character.
Field_Of_View 5y ago
Test of character? If a husband allows his wife to cheat on him he is not worthy of any respect and she should leave him. A proof of her good character would be if she leaves him immediately rather than staying with him or even going along with his suggestion and cheating with permission.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
In materials science this would be called destructive test. Others might call it witch ducking level madness. Unless they emerge as happy swingers, there is no winning outcome of such a test.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
If she agrees to it, you dump her. Or turn her into your whore, and you collect your percentage, you know, to "liberate" her.
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RedPilledRoaster 5y ago
If he’s so into TRP how’d he get cucked?
Sounds like he was still BP. No, he was still BP
ProFriendZoner 5y ago
Perfect example is a little knowledge can be dangerous. He learned just enough to get the girl ... then thought he could go back to his beta ways and it would be forever.
I think we get people in here who are like that ... learn just enough to get one girl and thinking that's it, they are set for life. Doesn't work that way as we all know.
As for the PUA guy, it sounds like he's trying to sell a "new system" which would "radically change everything you know about picking up women" or something along those lines.
When you look at most gurus with a huge following they do the passive love kind of thing which has the babes flocking to them and where the women go, the guys follow.
Not a bad gig if you can get it. Sounds like it worked for him. Glad you caught the shit he was shoveling.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Wow. It's like it's "Trainwreck Thursday".
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Indeed.
Look, there's no doubt that the PUA in the example appealed to cucks and soyboys....but for those of us nervous about reentering the SMP, things are strange. Over the 26 years of my adult life, I monopolized a woman for about 22 of them (and between the 3, she was under 30 for about 18 years!)
So I went to the burrito shop and a VYW opened me. I got her digits, and should have escalated...faint heart never fucks the fair maiden...the next time I met her, she was there with her boyfriend, and came up to me anyway to say hi....he was a straight up twerp. No wonder I "charmed" her (her words).
Had I escalated and succeeded, she would have been good FB material, low end MLTR at best. I couldn't have monopolized her I wanted to. I realize in such a situation, I would be far more bull than cuck, and that's my third favorite Red Pill saying, be the bull, not the cuck.
I guess I'm more expressing frustration than asking a question. I have 3 basic paths: I could find a woman closer to our age and easily monopolize her, I could find a few women closer to our age but lower SMV and monopolize all of them, or I could find much younger women and be their little secret. As always, the third option is best, but necessitates knowing full well that almost every woman in my rotation fucks her boyfriend.
That is just weird.
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shady_nasty_mf 5y ago
Cucked PUA? Didn't know Mystery came out of retirement. Guess he finally got over his last oneitis.
WarriorMonkMode 5y ago
I once heard that long distance relationships are basically you have an imaginary friend that influences your life.
olimpicus 5y ago
Like Jesus or something lol
TheDuckOffender 5y ago
Hollup brother! Jesus was a real historical figure, regardless of your religious affiliation!
Dash_of_islam 5y ago
He's talking about sky daddy Jesus is an imaginary friend.
We know Jesus was a Jew who got the shit kicked out him by the Romans.
Muhammad was also a real historical figure, that doesn't make Islam true!
SMH some of you Jesus freaks need to take the red pill on religions, there ain't no god
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Pinetreewhisperer 5y ago
This is a good demonstration of how most of the guys here will turn out. Ones that try it with half-baked knowledge, no internal change, and no commitment will slide right back down to who they were before.
A virgin who says they can pull a 9 or 10, is really just full of shit with a puffed up ego. It doesn't matter where you start as long as you start. Spinning plates is not a status symbol or something to show off to others, it's about getting your sexual needs met while maintaining abundance and living in your frame. So who really cares if you start off plating 4's, 5's, fatties, or ugly girls. You're not there to bring them out into the daylight or to a family Thanksgiving, you're there to fuck them. If they dont like that, then that's their problem not yours.
The good thing with plate spinning is as long as your are improving yourself and your SMV, the plates will get better and better.
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chazthundergut 5y ago
These are important stories.
Your friend was a pussy from the beginning. All this "I'm just too hot to fuck anything less than a supermodel" is male hamstering to cover up his fear. I see it on TRP all the time.
It is very easy to be bitches ain't shit man! Fuck these girls I could never be cucked by a chick! when you're a virgin or failing with women to begin with.
Say that again when you have a beautiful woman swallowing your nut and cooking for you naked and telling you how much she loves you. It's fucking hard man.
Never let your guard down.
littleblacktruck 5y ago
I agree with everything except the "Never let your guard down." No need for guard at all if your DGAF is in tune.
xtbfx 5y ago
Def not easy.. You need to separate the crimes from the physical to make it.
javiercer20 5y ago
AWALT hitting hard on your friend... let him learn from this one, he’s new and that’s acceptable.
JamesSkepp 5y ago
As a PUA I can tell you that being a PUA doesn't mean you're RP. Lifting weights at gym doesn't mean you understand why they grow.
Also, as a PUA, I cannot fathom how one can be a PUA and a feminist at the same time. Maybe it's just a marketing grab for money, "i'm on your side, im not julien, please like me" or something like that.
While on paper this sounds like being a deliberate cuck, in reality he's onto something, he just doesn't know RP theory - IOW his message is "dont care about one particular girl".
WhatDreamsHaveGone 5y ago
Re cucked PUAs, that just sounds like easy money. Emotional release feels good, and working out is hard. You can make a killing selling tickets to a seminar where people get to feel good about themselves without lifting a damn finger. You should accept yourself as you are - only so you know exactly what needs to change. "You are enough" is a great message to tell yourself until you encounter absolutely all real-world evidence to the complete contrary.
CookieAdmiral 5y ago
A truly confident person doesn't stand in front of the mirror to tell themselves that they are confident.
People just want to hear it so they feel good, even if that means paying.
Jejmaze 5y ago
It was a free seminar though. Seems more like the guy wants to sell books or is actually BP himself.
cowb3llf3v3r 5y ago
Or trying to limit/handicap his competition.
throwaway-aa2 5y ago
Here's what I would say here:
I think it's worth it to have other red pilled friends in your life. I know the rule is "oh don't tell anyone about red pill" but I mean my opinion, is we'll start to develop a more nuanced strategy around this that we all agree on. The reality, is that... if you have 10 friends, you introduce them all to redpill, and you lose 9 of them, but one of them soaks in the knowledge and hits the ground running, and now you have a friend you can build and grow with, and talk about this stuff with... I sort of see that as being worth it.
Also, I think we put too much stress on keeping around friends who are not worthwhile. EVEN back in my beta days, I maintained friendships with people that had a completely opposite viewpoint. Back in my democrat days, I had friends that were extremely conservative / republican. Back in my "respect women" phase I had friends that treated women like shit. It wouldn't have been possible to expose me to RP back in the day, and then ghost said friend... not in my makeup. So even ignoring all this shit, I think you find the quality people... the people that are really your friends, and not your friends just because you happen to share similar beliefs.
Nikkozezim 5y ago
A cuck is merely a man devoid of honor for himself. Although most men get cucked, it is the response that makes the man. What happens to us is out of our control.
jackactaylor 5y ago
This resonated with me.
Wise words bro.
L0neWolfAlpha 5y ago
So my cock gargling whore ex wife who fucked half of Las Vegas is out of my control but being the best man I can be after this shitshow is in my control. Got it!
Pragmaticpandas 5y ago
I sense the sarcasm but you’re actually exactly right. Although it was also in your control to not get married...
Jejmaze 5y ago
Unfortunately TRP isn't always discovered in time to avert disaster
Ivabighairy1 5y ago
Why would you marry a cock gargling whore? Hit the Sidebar!
olimpicus 5y ago
Hey guys, i'm learning.
Would you turn into a plate an ex who cheated on you? I don't know what a redpilled guy would do and i acknowledge i'm still a whitebelt on these kind of issues. Any comments? Thanks in advance
farendsofcontrast 5y ago
Ghost her and go NC, never give closure, there’s plenty of fresher and younger pussy waiting for you.
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randomTATRP 5y ago
The most usual comments about this are "fuck if you think you won't get attached" and "she's an ex for a reason". If you had phenomenal sex with her and you won't get needy, I'd say go for it. But I'm probably wrong according to TRP :D
olimpicus 5y ago
sex was extremely good but i'm sure she is a bpd person... i think i'll try to avoid her even though she is my boss lol i know i fucked up. Thanks to all who replied
olimpicus 5y ago
hmm maybe i'd fail, i think i will go the no contact-no closure way.
HornedBul 5y ago
unless the sex with her was insane and you can keep it purely sexual (i.e. don't get caught up in trying things with her again), no.
drop any contact with her
olimpicus 5y ago
tbh i'm not sure of myself... i'm considering maybe let her suck my dick and then go no contact
thirstybitch13 5y ago
cool, can i fuck your next wife? You've got a nice little path set up in your head where your rationalize being a faggy cuck. I'm not judging, I'm just hoping to plate your LTRs because it sounds easy.
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xtbfx 5y ago
Oh shit.. Just read the highlighted part. That's some next level shit.. Does he mean he's sleeping with other women during that month? Is it official gf or main plate? Does he mean taking her to a sex club and girlfriend swapping ? What's the context?
NoFaithInThisSub 5y ago
you got greedy Martin!
jonpe87 5y ago
"I decided to give him a chance and kept listening until he said that letting your girlfriend fuck other guys for a month is a good way to deal with the fear of losing her. What's even worse is that when he attacked traditional masculinity, claimed that "You are enough the way you are!!" and promoted cuckoldry, everyone in the room nodded in approval or even cheered his words. "
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Awesome idea! Send your gfs for one month to me
Presidentfort 5y ago
Could someone share the Rollo post on long distance relationships? Thanks in advance
syn1us 5y ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/therationalmale.com/2011/09/20/letting-go-of-invisible-friend/amp/
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TRP8myfeels 5y ago
LOL
I bet he's willing to fuck her that month for you as well. Not a bad hustle.
I suppose 'letting' 'your' 'girlfriend' all sounds pretty funny to me. If you get to LTR with a woman and she still wants to fuck other dudes, you are either in an open relationship of some kind, or you made a mistake.
I'm going to need this PUA's name.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
LOL good catch.
He’s probably like, who here has a hot girl? You? Yeah, I’m going bang her as a favor to you so you won’t worry about losing her.
Dash_of_islam 5y ago
I'll even do it free of charge because you seem like a man with potential and I want to propel you in the right direction lol
whatdidshewrite 5y ago
Best way to get over the fear of dying is to kill yourself
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FuCkInG gEnIuS
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ChesterRickman 5y ago
You should have let him make that mistake and learn on his own. I've done a very similar thing as he did, but the girl atleast was a solid 7. I'm an attractive guy, so my game was shit because I thought a girl will find me on her own, and when I did really catch feelings it took me close to a year to get over it. It's out of your control, self-help can't be forced and it's progress is extremely personal.
drawden63 5y ago
With regards to your friend, If he goes to Copenhagen and it all goes to shit (which we all know it will) he will be surrounded by an abundance of 8s and 9s. Im sure he'll find a way of forgetting about her.
Foobyx 5y ago
cucked pua:
Gosh, it's incredible how people can become retard when somebody is on stage with a mic and speak decently. They leave their critical mind at the entrance.
NorthEasternNomad 5y ago
2008 really drove this lesson home.
The_Red_Choice 5y ago
Its too easy for weak minded people to fall into the trap of comfort. Remember why you’re here and that AWALT. Unicorns aren’t real and he never actually took the red pill. It was mental masturbation with hopes of one day finding the one.
redvelvet_oreo 5y ago
What I Noticed from well known PUAs now at days is that they are obligated in someway to comply to the Politcally Correct bullshit. Even if you watch RSD videos there seems to be one or two females in their newer videos but I get the sense it’s more a compliance thing not general interest. Look at their old videos they were more ruggged and raw and spit a lot of TRP truth. I guess they all don’t want to end up like Roosh and lose their business (albeit Roosh still sells but if we’re a bigger platform like RSD he would have nothing. Bigger you are the harder you fall)
In a way I under stand the reasoning. I kind of give RSD a pass because aside from their transformation nonsense their gaming videos they never stray to far from the truth but they always wrap it up in you have to be nice or apologize in contexts I could never see myself doing or any real red pilled guy doing(ask for compliance every step of the way lulz) . Be smart extract the good info filter out the bullshit.
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I bought into one of those PUA seminars, but I ended up not going. I'm weary about guys in general who want to earn a buck off of your misery. This is the same for TRP, which is why I'll never spend anymore than the $20 on TRM because it is still self-righteous no matter how you look at it.
NorthEasternNomad 5y ago
These seminars sound like the Lifetime channel for BP men.
No thanks.
syn1us 5y ago
Luckily this one was free because they were constantly advertising their products throughout the seminar.
mrp_awakening 5y ago
If their products really worked, they'd put themselves out of business.
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redbearsociety 5y ago
That guy doesn't need any philosophy, he needs to learn to get in touch with and master his damned emotions. The dude is just lying to himself about what he wants out of fear of being alone forever.
Shaman6624 5y ago
Something something.. bucket on their heads.
drkinferno72 5y ago
Shouldve been nothing more than a fwb at that point
Your buddy learned something
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olimpicus 5y ago
I'm geting out of oneitis your post was what i needed. She was an old regular girl with a great ass. Nothing to die for.
Thanks bro great post, i'm learning.
Also fuck that cucked PUA
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MethIsDeath 5y ago
They're not Pickup Artists, they're Con Artists. They say some shit that is self-evident like "confidence is the most important thing in attracting women" and "make yourself the prize" then interlace it with this blue-pilled mindset of "you are enough". No, you're not. Not if you're the type of person to voraciously watch their videos and even go to their seminars. They're doing it to drive retention of customers, cause easy emotional validation is all that people want these days. They don't want to actually hear the ugly truth and improve themselves. Disgusting.
Varsel 5y ago
You cannot save a fool from being what he is, all you can do is what you did....rest assured, your life will be far better off without a fool in it. Learn from your mistakes, and do not repeat them. Do not make friends with stupid people.
Cha_Cha_cho 5y ago
This is his own doing. Good on you trying to give some advice.
UEMcGill 5y ago
Really? Pearls before swine if you ask me. OP should ghost this bro like a disrespectful plate. His friend is a sad sack of shit who is affraid of living his life. So he lies to himself out of fear.
Everyone in your life should add value. OP's friend became an energy-vampire. I would go to the ends of the world to help a friend who asked me. But if he came to me and wanted to whine and complain I'd tell him to quit being a bitch.
syn1us 5y ago
Yep, I have no interest in being his friend anymore. He will eventually realize that I was right and he will come to me, time will tell if I accept him back into my life or not.
Jejmaze 5y ago
That makes sense. I would have a lot of forgiveness with a friend of 8+ years but there's only so much you can do. Wasting your energy does no one any good.
conquersex 5y ago
I feel like he could've had explained what was going to happen more explicitly instead of just sending links. Had he tried harder his friend could have maybe taken precautions, looked for red flags, and been more careful in general. Who knows, even changed his mind.
syn1us 5y ago
I tried to convince him rationally before sending links. The links were an attempt to get him to remember what we used to talk about, as a last resource.
ProFriendZoner 5y ago
The hard part is once he used you for your knowledge and he got what he wanted, you got tossed away like a used rag. You invested in him. He had a much lower investment in you. You have to remember that a beta bitch acts like a woman, so you have to treat them as such. Had you of Red Pilled him like a woman the result may have been different.
conquersex 5y ago
You did what you could then. You can't change what a person's karma has fated for them.
CookieAdmiral 5y ago
Give us an update when they break up.
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Giant-__-Otter 5y ago
Re PUAs: as with everything in TRP, you want to separate the wheat from the chaff. SGM says to be open to any of your bitch's fantasies. Really? Well I love what's in this book, it has made me a much better lover, but the woman that's going to peg me hasn't been born yet.
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
My friend went full MGTOW/incel. This happened after a stupid LDR. The girl cucked him.
helenvsgladys 5y ago
Even as a youngster in the days before TRP, this always bothered me about PUA guys. I couldn’t quite articulate it at the time, but I detected that, underneath all the theory, they were largely still blue pilled as fuck.