I hope I helped some men after they read my short post last week about being a shitty alpha. My post today is about the actions women automatically make when approached by any alpha.
First let me say that automatically is a great term for women, because given the right circumstance, all women can not resist a man they consider the alpha. Women are built to accept what the alpha wants. If the alpha wants sex with her, and a woman has no repercussions for that sex, the woman will always accept it. It doesn't matter if she is married or she is smart, the action in the woman's mind is on a physiological level. In other words a woman will basically act like an animal in heat for some time while responding to an alpha man's sexual advances. Sexually proven alpha men have seen this behavior in women and trust that it will occur with most women they meet. That's what the "confidence" that women talk about is.
About the criteria women have for alphas
Women determine if a man is alpha using criteria. If a man passes all the criteria, she will accept sex from him given the right situation.
- Do people respect the man in the group she shares with him?
- Do people follow the man in the group she shares with him?
- Does the man make efforts to protect the people in the groups he leads?
- Is the man capable of protecting the people in his groups?
- Does the man have control over his emotions?
- Does the man understand what other people are thinking?
- Is the man comfortable when she enters his personal space?
- Is the man pursuing her sexually?
- Are other women sexual with the man?
- Can the man be provoked or intimidated by her?
My experience has been that if there are no other alpha choices to pick from, a woman will always accept sexual advances from any alpha regardless of looks etc. If there is competition, women will prefer all the usual features you already know. However, the basic requirements above are much more important than looks or money. The reason is that women change their emotional state quickly for each group they enter. If you are the only alpha in a group, most of the women in that group will react well to your sexual advances. It doesn't matter if they have other alphas in their life, as long as you are the only one they have access to for a period of time. Alphas are rare, and if for instance a woman has a boyfriend, she physiologically desires to have an alpha's kids over her boyfriend's, so will take any opportunity to make that happen.
All women make subconscious actions to be more available to alphas
There are some subconscious actions women make when they are attracted:
- The 'hover': a woman will make a plausible excuse to stand in a man's field of view or close proximity, such as "looking at something". Often she will walk into the man's field of view, then stop dead in the center of the man's view, and then look around, maybe using her tippy toes, before continuing onward in the same direction. She will not look at the man, and in fact will usually look in the exact opposite direction of the man if she stops.
- Footsie: women will wag a foot around a lot if they are sitting next to a man they are attracted to. I think this is because her foot is in the man's view but the rest of her isn't.
- Boob thrust: while in the man's view, the woman will stretch her arms, or play with her hair while pushing her boobs out
- Tippy toes: She will stand on her tippy toes when you are looking in her direction and she is pointed away
- Popping in: The woman will consistently time her appearance to match the man she is interested in
- Always on the mind: She will often mention the man when she talks for no particular reason
- Unnecessary touching: accidentally bumping your hand, or touching you in any way during conversation
- Uncontrollably weak: She shivers in a warm setting or her back or legs are weak when you are talking to her (if a woman does this, she is probably sufficiently attracted to you such that you could show her into a bathroom and have sex with her on the spot, even if you haven't talked to her before)
I once saw a woman send some of these signals to me, then had sex with her, then watched her do them to another man and asked her about them. She had no idea she was doing them. She did admit she was attracted to the man I watched her do them to. After you start to notice them, you'll know immediately when a woman wants you to talk with her because she thinks you might be an alpha. Its completely subconscious on their part. Don't get mad if you notice your girlfriend do these things to another man, she can't help it. Just don't let her be around that man anymore.
Alphas are a group's caretaker
The alpha mindset is one of responsibility over the group, so most of the behaviors you can learn while becoming an alpha stem from that. Start thinking of the people and things around you as "yours" -- not in the sense as of slaves -- but in the sense of a garden you are tending. Have good intentions for all of the people around you, and be looking out for them by protecting them and giving them what they need to thrive.
You don't tell a garden you are going to do things for it and expect to be compensated. You also don't demand a garden to provide for you and expect it to. If pests come and destroy the garden, you don't blame the garden, you blame yourself. In all, you simply tend the garden as best you can and if fruits come, they are yours to take.
To a benevolent alpha, people and spaces are like that. In this way love all the men and women in your group and give them the things they need to thrive regardless of whether the women want sex or not. In fact, try to get the women in your group to be with men in your group. If women want sex with you, then do your best to accommodate them in this spirit of wanting them to do well. However, don't demand from them, don't promise them, don't reprimand them in order to get sex. This "gardening" mindset goes a long way.
Here are some other specifics I recommend:
- Learn to accept when people look at you when you are looking at them. If you have the alpha mindset, people will understand you are an alpha male trying to determine what their intentions are, and aren't just staring to intimidate them. Women will be shy and passive if they realize this is your intention. Men will be friendly.
- Appreciate the color of people's eyes. When you are talking to anyone, try to appreciate the details in their irises. Everyone's got eyes, and most peoples have a lot of interesting detail in theirs. Make it a hobby to note the color and texture of each person you meet.
- When people walk toward you, don't move out of the way to let them by. Let them walk around you. This behavior shows you assume other people accommodate you and not vice versa. Its especially important with women.
- Let other people talk. Most people are insecure and want to be assured by the leader they are accepted. Ask people about things they mention, and tell them the truth about what you think about how they respond. Don't interrupt people and let silence linger. With girls especially, an innocuous conversation about anything can be powerful if you lock eyes and let gaps in conversation turn into silence.
- If you notice a woman is showing signs she is interested in you, it is ok to look at her boobs, crotch, and butt while she is looking at you. In fact, I make a point to show women I am evaluating them. If a woman is sitting talking to me, I will let my eyes linger on her crotch or boobs for some time as we chat. If a woman is truly interested in you, she will not be offended. This shows her clearly in a way only she will notice that you are interested in her sexually and shows you are confident.
Alphas are gene dealers
When you get to a certain level of experience, you can see that almost every girl around you is subconsciously looking for some genes to make a baby, and will settle for just about any alpha she can. A woman doesn't even have to like an alpha to want them to be their baby dady. In fact, women look at "random" alphas in a physiological way as gene dealers, and don't really want to be around them except to receive their dose of genes and then go back to their usual life.
In this way, a woman will test potential alphas to see how they will react when she goes back to her normal life before she has sex with them. If she sees that you are a risk to her status or that you may blow her cover, she will move on. For this reason, it is important that you can accept that a woman owes you nothing if she decides to have sex with you. On a subconscious level she only wants an alpha's cum and no other part of him unless he can improve some other part of her life.
Here are some simple tips for being a "gene dealer" type of alpha:
- Don't do anything that isn't plausibly deniably innocent in order to interact with a woman
- Don't ask questions about her situation. Just talk about right now and talk about things you or she like. If she has a significant other and wants to have sex with you anyway, you are doing both of them a service by having sex with her.
- As soon as you have reached a new peak of sexual excitement with a girl, it is usually better to excuse yourself. Always leave on a peak so they want more. The peak can be something like when you've stared into their eyes while chatting, or when you've touched in a non innocent way for the first time. For me today, it was a girl showing me nude modeling pics (I mean "art") of herself while being very close and touching arms.
- After leaving a woman, don't rush to be around that woman afterwards, simply let it happen. She may help it to happen the next time. The pause between times seeing the girl is an important test of whether you will possibly blow her cover.
- Each time you talk with a girl in a private scenario, reach a new higher peak. The next time I see the girl above and have a good opportunity, we will have sex. It will probably be in her office.
- When the woman is ready to have sex, you must be ready to go or she may decide you are an unreliable gene dealer and find a new one. In the same way, if you don't cum, she probably won't come back. She has to take a big risk to take your dick and it isn't worth it if you aren't delivering.
- After sex, accept anything the woman decides or does. She may come back again for another "dose" or not. It shouldn't matter to you. For me, women usually don't like my personality (and so don't want to be friends), I also don't have status (so they don't want to be my girlfriend), but they will test whether I will provide for them. When I don't take any of the hooks they dangle for provisioning, they usually ghost me or show up for sex only.
- I don't call or text women I've had sex with like this, mostly because I'm lazy. I just let things happen and if it continues it will be out of circumstance. Sometimes a girl will go out of her way, but that isn't what usually happens for me.
Try your best to recognize what a girl wants from you, and clearly choose what you will give her. Don't expect your fantasy from her. Just take the fruits of your garden, and only blame yourself if you didn't get what you wanted.
Balderdash79 5y ago
This.
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Met a PoF hookup at the liquor store where she worked. I showed up in work clothes: chef pants, white t-shirt, ivy cap, and black shoes.
She was busy stocking shelves with her back to me.
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I said "Hello, <NAME>."
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She turned around, looked in the eyes, blushed, and started shivering like she was cold.
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Ended up fucking her that night in my vehicle in a parking garage, then a few days later got a blow job in the walk-in beer cooler, then a few days after that I fucked her in the bathroom of the attached sports bar.
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Later I asked her about the shivering and she said when she saw me standing there, I could have literally just bent her right over the counter and took her from behind and she would have loved it.
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I looked it up. It is called "rape sexy".
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Plated her for a while but got bored and cut her loose.
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Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Disagree with the "excite her and leave" option. You dont have time to dick around in life. If you are at a bar or party another guy will swoop in. If you are in a random social setting you may never see her again. There are very few situations where this is actually good advice unless you have been fucking this girl already and have her firmly in your palms
whuttupfoo 5y ago
This line of thinking comes from a lack of abundance. If you have an abundant dating life, you don’t need to worry about another guy swooping in, there are plenty of other women. That actually shows neediness.
Leaving her will actually make her attraction towards you grow. They’ll always come back around if you’re the prize. I’ve got women patiently waiting months to see me because of this “excite her and leave”. It’s not an intentional thing I do, it’s just that I have an abundance mindset, I don’t have to invest more time than I need to.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Lol you couldn’t be more wrong, probably from lack of experience. You can have abundance to not care, but if you’re talking to a girl at a party or bar then you’re shooting yourself in the foot by leaving.
You can jerk off to being “the prize” all you want. Fact is even if you’re a top 10% dude there will be other top 10% dudes around waiting to swoop in. He who waits masturbates and by not escalating and showing intent you will just be warming her up for a different cock
whuttupfoo 5y ago
You just explained my point. Your entire comment comes from a place of neediness. A man with abundance truly doesn't give a fuck what the outcome is, and knows if that chick gets fucked, there are endless amounts of chicks to take home. I have been in a situation where she's into another guy after I left. Guess how easy it is to take her back? You just go up to her and grab her by the arm "Watch out she's mine". Most guys won't do a fucking thing about it.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
We are talking about what works and what doesnt. Not 'how to not appear needy'. You want to fuck that girl then this is shit advice. You want to appear not needy to her so while she is getting fucked by someone else that night she thinks "geee, whuttupfoo sure isnt needy" then pat yourself on the back mission accomplished
IvyExcess 5y ago
You are both right depending on the circumstances. It can go all ways. You do the legwork of getting her hot and then a fuckboy swoops your girl at the club. I've been in both spots. Ive met a girl, ran game on her friend, didn't pull but left an impression on them, girl A came back at a later date. I've lit girls up like a Christmas tree emotionally, walked away and two years later they find me on instagram when their boyfriend finally is gone. It goes all ways.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Exactly, it all depends on how much this girl is on your finger. I’ve been in both situations too.
Situation 1: girl that you’re chatting up at party/bar. You leave her to talk to other women, guys. This shows that you’re personable, life of the party, and she wants you more. Works
Situation 2: you’re chatting up girl at bar party. You go to talk to other people. Another guy goes to her and closes where you didn’t. She doesn’t give a fuck about you talking to other people because a new guy is showing her attention. You just missed your chance in an effort to look cool
Been in both situations both times. If the girl is really into you and you’ve already ‘won’ then go ahead and don’t show neediness. If it’s a girl you just met then you are playing yourself by trying to play her
whuttupfoo 5y ago
The key difference is you don't do this intentionally. You do it because you truly don't give a fuck. Situation 2 happens out of neediness. Situation 1 comes from abundance.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
lmao whatever you tell yourself bud. If you are doing it with the end goal of fucking her then yes, at some level you do care.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
The "leave" thing doesn't have to be for days. It can be only a few minutes (i.e. simply excusing yourself and talking to someone else for a couple of minutes).
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Still shit advice. Yes you can look like you don’t need her. But it also opens up the door for another dude to move in
reluctantly_red 5y ago
A calculated risk. Hovering over her is a far worse move.
The old movie The Tao of Steve summed this up:
be desireless (i.e. not thirsty)
be excellent (i.e. do something in her presence to showcase your value)
be gone (women desire that which recedes from them)
Guys need to let women be active participants in their own capture.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Hovering over her like a chump is worse, escalating/isolating and going for the kill is best. Or meeting and hanging out with her friends. Or any number of things.
You can be as great as you fucking want but there will be another if not multiple guys at any venue that have the same value package you do and when you leave the girl for 30 minutes because you want to build desire or some bullshit another guy will swoop in and smash that puss. If you have an over the top value package (ie you were singing in the band that just performed), sure you can get away with playing games. But if you aren’t then you’re better off continuing to court her throughout the night.
The larger the difference in smv between you and your target the more you can get away with leaving her alone to talk to other people. But if she’s high enough not to get strung out on one random dude then she will have no problems jumping on the dick of the next guy with a similar value package to yours
He who waits masturbates. Don’t play silly games, you won’t win.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Sure there'll always be other guys hitting on her -- let them -- if you're a high value guy this will only make you look better in comparison. If you're indistinguishable from the mass of other guys to her its not going to be that great anyway.
Here's an example from my youth. When I was 20 I was at the local bar on a Friday night (drinking age is 18 in Alberta). I was chatting with an 18 year old girl who I went to high school with and who had lived on a farm a few miles down the road. Previously I'd just thought of her her as a nice kid but she'd shall we say matured. We chatted for awhile and then I left with a couple of my friends. We came back to the bar to get an off-sale case of beer for later just before last call. The girl from down the road was still there and very upset (i.e. crying). Seems some guy was mean to her. I offered to drive her home to her new apartment a few blocks away. I walked her to her door made sure she was alright and said goodnight. Ran into her again the next day and just about had to fight her off. We dated for some time after and she was down for just about anything!
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
value is relative mate. I’m pretty damn high value myself. 6’+, lift regularly, dress well, top 10% income for my age, interesitng hobbies, prestigious education, pretty charismatic, etc. enough that it’s rare on a dating app that if I swipe right on a girl she doesn’t match me back. Have dated and courted college cheerleaders, models, dance team members, doctors, etc. (enough to know AWALT). This isn’t me jerking myself off, it’s to show that even if your game is tight then you can still be outclassed. If I go after a 5 or 6 in the bar then sure, I can flirt with her, walk away, and be better than her competition. But it’s all RELATIVE
When you’re going after top girls you’re playing high stakes poker. My background is great, but it doesn’t mean shit when the handsome doctor hits on her, or the minor league baseball player, or the guy backpacking from Italy, or any number of shiny objects that can grab her attention. So sure if you want to constantly go after girls 2-3 points below you then by all means give them a taste and walk away for them to come crawling back. But top tier women don’t go crawling after a cock unless they’ve had it before and built it up in their mind as something fantastic or your value package is ABSURD (like owning the bar you’re at, or being a genetic wonder of a male with perfect everything). Can it work? Yes. But more times than not 1 of the other 4-5 top tier guys in the bar will make a pass and she will not care about you.
ElXToro 5y ago
Why do you have to care so much about that 1 specific woman ?
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
lol who says I do? The post was about best advice to fuck someone. Acting alpha around the bar hoping she gets jelly aint gonna cut it most times.
ElXToro 5y ago
I think that This kind of mindset can easily grow into a oneitis
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An excellent post, OP. A lot of these points made me realise some of the men I know who get consistently laid do embody these traits.
I agree with most of your post, except for one point.
The core tenets of TRP philosophy emphasize on having sex on your terms, and getting what you want, when you want it and how you want it. I feel like this point makes it look like I'm pandering to her wishes and entering her frame.
beachbloke 5y ago
Its really a different situation. In this situation, she is taking you because you are available. She simply can't be constantly available to you because people would catch on eventually. She's not going to be overt about her motives because its too risky. Also, I have noticed in these situations that girls have a mental timer where if I'm not aggressive enough, they will move on. Maybe I'm the exception not the rule, but for me when it is time, and a woman is "in heat" and she gets this dazed look and lets you do whatever you want, its then or never.
Perksie1027 5y ago
Ha ha no way. You should be ready to hammer it. Like in ok car park at 2am in Ibiza back in the day. While her white night friend who she flew out with cane looking for her. Oh man wish I was 22 again
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GodOfDinosaurs 5y ago
When I was in a fraternity, I noticed that girls would go crazy for whoever the fraternity president was. Didn't matter if he was on the shorter side or mediocre in the looks department etc. The president always had nearly limitless access to pussy.
Why? Because being president forced them to take on the roles you describe here, and they naturally adopted a more alpha demeanor. The president was responsible for the well-being and protection of the fraternity. At parties this meant managing risk, settling disputes, etc. Everyone respected him and deferred to his authority. The fraternity was his garden and women picked up on this instantly.
Good post
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Same experience. It was noted that being the president changed you, and guys traditionally meek would come in and come out absolutely slaying.
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Similarly, if you are at a party and a girl finds out you are a pledge she will fucking bail in a heartbeat
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
I agree but don't forget there is a reason he became president in the 1st place. If he was some loser it would barely benefit him... It's just a force multiplier of having solid game. If first you got X amount of pussy now you get 5X with barely putting in more effort. If you have decent game you can probably get more pussy by creating an environment where you're the so-called 'situational alpha' than you would by working out 6 times a week, improving your game etc.
Being the 'situational alpha' has an insane rate on return. I would recommend it to anyone who has an intermediate level of game if you want to move a step or 2 up. The first time you experience it, it kind of feels like being a mini rockstar, like you're famous within a small circle.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
any good advice to cultivate some of these situational alpha opportunities ?
phibetared 5y ago
Lead a group somehow. Organize some people and take them to a bar or anywhere there will be women for you to meet. Give a seminar somewhere. Take charge of a situation anywhere.
In a bar, find a girl you are not interested in and make her point out a guy she wants to meet. ("Hey quick, is there any guy here you want to meet (besides me, of course)") Then go get that guy - and make him come over to the girl. You just showed every other girl you can take charge and make other men do things. Plus you weren't interested in the first girl, which means you have higher standards. (or for that matter, try this with a girl you ARE interested in)
nross368 5y ago
be the best at something or be different. Less competition = better results
Auvergnat 5y ago
I’ve often commented on TRP about the importance of this factor, which I usually term “local status”, which GLO mention as “situational alpha”, which Jordan Peterson hints at when he talks about “social hierarchy”, etc.
Going to a yoga class might not help you get laid, but being the yoga instructor very well may. Going to a party might not help you get laid, but being the host very well may. Playing the guitar might not help you get laid, but being the lead singer in a band performing at a venue very well may.
Too many guys unaware of female sexual strategy end up projecting their own sexual attraction rules onto women. “Step 1: Be attractive. Step 2: Don’t be unattractive.” is both incredibly common and short-sighted. Incels have made it into a dogma. It’s good to have comments like yours and posts like OP’s to correct the record.
I would even go as far as arguing that male physical attractiveness is important only insofar as its effect on local status, aka a hot guy gets the girl because in a context when she knows next to nothing about him and his competitors (randoms in the street, tinder, club or bar), physique becomes the only criteria available to her to appreciate the local hierarchy, and the hot guy ends up being highest local status in that information-poor hierarchy. But develop the social context a bit more and add more cues for her to appreciate who is the “top man” in it, and you’ll see male physical attractiveness become increasingly irelevant.
Be smart enough to understand this dynamics and cunning enough to create a social environment that has you at the top.
JellyRev 5y ago
A typical college party if you know the hosts its a great place to be. unless they treat you like shit(why would you go). In college at parties when the host and I seen ourselves as equals or the host praised me(usually for my cold approach) it was the best pickings. Far better than a bar or club. A simple but semi formal collared shirt and some simple flair(watch, necklace, special hat) made it very easy. When a male alpha shows up you know and there wasnt more than 3 at a party of 100. Easy to spot competition back then.
I'm at my best as a lone wolf. My hs friends are all chads and they do admire my work. they would exchange tips with me but their game was always shit just being chad.
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AllThatJack 5y ago
Great post, this and the OP. I’d like to add the beauty in this is by behaving in such a manner we find ourselves becoming the man that is not only desired by the female species, but more importantly, by ourselves. It’s been said time and time again, the journey is where the beauty is. We set goals, achieve them, set new goals. We grow stronger inside and out by tending the garden, protecting those close to us and become a person people want to spend time with. This is amazingly powerful stuff. The younger guy’s here equate everything to plates, number of lays, quality of women because at that age let’s be honest, the cock is hard more often than it is at rest. As we grow and get older, things change, we find ourselves focussed on quality of life at all levels and we are no longer proving ourselves by whose pants we can get in.
Through all of this, you will probably not become “Alpha” in it’s truest sense and it really doesn’t matter. What you will become is the best version of yourself and reap all of the associated rewards with that discovery. Good stuff, have a great day gentlemen.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Situational Alpha is laid bare in social settings when a women enters your guy group, I learnt it the hard way.
I had a friendship group where I was by far the more capable individual, every time a women came into our group, it would be easy pickings for me.
Years later joined another friendship group, much higher standard, all fairly smooth, was much harder to get an edge.
On the plus side it forced me to raise my game, the competition brought out the best in me and due to our higher standard of male the girls that would enter our social circle were way hotter.
It made a better me and got better quality women for it. On one hand being comfortable as the situational alpha is nice, on the other hand it's good to push yourself.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Went to a party recently with a friend. Someone at his tech company had rented out part of a bar. I think it was about 30% gay guys, 60% tech nerds, and a few normies. I looked around and realized I was actually the best looking guy there. Not that I'm bad looking, but usually I'm probably not the best looking guy in a room of 15. There was a cute HR chick that I talked to for a few minutes. Later in the night she looked over at me and patted the empty seat on the bench next to her, motioning me over. AMOG is everything.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
Use the first to build confidence.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
It is absolutely pathetic the extent some women will go to when it comes to the situational alpha. I have seen girls flock to the QB of a coed flag football team for example, despite being not very athletic or good looking
MatrixofLe3adership 5y ago
It's not pathetic it's just what they do. Slightly amusing maybe
spndxwra 5y ago
side bar this shit! gold standard post.
thanks for sharing!
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krym33 5y ago
Great post.
Never thought about the group caretaker, just played the role without knowing, quite good to have a theory (that can be applied) behind it.
MrGreySD 5y ago
An excellent post. This is the best kind of TRP content.
Like you I have experienced a lot of these signs from women first hand. Some notable examples would be:
- Instant, overt displays of attraction upon discovering my status within a certain environment (owner of small cocktail bar keeping a low profile). Also amusing how they pretend to not know.
- Instant, overt displays of attraction when anywhere with a hot enough girl (try walking around anywhere in the west with a 9/10 Eastern European girl - watching male/female reactions will RedPill you more than any post on this subreddit)
- Noticeably heightened interest after one of their female friends/colleagues interacting with you
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The more you experience these things, the more you realize how primal women still are.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Another example - be in a friend group with women (bonus points if 30+) and date someone 6-7 years younger than them
masterpiece00 5y ago
This aint the 1950's League of Gentlemen anymore, all this i am tough staring is a sign of aggression and in this day and age will get you assaulted or killed, and this instruction puts too much confidence in the hope the other people will just understand your intentions arn't anything but natures natural instincts and your asking them to drop their survival instincts. How about just notice whom is around you, be pleasant and get on with your day. - Looking in men's eyes noticing his intricate details? - Homosexual much?
Yeah walk around big cities with your chest out, challenging people to a walking joust to see who moves - surely not going to make a problem for you, unless you are 6 foot 8 with an uzi.
All this for?? - You're own ego trip that you are now ALPHA - it doesn't mean shit other than you've become another poser.
beachbloke 5y ago
Its not about being tough or intimidating people. Its about not caring about other people's perception of you.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
This shit works. If you walk down the street like you own it you won't get messed with. I've been in some pretty crappy gang infested neighborhood and nobody has ever messed with me -- even when I'm taking photos and notes (i.e. crime scene investigation and documentation).
nross368 5y ago
Until you meet someone with a bigger ego than you
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Then you do the who's dick is bigger dance. My clients call this mad dogging.
Its actually kind of fun -- you can use this skill to freak the fuck out of your UMC acquaintances. I do it to my ex-wife's new husband all the time (we're often at the same kids' events).
nross368 5y ago
UMC = United Methodist Church? I was talking about the crazy ones that only have their ego to survive. Like pull a knife to prove I'm tougher kind of dude. Niggas from Compton really don't like it when a white guys showing them up
reluctantly_red 5y ago
UMC = upper middle class
I'm not white.
nross368 5y ago
Oh well in that case it's completely different.
masterpiece00 5y ago
How bout just walk around the object in your path?
reluctantly_red 5y ago
That signals weakness. The last thing you want to do in a tough neighborhood. That said you don't purposefully walk at people.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
Nobody is stronger than a bullet or a knife, and all it takes is one half-assed attempt to kill you. Disrespecting other men by intentionally moving into their personal space will work until it doesn't.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Its kind of like a ritual dance -- no one gets hurt when it done right. But its probably something the clueless shouldn't attempt.
xtuff 5y ago
Fantastic post. Obviously coming from someone experienced. Take notes kids.
This is how high level men view sex and dating.
And we all hope to become high level men AKA Alphas.
vtr0 5y ago
“Just don’t let her be around that man anymore.” — how? Telling her she can’t is beta mate-guarding.
beachbloke 5y ago
You don't have to tell her. You can just help it not happen. I don't have a gf right now, but the last one I did, I just told her I would dump her if I suspected she was crushing on any other dude. That kept her straight as an arrow, and she would ask me if I would be happy if she went to somewhere beforehand. She was pretty boring, so she didn't go out to the kinds of places she would meet a dude. Worked fine for me and made me happy. Do what you want to tho
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Halitenina 5y ago
TRP does not endorse physical violence against women.
Field_Of_View 5y ago
Okay, this is where the mental gymnastics get a little too wild for me. You're doing another man a service by cucking him? A service to him would be if you told him about her infidelity. If you're encouraging her infidelity and keeping it a secret you are actively working against the man and you have to be really fucking delusional to think otherwise.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
you're not encouraging shit. She'd cheat anyways with another guy if she wanted. if she doesn't cheat with you, then she'll cheat with someone else.
Field_Of_View 5y ago
there's a solid chance of this, but there is also the chance that it was a one time weakness of hers and she never ends up cheating. and in order to fuck her you're definitely encouraging her cheating. everything you do in this pursuit will be geared towards making her feel okay about cheating, otherwise you'd be shooting yourself in the foot. you're just selling her what she's eager to buy already, no debate there, but if she hit on a guy who dismissed her and made her feel bad about being a potential cheater this would condition her to feel bad the next time, too. if she has already cheated a bunch of times you're not going to make a difference, but if it's her first time and you prevent that and create a bad memory you may well have conditioned her to never cheat. the redpill mindset, when it condones being "the other guy" absolutely makes the situation worse. it's not neutral. it's not "enjoying the decline", it IS the decline (or rather part of it). when we make cheating whores feel okay about themselves we are accelerating the decline. whether we can and want to live with that is up to the individual.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Unlikely. It wont be a "one time weakness" if she never considered it before.
Go ahead forgive a woman for cheating and write it off as a "one time weakness" see what happens.
A woman who does not want to have sex with a man does not put herself alone in a room with a man. So if she is alone with a man, that means she is considering cheating. Doesnt matter if you encourage her, if she wont do it she wont do it.
No. Shed just think he's gay or something and go flirt with another guy. You're thinking like a man - women dont think like that.
Field_Of_View 5y ago
I'm not talking about forgiving a woman for cheating, or for anything else. I'm talking about the scenario where she is tempted to cheat and then two possible outcomes occur: She does or she does not. If she does not there's a chance she never will. If she does the chance is way higher she will do it again. Sluttiness is not entirely innate (although I'd argue it is to a large extent as are most things but normies are uncomfortable with this perspective). There is a learned component to it. If you feel tempted to do a bad thing and then it turns out great, you have a good time and you're not punished for it, you're more likely to do it again. If you're about to do a bad thing and then get hit with slut shaming and no sexual release you'll go home defeated and will be less likely to try again.
Yeah, that would be a little late to get second thoughts. But what happens before you end up in a room alone with her? Do you tell her your true opinion about sluts cheating on their boyfriends? Or do you smooth-talk her with bullshit that will put her at ease about what she's doing? DISCLAIMER: Sociopaths who never feel bad about encouraging sluts are free to act however they want, within the law. I'm not trying to stop you dark triad badasses from maximizing your pleasure while giving zero fucks about society. But I suspect most of us aren't like that. I'm not like that, and there's a point at which I have to admit that to myself and face the fact that I'd be miserable if I contributed to a slut's condition becoming worse than it had to be.
No, she would say he's gay but actually she would be insecure about why this guy turned her down, it's a defense mechanism. And it's bad fee-fees, exactly how you condition someone to avoid a certain behavior.
idriask 5y ago
I guess bc you are only interested in sex. Other guys may want her as their girlfriend.
whuttupfoo 5y ago
This is some backwards logic. Telling a stranger about his girl's infidelity is going to get you fucked up / possibly attacked by an enraged beta male. This is actually white knight behavior, acting in a way that will make you seem righteous, but really you're just stirring up trouble in the false pretense of doing good.
Field_Of_View 5y ago
there are many ways to contact someone anonymously. Also white knight behavior would be to defend the woman in the scenario, don't mix up my favorite buzzword.
beachbloke 5y ago
Married women cheat all the time. Who's fault is that? Is it the guy who she cheated with? Is it her fault? Is it the husband's fault? You'll get different answers.
My view, having been cheated on, is that if a man is not able to make his girl infatuated with him all the time, and she is not able to control her behavior, then he should dump her. That's my take and I think it serves everyone involved well.
Regarding having sex with a woman with an SO, If a woman lacks self control and is not dedicated to her man, if I don't have sex with her someone else will. If she is responding this way to me, the man who she's dating probably doesn't understand her nature or else he would have not been locked down by her. I have let dudes know when their girl was making herself available to me and it rarely goes well.
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geo_gan 5y ago
So she wants to have your children then it appears and that cuck she married is going to be working and paying all his life to raise your child. Do you think she will come after you for child support too?
whutyomamado 5y ago
Thanks for this, another eye opener!
lala_xyyz 5y ago
Until her hubby finds out and you get smacked in the face with a false rape accusation, or worse beaten or gunned down. Or she gets pregnant and hooks you up for child support. Or gives you AIDS. Etc. Yes you "win" and the husband "loses" but society as a collective loses as well.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
LOL why should any of us care about society? Society sure as hell doesn't care about us
lala_xyyz 5y ago
Because that egotism will lead to your genetic extinction. You must have a stake in the society's future by means of progeny, or everything you do is for nothing, vapid hedonism.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
why would it? I can get some rando pregnant, doesn't mean i'll marry her or will stick around.
Who said?
I care nothing for Western Society and hope it burns. Its past its best before date.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
Or she get an abortion. Or the state can track you down via the DNA. And that child without a father would grow up poor and promiscuous, and get killed early on and terminate your bloodline. It's not a viable reproduction strategy on a larger scale.
Why don't you kill yourself? Even better, relocate to some shithole country in Africa or Asia and enjoy your useless life there?
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
she could. many women don't though because they end up having an attachment to their unborn child.
In order for a dna test to work, they have to have something to compare it to. They sure as hell won't be getting that from me any time soon.
They'll grow up promiscuous anyway, that's just the culture and programming of the society we live in. Children will be exposed to societies programming more to that of their parents anyway. Also, why is it my problem if the child's poor? If they have an ounce of intellect, they will get rich.
ill get many randos preggo.
I don't care either way.
As Marcus Aurelius said, one can end it at any time. I have no desire to, i'm having too much of a great time fucking chicks, reading and exploring. None of that will change if the West collapses (I hope it does, soon).
Is Africa/Asia the only alternatives? There's Eastern Europe too. And the middle east. And South America.
Also you do realize that Asia has a higher quality of life than the West? I'd happily move to Asia when I get the money. That's all the West is good for, is making money.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
They could get it from someone related to you if they uploaded it to some DNA service, and track you down. It's just a matte of time until govt has everyone's DNA sample anyway, and you will be retroactively held liable for child expenses for all the missed years.
Absence of father heavily correlates to increased crime rates, poverty, substance abuse etc. It's very easy to get trapped in a poverty cycle regardless how smart you are. You mindset is pathetic, you're a male equivalent of a modern feminist. Both of you are en route to extinction.
I hope you first catch AIDS, chlamydia, or have an angry bf put 9mm in your forhead.
But what's the point of it? You'll die and all that experience and knowledge would be for nothing. Bette kill yourself now and save us some oxygen.
Eastern Europe is still West, and South America is dirt poor, ridden with violence and feminism. Middle East is an option if you want to be killed though.
It depends on how you define the quality of life. Clean air and sea, hygienic food, safe streets, quality healthcare and public transit, individual rights... I think I'll pass those collectivist shitholes.
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LordIvar 5y ago
Jesus Christ, this is why I can’t see women as human. Cruel bitches.
lobstergenocide 5y ago
The game was rigged from the start, society was never going to win. It doesn't matter that she's fucking him, it matters that she's fucking other guys in the first place. The game doesn't change because you switch out the players.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
The society was winning when women had no or limited reproductive choices, when their mates were elected by their fathers and brothers to seal tribal bonds, enhance alliances, family wealth or status. And it has worked pretty good for hundreds of thousands of years.
lobstergenocide 5y ago
Right, and fucking or not fucking some slut today will play 0% part in bringing all of that back
lala_xyyz 5y ago
By choosing to fuck a slot, instead of shaming her publicly or by notifying her husband, you're just hastening the degeneracy. You are no worse than she is.
lobstergenocide 5y ago
That’s like saying don’t pee in a river because it’ll contribute to breaking the dam. Dam’s gonna break either way no matter what I do, might as well relieve myself
lala_xyyz 5y ago
If the river is made out of people's pees it would be an applicable advice. But it isn't which means your analogy is retarded.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
Then every women would cheat whenever the opportunity presents itself. We have better things to do than let hoes make choices on their stone-age level instincts. Mate guarding has been a viable strategy for millions of years for our ancestors, and there is no reason to let it go. You are all fucking retarded and 100% deserve all the crap hypergamy throws at you.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Yeah it was when you could bash the head in of the other guy. Nowadays you can only 'ask' or remove attention. if you ask her to not cheat, you are weak. if you remove attention, that's a stronger move - not as strong as bashing the other guys head in of course.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
Physical force is not necessary when hypergamy is hamstrung by society's institutions such as laws, tradition and culturally programmed behaviors. That is still at work at Islamic and other traditional countries. It has worked relatively well for hundreds of thousands of years.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Even then women are attracted to men who's violence is hidden/restrained but is bursting to get out. That is where stories of chivalry come from. A violent knight, visibly restraining (or doing violence) for his lady is very attractive. It's also why chivalry doesn't work in the modern era, because if a man is incapable of violence, his 'restraint' is just pussy footing around.
100,000 years ago, humans lived a violent, tribal lifestyle as hunter gatherers. Civilization is about 3000 years old. And even then, humanity was violent and it was acceptable to kidnap ones wife from her family, or kill a competitor. In many Islamic/traditional countries it is still allowed. Take the case of the country, Georgia - until the early 1990's it was accepted practice that a man would kidnap a girl he wanted to be his wife. In many central Asian countries, this is still practiced.
Also, in many countries clans still fight blood feuds over women.
What you mention is the case only in a few, domesticated Western countries. This domestication is also the same thing killing them.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
No, in the setting her husband is the only alpha in her life. The one who deflowered he, the one who provides, and who keeps making her children to keep her a busy and respected mother. Of course there are always more attractive males, or the one with higher status, but both them and her know that hooking up will result in serious consequences.
Chivalry and violence are mutually contradicting terms, you're talking nonsense. Chivalry is a dumb misguided instinct to guard pussy, often at you own expense.
Chivalry never worked.
Of course. But violence was slowly bred out for hundreds of thousands of years, and tribes form alliances by exchanging women and keeping track of them because of monogamy.
About 12k to be precise, but it doesn't mean anything. Mate guarding, monogamy and marrying outside the tribe (exogamy) all predate it.
Wife kidnapping in warfare is different from marrying your daughter in an arranged marriage. You can try to kidnap your future bride, but you can also be killed for doing so. There is a reason why violent genes have been bred out for hundreds of thousands of years. And the reason is simple: peaceful solutions (or better said: one achieved through societal institutions) lead to more reproductive success.
That is today an arranged ritual, agreed to by both parties. There is also a reason why the countries where that ritual has persevered are shitholes.
No they don't.
Self-domestication is a species-level process that has been going on for a very long time. What is "killing" Western countries is giving women right to vote and to have a say in reproduction. Dumb animals that they are, they should've been kept in the kitchen and the bedroom.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
You clearly haven't read much have you? Go read some stoic philsophers or even some literature from the middle ages.
Sure he deflowered her, but that's not what initially drew the woman to him. In traditional societies, women were drawn to powerful/high status men. In those times, status/power was synonymous with violence - knights, warriors, explorers, etc. They may not have had premarital sex, but that did not mean they weren't attracted to violent men who could restrain their violence and make her feel safe because he has a capability for violence to protect her and her children but at the same not use it on her.
Go read about how Chivalry arose. The whole point of chivalry was to contradict violence and in Medieval philosophy was what was considered to separate men from beasts as beasts are incapable of self-restraint, men are.
If you cannot understand this simple concept, you have much to learn of the redpill.
It worked in violent times, with violent men. It doesn't work with the modern man.
LOLwut? You do know the founding story of Rome right? Rome is not that old of a city. It was founded by two brothers who settled amongst the seven hills (of what later became Rome) and realized they had no women. So they went to neighbors to ask for their women (as you suggest)/trade for them - but their neighbors refused so the early romans took them. It's called Rape of the Sabines. Look it up.
Also, you ignore thousands of years of recorded history where wars were fought over women.
You need to brush up on your history kid.
Reread my post again. Where did I say that women were kidnapped during warfare? I brought up 1990's Georgia as an example. There was no war at that time and Georgia didn't live in clans as the Chechens at the time either.
LOL. Maybe amongst cucks, definitely not in me. I'm pretty violent and like to beat people up frequently inside and outside the ring. I also like to slap my women around and they love it.
Nah. If there was no law, I'd have more reproductive success of killing you and taking your woman and killing every other guy on your block and taking their women too. And making a harem. And making every woman give birth to my child. That's how warlords to it. Don't mate guard, see what happens when I kill you and your children and take your woman for myself.
I'll name a few: Chechnya, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Chad, Mozambique, places in Syria, Iraq, India, etc, etc.
only way you'll keep women in the bedroom and kitchen is through threat of violence. Americucks are too weak and scared of their women to use violence on them. Eastern Europeans and other nationalities aren't.
GoRedBad 5y ago
Slapping around women or ring-fighting is not violence, because it is consensual. There is no violation
I think you lost this argument when you ended a sentence with "kid". A clear attempt to use language to place oneself in the position of authority when one's authority is lacking.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
LOL where in my initial post did I talk about slapping women around or consent?
You're a kid because you can't understand simple concepts and lack in reading comprehension.
You lost this argument when you stopped comprehending writing.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
This reply has no relevance to my original point. When women have no reproductive rights their assigned male is the only alpha available for her to worship. You are apparently too dumb to comprehend that.
The attraction is built by status which is maintained by social institutions. Initial attraction is irrelevant as she has no choice in the matter. Once she is regularly fucked and provided for, the attraction only builds up.
Interpersonal violence has a steep decline curve ever since our ancestors have left the trees. Intergroup violence is another matter that has no relevance on mating strategy, other than wife kidnapping and occasional rape, but these are aberrations with no significant influence.
Again, irrelevant. Their stone age attraction mechanisms for strong violent men were irrelevant because she didn't have a choice. You keep parroting the same retarded slogans like a liberal on a presidential campaign rally.
That's just nonsense. Medieval times were a subsistence-level Malthusian trap for 99% of population. Some rich hereditary aristocrats honoring some shitty codes and ending up in books and paintings written and drawn by some pampered dipshits are irrelevant.
There is literally zero evidence for that. Civilization was self-domesticated by selectively eliminating violent strains for the gene pool, there is numerous evidence for that. Chivalry affected irrelevant percentage of the population and is at best an ex post facto explanation. Personally I think it's great that all those chivalrous retards who fought for their maidens and county, be it at medieval duels or Verdun, are dead.
Fairy tales are not history. Abduction of Sabines perhaps happened, but it's not the primary means of expansion. You can only do it if you can overwhelm the other tribe in warfare, because vaginas are the tribe's most prized possession. It doesn't scale. Rome didn't expand by kidnapping fertile wives of its neighbors, it expanded by creating a culture which gave its warriors/men a stake in its future, by becoming Roman citizens. Also slavery but that's another thing. Women had no rights then, they were just baby factories for men used to seal alliances and so on, as I mentioned earlier. Sure it's fun to kidnap some good looking hoes across the mountain, but it's not worth risking your life over it. Other hoes were easily available, and a hole is a hole.
No they weren't. Your betafag fist fights over high school sweet hart who gave BJ to the QB in the bathroom during the break are not history. Wars get embellished by cultural overlay during oral and written transmission, but never ever were they fought over bitches.
Well they were kidnapped and raped during warfare, abundantly so. Most women were impregnated at ages 14-15 until very recently. They didn't get to "choose" they were slapped in the face and bent over. These modern ritual "kidnappings" are vestiges of the times long gone by, and in no way invalidate the point.
Smart men don't fight with fists and sticks, they carry knives and guns if alone, or have a family/tribe guarding their back and reciprocating acts of violence. Ritual displays of "strength" inside the arranged ritual in rings are for laughable. Regarding the original points - there is countless evidence of violent genes being bred out, the whole process is species-wide. We are weaker, have smaller bones and bigger cortices than our ancestors. The attraction to violence and strength for women is also being bred out of gene pool, as the women who don't carry them have much bigger reproductive success. The likes of you were once publicly hanged and ostracized to die alone at the periphery, don't worry the process takes a wee bit longer this time, but it's there.
All it takes is one bullet or a stab to kill you. And I'd have a support of many others like me, who'd stand by your pathetic violent ass? No one. You'd be skinned alive in public and fed to the dogs as a deterrent for your likes. And the women you impregnate and you children would killed as well. That's how it goes in nature. The collective is always stronger than an individual, and weapons of war has leveled the playing field. The strongest and most violent men of today are rotting in jails as they should be.
Perhaps in some boondoggle village with population in hundreds that doesn't have electricity or running water, but it doesn't affect 99% of population in any of those countries.
I'm from Eastern Europe and half the countries there are functional matriarchies. Women whore just as much as their American counterparts, they just hide it better. Every non-ugly women is traveling extensively and getting randomly dicked. What keeps them not whoring around is a strict upbringing, strong family bonds, good relationship with their father and expectations of their relatives to marry soon to a good guy and have babies. But that is dissolving quickly, because those restrains are all artificial. Yes thee threat of "violence" is paramount, but not physical violence by husband but rather death in terms of stoning or ostracizing, shame of being disowned by family or publicly denounced. Physical violence is not a solution because you are not always present. Men long ago traveled extensively, worked abroad, colonized other countries and making preparations for their families etc. and their women never cheated even if they could, because they know the severity of consequences.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Here's a question, do men who get laid a lot exhibit these traits as a byproduct of getting laid or do they get laid by exhibiting these traits?
I have become more inclined recently to believe that it is looks that are the deciding factor between men of approximately equal status.
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blr1998 5y ago
Solid words here. This sub needs more of this talk.
JuliusTestvola 5y ago
What do you mean by 'blow' her cover?
beachbloke 5y ago
Most women don't want their sexual encounters to be known. If a woman wants an alpha for sex only, she will not want it known she is messing around with him because it will impact her social standing in her social networks. Ultimately if she is known as a slut, she won't be able to lock down the best boyfriend she has access to.
tyronethejabrone 5y ago
A girl wants there to be no disruption in her social life or work life. Promiscuity causes disruption.
She also wants it to remain relatively unknown because it creates all the more excitement.
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turtlearther 5y ago
Imagine being this dedicated to getting validation from whores.
Managicall 5y ago
compensation and observation as you brutally screw her friendAdvanced TRP techniques