I won't link to the original post that way this won't get removed. You can look through the relationship advice subreddit and find it pretty quick anyways. Anyways, I wanted to cover this post because I've also made the mistake in thinking that an LTR virgin princess would simply stay faithful to me. No matter the circumstances, always remember AWALT and have a backup plan. Virgin princess, mother of your kids, 10 year relationship, it does not matter.
We've been together for 4 years. At the beginning, like all teenagers do, we also fooled around, she was genuinely turned on and wanted to do stuff but we never got to penetration. We were both virgin and to her, virginity was always the best thing she can give me, it's "the only thing she can give only to me in the whole life" and to be honest, that's why I[21m] didn't push for it at all and wanted the take her pace.
Virginity should not matter. Most times, the first time won't feel any different than the 100th time. While a virgin girl is going to pair bond better than a slut, don't let this blind you from being an assertive man. If you aren't, someone else will be. Virginity is just another tool some women use to put them higher on the pedestal they're already on.
Around 2-2.5 years ago, things started to cool down. She no longer wanted to do it(referring to touching and oral) as often and a year ago she started pushing away even though I would ask twice a month when I was sexually frustrated. I really loved her, and I still do, and I think she is smart, intelligent and beautiful and that's why that wasn't a deal breaker for me.
Judge her actions, not her words. If you have to ask to get physical, begin planning your exit strategy. Attraction is organic and cannot be negotiated.
Two weeks after our 4 years mark, she said she felt trapped and that she wanted to take a little break from our relationship. I was crushed because I didn't see this coming at all.
It is at this point that OP went full beta. She was done with him 2 years before she broke it to him, he just chose to rationalize her actions and behavior.
Her "trapped" definition was that she felt bad going to concerts and doing stuff without inviting me, and to be honest, I always encouraged her to go with her girlfriends and have fun, I have a feeling she trapped herself?
Sorry to break it to you, but it wasn't her girlfriends she was having fun with, my guy :(
I think she just wanted to take a break and couldn't come up with a better reason or the real reason was offending to me or she just lost attraction although she denied it. We talked it through and we decided that we will take a break and she will call me once the break is over. She was supposed to move in with me in may.
Take a break = monkey branch onto Chad. The most self degrading move you can do is agree to something like this.
It took a toll on me, I performed bad at my work and I was distant from my family, I was crushed and I hoped she would come back and that we would cry together, agree it was a mistake and move on.
Understandably so. It's ok to cry. It's ok to be crushed. However, it's not ok to be passive about it. Hit the weights, talk to a good male role model, read books, and occupy your mind. Don't distance yourself from those who can help you most.
Well, after around 3 weeks, she messaged me and said she wanted to talk. I was so excited and I invited her to my house. When she arrived, shortly after, she basically broke down crying, saying she met a guy[23m] 2 weeks ago and that after 3 days they slept together. She said she tried to connect with him but it wasn't nearly as fun as with me and that she wasn't sure why she wanted to take a break from me in the first place.
Chad did what OP couldn't do in 4 years, in 3 days. After the pump and dump, she came crawling back to OP. The monkey reached for the higher branch, just barely pinching it with her finger tips, but couldn't grab on securely.
Now, I consider myself 7-8/10, I am tall and work out semi-regularly. She assured me that it wasn't my looks. She said she wanted us to be together again and that she would do anything to earn back my trust and make me happy. The guy she slept with was 10/10 and a lot of muscle, although I didn't know him or anything about him.
This is the one instance where I'd believe what she said. YES, Chad was better looking, but that is often not enough of a reason alone for the monkey to swing branches. Most monkeys will reach for a higher branch only if they still have a good grasp on their previous branch. That way, if they miss, they don't completely fall off the tree.
This happened yesterday. I am broken. I couldn't come up with words and just said it's gonna be okay and later politely asked her to leave so I have time and space to think. I can't help it but feel like a backup plan, she sacrificed our 4 years together and basically made me a fool for waiting for sex and thinking that I am something special for her. It bothers me so much that she was ready to fuck some guy, less than a week after we broke up. Even if we get back together, am I supposed to have sex with her now or what...
AWALT, AWALT, AWALT. No contact and move on. OP has finally began to see reality. He messed up since the moment that he failed to have a backup plan in place. Other noteable fuck ups:
- Never agree to a "break" under these type of circumstances. This was the point she lost all attraction for OP.
- Never ask for physicality. Attraction is not negotiable.
- 80-90% of her communication is done by her actions. Don't listen to her words.
- No contact as soon as the relationship is unsalvageable.
- Kill all hopes/emotions you have of getting back. Hope makes you do irrational things.
- Beat the depression through self improvement and reach out to male role models.
OP posted the following update:
So, long story short, 3 days ago I "broke up" with her for good.
Now, you guys might not agree with the way I did it, but I did not want to have revenge sex with her, hurt her or hurt her ego. Even though I am sad and disappointed, at the same time I understand she wanted to see other options and I respect she didn't outright cheat on me. That being said, I am also not a backup plan and I deserve to be someones first plan, someone that will make love with me and not consider it a "godly gift to me"...
I didn't see her anymore and I finished it with a message, here's a translated version:
"Hey [name], first of all, I don't want to hold you in suspense, so yes, this is my final break-up message. I took some days to think about it and I realized that if we did continue where we left off that the other guy would be in my head non-stop and I would always be paranoid of you doing it again when you get bored of me. I understand we were (and still are) young when we started our relationship and that you wanted to explore other options and gain experience. Sadly, in that process you lost my trust and hurt me greatly. I respect you wanted to "take a break" instead of cheating on me but that still doesn't make it justifiable. I wanted to thank you for all those years and I wanted to apologize for any wrongs I did to you. I want you to know that I am not mad or sad and that my head is the right place. I hope that going forward you will be okay too and please don't punish yourself for what you did. Goodbye, op"
The message was supposed to be stronger and stuff, but I realized I am already getting over it and that I no longer see the point of putting more effort and thought into it. She replied with an equally long message saying she is sorry bla bla bla. So, thank you guys for opening my eyes, if it weren't for you, I am almost certain that I would accept her back. So yeah, until next time. Just like she didn't give him sex, he doesn't need to give her closure or owe her an explanation.
Never get too complacent and stay safe out there bois
Anunkash 5y ago
My gf in highschool and I took a week break once. After the week was done she came back knowing how to give really good head. I didn't ask any questions.
KeffirLime 5y ago
I still firmly believe the greatest indicator of your relationships status is by observing her level of sexual interest.
If it's high, she's keen.
If it's low and you have to beg, the writing is on the wall.
bsutansalt 5y ago
See also: Iron Rule of Tomassi #3: Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.
My corollary is just as you said: If they're interest in sex with you is low (evidenced by their lack of tearing your clothes off), then it's an indication of just how little they're really attracted to you. Why do guys have such a hard time understanding this very simple concept?
Furthermore, women will crawl over broken glass, stab their friends in the back, and lie to their bf/fiances/husband if they really want to have sex with you. If you're not getting that kind of sexual interest and commitment out of them, then it's time to NEXT. (or improve yourself in a big way so they become interested)
le_king_falcon 5y ago
At the end of the day all that matters at the very core of any relationship.
If she's attracted everything else can be dealt with, lose the attraction and doesn't matter about your game or any TRP ideals.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
That’s why you should always be able to get another partner easily. I’ve been in breakups with women where it was tough getting over her. But the issue was NEVER not being able to get physically satisfied after from other women as I always made sure to take care of yourself
The emotional healing takes time. But you should always be able to fuck another girl if you wanted
KronkIsLove 5y ago
This doesn't apply to long-term relationships per se.
In relationships that last longer than 10 years, there can also be different reasons.
> pregnancy (after that it can be awkward to start again. Some women have self worth and beauty issues or feel stressed/tired - same applies to men)
> boredome: Repeating the same sex over and over again (dude just repeats his "moves" - no experimentation etc.)
> hormone changes; Sport can help
> decreasing muscle fibers in underbelly region
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Other than that, be careful of course.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
No. This rule is absolute.
15ish years. Twice a day. 3 kids. And a hall pass. And I'm not even a Chad.
KronkIsLove 5y ago
Of course there can be health reasons. My parents are married for 40+ years. Stuff like that happens.
The rule is definitely not absolute if you get older.
If we want to try common ground: It is ALMOST absolute if you are young.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
I'm not blue pilled so I don't care about edge cases in a discussion involving rule of thumb.
Of course if a vaginal tear is present, then you're out of luck. But real talk, said "injury" is probably a cover for cheating.
KronkIsLove 5y ago
Apparently you are blue pilled, because a rule of thumb is never absolute, because of said edge cases. A rule of thumb is vague by definition. If you want to be red pilled: Pick one.
AlexDr0ps 5y ago
Absolutely spot on.
My girlfriend was a virgin when we met and I've turned her into a complete slut. It's been almost two years and she literally crawls on to me almost every night. I'm not worried in the slightest that she will cheat because:
I make pretty good money and take her to do exciting things
Once you position yourself so that her fucking anyone other than Ronaldo is a downgrade, you can stop even considering the possibility and the sex is literally endless
UnluckyPenguin 5y ago
Being confident is a good thing. However, the best mindset is that you're happy regardless of the outcome.
If she will cheat, you will be happy because you are thankful for her filtering herself out of your life. Although, I'm sure she's hasn't cheated on you yet (and high chance it stays that way in your very specific case - I'm not trying to make you paranoid) - but, the future is less clear. Anything can happen 10-20 years from now.
It's easy to be confident/calm/holding-frame when the expected happens. But when the unexpected happens, a person's ability to be confident/calm/holding-frame separates the men from the boys.
LethalShade 5y ago
How old is she and how old are you?
cobalt1728 5y ago
What do you do to make pretty good money?
BrownGummyBear 5y ago
Cool buddy, but remember there’s always someone with more money and better looking out there than you (don’t be a fool to think only “Ronaldo could compete with your SMV”). AWALT, you seem to view your gf as some sort of unicorn...
majani 5y ago
To be fair the attachment from breaking a woman's virginity is 10x the normal range. It's a cheat code of game. Couple that with awareness of female nature and you could have a potential unicorn on your hands.
AlexDr0ps 5y ago
She's not a unicorn and I'm not saying it will be like this forever. I'm pointing out the importance of finding a virgin and having your shit together.
Guys walking around screaming "AWALT" are likely incapable of making women obsessed with you. Women will cheat on you with Chad if youre a low value man, but you can certainly hedge your bets.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Yep. If you become chad enough women won’t cheat as easily unless they meet some kind of giga Chad.
Sounds stupid but there is social stigmas to branch swinging that a woman won’t break unless that new branch is worth the risk.
BrownGummyBear 5y ago
Key word: they won’t cheat AS EASILY
It’s smart to minimize risks (increasing one’s SMV, dating virgins, etc) but AWALT should always be kept in mind.
bitchpleasebp 5y ago
I recently ended a FWB thing with a petite girl with a fat ass who’s in a 4 year long relationship. I cut her loose cause she got annoying. Her bf makes about 80k a year as engineer and is a club promoter on the side (takes her to many new places and exiting shit), and he’s tatted white dude who’s a solid 9/10. She says he fucks her really well . She still wants my cock. essentially, never think that she wouldn’t cheat. That’s exactly how you end up as hurt as the OP of the above story. You should know better than that lol. Expect it, there’s better looking guys than you out there who are smoother and shit like that. Don’t disappoint me
[deleted] 5y ago
a little hard to believe but the general sentiment of your post is alright
bitchpleasebp 5y ago
Lol it’s crazy to me that my post seems unbelievable to some
[deleted] 5y ago
the engineer part time club promoter
[deleted] 5y ago
lol yeah that dude is full of shit
antiMensch195 5y ago
my question when i read such posts is always the same: who is the other guy? how did they met? did he just not give a fuck an escalated? how did he get her so fast to this point? was he lying? overly charming? just friendly?
lunaluis 5y ago
Any decently attractive girl has a line of guys waiting in her DM’s. This isn’t what’s threatening.
What gets the girl is the vibe and emotions shared in person. 90% of communication is literally just body language, tension, and emotions. This is why messages from random guys aren’t bad. But this is also why you should NOT get into a LDR, ever. It’s bad when she’s seeing someone in person.
I’ve been in situations where I’ve flirted with girls who’ve had LTR’s of 5+ years (even made out with one), and it’s really no different. Sometimes it’s actually easier.
1st, understand a girl gets bored too. You’ll come across as the mysterious guy that intrigues her. That’s not a kind of vibe she can get from her LTR.
2nd, women are primarily emotional. She will act on the emotions she experiences now over the logic of her LTR in her future. Teasing and joking really spikes a girls emotions as well as being confident and comfortable in silence with her. Tons of other things, but you get the just.
3rd, some girls will cheat physically pretty easily. However, most wont commit the act of dumping their LTR until they feel they can lock down the alpha that caught their attention. This is the longest part and usually a girl has probably already cheated on you a few times if it comes to this point.
“The monkey won’t let go of the current branch until it has a firm grasp on the higher branch.”
One of these steps alone usually won’t be enough. But all of them together, and you get the very definition of hypergamy.
LLForbie 5y ago
Fuck dude, you're brilliant.
magx01 5y ago
Not sure I believe it's real. I find this part a bit suspicious:
What, he asked her if the guy was muscular?
ucfgavin 5y ago
My guess is that she tried to explain herself and described the guy. Whether or not she said he was a 10 and a lot of muscle I don't know.
magx01 5y ago
Ya, could be. I have my suspicions but being wrong isn't new to me lol
LordMarkStark 5y ago
Can't believe in four years he didn't penetrate her once. He's a lousy person to do that to her, let alone her him. The frustration. I think they'll get together at least once to bang. They should fuck all night. Pity the guy is dense as, and lame to boot.
Honestly I would have forced it out of her. He was her bf so it would have been so easy.
Just stupid. By the time she realized she was being lame for denying his devotion to her was a major turnoff. Things have clicked for her but not him yet. What a tool
Accurate_Replacement 5y ago
Yea 4 years aint a jokedude wasted his prime hormone-filled years he literally could have gotten more progress by staying single and jerking off
lunaluis 5y ago
Honestly. Sometimes you have to know when it’s time to call it quits and rub one out instead.
Side note: Before breaking up with any girl, beat your meat until only dust comes out. That way you’ll be thinking clearly.
LordMarkStark 5y ago
Like lunaluis said just here, you got to smash it or leave it, or know when it's time. It surprises me he never pushed this chick. It would have excited her.
Failing that the relationship disintegrated on him. He'll rue it for the rest of his life. Me I'd be calling her up but really he's a cold fish to her now.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
It's "time" on the third date. At a minimum I need a goodnight kiss on the first date, heavy makeout on the second date, and penetration on the third date. It usually doesn't take until the third date if the chick is into you though.
LordMarkStark 5y ago
I mean know when its time to leave. Sex is one thing but it also happens outside the bedroom too - a relationship. It was a crap relationship I don't care how many times she jerked him off, it was lame as all hell. They should have been rutting like pigs. Yeah chicks come on to me a lot once we're into the swing of things; its pretty clear what each of us want to do early on, especially if you sit beside her at some point preferably right away and you hold her hand and shit. Of course they are interested a lot when I meet them and taking them out. Its a gentle funneling to greater excitement and none of it is gamey.
But don't forget we are talking about two young kids here with little experience.
I'm the sort like many men (normal men, not talking about this infinitesimally small niche thats TRP) just ordinary people of whom I consider myself (TRP is not the be all/end all, its virtually nothing in the scheme of things) I consider myself ordinary of course, and so like most men even if our woman is on her rags we know she can give us a blowjob or jerk us off while we grope the crap out of her or hell bang her anyway if she's up for it. As in normal people not confined by some ideology or weakness or being shy take it all the way. This guy was holding off so much its beyond belief.
.>>>> That was ok for a time but he never readdressed this properly - and that would have been to force himself onto her to force the issue, get pissed off at her, and then leave her.
Within a short while she would have come around.
But like I say those are just kids. When she woke up a few years later for whatever reason and maybe her religious conditioning broke down anyway she went for it with someone else. He just didn't wake up soon enough to understand you/she can't trump biology.
In life even if you have to wait a little (be more patient sometimes too, man) for a kiss from a girl but I don't envision why you would wait for a kiss, but if you have to wait for sex big deal. Like you say after the third is seriously pushing it unless she simply can't/bad timing, but those are girls who should be on the backburner anyway and she knows it, you know it.
A third 'date' might be lame, but if its just knowing a girl over 3 times and you don't bang her its nothing serious, you just need to be patient without having her front and center in your life - and you will probably score her at some point and it will be good. These days with how much dating goes on it may hard to stay interested in her and both people know this and so by 3 dates most people want to be into something. Life is too short, hell the first date is often the best or the second.
I don't think I could meet a girl twice in my entire life without having sex by the second or third time, usually the second. Though the best relationships often happen by the third. Its probably because the woman is putting in a lot more effort than me into those things and I eventually catch up on effort to nail her and proceed.
All it takes is for the guy to make a move. That relationship is going to be a major source of frustration to those two because he didn't push things, for the rest of their lives.
Guys though who get butthurt at sex that does not come quick need to realize its not a massive big deal if she is not front and center in your life. Those two kids were front and center to each other. Thats a big deal. And needed to be handled like I said. Not with a conversation, not with intent, but HIM actually trying to break down her resistance because she totally liked him and had some bullshit idea.....if it meant she got pissed off he dumps her until the correct conditions for a proper relationship come about. That or never. But she liked him so much early on he should have done this within the first 6 months.
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riggedved 5y ago
This guy's story is just like mine, without the taking break and cheating. We were together for 3 years...we did all things but she would never let me penetrate.
Although there were never signs of her cheating, she did take breaks but throughout those breaks should be constantly message me and be in my field of view, both online and offline.
Since our break up, I only think about whether she was fucking other dudes, while selling me her "I'm a virgin" crap. Its exhausting really. How do I move on from this?
Edit: "without the taking break and cheating"
lunaluis 5y ago
Mind-shift my dude. You’re the prize, not her. If you don’t believe that right now, you better start working on yourself until you do.
Read red pill books, hit the gym, diet, hang out with good male role models, set small incremental goals, crush them, and set them again.
Don’t try dating until you get that mind shift change, otherwise you’ll come across as needy and desperate. Hang in there my guy, and remember that indifference is more powerful than love or hate.
lnternetLiftingCoach 5y ago
The answer to your question is given in OP’s post.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Well, from an evolutionary perspective, men are deeply concerned about their women cheating because if she gets pregnant from another man you will waste your life propagating someone else's genes. Given that you are no longer together, you are no longer in danger of getting cucked, so it is quite irrational to worry that she might have cheated in the past.
Dtris 5y ago
I had a gf in high school I never fucked because she claimed to be a virgin and I didn’t believe her. The guy she dated before me I absolutely disliked even though we started off as friends. I wasn’t a virgin either but since I believed she was lying about it made me not want to fuck her. Weird head game shit but if a girl will lie about that what else are they lying about.
bubblebropdoom 5y ago
Glad more men are waking up
imtheoneimmortal 5y ago
Another lesson to learn is the abundance mentality from these girls
She was going to concerts having fun and flirting
What he was doing or what we are doing?
lunaluis 5y ago
Exactly, which leads back to my main point of the post and his biggest fuckup of all: always have an exit strategy.
imtheoneimmortal 5y ago
In life always have an exit strategy*
Useeikill 5y ago
OP by exit strategy are you refering to the TRP technique of a guy having "multiple spinning plates"?
lunaluis 5y ago
Yes, or at least a few ready to go. Most of all, not letting yourself go. In today’s society, it’s not hard to compete with other males. You just have to not be fat and awkward.
Have female friends. Hang out with them from time to time (in group settings if you don’t wanna seem like a scumbag). Flirt with them covertly, in their language.
I don’t condone cheating in an LTR, but you shouldn’t stop doing the things that attracted your girl to you. This means confidence, playfulness, and most importantly, a mission greater than yourself.
throwinghthisoneaway 5y ago
The real question here is how the fuck is this dude from the story able to get over this so quickly
Sake99 5y ago
Because there is no other choice
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
Because he’s not received the sheer amount of blue pill conditioning that many other guys have, though he’s just not taken the red pill yet either
magx01 5y ago
Because it's not real. These never are.
hearse223 5y ago
Just fan fiction for red pillers to deconstruct and use as evidence to support their world view?
magx01 5y ago
Perhaps but I think these are usually a way for trp and/or mgtow guys to plant some seeds out in the wild.
Accurate_Replacement 5y ago
Yea he seems very calm having wasted 4of his prime years
BrownGummyBear 5y ago
A man’s physical peak doesn’t comes until his 30’s and financial peak usually comes during 40’s for most guys so i don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Accurate_Replacement 5y ago
You could have said that without swearing
Also by prime years i implied when your testosterone and growth hormone is at its highest in your life (naturally) and the best time to workout is from your mid teens to early twenties so the gains you get u can easily leep them with regular excersice(?)
Yes men do countinue growing out their body until 25 but the t levels are decreasing so working out will be more difficult than earlier unless u take supplements
lunaluis 5y ago
Homeboy saw it coming 2 years ago, he just rationalized it away. He knew it was over a long time ago, just needed the confirmation.
Glad he took it ok, I wouldn’t have if she wasted another 2 years of my life.
KronkIsLove 5y ago
I think he did it, because he had no other viable pairing option so he waited for an option in this relationship. He rationalized that but failed to improve his attractiveness over time for other girls is my guess.
Accurate_Replacement 5y ago
yea imagine working out for 4 years in your prime testosterone years omg dude could have gotten gains
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
I don't see what the big deal is...she only lost her virginity to Chad once....
She should have lost the "virginity of her ass" on the spot, and then he should have kicked her out without another word.
^ This part was pretty faggoty. Too many words. "Look at me! How noble I am! Look at meeeeee!" What a goddamn simp.
Iron Rule of Tomassi #3
Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.
That was four prime time years of no poon-getting by that guy because he was in "love". Ugh. What a cunt.
GuruDev1000 5y ago
I'd like to know, what is the reasoning behind her telling him the truth about the chad though. Why didn't she just hide it from him and have him take her back. The hymen wouldn't be the reason—she could give any other reason for it being broken.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
As usual, greatness from this pen...
Goddamnhologram 5y ago
Wait, so OP never fucked her?
riggedved 5y ago
No need to get get harsh man.
We've all been there. I was there too. But we all learn.
lunaluis 5y ago
It’s harsh but it’s the truth. I was lucky enough to have a father tell me shit just as harshly, lord knows how I’d be if he didn’t.
In this day and age, the way you portray a message is just as important as the message itself. No sugarcoating, no beating around the bush, just cold hard truth.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Religious freaks who wait for sex think they are being traditional, but the funniest part is that they are not traditional at all. The human body is well past ready to go by 18 for both males and females. No civilization in history has purposely made people wait for sex for years and years after puberty, because any retard can see that that would never work. The only reason to wait for marriage was economic - if you were poor and couldn't afford to support a wife, or if your father had to save up for a dowry.
If you want to be traditional then get married at 18 and start pumping out kids - that's traditional. Do religious people actually think it's healthy or part of God's plan to be celibate for 3, 5, or 10 years during the prime of your life?
AliBarakat 5y ago
Actually, people would get engaged and married on the same day sometimes. So in the past, they didn't "wait" with a partner.
Axiom502 5y ago
Great post. I drive myself crazy trying to explain this to people. Women need to be getting married much younger than they are. It isn't healthy. Waiting until 30 is just insane. And society forces this upon us!
CasaDeFranco 5y ago
A woman with an n count of over 3 is damaged goods to be frank, they can't pair bond.
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Religion was simply a rule book to ensure strong stable families emerged that had many children.
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A society of families is far easier to control also.
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They want people to marry young, and punch out children raised in the faith. They have 5 + children, the rest of society has 1. Eventually they inheriet the society.
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AllahHatesFags 5y ago
Exactly, the no sex outside of marriage thing was simple to follow when your parents arranged a marriage for you at 13. Choosing to be a virgin into your 20's is completely insane.
sezamus 5y ago
Religious freaks are fucktards. What could one expect?
KeffirLime 5y ago
Four years later, she get's railed by Chad....and he's still walks away a fucking virgin!
Your devotion is worthless, let it by known.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Yeah, I think he should have taken her back and made her do it all with him. Then, dumped her ass. Or, just kept her as a plate, till she ran off with the next tatted biker.
wanker7171 5y ago
But but he was SO mature /s
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
She was probably DTF for the whole time
Daniel0739 5y ago
She probably was fucking Chad before that, and this time it was a shit test to see if we BF would stay her betabuxx even tho she cucked him.
Gaboyski_ 5y ago
I've been thinking if she was actually riding the cock carousel the entire four years. It seems like this whole I'm a virgin/we should wait/I'm a Christian thing is a shit test intended specifically for men raised in a religious, conservative background.
Daniel0739 5y ago
You hit the nail on the coffin fren.
[deleted] 5y ago
This is a good point, I can see this being the case
KeffirLime 5y ago
"But she said she wanted to wait".
She probably said the same thing to Chad and he responded by putting his shlong in her mouth.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
"Wait until your pussy gets really moist? Sure!" then grab her crotch.
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donkeydodo 5y ago
I love me a circlejerk of endorsed contributors lol
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Join us.
throwaway-aa2 5y ago
exactly. Her "wanting to wait" could also be translated as "I want to wait NOW, but you can convince me to do it now, if you are confident, and persuade me to".
I mean let's even think about it this way. Think about the No Fap movement. It's a bunch of guys who try NOT to masturbate. GUESS WHAT? It's normal to relapse after a while, depending on the spot your in, and the urges. It's normal for the girl to put up defenses, and "I want to wait" is just another one of those defenses... but you can spark something in her, where she can choose (her OWN choice) to stop fighting the urges she almost definitely has... and you can make her GLAD for dropping her defenses.
neverquitman 5y ago
But how?
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
You’re overthinking it
max_peenor 5y ago
That's because you aren't THAT guy. Never underestimate the inability of so many men to actually close the deal. I mean, after railing some young bird she admits the guy that was hanging out with us earlier was her fiancé, that they don't have sex (but I wasn't her first) and it was because he would beg for it and she thought it was gross. He was good looking enough to be seen with in public, but not aggressive enough to turn her on in private.
I'd have to pull a number out of my ass for effect, I'd say this story gets retold a 100,000 times every weekend. Just change the actors.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Same daemon same dance different clothes.
There was a day I’ve read about my life in yet another book. Being an alcoholic and a child of alcoholic made me a true NPC. I could take a book about addiction and there was my life, each important point matched.
I thought, that I don’t want to read about my life 1:1 in any more self help books.
I think that’s because the conditioning is so omnipresent. Just look https://youtu.be/jm_KyVvoGmA
Sirkisskindofman 5y ago
Uncle Vasiliy, y u heff to be medd. Is only geim. Op lern lessin. Op open eiys. Mei b he grow, mei b he repit bizniss lesin. Either way, is not our problim. May our comrade-in-arms grow in the meenthyme
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
This comment gave me eye cancer
Sirkisskindofman 5y ago
Good. We don't need fun powders ruining our streets Mr. Your_Coke_Dealer. Hopefully you losing your eyes teaches you a lesson about the dangers of drugs and drug related sex
aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
100% agree. You wait 4 years for something, and once you have it you throw it away just to be the better man, whatever that means. Fuck that. Take her back, hate fuck her the same day, fuck her in the ass, do all the porno shit you jerked of at for 4 years, and then dump her.
Daniel0739 5y ago
And risk getting Chad’s STD! Your IQ is equivalent to 100% if Shaggy’s power! You absolute genius!
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aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
She sucked him off multiple times, so she was down to fuck. The idiot simply didn't know how to lead into it.
GiraffeOnWheels 5y ago
Duh, he's a virgin? Dude couldn't hate fuck if he wanted to.
aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
Yeah, I have to agree with this.
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aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
You forgot the part were she was highly emotional and begging him to forgive her to take him back. The past doesn't matter for women, only the present emotions.
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neverquitman 5y ago
Vasya, I mean what could he have done, he respected her because she was young and he didn't want to pressurize her as it would have seemed needy so he let it be. Ofcourse being sexless in a relationship is sad. But some girls do say not now, etc later, and they stall him.
We know the strategy but the guy was like a sniper, waiting for his time. The girl of course didn't want to sleep with him, like she wasn't into him sexually, but was practicing on a dummy, doing all the BF/GF moves without sex to perfect her skill.
Now the question is, what made her have sex with him ?
-Looks
-Sexual energy
-His game
-Confidence
-Or was she just horny and wanted it right on the spot ?
-We don't know the struggles chad went/or maybe his life was pretty smooth from the get go.
-We also don't know if he slept with her with or without the green light from her part.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Four years. Four.Fucking.Years. Of not fucking. /facepalm
neverquitman 5y ago
Maybe he used porn as a sub in the meantime/ yeah its hard not finding opportunities to not fuck, i mean its sexual energy it just flows and body language shows it, the body will scream for sex, it will show its intentions and it will be unconscious, more than 6 months is way too much for a first time gf.
Somethings not right, thats my point. Or she used him for cuddles only. Or they are below 18, or they are freshly 18 right now.
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neverquitman 5y ago
I’m not sure what you are about but its not about that, what I meant was, did he do the pursuing and pushed through her defences or not?
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neverquitman 5y ago
Put the guy in the same position, virgin and seeing a hot chick with big boobs and he’s going for it. No he won’t wait as well. If anything its AHALT.
WayTooCyber 5y ago
Lmao Chad basically fucked her, ignored or even laughed at her comfort test like an absolute savage telling her overtly/covertly to fuck off.
She's been with OP for 4 years so she probably thought her weak I'm a virgin girl game could work the same way for AF Chad. She probably thought her pussy had to be golden for beta blanket to scarifice 4 years of his life without even fucking her, failing to realize after Chad fucks her, her pussy value to him deflates.
Then OP had the fucking audacity to leave a essay to finish her drama filled chapter for her. That's exactly what she wanted so she still won.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Yeah, pretty certain she had Chad lined up and thought that they would ride off into the sunset together.
He just wanted to get his dick wet.
Then after she got pumped and dumped she tried to back track and get Mr. Reliable back in the fray.
Kudo's to him being a virgin and having invested 4 years to turn his back on it.
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Yea. The dude actually handled it pretty well for your average uninformed chump
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Timeline checks out on this. Chad began talking to her pre-break when she wanted distance and felt trapped (that’s what triggered those feelings). Then after banging he moved on
Absolutely savage
imtheoneimmortal 5y ago
She will be alpha widow imho
the99percent1 5y ago
Dont be too harsh. Chad had 2 years to learn his craft.
This is normal. He will learn from this experience. At least he had dignity to break it for good. Most beta cucks will take her back after that.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Guy went straight to looks and was red pilled that even his tall/not fat body wasn’t enough.
anothdae 5y ago
Yeah... he gave her an out. It's kinda bullshit... but also, fuck her. If she wants to think it was okay, she was only hurting herself.
And that is a great metaphor for OP. He thinks that by being nice to her he is helping her. He isn't. She is worse off than him. She is down her virginity and her 4 youngest years. He is wiser for it, and avoided marrying a lying whore that didn't respect him.
One day he will realize that. One day she will.
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pm_me_tangibles 5y ago
I kinda liked OP’s reply. If a girl shows me disrespect, I wish her the very best and i mean it. It’s about having the least negative impact on me. By forgiving - I forget in the most rapid way.
jonpe87 5y ago
That is a good trap, forgiveness is a unconscious process
Remenber that fat girl that was hitting you when you are a kid, and you felt repulsed? No? That is forgiveness. What you are doing is mental masturbation.
If a girl shows me disrepect of that kind I wish her the worst in life, then I let it go.
the99percent1 5y ago
Heck. I dont wish her anything and just let go. Let her waste her time and energy figuring out why she was dumped.
420KUSHBUSH 5y ago
Happiness over resentment is far more important and your way of dealing with it is what lets you remain happier
pm_me_tangibles 5y ago
Exactly. I terminate my emotional connection the moment I know I no longer wish to invest.
Happiness for them without me is the core of that termination. Everyone wins - or at least I win and they have the opportunity to find a win for them self, away from me.
420KUSHBUSH 5y ago
You're far more along in your path to happiness than vast majority of people here/overall are, glad to hear you're doing well and wish the best for others even if they dont mean to you what they did prior
pm_me_tangibles 5y ago
It took long enough to get here. But yes - I'm far more capable of being happy now. And far, far more productive. Which is a satisfaction beyond anything a woman can bring.
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
Sounds like you're just telling yourself that. I don't wish women good luck if they've wronged me because that would be a lie. I don't want them to succeed. At best I am neutral.
1v1crown 5y ago
There we go! I agree. Fuck her and her future.
pm_me_tangibles 5y ago
Eh. As long as I’m happy - why do I even give a fuck? They can go knock themselves out with whatever they want. Good for them ????
The alternative - anger or resentment - betrays some feeling left over. As far as I am concerned - they no longer exist. Why should I begrudge them happiness?
JorgitoEstrella 5y ago
That’s a soyboy response, practically you are asking to be cheated on.
pm_me_tangibles 5y ago
Any resentment or hatred or contempt or any other negative emotion from you is still a bond that binds you to her, shows that you still care - and it costs you energy.
Once you've decided to stop investing attention in her - she is irrelevant to you forevermore. What more can she do to harm you? She wronged you, sure. But that will never be fixed because it's in the past meaning that any apology is completely worthless and irrelevant. It's a sunk cost. So smile and move on.
Imagine you and her at the end of your lives, having not seen each other for 50+ years. Do you really wish her to have had a miserable, unfulfilling life? Or do you hope that she found a way to sort her shit out enough to find a guy she wouldn't want to cheat on and that she had a happy life? Because the more happy people in society - the better everyone feels and performs.
Or does your hate for her run literally eternally deep? If so - the core issue lies with you - you prove the detractors of TRP correct when they say that TRP is just justification for your bitterness.
Personally, I don't care enough to hate. I also don't care enough to help in most cases (since most people aren't even willing to open up to the possibility that they are responsible for the shit that happens to them). There's not enough time even if people wanted to listen! Usually I just wish them the best, mean it sincerely and wave them goodbye as they venture into their eternity. This is the only way you can truly disengage from someone you once cared for - even if it was only enough care to fuck them like an object.
Hatred is a choice. It has a cost re effort and damaged mindset. This is a big issue because mindset determines literally everything: productivity, happiness, motivation, experience - everything. Why hate such a lowly creature, whose only current redeeming value is depreciating between her legs? Bless her; she has so little left with which to rent attention.
In life always ask yourself - what comes after the hate? What comes after the anger? Put your mind there. That's the place of least cost and maximum reward for anyone. Why would you do anything else? Enjoy your life.
Give up on the bitterness.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Because it's pathetic. It's like the people who go to sentencing for their loved one's murderer and say that they forgive the perp. Ugh.
pm_me_tangibles 5y ago
Better that than spend the rest of your days bitter, miserable and angry.
It's sad you see forgiveness as anything other than the least toxic path for Self. It has nothing to do with the Other, the cause of the harm or wrong.
pamar456 5y ago
Not at all to the same degree. Resentment sucks and turns you into a whining faggot. Move on and be happy
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Resentment =! wishing someone who screwed you good luck. Stop being faggots.
riggedved 5y ago
Oh boy. This comment is gold. Thank you @anothdae
That was enlightening.
Sake99 5y ago
What do you think , he would've done?
pectoid36 5y ago
There is a reason red pill preaches 'HARD..NEXT'. It means to tell her to fuck off and continue your life with zero emotion portrayed.
You dont sit down and write a book about how you felt etc about what happened even if its a goodbye messege.
You dont rationally communicate with a woman, you dont sit her down and analyse what transcribed and how you feel.
Women dont care about your feelings they only care about their own feelings'tingles'.
Did chad give a fuck when he told her to fuck off after pounding that 4 year old relationship warmed up virgin pussy? No. And thas why he got the pussy and beta bill is waiting for four years. While beta bill writes his parting letter, Chad is lining up yet another virgin to dick down.
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Well, writing out your thoughts is kind of a natural part of the grieving process. Closure, catharsis, all that.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Yeah, but, spilling your guts to a whore that fucked you over??
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Don't have to send it though
bsutansalt 5y ago
Original thread in question: https://archive.fo/8xbTX. At least the advice he got wasn't all bad. Most of them told her to NEXT her.
His update thread: https://archive.fo/J40iV
His goodbye/breakup letter was weak as hell. Given the content it should surprise exactly no one that she traded up for some Chad.
As I stated in another thread about this, his letter was overly beta and likely just reinforced her justification for stepping out on him. Her and her friends are going to see it and cringe at best and laugh at him at worst.
Best solution would be a random next that denies her closure.
The only reason to send a letter like he did is either out of a mistaken Disneyesque view of the world, or to get validation from other betas about being "mature" or "taking the high road". Fuck that! We all know how that doesn't play and in reality betrays the beta blue pill underpinnings of his take on relationships.
Guys like him who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. Mark my words if he doesn't change his ways soon his next gf will wind up going something similar to him. Their nature, his fault for not recognizing it.
As for the whole making him wait for it (for 4 years!), it's never worth it:
https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/comment-page-2/
Iron Rule of Tomassi #3
OneRedSock 5y ago
Fucking hilarious. So respectable that she pushed pause on their relationship to get a free pass at some strange. It's almost hard to remember how delusional the blue pill makes you.
I remember, even when I was drowning in the blue, that when my first ex asked to "take a break" that it was really "break up". Further, that it was just an excuse to get some strange. And you bet your ass within one week I got my strange. I still laugh about when she asked me "do you want to get back together", I said "fuck no -- I'm the happiest I have been in years!"
BlackPyro 5y ago
I remember reading this sometime ago, and I felt a tinge of anger as i was in a situation similar sometime ago. Sucks for the guy as he spent four years with no sex, but that goes to show that you should always be screening your chicks. From anything from a one-night stand to marriage, you should be screening your girls sexually, financially, emotionally, intellectually, etc. I mean, girls give off shit tests to guys to screen who's alpha and who's beta, why would you not give yours out in kind.
Virginity is hella overrated, and any girl who uses that as bartering chip, or god forbid, weaponize it should be avoided. From my experience, girls who haven't lost their virginity going into their 20's are guaranteed basket cases with a boatload of trauma that you should not try to relieve. I don't know about you guys, but I'm a low patience kind of guy when it comes to game. The longest I'm waiting unless the girl is really screened by me is 1-2 weeks, and even then I court other girls in the meantime. The guy in this case learned a hard lesson, but he went about leaving her pretty well. Yeah, it probably would have been more cathartic to tell her she was a bitch, but he still regained his power in this situation by bailing out. Lesser men would have taken her back and settle for sloppy seconds. Hopefully he learned something from this, as we all should.
AllahHatesFags 5y ago
The Red Pill could have saved this poor guy a lot of heartache and wasted time. We should be handing out copies of The Rational Male to boys in Middle School with the sex ed curriculum.
Cfwydirk 5y ago
The relationship was over 2 or 2 1/2 years ago. The drama is what you put yourself through. Better to learn now that after marriage and possible children. She did you a favor. Next
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Ananonguy88 5y ago
The final message from this guy was pretty decent though, guy is not a raging beta. He lived a disney illusion like all of young bluepilled folks did. One pill swallowed for him, probably a little more to go. Girls have alpha widowhood when they get disillusioned about their disney prince. Men get red pill rage and red pill malaise when their disney princess fails. It would be better for both parties to get a grip of reality, and let go of childish illusions. Some eventually do, a lot never come to this point though.
Sake99 5y ago
Do you think it was good for him to polity detach himself for her or he would've gone for revenge sex and broke up with her after wards?
The-Peter-Principle 5y ago
Neither is optimal. He should have just said “it’s over” and walked away. No explanation, no excuses, no mind games or revenge sex. That’s all wasted time and effort better put to use finding a better woman.
aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
Absolutely should have fucked her before dumping her. The bloke waited for 4 years for nothing. It will eat him up for the rest of his life.
lunaluis 5y ago
No contact as soon as he found out she fucked Chad. Blocked on everything. Act like she died.
He shouldn’t have given her closure, just like she didn’t give him sex.
Revenge sex is another way to disrespect yourself because you’d be getting Chad’s sloppy seconds and you’re letting her walk over you.
The mind-shift needs to change from her being the prize, to him being the prize.
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aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
What? Why? Also, unless you only fuck virgins, you will always be several Chad's sloppy seconds.
Morality is good, but doesn't get your dick wet.
lunaluis 5y ago
Because she disrespected him so badly she wasted an extra 2 years of his life. Any girl that fucks you over that badly does not deserve a single second more of your time.
If you have nothing better to do than have revenge sex with your ex, you need to set a better mission for your life.
I’d rather take the 5 min to rub one out and do more important things with my day. If you don’t respect yourself, neither will she.
bjcm5891 5y ago
I'm of the moderation view when it comes to jerking off, but I reckon there are two scenarios where you should definitely rub one out:
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lunaluis 5y ago
Agreed. I’d rub it out until dust comes out for good measure.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
can someone send the link? I can't find it
wanker7171 5y ago
I strongly disagree here. I've slept with 6 virgins now and what I've learned is that they're extremely fucking tight. Now it's up for debate if that's because they're nervous or whatever, but every time no matter how turned on the girl was or how much foreplay there was, it was very tight.
Hell it's at the point that I know the best way to fuck them, you have to take it slow. Fuck her like you normally would but only penetrating with the tip and as she relaxes slowly move further in. The last virgin I fucked in my apartment said that she was expecting it to hurt but if anything it just felt like a bit of pressure.
pamar456 5y ago
Saw this happen once to a friend of a friend. The guy had married his virgin gf in order to get her a marriage visa. They were high school sweethearts. After marriage no sex. The guy was good looking too, blonde body builder who was passionate about his sport. The girl went ahead and cheated on him with this ghetto ass chubby, but tall, tattooed Puerto Rican guy. She tried to justify the descion but that guy was fucking nasty looking. Guy let it destroy him and works as a gym instructor. She became a lawyer and married another lawyer.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
If a girl isn’t enthusiastically putting out then realize she would do it for a different man. Always be working on yourself so that if a girl leaves then you have options.
As for this guy, probably a poor sap raised to be nice. He likely had plenty of chances to bang the girl but didn’t. As for the girl - if Chad and calling again she would drop plan b in a heartbeat.
OP should cut off contact with the whore, be grateful that she even told him about the Chad sex, and try to get as muscular as chad. Leave the girl broken with no virginity and no boyfriend
Helpcalculus 5y ago
Congratulations and welcome op.
mette13 5y ago
Waiting for marriage = Orbiter
If she ain't fucking you, you're just an orbiter.
platoonpluto 5y ago
I read this the other day and was belly laughing, was sure it was a troll.
TruthSeekingPerson 5y ago
She was banging that other guy before she took a break. Then the other dude bailed on her when she became single and she had to crawl back to her boyfriend.
riggedved 5y ago
I've always been doing these things. Always been into sports. Been running marathons since years. Started gym an year back. Used to go 3 days a week doing Stronglifts program. After 3 months of that, now visit the gym 1-2 times a week. Only because my main workout is Ashtanga Yoga which I have been practicing since 2 years, so I kind of have to balance them both. Been a Hatha Yoga practitioner for 6 years prior to that.
Since my break up, which happened about an year ago, I have increased my SMV by about 2 points. From being slim and athletic I am now "well built." I'm 32 and I make good money, travel a lot (been to over 30 countries). I travel once a month minimum, for both work and pleasure. I've started making savings and investments, and have a decent amount of cash. I have 0 dues on my credit card. No personal loans. Just one mortgage which my family has, not me. I changed my dressing sense too, and grew an amazing beard. I always get look backs from women in public.
Since my breakup Ive realised how true TRP is. I've been with about 5 girls since. 3 of them were ONS and two are plates. I keep testing TRP on these girls and it almost always works. I only text for logistics, never speak much, never call, and yet these plates just want me to come down and fuck them good. The more I flak the more they want me.
The fucked up thing is, none of these girls are as hot as my ex, both in beauty and physique. So, I kinda hate myself when I think "I should have just fucked her" because she would have been such a nice fuck. We really have amazing passionate love making sessions, just...without penetration. But I waited like a jackass for sex for 3 fucking years...
Now, looking back, so much makes sense now. But its very conflicting. My ex, easily an 8, while she never fucked me and always told me that she was a virgin, she was still committed to me and emotionally invested in me. She told me "I love you" first. Shes given me expensive gifts as a sign of investment. Yet I somehow don't believe that she's a virgin. On one hand she was invested in me and committed to me, on the other she never had sex with me. Thats whats eating me up, what were her true colours? And she would always say "oh you and me will have amazing sex when we get married". She would send me nudes and dress up in sexy attire too. So damn conflicting. The mental conflict.
When I think she's not a virgin, I think, "I'm thinking like a beta." But this battle of figuring out who she really was is still not resolved in my head. This is where I need some help.
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jonpe87 5y ago
It doenst matter
Find a girl hot than her and you will see how it doesnt matter
lunaluis 5y ago
First off, kudos to you my dude for coming a long way. You’ve made good progress but still have a long way to go. TRP really applies to all women. Read an earlier comment I replied to about why women will cheat in LTR’s and you’ll see that no dude is safe out.
Second thing, I almost guarantee that you’d not feel any different if you’d have fucked your ex. You have this idea that she’s special because you haven’t found better yet.
“She’s not your girl, it’s just your turn.” Her investment was how she felt about you at the time, and girls emotions can change in a second. If she wasn’t fucking you, her emotions weren’t invested enough.
Keep improving, lift more, eat more food, get bigger, sleep a lot, and put yourself out there more. The more you do, the greater the chances of finding better.
If your plates don’t exceed the expectations of your ex, drop them. Improving yourself means you should also improve the quality of women you get with. Don’t settle until you find a girl you feel is way better than your ex. Don’t compare other women to her.
If you’re not over her, go monk mode until you are. Make it a goal to fuck women way hotter than her. Once you do that, then try to reach out and fuck her. You’ll see that you won’t feel any better. In fact, you’ll feel worse.
I’ve been in your spot with a virgin LTR. I fucked her after she dumped me for a new guy. After she cheated on her bf with me, I felt like shit. I wasn’t her first option, I was merely her option in the moment.
As soon as I busted that nut, I was disgusted with myself, like a teenage kid busting a nut to midget porn. Haven’t talked to her since(1.5 years ago). She’s still in a LDR with that bf.
riggedved 5y ago
"If your plates don’t exceed the expectations of your ex, drop them." I get your point. But I need sex. Dropping plates would be dropping sex. And this plate in particular has a great libido and is always up for it. Also, I think it's very difficult to match, let alone beat the ex. She was a stunner. My parents, they knew her and they know my situation, they say "We know it's difficult to match her looks, but looks only stay for a couple of years." They're right...but....still..
Another plate of mine, is maybe a 6 in looks. She's not that beautiful but has a slim and toned body. Plus, she's not feminist and is very traditionalist. She's not active on social media. She ticks all boxes, she's a wonderful girl. Submissive, and she chases me, and obeys me like a sweet puppy. I just don't find her attractive enough. That is another conflict in me. She actually seems perfect to me, minus the looks.
Your advise is very helpful. Should I just say goodbye to women and go full monk mode? What do I do about my sexual needs. I'm 32, and my libido will definitely decrease with age.
msammy_is_back 5y ago
I'm 47. Recently I ran into a girl who at best was 6.5 in her 20s. She was awkward and kind of gangly.
Now she's a smokeshow. I was like holy mother of God how the fuck did you get so hot? I just flat out said it not giving a fuck. She's known me since high school and I was way out of her league and was a total shit to her. She was all giggles - loved the attention and asked to be my FB friend. (I'm thinking I'm going to hit it, but I digress)
The point is how they age is VERY important. This woman got a boob job, hit the gym and colored her hair differently and now at 46 she looks like a Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader. I'm not kidding I could fuck this woman until my dick fell off. I would not stop being after her. Sometimes those kinds of girls can be diamonds in the rough. You just got to polish them up a little. What you can't teach is sanity and kindness.
I'm not saying put a ring on it, but as you get older you appreciate things differently than when you are 30.
My buddy found this girl on Tinder - blonde, a little big in the dumpster, kind of flat chested - but the blow job was super on point and she can do this twerk thing on his dick reverse cowboy that made him cum in two seconds. Better than that though is SHE LISTENS. In no time at all, she was going to his apartment, cleaning, picking up his underwear and doing his laundry, cooking his meals and making his lunch. That's dedication. So things were moving along and he tells her "Hey look I'm into weight training and the gym, any girl that is with me needs to be into that too." After 3 days of her crying and him sticking to his guns, she bought in full to the gym thing. Started dieting - even got a personal trainer with her own money. Then 3 months later got a boob job. 6 months later - Now she's a 9 - very pretty and dotes on him.
My buddy has himself a super nice girl now. He has total hand - rules the house - she listens - he's very happy with the sex - she's very happy too. I think he's going to marry her. She's a smart girl too. She'll end up never really wanting for much. He makes a shitload of money and has family money too.
Moral of the story. If you are alpha enough and smart enough - you can pick these diamonds out of the rough and shape them into something that will make you both extremely happy. Its takes money, knowledge and leadership.
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lunaluis 5y ago
Your sexual needs don’t matter if you keep comparing the sex you’re having to the sex you could’ve had with your oneitis. Drop the girls, you’re never going to be satisfied with them. Fuck em. Women come and go. Your happiness and freedom matters more.
Wack it off (no porn) if you need to. But withdraw and work on yourself with 200% effort. Women will distract you from doing this. You can get them back easily anyways.
Why should you deserve a woman as good or better than your ex if you’re not close to being the ideal man you want to be?
Once you start to form your best self, you won’t think twice about your ex, because you’ll be getting women twice as better.
Stop comparing women to your ex. Stop putting her on a pedestal because she was hot and a virgin. She’s not a fairy princess or an object, she’s a human. The quicker you change this, the closer you’ll be to releasing yourself from the grips of oneitis. You can do it.
magx01 5y ago
Very simple: Keeping you on the hook. She saw something in you (money, security, etc) and she knows the main bait for men is sex so she played the long game. Women are Machiavellian as FUCK.
Guaranteed she would have fucked you within a week if you had broken up with her while she was still invested. She would have hamstered it "I just realized blah blah blah" but really it would have been her only option at that point.
riggedved 5y ago
This is the stuff that makes me angry. More so, it makes me feel stupid that I was played by a hot bitch for 3 friggin years. All throughout I was completely loyal, and between the ages of 26 - 29, my sexual peak, I wasn't fucking. That is the hardest pill to swallow.
Also, when we started dating, after about a month I saw the red flags and I broke up with her. She asked to meet me one last time, seduced the fuck out of me, and I was on the hook again. Silly me.
lunaluis 5y ago
Stop reflecting on the past. Learn from it. Your sexual peak isn’t 26-29, your sexual peak is the effort you put in now. Men age like fine wine, but only with discipline and effort.
I’ve seen guys more attractive in their 40s than dudes in their 20s.
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jonpe87 5y ago
I need to save this post for when the blue start growing inside me
Fuck those sluts, I will fuck as many as I can and give nothing
thank you for this post
lnternetLiftingCoach 5y ago
This one hit the nail on the head and summarised the whole incident. The first sentence is beyond brutal.
I have checked this sub three or four times since the original post was made expecting an analysis. Kudos to OP for a well-written and informative one. I hope more men will wake up. Judging by the comments in the original thread, I hardly doubt many will, and that most men will continue regarding women as saints and princesses instead of loving themselves (i.e. respecting themselves).
What I find laughable is those who criticise TRP in the comment section whilst completely oblivious to the fact that this is literally one of the best examples of what TRP is informing and warning men about. I cannot recount how many times people have criticised TRP'ers for chasing women "who are like that" (i.e. slutty, hypergamous, etc.), completely ignoring that even the most innocent ones (virgins) are susceptible to the female nature warned about in this subreddit.
And people wonder why this ideology is gaining prominence.
GoyInTheStripedPJs 5y ago
That comment section was fucking hilarious dude, it made my skin crawl
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bjcm5891 5y ago
OP's story and some of those comments you're talking about were like looking back through a wormhole at my 18 y/o self. Such beta, nice-guy behaviour. I wonder if OP has a father or male mentor figure around to guide him straight with this stuff? I didn't when I was his age, so I know where this whole trying to be the good-guy mentality comes from. Hopefully this experience is the wake-up call he clearly needs.
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The comments following on from that post, ripping on TRP and slamming guys telling uncomfortable truths as "incels" just reek of guys who have been conditioned by media, movies and society into falling for this bullshit idea of how relationships work between men and women. The Stockholm Syndrome they exhibit is sad and hilarious in equal measure...
lunaluis 5y ago
I ain’t even mad, it leaves more women for those who’ve swallowed the pill. Sometimes, silently applying red pill principles is best.
The only guys I feel bad for are guys like OP, although he handled it ok. Many guys have lost jobs, money, and even their lives for the pursuit of a single poonani :(
lnternetLiftingCoach 5y ago
Judging by his text message (where he broke up with her) and his replies to the other commentators, I doubt this very much. Unfortunately, you can never help someone who does not want to be helped. I hope he realises the mistakes and errors of his past, if not now, then in the near future when it is not too late.
Accurate_Replacement 5y ago
Im a pretty liberal dude and even i litteraly could not believe my eyes when beta cucks and ultra femmenists were defending her actions saying "yasss gurlll "and "she was a virgin and was trying to see whats out there"
Holy shit there are too many cucks imagine if the roles were changed and a man did it omg
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This pretty much describes everything your party does in 2019 though.
"I'm a pretty liberal dude, and even I couldn't believe that they would support tech companies censoring the internet."
"I'm a pretty liberal dude, and even I couldn't believe that they were saying enforcing immigration law makes you racist."
"I'm a pretty liberal dude, and even I couldn't believe that they were saying we need to welcome ISIS fighters back into the country."
"I'm a pretty liberal dude, and even I couldn't believe that they would let ANTIFA and BLM shut down city streets without consequence."
We could literally write 100 of these quotes. Maybe it's time to reexamine who you support?
magx01 5y ago
He didn't mean politically liberal. You might be a bit too entrenched in the left/right shit my friend.
Accurate_Replacement 5y ago
yea hes getting too emotional i just meant im a pretty chill dude i dont even follow politics lol
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ozenmacher 5y ago
Men need to know and learn one thing. Blast it into your brain and never forget it. The female lizard brain is wired to seek alpha males. Their genes during the ovulating phase and their protection and provisioning the rest of the time. If an alpha is present they simply can not help it. Patriarchal societies were very well aware of this and had all sorts of checks to keep women from unleashing their base sexual instinct. Social shaming, severe penalties for cheating, etc. without that, and with modern social media, there are always better options out there. Women will eventually find one, somehow. Great for female empowerment and probably picking very good genetics, horrible for pretty much everything else including society.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This is basically the central problem surrounding all modern sexual dynamics in the west.
lunaluis 5y ago
This post serves to show that the female lizard brain is wired to think that way, regardless of what special circumstances you think make your girl different. I was guilty in thinking virgin LTR’s were different.
Virgin LTR, mother of your kids, or 10 year relationship. It simply doesn’t matter, these principals apply to any and all.
Bunthisting 5y ago
Both genders have the "lizard brain". And both are blessed with the Logos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos) the power of reason (and by implication that the world is rational - maths/science/language etc.)
The main difference, and this is biblical, is how the genders apply the logos (think Adam and Eve). Women by nature have less application of reason, we can debate this later. However, man is just as susceptible. The only escape for everyone is Jesus. God bless gents. https://i.imgur.com/ObWC48j.png
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truecrisis 5y ago
I'd say virgins are even worse. Why do you say this:
They will NOT pair bond. Dude, women are people. The only possibility for a virgin to remain faithful is how she might have been brainwashed by religion. Even then its not guaranteed.
A person is always going to dream about trading up. This is men or women. I would much rather have a woman who has been around the block and knows what she wants than a virgin who is still unsure about life.
The only thing a virgin serves, is to make a man who has zero self confidence to feel good about himself. Whether it be because she chose him or because he doesn't want to know if some past lover gave her mind blowing orgasms that he isn't capable of.
[deleted] 5y ago
lol around the block!!! yeah you are the retroactive cuckold!! Wife up that slut buddy
truecrisis 5y ago
And you aren't a slut, you fuck? Who cares if she's a slut. You live only once.
You need her n count low to feel better about yourself because your petty ego can't handle a better man than yourself. Enjoy your mental prison.
[deleted] 5y ago
Haha make my point for me !
You must be a female by the way you talk. LOL
truecrisis 5y ago
Your point? You don't have a point buddy.
You're so closed minded that you think sleeping with every woman in sight is virtuous while you don't allow them the same. Hypocritical at best, but I'm afraid you are much sadder than that. And it all comes from an insecure core. Go suck on mommys tit.
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To start, I have never advocated for sleeping with every woman in sight. This is your false projection onto me.
Next, scientific research has shown the more sexual partners a woman has had the less likely she is to pair bond with a man, her marriage faces greater odds of divorce, and she subjects herself to greater risk of stds.
Lastly, there is no hypocrisy in this realm. Womens oxytocin release and mans oxytocin release are different. Men are designed by nature to spread there seed and are able to handle sleeping with multiple women. Women on the other hand are not.
I would encourage you to do some serious studying on this subject and leave the brainwashing at home.
Quit projecting your insecurities onto others.
truecrisis 5y ago
Finally an actual response instead of trolling.
Already know this.
Haven't seen the studies, but I severely doubt they aren't biased. Women who sleep with multiple partners are likely already of a certain personality type who are capable of bias towards finding a new partner. I can't fathom how you would get a woman who wouldn't be interested in sleeping around to up her N count for science to see if she would divorce her future husband.
Not interested in the studies, because this topic doesn't affect my life at all. Every woman I've ever put my time of day into has been decent, even with my subscription to TRP values in the forefront of my mind.
That said, I would actually be opposed to investing in someone who hasn't had experience in her marketplace. For fucking sure I would never wife a virgin.
[deleted] 5y ago
Yeah, you are looking for a carousel rider man.
Do us all a favor and wife her up.....LOL
pm_me_tangibles 5y ago
After 20 guys, women are very unlikely to be capable of pair bonding. Below 20 they may stay during the inevitable rough spots in any relationship. May stay.
lunaluis 5y ago
I agree and this is what I was referring to when I mentioned pair bonding.
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I had a really hot virgin Christian girlfriend.
Taking her virginity and being the only guy she’s slept with DOES make her more attached to you. But not enough to stop her from cheating if you act beta.
My ex gf had a decent amount of attachment from it, but I was being really really fucking beta. The attachment let me still get in her pants for like 1-2 years after we broke up though. Any other normal girl with an N count would have ran for the hills after spending 1 day with me.
falconiawillfall 5y ago
You described my first relationship perfectly. I look back now and yeah the only reason she stayed is because I took her virginity and we fucked constantly.
tchower 5y ago
I think it’s more of the fact that girls never forget the first guy they did it with, and on top of that, the first time they do it will be their strongest memory.
The pair bonding going down as they sleep with more and more men is only part of it. But then if she’s not a Virgin there is the egoism to be better than all the other guys she’s been with.
truecrisis 5y ago
Sounds like you are agreeing with me that it has no meaning apart from serving the guys insecurities.
I disagree on the pair bonding. A woman who has had 250 partners vs one who has had 5. The 250 partner girl is very versed in what type of man she will and will not commit to. Sure you might say she is likely "alpha widowed" by that point but then don't fucking be a beta.
I argue that the virgin is actually more likely to cheat later in life when the LTR inevitably has a temporary lull and she starts to wonder what it's like to be fucked by that Chad she saw in the supermarket the other day.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Science disagrees with you. If you think of the brain chemistry of pair bonding like a drug, you can easily see how the response is reduced after repeated attempts, i.e. cock rides.
ReturningSpider 5y ago
Hahahaha
I got downvoted to shit on an alt there for chiding OP for not getting a guilt blowjob
Some highlights from the replies - “a guilt blowjob is something that only makes sense on pornhub. It’s kind of really rapey irl, seeing as the giver doesn’t actually wanna do it, they’ve just been guilt tripped into it” <— unsurprisingly, from an account that seems to belong to a woman
lunaluis 5y ago
They downvoted the hell out of anyone with good advice on there lol, but I actually disagree with you.
Revenge sex or guilt blow job, you’d just be disrespecting yourself even more as a man.
Abundance mentality, no contact, mind-shift (I’m the prize), and move on.
ReturningSpider 5y ago
I don’t actually disagree with you. Just wanted to wind some people up, which it did lmao
Though in this case guilt blowjob might unironically not be a bad call... a guy getting cucked this brutally isn’t the kind of guy I can picture getting laid anytime this year
Imperator_Red 5y ago
I always think it will be fun to go on other subs and comment or read comments for these types of posts. But afterwards I just feel shitty from seeing how delusional everyone is. It's not fun to feel like an outsider in your own society, even if you know that you are right.
lunaluis 5y ago
Fuck em, it leaves more women for the ones who’ve swallowed the pill.
altiro15 5y ago
A man should never ask for sex in a relationship or in a hook up, if you play your cards right she will drop to her knees and slurp on you like a slushy. If she dont? Move on to another girl and improve your game, simple.
Ive never had to ask for sex with the girls i dated, the first time i have sex with someone it usually starts with making out and she ends up between my legs and then i end up between her legs. Some guys are just very fragile and scared to tell a girl to go fuck herself if she’s not giving you pussy. Theres millions of pussy around you, you shouldn’t be simpin over one. If you are, take a break and be single for a good minute. Work on yourself
Auvergnat 5y ago
OP's woe is the direct consequence of agreeing to a LTR without getting sex. His looks don't matter, he proved to her then and there that he was dependable and easy to manipulate, aka the perfect beta provider. But of course the beta provider isn't sexually attractive, and you can't get a girl to ignore the sweet desire for alpha fuck, especially when she's at her SMV peak, aka when she does get noticed by every man out there, including the top alpha.
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anothdae 5y ago
And it's not even completely about the sex, it's about him demanding it from her.
He based his LTR around her deciding what to give him, when to do things, what to do.
It dosen't matter if those things are sex, money, chores, whatever.
He wasn't leading the relationship, and she resented him for it. It got so bad, she resented him so much that she threw her virginity away to the first person that simply didn't look like a little bitch.
msammy_is_back 5y ago
So many girls do this. They get a high school boyfriend, but he's just a placeholder until they are ready to move on to bigger and better things.
Sometimes they fuck the placeholder, sometimes they don't. Usually it depends upon whether or not the the placeholder is willing to put up with it. If they sense the placeholder wiggling off the hook they'll give up the pussy to lock him down - especially if they know other girls are eyeing him with willing intentions.
This keeps them from slutting around high school and being labeled a whore or the opposite being called a boyfriend-less loser. It lines up homecoming and prom and all the photograph moments they want to capture.
Usually the girls that do this type of bullshit are not the 8s, 9s and 10s. They are the 7s and the 7.5s - just good enough to rope some horny HS kid into their game - not good enough to fuck the hottest guy(s) in school.
It doesn't take long after high school ends for these girls to all of a sudden need space. Some do heartless shit like break up right after prom, revealing their incompatible college plans. If they like the placeholder, then that post-graduation summer will be full of parties and fun and they will seem inseparable until fall rolls around and its time to say their tearful goodbyes to their sweet, dear Maxie Panic Dream Boy. Then its off to college, sorority (hopefully if they are hot enough) and the endless forest of college guy cock they can't seem to not keep tripping over and landing on.
Its all about them. Your feelings are meaningless. Your pain is inconsequential. Young girls often carry the blackest of hearts. The most selfish of the selfish. Its not until later when the difficulty of life starts to bear down on them do they develop things like empathy and compassion. Those traits aren't necessary to a young girl used to getting whatever she wants. They are obstacles in fact. This is how immaturity reveals itself in women.
When you are a young man in high school focus on your studies, focus on athletics. Get a part time job that summer between junior and senior year. Save money and buy your first car. It is possible to letter in a sport and work part time while getting decent grades. I did it. I also lost my virginity at 15. Not sure as an adult I recommend starting that young, but I will say this - if you play sports and excel in them you won't have issues finding dates or female attention in general. You'll have your way.
One thing is for sure DO NOT get duped into being some pretty little hate machine's beta bitch manic pixie dream boy - existing so she can have her perfect little high school experience. Be the guy the girls fight over so you can have your pick without acquiescing to boyfriend status. MOST IMPORTANTLY, get serious about studies - enter a STEM engineering field if you are college material - if not attend a trade school and learn welding, machine shop fabrication or some other potentially lucrative field you become self-employed doing. High School should be fun, but it should also be about setting your life up for success. If you do it right you'll be making 6 figures at 30 - not at a dead end job still trying to figure it out. At this stage of the game girls are mostly a distraction.
jrterry1969 5y ago
I have been the blue pill loser, and the Chad in this scenario, it happens a lot.
There is at least a very high risk of this happening to you if you get into a "serious" relationship in high school or college. (I'd say the risk goes goes down with age and wisdom and older women, but never goes away).
My High School girlfriend was one year ahead of me in school. We fooled around extensively, and got each other off with hands or frottage, but never PIV or oral sex. I wasn't worried, she was so in love with me, I had no concept that she would feel attraction to anyone else.
So she goes off to school in another state. I am still not worried, she writes me multiple letters per week, and we talk on the phone at least once a week (back when long distance phone calls were expensive). I turned down options, because I had a girlfriend. I didn't want to mess up what I thought was a good relationship.
Well, all was well until she came home for Christmas break. What surely should come as no surprise to anyone who has ever participated in this forum, yet came as a bolt out of the blue to me, she lost her virginity to a guy she described as very good looking. I met him later in my life - actually a pretty nice guy.
Well, I was pretty weepy about it, but she broke up with newguy, we decided to get back together, and over her spring break, I lost my virginity to her.
Wouldn't you know it, she does it to me again. I got back together with her for a third go at it (at least I had managed to get with someone else in the meantime, so I felt we were on even ground), then we had a fight and I broker up with her, never to look back.
So when I got to college, having just gotten a life lesson in love and sex, I had a IDGAF attitude. So my first couple years of college, I got laid a fair amount. As a baseline, I'm decent looking and I can converse intelligently and I have a good sense of humor, so that helped, I am sure.
Some of these chicks were like my ex gf, "oh, I have a boyfriend back home" or, in one case, "Oh, I am engaged". They were actually the ones who most lusted after me and were dtf almost immediately.
Now, I wish I heard the term "red pill" then, but it was long before the Matrix even came out. Not long after this successful run I found myself in another LDR, and sure, enough, the same fucking thing happened to me.
This forum was a revelation. At times in my life when I was inadvertently red pillish, I had moderate to great success with women. When I went back to being that lovey dovey blue pill chump, I had my precious little heart broken.
lunaluis 5y ago
Going back to something mentioned in the sidebar, never get into a LDR. Women are driven by emotions and you can’t really spike those in an LDR.
She will almost always follow her emotions in the moment over her logic of the future.
jrterry1969 5y ago
So true. I tell people to avoid LDRs every chance I get.
mori_forthestreamer 5y ago
What the fuck story is this? OP was full gamma from the get go. What are you doing waiting years to have sex in this day and age? I can't believe OP went years without fucking her.
Accurate_Replacement 5y ago
Yea thats what most shockimg to me how did she and op last 4 years and not think about sex in their prime hormone-filled years this whole story readslike a beta book
lunaluis 5y ago
Like some sort of high school first love romance movie that feminist society wants you to conform to.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Who says he didn't think about it...? He thought about it all the time. He was just incapable of procuring it.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
What the fuck is “full gamma”?
OfficerWade 5y ago
The gamma rays. Beta, they are all the same. This guy just had a slip of the tongue. Call it a Freudian slip or Hermès precision...
mori_forthestreamer 5y ago
Idk it just popped out. Dipshit pussy.
Rav_the_slav 5y ago
I believe this post perfectly displays the true nature of both a man and a women.
She instinctively didn't want to fuck a guy that wasn't assertive, dominant and confident, she had no experience beforehand so this didn't happen from "learning from past experiences".
He, on the other hand, showed that all men have natural alpha tendencies that are suffocated by blue ways of thinking. He knew that not getting sex from your partner in a relationship wasn't right, but he rationalized it, he knew that a break is fucking retarded and he knew the real reason behind it, he just rationalized it and in the end, he knew that if he'd let her back in she'd cross the boundary again.
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friendandadvisor 5y ago
I'm highly amused by the "please don't punish yourself for what you did." LOL X 100.
Synthetic_Citizen 5y ago
There is the very likely possibility that she was not a virgin at all, and this was her way of "taking power back" from the one who had the moral high ground. Her behavior around the mid mark suggests that she had an eye out for other options considering her sudden lack of libido for her SO.
Point is im suspicious that she either never was a virgin or she fucked someone else during the relationship and the so called "break" was just the ruse she used to manipulate him into thinking that she made a spur of the moment mistake when in fact it was calculated and premeditated.
The OP has been played for a fool big time.
JorgitoEstrella 5y ago
He basically deserves it imo, what a cuck.
MikeTyson91 5y ago
Whether it does or doesn't is not the point. The point is she is not giving it up for you, which means you're not her #1, so your hamster should be shot right there and then and hard next process put in motion.
But never over a slut.
warlordchad 5y ago
Don’t get married. Don’t get married. Don’t get married...
lunaluis 5y ago
If you have to (some people do for cultural/religious reasons), make her sign a prenuptial agreement.
MikeTyson91 5y ago
Which gets tossed the moment you step in the court room. Take a look through posts telling divorce stories.
anothdae 5y ago
Prenups aren't the saving grace that people think they are.
They can protect things you come into the marriage with, but anything after that is fair game.
A judge can throw out a prenup in a heartbeat.
Things you can't get out of with a prenup.
1) Alimony. Hard stop. No. You will pay it. I don't care if your prennup has an infidelity clause and your wife slept with the whole town, did drugs and then murdered someone. You will pay alimony. Hard stop.
2) Custody of your children. Nope. Toss it away now. Not going to hold up.
3) And moral / social clauses. You can't dictate or punish behavior.
The only think a prenup is good for is assets you have prior to marriage. But not appreciation on those assets. Don't think that your company can grow over a couple decades and your wife won't get half the growth in the divorce.
JohnsonBonesJones 5y ago
Your argument on growth of assets and assets acquired post-marriage is only true in some states. Most states are common-law which means that upon divorce, assets are kept by those whose name is on it. So if you buy a house and your wife's name isn't on the deed, she can find a bridge to go live under.
anothdae 5y ago
Name a state where spouses get to keep what's in their name.
That doesn't happen. A judge will not let a wife "go live under a bridge".
JohnsonBonesJones 5y ago
Google common law states. There's like 35 of them. The internet isn't that hard to use, you seem to do just fine spreading false information on it.
anothdae 5y ago
I live in one. I understand how this works.
WaspOnAWall 5y ago
The situation is pretty simple if you look at it from the girl's perspective : when the relationship started, she wasn't confident with her sexuality and didn't want to commit, so she set the rule of "no penetration". Now, the guy's role was to :
1-Not accept the rule, but instead reframe it as "no penetration for now/until you're ready/I want penetration eventually". 2-Push things further over time, and if she still doesn't want to go all the way after trying several times, give her indication that this is a deal breaker. Note that it would be very unlikely for things to go this far if you're not inept in bed and if you've established trust and complicity.
The whole process should last 1-2 weeks, and no more than a month. When the guy let it fester for 2 years (let alone 4), he was already way past redemption. Of course, the girl felt trapped : she was now in a sexless relationship for 4 years!
I see this situation as a failure on the guy part, because he failed to understand that his role was to lead things forward and make her comfortable with sexuality, not to "respect" the girl's immature decision, which was born out of irrational fear.
It's also not that "chad did in 3 days what he couldn't do in 4 years", more likely after 4 years the girl couldn't wait to do it with anyone and chad just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
Punstatostriatus 5y ago
attaboy!
Remember angry folks, women also have emotions, very often strange emotions which they are prisoners of.
Sake99 5y ago
Do you think it was good for him to polity detach himself for her or he would've gone for revenge sex and broke up with her after wards?
hearse223 5y ago
She wasnt going to give him any revenge sex, getting cucked wouldnt magically turn him into an alpha who takes what he wants. He did good to end it, but the sobby apologetic final text is awful praxis.
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Cayrux 5y ago
Goddamn this post resonated with me. I was in a similar situation to this a few years ago and it broke me. In hindsight it taught an extremely valuable life lesson. Fucking AWALT.
I'm doing much better now though.
Scarecrow101 5y ago
Fuck this guy is making me cringe so badly, he is such a white knight, how the fuck does someone end up down this route! I'd lose my mind and move on if I couldn't fuck someone for 4 years! I dont care if they were virgins and "Waiting" its just an outdated mindset that we as other guys can take advantage of.
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1TRUEKING 5y ago
can you pm me the link to this post please lmao
[deleted] 5y ago
So what ?
I don't get the point of the post .