The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.
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redpillcad 5y ago
Fast forward to mid 30s to 50s.
Most men that are married and raising kids aren't actively looking to stray. They are happy as pigs in shit for a starfish fuck once a week and a wife that isnt too much of a pain in the ass. Go read any newbie MRP post. These guys are miserable and barely know it except for the splinter in their brain
Women want nothing less than a vampire billionaire with a six pack. All her frenimes on social media better lust after this guy too. Otherwise, she either tosses him out and goes for cash and prizes OR she becomes a living hell to deal with as women despise weak men. Sex is negotiated if ever.
Playing the LTR game means you make her jump thru hoops or YOU will walk. This is what women want. They don't want to win, they want a winner
Platos_slow_brother 5y ago
And the scary part, guys, is this is all getting worse out there, not better.
I look at the gals out there today, and see nothing but Kardashian wanna-bes.
Luckyluke23 5y ago
they want to play the game and you have to win it.
menial_optimist 5y ago
Yeah I could see it. My buddy is like that. His wife made him wait 2-3 years until marriage before she gave her pussy up to him. When he announced he was getting married my only question to him was "But why marriage?" and his response is that "She wants it, and it will make her happy", so that told me she was obviously pressuring for it for some time. She was a born again virgin, having took plenty of dick before finding jesus. He wowed her with his commitment to her celibacy and she then "devoted" herself "completely to [him]". He said he knows "guaranteed" she will remain loyal to him for the rest of his life. He says them being together forever is guaranteed. Yet despite all this he regularly gets drunk on the weekends, even if he can't find anyone and he's just by himself in his basement. He loves his 2 year old daughter and always claims to be a content family man who has it all, but my gut tells me he yearns for a different life.
tl;dr She manipulated my friend masterfully playing the naive innocent cute girl for 2-3 years, slowly conned him into marriage with the lure of sex.
Gaboyski_ 5y ago
I've said this before somewhere else in the sub, this "I'm a Christian virgin" façade is a shit test aimed specifically on beta males reared in a religious background. For this reason I believe that tradcon values must be completely thrown out in a feminized society that no longer respects these morals.
Hombremaniac 5y ago
He is bound to see through this sooner or later. Since he went for the marriage, it will cost him serious money, but I'd say it's worth to have his own self back.
FrontloadPain 5y ago
I'm always baffled by the men in these kind of stories. How exactly can you be lured into marriage with sex when casual sex is more readily available than ever in the western hemisphere? You don't even need to be RP aware to realize that, some basic rational thought is enough. Men need to get a grip on reality.
Howdoiusesync 5y ago
I just got over an ex because of this comment.
redpillcad 5y ago
I've been there dude but once you unplug you realize that moping over a woman is like going to the beach and regretting that you forgot to bring sand
Psychocist 5y ago
Ha! Very true.
My attitude has forever shifted from instead of moping over someone to focusing on good times with someone else. They're as interchangeable as we are to them.
awakenedspirit1 5y ago
Hilariously true way to look at it
Howdoiusesync 5y ago
I've always knew or had a small itch with some girls that I loved fucking without commitment (humble brag but stay with me.) Then when it would turn into something more consistent where I would get angry that I wasn't working on myself. I thank you. Seriously it just helped me stay hold on the choices I've made for myself.
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
Surprisingly accurate article. Noticed that they managed to sneak this little gem in though.
MSM, subtly normalizing cuckoldry since 2016.
OutsideTheCage3 5y ago
It's true that this writer is likely buying into the female-primary worldview, but as a man it's possible to see non-monogamy from the superior position or the inferior position. Many guys writing here seem not to know or understand the superior position for the man.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
That website is pathetic. It advocates open or "poly" relationships aka open cuckoldry. This is different than spinning plates. There is no "superior" position in which another man fucks your LTR.
neveragoodtime 5y ago
There’s only one position, the natural position. In a polygamous situation, the woman secures the resources of multiple men who don’t know if the offspring is their own. Even men who have sexual access to multiple women won’t know if they’ve sexually reproduced. For this reason, polygamy means security for the woman, and a gamble for the man.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Polygamy (AKA fuckfest) is not natural behavior for humans. In polygamy, the males do not know that they are the father and so have zero desire to invest in offspring. Fatherly instinct would never have evolved in humans if this were the case. We would be like chimpanzees, where the males take little notice or care of the young. The existence of paternal care disproves polygamy as being a natural state for humans. You simply would not be able to convince men to give a fuck about their children if this instinct had never evolved.
The natural state is quasi-monogamy for periods of time and polygyny (1 male multiple females), with hypergamous hookups and monkey branching mixed in. Perhaps some low status males like OP allow themselves to get cucked as well because it is better than getting no pussy at all.
Platos_slow_brother 5y ago
See also the current American underclass.
neveragoodtime 5y ago
I totally agree, the current fuck fest is fueled by technical advances in birth control, but it doesn’t change the underlying dynamics you describe. I figured there would be plenty of beta males to stick around to have sex once a month and raise children that aren’t theirs, but I think you’re right, even they would realize she’s not breeding with him and only using him for his resources, and eventually check out of the fatherhood game. Feminism laments single motherhood, feminism creates single motherhood.
disabledtrp 5y ago
All the studies doesn't say if the husband (or the wife) maintain his physique after X amount of time in the relationship. Doesn't say if they become bored of the relationship itself too, why there was a change in the going out and the activities they have done together. Only kids are counted as variable. Is not that i don't believe it, but if any of this causes had an impact, is completely normal and is what we usually say here that is going to happen.
csawyer86 5y ago
Exactly. Have either of them become a fat couch potato ? Did the man stop trying to win the woman over? Did the woman stop giving blowjobs just because? A lot of things kill desire and this article and many others never cover that.
brg2 5y ago
So.... both sexes have the same problem. Guys love new pussy. Girls love new dick. Bada bing, bada boom
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throwaway-aa2 5y ago
More like... girls love the "best" dick, and constantly either branch swing, or shit test the current dick they have, to see the value of it, and then either suffer in the relationship when the value is shown to be lower, or branch swing accordingly.
skagman 5y ago
Why do people only think girls branch swing. If a better girl came along with a better pussy tits and face who wouldn’t jump for it.
throwaway-aa2 5y ago
It's not just about new. It's about more.
Arkasio 5y ago
We are polygamous. We just would try to fuck both at the same time.
majani 5y ago
Plus a man would also readily fuck less hotter women if it's an easy lay or if he's had a dry spell. We're not the same in this respect
skagman 5y ago
That's a fair point. The comment I replied to seemed bitter about it fucking up a monogamous relationship though.
OutsideTheCage3 5y ago
That is part of the reason I am surprised more players haven't incorporated sex clubs and non-monogamy into their game.
I have an unusual view, too: I think that there are only two kinds of relationships: those in which a guy plans to have kids with a woman, and all other kinds of relationships.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Oh it's this guy again. He argues that the solution is to cuck yourself with open relationships (distinct from spinning plates).
awakenedspirit1 5y ago
Control game is tough for some (raises hand). But clearly the way to go. Mostly because a well trained woman is a happy woman. Sluts? Not so happy
FrontloadPain 5y ago
The idea has been around for a long time. Many within the PUA community were fully aware of the female nature and recommended open relationships. It's like a doctor who prescribes you Aspirin for your allergies.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
If you can watch someone you're emotionally invested in take a cock from a stranger then go for it. Normal men cannot. Something is wrong in the head if you like this.
FrontloadPain 5y ago
It's male hamstering. "If I can satisfy her hypergamy by getting cucked my unicorn will love me till the end of days." Even worse than your basic BP guy.
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farendsofcontrast 5y ago
Men who run successful marriages or LTRs know that the key is to make women earn the sex. They set up a result-reward kind of system that facilitiates endless attraction.
They might not be having continous regular sex like people in hookup lifestyles but they are having much more exciting and fulfilling sex than the former.
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Wanna have kids?
Why not skip right the fuck past the inevitable dead marriage/costly divorce/emotional turmoil needlessly inflicted on/money that is wasted and could be spent on the innocent children?
Just cut to the chase and plan for the two-household model you're likely to end up at anyway
Knock her up
Come up with a co-parenting plan
Get a paternity test
See your kids
Pay your child support
Stay on amicable terms with baby momma
Look how ahead of the curve you already are: mommy and daddy don't hate each other because they didn't wreck every inch of human respect for each other by shoehorning themselves into an unworkable sham! That's a unicorn kid right there!
Don't be jealous when she gets herself a new man who is more cohabitation minded; if you're doing it right, you'll be too busy fucking other women to care about that anyway
At the same time, since you haven't wrecked all shreds of mutual human dignity with baby momma, you can gently use your influence to steer her away from partners who are potential destructive influences on your child (drug abusers, molesters, whatever)
Lather rinse repeat die
kerrielou73 5y ago
Sounds like my ex and I except I pay child support. We live across the street from one another. He has a younger girlfriend. I'm happy to do my own thing. Relationships are too much fucking work. Maybe when I'm retired.
The great thing is, these days it's pretty easy to get very close to a 50/50 residential split. One of the biggest factors in determining how much support the non-custodial parent pays is the schedule. Respective budgets of each household and income of each parent are also part of the calculation, but more overnights means less support. Men no longer have to settle for every other weekend and six weeks in the summer. Many still do, but they don't have to. It just means they have to do more parenting than an every other weekend dad. They're perfectly capable and it's good for the kids..... and the mom.
Platos_slow_brother 5y ago
Why not simply hire out a surrogate and a nanny? For guys earning in the top 10%, that would likely be a decent option.
majani 5y ago
This is my plan to deal with the current situation.
Hombremaniac 5y ago
Funny thing, this kinda happened to me, we were together in LTR for some 9 years (son is now 7 years old).
Now having my son for holidays and 2-3 weekends in a month and I guess I'm on good terms with his mother, although she ofc had a feeling, I was not paying enough. That we sorted out quickly. I laughed how her ending argument was "I never truly was interested in how much you earn". Yet she had strong feeling, I was not paying almony high enough. Isn't that kinda contradictory?
CptFizz 5y ago
Poor plan. Do what Ronaldo did. Make baby, keep baby, never see the mother again.
MikeTyson91 5y ago
Funny how that's the main thing men (and women) with "WE DO IT FOR THE KIDS" hamster don't get. It's so easy and one could argue even intuitive.
yomo86 5y ago
Get a surrogate. One payment and off you go. But honestly. My life will go on for 50 years for the younger ones among us 60. Even if you have offspring within two generations almost none of your genetic code will remain. So why not let Rome burn and have a relaxed good ol' time. TRP in its core taught me one thing change what you can change but don't bother with the rest.
Platos_slow_brother 5y ago
If you get fun kids, they are the best part of life. No joke. I never expected that kids would be so great to have, until I had kids. Best part of life, hands down.
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I agree. I just think it is possible to have a workable strategy...even if genetic legacy fades, I don't want to have died without knowing what it's like to be a father.
Maybe you're right about surrogacy
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I see what you're saying, but man open relationships are so repulsive to me, and I see this as drastically different because you've explicitly cut romantic ties at this point....it's not an open relationship in the same way that parents who divorce/break up and co-parent separately aren't in an open relationship.
A few of the latter do still end up amicable, though and I believe this is a good way to replicate those preferable amicable scenarios.
kerrielou73 5y ago
I prefer don't ask, don't tell. Respect me enough not to do it with someone in a time and place where I'll easily have to find out and I won't look at your phone or snoop. Same goes for me. I don't like open relationships, because they always seem to have so many rules and assume both partners are interested in having extra-marital sex at the same time. Usually one person does and the other has to be convinced. They'll pursue other partner's so everything is "fair." It's stupid. The other person might not get the itch for 10 years. Meanwhile, the partner who was so insistent on opening the relationship up has been there, done that and decided it wasn't so important to them after all.
I dunno. There's something to be said for old fashioned relationships where you just washed the lipstick off his collar and pretended you never saw it.
kellykebab 5y ago
Or, How to Produce the Generation That Finally Does Destroy the World
Yes, what a great idea this is.
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Women are socialized for independence, and men are socialized for compliance and commitment. From every corner, screen, and interface.
In other words, the whole scenario is set up for the man to be used and abandoned , like some male black widow that's all but eaten, at the woman's whim.
No thanks.
I didn't choose for it to be this way. And I'm not about to martyr myself out of some longshot goal of fixing this mess.
The society that created this isn't even worth saving.
I'm just gonna get mine.
The end.
kellykebab 5y ago
I don't even really know how this babble relates, but I would say your starting premise,
is just observably false.
I don't really care if you, personally, don't get married. But don't preemptively divorce the mother of your kids and neglect them by design. That's crazy trash person behavior. Kids need a present father, not a rotating slew of degenerates fucking their mom.
[deleted] 5y ago
Whether you want it or not, that's where they end up anyway.
Meh. Do as you please
kellykebab 5y ago
What? Over half of all marriages do not end. And while perhaps some of those women cheat, most do not.
Fearing a bad result and then assuring its outcome ahead of time is one of the most illogical things a person could do.
[deleted] 5y ago
Actually, it isn't.
You're ignoring the magnitude of harm perpetrated by the potential bad outcome
Expected value of a decision = probability of outcome * value of outcome of it occurs
kellykebab 5y ago
Well, you made up some fake math, I guess kids really don't need their father around!
[deleted] 5y ago
You're putting them at more risk
kellykebab 5y ago
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here, but I'm going to assume the logic is as tortured as it's been in the other comments and just move on.
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OutsideTheCage3 5y ago
I have argued many times that men would have to be foolish to marry in today's climate, yet so many men seem to do so anyway. Total, unforced folly. The child support system is bad enough, without throwing marriage into it too.
Foobyx 5y ago
"But Meana discovered that “institutionalization of the relationship, overfamiliarity, and desexualization of roles” in a long-term heterosexual partnership mess with female passion especially—a conclusion that’s consistent with other recent studies."
“Moving In With Your Boyfriend Can Kill Your Sex Drive” was how Newsweek distilled a 2017 study of more than 11,500 British adults aged 16 to 74. It found that for “women only, lack of interest in sex was higher among those in a relationship of over one year in duration,” and that “women living with a partner were more likely to lack interest in sex than those in other relationship categories.”
DicamVeritatem 5y ago
As I read the article, I kept waiting for the word “hypergamy” to show up.
Will they ever get it?
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