Summary: Reminder: women don’t like making decisions.
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I want to share an interaction I recently had with my LTR. She came over to my place to spend the night and she wanted to wear one of my sweaters. I opened my closet and pointed at the sweaters. She asked “which one should I wear?”. I said “I don’t know they’re all good, take your pick” and went to the living room to put something on the TV.
She came out a couple of minutes later, wearing a sweater she picked, and looking sad. Then she dropped this bomb “you understand women so well but you seem to have forgotten that we don’t like to make decisions”. Oh shit.
Then it started coming back to me. Over the past few weeks I’ve been busy with major projects at work and have been slacking. Earlier that day she had texted “what should I bring for dinner?” and I said something along the lines of “whatever you want”. I haven’t been leading the relationship, setting plans, etc. Mind you these were all decisions that I consider simple and thought maybe she can handle them for while. Nope. I’ve been putting the burden on her and picking the sweater was the straw that broke the camel’s back. What I should have said when she texted about dinner is “bring xyz” and when she asked what sweater she should wear I should have picked literally any sweater for her. It wouldn’t have mattered what food we ate or what sweater she wore, just making those extremely difficult decisions would have made the little child happy.
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Lessons learned: Do her and yourself a favor and make her goddamn decisions.
TommyTheThird 5y ago
Shit like this just pushes me mgtow tbh
dontbeanasshole777 5y ago
What would happen if you simply tell her to make dinner? Like "It's up to you to pick a meal, I just want a dinner".
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
oooo, yeah this is like Red Pill 101 stuff to be aware of. It really doesn't matter the scope of the decision, or if it's something trivial. They just want to feel like they're being lead on.
It's not about thinking 'god damn, these decisions are so easy'. Of course she can make them. It's not the point. They are ALWAYS testing. If we can't lead tiny decisions, how are they supposed to trust us with the big ones?
hugaddiction 5y ago
I do believe women are better at following the lead than taking it in a LTR, but its no so important that you should be actively trying to avoid it, or punishing yourself for a slight misstep. I don't understand how it was "the straw that broke the camel's back" . If things fell apart in the aftermath of this situation you described, I am certain it was not because you failed to guild her decision making processes. Relationships fail for a few reasons, most frequently a women finds a higher status or more alpha guy/ they think if they end the relationship with you that they can get a higher status or more alpha guy, or they think you are displaying traits of non commitment (i.e. cheating) and are a risky investment of their limited available time at their peak. If you want to know how to keep a female, don't sweat the small stuff, like remembering to tell her what to eat and what sweater of yours to choose, up your status or up your alpha lvl. Everything else is just an effort to avoid the really difficult work.
Andgelyo 5y ago
Answer: the red sweater, it makes your tits pop out more.
Women love it when men lead. I’ve noticed this when I was back in grad school when I would be I group projects and organize fun events.
jonpe87 5y ago
nah, they just don't want to hold responsability
Casanova-Quinn 5y ago
For the men who worry about making "wrong" decisions, don't worry. A woman will tell you if she thinks it's wrong, and you can make an alternative decision, if you agree with her feedback. The important thing is to just make the decision in the first place.
SUCK_MY_DICTIONARY 5y ago
I just want to point out that this isn’t just women. It’s also people at work (men or women), people in your relationships.
Generally, lack of being able to make a decision stems from low self-esteem (low value) and fear of abandonment. Learning how to make a decision can help you start attacking the real problems. Namely, thinking you aren’t capable of even deciding what kind of sandwich to eat for lunch and need to consult someone who is able to adequately judge these tough kinds of situations...
xesup2 5y ago
Women need to be told what to do, to feel safe, comfortable.
Swagasauriusfromhrvd 5y ago
Agreed this a big thing that is looked over in the sub. We tend to generillize a lot of the advice for getting girls as "woman like this" when in fact most of the advice can be aplied to anyone.
hjkl4life 5y ago
Not just anyone, but anyone in need of guidance.
Funny enough, that happens to be most people today!
Gaboyski_ 5y ago
This goes back to the original usage of the "alpha wolf" as the one leading the pack. Taking decisions on behalf of other people (women and men alike) is a manifestation of the leadership traits and other alpha qualities that red pilled men strive to cultivate.
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hjkl4life 5y ago
lol
This is the best response.
Whisper 5y ago
/u/ProjectImmortality, ya dropped the ball.
This was a submissive gesture and you interpreted it as a demand. She didn't want to avoid choosing what to wear. Do you seriously think she would be stuck in front of her closet crying in frustration if she were going somewhere alone and had to pick?
No.
She wanted you to tell her what to wear.
She doesn't hate making minor decisions. She loves being told what to do by men she is attracted to. That's why you were being asked to make minor decisions that carried no real responsibility... decisions she couldn't possibly be afraid of. She gives zero fucks about what sweater she ends up wearing. She gives many fucks about whether you are willing to give orders or not.
For extra fun, when you are telling her what to wear, make her model each one for you. Tell her to give you a slow spin so you can see it from all sides. Make modeling-related jokes. Then pick one you like (or one at random) and tell "Wear that. Daddy likes that one."
KeffirLime 5y ago
This, it was an act of service.
She was excited for him to choose something for her to wear so she could play sexy prancing around in his clothes, the one he chose.
Instead he brushed it off and went to watch TV which deflated the moment, hence her sombre response.
Or sometimes, just playing with the child means the world to her.
pinlol 5y ago
bruh..
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those 2 comments fucken blew my mind, thanks
Whisper 5y ago
I would EC you for this if I hadn't already done so.
Yes, women are perma-children. But what do you do with children? Berate them for not being adults? No, you teach them things, and you play with them and have fun.
A child is an annoyance only if it is badly brought up. Calling someone a child is an insult only if you think poorly of children.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I agree, it's a beautiful analogy that illustrates the role of playfulness in the repertoire of healthy dyad leadership behavior.
As a veteran and observer of many long relationship arcs, I feel the boundaries and breaking points of this analogy need awareness and exposure while we are here. While things are good, this playfulness is the bread and butter of healthy relationships. When a woman becomes dissatisfied, she will weaponize once playful behaviors with a keening infantilized whine and carefully time them for maximum disruptive value. After the lightswitch flips, all of your loving efforts to make playful the basic relationship work of learning boundaries and rules can get hamstered straight into He was manipulative and abusive the whole time we were dating. Maintain strong frame, sure. You're going to need it in spades when she runs with this narrative throughout your mutual social matrices and swears it into baseless court documents.
Even literal children have the innate ability to tell when their nurturers are receptive to feedback pushes, and when it's best not to test them. The ability to discern this and the will to behave sensibly when necessary are attributes I vet for uncompromisingly. If someone is unable to dial it back even from the beginning, this is diagnostic of Axis II problems like BPD and NPD or general impulse control issues.
For healthy people, avoiding disrupting their SO is a normal aspect of adulting, but be on the lookout for someone testing these types of behaviors for an underlying reason as simple (and stupid) as feeling bored and unable to think of anything better to do while their Captain is busy with something genuinely and mutually important. If you find a particular woman requires a steady diet of corrective behavior, it might be a sign that something in her lizard brain is broken in a way that no method of leadership will ever satiate or correct. This is one of the primary reasons cohabitation carries strong warnings. It became a problem every time I tried, and can't/doesnt become a problem now that I don't cohabitate. When your cost to walk away rather than suffer annoying games is low and your will to exercise it is high, the beauty of it is, healthy women know not to even bother to try.
Lesson learned: Sometimes her inner child is really like the girl in The Exorcist (NSFW) so trying to play your way to sanity with her is a trap you'll never beat.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Great comment. A lot of dude wants to get angry that women, as it turns out, aren't like me. 'They're all annoying little children'.
Exactly. Learn to LOVE the fact that they're children. I love the difference between hanging out with my mates, and hanging with a plate. It's like 'I've had my fill of adult time, now let's go do daddy day care'.
Stop wanting women to be men.
hjkl4life 5y ago
This.
WoodleyWarrior85 5y ago
Yup, these types of little tests are a staple of LTR life.
Sure, women are capable of making dinner plans and choosing which clothes to wear. However, it's more fun for them if they feel like you are leading and taking them on an adventure.
The twist is they want you to make the decision, while also passing a shit test. For instance, my LTR often asks where I want to go to dinner. I propose a specific venue at a certain time. She'll then say "Eww I hate that type of food." Or, she'll sort of agree, but propose we do some thing else 30min before the reservation.
From a guy's perspective, this is illogical and rude. I want to say "Look, if you care this much about where we eat, why don't you just pick a place?"
Ah...but that wouldn't be fun! No, what's fun is you overriding her complaining and waffling, and then showing her a great time. Showing that your frame/judgment was superior.
To be honest, playing these games gets tiring. When I go out with my guy friends, it's so much easier. We just pick a workable place and then have a good time catching up. No drama.
Shit testing and low-level drama seem to go with the territory in LTR's. It's not just dinner, either. It's weekend plans, movies, career moves, etc. etc.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Yeah man these games are fucking retarded. The more I see of this the more it confirms the view that women are unreasonable second class citizens.
ticklethegooch1 5y ago
Your strategy to lead is a little bit narrow. Listen to Patrice and introduce the concept of options to her. Which basically means, offer her different paths that are pre-determined by you (as I understood it).
Anyways, everyone needs to slack once in a while. You physically can't be on guard 100%. Aiming high is good, not considering your maximum capabilities in your equation is foolish.
In situations like this I would occasionally respond: surprise me!
What do you want for dinner? Surprise me.
What do you want me to wear? Surprise me.
First of all you make her taking over the decision tree with one primal goal and that is satisfying you. If you are a complete dictator, she will hamster oppression. If you leave her alone, she will hamster lack of leadership.
If she is really confused, with what to pick, she might openly tell you that she wants to please you, but doesn't want to make the wrong decision (hamster in full action of asking you for leadership), I occasionally throw in: I trust you with this.
After she made a choice I validate her.
What you want in life is not a dog, you want a first mate. I imagine a typical TRP guy as business and independence driven man. A woman that can't please you or at least has no basic understanding of pleasing you in being your first mate is not worthwhile as an LTR IMO.
So as a takeaway: lead and occasionally lift the burden off of yourself and tell her to come up with something that has the ability to please you.
RedEmbrace 5y ago
THE answer to this question is "the one I like" or something similar. She starts wondering about you, what you like, will you like it or will you like that better instead.
womans_algorithm 5y ago
My girl would just ask me which one i like.
warburgio 5y ago
Example of banter-aNswer: dont u know? you dont really care about me!Its all about sex with you!
ArdAtak 5y ago
Agreed. Show that you can lead and make decisions. When I was young, I thought being laid back and flexible and letting them pick the restaurant, movie, etc was a sign of generosity and putting their preferences before yours. Chivalry, if you will. Now I know better.
They also like it when you have a plan and prepare for that plan ahead of time. I.E. You decided you're going for a picnic but you also make sure you had all the necessary stuff to make it fun and comfortable.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Your first paragraph is a perfect example of my father’s classic error in dealing w my mom, and why he accidentally invited so much fighting and shitty attitude from her. He’s a strong and capable/competent man, but his spirit of generosity was often misapplied and led to a quarrelsome household.
I used to hold my mom solely accountable for how bitchy and insane she was growing up. But now that I understand this point, I can see that the overly flexible way my dad ran his ship caused her hindbrain to constantly act up. Women barely have agency.
Dread game would’ve helped a lot but his Christian framework excluded that mentality. And Dalrock didn’t exist back then.
Andgelyo 5y ago
Essentially we have to do everything because women are lazy
jrr6415sun 5y ago
yea I wish I knew this when I was younger, I thought I was being nice, should have just picked a random movie and been done with it.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
This is one thing women don’t realize about themselves. They don’t want equality, they want you to make decisions for them
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THEdirtyDotterFUCKr 5y ago
You can still take the lead and be chivalrous. Instead of "whatever you want babe" ask her "Cuisine X or Y" Both of which you are in the mood for. Then you pick your favorite of the two.
In this way, she feels as though she has a voice or a valued opinion, and you do not end up being loathed because you do not have a spine or she behaves like a brat until you "guess" which restaurant she really wants to go to.
UnpluggedDad 5y ago
This is actually something I read in child rearing books. I always give my kids 2 options and let them choose. They will suffer from analysis paralysis when there are too many options.
Ivan_The_Reddish 5y ago
The false choice method is apparently also great to use on kids so they think they get to make a decision. It's almost as if.....
CalmPassenger 5y ago
I feel like this is hard to balance sometimes because eventually they start saying stuff like “we always only do what you want to do” and get mad
THEdirtyDotterFUCKr 5y ago
and? she can get mad all she wants, there is always the next one
AttentionDenail 5y ago
Yesterday I decided to go to a specific eating place with my LTR and a gf of mine. She complained in a calm manner, that she wants to decide too from time to time. How should I handle this? I mean it is ok to give her a right to decide it from time to time isn't it? English is obviously not my first language, so please be kind
Redpilledaccordingly 5y ago
Don't take these writings too literally. Let her decide from time to time. If she has an exact place in mind and you like that place then go for it. When she's being indecisive is when you want to be assertive.
AshyLarry27 5y ago
perfect answer. You're most likely going to hear "you make decisions all the time, what about me" as a response to leading when she actually HAS an answer or KNOWS what she wants to eat for dinner.
THEdirtyDotterFUCKr 5y ago
The following is only applicable to a FWB/GF (an upgraded plate if you will)
in situations like this I would highly recommend "narrowing down" their choice for them. I shall use OP's post as an example.
"A red one" (or whatever color is your favorite, have the least of) this way she "gets" to choose something she already knows you will like.
OP, and anyone else in this situation should know what she is good at cooking/making or if she does not cook, pick a cuisine you are in the mood for. In this way you can "test" her to see if she pays attention to your likes. Does she know your fave Italian restaurant? does she know your fave dish at said restaurant.
THEdirtyDotterFUCKr 5y ago
Alternatively when you (are with a LTR and) cannot decide on where to go for dinner, give a choice. Italian or Mexican (or whichever two cuisines you are in the mood for). She 'gets to pick' between the two so she feels as though her opinion is valued (whether it is true or not) and you decide which restaurant to go to. If you are feeling extra generous you can pick the restaurant that is her fave of the cuisine she selected. That is if you pay enough attention to know which she likes.
ENTP 5y ago
Women don’t ask you to make decisions because they can’t... If she was single she would have no problem.
They ask you to make decisions to prove fitness. It’s a shit test.
I’ve made it clear to my wife that I will never partake in decisions relating to female fashion or hygiene. She will rend her clothes and cry and fight, but stand firm. Now it’s not an issue.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Man I hate that type of question. "Sure, send me a spreadsheet detailing the current contents of your pantry and refrigerator, and every recipe you know or have access to, and also include details of your day and mindset relevant to what you might/might not feel like cooking today, that I might make an informed decision."
To some extent yes. It's much more pleasant to train her in parallel not to bother the Captain with certain classes of question, and the judgement to discern the differences.
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oooKenshiooo 5y ago
Picking shit for her when you genuinely do not care is buying into her frame. Tell her you don't give a shit and she should pick whatever pairs best with her big girl pants.
And fuck her if she becomes annoying.
DreamExpedite 5y ago
I'm a newbie here so tell me the flaw in my proposition but I think that if she needs you to pick the restaurant, pick the sweater, plan the trips, have a contingency plan etc, and she just wants to ride along, that's not something I'd want really. Especially if it's an ltr, if you're investing all that time into someone, you may restrain yourself from investing your heart, but I don't think that just physical stuff is worth all that time. With that time, what you should get in return, the least you should get in return is reliability ,not mutually exclusive to dependency. Now again, I'm open to having some Revelations, but only if you explain this smart ass nosy newbie why you think that's okay. Please don't say that the man is supposed to be tthe iron pillar who gets his dick caressed in return for all that he does. We're not made of iron and you know it, we're weak ass humans after all. Anyway, thanks for posting your story, and for replying if you do, regardless of your point of view, I hope you have a great day
max_peenor 5y ago
I don't know why people are downvoting you.
Ok, you get to do that. We aren't here to tell you what to want or what to do. We are here to share observations on what has happened. There are plenty of people that have lived long lives as plough horses to the female imperative and we're perfectly ok with that. Plenty? Hell, billions. Whereas there are plenty of men who have rejected that and lived at the peak of a mountain that is their life. Most of us, I suspect both you and me, have lived somewhere in between.
Not at all. You are conflating a lot of stuff here. I think a better but still flawed version is a "a man is supposed to be an iron pillar and because of that he will get his dick caressed for who he is." I think you have the right idea in that you shouldn't be GIVING all kinds of stuff to women, nor should these decisions be made as a gesture of resources in hopes transactional sex. The idea that "you are the prize" is an area you might want to explore more. That might tie this all up nicely for you.
Cheers and good luck.
DreamExpedite 5y ago
Wow okay, that's really understanding of you because you found the fallacy there. Yeah I that is exactly where I faulted because lately I've been unravelling my insecurity of the need for external validation. I'm not looking away from the problem and assuming it doesn't exist by being all douchey and stuff, but I'm really trying to look hard at it. And yeah, that is really the crux my insecurity that I became one step closer to solving today, and you just topped the cake with a big ass cherry man. I really really appreciate you doing this for me. As another favour,because it seems as if you're pretty into the roots of trp and the "Why" behind it so while I am certainly reading up all of the material provided by the community, it would be great for me if you could give me a few actionable steps that you would've told your 17 year old, potentially blue pilled self. Thanks again Sir Max and have a good one for me today!
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Everybody is different. You have the annoying type that want you to choose only to complain as shit test or just bad temper. You have the ones that simply want to be ruled and really don't want to decide. There also the one that are perfectly in control of their life but just want to play games.
The sweeter stuff could have finished in the bed. It was most likely a game and the OP failed to recognize it hence the disapointed reaction of the woman: Her man prefered to watch TV than to fuck her.
Also, most people like to be driven and just enjoy their time when they trust and respect the one making the decision. It isn't necessarily for everything if the person is healthy, but from time to time, its nice.
One of the most annying things for men is that men are most often literal and women are almost never like that. The man is upset because he doesn't get she really want/ask and why she act like that and the woman is upset because the man is so basic and can't understand what she is truely saying.
DreamExpedite 5y ago
Alright yeah! So men are literal while women aren't, so when she's letting the man choose her sweaters, she's actually just portraying dependency and trust. Thanks for the reply man, I appreciate it
some_zounderkite 5y ago
Just because your LTR is braindead doesn't mean all women are. I've seen a lot of people on here having generalisation problems like you.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Of course there no absolute. Many women like to bitch as described above. It is so common that most men truely recognize the situation.
But it doesn't mean all women are like that, or that they are like that all the time. What is important is to know how to react when they acting like that not that they should act like that when they don't.
p3n1x 5y ago
Maybe someone else is making the decisions for your women then?
ProjectImmortality 5y ago
Oh come on now don't generalise ^/s
some_zounderkite 5y ago
Not sure who "my" women are supposed to be but I can guarantee you they themselves are making their decisions.
TheRedPike 5y ago
Here we got us a snowflake in a blizzard, boys.
This is why it is vitally important to read the sidebar completely before opening your mouth. There may be sound arguments against AWALT. "doesn't mean all women are" <-- that isn't one of them. And it also tells me you didn't read the sidebar.
I'll be handing out 14 day vacations for remedial sidebar reading when I encounter this.
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abdout77 5y ago
I strongly disagree. He said LTR but any women you meet will act like this. When we go to a fast food I chose what my sister eats. When she wanted go go see a friend I chose what way she should take.
Also I once told suggested something to my ex and she disagreed with it. The same evening I asked her what she did about the situation and low and behold she did as a suggested because « it was the wisest choice »
Oh and when she will will accept submission she will start acting and talking like you. That shit is subconscious just as much as attraction is.
ÉDIT: i just watched you reddit history LMAO your a girl and go in every discussion that could go against the « women are angels » narrative why am I even losing my time ?
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TrueShadow97 5y ago
The ability to make decisions, even as small as those in the OP, is masculine, and women are hard-wired to be attracted to masculine.
some_zounderkite 5y ago
How is it a masculine trait when women are just as good as men in making decisions?
Omnidempotent 5y ago
They are not.
TrueShadow97 5y ago
Because being able to make decisions implies being able to take responsibilities for them, and women generally don't like taking responsibilities.
some_zounderkite 5y ago
I don't think there's much taking of responsibilities required for choosing which sweater to wear. Anyways "Women generally don't like taking responsibilities" Do you have proof to back that claim up?
papunigga031 5y ago
Women can make their own decisions, yes, but they will be insecure about these decisions unless they are externally validated.
Women do not trust their own intuition. This is why they are constantly on the hunt for validation/attention.
TrueShadow97 5y ago
If you can't even choose such little stuff as a sweater, you can't make bigger decisions either. I do base my claim about women not liking responsibility on empirical evidence (including, but not limited to, my parents divorcing exactly for this reason), but do you really expect mainstream media to cover any study that dares contradict the ongoing narrative about stronk and indahpendent wamen?
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mojavelover 5y ago
Absolutely. Sometimes, I get caught in that trap. It's the do these pants make me look fat game. It's an affirmation game.
'Whatever makes you feel pretty, dear' isn't always an answer, even if one doesn't give a shit about it. They are looking for direction.
Most women want direction from their men. Give a confirmation answer. 'Wear it that way.'
Excellent, Reminder.
Cheddar_Curtain 5y ago
You have to make it a game. It's a fun chance to flirt and tease her while she models for you. It certainly beats staring at the boob tube for an hour while she flips through her closet incessantly. My old LTR would pick good clothes, but also some fugly ones. If she tried on the fugly top I wouldn't hesitate to voice my displeasure. Make her dress how you want her to look.
Meanwhile I know my own style and fit and could still look good, even casually. I never once heard her voice displeasure with my clothing choices. And that was exactly how she liked it and it made her happy. If you're framing things right she wants to please YOU. Not the other way around.
DigitalDragonSlayer 5y ago
A fucking men.
I’m my last LTR, I stuck with TRP concepts, held frame and did well. Fast forward a year, I’m a little sloppy, fast forward two years, I’m making BP mistakes, fast forward three years, the relationship is over.
In the words of Jocko Willink “No Fucking Slack” acting like an Alpha 6/7 days a week is a recipe for disaster, you can get caught up and forget little things like this because these little things are noticeable by women and they aren’t going to give you the pass if behavior continues to deteriorate.
THEdirtyDotterFUCKr 5y ago
if you are
omega_dawg93 5y ago
picking and choosing shows leadership, no doubt.
but don't forget the curve ball they throw: you pick a place and while headed there, she starts blabbering about this place or that place, and/or saying, "you're not spontaneous enough, blah, blah..." etc.
it's a shit test to see if you'll agree... allowing her to throw you off-course.
pick a place and go there. if she doesn't like it, fuck it. sit there and eat and order her food as your lunch for work tmo.
CainPrice 5y ago
A woman can't decide where to go out for dinner, because she needs to be able to blame you if the food sucks and she doesn't have a good time.
On the other hand, a woman can't decide if the food is good or not and will follow your lead, so if you look like everything is great and you're having fun, she'll feel like everything's okay.
oldertybasterd 5y ago
The girls I have been with who were too anxious to choose for themselves were always quick to bitch if they didn’t like the option I chose.
xesup2 5y ago
She wants to be submissive. Tell her to say, during sex "I'm your slave". It will turn her on.
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I have a married cousin who would make one of his fuck buddies fuck certain dudes off Tinder. I don't party at his level.
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I don’t know about that one chief
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Not my game. I mean, through a strange life path, my second wife and last girlfriend were both virgins when I met them, so I pounded pristine pussy from '07 to '16. The "true mgtow" path is tempting....I had a smokeshow 20 years younger than me (last girlfriend) on my arm for almost 5 years. I have been to the top of the mountain. That said, if I'm going to embrace the SMP, I need to desensitize myself.....I already missed a chance with a hot VYW, later met her boyfriend, realized what a twerp he was, and the opportunity I missed. I set myself up to be the dude she fucks while looking for a provider, so I no longer get exclusive access to pussy. So yeah, I'm on the opposite side of "go fuck him" I really don't (wanna) care or know, it's simply not my business (just as my goings on are not hers).
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The cousin married his high school sweetheart when he was in grad school, she was finishing college. Kids. The dude's name is Phillip, he named a son Alexander, and read him Sun Tzu at bedtime when the kid was 5. His wife hit the wall HARD (unfortunately, Mexican chicks hit it harder than most) so he hopped on some friend finder shit and started fucking around. Fucked around for 5 years, got caught, pulled his wife into the lifestyle.
Some guys don't need the Red Pill. Kind of like you wouldln't want to learn to quarterback from Peyton Fucking Manning....he'll just yell at you for not doing things naturally like he does.
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Compeliminator 5y ago
as soon as you picked a sweater she would have argued with you about your choice
bombastro 5y ago
You're generalizing it pretty bad. It would only make sense for her to argue about the choice if OP showed BP behaviour lately and his LTR wanted to test him or if the choice in itself really was bad.
GirTheRobot 5y ago
It's funny to me that she came right out and said something so overtly, when women tend to be covert. I'm surprised she didn't just act all sulky/weird when you didn't make the decisions.
eyewant 5y ago
Keep dgaf. Ever hear of decision fatigue? If your decisions are important you shouldn't waste them on things so trivial.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Women prefer to be led. Accordingly, they want Leaders not losers.
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tunsku 5y ago
Isn't this more like field report?