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2PissUOff 5y ago
Okay, I'll bite. What are those exactly?
I have a feeling you're going to give me some blue-pilled pc garbage while decrying blue pills...
yairof 5y ago
That's the amazing thing about the red pill as well. Since we are all unique in our own way, you could also say there is more than one red pill. However there is one thing that defines if something is blue pilled and red pilled. I find this to be a fascinating concept. Essentially they are both rooted in the same tree so to speak.
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The simple fact is that red pill embodies a universal truth that most refuse to see. It is a painful realization of what the nature of our reality is. It is what we perceive to be truth incarnate. It respects no faith or person. It is what it is. It is a hidden law in nature that is invisible to most. The trigger to this realization is found in pain. Swallowing this pill is to kill the person you use to be before this realization. Very few individuals grow up in life with this type of sense in life. Most of us if not all of us start life consuming these blue pills.
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Now this is where the blue pill shares in common with the red pill. It masks itself as a universal truth that the masses adopt. It becomes a household commodity mass produced and regurgitated Ad nauseam. But within this mass produced pill is a toxin that kills the critical thinking of a person. It numbs the brain. It provides that order they need to feel good. Its an illusion. A fantasy. A beautiful lie.
bjcm5891 5y ago
My takeaway from this is: don't overcompensate.
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Understanding that third-wave feminism is bullshit and that white-knighting is a shameful way for a man to live doesn't mean that you have to start talking, thinking or acting like a black-pilled MGTOW.
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Balance is key.
xesup2 5y ago
The problem with those dudes is that they still think that the blue pill is desirable.
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They are resented at women because they still think that women are evil for cheating/rebelling against the blue pill.
xesup2 5y ago
The red pill is just seeing the reality as it is. It works for the same reason science works. Science assumes that reality tells you what is true, either you like it or not, either you find it convenient or inconvenient.
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There are many ways of inventing lies and distorting reality.
FieldLine 5y ago
A mistake a lot of newbs make is thinking this is a green light to act however they want and say whatever they want.
Don't make that mistake. Note the emphasis:
What works is objective.
You are entitled to decide that you like gook toons so much that you don't care if people judge you for wearing your favorite anime tee in public; the tricky bit is that discovering you can do something often doesn't offer any information about whether you should do it.
Behave in a way that nets you the results you want.
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FereallyRed 5y ago
Immediately thought of simulacrum.
From the wiki...
Simulacra have long been of interest to philosophers. In his Sophist, Plato speaks of two kinds of image making. The first is a faithful reproduction, attempted to copy precisely the original. The second is intentionally distorted in order to make the copy appear correct to viewers. He gives the example of Greek statuary, which was crafted larger on the top than on the bottom so that viewers on the ground would see it correctly. If they could view it in scale, they would realize it was malformed. This example from the visual arts serves as a metaphor for the philosophical arts and the tendency of some philosophers to distort truth so that it appears accurate unless viewed from the proper angle. Nietzsche addresses the concept of simulacrum (but does not use the term) in the Twilight of the Idols, suggesting that most philosophers, by ignoring the reliable input of their senses and resorting to the constructs of language and reason, arrive at a distorted copy of reality.
Postmodernist French social theorist Jean Baudrillard argues that a simulacrum is not a copy of the real, but becomes truth in its own right: the hyperreal. Where Plato saw two types of representation—faithful and intentionally distorted (simulacrum)—Baudrillard sees four: (1) basic reflection of reality; (2) perversion of reality; (3) pretence of reality (where there is no model); and (4) simulacrum, which "bears no relation to any reality whatsoever". In Baudrillard's concept, like Nietzsche's, simulacra are perceived as negative, but another modern philosopher who addressed the topic, Gilles Deleuze, takes a different view, seeing simulacra as the avenue by which an accepted ideal or "privileged position" could be "challenged and overturned". Deleuze defines simulacra as "those systems in which different relates to different by means of difference itself. What is essential is that we find in these systems no prior identity, no internal resemblance".
p3n1x 5y ago
My brain spun off into "body language" from the art example. It explains why 'dominate' postures are so powerful to the subconscious mind and alter the chemistry of the 'viewer'.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Very important observation. Nice. 'Keep doing what you're doing, and always get what you've always gotten'. I think a mark of strength is the man who can admit what he's doing isn't working. I see a lot of guys who want to defend their ways, and expect the results they want. More often than not, we're causing our own problems.
bruiser18 5y ago
Good answer.
A mistake many noobs make, including myself at one point, is they follow TRP guidelines religiously.
Experiment, do what gets you results. Behave in the way that works best for you and your situation.
daveed1297 5y ago
That's kind of a contradiction in terms though. There's no single way to follow TRP guidelines because if your reading is done correctly you'll step away with a variety of mindsets and views of the world, and hopefully set some goals for yourself. A person must define their own objectives, if they aren't they're in someone else's frame.
I agree that some people follow other INDIVIDUALS interpretations of TRP principles and other specific goals that they did not set far too frequently.
bruiser18 5y ago
You just agreed with what I said?
daveed1297 5y ago
"they just follow TRP guidelines religiously". What I'm saying is that they should because by definition TRP applies differently to each person.
redblueninja 5y ago
Hey man, I suggest a reading mode in trp.red so we can read articles in public without normies getting a peek at the site name.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Good idea. Will report back.
redpillcad 5y ago
The hardest redpill for me to swallow was that nobody loves a man unconditionally like mommy and daddy did.
Attention PurplePillers who think they can lift and adopt a bit of alpha attitude and be a family alpha or whatver bullshit you tell yourselves:
You cant. It's not possible to achieve Blue Pill Dreams with a Red Pill mentality
Your wife and kids need you. Meeting their needs consistently and competently doesn't buy you love, it buys you respect and admiration which isn't permanent. There is a burden of performance for this to continue.
So why do it? Good question. If it's to get something back then you will be in for a surprise. Nothing coming
I do it the way a magnanimous king treats his subjects with care. Because I want to. I dont need to.
Paradoxically this attitude will put a man in his God given place as head of the household. You can tell women and children what to do for their own good because they need you to do it.
Once upon a time, this was seen as how a man loves his family.
Not by paying all the bills and doing all the chores and obediently heeling to BossMom
xesup2 5y ago
There is no "God given place". Religion is 100% blue pill.
p3n1x 5y ago
Irrelevant to this discussion, you could have easily let that go by to understand the point being made.
xesup2 5y ago
Irrelevant to this discussion, you could have easily let that go by to understand the point being made.
p3n1x 5y ago
I would, but you didn't have one.
redpillcad 5y ago
Call it whatever you want. Men are leaders by their birthright
Trenned_out 5y ago
Yep spot on. What makes me laugh is when purple pills argue against this with righteous indignation, "no she loves me bro!" "I picked a good one!" "I'm alpha enough It wont' happen to me!" and what they don't realize is they aren't even arguing against what your point is. Those things may all be true, you may have selected a top tier woman, you may have your relationship set up in a way where you are alpha (as alpha as one can be in a relationship) and maybe it won't happen to you... However, The whole point is it COULD and the only reason it doesn't is because you are meeting your burden of performance as a man.
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redpillcad 5y ago
Women work tirelessly to wear down whatever Alpha they can so if one thinks he found a unicorn and /or he is loved for being special he will find himself discarded soon enough.
Nothing personal. Just women being women
AAThrowaway5 5y ago
Yeah......
Nobody even likes a man unconditionally. The majority of my friends are there because I can add value and if I were to become a burden I'd be gone. Add in that women are this way and friendship is transactional. I've got two "brothers" going way back and got way too many wars and parties together that we're on a different level. We don't talk much. Still it's not like I am or expect to create any more relationships like that in my 30S.
p3n1x 5y ago
You use that experience and wisdom to earn respect with future male interactions. Never say never either. I met a like minded person at 31, I'm now 45 and he is in my inner circle.
When your actions "that nets you the results you want", people will gravitate to you in a different way. You don't have to share childish games to build strong bonds.
AAThrowaway5 5y ago
Yeah, I've experienced some personal success and every now and then get an orbiter to "gravitate" towards me in regards with what I do in work...
That, unless it comes in a feminine form creeps me out. Or maybe I want the person is worth training. And as far as the "childish games" you are referring to, I am referencing high school and college level athletics, sharing great friends and experiences... you can politely see yourself to the door with your "childish games" reference. I won't undermine those parts of my life with such an inappropriate label.
p3n1x 5y ago
High school / College "parties" (your words) was cool back then, but childish in comparison as you mature into a man. Don't try to persuade an older person and act like you weren't foolish children with the partying and jumping around aimlessly. Toughen your skin up if you find truth "belittling", give it whatever label makes you more secure. You made good bonds then, so don't overlook good opportunities in the future based on how it was done when being a "young pup".
We all "partied".
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redpillcad 5y ago
Nobody even likes a man unconditionally
Correct. Women like how men make them feel. Men like what other men can do for them
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
You write an article about many bluepills but simultaneously fall into another one - thinking our ancestors were ignoramusus because Science!. Let me tell you that our ancesotrs calculated the diameeter of the earth to 6 decimal places using SHADOWS a feat that we could not repeat until the 1960s with lasers. You think mythology doesnt serve a purpose and is not important for a man? You're wrong - mythology that a culuture believes in defines it and its men.
What is the American mythology? Its mostly about how great it is to work and make money - that is the highest value.
What was the mythology of the Ancient Greeks? Strive against yourself to have arete (excellence) like your ancestors Herakles and Achilles. Strive for heroism. Strive to succeed even in the face of defeat.
Which mythilogical tradition will develop better men? The ancient one of course.
So stop with the bluepill that the ancients were ignormausis, we are the ignorant ones even with our Science!
FieldLine 5y ago
That someone accomplished a feat in an obtuse way doesn't make them better, smarter, or more talented.
I'm not impressed by someone drawing the Eiffel Tower on an Etch-A-Sketch, nor do I care to watch the special olympics.
Why?
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
It's not an obtuse way though. They didn't have any other options (like lasers 2000 years ago) and so a guy came up with a clever solution to a problem that most modern people would not be able to come up with put in the same position. That is impressive, imo.
Because boys need a hero. They all look up to someone. If boys have the likes of Hector, Odysseus and Achilles to look up to as they grow, they will strive to emulate them and perform deeds of heroism and strength and intellect.
Compare to the American tradition - boys have no one to look up to and so end up emulating their mothers/sisters/tv personalities and we end up needing sites like TRP.
FieldLine 5y ago
Right. Impressive, kind of like a someone with cerebral palsy deadlifting 200 pounds is impressive.
But would you say that Maxwell wasn't as good a mathematician as Archimedes, despite working out the most mathematically complete physical theory to date, because Maxwell had the advantage of Newton's methods of calculus? Would you say that Hafthor Bjornsson is less athletic than the guy in that video, despite lifting more weight than any other man in the world, because he has the advantage of being 6'9 and not having cerebral palsy?
You are making the same appeal to emotion that liberals make about artificially boosting the "underprivileged" -- "well he is {race/sex/mental illness}, so any sort of accomplishment is ten times more valuable than what a healthy, functional, white male accomplished."
The problem with that line of thought is that value can be measured. As an example, how many dollars people are willing to give towards a cause is an objective measure of how much they care about it.
Framed this way it becomes apparent that no one actually cares how far you get despite being disadvantaged. All the virtue signaling you see on social media is bullshit -- watch what people do, not what they say.
Continuing with the "money indicates value" model, it is clear where people's true priorities lie (or don't) when they are in favor of giving away free stuff for a good cause unless they're the ones who actually have to give it.
You say
What makes you so sure that "modern people" would not be able to come up with those clever solutions? Today's engineers do that precise thing, with even harder (== more complex) problems. They don't use mind-bending hacks like the ancients did, to solve the same problems, because it isn't necessary. Their brainpower is better spent working on the mind-bending hacks required for more modern problems.
You don't get to toss out objective metrics and call someone "smarter" or "more talented" because you've arbitrarily decided that they had a harder time getting to the same point. (Talent is overrated anyway.)
Everyone works hard. Everyone has problems. The only thing that matters is the value at the bottom line.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Sure that's impressive, nobody claimed it wasn't. But that's irrelevant to the achievement of Eratosthenes.
Define "good"? Maxwell came up with a solution to a problem with the tools he had at hand. So did Archimedes. Or Eratosthenes.
What does it mean to be 'less athletic' or 'more athletic'? How do we measure athleticism?
Why engage in such binary thinking of 'good'/'bad'? It is very basic thinking.
It is certainly impressive for Bjornsson to deadlift 1000lbs (or whatever he lifted), but ignoring the advantages he has is incorrect. What's more impressive, a guy that is 5'2 deadlifting same amount as Bjnornsson or a 6'9 giant?
What is more impressive - a guy who develops a theory of electromagnetism having advanced mathematics at his disposal or a guy who calculates the circumference of the earth, having very basic math at his disposal (addition, subtraction, theory of right triangles and multiplication)?
Nobody is downgrading the achievement of one man vs another - an achievement (with all else the same) has always been far more impressive when a man had to overcome some disadvantage and then achieve his success. This is the story of the underdog. It is like the fight between Achilles and Hector (in the Illiad), as Achilles is the son of a god and essentially immortal while Hector is a mortal man who fights Achilles to a standstill.
Never made that claim. Show me where I said it. All I said was that is that a man overcoming a disadvantage to succeed is impressive (perhaps more so) than a man who does the same thing without overcoming. It's a story as old as time.
The difference between what I am saying and liberals say, is that I do not 'artificially boost the underpriveleged'. I never said those with some disadvantage should be given anything. All I said was that a man at a disadvantage overcoming it himself is impressive. This is the very antithesis of liberal ideology.
Right because nobody attends seminars run by a guy without arms or legs and help him make millions? (Forget his name, but he has a hot wife and made millions talking about how he overcame his disability).
Like it or not, people find the story of the underdog appealing - how else do you think Hollywood made millions on movies like Rocky or on superhero movies like Spiderman? How do you think writers like Jack London or Ayn Rand made millions selling books like Martin Eden or The Fountainhead? Hell, how do you think the Communists in Russia came to power in 1918? Because its stories about average guys or those at a disadvantage becoming heroes or achieving greatness speak to people.
Assuming we use your model of 'how many dollars people are willing to give' - judging by the success of superhero movies like spiderman, books like Martin Eden or The Fountainhead or even the success of the Communist Party in Russia - that promised greatness to peasants - then we can say with confidence people care how one recovered from disadvantage to succeed.
Nobody cares about those who started with a disadvantage and fail to overcome - but those success is always impressive.
Because they weren't able to confirm Eratosthenes calculations until the advent of the laser.
But assuming modern people repeat Eratosthenes feat - it is impressive but less so than that of the Ancients. Why? Because modern people have more knowledge of physics and mathematics and will inadvertently use that knowledge to help them. Moreover, being the first to come up with a concept or a solution has always been valued (hence copyright). That is why the discoveries of calculus by Newton, or electromagnetism by Maxwell or General Relativity by Einstein or the wave/particle duality by Schrodinger is impressive.
brabg 5y ago
This is totally off topic, but "our ancestors calculated the diameter of the earth
to 6 decimalplaces usingSHADOWSSCIENCEThe first laser was built in 1960. We knew the diameter of the earth with enough precision in 1793, when it was used to define the meter.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
You are conflating Science! with Science. One is a religion the other is a method of knowledge. Feel the difference?
My bad, I said diameter, I meant circumference. Regardless, humans could only confirm his calculation to be accurate after the invention of the laser in the 1960's.
https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200606/history.cfm
NextBad 5y ago
I agree with you, not quite some why every current civilizations thinks they are intellectually superior , given the fact that most people would die living in the conditions our ancestors did
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RightHandWolf 5y ago
Another bases loaded grand slam, Whisper. The pill and the sidebar are a map, with guideposts to help steer you on your journey. Everyone's mileage will vary, so everyone is bound to have a few different forks in the road.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating: by definition, if it works for you, then it works. You don't have to dress for a GQ cover shoot in order to get noticed for having some style. You don't have to block out the sun every time you flex, and you don't have to have 100 trillion dollars in the checking account. Reinforce the strengths you already have, and do your damnedest to shore up your weaknesses.
Taking the pill isn't going to guarantee you a 100% success rate in the field. Even MLB sluggers with awesome batting averages strike out more often than not, so forget the idea of being perfect. What the pill does do is give you the tools to stack the deck in your favor, and your own sensibilities, experiences and intuition will come into play as you develop your game, your frame, and the mindset of success.
One of the 12 steps of the recovery process talks about the idea of pursuing progress, rather than claiming perfection. Perfection is unattainable and impossible to measure, but progress can tracked and measured. Commit to a path of making progress, and a year from now you will be amazed at how far you have come. Follow your own course . . . Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Great reply. Progress, not perfection. I'm in recovery, and it took a while to understand that it's finding 'what works' for me. Following a guide written by someone else, perfectly to a T, is merely trying to force a solution that work for somebody else.
Open-mindedness, and beginners mind. Always willing to at least take a look at a different 'solution'. I also can't learn someone else's solutions for them, or expect them to learn mine. That's a huge degree of self-importance and selfishness.
p3n1x 5y ago
Something that should really be looked at more here. There isn't much about "PERSONAL selfish behavior and identifying it". Its all about identifying it on the female side. Overcome the "hysterical selfish" acts and one will overcome so many issues.
ie, needs or requests of others from a position of weakness.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Can you elaborate? What forms of selfish personal behaviour?
'Overcome the "hysterical selfish" acts and one will overcome so many issues.' I'm interested to see what you mean, exactly.
Do you man requesting something when WE are in the position of weakness? Can that not mean simply asking for help when needed?
FereallyRed 5y ago
The idea of "Kaizen"
Continuous small improvements.
Mods, please point u/INNASKILLZ2K18. Good solid work in askTRP, good insights and outlook .
Halitenina 5y ago
With pleasure.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Aaawww, look at that. A big dominating millionaire vouched for me. I thought that'd only happen in prison. Lol, thanks brother.
A shit ton of this red pill stuff is starting to 'come together', in my own way and starting to gel with a lot of previous stuff I've learned through rehab and that.
Your acknowledgement of 'letting go of what you can't control', 'outcome independence' and such helped spark a few things.
I'll try my hand on the main sub within the next few days. Might crash and burn, but zero fucks given.
Appreciate it.
FereallyRed 5y ago
Just don't drop the soap in shower 3.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Now you tell me!!?? No wonder I blacked out, and it now hurts to sit down.
Onein1024th 5y ago
There's a sea of competing false gods out there to commit yourself to
leotard-princess 5y ago
I know. I took six last week. Vomited heavily. Hallucinated. Don't know what the fuck they were but they sure weren't MDMA.