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Pokeylaw 5y ago
Reading the comments here frustrates me tono end I understand the 80/20 rule but as more and more research comes out it's like trying to win a race that keeps moving the finishing line I know I shouldn't think of it that way bc your always trying to improve yourself but goddamn. Literally the only thing I can do is keep moving forward
RightHandWolf 5y ago
The only thing I can do is keep moving forward.
That's the Cliff's Notes summary of the Red Pill, right there. Keep moving forward, keep pushing, and when you reach this or that goal, ramp it up. This applies to everything, whether it's playing guitar, writing code or fitness achievements. If you don't keep moving forward, you're going to fall way behind. A little faith in yourself is all you need, grasshopper. Hang in there!
CalfsOnDeck 5y ago
It's never been easier to get ahead fellas, no excuses.
chubz4you 5y ago
This should be at the top. Quit being a loser and making the excuse that most people are in that boat.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Yep. Half your competition isn’t even in the game because they’d rather jerk off and play vidya every night.
If you lift 3x a week and diet well you will be too 20% assuming no other crater shortcomings (shorter than 5’8, unemployed, physical disformity)
A guys face really doesn’t mean much if he’s jacked. 95% of men could become top 20% if they wanted. Almost none of them put in any work
blacklightsleaze 5y ago
I doesn't work like that. Your math is complete non sense. The bottom 80% can compete to enter top 20%. And when someone enter top 20% means that he will replace someone else.
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FedoraTipper15 5y ago
30% of US males are shorter than 5'8, though. So 95% of guys couldn't do it
clausternn 5y ago
Yah, after a year maybe. Even with a good diet and routine and everything, lifting is slow as fuck. Almost makes me wanna pin test.
bitchpleasebp 5y ago
Yep have acne scars on my face and bitches still dtf
Captaincanada6969 5y ago
How bad are yours? Mine are some of the worst Ive seen but honestly hearing someone able to get laid despite them is pretty motivating
bitchpleasebp 5y ago
They’re pretty deep man and I still get the occasional pimple. I’m still not extremely confident about them, but shit it is what it is. And since I like fucking bishes, it’s important to me what they think about my appearance. I remember meeting a chick at the club which was dark and I remember walking out and just really quickly considering what she’d think about the scars and when she saw my face in the light she was like omg I didn’t realize how cute and handsome you are and then she sucked my cock. But anyways it depends on the girl and if she finds you attractive. Dm a pic of your scars and I’ll do the same
novalentineforyou 5y ago
Look into rejuvapen treatment. It can help your acne scars look better.
Stutterer2101 5y ago
These results kinda confirm what I've been witnessing for the past years. It's barely 80/20 at this point and more like 90/10. There's a small group of dudes absolutely slaying out there lmao.
Fuckovski 5y ago
Hahahaha indeed i do. Damn last mont i fucked 10 new girls and didn’t even try. Life is good.
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I've had 85-90% of my women between the ages of 25-30. Graduated medical school at 25, learned PUA organically 1 year later. Testosterone levels slowly drop of after 30, also building businesses/equanimity in life becomes a higher priority than remembering what girl #4 said last week. Getting laid becomes 'just whatever' once you realize how routine it really is.
JJ3314 5y ago
Also you have more to lose now: it's all fine to be crazy about women when you are 20, your hormones are going out of control, and you have nothing to lose. Once you've started to build a financial empire, and have a life so to speak, you want your women high quality and drama free. But sifting through the available pool of women takes time to actually find such a person, and even if you do so, you have to still consider the wisdom of marriage with the current family court climate in many Western countries.
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Mangasbzo7 5y ago
One thing I've noticed having a lot of sex with different women, is as man you really do not want to get sucked into the world of women.
By that I mean women's lives revolve around relationships, gossip and drama. The more women you are fucking, inevitably the more your life revolves around that shit too. Eventually you realize 80% of the girls you fuck are not worth the headache that comes with them.
Now my strategy is I just have one main girl who is dependable, and an also dependable side bitch when I want some variety from time to time. That really is more than enough women!
BrownGummyBear 5y ago
I may get downvoted to oblivion but I personally don’t want to increase my N count by THAT MUCH (30-50) it kinda grosses me out to think the amount of thots I’d have to stick my dick into to get those numbers
The best laid I had was a very dependable fuck buddy. Having a couple of fuck buddies is more than enough for me. Also, most of my one night stands have been meh whereas my fuck buddy really knew how to please me.
Edit: spelling
Cheddar_Curtain 5y ago
I see exactly where you're coming from and practice similar things. Good luck trying to date and bang any more than two at once. 'Spinning plates'. A person can only spin so many plates before they all crash on the floor.
When you have too many at once it becomes a full time job. Who am I with on Thursday again? Which one is around this weekend? Then at some point the first one is in your bed but the second one wants you to hang out that night and the third one is wondering why you're ghosting.
I've been there and while it provides the right mentality to attract women eventually something blows up because women don't want players they want commitment. Juggling can be rewarding but it is a LOT of work.
Source: Me, over a decade in the trenches of modern dating. Women are a headache, how many do you want at once?
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Yh I have been there and I agree with you 1000%
I realized I was spending pretty much all my free time juggling various women, and spending no time anymore on what attracted them in the first place - me being the best version of me I could be & conquering new heights
There is widespread view on here that having multiple women is always preferable to just one - I've learnt not necessarily. As long as you don't delude yourself and believe the girl is irreplaceable, having 1 girl that knows her position and plays it well is better than having 3 or 4 girls say that you always have to coach & manage
Cheddar_Curtain 5y ago
Exactly. What good does fucking four crazy women add to your life other than having empty balls? To me it's just not worth the hassle. You have to end up pretending what you did the three previous days never happened and good luck never slipping up on that.
I've caught myself talking about something that was with a different woman thinking it was with them. Getting caught in that trap will fucking bury you if she catches on to what you're talking about.
"Show on Tuesday? What show on Tuesday? (pause) You said you were hanging out with Dave helping him fix his brakes on Tuesday...... Are you fucking another woman!?"
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Ahahaha have been there & bought the t- shirt buddy!!
If only could get beer with you and share stories!
Cheddar_Curtain 5y ago
Cheers bro. Keep them hoes in check!
Almost_Whole 5y ago
More and more men are realizing that chasing women is futile, high risk low reward.
JJ3314 5y ago
Yeah I think people are unilaterally focusing on the fact that this new study shows the number of sexless men are increasing. It shows, however, that the number of sexless women is also increasing, but at a significantly lower percentage. This suggests to me that there is more than one variable at work here, and not simply "80% of men are unattractive to women." My suspicion is that there is a male voluntary withdrawal element to these numbers, even if it's not necessarily the primary factor in these numbers.
xxxtraicion 5y ago
I'd say that resignation to this supposed futility, whether real or not, is the ultimate kicker that knocks men out of the SMP for life. All it takes is 1-2 years of not lifting or grooming and most men will end up with damage that takes a long time to reverse (no chance for muscles with low bf, hairline receded far back, skin quality declined, and most importantly, the loss of mental fortitude for keeping high SMV).
the-dan-man 5y ago
Exactly, and it is also the energy and money required too. Hell, the older i get and the more i try to get my shit together, the less time, energy, patience and money i have to spend on women. These women are shallow, vapid whores and they are all the fucking same. I probably sound bitter, and in a way i am a bit, but the truth is that it is becoming less and less worthwhile chasing and jumping through the hoops for these women. And we are all slowly starting to realise this, at least the intelligent men are anyway. Things felt different a few years ago, but it could just be me.
Shankar_ 5y ago
I feel you there mate. Every year it's just getting more and more apparent.
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PS2Errol 5y ago
Also, the number of women worth chasing gets smaller and smaller. Exclude all those over 35, all those who are fat (50% of American women are obese), all those who are ugly etc etc and what are you left with?
A tiny pool of women to chase. Not worth it for most.
clausternn 5y ago
You picked a really weird percentage lol. 1/3 of
americanswomen are obese and another 1/3 ofamericanswomen are overweight. So I guess you're saying women who are very overweight but not clinically obese aren't worth dating, but women who are moderately overweight but not too much are still acceptable.PS2Errol 5y ago
So 2/3rds are completely out of the reckoning. That leaves 1/3. Of those how many are under 35, attractive etc?
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BloodSurgery 5y ago
Fucking a lot =/= evolution, if you aren't making actual children.
tunsku 5y ago
I mean, it's not wrong. Humans have become too intelligent for our own good. In the coming century we will get to see the smartest human races slowly go extinct as the dumber ones who don't think about "global warming" and "opression" and "career", and have children prevail.
the-dan-man 5y ago
Yep, pretty much like the film idiocracy. The lower classes and lower IQ folk have way more sex, while higher IQ and richer classes focus on work and their career, and therefore neglect sex as a result.
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AntiSharp 5y ago
Evolution isn’t happening in the span of less than two life times
tunsku 5y ago
I said nothing about evolution
AntiSharp 5y ago
Wrong term but still not long enough for any change
tunsku 5y ago
Yeah, no change is gonna happen, but demographics are gonna change. High IQ populations like Europeans and East Asians are declining, while low IQ peoples like Africans are growing.
AntiSharp 5y ago
Africa’s is increasing because of environmental changes, not genetics. Idk about the others
Zechbruder 5y ago
Meh, I have moderate success personally, but I agree that most women now have unreasonably high standards in their teens and twenties that taper off in their thirties once they realize that looks fade and being a bummy Tinder fuck will see you die alone.
RightHandWolf 5y ago
Interesting stats, but since they are "self-reported," how reliable are they? I suspect the true numbers for males not getting any are even higher, while the 18% figure for the females is probably lower, since women always understate their levels of sexual activity.
The numbers for living at the parents house have a built-in gender bias as well. Guys tend to go it alone. If they crash and burn, they can move back home, at least for a bit. There are quite a few places where the cost of housing and utilities alone are high enough to make roommates a requirement, but women have more options. They will have female roommates, or they can do the serial monogamy strategy. I imagine some of the more ruthless females are spinning plates themselves. Not for sex, since they seldom have that hurdle to jump. They trade sex to stay the night or the weekend and the guy probably thinks things are getting serious, but he's just one of several options she has. Some women have their own harems as well as the alpha males do.
max_peenor 5y ago
Who cares? Reddit is having an existential crisis over this article. Some of the other subs have been hilarious. That alone makes it worth it.
organicfluxx 5y ago
Which subs have been having a meltdown?
max_peenor 5y ago
Sorry, I wish I kept more links, but I didn't. However I had a browser window still open with this one. https://archive.fo/ZL8cG. (The archive service is missing a lot of the comments).
[deleted] 5y ago
I've seen this first hand. Had an old fling message me out of the blue, try to blow me, then crash at my otherwise $50/night (airBnB) free for a weekend.
Later found out my place next to the hospital was chosen because her grandmother was getting Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID). Like fucks sake we broke up on good terms, I'm happy to let a girl I broke up with on great terms with crash for a family member getting MAID.
Later checked my instagram and found out she's still dating the same guy who lives 7 hours away. Why literally whore yourself when a simple "can I crash at your condo while my grandmother gets MAID" would have worked.
Like bitch you know I have a spinal cord injury and my junk hasn't worked since 2015
JayRock379 5y ago
Why are you on this subreddit if your junk doesn't work?
[deleted] 5y ago
Because I was bluepilled prior to being rear ended, sent into the path of a semi truck, and spending 8 months in rehab learning to walk again.
My ex was cheating on me as soon as I wasn't her meal ticket. No one was on my side while I was wondering why she was fucking some other dude while I was in ICU after everything I did for her. I get my MD in 2 months now, and she's still with the guy I know only as the guy my friend bought his coke from in 2013.
I can appreciate the insights even if I can't put them into practice.
Edit: ex who crashed in my condo was the first girl I dated after the accident
JayRock379 5y ago
Will you ever be able to get your junk fixed?
[deleted] 5y ago
Unlikely, sacral spinal issues aren't known for spontaneous recovery. It sorta works but between that and the pins holding my pelvis together I'm more or less impotent
At least I got back bowel and bladder control for the most part though
JayRock379 5y ago
My sympathies man. Hang in there, sound like you're extremely lucky to be alive.
ThisWickedMinistry 5y ago
Because some people think there is more to life than sex?
JayRock379 5y ago
On a subreddit about having more sex?
[deleted] 5y ago
The mindset is useful, people talk about "monk mode" but it actually has really helped me find -"meaning" is the wrong word but I'll go with it- after the accident.
I've had sex a few times each year but really with my nerve damage it's not worth the hassle. Dealt with one crazy gold digger a year back that assumed a medical student on 2 year medical leave would have doctor money.
Still hoping I can find a girl who wants kids who's decent stock, but it doesn't consume me
ThisWickedMinistry 5y ago
If you think the sidebar description of TRP doesn't stretch beyond boosting numbers, my dude you should probably read more of the sidebar. If that's all you want, the PUA community is that way ----->
JayRock379 5y ago
Just curious. What is it that you get out of the red pill?
ThisWickedMinistry 5y ago
The second half of the sidebar description:
Every thread that talks about increasing SMV does so in the context of self-improvement and self-actualisation. Setting goals, working on yourself, developing your career and realising your potential. For me, that is an end unto itself, not just a means to pull women. Women are not the goal, or even close to a priority. Making significant contributions to society through my work is.
I'm working to develop a positive identity for myself in a world that doesn't care. We're men, we're disposable. Women don't care about us, and nor should they. So why on earth would you care about them?
NPC72521 5y ago
The figures are almost certainly worse than reported. Not many people want to admit they are not getting any.
0io- 5y ago
The "high scorer" category starts at once per week in this study, too. Once a week is not all that great unless you're a sailor at sea or a parish priest. It would be interesting to see what the numbers look like for the sexually successful people.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
I am fucking 4 girls atm. My personal best was back in November when I fucked 4 different girls in one week - and not the same 4 girls I am fucking now
The 80/20 rule is very much fact.
NPC72521 5y ago
Don’t flex. Once a week is pretty good unless you have some sort of sex addiction or constant need for reinforcement.
0io- 5y ago
If you're doing one night stands, once a week is great. If you have a regular girlfriend or plates, not so great.
NPC72521 5y ago
Maybe so. I think it’s too costly in terms of time.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Take it from someone who has sex with multiple women every week - once a week is good enough, and twice a week is the most you will want.
Beyond twice a week the utility of sex diminishes very rapidly. I fuck more than twice a week, and all different women, but srsly good sex once a week is more than enough
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Maybe I am a horny bastard, but at one point I was getting sex at least 4x week from a single plate, and also had 2 other girls on the side. some days i'd go twice in a day, with two different women. Never got enough.
0io- 5y ago
To me that sounds like low libido, but I guess everyone is different? How are you having sex with multiple women each week but only once a week? You bring 6 of them over on Tuesday night or something?
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
That's not what I said
I am fucking 3 girls regularly atm, like once a week each.
But to be honest, just sex once a week + maybe a BJ on another day of the week, would be more than enough
The other problem with having sex too regularly is that it stops exciting you. Sure, I get hard, but I really struggle to remember the last time I was genuinely mentally aroused & anticipating sex. It's become so routine
0io- 5y ago
Once a week each with 3 girls sounds a lot better than only having sex once a week. I can see how that would be enough, but I wonder about what kind of girl only wants sex once a week who isn't married for 20 years...
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Girls don't actually need to fuck that much tbh. Generally speaking they only really feel the urge to fuck once a month when they're ovulating
At first I was surprised the first time a girl told me she hadn't had sex in like 5 months, but now I've seen that sort of thing can actually be quite common
miamiedge 5y ago
The unemployment rate is artificially low because it doesn't include people who have given up and are not looking. This rate DOES include people who have given up. And those people are skyrocketing in numbers. That's why incels is becoming bigger and bigger.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
Only some of them.
Some are getting much more.
80/20 rule is already bad..but thanks to online dating, it's possible at some stage it's going to be 90/10......
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
Why do people assume the two numbers have to add up to 100?
“80 percent of a result is due to 20 percent of the inputs.” There’s nothing about that which precludes numbers which don’t add to 100. “90 percent of a result is due to 20 percent of the inputs”
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
I think you have made an assumption.
It's correct that they don't have to add up; but (a) It's also correct that they can and (b) The numbers on the left have been constantly increasing while the numbers on the right have been constantly increasing, so it's not too unreasonable to pick a ballpark ratio of 90/10. It could certainly be 90/5 or 90/12 who knows....
So you assumed I assumed the two numbers had to add to 100 but in fact I didn't.
Enlightened_Chimp 5y ago
It's at least 90/10 if you're referring to attractive girls. If you're referring to less attractive girls then ya, maybe more like 80/20.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
There was an academic study posted on here a few months back where they found the number was actually more like 60/20 in reality.
And then when you extrapolate that to the broader population it basically meant the bottom 50% of men were getting no pussy whatsoever. This article showing how 30% of men age 30 & under have never had sex just confirms that
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
You know, you're probably right. I think you're the first person I've seen mention this.
needless_pickup_line 5y ago
Similarly, I've seen some people say that 80/20 is applicable twice. That is, within the top 80% girls and 20% guys, the top 64% of girls are hooking up with the top 4% of guys.
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El_MachineL 5y ago
Due to high SMV males spinning plates.
therapistGetsSocial 5y ago
"American men under 30 are getting less sex" is the new "top alpha males are just 20%"
NPC72521 5y ago
In their late 30s and early 40s
Cha_Cha_cho 5y ago
Also likely due to the fear of getting falsely accused ?
stoicbotanist 5y ago
That fear should only come from an encounter with a particular female. Being afraid of a false accusation throughout your entire dating experience is a cop out, or an excuse, as the other reply to your comment said.
Hjalmbere 5y ago
Think it’s a bit exaggerated. High risk target groups for false accusations would be celebrities, corporate big-wigs, and college students. If you belong to the two first groups, too bad. If you’re a student, don’t date on campus.
If you’re Joe Blow just check for red flags and you’ll be ok.
MercyYouMercyMe 5y ago
I keep hearing this and I think it's an excuse. Do you think alphas give a fuck? Betas simply can't compete. They can't get sex, so they've checked out, not the other way around, I think it's an important distinction.
WalterEArmstrong 5y ago
Betas are a more timid bunch by nature and the threat of being falsely accused is bound to affect them more than it does alphas.
Cha_Cha_cho 5y ago
I’d be more careful if I was in the US, I don’t have crazy bitches in my country thankfully
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SquaatsForDays 5y ago
It’s also due to the increasing issue with social media feeding women an inflated sense of self worth and beauty level. Those 40 AFCs sending messages on tinder everyday only make a 6 think she’s an 8 so she denies everything that isn’t a 9 or 10
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
This was actually confirmed by tinder (I think) 80% of women rated themselves in the top 20% of women for looks.
So of course they are all competing for the top %20 of men (Also confirmed.)
tunsku 5y ago
Yep, on internet dating, the 80/20 is ruthless.
bemore_ 5y ago
Online is 100% hypergamy, nature in motion. Hypergamy would've been impossible to picture in practice 60 years ago. If you're in your 20's, your parents wouldn't understand it in practice, our experience.
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The landscape is weird. In theory online dating should've made cold approach impractical, not too long ago it simply had a low roi and many questioned its efficiency. Counter intuitively it is slower in practice but goes as fast as online dating. When I was 16 I went out one night and got 33 numbers. I'd assume only the best of tinder can pull this off on their smartphone. In theory, by today's standard I would be a top contender in the market place yet I'm just a normal guy. Online has always been artificial, however due to the nature of women it's as if there are two different realities, and a lot of guys are stuck and focused on an artificial reality
clausternn 5y ago
Source? I've never heard of this and I'm pretty well-informed about random dating app studies.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
This was all over the web about 2 months ago.
I think it was tinder (or okcupid) that released a multi year study involving hundreds of thousands of people that showed not only are 80% of women competing for the top 20% of men, when asked 80% of women rated themselves as being in the top 20% for attractiveness...which explains why they were all competing for the top 20% of men.
Don't have a link for you sorry but it's on reddit somewhere if you search...
clausternn 5y ago
Interesting. I've read the first part several times (competing for top 20% of men) but never seen the second part attached to it (rating themselves as top 20%).
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
If you see the actual study, rather than just comments on the study, that is definitely there...
Ok I think it was okcupid's study (not tinder) but it seems the original has been removed from their blog (possibly because it was too controversial....)
VivekPC 5y ago
Not just American men, tbh. This shit is happening everywhere.
RichKingOfBangmar 5y ago
Everywhere women are liberated.
O--- 5y ago
Everywhere in the West*, I'd say.
VivekPC 5y ago
Feminist ideas have spread in the East as well, even though the word 'feminism' itself may not be well known. Look at countries like India and China, for example.
MarquisDePaid 5y ago
Don't notice too many coincidences Mr Goy
Just because things in South America/Asia and Africa are more "fertility friendly" is just because of like individual choices or something
Shlomo_McGillicuddy 5y ago
Interesting that this correlates perfectly with the growth in use of online dating apps.
eclectro 5y ago
I.e. are you saying, the more people use online dating apps, the less "lucky" they are??
valenin 5y ago
Abundance allows pickiness.
Imagine you’re hiring for a job. You can only hire people who live in a five mile radius. The best candidate, Adam, may not be so great on a grand scale, but you’ll never see, talk to, meet, or interview anyone better. So you hire Adam.
But what if you could hire people from your state? Suddenly your chances of finding someone better than Adam is way better. And you’ll probably find better Bob. So now Adam has competition.
And then you look at your country. Now Adam’s a big fish in a small pond, and chances are he can’t compete with Charlie, the best guy in Eclectroland.
But then the internet comes along, and you can find the best candidates on the planet. Adam? Who’s Adam?
This is exactly what’s playing out on the meat markets. And women are, as they always have been, the ‘employers’ in the sexual marketplace, so the guys who are the global ‘top performers’ have ‘companies’ fighting for them and everyone else is just trying to pay the bills.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
This is actually a perfect example of dating and is so true.
RuleTheOne 5y ago
Great example for dating and the real world. The goal is to become a top performer.
Angry_runt 5y ago
When the criteria are height and the shape of your face, good luck becoming a top performer in those.
MikeTRP 5y ago
The criteria on dating apps may be your picture but in real life wealth is also matters. See this pic of internet multi-millionaire Kim Dotcom who recently married a 22 year old. Granted, this is provider game but the point remains.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT9ip94VMAE4ywF.jpg
Angry_runt 5y ago
He hired a prostitute on a long term contract, probably a lot more expensive than if she charged by the hour.
And that kind of wealth isn't something you can realistically expect no matter how hard you work, so it isn't a viable avenue of self improvement. A merely good salary won't cut it.
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Rosace_89 5y ago
as a 6'6 with an above average face, there is waaaay more criterias than just those
so focus on improving the things you have control over
nomsgplz 5y ago
Yeah right. You get matches on tinder because the girls found it attractive that how you dealt with your internal struggles, and they were absolutely blown away by your competence and philosophy of your life. Your height and face played very less role.
The waaaay more criteria bullshit is given to less attractive men, so they can become resourceful cucks.
Women's vagina have only one criteria; the best available dick available to her. All the other things are bullshit. But that bullshit is necessary for humans to progress. Back then, sex was given to the men who were resourceful and powerful. Now women themselves have the freedom to choose who to give sex, and they choose on the basis of absolute superficial things.
andreas-mgtow 5y ago
Finally some Red Pill truth in a sea of BP cucked posts.
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hardly_incognito 5y ago
As a 25 year old, I've recently ramped up my game.
Biggest thing I remember was way back before my n-count was even at 10, I read a rule here that you should fuck around 25 girls before you consider settling.
I've lost count now, I'm not slaying as much as I'd like, but being at 25+ lays now, I see why.
What having sex with a lot of women does it really free up any potential oneitis. I don't get stuck up on girls near as much as I used too. Trust me here, I still get rejected plenty. But the thing is, the abundance mindset is cultivated not when you have abundance, but realize what is out there. I view women as a force of nature, and I see my types reappear time and time again. There's plenty a time where I've missed out on a certain kind of girl, only to be balls deep in one that has striking resemblances to the one I was tripping over several months later. Only difference? This one likes me!
If you've been lifting, dressing half-way decent, focusing on yourself... Then really all it takes to get laid is to get out there and meet girls.
That's where I'm at now. Cold approach is my new thing that I'm focusing on. Being in the right environment, the right mindset, everything just feels right for it. Oddly enough, cold approach is almost always the answer.
Two biggest words of advice I'd give guys looking to get laid regularly? Easy!
First, lift. This includes focusing on what you eat, then dressing accordingly so that you don't look like a highschooler.
Second? Approach. That's it! No context, no fucks given. Direct or indirect. No overthinking, simply taking action.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
The more women you fuck, the more you realize spending time & energy chasing pussy is a total waste of time.
Women are just a distraction from the boredom of life. They won't make you happy. Only you and your mission can do that
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
False. Abundance mindset is NOT realizing what is out there, it is knowing that you CAN GET whatever is out there.
If you there is a feast on the table, but you can't have any of it, then you starve and cannot have abundance until you start to regularly eat from the table.
Heizenbrg 5y ago
Do yoga too, it does wonders to your body and mind.
I have zero pain anywhere in my body, and I lift amazingly.
daffy_duck233 5y ago
+1 for yoga. It helps with chronic pains and correct your posture as well.
hardly_incognito 5y ago
Any routines or videos you'd recommend?
I did powerlifting for a long time. Luckily didn't fuck up my body too much despite pushing some serious numbers. I still lift heavy now, but put more emphasis on volume.
For mobility I use a foam roller, do a few dynamic movements, then warm up with the bar & lower weight until I hit my working sets.
Uberfeedus 5y ago
I went from being extremely depressed to a very vibrant person thanks to yoga and mindfulness. This video and master instruction by one of the best is irreplaceable. I've been doing yoga for 2.5 years, it basically saved my life. Despite some of the "vapid whores" comments, I've met all the most down to Earth chicks through yoga, and ones who practice Yoga. They are bubbly, vibrant and friendly.
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A couple tips would be to do your absolute best to not hold your breath. If I immediately start exhaling when I reach the top of my inhale, and vice versa, my balance is improved significantly. There isn't that momentary period of "oh shit I'm not breathing". Make a drishti (focal point) a major part of your practice. I find when I breath "into my tailbone" (I just focus on my tailbone when I inhale, and the feeling of it), or maintain a drishti, the ability to stay calm and balanced is much greater. The tendency to look around is a habit you should work on. Pick a small dot, or sharp corner, and just maintain focus. Follow the cues, listen to the philosophy, try lots of different styles (Yin is very enjoyable and intense despite the "lack" of movement), and short flows.
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Do this video + series and DON'T LOOK BACK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY5qGREnUi0&t=372s
BrownGummyBear 5y ago
I recommend you look up in YouTube “Yoga with Adrienne”. I’ve paid $0 for yoga (well, just my mat) and am enjoying the benefits in my mind and body :)
Heizenbrg 5y ago
Those mobility exercises are good but nothing beats an ancient practice centered on moving your bodies in all kinds of directions.
Depending on where you live I recommend finding a studio that has different offerings: Ashtanga, Vinyasa, Yin Yoga, Kundalini (Breath practice), Sivananda, Power Yoga.
Or try out different studios, Groupon and classpass are your friend. Mindfulness is sometimes offered in some studios as a spiritual mental practice as well.
Also lots of hot girls and not much competition, easy lays.
Biggest benefits is no back pain, great posture, amazing sex and amazing sleep.
destraht 5y ago
I did hot Bikram yoga because it was next to my place. I found them to be very militant and weird.
Heizenbrg 5y ago
The studio or the teacher? Just try somewhere else
destraht 5y ago
It was ten years ago. I think that whole school is a bit much.
hardly_incognito 5y ago
Thanks brotha.
I recently moved to a college town (~30k students), so I'm sure I could find one easily. Again, much appreciated. May have saved my back.
clausternn 5y ago
What do you mean? What's your routine? How many sets do you do.
hardly_incognito 5y ago
Depending on your level, here are some suggestions.
Starting off, obviously 5/3/1 or Starting Strength.
Intermediate I ran the Texas Method. Didn't enjoy that, then found Jonnie Candito and used his programs.
Recently I've gone over to Mike Israetel and purchased his 22-wk program. Have yet to follow it through, life and shit came up. So I'm re-doing a 6 week cycle of Candito's program before going back into it.
Both programs offer a lot of flexibility, and I can't say I follow them verbatim. I've lifted for 10 years now, so I'm fine with that personally.
clausternn 5y ago
Cool, I'm doing a modified reddit PPL. I'm not sure what I would run as intermediate. Not even sure when the transition to intermediate happens to be honest...
hardly_incognito 5y ago
Intermediate actually comes pretty quick. After about 6 months of consistent lifting, you begin to taper out.
The best way to really gauge it, for me, is based on strength. Once you stop getting huge gains and hit a plateau, you can either reset your beginner's routine or move onto something else. If you reset 1-2x and see little/no gains, then you're for sure at that range.
WeddingCrasher91 5y ago
25 plates or 25 times you had sex?
hardly_incognito 5y ago
25 different women I've slept with.
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justlurking420 5y ago
I message so many women and they rarely respond. When they do they ghost me after like 2 messages
stigma17 5y ago
Then talk to them in real life, they can either say no or yes in the moment. If you’re just messaging girls, then you’re not actually doing anything
hardly_incognito 5y ago
Where are you meeting these women?
If it's online, that makes complete sense and should be disregarded. I check my Tinder once a day to do my 5 daily "super-likes" then move on. No point wasting more time on it than necessary. As for matches, arrange for a meet-up somewhere public, if they ignore you then no biggie. They may have been a troll account for all you fuckin' know. As many have laid out, the dating market online is trash. Even if you are in the top 20% of men.
Why? Because compared to face-to-face interactions it's much easier to disregard and turn someone away online. Multiple factors, they could just have so much shit blowing up their dating app that you slip through the cracks.
I work in sales, and this is why a lot of what I do is still in-person. Yes I could email, write, or call a lead, but what if I go in-person?
xxxtraicion 5y ago
Let's think about the "many" who have laid out that "the dating market online is trash"
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Which is more likely? That in this digital, social-media age, cute girls aren't using tinder or some other app to make dating easy? Or that many girls are in fact using it, but the competition is quite difficult for most men.
I will grant you that it has gotten relatively more difficult in the past few years, but that doesn't mean it's not being used. It's also negligibly more difficult for women to snub someone in real life than online.
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hardly_incognito 5y ago
I'm not opposed to it. I prefer cold approach as it pushes me more in terms of personal growth.
You can use Tinder passively, but if that's your main method of approach, then that's you. As for myself, I find more to gain by having to face to face interactions.
Why can't a person use both? It's not a this vs that argument.
xxxtraicion 5y ago
Some of us are in careers that take up a lot of time, and maxing out pics for Tinder is likely a better ROI than cold approach. The occasions for cold approach might not be super-frequent either. Also cold approach won't be helped by studying or reading books and whatnot. If a girl is into you, you just need to have some semblance of smooth talking from my experience. It doesn't have to be perfect.
hardly_incognito 5y ago
I feel you, I think the opposite. Then again I'm at the point where I can talk to girls throughout my day. I also live in a place with a high concentration of hot ass girls (college campus). Plus my career is also time consuming, so being proactive spontaneously and going for it seems to work for me.
To each his own, whatever works for you, well, works for you. Personally just got back from a Tinder date and while the chick wasn't half-bad, it was another one of those "hmm, you looked better in pictures" moments.
5baserush 5y ago
Tinder? The only way I ever got that to work was being super blunt and up front.
My opener, verbatim. "Wanna fuck?"
I went from no hits, to plating 4 chicks at a time.
I had a few directly say yes. I had a few play coy. Some said no, these were hit or miss. If they really trully mean no they'll straight up unmatch you.
Try to get a number in 2 or 3 messages. Otherwise its a waste if time and success rates plummet hard.
Move it to text as soon as you get that number and keep it business only. Setting up when and where.
I would suggest we meet up for coffee to make sure we're are both normal and not cat fishing.
If we met for coffee it was a 100% close rate. 95% of the time we went straight back to my place. The other 5% would meet up later.
Any sort of fancy word play, jokes, puns, deep convo is a huuuuuuuuuge waste of time.
Jkarl1 5y ago
Thank you for using the app as it is intended!. People use it as a validation/dating/promo/LTR/marriage platform. It’s designed to fuck people! Anyone not on tinder for this reason is wrong.
clausternn 5y ago
You must look like a top 10% male on your tinder photos. No way your advice is good for most men. Even a top 30% male wouldn't find any luck with okay-looking women using your advice.
5baserush 5y ago
Yeah I'm good looking. Doesnt mean this won't work for other people. I take shit pictures. And my game still sucked until I did this.
It completely changed tinder for me.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Youre good looking. Ive tried the direct "wanna fuck" approach and scared off the women
5baserush 5y ago
On tinder? I would be terrified to do this in person.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Did both on tinder and in person daygame. It doesnt work well with daygame. Only night game, calibrate ur approach unless ur good looking
xxxtraicion 5y ago
Care to PM your pics? It would really give some substance to this, and you have my word I won't try to dox. You can delete after 12 hours.
5baserush 5y ago
I'm good looking. I've been called gorgeous once or twice in my life.
My body was meh due to laziness and injuries. White 6'3 190lb at the time. Tall and lean but still skinny fatish. I do have aesthetic proportions though.
I'm telling you man. My pictures were the same for months. The only thing that changed was how direct I was.
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RuleTheOne 5y ago
Interesting do you believe online approaches lead to sex faster? Sure seems like it.
Because by the time you two meet up, she already knows what your intentions are.
5baserush 5y ago
Yep. You announce intentions immediately and talk as little as possible.
This saves time and gives you less opportunity to fuck things up lol.
tchower 5y ago
Again, even though we have so much online dating and social media to reach out to woman, woman are still really picky and only go for the top 20 percent of men or whatever is above their SMV, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, because as woman go up in power, the men beneath them or even men equal to them become invisible.
11-Eleven-11 5y ago
Confirmed. I'm 21 and not getting any.
russian_nigger 5y ago
that's why prostitution should be legal and more acceptable in this fucking country. if you travel outside the "free" america, you'll notice a huge difference in attitudes where pussy is for sale everywhere. women are less cuntish and entitled and men are happier as well. people are more or less normal.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Look, fellas, if you want to get laid then:
A. Put down the weed, videogames, shitty food.
B. Eat clean, get thee to the House of Iron.
C. Become the Prize
D. Go out and Day Game like it's your job. Or Night Game. Just go outside and talk to girls.
There is So Much Soy out there that girls are thirsty for masculine men. Train your body in the gym, train your mind with game. Slay pussy. Simples.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Competition is terrible these days. Imagine trying to compete against men 50 years ago. Every man was thin, dapper, likely useful (handy).
Now if you have a worthwhile hobby (carpentry, music, not vidya and tv) you are already interesting and different. If you aren’t fat you’re above average. If you don’t wear graphic Ts you dress well. It’s so easy
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
For what purpose? If you wanna get huge (i'm a formerly skinny guy), eating clean just makes it hard to put on size.
And its calories in vs calories out anyway. If you lift heavy for 3 hrs a day you can eat anything you want.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
You say this because you're a young man. Eating clean matters. Just like you shouldn't smoke, abuse alcohol or do drugs. All that shit comes back to you and shows up on your face when you're 40.
clausternn 5y ago
He probably meant don't get fat.
With lifting people need to make sure they get a crapton of protein, and it helps to get enough of every micronutrient (which means eating lots of vegetables and things like black beans, sweet potatoes, etc).
But besides all that you're right, it's easier to get the rest of your calories off of junk than clean food. IIFYM and all that. It's healthy to minimize sugar and minimize trans fat, but that's all, it's just healthy. Won't matter much aesthetically as long as your amount of calories are under control.
Uesugi1989 5y ago
1000 calories of chicken and rice are completely different that 1000 calories of chocolate milk
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
How?
There's no difference between calories. They are measured the same. If you exercise you wouldnt get fat.
TwentyEighteen 5y ago
Your body treats those calories differently. CICO is a myth
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
How does it treat the calories? Cuz ive taken university courses on the matter and all we were ever taught was CICO
Uesugi1989 5y ago
It's not about getting fat, it's about getting ripped. After a workout for example your body needs protein and carbohydrates that are easily digested, if you eat the same amount of calories with trans fats, you won't have the same results
masterpiece00 5y ago
So what?, literally call an escort (way hotter than normal girls anyway), fuck her and get on with your week.
This is both playing the system powerfully and getting your needs met. Win win.
Nighthawk_Black_ 5y ago
I've been with a few escorts over the years the experience is way better than being with the majority of women.
Shlomo_McGillicuddy 5y ago
Agreed. A lot more "civilian" women are getting into porn/escorting and the experience is better than some lame Tinder hookup. Plus they do as they're told and don't make demands.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Ironically it's actually kind of a good thing prostitution is illegal for you yanks. Bc a whore knows if she wants her customers to risk coming back again she has to give them a good time
Here in Europe it's legal and by and large the prossies are terrible. As ever, I guess that's the price you pay for freedom
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WeddingCrasher91 5y ago
Jesus i fucked model escorts that i wouldn't even have dreamed of gaming and seducing. Fake tits and ass, the ones i used to fantasize about when i was a kid, thinking how lucky are the men who are fucking them. Hell i even fucked a pornstar....
Nighthawk_Black_ 5y ago
The escorts I've been with have been stunning and the experience has helped me a lot with knowing what I want in relationships.
Dinosaur-Shaman 5y ago
Your logic here is “the sex I’ve had with women I’ve paid to fuck has been better than the sex I’ve had with women I’ve been able to pickup, therefore sex you pay for is better than the sex you don’t”.
Now, are escorts probably better than average at sex? Sure, they do it for a living, they better be decent at it. But do you really think it’s likely that a majority of women are really awful at sex, OR is it more like that a majority of the women you’ve been able to actually attract in the past just weren’t that skilled/hot/enthusiastic?
The burden is on you, as a red pilled man, to lead a successful, exciting life that naturally draws in the sort of girls you fantasized about fucking as a kid. Sex with a plate isn’t a good as the sex you had with a hooker?Figure out why tf it’s not, and communicate whatever the issue is with your partner like a normal human being to work it out lol.
Does that mean that you’re automatically a blue pilled cuck if you dropped some Benjamin’s on a hooker once or twice? Probably not. But making a habit of paying women to pretend to enjoy taking a ride on your dad bod sounds pretty beta to me. Edit:spelling
daymi 5y ago
I agree. But going to hookers in the first place is already something that society looks down upon and you took the first step in getting freedom for yourself by going to a hooker and thus removing a lot of power from women. Just don't keep doing that specific thing forever. Also, damn, are hookers provider hunting. The latter lesson was worth it all by itself.
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TheImpossible1 5y ago
Except sex workers are hateful fucks that we should not be funding. Seriously look at their constant defending of what Cardi B did.
Then again, maybe being drugged and robbed is your kink.
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It does feel wrong that these girls can make 5-10K in a week just for laying on a bed and spreading their legs.
But legalizing prostitution is the only thing that can save this society from imploding upon itself (aside from reverting to 1950s era monogamy, which will never happen at this point). With 80% of males "going their own way", not getting any sex, and having no motivation to work harder and contribute to society, our country is going to go straight down the shitter.
Legalizing prostitution would allow the beta male work force to keep working hard for an incentive... and it would also reduce the price, reduce STD risk, reduce the # of girls scamming guys, and make the girls put more competitive effort into pleasuring and providing their customers with a good experience.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
I don't care if society implodes as long as women feel the brunt of the collapse.
RichKingOfBangmar 5y ago
They never will. Conquered men are slaughtered, conquered women are bred. The French thots who bounced on Nazi occupier dick just had their heads shaved as punishment.
Women will always be shielded from the negative consequences of their actions; the only viable solution is to take away their autonomy. Autonomy is for those who have to deal with consequences.
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Hahaha, my exact feelings at this point
Dinosaur-Shaman 5y ago
It’s not playing the system powerfully, it’s literally wasting your resources and putting the pussy on a pedestal. If you can’t go out and meet hot women to fuck on your own, then you’re clearly wasting too much time chasing tail and not investing enough in yourself to attract hot women naturally. What you do with your money is your business, but don’t encourage others to buy pussy and pretend it’s alpha lmao.
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Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Fucking hookers is useful. Think I have fucked Def more than a 100 hookers now (don't anymore bc my circumstances have changed), and fucking hookers helped me realize women are full of shit more or less the same way as I have realized women are full of shit from all the one I've fucked for free
Dinosaur-Shaman 5y ago
Weird analogy, since fast food is cheaper than a four course meal, while my main argument is that paying directly for sex isn’t worth the cost or the damage to your ego.
Instead, look at having sex like winning a sports game; a victory for your hard work. Now, even though it costs time through effort and self improvement, the reward comes from knowing you earned your success.
Picture buying a hooker like paying off the ref before the game to just let you win. Sure the hooker might be hotter than any you normally fuck- a crooked ref might help you score more than you normally could. And at the end of the day, you still fuck either way, just like you’d still walk away with a W by bribing.
The difference, besides the obvious direct monetary cost, is a blow to your own self esteem. You have to decide if experiencing that one victory is worth knowing you had to pay someone to PRETEND as if you earned it. That’s your choice
maha420 5y ago
This. Imagine if you used the same money to buy new clothes, hire a trainer, decorate your apartment, etc. Over time, this adds up. If we're talking $400/hr once a month (hot hooker but not high-end), you could probably even afford a new car. In no way does hiring a hooker improve your SMV. The opportunity cost is huge.
tunsku 5y ago
Yeah, but it might satisfy your dick.
ShavedApel 5y ago
You need to make more money... 400$ is super high end, 3 hours pay for me gets an average girl.
Standgrounding 5y ago
What are you working right now?
ShavedApel 5y ago
I build and repair machines, as well as investing and have a small business.
maha420 5y ago
$400 is not even close to super high-end. $1-2k/hr is what you'll pay for quality HB9's in LA that have stellar reputations and reviews. Raise your standards and invest your money wiser. It's not all about how much you can earn, but how you use it.
ShavedApel 5y ago
I'm not in LA so I shouldn't say super high end. Where I live the best ones at the agencies I have been to never go over 300$ for a short session. Some of the best girls are the less expensive ones I had one for 100$ who was great but she moved away.
WeddingCrasher91 5y ago
And what do fuckers like me are supposed to do? I spend every 4 months in remote desert areas due to my work, followed by a 10 day vacation only. How am i supposed to find plates and get my dick wet? The situation is tight, jobs are hard to come by, anyone with a job is latching to it with tooth and nail no matter how bad or shitty it is.
SocialObserver01 5y ago
umm move to where the jobs are?
WeddingCrasher91 5y ago
Maybe when I am lucky enough to live in a 1st world country. Currently this is the best job i can get,it pays decent though compared to others.
Ochialoc 5y ago
Whinny on the internet won't help. Stop making excuses. The situation will always be hard. Improve yourself and having a positive attitude goes a long way. If you can't download tinder and have pussy in 10 days you need to lift waaaayyyy harder. Good luck and stop whining.
WeddingCrasher91 5y ago
Nobody's whining. Just don't call getting escorts blue pilled. Already used tinder and got some matches. 30 pounds more to lose and everything should go according to plan :)
skrrtrr 5y ago
But it absolutely fucking is blue pulled to call an escort. If that’s your only source of sex. If you can get girls but also sometimes want a hooker, sure, but only hookers? Blue pill, it is what it is.
therapistGetsSocial 5y ago
how could I explain this to you?...
An escort can't sell sincerity or honesty to you... the sincerity and honesty a top male gets for free...
By definition, sincerity can't be sold or hired...
masterpiece00 5y ago
No women are capable of sincerity and honesty. And who cares whatever this cosmopolitan new wave gift THEY give, all we want is their body for a few moments.
PS2Errol 5y ago
Who gives a fuck about sincerity?
therapistGetsSocial 5y ago
would you rather a woman lied to you about yourself being a top male because she doesn't think you are, instead of her telling you you are a top male because she really thinks so?
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
'Sincerity' lol..... Most women are only good for their pussy. Their 'sincerity' is meaningless
That's not to say I don't value the companionship i've had with certain bitches, but get your head out the sand thinking a woman's 'sincerity' actually means anything lol
She's not yours, it's just your turn. She is just using you until the day she finds something better. Accordingly, you should use her the fuck back
therapistGetsSocial 5y ago
would you rather a woman lied to you about yourself being a top male because she doesn't think you are, instead of her telling you you are a top male because she really thinks so? do you prefer being a top male, or being lied about it?
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Don't know why you're asking questions you know the answer to.
The point I was making was that a woman's word is not her bond. She can say one thing to you and then completely change her mind the next day. Thats why their sincerity is meaningless.
The only honesty you should care about from a woman is the level of honesty that's required to fuck her. Anything she says beyond that take with a truckload of salt. Anyway don't let these bitches get close enough to you, that you care about anything she has to say other than what it takes to fuck her
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If she's able to fully convince you that she's sincere, is that any different from her being genuinely sincere?
therapistGetsSocial 5y ago
would you rather a woman lied to you about yourself being a top male because she doesn't think you are, instead of her telling you you are a top male because she really thinks so? do you prefer being a top male, or being lied about it?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Shame that a shit comment like this gets upvoted around here.
The entire purpose of this sub is sexual strategy so you don't have to pay a dime for sex
Take this garbage to MGTOW or Incels where such garbage content belongs
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Lol echo, what the other guy who replied to this said.
You make it sound like paying for sex should be punishable by death lol. What you don't seem to understand is that every man pays for sex, one way or another. Not every man pays the same price or necessarily in the same way, but every man pays for it in some way. I'll let you take that one away and think about it.
Also, when you are rich, your time is way more valuable to you than your money. Why spend days on tinder etc looking for a bitch to fuck when I can just drop $200 and get the same result instantly. When you rich you got other more important things to think about than pussy
SilkTouchm 5y ago
Time is an asset. Your most valuable asset. You're just paying with time instead of money.
clausternn 5y ago
This 100%
What's gonna get upvoted next? "Watch porn every week so you save both time and money"?
masterpiece00 5y ago
Dude, you ALWAYS pay for sex, and you are paying much more for these entitled women strutting around swiping left and right looking for the RIGHT PRINCE and getting a free ride from each suitor as they do so. 3 dates one kiss if you are lucky, that will be $860.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Spoken like a true MGTOW loser.
masterpiece00 5y ago
And you read it on a forum you frequent, full of men that discusses strategies to act like an alpha male to get women to notice/sleep with them and not those natural alphas that have never been online.
But you're here for other reasons, you're not a loser.
ShavedApel 5y ago
This sub is a sexual strategy sub and this is the most basic guaranteed strategy. If some guys want to use this tool in his arsenal that's his choice. Working on physique and game is the more endorsed strategy but even that is putting in work (paying) indirectly.
MGTOW and Incels are for the most part against paying for sex fyi.
glad2besad 5y ago
MGTOW are not opposed to paying for sex or having sex with girls in general.
They are Red Pilled guys (often divorced) who think chasing girls and LTRs are a very low ROI.
That’s it. Incels aren’t even close.
Curious why you group the 2 together?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
It's not a strategy, its cheating, its a short cut.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
Being in great shape is also a "short cut" when it comes to gaming women. The guy whose in great shape will have a much easier time getting laid than the fat slob.
Also, while I don't pay with sex, making the kind of money to where dropping $200 on a chick doesn't affect you financially takes a lot of fucking hard work. Unless you are a trust fund baby.
RichKingOfBangmar 5y ago
ShavedApel 5y ago
Lmao, he went to the gym and got buff he's cheating too.
furcryingoutloud 5y ago
I am continually amazed at the idealistic views of the Red Pill on this sub. Hire a hooker and you're suddenly blue pill. Says the guy that's never spent 10k on a night out with a bunch of call girls.
Wanna be alpha? Make money. When you're making over a mil a year, you seriously gonna worry about paying some call girl for no effort sex? Go ahead and become really alpha with your limited lame assed mind. 150k a year is for betas. Alphas want the world, not a good job.
Hookers? They are all fucking hookers. That LTR with no red flags? Yeah, let a guy making ten times what you're making circle her for a few weeks and tell me how that went. If after becoming as red pill as you think you may be, you're not losing sleep about how to gain money and power, the truth is you should begin from scratch and start reading the sidebar again.
You think that in the end, it counts how many women you were able to seduce because you were really really red pill? Oh you never paid for sex. Yeah, cause you're always broke. But even if you think you don't pay for sex, you will. You do. You will. You dumb fucks.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Someone give this guy the key to the city.
Thank you. Exactly my thoughts also
[deleted] 5y ago
I mostly agree. But there's definitely blue pill beta losers out there making 500K-1M per year. And them relying on escorts is just keeping them where they are.
There's a balance. You should see an escort every once in a while if you haven't been laid and just want sex. But you should also still try to pickup and fuck girls and to keep your game on point
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
He not saying making money makes you alpha, just that paying for pussy is not necessarily beta.
Like he said eventually you realize all women are basically prostitutes, so if you have the simoleons to carry a shitload of prostitutes on your shoulders it actually mark of high value man
furcryingoutloud 5y ago
There is no doubt that there are plenty of fucking blue pilled idiots that make huge amounts of money. Just for kicks and giggles, look up Grant Cardone and then we can talk about lame pills. Most of those fucking idiots marry some hooker and think they found their unicorn. They get to fuck a 9/10 and fall in love. The hilarious thing is that they come to really believe that this instagram slut is in love with them. Oh please! Then those are the guys whose wives (ex-hookers) don't ever want me around their husbands. They've been heard saying how I would corrupt them.
I had a guy walk away from a deal because I had my attorney put a clause in the shareholder's agreement that upon any of the shareholder's death, the remaining shareholders had first right to buy the deceased's shares. He wanted his "wife" to keep the shares. Like I'm ever going to let some thot into the board. "she's smart!" he says, "fuck yeah she's smart, convinced you didn't she?". GTFO
See, there's that little word "try". In my life, it's come to the point that I've grown lazy. I think that if I have to sit down with a woman and listen to her describing her fucking feelings one more time, I might just turn into a serial killer. Game for me would be sitting in a restaurant and watching grown fucking men pander to thots.
I see no issues in having sugar babies or paying for hookers. I don't need to listen to anyone's bullshit life problems and put up with anything. I have a few long term sugar babies and you know why I don't spin plates? Because it's work. And you know what I do with work? I fucking pay someone to do it. Anything other than me walking into a hotel room and asking "you hungry?" is way too much hassle for me. Hell, I may have my assistant get her dinner before I show up.
And yet, some of these sugar babies want to marry me. Fuck my life.
Look, I see no problems in learning to be and becoming a player. By all means, learn it all. But when kids concentrate only on getting pussy, I'd like to run them over with a Maserati only because I would hate to get the Lambo dirty. But then again, I'm 55 and fucking coarse from all the bullshit. Maybe I should write something up about how fucking people change around you when you make lots of money. It's fucking disgusting.
Not trying to tell anyone how to live. Do what you like, don't be like me. But for Christ's sake, learn to make money. You think you're doing good with women 'cause you all badassed red pilled? Make some fucking money and feel the power. You think Trump was kidding when he said you can grab them by the pussy? No, he was not kidding. THAT is the reality. I don't like Trump for many reasons, but there is no honor in saying he's wrong about that one bit of red fucking pill truth.
Don't be like me.
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Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Exactamundo.
That's what a lot of guys on here don't get bc even in their 30s they're still mentally stuck trying to win their high school popularity contest.
Your ability to get various womens cellphone numbers into yours is not real power. When you have so much money you can buy these hoes, and the fucking cell company too if you want, thats what real power is.
The true redpill is applying the capitalist mindset to women, and everything else beyond that.
ShavedApel 5y ago
People who have never made serious money will never understand this. When you earn enough to have more sex than is possible you don't even consider plating or dealing with women who you don't fully enjoy being around.
Its funny to read about guys spending mental energy trying to manage plates or why there girlfriends are acting a certain way.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
To use a phrase women frequently use:
"Yaaaaaasssss."
The true redpill is not learning how to conquer women, but learning how to conquer the world that women become a given.
Scarface said it best.
furcryingoutloud 5y ago
It's fine if they never make the money. Not everyone is meant to make money. Trust me, not everyone would actually enjoy the realities of making money. Some of those very same guys will come here and talk about how you don't need money to be alpha. And they'd be right, if you were a fucking lion living in the African tundra.
But in our world, the one where we all live, it's all about the fucking money. I don't like it, I hate what people become when they see it, smell it, or get close to it. Most people become fucking asskissers and meek little pissy sluts.
I come from an extremely red pill background. From both sides of my family. When I was 16, one of my uncles pulled me aside and told me, "there are two things in life you never fall in love with, cars and women". I've been surrounded by that kind of shit all my life. My parents divorced when I was 14. My father went full MGTOW. Never again I heard him say. And never again it was. He was gaming until he died. In his late seventies, he asked me for money to pay his steady hooker. I would deposit money into her account monthly and she made him happy.
Having said all that, I am wholeheartedly in favor of kids learning to game women. But I really would prefer to see you guys begin to understand that the same game that is shown in the red pill, also works for every single fucking human being on this fucking planet. So use it to make money. Create passive income.
I don't blame anyone for wanting to get laid. Fuck no. But when I come here and talk all this shit, it's just me trying to lay some wisdom on your young asses. I say to you what I wish someone would have told me when I was in my 20's.
Just try to understand that if you put as much energy into making money now as you do into trying to get your noodle wet, when you're thirty, you'll need a fucking shovel to get rid of all the pussy hanging around your front yard. Sure, learn to game, apply that game to life. And you won't have to game women, they will be trying to game you.
ShavedApel 5y ago
Wow direct deposit hookers that's savage. Maybe I am self rationalising because I lack game but my past girlfriends wanted me as much as I wanted them. There was no game just being yourself (assuming you're not a loser) and attracting someone who likes you for whatever reason.
furcryingoutloud 5y ago
And that is awesome in and of itself. Believe me. But let me paint a picture for you. You're buff, good looking, young, hard dick, tanned. A true full package. Now take that package and park it in a Ferrari. Park that Ferrari in the underground garage of a 7000 Sq ft mansion. With indoor and outdoor heated swimming pools. Ride the elevator up to your 1000 sq ft bedroom where one of your 3 maids has your drink ready and the jacuzzi in your bedroom already smoking, because your assistant knew he/she had to call ahead and prepare the house for you before you arrive, cause you want to relax with one of your paid plates who a private car you pay for will bring later.
This paid plate knows you have a few exotic cars that she'll never see. She only gets to ride one of those black cars you hire to take and bring people to where you need them to be. As a matter of fact, very few people ever get to ride in your cars because you didn't buy them to show them off, you couldn't give 3 fucks who knows about them or not. Nobody has your private number. People have to call your assistant if they want to talk to you. Your employees dread being called to a meeting at your lawyer's office, it usually means they're going to be fired. Nobody knows anything about where you are or where you're headed to unless you authorize it. Take a trip somewhere and burn the return flight because you decided to change itinerary on a whim.
Girl got too comfortable? Get dressed and leave, your assistant, or one of the attorneys in the firm you keep on retainer will be by to make sure she packs and leaves before you get back. They'll have the funds available to rent her a place if she complains about not having where to go. Offer her a few month's worth of funds until she can get off her feet.
Take whatever your past girls felt for you and multiply it by all of the above. Then tell me what you honestly think.
Does anyone here even know how much money it actually takes to pull off a life like that? Has anyone here ever bothered to design the sort of life they would like to live in their mind? Or is being able to snag some free pussy all that really matters?
[deleted] 5y ago
I guess my comments are more directed to young 20s guys like me. I think game is definitely a skill that you need to learn a little bit about. But yea, if you're 55 and wealthy, there's no reason to continue grinding on approaching girls/spinning plates unless you enjoy it. But telling a 25 year old guy that he doesn't need any game and to just make lots of money and buy hookers isn't going to be the best choice for him in regards to being successful.
What should they be doing? Focusing on getting money, or?
Also, this is some pretty good stuff. I'd love to read more about what you have to say, you should write up some articles or something and post them here.
furcryingoutloud 5y ago
As simply as I can make it. Most guys here are trying to learn how to get fish from the supermarket for less money. I'd love it if they dedicated a little bit more time to learning how to make bait, set the bait and watch the fish roll in.
There was a story my grandfather told me once. I'm sure people here have heard it plenty of times. Here is a reminder.
An old bull and a younger bull were standing on top of a hill looking down at the herd of cows grazing. The young bull turns to the old bull and says, "Let's run down there, grab a cow and fuck her!" The old bull looks at the young bull and says, "Why don't we WALK down and fuck'em all?"
Quit thinking like the young bull.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
Damn. I heard that from my father before and never quite got the meaning of it. Now I truly understand the phrase.
furcryingoutloud 5y ago
Awesome man! I'm here all week.
[deleted] 5y ago
Lol, I have heard that saying once before: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zUS-HegxDzw&t=14
furcryingoutloud 5y ago
Haha, I heard it first from my grandfather... I'm glad it gets around.
ConfusedRoo 5y ago
Yeah, and you expect them to pay for an escort with what? The first wages out of college that goes towards covering the loan you got just to get a degree? Or with the money they're saving to get the hell out of their parent's basement, if they can even save.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
Exactly. Out of curiosity, I looked up how much escorts are per hour and they are really expensive. Maybe for someone in mid 30s making $150K+, it can be done once a month, but not for someone making $65K (still a decent salary, but not enough to live solo in a decent place around a major city). Even then, I would much rather a chick who actually wants to fuck me as sex is better when she truly does
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Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
That's like $150/hr - standard price. Why the fuck would I want to order a girl for 2 hours? I am just done getting warmed up after 2 hours. I like to fuck my girls all night long. And a girl for the entire night costs about $1000.
[deleted] 5y ago
52 weeks 3 girls a week = 156 girls a year. 156 girls $300 = $46,800
And yea more power to you if that's your thing. I usually cum in like 15 minutes so 1 hour is all I need.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Lol your neighbour is using his money very inefficiently. If you do want to pay for it there is way to get it cheaper and better quality
[deleted] 5y ago
Yea that's absolutely true. He told me he has only like 120K in savings at 45 yrs old unmarried, so I think he just blows all his money and doesn't give a fuck. He's very much the loner/intellectual type
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
I couldn't justify spending a little over a third of my income on pussy. I love sex and would love to be able to consistently have sex once 1-3 times a week, but that's pretty crazy. At that point, it would be easier to go on bumble/tinder/hinge/etc. and say you're some rich dude with a sick place. Many women would come over just for the chance to hang out in a luxury place.
I get that rich people spend money on escorts and expect it, but spending a third of your income on escorts is outrageous. If he went from spending 33% to maybe 10%, which is $14,000, still would have a good amount of sex from hot chicks.
Also, that extra $30K per year or so could be used towards investing in stocks/real estate, travel, cool experiences and other things much better than some pussy.
daveed1297 5y ago
Do you actually think this is Alpha behavior? Paying thousands of dollars to fuck some actor when you can have girls on their knees for you just by being a man doesn't sound like what TRP is about.
SilkTouchm 5y ago
Lol
Unless you're Tom Cruise or something you're still going to need to battle trough ASD and waste hours "getting to know each other". Time is your most valuable asset.
daveed1297 5y ago
Could not disagree more. I have fucked 4 of the past 6 first dates I've been on, I barely text and don't even know the last names of these girls. Smash the gym, dress well, and be in control of the encounter and you'll be getting head in the car. If you want a screenshot of my texts let me know
SilkTouchm 5y ago
You have a 33% failure rate. That's quite an amount of time wasted. How long are your dates? how much time do you spend with them after you've fucked them? how much time do you spend dressing well? that's at least a shower, drying your hair, shaving if you have to, etc.
What if instead of spending all that time doing that, you spent it working, and in turn earned $2000? would you really mind paying $500 for a thot to come over and fuck her? it's just basic economics.
daveed1297 5y ago
I send fewer than 25 texts to each of them before meeting. Date is ice cream that they pay for more often than not, and some get to know you banter. Fuck for an hour, go home. On dates that don't pan I don't waste time because I have fun regardless. If I like how the first meeting goes they might enter the rotation. Many of them like that I'm in a management role for a bank, but anyone can help their frame and lift.
Here's a typical text convo with my 2nd plate
And also from my [main plate](https://i.imgur.com/U7b0nLg.jpg
clausternn 5y ago
Dejsiab? Is that a real name? Sounds like her mom had a stroke wtf
SilkTouchm 5y ago
I didn't ask for your texts and I don't know why you're so desperate to show them. You dodged all of my questions.
CryingHappyMonkey 5y ago
So if the amount of sex men have has decreased in proportion to women, what does that mean? Are the women having sex with each other? Are they all having sex with the same smaller number of guys?
RightHandWolf 5y ago
The Pareto Principle is a concept that basically spells out the 80/20 split. This occurs in a lot of things, but for our purposes, this is the meme of how 80% of the women online are chasing after the top 20% of the males. This has been confirmed by some of Tinder's own data analysis, and I'm sure somebody's posted a topic about it here recently.
That's the bad news. The good news is that if you work on yourself, you can be in the top 20%. Not on a global scale or even a country wide scale, but on a local scale. Lift. Eat right. Put together a decent and stylish wardrobe and develop some game and social skills. Do those things, and unless she's some sort of globe trotting socialite, you can be in the top 20% of her available options in real life. A big fish in a little pond, maybe, but you gotta start somewhere, right?
CryingHappyMonkey 5y ago
Thanks for the advice, but I'm already good.
ShavedApel 5y ago
Yes and yes.
80/20 rule read the sidebar, and also women would rather have sex with women than beta males.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Lol never heard this take but it’s so fucking true. They’d rather make out with their fucking friends to entertain an alpha than a beta male
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Lol let that sink in.
Increasingly, women who are not homosexual would rather have sex with other women, a genetic dead end & someone who can't protect or provide for them, than even entertain the thought of having sex with a beta male.
Roflmaaao
CryingHappyMonkey 5y ago
The answers to my question were obvious, particularly to anyone in this subreddit. The real question is why weren't those questions explored in the article.
RightHandWolf 5y ago
If I had to guess why those points weren't mentioned in the article, I'd say "consider the source." They are a newspaper, so being a media outlet equals having a vested interest in preserving the status quo. They aren't about to rock the boat by raising questions that have very uncomfortable answers. The reason for not rocking the boat is that the economic fallout from all of these new dating dynamics is beginning to show up. Commercial entities that depend on the traditional arc of "first comes love, then comes marriage" are taking a big hit. Victoria's Secret is closing stores. So are chains such as Destination Maternity and the Gap. Toys 'R' Us is bankrupt. Some might try to claim that Walmart and Amazon have accounted for the retail decline. Bullshit. Traditional dating and relationships have been flushed down the shitter, so all of the discretionary spending that used to be tied to the mating game is going elsewhere.
bonivermectin 5y ago
This article is a recruitment tool for the LDS
Thirstquencherr 5y ago
Blocked in the EU. Mirror?
TheRedPike 5y ago
Give this a try: http://archive.fo/ixyQb
Let me know if it works for you. If it does, I'll pin it for the thread.
EDIT: even for me there is a big fat error message at the top of the page, but if you scroll down the actual article is there.
RightHandWolf 5y ago
Just for fun I tried your link:
Access Denied You don't have permission to access "http://www.washingtonpost.com/video/c/embed/a72935f6-3af9-11e6-af02-1df55f0c77ff" on this server. Reference #18.5d02655f.1553976345.b8fa32e
TheRedPike 5y ago
Whoops. I meant to mention this. Scroll down. The actual article is there.
TheWhiskeyTickler 5y ago
::laughs in American::
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Mangasbzo7 5y ago
The one thing I will add to this that may be some consolation for the incels lol, is that even as top 20% chad there is only so many women that you can fuck at once.
Mainly bc women are largely a hassle to put up with, so at some point having 2x, 3x or 4x the hassle of one just becomes too fucking much.
Thus there are a lot of girls I've kicked to the curb. Being pumped and dumped without warning is very damaging to the weak female pysche. It's perfect opportunity for a bottom 80% dude to come in and get the sloppy seconds lol
IvyExcess 5y ago
Ha true. It's funny to see guys around town smile at me cause they got to fuck a girl I got tired of and think they pulled her from me. If they only knew the truth...
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
The more I read about America, the more I realise what a shit show it's become. For a while I thought 'surely it can't be that bad'. After these comments, I'm beginning to envision that it must be awful. Your current generation of young men sounds completely emasculated.
Thank god I have Australian blood through and though. We're sort of wired to be at least somewhat masculine.
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