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www.sltrib.com | 280 Comments | submitted 4 months ago by dasCooDawg [Post Locked]
[-] Stutterer2101 205 Points 4 months ago

These results kinda confirm what I've been witnessing for the past years. It's barely 80/20 at this point and more like 90/10. There's a small group of dudes absolutely slaying out there lmao.

[-] Almost_Whole 162 Points 4 months ago

More and more men are realizing that chasing women is futile, high risk low reward.

[-] the-dan-man 117 Points 4 months ago

Exactly, and it is also the energy and money required too. Hell, the older i get and the more i try to get my shit together, the less time, energy, patience and money i have to spend on women. These women are shallow, vapid whores and they are all the fucking same. I probably sound bitter, and in a way i am a bit, but the truth is that it is becoming less and less worthwhile chasing and jumping through the hoops for these women. And we are all slowly starting to realise this, at least the intelligent men are anyway. Things felt different a few years ago, but it could just be me.

[-] Shankar_ 5 Points 4 months ago

I feel you there mate. Every year it's just getting more and more apparent.

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[-] PS2Errol 10 Points 4 months ago

Also, the number of women worth chasing gets smaller and smaller. Exclude all those over 35, all those who are fat (50% of American women are obese), all those who are ugly etc etc and what are you left with?

A tiny pool of women to chase. Not worth it for most.

[-] clausternn 5 Points 4 months ago

You picked a really weird percentage lol. 1/3 of americans women are obese and another 1/3 of americans women are overweight. So I guess you're saying women who are very overweight but not clinically obese aren't worth dating, but women who are moderately overweight but not too much are still acceptable.

[-] PS2Errol 2 Points 4 months ago

So 2/3rds are completely out of the reckoning. That leaves 1/3. Of those how many are under 35, attractive etc?

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[-] xxxtraicion 1 Point 4 months ago

I'd say that resignation to this supposed futility, whether real or not, is the ultimate kicker that knocks men out of the SMP for life. All it takes is 1-2 years of not lifting or grooming and most men will end up with damage that takes a long time to reverse (no chance for muscles with low bf, hairline receded far back, skin quality declined, and most importantly, the loss of mental fortitude for keeping high SMV).

[-] JJ3314 1 Point 4 months ago

Yeah I think people are unilaterally focusing on the fact that this new study shows the number of sexless men are increasing. It shows, however, that the number of sexless women is also increasing, but at a significantly lower percentage. This suggests to me that there is more than one variable at work here, and not simply "80% of men are unattractive to women." My suspicion is that there is a male voluntary withdrawal element to these numbers, even if it's not necessarily the primary factor in these numbers.

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[-] tunsku 28 Points 4 months ago

I mean, it's not wrong. Humans have become too intelligent for our own good. In the coming century we will get to see the smartest human races slowly go extinct as the dumber ones who don't think about "global warming" and "opression" and "career", and have children prevail.

[-] the-dan-man 29 Points 4 months ago

Yep, pretty much like the film idiocracy. The lower classes and lower IQ folk have way more sex, while higher IQ and richer classes focus on work and their career, and therefore neglect sex as a result.

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[-] AntiSharp 8 Points 4 months ago

Evolution isn’t happening in the span of less than two life times

[-] tunsku 1 Point 4 months ago

I said nothing about evolution

[-] AntiSharp 2 Points 4 months ago

Wrong term but still not long enough for any change

[-] tunsku 2 Points 4 months ago

Yeah, no change is gonna happen, but demographics are gonna change. High IQ populations like Europeans and East Asians are declining, while low IQ peoples like Africans are growing.

[-] AntiSharp 1 Point 4 months ago

Africa’s is increasing because of environmental changes, not genetics. Idk about the others

[-] BloodSurgery 2 Points 4 months ago

Fucking a lot =/= evolution, if you aren't making actual children.

[-] [deleted] 25 Points 4 months ago

I've had 85-90% of my women between the ages of 25-30. Graduated medical school at 25, learned PUA organically 1 year later. Testosterone levels slowly drop of after 30, also building businesses/equanimity in life becomes a higher priority than remembering what girl #4 said last week. Getting laid becomes 'just whatever' once you realize how routine it really is.

[-] Mangasbzo7 30 Points 4 months ago

One thing I've noticed having a lot of sex with different women, is as man you really do not want to get sucked into the world of women.

By that I mean women's lives revolve around relationships, gossip and drama. The more women you are fucking, inevitably the more your life revolves around that shit too. Eventually you realize 80% of the girls you fuck are not worth the headache that comes with them.

Now my strategy is I just have one main girl who is dependable, and an also dependable side bitch when I want some variety from time to time. That really is more than enough women!

[-] BrownGummyBear 4 Points 4 months ago

I may get downvoted to oblivion but I personally don’t want to increase my N count by THAT MUCH (30-50) it kinda grosses me out to think the amount of thots I’d have to stick my dick into to get those numbers

The best laid I had was a very dependable fuck buddy. Having a couple of fuck buddies is more than enough for me. Also, most of my one night stands have been meh whereas my fuck buddy really knew how to please me.

Edit: spelling

[-] Cheddar_Curtain 1 Point 4 months ago

I see exactly where you're coming from and practice similar things. Good luck trying to date and bang any more than two at once. 'Spinning plates'. A person can only spin so many plates before they all crash on the floor.

When you have too many at once it becomes a full time job. Who am I with on Thursday again? Which one is around this weekend? Then at some point the first one is in your bed but the second one wants you to hang out that night and the third one is wondering why you're ghosting.

I've been there and while it provides the right mentality to attract women eventually something blows up because women don't want players they want commitment. Juggling can be rewarding but it is a LOT of work.

Source: Me, over a decade in the trenches of modern dating. Women are a headache, how many do you want at once?

[-] Mangasbzo7 4 Points 4 months ago

Yh I have been there and I agree with you 1000%

I realized I was spending pretty much all my free time juggling various women, and spending no time anymore on what attracted them in the first place - me being the best version of me I could be & conquering new heights

There is widespread view on here that having multiple women is always preferable to just one - I've learnt not necessarily. As long as you don't delude yourself and believe the girl is irreplaceable, having 1 girl that knows her position and plays it well is better than having 3 or 4 girls say that you always have to coach & manage

[-] Cheddar_Curtain 2 Points 4 months ago

Exactly. What good does fucking four crazy women add to your life other than having empty balls? To me it's just not worth the hassle. You have to end up pretending what you did the three previous days never happened and good luck never slipping up on that.

I've caught myself talking about something that was with a different woman thinking it was with them. Getting caught in that trap will fucking bury you if she catches on to what you're talking about.

"Show on Tuesday? What show on Tuesday? (pause) You said you were hanging out with Dave helping him fix his brakes on Tuesday...... Are you fucking another woman!?"

[-] Mangasbzo7 1 Point 4 months ago

Ahahaha have been there & bought the t- shirt buddy!!

If only could get beer with you and share stories!

[-] Cheddar_Curtain 1 Point 4 months ago

Cheers bro. Keep them hoes in check!

[-] JJ3314 1 Point 4 months ago

Also you have more to lose now: it's all fine to be crazy about women when you are 20, your hormones are going out of control, and you have nothing to lose. Once you've started to build a financial empire, and have a life so to speak, you want your women high quality and drama free. But sifting through the available pool of women takes time to actually find such a person, and even if you do so, you have to still consider the wisdom of marriage with the current family court climate in many Western countries.

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[-] Zechbruder 3 Points 4 months ago

Meh, I have moderate success personally, but I agree that most women now have unreasonably high standards in their teens and twenties that taper off in their thirties once they realize that looks fade and being a bummy Tinder fuck will see you die alone.

[-] Fuckovski 1 Point 4 months ago

Hahahaha indeed i do. Damn last mont i fucked 10 new girls and didn’t even try. Life is good.

[-] El_MachineL 100 Points 4 months ago

Due to high SMV males spinning plates.

[-] SquaatsForDays 84 Points 4 months ago

It’s also due to the increasing issue with social media feeding women an inflated sense of self worth and beauty level. Those 40 AFCs sending messages on tinder everyday only make a 6 think she’s an 8 so she denies everything that isn’t a 9 or 10

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 50 Points 4 months ago

This was actually confirmed by tinder (I think) 80% of women rated themselves in the top 20% of women for looks.

So of course they are all competing for the top %20 of men (Also confirmed.)

[-] tunsku 17 Points 4 months ago

Yep, on internet dating, the 80/20 is ruthless.

[-] bemore_ 4 Points 4 months ago

Online is 100% hypergamy, nature in motion. Hypergamy would've been impossible to picture in practice 60 years ago. If you're in your 20's, your parents wouldn't understand it in practice, our experience.

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The landscape is weird. In theory online dating should've made cold approach impractical, not too long ago it simply had a low roi and many questioned its efficiency. Counter intuitively it is slower in practice but goes as fast as online dating. When I was 16 I went out one night and got 33 numbers. I'd assume only the best of tinder can pull this off on their smartphone. In theory, by today's standard I would be a top contender in the market place yet I'm just a normal guy. Online has always been artificial, however due to the nature of women it's as if there are two different realities, and a lot of guys are stuck and focused on an artificial reality

[-] clausternn 2 Points 4 months ago

This was actually confirmed by tinder (I think) 80% of women rated themselves in the top 20% of women for looks.

Source? I've never heard of this and I'm pretty well-informed about random dating app studies.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 3 Points 4 months ago

This was all over the web about 2 months ago.

I think it was tinder (or okcupid) that released a multi year study involving hundreds of thousands of people that showed not only are 80% of women competing for the top 20% of men, when asked 80% of women rated themselves as being in the top 20% for attractiveness...which explains why they were all competing for the top 20% of men.

Don't have a link for you sorry but it's on reddit somewhere if you search...

[-] clausternn 1 Point 4 months ago

Interesting. I've read the first part several times (competing for top 20% of men) but never seen the second part attached to it (rating themselves as top 20%).

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 5 Points 4 months ago

If you see the actual study, rather than just comments on the study, that is definitely there...

Ok I think it was okcupid's study (not tinder) but it seems the original has been removed from their blog (possibly because it was too controversial....)

[-] Cha_Cha_cho 19 Points 4 months ago

Also likely due to the fear of getting falsely accused ?

[-] MercyYouMercyMe 20 Points 4 months ago

I keep hearing this and I think it's an excuse. Do you think alphas give a fuck? Betas simply can't compete. They can't get sex, so they've checked out, not the other way around, I think it's an important distinction.

[-] Cha_Cha_cho 17 Points 4 months ago

I’d be more careful if I was in the US, I don’t have crazy bitches in my country thankfully

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[-] WalterEArmstrong 1 Point 4 months ago

Betas are a more timid bunch by nature and the threat of being falsely accused is bound to affect them more than it does alphas.

[-] stoicbotanist 5 Points 4 months ago

That fear should only come from an encounter with a particular female. Being afraid of a false accusation throughout your entire dating experience is a cop out, or an excuse, as the other reply to your comment said.

[-] Hjalmbere 1 Point 4 months ago

Think it’s a bit exaggerated. High risk target groups for false accusations would be celebrities, corporate big-wigs, and college students. If you belong to the two first groups, too bad. If you’re a student, don’t date on campus.

If you’re Joe Blow just check for red flags and you’ll be ok.

[-] therapistGetsSocial 13 Points 4 months ago

"American men under 30 are getting less sex" is the new "top alpha males are just 20%"

[-] NPC72521 2 Points 4 months ago

In their late 30s and early 40s

[-] hardly_incognito 84 Points 4 months ago

As a 25 year old, I've recently ramped up my game.

Biggest thing I remember was way back before my n-count was even at 10, I read a rule here that you should fuck around 25 girls before you consider settling.

I've lost count now, I'm not slaying as much as I'd like, but being at 25+ lays now, I see why.

What having sex with a lot of women does it really free up any potential oneitis. I don't get stuck up on girls near as much as I used too. Trust me here, I still get rejected plenty. But the thing is, the abundance mindset is cultivated not when you have abundance, but realize what is out there. I view women as a force of nature, and I see my types reappear time and time again. There's plenty a time where I've missed out on a certain kind of girl, only to be balls deep in one that has striking resemblances to the one I was tripping over several months later. Only difference? This one likes me!

If you've been lifting, dressing half-way decent, focusing on yourself... Then really all it takes to get laid is to get out there and meet girls.

That's where I'm at now. Cold approach is my new thing that I'm focusing on. Being in the right environment, the right mindset, everything just feels right for it. Oddly enough, cold approach is almost always the answer.

Two biggest words of advice I'd give guys looking to get laid regularly? Easy!

First, lift. This includes focusing on what you eat, then dressing accordingly so that you don't look like a highschooler.

Second? Approach. That's it! No context, no fucks given. Direct or indirect. No overthinking, simply taking action.

[-] Mangasbzo7 33 Points 4 months ago

The more women you fuck, the more you realize spending time & energy chasing pussy is a total waste of time.

Women are just a distraction from the boredom of life. They won't make you happy. Only you and your mission can do that

[-] Heizenbrg 12 Points 4 months ago

Do yoga too, it does wonders to your body and mind.
I have zero pain anywhere in my body, and I lift amazingly.

[-] hardly_incognito 6 Points 4 months ago

Any routines or videos you'd recommend?

I did powerlifting for a long time. Luckily didn't fuck up my body too much despite pushing some serious numbers. I still lift heavy now, but put more emphasis on volume.

For mobility I use a foam roller, do a few dynamic movements, then warm up with the bar & lower weight until I hit my working sets.

[-] Uberfeedus 9 Points 4 months ago

I went from being extremely depressed to a very vibrant person thanks to yoga and mindfulness. This video and master instruction by one of the best is irreplaceable. I've been doing yoga for 2.5 years, it basically saved my life. Despite some of the "vapid whores" comments, I've met all the most down to Earth chicks through yoga, and ones who practice Yoga. They are bubbly, vibrant and friendly.

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A couple tips would be to do your absolute best to not hold your breath. If I immediately start exhaling when I reach the top of my inhale, and vice versa, my balance is improved significantly. There isn't that momentary period of "oh shit I'm not breathing". Make a drishti (focal point) a major part of your practice. I find when I breath "into my tailbone" (I just focus on my tailbone when I inhale, and the feeling of it), or maintain a drishti, the ability to stay calm and balanced is much greater. The tendency to look around is a habit you should work on. Pick a small dot, or sharp corner, and just maintain focus. Follow the cues, listen to the philosophy, try lots of different styles (Yin is very enjoyable and intense despite the "lack" of movement), and short flows.

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Do this video + series and DON'T LOOK BACK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY5qGREnUi0&t=372s

[-] Heizenbrg 7 Points 4 months ago

Those mobility exercises are good but nothing beats an ancient practice centered on moving your bodies in all kinds of directions.
Depending on where you live I recommend finding a studio that has different offerings: Ashtanga, Vinyasa, Yin Yoga, Kundalini (Breath practice), Sivananda, Power Yoga.
Or try out different studios, Groupon and classpass are your friend. Mindfulness is sometimes offered in some studios as a spiritual mental practice as well.
Also lots of hot girls and not much competition, easy lays.
Biggest benefits is no back pain, great posture, amazing sex and amazing sleep.

[-] hardly_incognito 3 Points 4 months ago

Thanks brotha.

I recently moved to a college town (~30k students), so I'm sure I could find one easily. Again, much appreciated. May have saved my back.

[-] destraht 1 Point 4 months ago

I did hot Bikram yoga because it was next to my place. I found them to be very militant and weird.

[-] Heizenbrg 1 Point 4 months ago

The studio or the teacher? Just try somewhere else

[-] destraht 1 Point 4 months ago

It was ten years ago. I think that whole school is a bit much.

[-] BrownGummyBear 4 Points 4 months ago

I recommend you look up in YouTube “Yoga with Adrienne”. I’ve paid $0 for yoga (well, just my mat) and am enjoying the benefits in my mind and body :)

[-] clausternn 1 Point 4 months ago

but put more emphasis on volume.

What do you mean? What's your routine? How many sets do you do.

[-] hardly_incognito 2 Points 4 months ago

Depending on your level, here are some suggestions.

Starting off, obviously 5/3/1 or Starting Strength.

Intermediate I ran the Texas Method. Didn't enjoy that, then found Jonnie Candito and used his programs.

Recently I've gone over to Mike Israetel and purchased his 22-wk program. Have yet to follow it through, life and shit came up. So I'm re-doing a 6 week cycle of Candito's program before going back into it.

Both programs offer a lot of flexibility, and I can't say I follow them verbatim. I've lifted for 10 years now, so I'm fine with that personally.

[-] clausternn 1 Point 4 months ago

Cool, I'm doing a modified reddit PPL. I'm not sure what I would run as intermediate. Not even sure when the transition to intermediate happens to be honest...

[-] hardly_incognito 2 Points 4 months ago

Intermediate actually comes pretty quick. After about 6 months of consistent lifting, you begin to taper out.

The best way to really gauge it, for me, is based on strength. Once you stop getting huge gains and hit a plateau, you can either reset your beginner's routine or move onto something else. If you reset 1-2x and see little/no gains, then you're for sure at that range.

[-] daffy_duck233 1 Point 4 months ago

+1 for yoga. It helps with chronic pains and correct your posture as well.

[-] justlurking420 10 Points 4 months ago

I message so many women and they rarely respond. When they do they ghost me after like 2 messages

[-] 5baserush 18 Points 4 months ago

Tinder? The only way I ever got that to work was being super blunt and up front.

My opener, verbatim. "Wanna fuck?"

I went from no hits, to plating 4 chicks at a time.

I had a few directly say yes. I had a few play coy. Some said no, these were hit or miss. If they really trully mean no they'll straight up unmatch you.

Try to get a number in 2 or 3 messages. Otherwise its a waste if time and success rates plummet hard.

Move it to text as soon as you get that number and keep it business only. Setting up when and where.

I would suggest we meet up for coffee to make sure we're are both normal and not cat fishing.

If we met for coffee it was a 100% close rate. 95% of the time we went straight back to my place. The other 5% would meet up later.

Any sort of fancy word play, jokes, puns, deep convo is a huuuuuuuuuge waste of time.

[-] clausternn 3 Points 4 months ago

You must look like a top 10% male on your tinder photos. No way your advice is good for most men. Even a top 30% male wouldn't find any luck with okay-looking women using your advice.

[-] 5baserush 2 Points 4 months ago

Yeah I'm good looking. Doesnt mean this won't work for other people. I take shit pictures. And my game still sucked until I did this.

It completely changed tinder for me.

[-] Chaddeus_Rex 1 Point 4 months ago

Youre good looking. Ive tried the direct "wanna fuck" approach and scared off the women

[-] 5baserush 1 Point 4 months ago

On tinder? I would be terrified to do this in person.

[-] Chaddeus_Rex 1 Point 4 months ago

Did both on tinder and in person daygame. It doesnt work well with daygame. Only night game, calibrate ur approach unless ur good looking

[-] xxxtraicion 1 Point 4 months ago

Care to PM your pics? It would really give some substance to this, and you have my word I won't try to dox. You can delete after 12 hours.

[-] 5baserush 2 Points 4 months ago

I'm good looking. I've been called gorgeous once or twice in my life.

My body was meh due to laziness and injuries. White 6'3 190lb at the time. Tall and lean but still skinny fatish. I do have aesthetic proportions though.

I'm telling you man. My pictures were the same for months. The only thing that changed was how direct I was.

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[-] Jkarl1 1 Point 4 months ago

Thank you for using the app as it is intended!. People use it as a validation/dating/promo/LTR/marriage platform. It’s designed to fuck people! Anyone not on tinder for this reason is wrong.

[-] RuleTheOne 1 Point 4 months ago

Interesting do you believe online approaches lead to sex faster? Sure seems like it.

Because by the time you two meet up, she already knows what your intentions are.

[-] 5baserush 3 Points 4 months ago

Yep. You announce intentions immediately and talk as little as possible.

This saves time and gives you less opportunity to fuck things up lol.

[-] hardly_incognito 17 Points 4 months ago

Where are you meeting these women?

If it's online, that makes complete sense and should be disregarded. I check my Tinder once a day to do my 5 daily "super-likes" then move on. No point wasting more time on it than necessary. As for matches, arrange for a meet-up somewhere public, if they ignore you then no biggie. They may have been a troll account for all you fuckin' know. As many have laid out, the dating market online is trash. Even if you are in the top 20% of men.

Why? Because compared to face-to-face interactions it's much easier to disregard and turn someone away online. Multiple factors, they could just have so much shit blowing up their dating app that you slip through the cracks.

I work in sales, and this is why a lot of what I do is still in-person. Yes I could email, write, or call a lead, but what if I go in-person?

[-] xxxtraicion 1 Point 4 months ago

Let's think about the "many" who have laid out that "the dating market online is trash"

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Which is more likely? That in this digital, social-media age, cute girls aren't using tinder or some other app to make dating easy? Or that many girls are in fact using it, but the competition is quite difficult for most men.

I will grant you that it has gotten relatively more difficult in the past few years, but that doesn't mean it's not being used. It's also negligibly more difficult for women to snub someone in real life than online.

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[-] hardly_incognito 1 Point 4 months ago

I'm not opposed to it. I prefer cold approach as it pushes me more in terms of personal growth.

You can use Tinder passively, but if that's your main method of approach, then that's you. As for myself, I find more to gain by having to face to face interactions.

Why can't a person use both? It's not a this vs that argument.

[-] xxxtraicion 1 Point 4 months ago

Some of us are in careers that take up a lot of time, and maxing out pics for Tinder is likely a better ROI than cold approach. The occasions for cold approach might not be super-frequent either. Also cold approach won't be helped by studying or reading books and whatnot. If a girl is into you, you just need to have some semblance of smooth talking from my experience. It doesn't have to be perfect.

[-] hardly_incognito 1 Point 4 months ago

I feel you, I think the opposite. Then again I'm at the point where I can talk to girls throughout my day. I also live in a place with a high concentration of hot ass girls (college campus). Plus my career is also time consuming, so being proactive spontaneously and going for it seems to work for me.

To each his own, whatever works for you, well, works for you. Personally just got back from a Tinder date and while the chick wasn't half-bad, it was another one of those "hmm, you looked better in pictures" moments.

[-] stigma17 7 Points 4 months ago

Then talk to them in real life, they can either say no or yes in the moment. If you’re just messaging girls, then you’re not actually doing anything

[-] Chaddeus_Rex 5 Points 4 months ago

the abundance mindset is cultivated not when you have abundance, but realize what is out there

False. Abundance mindset is NOT realizing what is out there, it is knowing that you CAN GET whatever is out there.

If you there is a feast on the table, but you can't have any of it, then you starve and cannot have abundance until you start to regularly eat from the table.

[-] WeddingCrasher91 -1 Point 4 months ago

25 plates or 25 times you had sex?

[-] hardly_incognito 8 Points 4 months ago

25 different women I've slept with.

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[-] Shlomo_McGillicuddy 72 Points 4 months ago

Interesting that this correlates perfectly with the growth in use of online dating apps.

[-] eclectro 13 Points 4 months ago

I.e. are you saying, the more people use online dating apps, the less "lucky" they are??

[-] valenin 46 Points 4 months ago

Abundance allows pickiness.

Imagine you’re hiring for a job. You can only hire people who live in a five mile radius. The best candidate, Adam, may not be so great on a grand scale, but you’ll never see, talk to, meet, or interview anyone better. So you hire Adam.

But what if you could hire people from your state? Suddenly your chances of finding someone better than Adam is way better. And you’ll probably find better Bob. So now Adam has competition.

And then you look at your country. Now Adam’s a big fish in a small pond, and chances are he can’t compete with Charlie, the best guy in Eclectroland.

But then the internet comes along, and you can find the best candidates on the planet. Adam? Who’s Adam?

This is exactly what’s playing out on the meat markets. And women are, as they always have been, the ‘employers’ in the sexual marketplace, so the guys who are the global ‘top performers’ have ‘companies’ fighting for them and everyone else is just trying to pay the bills.

[-] RuleTheOne 18 Points 4 months ago

so the guys who are the global ‘top performers’ have ‘companies’ fighting for them and everyone else is just trying to pay the bills.

Great example for dating and the real world. The goal is to become a top performer.

[-] Angry_runt 2 Points 4 months ago

When the criteria are height and the shape of your face, good luck becoming a top performer in those.

[-] Rosace_89 5 Points 4 months ago

as a 6'6 with an above average face, there is waaaay more criterias than just those

so focus on improving the things you have control over

[-] nomsgplz 11 Points 4 months ago

Yeah right. You get matches on tinder because the girls found it attractive that how you dealt with your internal struggles, and they were absolutely blown away by your competence and philosophy of your life. Your height and face played very less role.

The waaaay more criteria bullshit is given to less attractive men, so they can become resourceful cucks.

Women's vagina have only one criteria; the best available dick available to her. All the other things are bullshit. But that bullshit is necessary for humans to progress. Back then, sex was given to the men who were resourceful and powerful. Now women themselves have the freedom to choose who to give sex, and they choose on the basis of absolute superficial things.

[-] andreas-mgtow 0 Points 4 months ago

Finally some Red Pill truth in a sea of BP cucked posts.

[-] MikeTRP 1 Point 4 months ago

The criteria on dating apps may be your picture but in real life wealth is also matters. See this pic of internet multi-millionaire Kim Dotcom who recently married a 22 year old. Granted, this is provider game but the point remains.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT9ip94VMAE4ywF.jpg

[-] Angry_runt 8 Points 4 months ago

He hired a prostitute on a long term contract, probably a lot more expensive than if she charged by the hour.

And that kind of wealth isn't something you can realistically expect no matter how hard you work, so it isn't a viable avenue of self improvement. A merely good salary won't cut it.

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[-] RedPilledGodEmperor 1 Point 4 months ago

This is actually a perfect example of dating and is so true.

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[-] RightHandWolf 62 Points 4 months ago

Interesting stats, but since they are "self-reported," how reliable are they? I suspect the true numbers for males not getting any are even higher, while the 18% figure for the females is probably lower, since women always understate their levels of sexual activity.

The numbers for living at the parents house have a built-in gender bias as well. Guys tend to go it alone. If they crash and burn, they can move back home, at least for a bit. There are quite a few places where the cost of housing and utilities alone are high enough to make roommates a requirement, but women have more options. They will have female roommates, or they can do the serial monogamy strategy. I imagine some of the more ruthless females are spinning plates themselves. Not for sex, since they seldom have that hurdle to jump. They trade sex to stay the night or the weekend and the guy probably thinks things are getting serious, but he's just one of several options she has. Some women have their own harems as well as the alpha males do.

[-] NPC72521 43 Points 4 months ago

The figures are almost certainly worse than reported. Not many people want to admit they are not getting any.

[-] 0io- 9 Points 4 months ago

The "high scorer" category starts at once per week in this study, too. Once a week is not all that great unless you're a sailor at sea or a parish priest. It would be interesting to see what the numbers look like for the sexually successful people.

[-] NPC72521 7 Points 4 months ago

Don’t flex. Once a week is pretty good unless you have some sort of sex addiction or constant need for reinforcement.

[-] 0io- 9 Points 4 months ago

If you're doing one night stands, once a week is great. If you have a regular girlfriend or plates, not so great.

[-] NPC72521 3 Points 4 months ago

Maybe so. I think it’s too costly in terms of time.

[-] Mangasbzo7 2 Points 4 months ago

Take it from someone who has sex with multiple women every week - once a week is good enough, and twice a week is the most you will want.

Beyond twice a week the utility of sex diminishes very rapidly. I fuck more than twice a week, and all different women, but srsly good sex once a week is more than enough

[-] Chaddeus_Rex 2 Points 4 months ago

and twice a week is the most you will want.

Maybe I am a horny bastard, but at one point I was getting sex at least 4x week from a single plate, and also had 2 other girls on the side. some days i'd go twice in a day, with two different women. Never got enough.

[-] 0io- 1 Point 4 months ago

To me that sounds like low libido, but I guess everyone is different? How are you having sex with multiple women each week but only once a week? You bring 6 of them over on Tuesday night or something?

[-] Mangasbzo7 2 Points 4 months ago

That's not what I said

I am fucking 3 girls regularly atm, like once a week each.

But to be honest, just sex once a week + maybe a BJ on another day of the week, would be more than enough

The other problem with having sex too regularly is that it stops exciting you. Sure, I get hard, but I really struggle to remember the last time I was genuinely mentally aroused & anticipating sex. It's become so routine

[-] 0io- 1 Point 4 months ago

Once a week each with 3 girls sounds a lot better than only having sex once a week. I can see how that would be enough, but I wonder about what kind of girl only wants sex once a week who isn't married for 20 years...

[-] Mangasbzo7 2 Points 4 months ago

Girls don't actually need to fuck that much tbh. Generally speaking they only really feel the urge to fuck once a month when they're ovulating

At first I was surprised the first time a girl told me she hadn't had sex in like 5 months, but now I've seen that sort of thing can actually be quite common

[-] Mangasbzo7 1 Point 4 months ago

I am fucking 4 girls atm. My personal best was back in November when I fucked 4 different girls in one week - and not the same 4 girls I am fucking now

The 80/20 rule is very much fact.

[-] [deleted] 3 Points 4 months ago

I've seen this first hand. Had an old fling message me out of the blue, try to blow me, then crash at my otherwise $50/night (airBnB) free for a weekend.

Later found out my place next to the hospital was chosen because her grandmother was getting Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID). Like fucks sake we broke up on good terms, I'm happy to let a girl I broke up with on great terms with crash for a family member getting MAID.

Later checked my instagram and found out she's still dating the same guy who lives 7 hours away. Why literally whore yourself when a simple "can I crash at your condo while my grandmother gets MAID" would have worked.

Like bitch you know I have a spinal cord injury and my junk hasn't worked since 2015

[-] JayRock379 1 Point 4 months ago

Why are you on this subreddit if your junk doesn't work?

[-] [deleted] 11 Points 4 months ago

Because I was bluepilled prior to being rear ended, sent into the path of a semi truck, and spending 8 months in rehab learning to walk again.

My ex was cheating on me as soon as I wasn't her meal ticket. No one was on my side while I was wondering why she was fucking some other dude while I was in ICU after everything I did for her. I get my MD in 2 months now, and she's still with the guy I know only as the guy my friend bought his coke from in 2013.

I can appreciate the insights even if I can't put them into practice.

Edit: ex who crashed in my condo was the first girl I dated after the accident

[-] JayRock379 1 Point 4 months ago

Will you ever be able to get your junk fixed?

[-] [deleted] 6 Points 4 months ago

Unlikely, sacral spinal issues aren't known for spontaneous recovery. It sorta works but between that and the pins holding my pelvis together I'm more or less impotent

At least I got back bowel and bladder control for the most part though

[-] JayRock379 3 Points 4 months ago

My sympathies man. Hang in there, sound like you're extremely lucky to be alive.

[-] ThisWickedMinistry 2 Points 4 months ago

Because some people think there is more to life than sex?

[-] JayRock379 1 Point 4 months ago

On a subreddit about having more sex?

[-] ThisWickedMinistry 7 Points 4 months ago

If you think the sidebar description of TRP doesn't stretch beyond boosting numbers, my dude you should probably read more of the sidebar. If that's all you want, the PUA community is that way ----->

[-] JayRock379 0 Points 4 months ago

Just curious. What is it that you get out of the red pill?

[-] ThisWickedMinistry 2 Points 4 months ago

The second half of the sidebar description:

[culture increasingly lacking] a positive identity for men.

Every thread that talks about increasing SMV does so in the context of self-improvement and self-actualisation. Setting goals, working on yourself, developing your career and realising your potential. For me, that is an end unto itself, not just a means to pull women. Women are not the goal, or even close to a priority. Making significant contributions to society through my work is.

I'm working to develop a positive identity for myself in a world that doesn't care. We're men, we're disposable. Women don't care about us, and nor should they. So why on earth would you care about them?

[-] [deleted] 3 Points 4 months ago

The mindset is useful, people talk about "monk mode" but it actually has really helped me find -"meaning" is the wrong word but I'll go with it- after the accident.

I've had sex a few times each year but really with my nerve damage it's not worth the hassle. Dealt with one crazy gold digger a year back that assumed a medical student on 2 year medical leave would have doctor money.

Still hoping I can find a girl who wants kids who's decent stock, but it doesn't consume me

[-] max_peenor 1 Point 4 months ago

how reliable are they?

Who cares? Reddit is having an existential crisis over this article. Some of the other subs have been hilarious. That alone makes it worth it.

[-] organicfluxx 1 Point 4 months ago

Which subs have been having a meltdown?

[-] max_peenor 1 Point 4 months ago

Sorry, I wish I kept more links, but I didn't. However I had a browser window still open with this one. https://archive.fo/ZL8cG. (The archive service is missing a lot of the comments).

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 49 Points 4 months ago

Only some of them.

Some are getting much more.

80/20 rule is already bad..but thanks to online dating, it's possible at some stage it's going to be 90/10......

[-] Enlightened_Chimp 37 Points 4 months ago

It's at least 90/10 if you're referring to attractive girls. If you're referring to less attractive girls then ya, maybe more like 80/20.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 19 Points 4 months ago

You know, you're probably right. I think you're the first person I've seen mention this.

[-] needless_pickup_line 4 Points 4 months ago

Similarly, I've seen some people say that 80/20 is applicable twice. That is, within the top 80% girls and 20% guys, the top 64% of girls are hooking up with the top 4% of guys.

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[-] Mangasbzo7 4 Points 4 months ago

There was an academic study posted on here a few months back where they found the number was actually more like 60/20 in reality.

And then when you extrapolate that to the broader population it basically meant the bottom 50% of men were getting no pussy whatsoever. This article showing how 30% of men age 30 & under have never had sex just confirms that

[-] nicethingyoucanthave 14 Points 4 months ago

Why do people assume the two numbers have to add up to 100?

“80 percent of a result is due to 20 percent of the inputs.” There’s nothing about that which precludes numbers which don’t add to 100. “90 percent of a result is due to 20 percent of the inputs”

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 0 Points 4 months ago

I think you have made an assumption.

It's correct that they don't have to add up; but (a) It's also correct that they can and (b) The numbers on the left have been constantly increasing while the numbers on the right have been constantly increasing, so it's not too unreasonable to pick a ballpark ratio of 90/10. It could certainly be 90/5 or 90/12 who knows....

So you assumed I assumed the two numbers had to add to 100 but in fact I didn't.

[-] CalfsOnDeck 47 Points 4 months ago

It's never been easier to get ahead fellas, no excuses.

[-] chubz4you 18 Points 4 months ago

This should be at the top. Quit being a loser and making the excuse that most people are in that boat.

[-] Truedemocracy4 7 Points 4 months ago

Yep. Half your competition isn’t even in the game because they’d rather jerk off and play vidya every night.

If you lift 3x a week and diet well you will be too 20% assuming no other crater shortcomings (shorter than 5’8, unemployed, physical disformity)

A guys face really doesn’t mean much if he’s jacked. 95% of men could become top 20% if they wanted. Almost none of them put in any work

[-] bitchpleasebp 2 Points 4 months ago

Yep have acne scars on my face and bitches still dtf

[-] Captaincanada6969 1 Point 4 months ago

How bad are yours? Mine are some of the worst Ive seen but honestly hearing someone able to get laid despite them is pretty motivating

[-] novalentineforyou 1 Point 4 months ago

Look into rejuvapen treatment. It can help your acne scars look better.

[-] bitchpleasebp 1 Point 4 months ago

They’re pretty deep man and I still get the occasional pimple. I’m still not extremely confident about them, but shit it is what it is. And since I like fucking bishes, it’s important to me what they think about my appearance. I remember meeting a chick at the club which was dark and I remember walking out and just really quickly considering what she’d think about the scars and when she saw my face in the light she was like omg I didn’t realize how cute and handsome you are and then she sucked my cock. But anyways it depends on the girl and if she finds you attractive. Dm a pic of your scars and I’ll do the same

[-] clausternn 1 Point 4 months ago

If you lift 3x a week and diet well you will be too 20%

Yah, after a year maybe. Even with a good diet and routine and everything, lifting is slow as fuck. Almost makes me wanna pin test.

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[-] FedoraTipper15 1 Point 4 months ago

30% of US males are shorter than 5'8, though. So 95% of guys couldn't do it

[-] blacklightsleaze 1 Point 4 months ago

I doesn't work like that. Your math is complete non sense. The bottom 80% can compete to enter top 20%. And when someone enter top 20% means that he will replace someone else.

[-] miamiedge 32 Points 4 months ago

The unemployment rate is artificially low because it doesn't include people who have given up and are not looking. This rate DOES include people who have given up. And those people are skyrocketing in numbers. That's why incels is becoming bigger and bigger.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 31 Points 4 months ago

Look, fellas, if you want to get laid then:

A. Put down the weed, videogames, shitty food.

B. Eat clean, get thee to the House of Iron.

C. Become the Prize

D. Go out and Day Game like it's your job. Or Night Game. Just go outside and talk to girls.

There is So Much Soy out there that girls are thirsty for masculine men. Train your body in the gym, train your mind with game. Slay pussy. Simples.

[-] Truedemocracy4 6 Points 4 months ago

Competition is terrible these days. Imagine trying to compete against men 50 years ago. Every man was thin, dapper, likely useful (handy).

Now if you have a worthwhile hobby (carpentry, music, not vidya and tv) you are already interesting and different. If you aren’t fat you’re above average. If you don’t wear graphic Ts you dress well. It’s so easy

[-] Chaddeus_Rex 2 Points 4 months ago

Eat clean,

For what purpose? If you wanna get huge (i'm a formerly skinny guy), eating clean just makes it hard to put on size.

And its calories in vs calories out anyway. If you lift heavy for 3 hrs a day you can eat anything you want.

[-] VasiliyZaitzev 4 Points 4 months ago

You say this because you're a young man. Eating clean matters. Just like you shouldn't smoke, abuse alcohol or do drugs. All that shit comes back to you and shows up on your face when you're 40.

[-] clausternn 2 Points 4 months ago

He probably meant don't get fat.

With lifting people need to make sure they get a crapton of protein, and it helps to get enough of every micronutrient (which means eating lots of vegetables and things like black beans, sweet potatoes, etc).

But besides all that you're right, it's easier to get the rest of your calories off of junk than clean food. IIFYM and all that. It's healthy to minimize sugar and minimize trans fat, but that's all, it's just healthy. Won't matter much aesthetically as long as your amount of calories are under control.

[-] Uesugi1989 1 Point 4 months ago

1000 calories of chicken and rice are completely different that 1000 calories of chocolate milk

[-] Chaddeus_Rex 1 Point 4 months ago

How?

There's no difference between calories. They are measured the same. If you exercise you wouldnt get fat.

[-] Uesugi1989 2 Points 4 months ago

It's not about getting fat, it's about getting ripped. After a workout for example your body needs protein and carbohydrates that are easily digested, if you eat the same amount of calories with trans fats, you won't have the same results

[-] TwentyEighteen 1 Point 4 months ago

Your body treats those calories differently. CICO is a myth

[-] Chaddeus_Rex 1 Point 4 months ago

How does it treat the calories? Cuz ive taken university courses on the matter and all we were ever taught was CICO

[-] masterpiece00 29 Points 4 months ago

So what?, literally call an escort (way hotter than normal girls anyway), fuck her and get on with your week.

This is both playing the system powerfully and getting your needs met. Win win.

[-] Dinosaur-Shaman 53 Points 4 months ago

It’s not playing the system powerfully, it’s literally wasting your resources and putting the pussy on a pedestal. If you can’t go out and meet hot women to fuck on your own, then you’re clearly wasting too much time chasing tail and not investing enough in yourself to attract hot women naturally. What you do with your money is your business, but don’t encourage others to buy pussy and pretend it’s alpha lmao.

[-] maha420 31 Points 4 months ago

This. Imagine if you used the same money to buy new clothes, hire a trainer, decorate your apartment, etc. Over time, this adds up. If we're talking $400/hr once a month (hot hooker but not high-end), you could probably even afford a new car. In no way does hiring a hooker improve your SMV. The opportunity cost is huge.

[-] tunsku 11 Points 4 months ago

In no way does hiring a hooker improve your SMV.

Yeah, but it might satisfy your dick.

[-] ShavedApel 5 Points 4 months ago

You need to make more money... 400$ is super high end, 3 hours pay for me gets an average girl.

[-] Standgrounding 2 Points 4 months ago

What are you working right now?

[-] ShavedApel 2 Points 4 months ago

I build and repair machines, as well as investing and have a small business.

[-] maha420 1 Point 4 months ago

$400 is not even close to super high-end. $1-2k/hr is what you'll pay for quality HB9's in LA that have stellar reputations and reviews. Raise your standards and invest your money wiser. It's not all about how much you can earn, but how you use it.

[-] ShavedApel 1 Point 4 months ago

I'm not in LA so I shouldn't say super high end. Where I live the best ones at the agencies I have been to never go over 300$ for a short session. Some of the best girls are the less expensive ones I had one for 100$ who was great but she moved away.

[-] WeddingCrasher91 6 Points 4 months ago

And what do fuckers like me are supposed to do? I spend every 4 months in remote desert areas due to my work, followed by a 10 day vacation only. How am i supposed to find plates and get my dick wet? The situation is tight, jobs are hard to come by, anyone with a job is latching to it with tooth and nail no matter how bad or shitty it is.

[-] SocialObserver01 3 Points 4 months ago

umm move to where the jobs are?

[-] WeddingCrasher91 2 Points 4 months ago

Maybe when I am lucky enough to live in a 1st world country. Currently this is the best job i can get,it pays decent though compared to others.

[-] Ochialoc 0 Points 4 months ago

Whinny on the internet won't help. Stop making excuses. The situation will always be hard. Improve yourself and having a positive attitude goes a long way. If you can't download tinder and have pussy in 10 days you need to lift waaaayyyy harder. Good luck and stop whining.

[-] WeddingCrasher91 5 Points 4 months ago

Nobody's whining. Just don't call getting escorts blue pilled. Already used tinder and got some matches. 30 pounds more to lose and everything should go according to plan :)

[-] skrrtrr 1 Point 4 months ago

But it absolutely fucking is blue pulled to call an escort. If that’s your only source of sex. If you can get girls but also sometimes want a hooker, sure, but only hookers? Blue pill, it is what it is.

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[-] Mangasbzo7 5 Points 4 months ago

Fucking hookers is useful. Think I have fucked Def more than a 100 hookers now (don't anymore bc my circumstances have changed), and fucking hookers helped me realize women are full of shit more or less the same way as I have realized women are full of shit from all the one I've fucked for free

[-] Dinosaur-Shaman 1 Point 4 months ago

Weird analogy, since fast food is cheaper than a four course meal, while my main argument is that paying directly for sex isn’t worth the cost or the damage to your ego.

Instead, look at having sex like winning a sports game; a victory for your hard work. Now, even though it costs time through effort and self improvement, the reward comes from knowing you earned your success.

Picture buying a hooker like paying off the ref before the game to just let you win. Sure the hooker might be hotter than any you normally fuck- a crooked ref might help you score more than you normally could. And at the end of the day, you still fuck either way, just like you’d still walk away with a W by bribing.

The difference, besides the obvious direct monetary cost, is a blow to your own self esteem. You have to decide if experiencing that one victory is worth knowing you had to pay someone to PRETEND as if you earned it. That’s your choice

[-] mallardcove 29 Points 4 months ago

Shame that a shit comment like this gets upvoted around here.

The entire purpose of this sub is sexual strategy so you don't have to pay a dime for sex

Take this garbage to MGTOW or Incels where such garbage content belongs

[-] SilkTouchm 11 Points 4 months ago

The entire purpose of this sub is sexual strategy so you don't have to pay a dime for sex

Time is an asset. Your most valuable asset. You're just paying with time instead of money.

[-] Mangasbzo7 7 Points 4 months ago

Lol echo, what the other guy who replied to this said.

You make it sound like paying for sex should be punishable by death lol. What you don't seem to understand is that every man pays for sex, one way or another. Not every man pays the same price or necessarily in the same way, but every man pays for it in some way. I'll let you take that one away and think about it.

Also, when you are rich, your time is way more valuable to you than your money. Why spend days on tinder etc looking for a bitch to fuck when I can just drop $200 and get the same result instantly. When you rich you got other more important things to think about than pussy

[-] masterpiece00 4 Points 4 months ago

Dude, you ALWAYS pay for sex, and you are paying much more for these entitled women strutting around swiping left and right looking for the RIGHT PRINCE and getting a free ride from each suitor as they do so. 3 dates one kiss if you are lucky, that will be $860.

[-] mallardcove 2 Points 4 months ago

Spoken like a true MGTOW loser.

[-] masterpiece00 -1 Point 4 months ago

And you read it on a forum you frequent, full of men that discusses strategies to act like an alpha male to get women to notice/sleep with them and not those natural alphas that have never been online.
But you're here for other reasons, you're not a loser.

[-] ShavedApel 2 Points 4 months ago

This sub is a sexual strategy sub and this is the most basic guaranteed strategy. If some guys want to use this tool in his arsenal that's his choice. Working on physique and game is the more endorsed strategy but even that is putting in work (paying) indirectly.

MGTOW and Incels are for the most part against paying for sex fyi.

[-] glad2besad 5 Points 4 months ago

MGTOW are not opposed to paying for sex or having sex with girls in general.

They are Red Pilled guys (often divorced) who think chasing girls and LTRs are a very low ROI.

That’s it. Incels aren’t even close.

Curious why you group the 2 together?

[-] mallardcove 1 Point 4 months ago

It's not a strategy, its cheating, its a short cut.

[-] RichKingOfBangmar 2 Points 4 months ago

You can use money for that? No fair, you have more money than me! Mom, he's cheating!

[-] ShavedApel 2 Points 4 months ago

Lmao, he went to the gym and got buff he's cheating too.

[-] RedPilledGodEmperor 1 Point 4 months ago

Being in great shape is also a "short cut" when it comes to gaming women. The guy whose in great shape will have a much easier time getting laid than the fat slob.

Also, while I don't pay with sex, making the kind of money to where dropping $200 on a chick doesn't affect you financially takes a lot of fucking hard work. Unless you are a trust fund baby.

[-] clausternn 1 Point 4 months ago

This 100%

What's gonna get upvoted next? "Watch porn every week so you save both time and money"?

[-] ConfusedRoo 29 Points 4 months ago

Yeah, and you expect them to pay for an escort with what? The first wages out of college that goes towards covering the loan you got just to get a degree? Or with the money they're saving to get the hell out of their parent's basement, if they can even save.

[-] RedPilledGodEmperor 13 Points 4 months ago

Exactly. Out of curiosity, I looked up how much escorts are per hour and they are really expensive. Maybe for someone in mid 30s making $150K+, it can be done once a month, but not for someone making $65K (still a decent salary, but not enough to live solo in a decent place around a major city). Even then, I would much rather a chick who actually wants to fuck me as sex is better when she truly does

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[-] daveed1297 7 Points 4 months ago

Do you actually think this is Alpha behavior? Paying thousands of dollars to fuck some actor when you can have girls on their knees for you just by being a man doesn't sound like what TRP is about.

[-] SilkTouchm 10 Points 4 months ago

can have girls on their knees for you just by being a man

Lol

Unless you're Tom Cruise or something you're still going to need to battle trough ASD and waste hours "getting to know each other". Time is your most valuable asset.

[-] daveed1297 0 Points 4 months ago

Could not disagree more. I have fucked 4 of the past 6 first dates I've been on, I barely text and don't even know the last names of these girls. Smash the gym, dress well, and be in control of the encounter and you'll be getting head in the car. If you want a screenshot of my texts let me know

[-] SilkTouchm 1 Point 4 months ago

You have a 33% failure rate. That's quite an amount of time wasted. How long are your dates? how much time do you spend with them after you've fucked them? how much time do you spend dressing well? that's at least a shower, drying your hair, shaving if you have to, etc.

What if instead of spending all that time doing that, you spent it working, and in turn earned $2000? would you really mind paying $500 for a thot to come over and fuck her? it's just basic economics.

[-] daveed1297 1 Point 4 months ago

I send fewer than 25 texts to each of them before meeting. Date is ice cream that they pay for more often than not, and some get to know you banter. Fuck for an hour, go home. On dates that don't pan I don't waste time because I have fun regardless. If I like how the first meeting goes they might enter the rotation. Many of them like that I'm in a management role for a bank, but anyone can help their frame and lift.

Here's a typical text convo with my 2nd plate

And also from my [main plate](https://i.imgur.com/U7b0nLg.jpg

[-] SilkTouchm 2 Points 4 months ago

I didn't ask for your texts and I don't know why you're so desperate to show them. You dodged all of my questions.

[-] clausternn 1 Point 4 months ago

Dejsiab? Is that a real name? Sounds like her mom had a stroke wtf

[-] Mangasbzo7 5 Points 4 months ago

Lol your neighbour is using his money very inefficiently. If you do want to pay for it there is way to get it cheaper and better quality

[-] [deleted] 6 Points 4 months ago

Yea that's absolutely true. He told me he has only like 120K in savings at 45 yrs old unmarried, so I think he just blows all his money and doesn't give a fuck. He's very much the loner/intellectual type

[-] RedPilledGodEmperor 5 Points 4 months ago

I couldn't justify spending a little over a third of my income on pussy. I love sex and would love to be able to consistently have sex once 1-3 times a week, but that's pretty crazy. At that point, it would be easier to go on bumble/tinder/hinge/etc. and say you're some rich dude with a sick place. Many women would come over just for the chance to hang out in a luxury place.

I get that rich people spend money on escorts and expect it, but spending a third of your income on escorts is outrageous. If he went from spending 33% to maybe 10%, which is $14,000, still would have a good amount of sex from hot chicks.

Also, that extra $30K per year or so could be used towards investing in stocks/real estate, travel, cool experiences and other things much better than some pussy.

[-] Chaddeus_Rex 2 Points 4 months ago

because that's around $300 per girl.

That's like $150/hr - standard price. Why the fuck would I want to order a girl for 2 hours? I am just done getting warmed up after 2 hours. I like to fuck my girls all night long. And a girl for the entire night costs about $1000.

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 4 months ago

52 weeks 3 girls a week = 156 girls a year. 156 girls $300 = $46,800

And yea more power to you if that's your thing. I usually cum in like 15 minutes so 1 hour is all I need.

[-] Nighthawk_Black_ 23 Points 4 months ago

I've been with a few escorts over the years the experience is way better than being with the majority of women.

[-] Shlomo_McGillicuddy 14 Points 4 months ago

Agreed. A lot more "civilian" women are getting into porn/escorting and the experience is better than some lame Tinder hookup. Plus they do as they're told and don't make demands.

[-] Mangasbzo7 4 Points 4 months ago

Ironically it's actually kind of a good thing prostitution is illegal for you yanks. Bc a whore knows if she wants her customers to risk coming back again she has to give them a good time

Here in Europe it's legal and by and large the prossies are terrible. As ever, I guess that's the price you pay for freedom

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[-] WeddingCrasher91 2 Points 4 months ago

Jesus i fucked model escorts that i wouldn't even have dreamed of gaming and seducing. Fake tits and ass, the ones i used to fantasize about when i was a kid, thinking how lucky are the men who are fucking them. Hell i even fucked a pornstar....

[-] Nighthawk_Black_ 4 Points 4 months ago

The escorts I've been with have been stunning and the experience has helped me a lot with knowing what I want in relationships.

[-] Dinosaur-Shaman 1 Point 4 months ago

Your logic here is “the sex I’ve had with women I’ve paid to fuck has been better than the sex I’ve had with women I’ve been able to pickup, therefore sex you pay for is better than the sex you don’t”.

Now, are escorts probably better than average at sex? Sure, they do it for a living, they better be decent at it. But do you really think it’s likely that a majority of women are really awful at sex, OR is it more like that a majority of the women you’ve been able to actually attract in the past just weren’t that skilled/hot/enthusiastic?

The burden is on you, as a red pilled man, to lead a successful, exciting life that naturally draws in the sort of girls you fantasized about fucking as a kid. Sex with a plate isn’t a good as the sex you had with a hooker?Figure out why tf it’s not, and communicate whatever the issue is with your partner like a normal human being to work it out lol.

Does that mean that you’re automatically a blue pilled cuck if you dropped some Benjamin’s on a hooker once or twice? Probably not. But making a habit of paying women to pretend to enjoy taking a ride on your dad bod sounds pretty beta to me. Edit:spelling

[-] daymi 1 Point 4 months ago

But making a habit of paying women to pretend to enjoy taking a ride on your dad bod sounds pretty beta to me.

I agree. But going to hookers in the first place is already something that society looks down upon and you took the first step in getting freedom for yourself by going to a hooker and thus removing a lot of power from women. Just don't keep doing that specific thing forever. Also, damn, are hookers provider hunting. The latter lesson was worth it all by itself.

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[-] furcryingoutloud 21 Points 4 months ago

I am continually amazed at the idealistic views of the Red Pill on this sub. Hire a hooker and you're suddenly blue pill. Says the guy that's never spent 10k on a night out with a bunch of call girls.

Wanna be alpha? Make money. When you're making over a mil a year, you seriously gonna worry about paying some call girl for no effort sex? Go ahead and become really alpha with your limited lame assed mind. 150k a year is for betas. Alphas want the world, not a good job.

Hookers? They are all fucking hookers. That LTR with no red flags? Yeah, let a guy making ten times what you're making circle her for a few weeks and tell me how that went. If after becoming as red pill as you think you may be, you're not losing sleep about how to gain money and power, the truth is you should begin from scratch and start reading the sidebar again.

You think that in the end, it counts how many women you were able to seduce because you were really really red pill? Oh you never paid for sex. Yeah, cause you're always broke. But even if you think you don't pay for sex, you will. You do. You will. You dumb fucks.

[-] [deleted] 6 Points 4 months ago

I mostly agree. But there's definitely blue pill beta losers out there making 500K-1M per year. And them relying on escorts is just keeping them where they are.

There's a balance. You should see an escort every once in a while if you haven't been laid and just want sex. But you should also still try to pickup and fuck girls and to keep your game on point

[-] furcryingoutloud 9 Points 4 months ago

But there's definitely blue pill beta losers out there making 500K-1M per year. And them relying on escorts is just keeping them where they are.

There is no doubt that there are plenty of fucking blue pilled idiots that make huge amounts of money. Just for kicks and giggles, look up Grant Cardone and then we can talk about lame pills. Most of those fucking idiots marry some hooker and think they found their unicorn. They get to fuck a 9/10 and fall in love. The hilarious thing is that they come to really believe that this instagram slut is in love with them. Oh please! Then those are the guys whose wives (ex-hookers) don't ever want me around their husbands. They've been heard saying how I would corrupt them.

I had a guy walk away from a deal because I had my attorney put a clause in the shareholder's agreement that upon any of the shareholder's death, the remaining shareholders had first right to buy the deceased's shares. He wanted his "wife" to keep the shares. Like I'm ever going to let some thot into the board. "she's smart!" he says, "fuck yeah she's smart, convinced you didn't she?". GTFO

But you should also still try to pickup and fuck girls and to keep your game on point

See, there's that little word "try". In my life, it's come to the point that I've grown lazy. I think that if I have to sit down with a woman and listen to her describing her fucking feelings one more time, I might just turn into a serial killer. Game for me would be sitting in a restaurant and watching grown fucking men pander to thots.

I see no issues in having sugar babies or paying for hookers. I don't need to listen to anyone's bullshit life problems and put up with anything. I have a few long term sugar babies and you know why I don't spin plates? Because it's work. And you know what I do with work? I fucking pay someone to do it. Anything other than me walking into a hotel room and asking "you hungry?" is way too much hassle for me. Hell, I may have my assistant get her dinner before I show up.

And yet, some of these sugar babies want to marry me. Fuck my life.

Look, I see no problems in learning to be and becoming a player. By all means, learn it all. But when kids concentrate only on getting pussy, I'd like to run them over with a Maserati only because I would hate to get the Lambo dirty. But then again, I'm 55 and fucking coarse from all the bullshit. Maybe I should write something up about how fucking people change around you when you make lots of money. It's fucking disgusting.

Not trying to tell anyone how to live. Do what you like, don't be like me. But for Christ's sake, learn to make money. You think you're doing good with women 'cause you all badassed red pilled? Make some fucking money and feel the power. You think Trump was kidding when he said you can grab them by the pussy? No, he was not kidding. THAT is the reality. I don't like Trump for many reasons, but there is no honor in saying he's wrong about that one bit of red fucking pill truth.

Don't be like me.

[-] ShavedApel 6 Points 4 months ago

People who have never made serious money will never understand this. When you earn enough to have more sex than is possible you don't even consider plating or dealing with women who you don't fully enjoy being around.

Its funny to read about guys spending mental energy trying to manage plates or why there girlfriends are acting a certain way.

[-] furcryingoutloud 4 Points 4 months ago

It's fine if they never make the money. Not everyone is meant to make money. Trust me, not everyone would actually enjoy the realities of making money. Some of those very same guys will come here and talk about how you don't need money to be alpha. And they'd be right, if you were a fucking lion living in the African tundra.

But in our world, the one where we all live, it's all about the fucking money. I don't like it, I hate what people become when they see it, smell it, or get close to it. Most people become fucking asskissers and meek little pissy sluts.

I come from an extremely red pill background. From both sides of my family. When I was 16, one of my uncles pulled me aside and told me, "there are two things in life you never fall in love with, cars and women". I've been surrounded by that kind of shit all my life. My parents divorced when I was 14. My father went full MGTOW. Never again I heard him say. And never again it was. He was gaming until he died. In his late seventies, he asked me for money to pay his steady hooker. I would deposit money into her account monthly and she made him happy.

Having said all that, I am wholeheartedly in favor of kids learning to game women. But I really would prefer to see you guys begin to understand that the same game that is shown in the red pill, also works for every single fucking human being on this fucking planet. So use it to make money. Create passive income.

I don't blame anyone for wanting to get laid. Fuck no. But when I come here and talk all this shit, it's just me trying to lay some wisdom on your young asses. I say to you what I wish someone would have told me when I was in my 20's.

Just try to understand that if you put as much energy into making money now as you do into trying to get your noodle wet, when you're thirty, you'll need a fucking shovel to get rid of all the pussy hanging around your front yard. Sure, learn to game, apply that game to life. And you won't have to game women, they will be trying to game you.

[-] ShavedApel 1 Point 4 months ago

Wow direct deposit hookers that's savage. Maybe I am self rationalising because I lack game but my past girlfriends wanted me as much as I wanted them. There was no game just being yourself (assuming you're not a loser) and attracting someone who likes you for whatever reason.

[-] furcryingoutloud 5 Points 4 months ago

And that is awesome in and of itself. Believe me. But let me paint a picture for you. You're buff, good looking, young, hard dick, tanned. A true full package. Now take that package and park it in a Ferrari. Park that Ferrari in the underground garage of a 7000 Sq ft mansion. With indoor and outdoor heated swimming pools. Ride the elevator up to your 1000 sq ft bedroom where one of your 3 maids has your drink ready and the jacuzzi in your bedroom already smoking, because your assistant knew he/she had to call ahead and prepare the house for you before you arrive, cause you want to relax with one of your paid plates who a private car you pay for will bring later.

This paid plate knows you have a few exotic cars that she'll never see. She only gets to ride one of those black cars you hire to take and bring people to where you need them to be. As a matter of fact, very few people ever get to ride in your cars because you didn't buy them to show them off, you couldn't give 3 fucks who knows about them or not. Nobody has your private number. People have to call your assistant if they want to talk to you. Your employees dread being called to a meeting at your lawyer's office, it usually means they're going to be fired. Nobody knows anything about where you are or where you're headed to unless you authorize it. Take a trip somewhere and burn the return flight because you decided to change itinerary on a whim.

Girl got too comfortable? Get dressed and leave, your assistant, or one of the attorneys in the firm you keep on retainer will be by to make sure she packs and leaves before you get back. They'll have the funds available to rent her a place if she complains about not having where to go. Offer her a few month's worth of funds until she can get off her feet.

Take whatever your past girls felt for you and multiply it by all of the above. Then tell me what you honestly think.

Does anyone here even know how much money it actually takes to pull off a life like that? Has anyone here ever bothered to design the sort of life they would like to live in their mind? Or is being able to snag some free pussy all that really matters?

[-] Mangasbzo7 2 Points 4 months ago

To use a phrase women frequently use:

"Yaaaaaasssss."

The true redpill is not learning how to conquer women, but learning how to conquer the world that women become a given.

Scarface said it best.

[-] Mangasbzo7 5 Points 4 months ago

Exactamundo.

That's what a lot of guys on here don't get bc even in their 30s they're still mentally stuck trying to win their high school popularity contest.

Your ability to get various womens cellphone numbers into yours is not real power. When you have so much money you can buy these hoes, and the fucking cell company too if you want, thats what real power is.

The true redpill is applying the capitalist mindset to women, and everything else beyond that.

[-] [deleted] 3 Points 4 months ago

See, there's that little word "try". In my life, it's come to the point that I've grown lazy. I think that if I have to sit down with a woman and listen to her describing her fucking feelings one more time, I might just turn into a serial killer. Game for me would be sitting in a restaurant and watching grown fucking men pander to thots.

I guess my comments are more directed to young 20s guys like me. I think game is definitely a skill that you need to learn a little bit about. But yea, if you're 55 and wealthy, there's no reason to continue grinding on approaching girls/spinning plates unless you enjoy it. But telling a 25 year old guy that he doesn't need any game and to just make lots of money and buy hookers isn't going to be the best choice for him in regards to being successful.

Look, I see no problems in learning to be and becoming a player. By all means, learn it all. But when kids concentrate only on getting pussy, I'd like to run them over with a Maserati only because I would hate to get the Lambo dirty. But then again, I'm 55 and fucking coarse from all the bullshit. Maybe I should write something up about how fucking people change around you when you make lots of money. It's fucking disgusting.

What should they be doing? Focusing on getting money, or?

Also, this is some pretty good stuff. I'd love to read more about what you have to say, you should write up some articles or something and post them here.

[-] furcryingoutloud 3 Points 4 months ago

As simply as I can make it. Most guys here are trying to learn how to get fish from the supermarket for less money. I'd love it if they dedicated a little bit more time to learning how to make bait, set the bait and watch the fish roll in.

There was a story my grandfather told me once. I'm sure people here have heard it plenty of times. Here is a reminder.

An old bull and a younger bull were standing on top of a hill looking down at the herd of cows grazing. The young bull turns to the old bull and says, "Let's run down there, grab a cow and fuck her!" The old bull looks at the young bull and says, "Why don't we WALK down and fuck'em all?"

Quit thinking like the young bull.

[-] RedPilledGodEmperor 2 Points 4 months ago

Damn. I heard that from my father before and never quite got the meaning of it. Now I truly understand the phrase.

[-] furcryingoutloud 1 Point 4 months ago

Awesome man! I'm here all week.

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 4 months ago

Lol, I have heard that saying once before: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zUS-HegxDzw&t=14

[-] furcryingoutloud 1 Point 4 months ago

Haha, I heard it first from my grandfather... I'm glad it gets around.

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[-] Mangasbzo7 3 Points 4 months ago

He not saying making money makes you alpha, just that paying for pussy is not necessarily beta.

Like he said eventually you realize all women are basically prostitutes, so if you have the simoleons to carry a shitload of prostitutes on your shoulders it actually mark of high value man

[-] Mangasbzo7 2 Points 4 months ago

Someone give this guy the key to the city.

Thank you. Exactly my thoughts also

[-] TheImpossible1 8 Points 4 months ago

Except sex workers are hateful fucks that we should not be funding. Seriously look at their constant defending of what Cardi B did.

Then again, maybe being drugged and robbed is your kink.

[-] [deleted] 5 Points 4 months ago

It does feel wrong that these girls can make 5-10K in a week just for laying on a bed and spreading their legs.

But legalizing prostitution is the only thing that can save this society from imploding upon itself (aside from reverting to 1950s era monogamy, which will never happen at this point). With 80% of males "going their own way", not getting any sex, and having no motivation to work harder and contribute to society, our country is going to go straight down the shitter.

Legalizing prostitution would allow the beta male work force to keep working hard for an incentive... and it would also reduce the price, reduce STD risk, reduce the # of girls scamming guys, and make the girls put more competitive effort into pleasuring and providing their customers with a good experience.

[-] TheImpossible1 1 Point 4 months ago

I don't care if society implodes as long as women feel the brunt of the collapse.

[-] RichKingOfBangmar 3 Points 4 months ago

They never will. Conquered men are slaughtered, conquered women are bred. The French thots who bounced on Nazi occupier dick just had their heads shaved as punishment.

Women will always be shielded from the negative consequences of their actions; the only viable solution is to take away their autonomy. Autonomy is for those who have to deal with consequences.

[-] [deleted] 0 Points 4 months ago

Hahaha, my exact feelings at this point

[-] therapistGetsSocial 4 Points 4 months ago

how could I explain this to you?...

An escort can't sell sincerity or honesty to you... the sincerity and honesty a top male gets for free...

By definition, sincerity can't be sold or hired...

[-] masterpiece00 7 Points 4 months ago

No women are capable of sincerity and honesty. And who cares whatever this cosmopolitan new wave gift THEY give, all we want is their body for a few moments.

[-] Mangasbzo7 5 Points 4 months ago

'Sincerity' lol..... Most women are only good for their pussy. Their 'sincerity' is meaningless

That's not to say I don't value the companionship i've had with certain bitches, but get your head out the sand thinking a woman's 'sincerity' actually means anything lol

She's not yours, it's just your turn. She is just using you until the day she finds something better. Accordingly, you should use her the fuck back

[-] therapistGetsSocial 2 Points 4 months ago

would you rather a woman lied to you about yourself being a top male because she doesn't think you are, instead of her telling you you are a top male because she really thinks so? do you prefer being a top male, or being lied about it?

[-] Mangasbzo7 3 Points 4 months ago

Don't know why you're asking questions you know the answer to.

The point I was making was that a woman's word is not her bond. She can say one thing to you and then completely change her mind the next day. Thats why their sincerity is meaningless.

The only honesty you should care about from a woman is the level of honesty that's required to fuck her. Anything she says beyond that take with a truckload of salt. Anyway don't let these bitches get close enough to you, that you care about anything she has to say other than what it takes to fuck her

[-] [deleted] 2 Points 4 months ago

If she's able to fully convince you that she's sincere, is that any different from her being genuinely sincere?

[-] therapistGetsSocial 2 Points 4 months ago

would you rather a woman lied to you about yourself being a top male because she doesn't think you are, instead of her telling you you are a top male because she really thinks so? do you prefer being a top male, or being lied about it?

[-] PS2Errol 2 Points 4 months ago

Who gives a fuck about sincerity?

[-] therapistGetsSocial 0 Points 4 months ago

would you rather a woman lied to you about yourself being a top male because she doesn't think you are, instead of her telling you you are a top male because she really thinks so?

[-] Thirstquencherr 17 Points 4 months ago

Blocked in the EU. Mirror?

[-] TheRedPike 3 Points 4 months ago

Give this a try: http://archive.fo/ixyQb

Let me know if it works for you. If it does, I'll pin it for the thread.

EDIT: even for me there is a big fat error message at the top of the page, but if you scroll down the actual article is there.

[-] RightHandWolf 1 Point 4 months ago

Just for fun I tried your link:

Access Denied You don't have permission to access "http://www.washingtonpost.com/video/c/embed/a72935f6-3af9-11e6-af02-1df55f0c77ff" on this server. Reference #18.5d02655f.1553976345.b8fa32e

[-] TheRedPike 1 Point 4 months ago

Whoops. I meant to mention this. Scroll down. The actual article is there.

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[-] TheWhiskeyTickler 1 Point 4 months ago

::laughs in American::

[-] VivekPC 16 Points 4 months ago

Not just American men, tbh. This shit is happening everywhere.

[-] RichKingOfBangmar 3 Points 4 months ago

Everywhere women are liberated.

[-] O--- 2 Points 4 months ago

Everywhere in the West*, I'd say.

[-] MarquisDePaid 4 Points 4 months ago

Don't notice too many coincidences Mr Goy

Just because things in South America/Asia and Africa are more "fertility friendly" is just because of like individual choices or something

[-] VivekPC 3 Points 4 months ago

Feminist ideas have spread in the East as well, even though the word 'feminism' itself may not be well known. Look at countries like India and China, for example.

[-] CryingHappyMonkey 7 Points 4 months ago

So if the amount of sex men have has decreased in proportion to women, what does that mean? Are the women having sex with each other? Are they all having sex with the same smaller number of guys?

[-] ShavedApel 6 Points 4 months ago

Yes and yes.

80/20 rule read the sidebar, and also women would rather have sex with women than beta males.

[-] Mangasbzo7 6 Points 4 months ago

Lol let that sink in.

Increasingly, women who are not homosexual would rather have sex with other women, a genetic dead end & someone who can't protect or provide for them, than even entertain the thought of having sex with a beta male.

Roflmaaao

[-] Truedemocracy4 6 Points 4 months ago

Lol never heard this take but it’s so fucking true. They’d rather make out with their fucking friends to entertain an alpha than a beta male

[-] CryingHappyMonkey 2 Points 4 months ago

The answers to my question were obvious, particularly to anyone in this subreddit. The real question is why weren't those questions explored in the article.

[-] RightHandWolf 3 Points 4 months ago

If I had to guess why those points weren't mentioned in the article, I'd say "consider the source." They are a newspaper, so being a media outlet equals having a vested interest in preserving the status quo. They aren't about to rock the boat by raising questions that have very uncomfortable answers. The reason for not rocking the boat is that the economic fallout from all of these new dating dynamics is beginning to show up. Commercial entities that depend on the traditional arc of "first comes love, then comes marriage" are taking a big hit. Victoria's Secret is closing stores. So are chains such as Destination Maternity and the Gap. Toys 'R' Us is bankrupt. Some might try to claim that Walmart and Amazon have accounted for the retail decline. Bullshit. Traditional dating and relationships have been flushed down the shitter, so all of the discretionary spending that used to be tied to the mating game is going elsewhere.

[-] RightHandWolf 3 Points 4 months ago

The Pareto Principle is a concept that basically spells out the 80/20 split. This occurs in a lot of things, but for our purposes, this is the meme of how 80% of the women online are chasing after the top 20% of the males. This has been confirmed by some of Tinder's own data analysis, and I'm sure somebody's posted a topic about it here recently.

That's the bad news. The good news is that if you work on yourself, you can be in the top 20%. Not on a global scale or even a country wide scale, but on a local scale. Lift. Eat right. Put together a decent and stylish wardrobe and develop some game and social skills. Do those things, and unless she's some sort of globe trotting socialite, you can be in the top 20% of her available options in real life. A big fish in a little pond, maybe, but you gotta start somewhere, right?

[-] CryingHappyMonkey -1 Point 4 months ago

Thanks for the advice, but I'm already good.

[-] russian_nigger 7 Points 4 months ago

that's why prostitution should be legal and more acceptable in this fucking country. if you travel outside the "free" america, you'll notice a huge difference in attitudes where pussy is for sale everywhere. women are less cuntish and entitled and men are happier as well. people are more or less normal.

[-] 11-Eleven-11 6 Points 4 months ago

Confirmed. I'm 21 and not getting any.

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[-] tchower 3 Points 4 months ago

Again, even though we have so much online dating and social media to reach out to woman, woman are still really picky and only go for the top 20 percent of men or whatever is above their SMV, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, because as woman go up in power, the men beneath them or even men equal to them become invisible.

[-] Pokeylaw 2 Points 4 months ago

Reading the comments here frustrates me tono end I understand the 80/20 rule but as more and more research comes out it's like trying to win a race that keeps moving the finishing line I know I shouldn't think of it that way bc your always trying to improve yourself but goddamn. Literally the only thing I can do is keep moving forward

[-] RightHandWolf 1 Point 4 months ago

The only thing I can do is keep moving forward.

That's the Cliff's Notes summary of the Red Pill, right there. Keep moving forward, keep pushing, and when you reach this or that goal, ramp it up. This applies to everything, whether it's playing guitar, writing code or fitness achievements. If you don't keep moving forward, you're going to fall way behind. A little faith in yourself is all you need, grasshopper. Hang in there!

[-] INNASKILLZ2K18 1 Point 4 months ago

The more I read about America, the more I realise what a shit show it's become. For a while I thought 'surely it can't be that bad'. After these comments, I'm beginning to envision that it must be awful. Your current generation of young men sounds completely emasculated.

Thank god I have Australian blood through and though. We're sort of wired to be at least somewhat masculine.

[-] Mangasbzo7 1 Point 4 months ago

The one thing I will add to this that may be some consolation for the incels lol, is that even as top 20% chad there is only so many women that you can fuck at once.

Mainly bc women are largely a hassle to put up with, so at some point having 2x, 3x or 4x the hassle of one just becomes too fucking much.

Thus there are a lot of girls I've kicked to the curb. Being pumped and dumped without warning is very damaging to the weak female pysche. It's perfect opportunity for a bottom 80% dude to come in and get the sloppy seconds lol

[-] IvyExcess 1 Point 4 months ago

Ha true. It's funny to see guys around town smile at me cause they got to fuck a girl I got tired of and think they pulled her from me. If they only knew the truth...

[-] bonivermectin 1 Point 4 months ago

This article is a recruitment tool for the LDS

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[-] RealisticKiwi 1 Point 4 months ago

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