what kind of advice is that??!! "date women you don't like". it's these kind of posts that sometimes leave me wondering what kind of mentality towards life is being sold here

I'd recommend this more for the experience of physical escalation and technique than for the "practicing alpha-ness" bit. I don't improve my ability to not care about a Ferarri by not caring about a Yugo, but learning to shift and use the clutch properly applies well to any car.

Just to reiterate, practice is fine guys but DON'T FUCK THE FATTIES.

This is like feeding pigeons and other wildlife at the park. You are giving these ham-planets validation for their all-about-the-bass bullshit mentality and ruining the ecosystem for everyone else. Girls these days just keep downing cupcakes and embracing their "curves" because so many desperate betas are still willing to worship them. Actual pretty girls are becoming more and more rare such that normal 7s now think they are 9's and 10s.

It's not worth the disease risk. Go jerk off at home.

Can confirm. Used this exact trick on a girl who I thought had a 50/50 chance of issues (sheltered girl kind of thing) with sex, which I of course need.

Said, fuck it, even if its a peg lower on the SMV chart to do this, if the coinflip is in my favor, good girl. If not, then I bail nothing lost. Either way I had the frame that I expected it to not work. Natural frame, passed shit tests I didnt realize were shit tests until I thought back a few minutes after it happened due to natural frame.

Works fantastically.

The thing about TRP-minded individuals or individuals adopting TRP is that they will hopefully recognize a failed strategy when they experience it. Beta males will attribute a failed strategy to the woman having flaws instead of really understanding that there is a bad approach, there is a good approach and there is a better approach.

Everything a beta male learns about girls is from asking girls what they like, instead of observing what successful males do in their interactions with women. Successful people emulate the actions of other successful people and add in their own value to the process. Unsuccessful people try to blame the system instead of understanding that they have the wrong approach.

I went off on a tangent, but my point is that your method is workable. You will naturally exhibit abundance mentality and amused mastery because you're not particularly interested in that person. But that ultimately doesn't develop you as a person.

I'm not suggesting that people shoot for the stars and try to game models. I'm suggesting that people test the waters at the level they want to be at and see what areas they are failing in and build upon it. Observe other successful males and see what it is that makes them successful with women of similar status.

Is it because these other guys look fit? Go work out! Is it because these guys know how to talk to women? Practice being more social and understand what works and doesn't work! Is it because these guys are tall and you're not? Well, I can't help you there, it's just too damn bad, but that is something you'll have to accept.

The point is, you can understand how to interact with women if you game women that don't appeal to you, but you won't be able to translate that to success with more appealing women, because you haven't dealt with such women.

As an analogy, I watched a snake expert who "immunized" himself to snake bites by slowly introducing snake venom into his system. It likely hurt his body and induced a lot of pain, but over time, he became less susceptible to the effects of the venom. Basically, introduce rejection into your life, and learn how to respond to it properly. You'll naturally get better at dealing with women IF you can realize what you are lacking and what pulls them in.

I wanted to gild this post for having the balls to say what needed to be said when it comes to gaming chicks but then this shit happened:

Get used to it men, and remember don't fuck fatties

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If you're worried about how other people would view you because your plate is retarded then you're still beta. You shouldn't need another persons validation.

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I'm not telling men to date/plate a bunch of uglies

You can't say looking to others for validation is beta and at the same time hold up socially agreed upon metrics for measuring worth. I went to an extremely BP high school and one thing I always noticed were that the guys with the highest standards were often the guys with the least action, making them awkward as fuck if they ever did get lucky. I didn't realize this until after my oneitis phase crashed and burned, when I took every opportunity available (read: low value sluts, chubsters, and butterfaces) to learn the tricks of the game. At the time I was just experimenting to be good in bed, but the more I did it the better I became at handling chicks in general, and also decreasing my anxiety over lack of pussy.

Unless you've already got game falling outta your ass, lowering your standards (especially if you've had no or little action) is a fairly effective tactic to quickly get you up to speed in experience. From there you can move up the food chain, just don't be that chubby BB with standards way above his paygrade.

I used to be the guy with "high" standards and little experience. I needed that perfect girl, the one with a great face, great personality, great tits and ass, great everything. I would not settle for anything less than what I wanted.

Then one evening after masturbating to some porn I thought....

The girl I am looking for would want nothing to do with me. She would rather stick needles in her eyes than have sex with me. I simply did not have the SMV to get a girl like that interested in me.

The next day I went out and approached without looking for the perfect girl. Soon I landed a date with a somewhat cute girl, nice face but a bit chubby and cool personality. Around a 5. We dated a few more times and that was it, then ten the next girl came. Slightly more attractive but a weaker personality then the next came, good personality and attractive but somewhat bad teeth. After going through probably 7 "uglier" girls I learned that every girl is going to have their flaws, the 8 I briefly dated was great in all areas of her life but her personality was very grating. There's always going to be something you don't like about your girlfriend, wife or plates and there is always going to be something you like about your wife, plates or girlfriend. She may be fat but she gives a great blowjob and cooks for you, she may be a butter face but she has a great ass and lets you do anything you want to it.

If you aren't dating down you simply are missing out on a lot of stories and experiences, just because you fuck a fat girl doesn't mean you have to take her to your friends wedding or be seen in public with her.

But I don't want to validate a fat girl.

So what? Who cares if you validate some fat girl with your golden cock. If you don't validate her someone else will.

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I remember giving advise like this to my brother when he had trouble with girls back in high school. I used a soccer analogy :).

"Before you can play at Highbury, you have to play in the Mexican league to get better"

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This is definitely true. I've done this unintentionally. Dated attractive dumb chicks or chicks who were hot, but not a good match (personality/intelligence wise).

I tried dating women I wasn't attracted to. It was difficult for me to even get hard for them and yet I still didn't give a fuck. I can't fuck with 6's and below unless I'm on a drought and already horny. They can't turn me on.

But I can still use them to practice game and what not.

Man, I remember about 2 years ago.

This was all before I even knew what TRP was. Met a girl online, turns out she's a bit chubbier than her pictures and she's got a bit of issues due to her father having mommy issues and her mom leaving them in the ditch.

We meet, drink and have fun. Go back to my parents', she sucks me dry the entire night because she doesn't have sex on the first date. She was damn good at it but I had a weird feeling about her so I didn't really want to date her. So, 2 days later she invites me to her place, cooks dinner and we fuck all night. I'd meet her when I wanted and we'd fuck like rabbits. It was great. Eventually she started pushing for more and I bailed. Truth is, I didn't feel all that bad. The sex was awesome, she cooked pretty damn well and was still kinda fun to be around but she didn't fit my standards.

Worst advice ever, seriously.

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My level of self respect is too high to fuck women I'm not attracted to

Women like this are for sex, not dating. You don't have to "date" a girl just because you want to fuck her. I guess I'm not really sure what you're talking about, what do you mean by "date"?

Man WTF, I told a dude to never fuck fat girls a few days ago and I got down voted to hell.

Reddit wisdom I didn't see in the comments:

Don't put your dick in stupid.

If you procreate, remember stupid is stupid,
you owe 17% of your
income for 21 years.

Your name on a birth certificate as the father
IS NOT what you want.

GREAT post. I suffer from high standards after breaking up with my gf who had HH cup tits.

Until the next big titty unicorn arrives, I'm plating 6s because they're easy lays and I truly don't give a shit.

Nah, i don't get it. I am the type of guy you described here. High standards, very low experience. I don't want to even deal with girls who I'm not attracted to, physically or otherwise. I don't want to. That is enough. Even though sometimes we have to do things we don't want to, those are important things. Like working, studying, or whatever other responsibilities you have. But when it comes to unimportant things, like dating or fucking women, its all about doing what you want. If you force yourself to do shit you hate for no reason, you will be miserable. I know i would be. In that regard, life is about doing what you want, otherwise there's no point in living. I do whatever the fuck I want to do, whatever makes me feel good and makes me enjoy life. Bothering with 5s and 6s and even 7s is not something that appeals to me. Not because I feel like I am superior, or that they're beneath me. I am simply not motivated in any way, I don't care, I don't want to. That's the bottom line.

Hmmm, I'm not lacking experience necessarily in terms of how many women I've slept with but I actually really like what was said here.

There are a few women I've currently been ignoring because A) they either annoy tf out of me or B) they aren't hot enough. I have gotten too comfortable with my current plates. Perhaps it's time to begin spinning a few more.

This is solid advice for how to fuck ugly and annoying women.

A small percentage of guys may progress past this and end up with attractive women later if the PTSD isn't too bad.

AM I to believe that many men here are turning down sex with 6's? I dont buy it. Maybe a 4, sure, but a 6 with a decent attitude is serviceable to most men.

Its like an RPG. You have to slay the lesser creatures in order to build up your XP points. Or I should say, SEX-P points :-D

I would rather travel to Asia and get with hot 19 yo Ming

Here's the thing, if I date a girl below my standards, she gets super clingy, goes way out of her way to keep the relationship going, fakes the desire for sex, etc. They are doing everything they can to keep you. You aren't getting an accurate picture portraying alpha, you're just getting an accurate picture of what a 4 will do for an 8.

I agree you'll exhibit some alpha characteristics basically not giving a fuck about them, but honestly, I'd rather not deal with the easy kills, they are too wrapped up in their own delusions. It's just a bad experience for both parties.

I agree. Some beginners just need to get over themselves and bang out some suboptimal women. It's highly unlikely that you are going to go straight from being a Betamax to the Big Leagues overnight.

I've seen some guys who are far from having it together: out of shape, weak game, no frame and not very successful. They still refuse to settle for anything less than a 7. So, they end up going home and jerking off instead. They use "standards" as an excuse to avoid practicing and gaining experience. It's not like you're going to marry these girls!

We all have to start from somewhere. I liken it to lifting weights. Not many of us could bench 315 on our first day at the gym. You lift what you can and you keep working to improve it. It's okay to admit that you are just not at a point in your life where you can bang supermodels. Take what you can get and keep working to improve the quality of the women you bed.

I'm not ashamed to say that I fucked some fatties, single moms and other less-than-stellar women along the way. But when I was finally in a position to bang a 9, my skills were sharp and I was ready to lay that pipe!

The fucking bravado of this sub is hilarious sometimes. Show me any guy with a notch count well into the double digits, even dudes who are always with beautiful women, and I'll show you someone who probably fucked at at least a few chubbies and butterfaces. In fact, he probably took them whenever possible, in addition to his regular diet of 7 and 8s. Even the best have dry spells they gotta get out of somehow. Yeah, most people will draw the line at 4s and below, but does any man really think jacking off to porn by himself is better than fucking a woman who's mediocre in the looks department? At least if those are the two options available to him at the moment.

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Relevant Field Report Time:

I just did exactly this with a girl that was coming onto me pretty hard after we met working on a school project. It's working pretty well for me, but I'm also wondering what I'm going to do about the fact that she's obviously falling for me, and I just don't care that damn much.

Thing is, there are multiple other girls barking up this tree that I'm really interested in (a hot blonde I know from the same project, for instance). In general, I've experienced the predictable increase in attention over the last year from swallowing TRP, getting my shit together, getting in shape, learning to game, etc.

Trouble is, due to homeschooling and general beta conditioning by my well-meaning but full of shit mother, I was still a virgin until recently. That's a massive hit in the SMV department. I had so little sexual experience for so long that I had developed a mental block about going for one of the girls I'm actually into and looking like the foolish sexual novice that I knew I was (and still am, if less so).

So I selected an easy target, made it clear it was a nonexclusive relationship, and burnt that damn V card at long last. It was shitty the first time. It was better the second. I'm getting better at it quickly. I learned that physical technique during the deed doesn't really matter. The important thing is just to put the girl in the right submissive mindset while she's already super attracted to you, and go to town. Push her around. Be aggressive. It's all been said here a thousand times, but you have to actually experience their reaction before you can internalize the truth of it. Oh, and be in shape. Bitches really do love muscles.

Point is, I needed this experience. Now I've overcome the block. I can proceed over the summer with several of the girls I referred to before.

I will feel a bit bad when I have to drop this plate. I sense that she's developing oneitis for me, probably since I just don' give a shit, and thus my DGAF game is great. I doubt she'll let me get away with a soft next. I'll probably have to hard next her soon. Ah well, more valuable experience.

Young TRPer who has been a member for a few months now. I'm inexperienced with knocking down shit-tests properly, have never had sex, and don't know what type of girl is DTF. According to you, there are plenty, so where do I look?

I met a 17yr old schoolgirl on her work experience. She was a plain jane average looks, build, brains very polite and very submissive. She was starry eyed and developed a crush on me. 18mths later I run into her at the local corner shop. She happened to live in the area and we walked back past my place. She had no job so I said she could earn a few bucks washing, ironing and cleaning every Thursday. With her crush and being so submissive, inexperienced and lower SMV it was easy to make her do whatever I sexually wished. I barked instructions, treated her rough, and talked dirty to her, and she loved it.

It was because she was below my usual standard of woman that helped me to develop my sexual dominance. She wasn't the best looking but I had fun and got a lot of sexual confidence out of it.

I fundamentally disagree.

You will never be perfect, life is a journey, not a destination. Having a mindset that you have to wait until you are ready is very self limiting. You have a choice here, the choice is "ok, right now, you're healed, now what?"

Go out there and live your life for you. Yes, you will make mistakes. That's fine. Yes, you will nuke relationships with girls you care about, that's fine, they're are new girls being made everyday. Do not settle for crap women because you think you are not worthy of a good one until you "practice". That is garbage mentality.

The world is yours, fucking take it. Learn as you go.

** edit to add.. if you are a weak spineless newby, you are not going to attract a high quality woman anyway, but do not call it practice. Hit the girls in your league, and move your league up as you go.

This is the best advice for anyone trying to work on their game. What better way to practice not caring about woman, than to actually not care.

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I have a question though, if you could help me:

My (maybe mistaken) intuition tells me that fucking low value women might hinder your chances with higher value women in the long run, particularly in a "closed-social-system" like a small college or an office. Is this the case?

Of course we all want to fuck 9s and 10s, and I agree that getting experience with 6s might be useful. But if you fuck a 6s and people find out (of course one would try to be discrete but Ms. 6 might no be very reserved about her adventures), maybe when you're trying to game Ms. 9 she will think less of your value because you've picked up the "low ganging fruit" in the past.

I genuinly don't know the answer. What's your experience with this? Am I correct? I'm new to the Red Pill and maybe, as someone else in this thread described, a "Blue pill with Red Pill knowledge".

TL;DR: Would fucking 6s reflect poorly on your SMV in the long run?

I'd appreciate your answer /u/One_friendship_plz.

Well there's a good reason to avoid sluts with high partner counts: reduced std risk.

As a guy with retarded standards who's done this in the past...yeah, you know what you're talking about. I've even done this before I began unplugging, and it worked beautifully even when I was oblivious to feminine and masculine nature. It was...a fascinating experience, but I'd always feel guilty at how little I actually cared about them and would pull away before I could close to avoid "using" them. Retarded, I know, but our pre-TRP selves tend to be.

My question for you is: why bother with the town bicycles? That seems like a massive STD risk, even with protection. Vetting for partner counts is a tricky business, from what I hear, but seems well worth it. Catch something permanent and your future just wound up gutted.

There was a post a while back about the benefits of traveling away from your places of business and residence to practice game. Cold approach, hit bars, spit crazy game, etc--all of that where nobody knows who you are and your reputation is harder to shit on. Cut your teeth in different environments, in different locations. More experience, less recognition. Any thoughts on that?

Wait, I should date women I don't like but don't date fatties?

Cuz those are the ones I like the least!

How fat is too fat?

What if we like fat chicks? (haha. Just kidding. Nobody like fat chicks)

There's women who you don't like and then there's women who don't impress you. I think most awkwardness comes from being impressed by a woman. And that's usually the result of projecting all kinds of non-existent superpowers into her.

I joked about fucking a fatty once and got banned from /r/fatpeoplehate

i detest them in every way possible but i can't even join an Internet community to vent

I literally try to imitate how I act around less attractive women, to more attractive women. The catch is being able to detect how valuable she finds you, and what you can afford to do.

don't fuck fatties (Validating them for being piece of shits.)

Why would you care if fat women get validated or not? If it's just a plate to you I don't see why you would care.

I was thinking about this the other day. I had some relationships with girls who were VERY into me but that feeling was one sided. I had a good time and see a lot of what OP is saying.

I will say however you cant soar with eagles if you hang out with turkeys.

Nothing wrong with plating (READ BANGING) girls that you are not that into, however DO NOT get into a relationship with one of these women. THEY WILL BRING YOU DOWN. They will compromise your lifestyle and goals. And after they bring you down to their shit tier level they will leave and you will have to BUILD yourself all over again.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do not get one pregnant.

If you are using practice girls for longer than a few months you are going to fuck yourself in the long run.

Good post. In sex and other things, beware of letting the perfect become the enemy of the good.

They say to reach for the best girls at the top of the tree instead of the easy ones at the bottom. Fine enough and it has its place, BUT I always say, to the lower quality woman, you are at the very top of HER tree, so to refuse ever engaging such an opportunity over an abstract principle seems a waste.

Even as only a thought experiment, it illuminates disparity and arbitrage in the sexual marketplace. Since we aspire to connect with women several points above ourselves in the SMP, what insight could you gain by considering the ramifications of being with someone several points below?