I may as well just work myself into the ground because that's all I'll ever be - a workhorse that just waits patiently for the next sunrise and the next workload, until I'm too old and fragile to work anymore.
A woman finally understands how men have felt for decades (centuries?) and that's all it took.
TRPers should reach out to any young female family members and teach them about the Wall. It's like some kind of reverse oral tradition: happens to every single woman who hasn't paired off by 30, and yet none of them seem to warn each other.
Before I discovered trp knowledge I did this for my sister without knowing how valuable it was.
In high school, she proudly told me how nice she was telling a guy "let's just be friends". In those days that was all I was getting, so I unleashed my frustration, telling her how cruel it was, suggesting that a simple "no" would be far better.
Still in high school, she had a friend loudly proclaiming she would marry me in "about 10 years" while fucking the whole football team. "Hey sis, tell your friend to stop her mean joke" "oh, she's dead serious" "Wow, she doesn't understand marriage. If she really wants to marry me in ten years, she has to start having sex with me and only me NOW."
While dating her future husband: "Why would anyone buy a cow that gives milk for free." "No one buys a milk cow without first tasting the milk."
Newlywed with her husband. His big brother cheats. Our big brother walks out on his wife. "Iggybdawg, how do I keep a man from straying?" "Duh! Never let sex get worse or less frequent than the moment he proposed to you. He bought a milk cow expecting the milk to not dry up or go sour."
That's because there's always some well to do beta who will gladly settle for the 33 year old post wall women.
Also, Only 15% of all women are single by age 45. Most find husbands, so for the young girls of the world there aren't that my examples to scare them straight.
It's not that they don't find husbands, it's just that they end up with losers who are nevertheless good providers
It's happening (happened?) to my sister.. I dont really know how I can help her - I have given her tips like keep improving yourself and keep going on dates.. is there some post-wall guide I could work from? I don't want to see her alone as she eclipses mid 30's.. it's a real worry for me.
I'm sorry for your sister. But there is no magical solution. Her decision to not marry through her 20s has consequences.
You can only hope she gets lucky and finds some beta guy for herself. Make sure she doesn't price herself out of the market by having too high expectations.
I was just reading a thread about Disney princesses' appeal and then I saw your comment. Something kind of clicked:
We sometimes lament that so many women are ruined by the Disney princess mindset. "I'll find my prince charming and I'll never settle until I find perfection" and all the other entitlement factors that come into play. The thing that I don't see many women take from those princesses is that those princesses are sort of the epitome of feminine. Wide-eyed wonder at life, jovial nature with a ready smile, laughing and singing, beautiful, quick to find the best in others. That's what I want and I don't think I'm out on a limb saying that's what most guys want.
Tell her to forget about all the defensive and bitter things she's probably picked up from living life in this society and to try to adopt some of those appealing qualities that make women the amazing gender they can be. For the life of me I don't know why the best things about women have become defined as weaknesses.
And yet, if it was your daughter / little sister addicted to crack, you would try. But I agree, you really have to make an impression on them when they are young.
She was paired off by 30. She said she was divorced. Maybe if she had waited longer before getting married she would have discovered that they were incompatible. Just a thought.
Tell me, why should a man give a woman the best years of his life (the years when he has established himself, and when he is most attractive to the broadest number of women) if she isn't willing to give him hers?
It's one thing to build something with someone else. It's quite another to build that thing on your own, and then have someone else come along and just expect to share in the wealth.
Because that is a huge commitment for someone who hasn't experienced life on their own. Because she will probably still be in school, do you want to be responsible for another persons student loans? Also, statistically there is a greater chance of the marriage failing http://imgur.com/uaaeUGM
i feel like these relationships are longer-lasting and generally "happier" than the ones started by 20-year-olds. But it requires a beta who can put his assests at stake to gamble for this kind of "happy" relationship.
I think it's important for woman to work on themselves throughout their 20s and become settled as a person before finding a guy they want to settle down with. If you recommended she settles down before she knows what she wants she is likely to get divorced and end up as a single mom. Not everyone sleeps around in their 20s.
I was reading this and this women seemed pretty normal. Just another human being being lonely and seeking advice on how to find friends.
Until this: "Dating sucks ass and I feel like every guy I meet is just out for sex, or gunshy as fuck after getting out of his own shitty relationship.".
Yeah, I forget she is after single millionaire friends who don't have any problems whatsoever while she is a complete trainwreck.
What actually angers me is the way hollywood actively encourages this. Everything hollywood shits out is about girls being slutty. Well, this is where these girls wind up. Its a really sad cycle.
This is the reason modern feminism is terrible. Its tells your girls they can do whatever they want because they have girl power and no consequences will ever happen because girl power, yet they all hit the wall and this happens.
They become miserable.
Those beautiful young girls become older, and no mater how much feminism tries to deny it, guys don't want to marry a 30 year old girl with 50+ sexual partners. We guys are HARDWIRED to avoid these women. The only argument against this is "ignore your feelings guys stop being so shallow" because male emotions aren't important.
This is a shitty way to raise a girl and its damaging society.
There is a very simple answer that I rarely see. It's a combination of the pigeonhole principle and the fact that more women than men want a LTR (they are biologically needy, while men are usually contented alone or have coped with a long time longer than women).
So of course if you have, let's say 80% of women that want to be settled by age 30, guess how many men will be taken? Big surprise! they'll scoop up 80% of men. So now the few ones that remain standing in this musical chairs game are left with: 1. low value men, 2. men who didn't want to get married in the first place, 3. men who split up and go back to the market. A very small pool to choose from.
It boggles my mind how women fail to grasp this extremely easy idea. Talk about solipsism.
I would sum it up this way: if you are biologically needy and cannot stand being alone, then act accordingly. Arrogance only works when you can afford it.
Those beautiful young girls become older, and no mater how much feminism tries to deny it, guys don't want to marry a 30 year old girl with 50+ sexual partners. We guys are HARDWIRED to avoid these women.
I was reading a thread elsewhere where a virgin reading /r/sex said 'this is what I've gathered about sex from reading here' and the final point was:
'You are more than your sexual history'.
I feel like that is a lie. You are your actions. What you believe doesn't mean shit, it's about what you do that makes you. You may talk about volunteering to help feed the homeless a lot, but unless you actually do it, well no one gives a shit.
It's the same with this.
Say in your past, you were violent with people. You beat up a bunch of people for looking at you in bars, you hit your girlfriends because they played tennis with a male friend or whatever. Even if you reform and you change, you have that in your history. That person made you who you are today.
The same with your sexual history. If you've had 50+ sexual partners, the experience of that has made you who you are today. Deny it if you will - if it was about anything else people would agree that what you did made you who you are.
How many posts are there on /r/relationships from men talking about feeling intimated about their partners number, and women posting about being dumped because theirs was so high. The usual responses to the men is "stop being so insecure and get over it" and the response to the women is "he is insecure, it doesn't matter".
How many of the comments telling the guy to not be insecure would not be uncomfortable if their partner had a high count? I'm guessing not many of the men.
Everyone wants to avoid consequences for their actions, and women have the added advantage of having society twisted to allow them even more leeway to avoid them, with thirsty beta males waiting to validate them.
Some people need to check their privilege, and it isn't us.
Of course the past matters, only third-wave feminists are deluded into thinking they can do whatever they want without repercussions. If you have a felony on your record, it doesn't matter if you've become an immaculate saint, no major company will deal with you. Your past matters.
If a chick has ridden 50 dicks before you, you'd be delusional to think that's where the train will stop. You're just her stepping stone to dick #52.
Deny it if you will - if it was about anything else people would agree that what you did made you who you are.
I've met a number of women that claimed to be virgins after having sex with a number of men. Their reasoning was they "felt like a virgin" mentally so they are (nevermind any STIs they may have). They can even hamster back their virginity.
That's what bothers me about the whole "TRP literally hates women and think's their gender is shit!" mentality. I dissagree. TRP loves women, in fact, we love them so much we dedicated a whole fucking sub to how to get closer to them both physically and emotionally.
Yeah, many people here are upset with women, but not women as a whole. The problem is modern 3rd wave feminism. Personally, I don't like chicks like this hitting the wall and finally realizing they've wasted their prime because feminism told them to. It sucks. They should have had their shit together when they had the chance to make a better life for themselves. But at the same time, yes, it's bitter-sweet. I'm not going to lie and say I don't feel at least a little joy when women hit the wall after years of living with female privilege (having their cake and eating it too).
But fuck, can we please just stop denying our social instincts and let the pieces fall where they fit? It's just causing frustration on both sides which is entirely unnecessary. The west as a whole is losing in this game. It's ridiculous.
I understand a lot of people here are at different levels of taking the pill, but for me personally, I'm at the point where I don't really give a shit about examples or case studies. We are all losing out as a whole and it's getting ridiculous. It's more sad than anything else - for both men and women.
This is evolution telling people (who're too dumb to notice for themselves) that feminism and 'progress' are losing strategies. We can only hope that there is something left of the west after this mentality selects itself out of the gene pool.
The west is setting itself up for all sorts of disaster.
People forget that every person that will ever enter the work market (and your population thus support your nation's strength) for the next 18 years HAS ALREADY BEEN BORN. You can't recover lost time.
I avoid dating women or sleeping with women my own age, they come with so much baggage.
Because I give a different vibe from other men my age (some of them have as much baggage as women, the stories I have heard!) they feel like they can talk to me. I've had so many crying on my shoulder about how lonely they are, how they did what was suggested, went to uni, got a job, progressed up the career ladder, and are now looking to settle in their 30s, but there is no one for them. They are at a complete loss what the problem is, so the question I always get is: what is wrong with me?
That's a very, very dangerous question to try and be honest about, especially when you have just fucked her brains out and she's lying naked with her head on your chest.
And then you have the girls in their early 20s, full of life, sexy and tight, who tell you "I'm not going to settle down until I'm 30+". You just want to slap them and tell them to get a grip, they have the wrong idea, and they are going to fuck their lives up, piss away their prime years because they are following the herd.
That's what bothers me about the whole "TRP literally hates women and think's their gender is shit!" mentality
This annoys me so much. I love women, and feel we are more honest and upfront with them than betas. But they don't want to hear it, they want to live in the insulated female privilege bubble and damn us to hell for being honest.
And then you have the girls in their early 20s, full of life, sexy and tight, who tell you "I'm not going to settle down until I'm 30+". You just want to slap them and tell them to get a grip, they have the wrong idea, and they are going to fuck their lives up, piss away their prime years because they are following the herd.
I don't think it's so much blindly following the herd. They are making rational decisions based on the information they've received. Feminism has made it nearly impossible to criticize women in any capacity that discourages female behavior men don't like. Many women live in a bubble that society tip-toes around trying not to damage. So they sort of live in a world not realizing that there will be consequences. Every privilege in life they've received they feel entitled to. Feminism has told them that they can do whatever they want.
What I find interesting is that many women do recognize this on some sort of level because most realize that they will have to marry around 30 because the ability to fuck around in lala land is clearly diminished at this point. However, again not knowing what life is like w/o female privilege, just assume that they'll get Prince Charming once they hit that age when they are ready to settle.
Again, I wouldn't say this is entirely women's fault as a whole, but more about feminism telling them this is how they should behave. Feminism does a great job at removing agency from women. They tell them, "Just wait until 30 then find a man. And if you end up having a hard time, remember it's not your fault for not finding one because you failed to live up to the opposite gender's standards in dating, but because men are evil. It's the man's fault you can't find Prince Charming. It's because men are assholes who wont let you have your cake and eat it too!"
What I find slightly astonishing is the degree in which they still recognize the truths about the mating game, yet completely disregard it, leaving them in a tangled mess of confusion. Look at how insecure women are these days. Most of this comes from, in my opinion, the fact that society is telling them not to worry about holding themselves to a higher standard. While deep down they know what they are doing is hurting their long term game. They know deep down that fucking around, getting tats all over the place, and becoming a cow is going to hurt them. So instead of actually playing the game, they get insecure and complain how it's not fair that men have standards that don't let them be the hoe they want to be for a short while.
I'm actually really irked that the rest of reddit thinks this sub is misogynist. Wanting women to be feminine and actually act like females is NOT misogynist. Encouraging guys to act alpha is not misogynist. Nature made male and female two very distinct things for a god damn reason. Sorry ladies, you aren't a man and you can not do everything we can, please stop trying, you're damaging society (and visa versa).
Christ, women want to find a guy who will take charge and lead her through life. Its hardwired to the point males are sexiest when they dominate their woman in bed. Men were expected to take charge because of the ambition and calculating logic we are capable of.
For all the shit we get about how we "must be alpha", no one remembers that the alpha traits are BECAUSE women have sex with those men who exhibit them. Reddit thinks we just invented them out of our ass. Its like everyone else has the inability to see past what chicks say and actually examine their behavior.
Of course, you know all this puaSenator. Buts its infuriating how reddit/society is incapable of grasping these quite simple concepts. Are we really expected to believe womankind has magically changed just because we've invented birth control? Cmon...
Christ, women want to find a guy who will take charge and lead her through life.
I'm not advocating of changing our language at all. Not even slightly. But I just want to point out how language can be a huge barrier. What I have quoted is a cherry picked quote. As an outsider reading what you just typed seems misogynistic. In fact, it really does sound misogynistic for what it's worth. It's understandable why people would look at that quote and think "TRP people hate women!!!!!!" It's a completely logical response.
But, we, as analytic men, see it slightly differently. So let me rephrase what you said in a more PC manner:
Women don't want an abuser. She wants a man to be in charge, but not because of the threat of violence. She wants a real man. A man that gets things done and is in charge because they are a leader. A woman wants a guy with things happening in his life in which she can come along for the ride. She doesn't want direct forced submission, but she wants to be a follower of a good captain by her personal will. No woman wants to follow a loser, because every woman wants to ride by the side of a winner.
I don't see anything sexist about this mentality at all. What's wrong with trying to become a great man who leads the relationship? What's wrong with being a leader? Sure, many women can be leaders - and that's fucking great and normal. But at the end of the day, most women want their man to be their rock, their leader, and their protector. Does that make us misogynist? According to feminists, yes.
What you did there was translate that male communication style simple sentence into womanese: a huge long paragraph with loads of caveats designed to head off run away feels. Most men don't naturally speak womanese, nor should they. In my mind though, they don't have to understand us because it doesn't matter what we say, it matters what we do. If we act like men, they will treat us as men.
That's why I find it so helpful. Every once in a while, no matter how well you think you control your frame in your LTR, you will have to explain something like this in womanese.
There a some here who take glee in seeing women hit the wall "bitch got what she deserved" etc etc. Honestly I feel sorry for that woman. She has been lied to as much as we have.
implying every nazi soldier was stoked to go to war and line jews up for both genocide and ethical cleansing. Sure the nationalist attitude at the time along with fascist aspects in Germany persuaded many nazi's that they were in the right, but A LOT didn't enjoy doing what they did. It's things like soldiers stopping fighting on Christmas to chill together (with the opposing forces!) that truly shows this. Very very few people actually like to be on the battlefield and/or kill people.
It was the systematic approach the nazi's had taken and the efficiency in killing people technology had given that perpetuated the holocaust while numbing the nazi's to their actions, not fully making them aware of the pain and suffering that occured during this time period.
but i see your point :); You tried to counter my comment with a concept, but the content of the concept was self-contradicting. I actually agree with your point after articulating my argument that you were wrong. this is solely because your argument IS wrong because you used nazis as an example, but i agree with what you were going for. Thank you for adding insight to my previous comment, which I suppose I could disagree with now if I considered the point you made to be valid enough to define the issue.
PS: I know your "...right?" was probably rhetorical, but i figured i would elaborate on the difference between the willingness of Nazis and the willingness of this woman who is only regretting her previously desired actions and decisions.
That Christmas stop of fighting and chilling was done during WWI If I recall it correctly. And I was more talking about Nazi Germany need to conquer other nations, expending their lebensraum, I haven't had holocaust in my mind. I will try again ... German soldiers went to war with france/britan/poland/czechoslovakia/belgium/dutch/norway... because they thought they can, because they thought they will win, because somebody told them they totally should, but they kinda overcalculated with USSR and USA and the consequences were terrible (for everybody). This is what I meant :)
What a beautifully refreshing perspective of red pill truth.
She's absolutely right, 20's are the time to build a good life for yourself. Get a high GPA, ingrain healthy habits and meet as many people as possible.
She was talking to female 20's more so but it still applies to men.
Exactly. I don't understand how a lot of the women I meet can be in their late 20s and in debt. Women with good jobs and high salaries. It's almost like they expect someone else to pick up the tab.
Of course it's not a hard and fast rule. Obviously you'd weigh their degree and career choice. There is justifiable debt but if you've got 300k+ in loans and personal debt because you went to the JFK school of public policy and can't manage your money and you make less than 40k working at a nonprofit you're datable and fuckable but nothing else. Another example would be a guidance counselor that went to a top law school decided she didn't want to work in law after graduation didn't pass the bar and became a guidance counselor. I love the idea of dating a teacher/counselor that can mother our potential future kids after work but I'm not going to pay for her undergrad, laws school and grad school because she's a good person, has good genes and may be a good mate. Given the divorce rates I'd pay her shit off give her a kid and be fucked with child support and alimony. I'd much rather date a smart and attractive teacher or guidance counselor that went to state school that has little to no debt or less 60k in debt (or some other arbitrary figure that can be paid off with our salaries and a little discipline).
TLDR: The original statement was blanket statement about women on the dating market that should have a substantial savings or a low debt given their career and past earnings but don't because they squandered their money on 2x daily starbucks and other disposable consumer bs or feel good services.
Compare the taxes, gas prices etc. You pay, it's worse actually cause people who don't have any education pay for those who get it. Plus education means nothing now because everyone has it.
what people everywhere don't understand about our healthcare is that you are not expected to pay for it. those prices are meant to be negotiated. my grandmothers knee replacement had a bill of something absurd like 60k. we showed that we were uninsured and would be paying in cash. When the hospital found out they couldn't milk us like they do insurance companies or illegals on the governments dime the bill was changed to 4 figures.
Not to mention...salaries. Programmer in the US makes literally 3x what a programmer in the UK makes at the same level. Or, to make what a programmer in the US makes a programmer in the UK must work the same ~50 hour a week job three times over.
I don't think America is the land of opportunity anymore. My friend moved to america from Australia and pretty much fucked his life.
Still on minimum wage living in a trailer, while I'm at uni being supported by the government. Government also covered costs of my mental health issues. I was a liability, but I'm back on my feet, getting top grades and should be getting an internship soon.
I think hardcore capitalism only serves those in the top 10% while the rest are forced to suffer.
We tell guys here all the time that they need to stop basing their happiness around women and focus on themselves. Well, I think that would be good advice for her. Unfortunately for her men and women are different and no quality man wants a used up chick. She probably spent her prime years being an alpha cum receptacle instead of finding a quality man to settle down with. She can now deal with the consequences of her actions. It's harsh, but it's reality.
This is so true as to be almost a joke. Think about what a cat does, how it acts. Cats are aloof by nature, they give and receive affection on their terms only and there's always the sneaking suspicion that they only care about you because you feed them. Even the most deluded cat owner knows that if they died their cats would effortlessly move on to the next person who fed them. Cats are alpha male stand ins.
It's not sad, it's proof that the world does have a meaningful sort of justice to it. I see her post and I think "Ok, from ages 20-30, all you did was accumulate student debt. 10 years and all that is produced is student debt. College takes 4 years, a masters takes 2. How did you spend 10 whole years "educating" yourself? The answer probably lies in what she did. Bachelors is sorority life & the easiest major she can find, ages 22-26 realizing no one wants to hire you if you can't do shit, 26-28 finding a beta bucks and thinking that life will good, no need to lift a finger. But then he wizened up, leaving her with no choice but to.. take out a loan for further "education". 12 years gone, 18-30 and she is actually BEHIND where she started (0 in debt versus 30k now).
Yeah, I'd be "gunshy" about LTRing that. Even Captain-Save-a-Hoe couldn't... save this hoe.
Yeah, I mean, at some point society will have to address the fact that college is basically a massive scam. I mean, 200k down the drain to learn about, in about 50% of the cases, absolutely nothing? And the best schools are often the worst offenders. If you want to call yourself a top school and charge 50k a year, then you need to make sure those fuckers leave your school being able to code, being able to understand statistics, economics, calculus, how to write well... AND whatever their major is. You have 4 years... you have to do better than pocketing 50k and teaching these kids how to argue about social justice.
But yeah, it's a shit test in my eyes. If you are a woman, with the 50 bajillion student scholarships, work-study, and federal scholarships available, who has racked up a big student debt, then you failed. There are soooo many opportunities for college-looking females to receive money / aid to get into tech programs. We are basically laying out the red carpet and inviting you to come learn computer science and lock down a 70k/year job right out of the gate. Georgia Tech, ranked top ten for comp sci and engineering in many of the lists, will charge you 8k a year in state, and give you a choice of several technical degrees that can net you 60k+ easy right after graduating. There is no reason to be in debt for your bachelors, ever, especially if you are a woman. If you are, then I interpret it as a sign that you don't know what the fuck to do with yourself.
Why not just remove student loans/debts for female students?...seems only fair if society wants to promote female education. This could be funded by inreasing charges to male students. Win-win
GEORGIA TECH YEAH BITCH. Love seeing my school get props in topics like this. I'm instate, the HOPE scholarship covers 100% of tuition so I'm (well, my parents) are left with <=$10k a year for a top 5 education in my field of engineering.
Also, liberal arts is openly mocked by most students and faculty, there is exactly ONE liberal arts major available, the fight song is very PG and unfeminist and it's 70% male. GT is easily the most purple-pilled college outside of the service academies.
Yeah, Georgia Tech is brutal, but really solid from what I've heard. I took on a GT student as an intern recently, and she's been telling me about it. Basically it sounds like their strategy is to pick the disciplines they will focus on and pour their limited state school money into that, and throw enough $ at the business school to keep it afloat. By focusing on real academic fields, GT can basically rival places like Carnegie Mellon and blow Ivy's out of the water in terms of STEM education... and still keep the price tag down. Honestly, I find it bizarre that so few places do this.
Is GT getting a mass of new applicants and having to ramp up their selectivity now? Or is UGA still the go-to college if you live in Georgia?
There's sort of a mass of applications, GT switched to the Common App this year and got a few thousand more apps than last year. The selectivity has been shooting up for the past decade, GT used to be pretty meh in terms of selectivity-they just accepted whoever applied and then let academic natural selection thin the herd. But this past early admissions period, the average two-part SAT score for accepted students (not enrolled, mind you, but still) was 1485/1600. That's ridiculous for an average score, that's 98th-99th percentile and on par with the ivies.
It's kind of a misnomer to say that uga is the go-to school, it is, but that says more about Georgia residents than uga. It's really pitiful how few Georgians actually go to GT (the school is 50/50 out of state/international vs. instate), really the only Georgians who go to GT are the really smart people from the affluent Atlanta suburbs, for whom the choice is basically GT or Ivy League.
I'm totally with on the appreciation of the narrow focus as a model. Specialization is the name of the game regardless of industry. GT gets it right (you could almost say they're academically redpilled) they could have made themselves broad and become another ho-hum jack of all trades master of none public school like Iowa or Penn State or whatever, or become an elite, globally respected powerhouse in a small number of fields. More schools should do this, too many states are like Michgan-two large public schools that have basically the same purpose and offerings, with maybe slight differences in quality the only actual difference.
Hi and welcome to r/TRP. All of your questions touch on TRP axioms aka. self-evident truths. Because you've asked them, this shows you're not familiar with any of the core material. I advise "lurking moar".
Do you have any evidence that she had sex with many men in her early 20s?
He did say "probably", because this isn't an isolated case, and in all other similar situations, there was pronounced promiscuity by the female.
If you believe this is true, why do you believe that it was she who refused a relationship rather than the men she partnered with?
Women who are promiscuous have greater difficulty with emotionally bonding with men, as their partner count increases. This is a TRP axiom, if you've paid any attention to this sub at all, you'd see articles corroborating it all the time (do the search for the word "slut").
Maybe the men she found in her early 20s were all very redpill - doesn't TRP advise men to spin plates rather than committing?
TRP advises men to be realistic - if that means spinning plates because no female around them is high enough quality for commitment, then so be it.
i dont think it's a woman : he spent time yesterday in r/subredditdrama advocating for LGBT rights. Probably just another trannyfaggot hellbent on 'gaining rights' and being an useful idiotic tool of the civ and race destroyers, corrupters and exploiters whom shall not be named.
And the scariest thing is that you used to be able to identify them immediately by the sexist bullshit they spouted, but now they seem to be getting smarter and saying things that are, on the surface, relatively uncontroversial and/or logical-sounding. There seem to be so many otherwise reasonable people who are perfectly happy to immerse themselves in a sexist turd community. WHAT IS HAPPENING
I for one don't mind them, in fact, I greet them friendly and am willing to take my time to respond to them. Imagine this: if I, with my attitude, can convert one of them to a Red Pill woman ... wow, I'll be really pleased with myself.
Would you assert, then, that there were large numbers of men who would have settled down with her when she was in her early 20s, but she was uninterested in them because she wished to have sex with multiple men?
Yeah dude, I agree totally. Viewing the wall as some sort of justice is really just making way too much assumptions about how a person has lived their life. Instead it should be viewed as something for women to be wary of. To say that someone who you don't know deserves it is a very baseless claim.
If you would advise women to be wary of the wall, does that indicate that you would prefer that women settle down monogamously in their early twenties? In that eventuality, wouldn't casual sex be more difficult to obtain?
edit: And a related question: if you would prefer that women settle down early, would you like to be the monogamous partner of one of these women? If not, does that imply that you would prefer that all women partner monogamously with men who aren't you?
Men make distinctions between sluts and girls who are long-term potential. The two are never to be inter-mixed. Note the Snoop Dogg lyric "Never wife a ho"
Men desire sex. The dynamics of the sexual marketplace in the 50's were such that obtaining consistent sex meant that a man had to actively chase marriage. It was the most reliable source of sex.
Now the dynamics have changed so that casual sex is common. One of the biggest incentives for men to get married is gone. So now men spin plates, as it's the easiest way to have sex. If a man should choose to still get married, it's ideal to find a chaste girl who's still youthful.
To summarize, if all girls were to pursue monogamous relationships the way things once were, then men would similarly pursue monogamous relationships in order to obtain sex.
In that eventuality, wouldn't casual sex be more difficult to obtain?
yes. and this is why some people don't seek to spread the trp mentality.
if you would prefer that women settle down early, would you like to be the monogamous partner of one of these women?
good question. very good indeed. it's not particularly often asked here, but my guess is most here would like to be in such a monogamous relationship with a young partner. i wouldn't though.
If not, does that imply that you would prefer that all women partner monogamously with men who aren't you?
That would atleast be the purest machiavellian attitude.
quality men to women is someone with good money, quality women to men are just nice women, who are not utter shit, so when there is a beta provider who treats her like a queen she will cheat on him, so yeah they have to get married before 25 or else no one will want them at the age of 30, I know I won't, there are younger better women out there that fits my criteria better
Both of my wives were 20-21 when we started being monogamous, here I am, mid 40s and would rather have another 21 yr old who hasn't been riding dick. I trade them it at 30 because they think they can do better, so I let them try.
They don't do better, its always worse.
One difference though, I'm never getting married again.
No I wouldn't. I don't have an all encompassing preference about when to settle just because of the different circumstances in different people's lives. I would however advise them to settle with someone who makes them happy, the stress being on the right person, and not the timing. This is to save heartbreak for a man found out of desperation that can be cast aside if she finds someone she deems better, as well as time she would waste with someone she doesn't think is worth it. I would advise them to be aware that it does get harder as age has it's effect however, so if they think someone is worth it even if it's at an inconvenient time, to give it a shot. Personally if I found a girl who I thought was truly worth casting aside my freedom for, I would do it, because by definition that is a win.
Since you believe the stress is on the right person and not the timing, how would you feel about a woman in her 30s who has not yet found the right person, such as the woman in the OP? Perhaps she's been "cast aside" by a man who "found someone he deemed better", to switch the situation you mention in your comment. Would you argue that the responsibility for not having settled down is hers alone?
I assume you're taking about a woman who was committed to someone who left her because that's the context I was using it in when you quoted me. In that case no, absolutely not, because she actually had in fact settled down, just with the wrong person, with that possibly to varying degrees being her fault.
So on one hand, she is a human being and being lonely is one of the most awful feelings ever. I lived it and was forced to embrace the experience of loneliness every day through my teens and early 20's. I do feel some pity and remorse for her.
The problem for me is I have no doubt this chick was probably riding a new cock every year, fully embracing the easy life of being a young and attractive woman. While she was out having fun and passing over hardworking but timid betas such as myself at that time, I was developing my skills securing a future for myself. So now as her looks begin to fade, she is slowly realizing she has no skills and no sensible man is willing to provide for her used up ass. As the years progressed in my life, I moved from a state of utter depression and loneliness to having plenty of women in my life and a great career. I really don't feel bad for her, because it really is karma. My life will keep getting better, hers will only get worse. Such is the life of attractive young women who are addicted to male attention.
The problem for me is I have no doubt this chick was probably riding a new cock every year, fully embracing the easy life of being a young and attractive woman.
I feel similar sentiments. Fooling around with frat boys for 4 fucking years and then thinking i'll provide for you is stupid. Man i feel sorry for guys who commit to these girls. They are really at a high risk of cuckoldry.
Yeah but one of the doctrines of trp is that women don't want betas. So the sooner you accept that you realize that you really can't blame a woman for not going for them while she's young and has more desirable options. She's hardwired to. And trp is in my opinion theory of how to make that work for you, so that you don't have to be bitter about being snubbed anymore because you have an understanding of why.
All you wrote is true. Except in the past mothers and grandmothers took care of and steered their daughters, and didn't let instincts, cluelessness, and hormones ruin young females' lives.
The thing is, women don't want alphas either. They want men who excite them like alphas while catering to them like betas. But they can't have that, because it's the betas very devotion to them that turns her off.
What they want is worse than a unicorn, because at least a horse could morphologically have a horn without losing any of its horse functionality. What they want isn't a horse with a horn, it's a horse with fucking fins.
gunshy as fuck after getting out of his own shitty relationship.
Typical woman. Woe is me. Oh, no some guys might be as damaged as she is. She just got through posting about all her baggage and is actively discriminating against guys that have been put through the ringer by women. It's not like one of those guys could be a great fit for her.
It is kind of like superficially it makes sense to put all the crazy schizophrenics together in the same hospital. They are all a bunch of nuts, they should get along right? But really being around insane people doesn't get better just because you happen to be insane too.
being around insane people doesn't get better just because you happen to be insane too.
They'd both be works in progress. I'm not suggesting she date losers. I'm suggesting she date people with potential that like her are seeking to establish a good life and family for themselves. They could support each other's growth. They may even compliment each others strengths and weaknesses, thus building a stronger bond and also faster self actualization.
The amount of women who "want a baaaaaabbyyyyyyy" so that they can feel like they have a purpose is fucking horrendous.
Don't these bitches get that a child is a human being with, like, rights and shit, that desperately needs a father to raise him? Children are not objects to make you feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel.
I guess that is a key difference between men and women. As a man, the early-20's unmarried set wants to do stuff with me, and frankly I want to do a lot with them.
pirateundies 11y ago
A woman finally understands how men have felt for decades (centuries?) and that's all it took.
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Welcome to equality bitch.
EDIT: LMFAO
boxotimbits 11y ago
millennia
heist_of_saint_graft 11y ago
What can you say but, "Sad".
TRPers should reach out to any young female family members and teach them about the Wall. It's like some kind of reverse oral tradition: happens to every single woman who hasn't paired off by 30, and yet none of them seem to warn each other.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
iggybdawg 11y ago
Before I discovered trp knowledge I did this for my sister without knowing how valuable it was.
In high school, she proudly told me how nice she was telling a guy "let's just be friends". In those days that was all I was getting, so I unleashed my frustration, telling her how cruel it was, suggesting that a simple "no" would be far better.
Still in high school, she had a friend loudly proclaiming she would marry me in "about 10 years" while fucking the whole football team. "Hey sis, tell your friend to stop her mean joke" "oh, she's dead serious" "Wow, she doesn't understand marriage. If she really wants to marry me in ten years, she has to start having sex with me and only me NOW."
While dating her future husband: "Why would anyone buy a cow that gives milk for free." "No one buys a milk cow without first tasting the milk."
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That's because there's always some well to do beta who will gladly settle for the 33 year old post wall women.
Also, Only 15% of all women are single by age 45. Most find husbands, so for the young girls of the world there aren't that my examples to scare them straight.
It's not that they don't find husbands, it's just that they end up with losers who are nevertheless good providers
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It's happening (happened?) to my sister.. I dont really know how I can help her - I have given her tips like keep improving yourself and keep going on dates.. is there some post-wall guide I could work from? I don't want to see her alone as she eclipses mid 30's.. it's a real worry for me.
vaker 11y ago
I'm sorry for your sister. But there is no magical solution. Her decision to not marry through her 20s has consequences.
You can only hope she gets lucky and finds some beta guy for herself. Make sure she doesn't price herself out of the market by having too high expectations.
Azzmo 11y ago
I was just reading a thread about Disney princesses' appeal and then I saw your comment. Something kind of clicked:
We sometimes lament that so many women are ruined by the Disney princess mindset. "I'll find my prince charming and I'll never settle until I find perfection" and all the other entitlement factors that come into play. The thing that I don't see many women take from those princesses is that those princesses are sort of the epitome of feminine. Wide-eyed wonder at life, jovial nature with a ready smile, laughing and singing, beautiful, quick to find the best in others. That's what I want and I don't think I'm out on a limb saying that's what most guys want.
Tell her to forget about all the defensive and bitter things she's probably picked up from living life in this society and to try to adopt some of those appealing qualities that make women the amazing gender they can be. For the life of me I don't know why the best things about women have become defined as weaknesses.
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And yet, if it was your daughter / little sister addicted to crack, you would try. But I agree, you really have to make an impression on them when they are young.
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And then the crack addict berates you for not tolerating their lifestyle.
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Crackhead-shaming shitlord
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semigod__ 11y ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gfxjAaZg0
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Damn that's some funny shit. Sadly it's a pretty realistic depiction of reality.
whatdoyouthink2 11y ago
She was paired off by 30. She said she was divorced. Maybe if she had waited longer before getting married she would have discovered that they were incompatible. Just a thought.
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whatdoyouthink2 11y ago
I just think advocating anyone should find a life partner at 20 years old is bad advice.
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Tell me, why should a man give a woman the best years of his life (the years when he has established himself, and when he is most attractive to the broadest number of women) if she isn't willing to give him hers?
It's one thing to build something with someone else. It's quite another to build that thing on your own, and then have someone else come along and just expect to share in the wealth.
vaker 11y ago
Yet this is what every human female did through the history of mankind. By 20 they are as mature and as ready to have children as they'll ever be.
caius_iulius_caesar 11y ago
One of my doctors started going out with his wife when he was 20 and she 19. Now he's 80 and happily married for almost 60 years.
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Why?
whatdoyouthink2 11y ago
Because that is a huge commitment for someone who hasn't experienced life on their own. Because she will probably still be in school, do you want to be responsible for another persons student loans? Also, statistically there is a greater chance of the marriage failing http://imgur.com/uaaeUGM
I took that figure from http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_022.pdf
Edit: That figure is focused purely on the age of the woman when she was first married.
thecajunone 11y ago
While I agree, you can't slut your way through your 20's then hit the wall and expect beta providers to be there for you.
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The problem is that the beta providers usually are there for them. Betas enable and perpetuate this behavior by marrying post wall women
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i feel like these relationships are longer-lasting and generally "happier" than the ones started by 20-year-olds. But it requires a beta who can put his assests at stake to gamble for this kind of "happy" relationship.
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Ya I can't really advocate marrying really young because the divorce rates are on the high side, yet most people don't want a post wall woman either
thecajunone 11y ago
We don't advocate getting married at all.
caius_iulius_caesar 11y ago
Assuming you want to get married, would you rather be divorced at 25 or at 40+?
whatdoyouthink2 11y ago
I think it's important for woman to work on themselves throughout their 20s and become settled as a person before finding a guy they want to settle down with. If you recommended she settles down before she knows what she wants she is likely to get divorced and end up as a single mom. Not everyone sleeps around in their 20s.
thecajunone 11y ago
Not everyone. But seems like most do if they can.
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That's the norm. Just the way you said that shows it.
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actually every woman and the alphas sleep around in their 20s.
there's billions of beta men not sleeping around in their twenties.
Xein 11y ago
Why is everybody ignoring that she was married in her 20's? Not defending her, but isn't this the strategy for TRP women?
Woman made a conscious effort to marry young and still gets shit on lmao.
elevul 11y ago
This exactly is what's bothering me so much. How can TRP advocate young marriage if 90% end in divorce?
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dragoness_leclerq 11y ago
That's a pretty baseless assumption though.
FuriousMouse 11y ago
Do you think that's bad?
Just wait until you read this!
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I was reading this and this women seemed pretty normal. Just another human being being lonely and seeking advice on how to find friends.
Until this: "Dating sucks ass and I feel like every guy I meet is just out for sex, or gunshy as fuck after getting out of his own shitty relationship.".
Yeah, I forget she is after single millionaire friends who don't have any problems whatsoever while she is a complete trainwreck.
Also, I've just been banned from /r/offmychest for this post.
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I actually feel bad for her after reading that. I mean, she probably made her bed in her 20s, but still. Shes a person. Being lonely sucks.
Too bad shell never understand or be able to accept why this has happened to her.
lightfire409 11y ago
What actually angers me is the way hollywood actively encourages this. Everything hollywood shits out is about girls being slutty. Well, this is where these girls wind up. Its a really sad cycle.
Cyralea 11y ago
Sex and the City is the fucking pinnacle of slut-away-your-life. This is arguably the most famous fem-centric show in the past few decades.
caius_iulius_caesar 11y ago
Hollywood's (non-action) output is primarily consumed by women. Hollywood gives the market what it wants to see.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP.
30303030303030 11y ago
So is every woman in her 20s. Lesson learned. Thank your sisters for that.
lightfire409 11y ago
This is the reason modern feminism is terrible. Its tells your girls they can do whatever they want because they have girl power and no consequences will ever happen because girl power, yet they all hit the wall and this happens.
They become miserable.
Those beautiful young girls become older, and no mater how much feminism tries to deny it, guys don't want to marry a 30 year old girl with 50+ sexual partners. We guys are HARDWIRED to avoid these women. The only argument against this is "ignore your feelings guys stop being so shallow" because male emotions aren't important.
This is a shitty way to raise a girl and its damaging society.
pro_skub 11y ago
There is a very simple answer that I rarely see. It's a combination of the pigeonhole principle and the fact that more women than men want a LTR (they are biologically needy, while men are usually contented alone or have coped with a long time longer than women).
So of course if you have, let's say 80% of women that want to be settled by age 30, guess how many men will be taken? Big surprise! they'll scoop up 80% of men. So now the few ones that remain standing in this musical chairs game are left with: 1. low value men, 2. men who didn't want to get married in the first place, 3. men who split up and go back to the market. A very small pool to choose from.
It boggles my mind how women fail to grasp this extremely easy idea. Talk about solipsism.
I would sum it up this way: if you are biologically needy and cannot stand being alone, then act accordingly. Arrogance only works when you can afford it.
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Obviously the solution is to browbeat men into accepting them!
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
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I was reading a thread elsewhere where a virgin reading /r/sex said 'this is what I've gathered about sex from reading here' and the final point was:
'You are more than your sexual history'.
I feel like that is a lie. You are your actions. What you believe doesn't mean shit, it's about what you do that makes you. You may talk about volunteering to help feed the homeless a lot, but unless you actually do it, well no one gives a shit.
It's the same with this.
Say in your past, you were violent with people. You beat up a bunch of people for looking at you in bars, you hit your girlfriends because they played tennis with a male friend or whatever. Even if you reform and you change, you have that in your history. That person made you who you are today.
The same with your sexual history. If you've had 50+ sexual partners, the experience of that has made you who you are today. Deny it if you will - if it was about anything else people would agree that what you did made you who you are.
scottishredpill 11y ago
Talking about this post? http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/1vmceg/as_a_virgin_heres_what_ive_learned_from_rsex/
How many posts are there on /r/relationships from men talking about feeling intimated about their partners number, and women posting about being dumped because theirs was so high. The usual responses to the men is "stop being so insecure and get over it" and the response to the women is "he is insecure, it doesn't matter".
How many of the comments telling the guy to not be insecure would not be uncomfortable if their partner had a high count? I'm guessing not many of the men.
Everyone wants to avoid consequences for their actions, and women have the added advantage of having society twisted to allow them even more leeway to avoid them, with thirsty beta males waiting to validate them.
Some people need to check their privilege, and it isn't us.
Cyralea 11y ago
Of course the past matters, only third-wave feminists are deluded into thinking they can do whatever they want without repercussions. If you have a felony on your record, it doesn't matter if you've become an immaculate saint, no major company will deal with you. Your past matters.
If a chick has ridden 50 dicks before you, you'd be delusional to think that's where the train will stop. You're just her stepping stone to dick #52.
Meterus 11y ago
More like "Everything you do, or experience, is practice for the next time you do, or experience it".
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I've met a number of women that claimed to be virgins after having sex with a number of men. Their reasoning was they "felt like a virgin" mentally so they are (nevermind any STIs they may have). They can even hamster back their virginity.
ObscureCantaloupe 11y ago
As a woman, I don't want to sleep with someone who has 50+ sexual partners either.
blowlinesfuckdimes 11y ago
As long as you're not sleeping around yourself, you shouldn't have much of a problem.
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Why? Men don't have that much of a stigma for sleeping around.
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Personal preferences are personal.
puaSenator 11y ago
That's what bothers me about the whole "TRP literally hates women and think's their gender is shit!" mentality. I dissagree. TRP loves women, in fact, we love them so much we dedicated a whole fucking sub to how to get closer to them both physically and emotionally.
Yeah, many people here are upset with women, but not women as a whole. The problem is modern 3rd wave feminism. Personally, I don't like chicks like this hitting the wall and finally realizing they've wasted their prime because feminism told them to. It sucks. They should have had their shit together when they had the chance to make a better life for themselves. But at the same time, yes, it's bitter-sweet. I'm not going to lie and say I don't feel at least a little joy when women hit the wall after years of living with female privilege (having their cake and eating it too).
But fuck, can we please just stop denying our social instincts and let the pieces fall where they fit? It's just causing frustration on both sides which is entirely unnecessary. The west as a whole is losing in this game. It's ridiculous.
I understand a lot of people here are at different levels of taking the pill, but for me personally, I'm at the point where I don't really give a shit about examples or case studies. We are all losing out as a whole and it's getting ridiculous. It's more sad than anything else - for both men and women.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
vaker 11y ago
This is evolution telling people (who're too dumb to notice for themselves) that feminism and 'progress' are losing strategies. We can only hope that there is something left of the west after this mentality selects itself out of the gene pool.
Manuel_S 11y ago
The west is setting itself up for all sorts of disaster.
People forget that every person that will ever enter the work market (and your population thus support your nation's strength) for the next 18 years HAS ALREADY BEEN BORN. You can't recover lost time.
scottishredpill 11y ago
I avoid dating women or sleeping with women my own age, they come with so much baggage.
Because I give a different vibe from other men my age (some of them have as much baggage as women, the stories I have heard!) they feel like they can talk to me. I've had so many crying on my shoulder about how lonely they are, how they did what was suggested, went to uni, got a job, progressed up the career ladder, and are now looking to settle in their 30s, but there is no one for them. They are at a complete loss what the problem is, so the question I always get is: what is wrong with me?
That's a very, very dangerous question to try and be honest about, especially when you have just fucked her brains out and she's lying naked with her head on your chest.
And then you have the girls in their early 20s, full of life, sexy and tight, who tell you "I'm not going to settle down until I'm 30+". You just want to slap them and tell them to get a grip, they have the wrong idea, and they are going to fuck their lives up, piss away their prime years because they are following the herd.
This annoys me so much. I love women, and feel we are more honest and upfront with them than betas. But they don't want to hear it, they want to live in the insulated female privilege bubble and damn us to hell for being honest.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
puaSenator 11y ago
I don't think it's so much blindly following the herd. They are making rational decisions based on the information they've received. Feminism has made it nearly impossible to criticize women in any capacity that discourages female behavior men don't like. Many women live in a bubble that society tip-toes around trying not to damage. So they sort of live in a world not realizing that there will be consequences. Every privilege in life they've received they feel entitled to. Feminism has told them that they can do whatever they want.
What I find interesting is that many women do recognize this on some sort of level because most realize that they will have to marry around 30 because the ability to fuck around in lala land is clearly diminished at this point. However, again not knowing what life is like w/o female privilege, just assume that they'll get Prince Charming once they hit that age when they are ready to settle.
Again, I wouldn't say this is entirely women's fault as a whole, but more about feminism telling them this is how they should behave. Feminism does a great job at removing agency from women. They tell them, "Just wait until 30 then find a man. And if you end up having a hard time, remember it's not your fault for not finding one because you failed to live up to the opposite gender's standards in dating, but because men are evil. It's the man's fault you can't find Prince Charming. It's because men are assholes who wont let you have your cake and eat it too!"
What I find slightly astonishing is the degree in which they still recognize the truths about the mating game, yet completely disregard it, leaving them in a tangled mess of confusion. Look at how insecure women are these days. Most of this comes from, in my opinion, the fact that society is telling them not to worry about holding themselves to a higher standard. While deep down they know what they are doing is hurting their long term game. They know deep down that fucking around, getting tats all over the place, and becoming a cow is going to hurt them. So instead of actually playing the game, they get insecure and complain how it's not fair that men have standards that don't let them be the hoe they want to be for a short while.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
lightfire409 11y ago
I'm actually really irked that the rest of reddit thinks this sub is misogynist. Wanting women to be feminine and actually act like females is NOT misogynist. Encouraging guys to act alpha is not misogynist. Nature made male and female two very distinct things for a god damn reason. Sorry ladies, you aren't a man and you can not do everything we can, please stop trying, you're damaging society (and visa versa).
Christ, women want to find a guy who will take charge and lead her through life. Its hardwired to the point males are sexiest when they dominate their woman in bed. Men were expected to take charge because of the ambition and calculating logic we are capable of.
For all the shit we get about how we "must be alpha", no one remembers that the alpha traits are BECAUSE women have sex with those men who exhibit them. Reddit thinks we just invented them out of our ass. Its like everyone else has the inability to see past what chicks say and actually examine their behavior.
Of course, you know all this puaSenator. Buts its infuriating how reddit/society is incapable of grasping these quite simple concepts. Are we really expected to believe womankind has magically changed just because we've invented birth control? Cmon...
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I seriously doubt anyone who hates the red pill has read much of theory.
puaSenator 11y ago
I'm not advocating of changing our language at all. Not even slightly. But I just want to point out how language can be a huge barrier. What I have quoted is a cherry picked quote. As an outsider reading what you just typed seems misogynistic. In fact, it really does sound misogynistic for what it's worth. It's understandable why people would look at that quote and think "TRP people hate women!!!!!!" It's a completely logical response.
But, we, as analytic men, see it slightly differently. So let me rephrase what you said in a more PC manner:
I don't see anything sexist about this mentality at all. What's wrong with trying to become a great man who leads the relationship? What's wrong with being a leader? Sure, many women can be leaders - and that's fucking great and normal. But at the end of the day, most women want their man to be their rock, their leader, and their protector. Does that make us misogynist? According to feminists, yes.
Glenbert 11y ago
New to Reddit. Is there a ways I can upvote this 300 times?
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What you did there was translate that male communication style simple sentence into womanese: a huge long paragraph with loads of caveats designed to head off run away feels. Most men don't naturally speak womanese, nor should they. In my mind though, they don't have to understand us because it doesn't matter what we say, it matters what we do. If we act like men, they will treat us as men.
Glenbert 11y ago
That's why I find it so helpful. Every once in a while, no matter how well you think you control your frame in your LTR, you will have to explain something like this in womanese.
RG68 11y ago
There a some here who take glee in seeing women hit the wall "bitch got what she deserved" etc etc. Honestly I feel sorry for that woman. She has been lied to as much as we have.
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Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
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But RG68 is trying to say she's not the evil culprit behind all of it.
I personally think one should be responsible for their actions, and she had 10 years to be a NAWALT.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
[deleted] 11y ago
All soldiers of nazi germany were also only fighting for their country ... right? But I agree with second part of your post.
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implying every nazi soldier was stoked to go to war and line jews up for both genocide and ethical cleansing. Sure the nationalist attitude at the time along with fascist aspects in Germany persuaded many nazi's that they were in the right, but A LOT didn't enjoy doing what they did. It's things like soldiers stopping fighting on Christmas to chill together (with the opposing forces!) that truly shows this. Very very few people actually like to be on the battlefield and/or kill people.
It was the systematic approach the nazi's had taken and the efficiency in killing people technology had given that perpetuated the holocaust while numbing the nazi's to their actions, not fully making them aware of the pain and suffering that occured during this time period.
but i see your point :); You tried to counter my comment with a concept, but the content of the concept was self-contradicting. I actually agree with your point after articulating my argument that you were wrong. this is solely because your argument IS wrong because you used nazis as an example, but i agree with what you were going for. Thank you for adding insight to my previous comment, which I suppose I could disagree with now if I considered the point you made to be valid enough to define the issue.
PS: I know your "...right?" was probably rhetorical, but i figured i would elaborate on the difference between the willingness of Nazis and the willingness of this woman who is only regretting her previously desired actions and decisions.
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That Christmas stop of fighting and chilling was done during WWI If I recall it correctly. And I was more talking about Nazi Germany need to conquer other nations, expending their lebensraum, I haven't had holocaust in my mind. I will try again ... German soldiers went to war with france/britan/poland/czechoslovakia/belgium/dutch/norway... because they thought they can, because they thought they will win, because somebody told them they totally should, but they kinda overcalculated with USSR and USA and the consequences were terrible (for everybody). This is what I meant :)
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It was indeed during WWI, but it was to emphasize the attitude on the battlefield. I apologize for a slightly irrelevant example and the confusion.
GERMANY as a societal whole behaved in this manner, not individual nazis. But yeah, like I said, I agree with you.
A better analogy would be the average american contributing the the debt crisis, and then getting mad when the economy fails them
TRPforme 11y ago
Fuck is she a broken human being. She didn't just hit the wall, she ran head first in to it at full sprint.
Women are generally not forward thinking, which is why we end up seeing them in their early 30s wondering what went wrong.
Cyralea 11y ago
"But, but...I was told to just wait for my prince charming and it would all just work out!"
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
tykusstarcraft 11y ago
FUCKING 30 AND BABY HUNGRY .....LINE UP BOYS SHES A KEEPER
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galaxy_man33 11y ago
I've seen stuff from them before but never this video, it made me LOL at work. Good stuff.
batfish55 11y ago
That. Was. AWESOME!
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HA HA HA HA HA
frazzleddd 11y ago
God damn beautiful
Manuel_S 11y ago
These chicks are good. They hit the points perfectly, and they're not pulling the punches.
AllYouCanEatRedPills 11y ago
I'm reminded of the 30 Is Not The New 20 TED Talk.
Some of these people gave her sound advice. Others just gave her feel-good bullshit.
If she wanted a certain lifestyle for herself, she needed to plan and work hard for it. A decade ago.
...And no advice or planning in the world is going to help her if she's fat.
DEVi4TION 11y ago
Holy shit that video was so inspiring and so stressful at the same time.
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What a beautifully refreshing perspective of red pill truth.
She's absolutely right, 20's are the time to build a good life for yourself. Get a high GPA, ingrain healthy habits and meet as many people as possible.
She was talking to female 20's more so but it still applies to men.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP.
ilike2partyhowaboutu 11y ago
I have been asking all the women I know this simple question "How much debt do you have?"
It's alarming how many women have over 30k in debt.. student or not.
alt30313 11y ago
Exactly. I don't understand how a lot of the women I meet can be in their late 20s and in debt. Women with good jobs and high salaries. It's almost like they expect someone else to pick up the tab.
ilike2partyhowaboutu 11y ago
lol the comments... all these women are in debt because "nobody showed me any money lessons in all the school I bought"
BadgerBurger 11y ago
If someone is that far in for undergrad, that's not good. If someone is that far in after business school, law school, or med school, it isn't bad.
alt30313 11y ago
Of course it's not a hard and fast rule. Obviously you'd weigh their degree and career choice. There is justifiable debt but if you've got 300k+ in loans and personal debt because you went to the JFK school of public policy and can't manage your money and you make less than 40k working at a nonprofit you're datable and fuckable but nothing else. Another example would be a guidance counselor that went to a top law school decided she didn't want to work in law after graduation didn't pass the bar and became a guidance counselor. I love the idea of dating a teacher/counselor that can mother our potential future kids after work but I'm not going to pay for her undergrad, laws school and grad school because she's a good person, has good genes and may be a good mate. Given the divorce rates I'd pay her shit off give her a kid and be fucked with child support and alimony. I'd much rather date a smart and attractive teacher or guidance counselor that went to state school that has little to no debt or less 60k in debt (or some other arbitrary figure that can be paid off with our salaries and a little discipline).
TLDR: The original statement was blanket statement about women on the dating market that should have a substantial savings or a low debt given their career and past earnings but don't because they squandered their money on 2x daily starbucks and other disposable consumer bs or feel good services.
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European here. So glad not to have that problem.
30303030303030 11y ago
Compare the taxes, gas prices etc. You pay, it's worse actually cause people who don't have any education pay for those who get it. Plus education means nothing now because everyone has it.
I_eat_teachers 11y ago
Compare public transport and healthcare prices.
3x100 11y ago
what people everywhere don't understand about our healthcare is that you are not expected to pay for it. those prices are meant to be negotiated. my grandmothers knee replacement had a bill of something absurd like 60k. we showed that we were uninsured and would be paying in cash. When the hospital found out they couldn't milk us like they do insurance companies or illegals on the governments dime the bill was changed to 4 figures.
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Not to mention...salaries. Programmer in the US makes literally 3x what a programmer in the UK makes at the same level. Or, to make what a programmer in the US makes a programmer in the UK must work the same ~50 hour a week job three times over.
Lynngineer 11y ago
source?
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I don't think America is the land of opportunity anymore. My friend moved to america from Australia and pretty much fucked his life.
Still on minimum wage living in a trailer, while I'm at uni being supported by the government. Government also covered costs of my mental health issues. I was a liability, but I'm back on my feet, getting top grades and should be getting an internship soon.
I think hardcore capitalism only serves those in the top 10% while the rest are forced to suffer.
caius_iulius_caesar 11y ago
One anecdote does not data make.
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I hear this argument too many times honestly, because somethingd you simply can't verify because the data doesn't exist / behind a paywall.
Looking at data is important when msking important decisions, as far as reddit goes, I'm going to trust my gut.
"Just an anecedote" is the largest fallacy made by blue pillers, while at the same time it's their largest critism of the red pill.
I think america is a shit place to live for 90% of the population, based off my bias, anecedotal evidence.
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Another brick in the wall
redpill_man 11y ago
We tell guys here all the time that they need to stop basing their happiness around women and focus on themselves. Well, I think that would be good advice for her. Unfortunately for her men and women are different and no quality man wants a used up chick. She probably spent her prime years being an alpha cum receptacle instead of finding a quality man to settle down with. She can now deal with the consequences of her actions. It's harsh, but it's reality.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
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She made her bed. Now her cat can lie on it.
[deleted] 11y ago
"She made her bed. Now her cat can lie on it."
I'm stealing that line. Fuckin' epic.
[deleted] 11y ago
This is so true as to be almost a joke. Think about what a cat does, how it acts. Cats are aloof by nature, they give and receive affection on their terms only and there's always the sneaking suspicion that they only care about you because you feed them. Even the most deluded cat owner knows that if they died their cats would effortlessly move on to the next person who fed them. Cats are alpha male stand ins.
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Your dog would do the same, though. At the end of the day, we're all animals.
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Dealbreaker-Jones 11y ago
quality post
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It's not sad, it's proof that the world does have a meaningful sort of justice to it. I see her post and I think "Ok, from ages 20-30, all you did was accumulate student debt. 10 years and all that is produced is student debt. College takes 4 years, a masters takes 2. How did you spend 10 whole years "educating" yourself? The answer probably lies in what she did. Bachelors is sorority life & the easiest major she can find, ages 22-26 realizing no one wants to hire you if you can't do shit, 26-28 finding a beta bucks and thinking that life will good, no need to lift a finger. But then he wizened up, leaving her with no choice but to.. take out a loan for further "education". 12 years gone, 18-30 and she is actually BEHIND where she started (0 in debt versus 30k now).
Yeah, I'd be "gunshy" about LTRing that. Even Captain-Save-a-Hoe couldn't... save this hoe.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
semigod__ 11y ago
the student loan debt seems to be another big factor in why these women will never marry.
i can't wait for the media to cover this topic extensively.
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Yeah, I mean, at some point society will have to address the fact that college is basically a massive scam. I mean, 200k down the drain to learn about, in about 50% of the cases, absolutely nothing? And the best schools are often the worst offenders. If you want to call yourself a top school and charge 50k a year, then you need to make sure those fuckers leave your school being able to code, being able to understand statistics, economics, calculus, how to write well... AND whatever their major is. You have 4 years... you have to do better than pocketing 50k and teaching these kids how to argue about social justice.
But yeah, it's a shit test in my eyes. If you are a woman, with the 50 bajillion student scholarships, work-study, and federal scholarships available, who has racked up a big student debt, then you failed. There are soooo many opportunities for college-looking females to receive money / aid to get into tech programs. We are basically laying out the red carpet and inviting you to come learn computer science and lock down a 70k/year job right out of the gate. Georgia Tech, ranked top ten for comp sci and engineering in many of the lists, will charge you 8k a year in state, and give you a choice of several technical degrees that can net you 60k+ easy right after graduating. There is no reason to be in debt for your bachelors, ever, especially if you are a woman. If you are, then I interpret it as a sign that you don't know what the fuck to do with yourself.
I_eat_teachers 11y ago
I agree with you but you assume everyone here is american
johnnight 11y ago
It is a scam. Mostly because higher education takes much longer than is necessary to qualify people to entry jobs. (except a few trades)
mydoucheaccount 11y ago
Why not just remove student loans/debts for female students?...seems only fair if society wants to promote female education. This could be funded by inreasing charges to male students. Win-win
caius_iulius_caesar 11y ago
I hope you're being funny.
rumbledust 11y ago
GEORGIA TECH YEAH BITCH. Love seeing my school get props in topics like this. I'm instate, the HOPE scholarship covers 100% of tuition so I'm (well, my parents) are left with <=$10k a year for a top 5 education in my field of engineering.
Also, liberal arts is openly mocked by most students and faculty, there is exactly ONE liberal arts major available, the fight song is very PG and unfeminist and it's 70% male. GT is easily the most purple-pilled college outside of the service academies.
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Yeah, Georgia Tech is brutal, but really solid from what I've heard. I took on a GT student as an intern recently, and she's been telling me about it. Basically it sounds like their strategy is to pick the disciplines they will focus on and pour their limited state school money into that, and throw enough $ at the business school to keep it afloat. By focusing on real academic fields, GT can basically rival places like Carnegie Mellon and blow Ivy's out of the water in terms of STEM education... and still keep the price tag down. Honestly, I find it bizarre that so few places do this.
Is GT getting a mass of new applicants and having to ramp up their selectivity now? Or is UGA still the go-to college if you live in Georgia?
rumbledust 11y ago
There's sort of a mass of applications, GT switched to the Common App this year and got a few thousand more apps than last year. The selectivity has been shooting up for the past decade, GT used to be pretty meh in terms of selectivity-they just accepted whoever applied and then let academic natural selection thin the herd. But this past early admissions period, the average two-part SAT score for accepted students (not enrolled, mind you, but still) was 1485/1600. That's ridiculous for an average score, that's 98th-99th percentile and on par with the ivies.
It's kind of a misnomer to say that uga is the go-to school, it is, but that says more about Georgia residents than uga. It's really pitiful how few Georgians actually go to GT (the school is 50/50 out of state/international vs. instate), really the only Georgians who go to GT are the really smart people from the affluent Atlanta suburbs, for whom the choice is basically GT or Ivy League.
I'm totally with on the appreciation of the narrow focus as a model. Specialization is the name of the game regardless of industry. GT gets it right (you could almost say they're academically redpilled) they could have made themselves broad and become another ho-hum jack of all trades master of none public school like Iowa or Penn State or whatever, or become an elite, globally respected powerhouse in a small number of fields. More schools should do this, too many states are like Michgan-two large public schools that have basically the same purpose and offerings, with maybe slight differences in quality the only actual difference.
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SgtBrutalisk 11y ago
Hi and welcome to r/TRP. All of your questions touch on TRP axioms aka. self-evident truths. Because you've asked them, this shows you're not familiar with any of the core material. I advise "lurking moar".
He did say "probably", because this isn't an isolated case, and in all other similar situations, there was pronounced promiscuity by the female.
Women who are promiscuous have greater difficulty with emotionally bonding with men, as their partner count increases. This is a TRP axiom, if you've paid any attention to this sub at all, you'd see articles corroborating it all the time (do the search for the word "slut").
TRP advises men to be realistic - if that means spinning plates because no female around them is high enough quality for commitment, then so be it.
nerdyfitnessguy 11y ago
There's no shortage of men willing to settle down with quality women. Not everyone here wants to spin plates forever.
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Why are you indulging some angry feminist troll?
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totorox 11y ago
i dont think it's a woman : he spent time yesterday in r/subredditdrama advocating for LGBT rights. Probably just another trannyfaggot hellbent on 'gaining rights' and being an useful idiotic tool of the civ and race destroyers, corrupters and exploiters whom shall not be named.
SgtBrutalisk 11y ago
Oh, the sweet sound of prejudice being shattered.
SgtBrutalisk 11y ago
I for one don't mind them, in fact, I greet them friendly and am willing to take my time to respond to them. Imagine this: if I, with my attitude, can convert one of them to a Red Pill woman ... wow, I'll be really pleased with myself.
mydoucheaccount 11y ago
Knock yourself out chap
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Would you assert, then, that there were large numbers of men who would have settled down with her when she was in her early 20s, but she was uninterested in them because she wished to have sex with multiple men?
SgtBrutalisk 11y ago
Of course! We obviously can't know for sure, but it's highly likely that was the case because that's how an average woman thinks.
getintheVans 11y ago
Yeah dude, I agree totally. Viewing the wall as some sort of justice is really just making way too much assumptions about how a person has lived their life. Instead it should be viewed as something for women to be wary of. To say that someone who you don't know deserves it is a very baseless claim.
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If you would advise women to be wary of the wall, does that indicate that you would prefer that women settle down monogamously in their early twenties? In that eventuality, wouldn't casual sex be more difficult to obtain?
edit: And a related question: if you would prefer that women settle down early, would you like to be the monogamous partner of one of these women? If not, does that imply that you would prefer that all women partner monogamously with men who aren't you?
Cyralea 11y ago
Men make distinctions between sluts and girls who are long-term potential. The two are never to be inter-mixed. Note the Snoop Dogg lyric "Never wife a ho"
Men desire sex. The dynamics of the sexual marketplace in the 50's were such that obtaining consistent sex meant that a man had to actively chase marriage. It was the most reliable source of sex.
Now the dynamics have changed so that casual sex is common. One of the biggest incentives for men to get married is gone. So now men spin plates, as it's the easiest way to have sex. If a man should choose to still get married, it's ideal to find a chaste girl who's still youthful.
To summarize, if all girls were to pursue monogamous relationships the way things once were, then men would similarly pursue monogamous relationships in order to obtain sex.
semigod__ 11y ago
yes. and this is why some people don't seek to spread the trp mentality.
good question. very good indeed. it's not particularly often asked here, but my guess is most here would like to be in such a monogamous relationship with a young partner. i wouldn't though.
That would atleast be the purest machiavellian attitude.
SgtBrutalisk 11y ago
Women should give themselves cautiously, that's the entire lesson.
lolyzor 11y ago
quality men to women is someone with good money, quality women to men are just nice women, who are not utter shit, so when there is a beta provider who treats her like a queen she will cheat on him, so yeah they have to get married before 25 or else no one will want them at the age of 30, I know I won't, there are younger better women out there that fits my criteria better
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Hm, I'm confused about your answer to my questions. Are you saying you would prefer to be the monogamous partner of a woman under 25 years old?
vengefully_yours 11y ago
Both of my wives were 20-21 when we started being monogamous, here I am, mid 40s and would rather have another 21 yr old who hasn't been riding dick. I trade them it at 30 because they think they can do better, so I let them try.
They don't do better, its always worse.
One difference though, I'm never getting married again.
getintheVans 11y ago
No I wouldn't. I don't have an all encompassing preference about when to settle just because of the different circumstances in different people's lives. I would however advise them to settle with someone who makes them happy, the stress being on the right person, and not the timing. This is to save heartbreak for a man found out of desperation that can be cast aside if she finds someone she deems better, as well as time she would waste with someone she doesn't think is worth it. I would advise them to be aware that it does get harder as age has it's effect however, so if they think someone is worth it even if it's at an inconvenient time, to give it a shot. Personally if I found a girl who I thought was truly worth casting aside my freedom for, I would do it, because by definition that is a win.
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Since you believe the stress is on the right person and not the timing, how would you feel about a woman in her 30s who has not yet found the right person, such as the woman in the OP? Perhaps she's been "cast aside" by a man who "found someone he deemed better", to switch the situation you mention in your comment. Would you argue that the responsibility for not having settled down is hers alone?
getintheVans 11y ago
I assume you're taking about a woman who was committed to someone who left her because that's the context I was using it in when you quoted me. In that case no, absolutely not, because she actually had in fact settled down, just with the wrong person, with that possibly to varying degrees being her fault.
stemgang 11y ago
Let's look for the silver lining here. She is divorced with no kids. Which means that most likely, her ex-husband also is free, with no kids.
So her ex has escaped the fate of many: being a walking wallet, forced to pay for the privilege of having his own children kidnapped from him.
He is free to commit his full resources to his future relationships, without having to pay alimony or child support to his ex.
I don't know what caused their divorce, but I do see the silver lining: her ex-husband escaped the divorce trap.
caius_iulius_caesar 11y ago
And that's why she's so pissed.
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stemgang 11y ago
Because she would have mentioned it, if she had alimony income.
key402 11y ago
So on one hand, she is a human being and being lonely is one of the most awful feelings ever. I lived it and was forced to embrace the experience of loneliness every day through my teens and early 20's. I do feel some pity and remorse for her.
The problem for me is I have no doubt this chick was probably riding a new cock every year, fully embracing the easy life of being a young and attractive woman. While she was out having fun and passing over hardworking but timid betas such as myself at that time, I was developing my skills securing a future for myself. So now as her looks begin to fade, she is slowly realizing she has no skills and no sensible man is willing to provide for her used up ass. As the years progressed in my life, I moved from a state of utter depression and loneliness to having plenty of women in my life and a great career. I really don't feel bad for her, because it really is karma. My life will keep getting better, hers will only get worse. Such is the life of attractive young women who are addicted to male attention.
Lynngineer 11y ago
She should have put the divorce in the OP, not in an edit.
lightfire409 11y ago
I feel similar sentiments. Fooling around with frat boys for 4 fucking years and then thinking i'll provide for you is stupid. Man i feel sorry for guys who commit to these girls. They are really at a high risk of cuckoldry.
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Haha damn I think I'd hit the wall if I was a chick.
If hot women where throwing themselves at me, and ugly women paying for my things, I'd be a 100+ gold digging bitch.
Then it all goes just like that, ouch
getintheVans 11y ago
Yeah but one of the doctrines of trp is that women don't want betas. So the sooner you accept that you realize that you really can't blame a woman for not going for them while she's young and has more desirable options. She's hardwired to. And trp is in my opinion theory of how to make that work for you, so that you don't have to be bitter about being snubbed anymore because you have an understanding of why.
vaker 11y ago
All you wrote is true. Except in the past mothers and grandmothers took care of and steered their daughters, and didn't let instincts, cluelessness, and hormones ruin young females' lives.
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The thing is, women don't want alphas either. They want men who excite them like alphas while catering to them like betas. But they can't have that, because it's the betas very devotion to them that turns her off.
What they want is worse than a unicorn, because at least a horse could morphologically have a horn without losing any of its horse functionality. What they want isn't a horse with a horn, it's a horse with fucking fins.
SgtBrutalisk 11y ago
Women want beta men, just not sexually.
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alt30313 11y ago
Typical woman. Woe is me. Oh, no some guys might be as damaged as she is. She just got through posting about all her baggage and is actively discriminating against guys that have been put through the ringer by women. It's not like one of those guys could be a great fit for her.
Nemester 11y ago
They aren't I am sure.
It is kind of like superficially it makes sense to put all the crazy schizophrenics together in the same hospital. They are all a bunch of nuts, they should get along right? But really being around insane people doesn't get better just because you happen to be insane too.
alt30313 11y ago
They'd both be works in progress. I'm not suggesting she date losers. I'm suggesting she date people with potential that like her are seeking to establish a good life and family for themselves. They could support each other's growth. They may even compliment each others strengths and weaknesses, thus building a stronger bond and also faster self actualization.
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The amount of women who "want a baaaaaabbyyyyyyy" so that they can feel like they have a purpose is fucking horrendous.
Don't these bitches get that a child is a human being with, like, rights and shit, that desperately needs a father to raise him? Children are not objects to make you feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel.
ss_camaro 11y ago
Always a dose of baby-rabies with these types. Act 2 is called 'Oops' followed by 18 years of child abuse and blackmail.
Crazy is, like crazy does.
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redpillbanana 11y ago
I guess that is a key difference between men and women. As a man, the early-20's unmarried set wants to do stuff with me, and frankly I want to do a lot with them.