I don't like how refusing to date post-wall sluts is often presented as some sort of revenge. It's incredibly weak and petty to shun them for those reasons alone.
The true justification should simply be that these women are low value and have very dishonest and transparent motives, and therefore are undatable.
Feeling bitter and resentful strikes me as being somewhat purple pill. A red piller would accept that he was undatable in his 20s and seek to maximize his happiness from here on out.
They need to be judged on exactly the same level as any other women.
They lost value in the physical side because of their advanced age and miles on her body. If she makes that up with other things, then I wont hold her age against her.
Its like we say on TRP "All I want is sex, if thats all you have to offer"
Why would you chase after a dumb slut that uses you for money and fucks her ex behind your back? Because she's hot, and you're putting her looks over her personality. You're chasing after what you're attracted to, not what will make you happy in the long run. Which is exactly what she is doing too.
You shouldn't give these whores a minute of your time once you find out who they really are.
Who says it's a revenge mentality? Slutty women who fucked around in their 20s milking guys for their money now gettin milked for sexual access by the sorts of guys they used to milk for money. Cosmic balance, brother.
The whole point of the article is to call out the shitty behavior of these sluts. Men need to take the lead with women, yes?
Instead of "I don't like," he should have said "I don't understand."
I don't like how refusing to date post-wall sluts is often presented as some sort of revenge.
That would've made more sense, because a slut is a slut. They serve their purpose in society just like a plumber or a receptionist or the POTUS.
Does McDonalds not sell their hamburgers to people who say "I hate McDonalds!"?
When people are drunk, hungry, and wandering around down-town, money is still money. McDonalds doesn't sit up on its high horse saying "No! YOU said I was gross!" McDonalds will take your money all the same and give you that same nasty burger.
A red piller would accept that he was undatable in his 20s and seek to maximize his happiness from here on out.
Well said.
If you're angry, it's because you still haven't really accepted the truth.
And if you haven't accepted the truth, you're still wasting your life. Tick tock. That's the sound of even more of your life going by while you harbor anger over things you can't change.
If you're angry, it's because you still haven't really accepted the truth.
The anger is a necessary part of the process. Some people get stuck in it longer then others, but it needs to come and they need to deal with how they feel before they can move on. Trying to gloss over that stage or avoid it will just result in a very bad understanding of TRP and the person will never fully actualize themselves.
It goes something like this,
Anger at women (those fucking sluts did all that shit to me, fuck them!)
Anger at self (why the fuck did I let those sluts treat me this way)
Anger at the world (fuck everyone, all these whining beta assholes are making these sluts like this and fucking everything up)
Eventually they realize that the anger is counter productive, this realization can't come externally it must be self generated. They gotta realize that being angry at women / self / world is about as useful as being angry that water is wet or that fire burns. Then comes the acceptance that just how the world is and the only option is to adjust yourself to be whatever you want to be and to seek your own happiness rather then being pissed at everyone else.
Exactly, this whole post-wall revenge fantasy bullshit is fucking lame, and doesn't really have a place here. It reeks of bitterness, resentment and spite, all weak, negative emotions no true, content man would hold onto.
Don't be angry at the woman who wouldn't date you because you were a 'nice guy'. Wake up and realize it was because you were a boring dolt, who could fucking blame her?
Its more about not accepting less then you you know you can get. There is nothing wrong with bitterness, as it keeps the memories of your failure as a man from fading.
I didn't get anger out of his article, I got experience and knowledge obtained that he just simply will not put up with this type of women anymore which is perfectly legit.
That is what I got from it, he is voicing his contempt and telling them to piss off and leave him alone cause whatever they are selling he isn't buying.
I'd add that, in addition to anger, if there is even a slightest sign of hatred towards women (sluts or not), that is further indication of left-over blue/purple pill-ness.
A red piller's contentment and happiness is not totally based on how women relates to him.
The comment section is up in arms because nobody gets it. This thoughtcatalog post is responsive to that previous post where the woman writes how she's sorry she was an idiot, but she's ready to date a nice guy now. It's not an actual message to some girl this guy went on one date with 15 years ago, but that's how the comment section is taking it.
"OMG! You're not a nice guy at all! Nice guys wouldn't hold a grudge for 15 years!"
Based on the number of people who seemed to be commenting while not knowing this was a response to another article I would say that the author did not make it clear what he was writing about. I read the article being discussed here but had already read the original and 5 or 6 different responses, from both sides, to it.
This particular article says nothing about the original. To be fair to some of the commenters, right or wrong, not everybody got to that article on the same path.
Fuckin eh, I'm not nice. I don't forgive assholes even after thirty years, fifteen is nothing. Hell yeah they take it personally because they see themselves described in it.
Hell yeah they take it personally because they see themselves described in it.
Yep. It hits home so hard because it's so fucking true. Women will seek short term emotional gratification over long term happiness. Makes complete sense from an evolutionary point of view, the female homo sapiens might not live to the fruits of her long term decisions but she can pump out more babies right now.
They are up in arms because it does describe them, they have done that to men and then rationalized it away. Until someone points out that their future human ATM isn't going to be there.
Makes complete sense from an evolutionary point of view, the female homo sapiens might not live to the fruits of her long term decisions but she can pump out more babies right now.
This argument can be applied to literally any incentive that takes place in the future.
Women sluttin' it up makes evolutionary sense in the same way that not finding a job, living off of welfare, and not cleaning up after yourself makes evolutionary sense.
It does, don't get me wrong, but I think that some people reading your post may not see the broad scope of this argument, and instead see female sexual selection as some sort of "special" case which should be forgiven because it's evolutionarily "natural".
That's just solipsism. Only the hamster exists in this universe, and that hamster was a big slut in her 20s so of course he's talking directly to them.
It's not an actual message to some girl this guy went on one date with 15 years ago
But you have to admit, he wrote it that way. He really harps on that supposedly expensive date. It's fucking pathetic. Of course he didn't get laid from that. It sounds boring.
It's a classic example of the very definition of the red pill. He did the expensive date because he was told that would impress a woman. He was told, "this is how you court a lady." That's the blue-pill lie that the world sold him. And he lived his entire life with no fucking clue what he had no success.
Then this woman comes along and says, "ok dude, I'm finally finished fucking everyone else - I am now, at long last, ready to stoop to your level." I get that he kind of lost it. It's pure blue pill rage.
I would love to pop out of a fucking time portal during one of his dates and say, "dude, I bring good news and tidings of great joy: the truth is, women aren't turned on by this kind of bullshit - here's a list of attributes and behaviors that actually do work!"
If you flip the genders on this, imagine some below average girl who constantly talks about her dedication to her career, because everyone told her men love that shit. Then one day, she reads an article by a guy that says, "ok, I guess I'm done banging strippers two-at-a-time, I'm now ready to settle down with a career woman!" She'd flip her shit too.
And my response would be the same. Her failure to be attractive was a result of a lie that she was told about the nature of attractiveness. If I could go back in time and give her some red pill advice, I could help her out. Have a career. That's awesome. More power to you! But most men aren't attracted to that alone.
If you want to get laid, you have to cultivate traits and exhibit behaviors that the opposite sex finds attractive. Duh.
dude, I bring good news and tidings of great joy: the truth is, women aren't turned on by this kind of bullshit - here's a list of attributes and behaviors that actually do work!
Sometime when I'm bored in traffic or something, I try to imagine doing this to my former self. and I wonder if I would actually even be willing to listen to my future self about any of it. ♂
A girl I used to date at the height of my betaness (who left me to go ride other cocks) texted me last night saying she missed me and that we should grab a drink and hangout.
Chain escalation based on plausible deniability. That's what it is but there's a name for it. I think it was mentioned in an RSD video. You get her saying yes and keep doing things that are ok, and slowly it gets from point A to your bed.
"We're just gonna stop by my house, I need to get my other credit card"
"Fuck this we're already here, and we're going to the bar in 2 mins, let's pre drink, I've got this bottle of w/e, let's go out on the deck, check out my view"
now you're drinking wine together on your deck looking at your backyard or the night sky. Have some shit pre made that you can toss into the oven for a snack that takes 5 min to make.
"I'll be right back I gotta use the loo"
"I lied, I saw you were hungry and I wanted something so I got us some of these."
Now with food and wine, she's not gonna want to go to the bar. Get her to watch a movie with you, crank that heat down in your house. Have some blanket nearby somewhere. 10 min into the movie plop the blanket down on the other couch
"this is if it gets too cold for you"
As soon as she reaches for the blanket (assuming you haven't made a move already before this):
"If you're getting under there, I'm getting under there too"
Now you're both under a blanket watching a movie and sex is literally minutes away if you know how to escalate properly.
It's known as a yes ladder. It's a sales and persuasion technique upon which you start with an easy positive thing, then move on towards other position things in a chain until you reach the last thing, which was your goal. Initially they might not of agreed to the last thing, but by chaining together positive easily agreeably things first you created a positive feedback loop in their brain.
If the goal was to fuck her, then if you open with "hey come over to my house at X time" there is a good chance she'll turn you down. This is reality we live in, her ASD is going push her away because there is no plausible deniability. So first it's to meet up at a bar for some drinks, or maybe a pub or what not. Have a drink or three, chit chat and escalate with some kino to get her comfortable with you touching her and absolutely don't give off any negative vibes or judgements. Then advice to go "somewhere" else, but on the way you need to stop by at your place to pick something up. Then the rest kind of falls into place, especially since you've already prepared the environment and preplanned the entire thing. At the end you have some great sex and she has an exciting story, featuring her as the lead, about how it "just happened".
Hell she may already be pregnant with alpha fux seed. She'll bust out the oopsie on the good provider and hope paternity tests are banned in the next 9 months like in France
Fuck her brains out, cum on her face, then calmly stand up, and without saying a word, walk to her bathroom, rinse your junk off in her sink, flush the condom (fuck the plumbing, that's her problem), put your clothes back on, and just walk out the door. Go to the gas station and grab a Coke and a smile.
I read this as the other way around. Like take off the toilet paper roll, Stretch the jizzy condom over the whole thing, and put it back. I think I'll do this in the future. After draining the jizz, of course. Don't need that falling into the wring hands
I'm no expert in toilet-paper-condom dynamics but, I'd imagine it has to do with altering the friction of the object (paper ain't gonna stick to a pipe as easily as latex) and/or reducing the condoms ability to snag on something
But toilet paper is not flushable because of its coefficient of friction. Toilet paper is flushable because if it does snag, it will just disintegrate in the water in a few hours.
Finally. You're the first person on here that has said this other than myself. I always roll the condom into a ball and tp over it into some kind of small ball shape that won't fall apart. Then I toss it in when the toilet water is low during the flush so it won't soak and unwrap.
You could, but why take the time at that point? You just emptied your balls on her face, gotta get outta there before her hamster can start spinning reasons why you're just walking out.
And this kind of thinking is exactly what TRP teaches against - wasting one's time in low-end, petty games that should have ended by the freshman year of college.
It's not about morals in relation to her, she's irrelevant. But every moment he wastes on her takes away from himself. He's weakening himself because she's still getting to him. Is this not clear?
Holy shit, I could have wrote this one myself. In my 40's now and still bump into women I was helplessly trying to get in my 20's.
Saw one at a bar a few years ago. Was out with my current GF who looks great for her age. My onetime "gotta have her" had the cokehead nose (deviated septum), wrinkled leather skin (sun plus too much partying) and while not a whale had clearly let he figure slide way down. She was out with two other women (both fatter than her) and clearly looking. Stopped at her table to say hi.
I stopped with getting some satisfaction (hey look at me now). Left just feeling pity for her and glad for me that I dodged that bullet. She ended up with 4 kids from two different husbands.
Apparently they only get discriminatory about quality when it concerns the hole in their purse. Any other hole can be filled at will by a pretty enough face.
This sounds too resentful to be actually substantive on TRP. Nice read but does not contribute to the conversation. Doesn't help us get laid or better ourselves.
I don't know... it's a good example of exactly the attitude you don't want to adopt. This shit is pussy repellent. If you ever catch yourself thinking like this guy, just stop.
We already know shit isn't fair. Instead of crying about how under-appreciated we've been, we find out why and then work with the actual dynamics at play, discarding all the 'play nice' bullshit that society at large attempts to chastise us into accepting; effectively acquiring for us a lowly position in the pecking order instead of allowing us to fully realize our potential.
It read like a neckbeard revenge fantasy that held a grain of truth about depreciating SMV. Hamsters ain't hearin' it, though. Based on some of the comments to that article, holding a door for a woman has now become date abduction and premeditated rape. Watch out, fellas.
I look forward to my 30s, I want to see how many wall-slamming bitches that blew me off back in the day hit me up. Should be interesting. Of course, I'll only pump and dump at most.
In 25 and I get it now, the single mothers kids grow past toddlers and they realize "oh shit, raising this kid alone will be neither empowering or easy" or they let themselves go and get a shock when guys treat them differently.
Don't get me wrong I do feel sorry for them but I'm not going to pick up their slack.
I have a former plate and FWB that I used to feel really bad for. 4 spawn, 3 different fathers, and basically because of that a completely shit life. I used to always wish that she could find a happy life (while I was doing nothing for her but banging her) and hoped for her happiness.
Today...I realize that she'll never find happiness, because what guy would ever fucking want to settle down with her? Why in the fuck would anyone want to settle down with someone and raise someone else's spawn after she's been used up and thrown away? Hell, she probably had a few guys that might have done it too, but she was too busy riding the carousel to care.
I ain't mad at these girls, you have to understand that they are brainwashed from the time they are little girls to be "independent" their mission in their 20s is to fuck as many guys as they can because it's "liberating."
I don't hate them for it at all, but I would never marry one of them. It will be funny to see the millennial women that are screwed once we get to our 30s. I'm 29, I'm one of the oldest millennials, we are getting close to our 30s, soon everyone in their 30s will have been born in the 80s and grown up in the 90s (you know when "girl power" became a dominant theme in our popular culture).
We are really the first generation of men to realize how out of balance our social system is and we're not going to let what happened to our fathers, uncles, and older cousins and brothers happen to us.
It's the 80s born women who will pay the price for the misguided notions that were taught to them by their older sisters and their childless career women aunts.
Maybe the 90s born girls will see what happens and change their attitudes, but don't count it.
I viscerally find nice guys repulsive, but it's hard to put my finger on why. Most of them are pretty upfront that they want sex / relationship - they just make it clear they want friendship and "getting to know her" first.
My favorite part is where the writer assumes no personal responsibility. It's not that he was a pedestalizing ass-kisser; it's that she didn't respond favorably to it and fall in love with him.
Let me take a moment to break from tradition. I lurk quite a bit. (Imma break the 4th wall and say: downvotes inc!)
I think that this article (and this forum) is a little whiny. Good guys aren't finding success with women and they are looking for someone to blame. It's easy to settle into the mindset that the problem is external. The fox and the grapes comes to mind
Example:
Guy takes girl on date and blathers about his job (women like men with jobs, right?). She's utterly bored. No 2nd date. The guy concludes (incorrectly) that this bitch just wants a tattooed gang banger. It feels good to blame her because then you won't have to confront that you're a boring guy.
In reality he's boring. Not her best choice.
Example:
My current girlfriend told me that women have "types" that they tend to go for. Some women like clean cut, others like mountain men, etc. If you're a super nice guy, but not her type, how would you know? You won't know. So you'll just conclude "she hates nice guys (aka: false positive on your conclusion)
Human beings constantly pursue the best possible option for themselves at any given moment. In my experience, this usually manifests itself with women blowing off "Mr. Right (boring)" in exchange for "Mr. Right Now (exciting)". Sure. It's a short-sighted choice. But hey, most people (not just women) are seeking instant gratification.
We're all huddled around /r/TheRedPill bashing women, but really it's about humanity. People pick the best choice. Own up to the fact that you're not (in your current state) the best choice. Change yourself as necessary to reach your goals. (JBY is bullshit, we all know).
TLDR: Let's not forget that men only fuck hot women. All humans have preferences. Let's not whine that you're not her best choice at that moment. She's not the one with the problem. You are, for being boring. Man up. Get better. Learn. Win.
But hey, most people (not just women) are seeking instant gratification.
Have to disagree wholeheartedly here. Though both sexes are capable of deficiencies in abstract thinking, women by far and away take the biggest slice of pie in this department.
Want proof? Look at any dating site, walk through any supermarket or mall, and observe all of the single, never-married mothers toting around bastard children born out of wedlock. These women were DETERMINED to have a baby, whether the father was down for the struggle or not. Bringing a child into the world fatherless is perhaps one of the MOST SHORT-SIGHTED thing a woman can do, and women do it in this country by the MILLIONS per year. Having the cute little fuck trophy is the "instant gratification" they seek, because let me tell you from personal observation, NO WOMAN gets more love, attention, and validation than a pregnant woman/new mother. They soak that shit up like a sponge.
They fail to comprehend the two decades of difficulty, poverty, and poor parenting that will follow after the baby-honeymoon wears off.
"But JP, what about DEADBEAT DADS, huh?!?!!? Why don't you fault them, huh?!?!"
I say, because women FUCK DEADBEATS. Deadbeat dads are NOT created by men, they are created by women who FUCK DEADBEATS, like the women this guy references in his article, the women who fuck the "bad boys" with the neck tattoos and then pop out their babies.
The reason most men, when they find out their GF is pregnant, want a "plan B" or an abortion, is because they are taking the "long view" of things, and are quickly realizing this will end badly for everybody, him, the woman, and the potential baby. And don't feed me any bullshit about a woman's "convictions against abortion" on religious grounds. Christianity says abortion is wrong, but Christianity also says premarital sex is wrong. You don't get to pick and choose which "religious morals" you want to adhere to.
So no, the "instant gratification" concept is not equally divided amongst the sexes. Men want a wet dick; women can potentially want a fuck trophy.
Hate to say this, but your reply seems very sexist.
You're making blanket statements about each gender that are not really defensible, provable, etc. Maybe I'm off base here, but I'm getting the read that you hate women.
Sure, some women are borderline crazy. But not all.
TRP is pro-men, not necessarily anti-women.
Essentially you've stated that wise men want to abort, but the selfish woman wants attention and instant gratification. This just doesn't jibe with my worldview. Sure it happens, but it's no way the "way things are".
There are plenty of examples where the "deadbeat guy" was around for the sex (lying to the woman about his "love") and then took off during the pregnancy. (That's one of the reasons that child support is a thing). The point I'm making is that both happen. To say one happens more than the other requires a scientific study, otherwise it's just confirmation bias.
Also, you're saying that it's the woman's fault for fucking a deadbeat guy. I don't necessarily agree with this, but let's go with it. That means that in all 3 scenarios the woman is to blame and the man is the victim:
Scenario 1: The guy is a deadbeat to begin with: Woman's fault for fucking him
Scenario 2: The guy wants an abortion, but the woman disagrees: Woman just wants attention. That whore
Scenario 3: The guy is a stand up guy, but they get pregnant anyway: Women was probably off her birthcontrol. That lying bitch
As I would call "Equal Opportunity" the same thing as Reverse Racism. I think TRP is turning into Sexism/Reverse-Sexism.
You can't be everything to everyone all the time. You have to choose to be "nice" or to be "fun" without really knowing what the girl is into. If she's not into "nice" right now, then you lose (and vice-versa).
This is just another example of an article that's complaining about JBY.
Should ugly girls do a posting whining about how men only want to fuck them when they are drunk? It's the same thing. Women only go for nice guys when they are drunk past the wall.
What is this the 50's? Honestly that is a horrible idea for a 1stish date.. Meet at a pub, meet at a coffee shop, or invite her over for dinner and a movie make sure there's an actual sexual connection before shelling out coin.. you can still do all that white knight crap and not lose 150$ on a dinner.
Women (maybe subconsciously) don't want that, at least not at the beginning most girls who order 100$ rib-eye are users.. Just like men can be users too.
Picking out a Audi? No, spend that money on a proper sense of style, ditch the unibrow, work the fuck out and don't be god damn boring; Don't have some epic stories? Get off your ass and get some travel, see some cool shit, read interesting things.
Whining about girls going for the "bad boys" gets you where? become a bad boy tease them, make them chase you, show off your wealth without wasting it on them.
Read some PUA crap or honestly read some self help books (I'm sorry but that author has low self esteem in my mind) help yourself understand that there is no reason to put that pussy on a pedestal.. you want it? get off your ass and (L)earn it.
This isn't alpha at all, alpha is not letting things phase you, learning from the experience and moving on, this is beta, writing a whiny article about it ten years later. Move on
That's one of the whiniest, most self-pitying things I've ever read. No wonder he's had it rough.
I read the bit that it was a response to though - THAT chick is a shitty person.
I've tried online dating for thirteen months now, both on Plentyoffish and OKCupid. I recently checked my profile rating with the r/okcupid bot and I got a rating of 5000 (between 1000 and 10000) meaning absolute mediocrity on the OKCupid search algorithm in terms of users who have rated my profile between 1 star and 5 stars. When OKCupid themselves acknowledge from cold, hard facts that 80% of male users are rated by women as looking worse-than-average - suggesting women are far pickier in choosing a sexual partner or relationship than men - that 5000 rating becomes fucking depressing. It basically says "You're too unattractive to ever have a girlfriend or a one-night stand, so you may as well give up and focus on something else."
Anybody who has ever tried online dating for more than a few months will quickly lose their faith in humanity and the notion that being nice and respectful to a woman is the best way to get on her good side. You spend minutes consistently typing out thoughtful messages to people who you think you'd click very well with and try to strike a meaningful conversation, then send it, 99% of the time to be outright ignored in a very rude manner. It doesn't matter who you message, whether the bimbo who only listed two interests, "partying and hanging out with friends" or who has written just "message me if u wanna find out more", or the seemingly intelligent women who actually put effort into their profiles. And this is seen as the perfect etiquette on a dating site.
The funny thing is I saw a thread on r/okcupid yesterday about a woman (the OP) who received several rather irate messages from a guy whose rather polite prior messages she outright blanked for almost a week before he actually started calling her a loser and an ignorant 'wannabe engineer' bitch. Instead of blocking him, she decides to post the message log and shame him on the subreddit.
I had to delete two comments on that thread because of the crap I was getting in terms of downvotes, comments back and PMs, simply because I explained why the OP's excuses not to respond to the person's messages (to discourage shitty behaviour) were null and void due to the fact he was polite until five days had passed; then explained why a simple, polite 'not interested' message would have been nicer than outright ignorance (It's direct, it's honest, it leaves no ambiguity and it's respectful.) Apparently 'victim blaming' is not allowed on the subreddit.
Consider the fact that this is the norm. Is it not surprising that after so many months of ignorance, a guy could finally snap and start flinging irate (or at least passive-aggressive) messages acknowledging a female user's ingorance? Isn't it rather shitty that men aren't allowed to have breaking points and must be macho and must constantly have a thick skull whereas women get a free pass?
/r/okcupid is a cesspool of white knight faggotry and is completely over run by "m'ladys". Back when I still had some faith in mainstream subreddits I posted my profile for a critique there (i know..i know) and the white knights there simply lambasted me. I am x100 more attractive then most of the guys there, and they all told me my "pictures sucked" and that I "seemed like a douchebag". I just laughed at them. The reason they said i was a douche was because I had recently modified my profile to be less all inclusive. I found that strategy actually produced much better results than what I had before. Instead of doing the typical "These are my favorite movies, I'm a pretty open minded guy, I like dogs, hanging out with friend, ect" I changed it up to be more excluding of other people, as in "If you do _ do NOT message me." or "I don't have time for you if ". It made a big difference in the messages i got and responses i received, because instead of coming off as a "guy who just wants a nice girl" whom they could toy with, I was coming off as someone who knew where the fuck they stood and wasn't going to have my time wasted. It worked. Naturally, the betas over on that subreddit hated me for it.
That depends on you. Anything you feel like you don't have time for, just throw it out there unapologetically. And to answer your second question, I don't care to put anything politely. Because half the appeal when a girl is reading that is how you say it. Because the how is more of a statement than what you are actually saying. Being unapologetic is key.
I'll add that it's not what you're exclusive towards, but the simple fact that you are exclusive. It shows you're coming from a position of strength, and abundance. Unlike all the beta white knights on there who are just throwing out a net and hoping to drag in whatever they can. This puts them automatically at a disadvantage, and it's sad they can't recognize that. They know that girls have hundreds of times the options that they have, and they decide to play by these rules (which have been stacked against them) rather than break the rules altogether.
On that experiment OKCupid did, I'd like to see the profile descriptions specifically used, since QuickMatch tends to also show full profile descriptions as opposed to POF which just shows profile pictures along with "WOULD YOU DATE THIS PERSON? YES/MAYBE/NO."
Profile descriptions have also influenced my ratings. If I see someone hot but it looks like she's put zero effort into her profile description, I will rate her a 2 or less, or perhaps a 3 if I am feeling generous.
when i used to use online dating i would go out of my way to be a creep/jerk. calling girls sluts, whores, nigger lovers,etc...telling them i was a psycho ex-convict. it works man, fuck being a 'nice guy'
Perhaps if women were graded/ranked based on speed and percentage of replies. I'm sure high quality guys that the women all want to reply to them probably would only pick women who reply quickly and often.
They implemented that on OkCupid (you got a little indicator on your profile telling people how often you replied - often, selectively, very selectively) and women threw a shitfit on the forums about it.
It basically says "You're too unattractive to ever have a girlfriend or a one-night stand, so you may as well give up and focus on something else."
I hope you dont believe that about yourself. Your results in online dating are gonna be more based off of your looks than your results would be in person. You can offset that partially by having the balls to approach girls in person. It can often be enough to raise your value enough to get with some fuckable girl, given some perseverance and a few attempts with different girls. A lot of girls do respect it when a guy comes up to hit on them in person, especially during the day.
So what I'm saying is that what you lack in looks, you can make up with in confidence, sense of humor, whatever. I promise you that youre not hopeless. Just put in the work to become a better version of yourself and things will work out for you. If a women is average looking and in shape, there is pretty much nothing she can do to raise her status. As men we can improve ourselves and raise our SMV, thats our gift.
Unfortunately I do believe that. Believe it or not I've had worse luck in person than through online dating.
At least on POF, I had two dates in the space of about 5 months. The first was with a really polite girl with blurry profile pictures. It's not the fact she turned out to have a mild case of NF-1 but rather the fact we never really had much in common that made me decide not to go on a second date. The second date was with a rather untalkative girl who basically met me for coffee and walked out on me 10 minutes in because 'her sister had a baby.'
Things can get better. I'm not saying it'll be easy for you, cause it wont be, and Im not saying its fair, cause its not, but things won't get better for you unless you put the work in to improve yourself. You may have to put in more work than other guys, and its not fair, but its the reality and you can do it if you want to. Growing as a person is a painful but necessary process and it's worth it.
Finding a passion, improving your confidence, getting a professional haircut, dressing better, lifting, etc. can all help.
There are some youtube videos by a group called simple pickup that really encouraged me and showed that confidence really is extremely important. In this one the guy picks up girls while wearing a suit covering his face. They're not part of the pick up artist community either, they mostly just say stupid shit to entertain themselves and the girls end up liking the confidence. Only one of the three is good looking.
If you put the work in, you can change things. You're not powerless, I promise you that.
I actually meant the last guy that shows up in the intro, the RATM shirt guys is an average looking indian guy. But when they're dressed ridiculous like that, I guess the indian guy was the least ridiculous.
I dunno - the "nice guys aren't that nice" bit has a glimmer of truth to it.
The stereotypical BP guy is - whether it's true or not - frequently seen as being "nice" in an attempt to manipulate women into bed.
This blog post obviously has a glimmer of RP to it: "I've just figured out that I have developed real value over the course of the last ten years. Which is more than can be said for the girls who wouldn't give me the time of day when we were in college together."
The stereotypical BP guy is - whether it's true or not - frequently seen as being "nice" in an attempt to manipulate women into bed.
That is just female/feminist propaganda. Online, it has really picked up as a backlash against the 'friendzone' meme a year or two back.
The 'Nice Guys' are not manipulative. They are committing what for them is a straightforward transaction: they will act nice to a girl, and she will recognize that they are what she wants. And they try to go for this because all females rave on about how they just want a 'Nice Guy'.
So no, these idiots are not manipulative, they are victims of manipulation.
Bingo. NiceGuys can appear manipulative, but they are operating on outdated advice and teachings that lead them to believe women wanted nice men. To say that being nice is manipulation is a twisted kind of doublespeak that completely ignores the original demand for men to be nice in the first place.
It couldn't be more clear that women will never be honest about what they really want because then they would have to admit what they really are.
Or, for that matter, hamstering away an instinctive "not attracted" reaction that never had that much thought go into it in the first place.
Nevertheless, the underlying reasoning isn't all that important. The important thing is that the man who doesn't seem to bothered about getting the woman into bed is the one who's getting laid. The subject of the blog post seems to be having a great time with women now he's that bit older - I guess now he's not having to put so much effort in, he doesn't come across as "trying too hard".
Yeah, I was rolling my eyes pretty heavily when his little rant droned on and on about one expensive date. That has fail written all over it. Nothing about a date like that is going to make a girl attracted to you. I mean, once you've had sex with her, by all means do the fancy date thing. But just taking ye olde random girl out like that is a recipe for exactly the sort of failure he describes.
He doesn't know why he failed, because as you say, he's a stereotypical BP - but in a way it is his fault.
Also, bragging about a gift you gave (and that's what paying for a date is) is really low class.
Thoughtcatalog has hit the jack pot for farming comments and views. Just pit TRP/MRA against TBP/tumblr feminists. Thank god for adblock, I don't want to give revenue to this circus. I bet the author of this article and the author of last one are both laughing all the way to the bank.
I suggest that you can apply the Kübler-Ross model (5 stages of grief) to RP acceptance.
Denial - Blue pill central station.
Anger - This guys text for example. His anger and resentment shine through.
Bargaining - Not a strong example but I guess it would be returning to the market but looking for unicorns, ie trying to find someone who is "not like that"
Depression - Can't find unicorn and giving up. MGTOW, work^2, hitting gym, staying home playing video games.
Acceptance - Not just understanding RP, but accepting RP and applying the necessary changes to yourself, your attitudes and most importantly your interactions.
It's very likely that the article was written for the men stuck in the anger phase. Remember, the modern 'journalism' industry is filled to the brim with click bait/pandering blog posts.
Bargaining - Not a strong example but I guess it would be returning to the market but looking for unicorns, ie trying to find someone who is "not like that"
That is exactly what the bargaining phase is. Trying to negotiate yourself around TRP truths, trying to find somewhat or some situation (just date foreign girls / ect..) to maintain the belief that TRP doesn't apply to all women (NAWALT).
Depression is the whole "they are all sluts so why even bother trying to have a meaningful relationship". The part where the guy is still trying to hold onto their previous understandings of relationships.
I have no problems with women riding the carousel when they are younger. What I don't like is that many are really shitty people to the guys that really care about them. The use them, ignore them, lie to them about why they won't date them then go date a loser/bad boy.
They only get off the carousel because they have been kicked off. The nice guy is their security deposit on an easy life. Do they even respect him for it? No! They have not changed one bit they just have less options. The moment they can divorce him and take his cash, they will.
They give their best to abusive assholes and ruin the really good men out there. No thanks. Not interested.
She gives the best sexual years of her life to one or some Alphas, for free, and post-wall she wonders why is it wrong that a beta remunerates her past whorely crusades and jobs? Screw her.
So many of the commenters immediately jump to the assumption that "nice guys" think that they can have an expectation of sex purely because they're being nice.
Which no one is saying. The author of the piece says, a couple times, "I didn’t expect anything in return except a chance to win your heart".
He never once says "I should be getting sex because I held a door open or bought you a meal". Some of the commenters have the right idea - is it so unreasonable to think this guy might have the expectation that if he is nice and respectful, and shows he can provide by buying her things she asks for, that she will...gasp....show a little bit of interest? As opposed to texting other people throughout their date, drinking all of the wine he bought, not touching the food, and taking it home with her for later. How is THAT acceptable behaviour on a date?
I think part of the hamster is that 'nice guy' has been twisted into asshole who pretends to like you. I hate this. It trivializes men's emotions into only wanting sex.
Yes sure there are sycophantic pretend nice guys who will say and do nice things in order to get sex. However I think there are some really good men that get taken for a ride by a woman just because she can.
If you go into the dating game believing what women tell you and being that good guy, you are gonna get trampled on. Most women would never admit this as it would mess with their supply of betas.
This is coming from what I assume to be a woman that looks like Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs. I think Joe Rogan said it best when he said "don't take dating advise from anyone you wouldn't want to fuck".
Its fairly simple, if you reject me at any point and change your mind later I'm no longer interested. I don't want a woman that settled for me or changed her mind about me. If I wasn't good enough for you then you're not good enough for me now.
All I could think about after I read this was Nic Cage in Lord of War. When he tells simeon to essentially shove his gun up his own ass and pull the trigger. I believe the exact quote is "What do I think? I think you are the amateur now. I think you should go with your instincts, your first instinct. I'm the same man that was not good enough for you before, and I'm just not good enough for you now."
I agree with the concept that the author wrote, I just disagree with the way he presented it.
He needs to learn a lesson that I learned in my late 20s. Dating is a game you have to play to lose. You will get more rejections than women saying yes when you ask them out. When you find someone that wants go out with you, you have to remember the national average of first dates that lead to second dates is 1/8. The author made the mistake of dropping a lot cash on a first date. He should have done something smaller and simpler like meeting for coffee or lunch. If it goes well you can get a second date, if it goes bad your losses will be smaller.
"I get it though, now that you’re on the downside of 30, the wrinkles are starting, the body is sagging and you have stretch marks and that c-section scar from pushing out that bad boy’s rugrat. I know it was impossible to see that that deadbeat irresponsible jerk was actually a deadbeat irresponsible jerk, but that’s not my problem. While you were waiting for those texts that never came I was busy getting my career in order and maximizing my credit score. Now my biggest issue is deciding which color Audi I’m going to buy. Why in the world would I choose to take on you and your problems?"
Truth.
I was just trying to post this, didn't realise it already had.
And many women, if not most, will have the "older guy" experience at some point in their lives. This is in addition to all of the ones with "daddy issues" that trend towards (almost) exclusively dating older men. If you're an older guy there's no shortage of much younger women, you've just got to play the numbers and put yourself out there.
Bull shit. 42 with a 20 year old main and a 28yo on the side. Both are solid 7/8s. In the past 5 year I've banged girls ranging from 17 to 25 (16 is legal in my state before anyone calls Chris Hanson). I'm not super rich, just north of 100k a year, but I will confess that I have always been mistaken for being significantly younger than I am...I generally get told I look to be around 30. But It's not like I lie about my age to them - they all know exactly how old I am. It's also true that on occasion the age thing is a bit of a barrier, but it's never been a deal-breaker in and of itself. Quite frankly, if you have your shit together, you can get girls in any age range that you want.
Quite frankly, if you have your shit together, you can get girls in any age range that you want.
After putting a lot of work into myself, building my confidence and learning not to GAF what anyone thinks of me, this is absolutely true.
I have to beat the really young ones off with a stick and that level of interest has slowly risen across all notable age ranges the past year. I'm in shape. I bring that positive energy and get people laughing. I make okay money, but I don't need to be rich when my frame does all the talking for me.
No woman can just have me, and they hate it. Most of them don't actually really want me anyway, it just pisses them off when they realize they can't pull any strings when there's nothing for them to pluck. Part of the game is understanding women crave validation, and when you refuse to give that up on demand, it drives them crazy. I don't play games. I get what I want or I ignore them.
Listen guys, I love young girls and I am still able to fuck them. It is just super super hard. Women in their 30s, fucking easy (beta provider game, then you leave).
You can't compete with a young guy in his physical prime. You have to find a way to talk with a lot of them in a dominant position (teacher at uni for example...).
a.) There are dudes in their 70s deadlifting 400+ pounds and running marathons, unless you have some kind of horrific illness, your age doesn't matter here as much as you think, especially with the proper supplementation (if you even need it)
b.) Even if dudes in their 20s can POTENTIALLY achieve greater physical prowess than than someone in their 30s or 40s, and this I don't dispute, it's a very thin edge to exploit. It's a fantasy scenario, and in real life will probably only be done by college/professional athletes, most in their "physical prime" don't work themselves hard enough to be a threat to someone out of their prime that's put in real effort. I mean, look at the Boston Marathon finish times by age.
The dudes in their 50s on average are only SEVEN TO TEN PERCENT slower than those in their 20s. You just don't turn into a creaking mess unless you let yourself.
Again, to paraphrase Rollo, time is on your side, but you gotta use the time wisely.
If your competing with cut abs against 18 year olds your playing the wrong game. "Physical prime " is bullshit. Be strong, be cool, be masculine, be dominant, be a leader, have style, on and on. Men are in their prime in their 50s not their 20s
I can start a conversation with an 18 year old on the street. I don't need a position to manipulate.
I've scored more 18-22 year olds since I've passed 45 than in all the years prior. If what you're doing isn't working, do something different.
Well, one thing is that I don't directly "compete" for any girl's attention...that implies I'm trying to qualify myself to her somehow. Hell, I'll sit with a girl and poke fun at the guys trying to get her attention, or make a game of telling her which guys she should try and pick up. Yeah, If I wanted to get into a posing contest with some ripped 22 year old Alpha, then I'd probably come out on the losing end. That's where experience and wisdom comes into play, though. Don't play their game, make them play yours.
College campuses, mainly. I'm lucky enough to live in an area near several decent sized universities and a number of small colleges. There are always parties going on, which are usually better than bars/clubs for pick ups, in my experience. Also just hanging out on campus, the library, sporting complex and the like.
Yep. What else should I be doing at 42? Settled down with some girl whose sex drive drops while her weight goes up? Getting my "Honey do" list done every weekend so I can get back to slaving away during the week to feed her materialistic instincts? Waiting around for her to discover she's "not happy" so she can walk away with half my resources? Sorry, but I'm not interested in following the "traditional" script for my life...I do what pleases me, and if there's someone in my life that has an issue with that, they're free to go associate with someone else.
I stopped buying women flowers long ago at age 20, those are strictly reserved for after marriage and my mom. They do nothing but tell a woman you're dating that you're a doormat.
My ex sent flowers to my home a year after dumping me thinking I would suddenly forgive her and want to be her best friend to string along in case she never finds anything better, aka prince charming richie rich who only exists to find, court and care for her needs. LOL
It's funny really, as beta as I was. There was never a dead bedroom in my last LTR. I'm not trying to boast but she told me just about every time I made her cum. More than once, frequently. That's probably why.
High value non sluts that were raised by a father and not a gold digging slut appreciate real heart felt gifts. If a woman invites me over, makes dinner and fucks my brain out I'll reward her with flowers or something. Why? Because she deserves and appreciates it.
Rules change of course after you've been intimate and/or committed to a woman, but I think OP's post was detailing the early stages before sex, aka the friend zone.
You only will give a woman a gift if she fucks you? I was asking in the context of a relationship, which I would assume would already involve dates and sex.
A woman inviting you over for dinner and then fucking you probably doesn't mean she's a 'non slut'.
Gifts in general have been bad in my experience. I will occasionally pay for dinner if the woman shows genuine interest beyond friendship, but rewarding a woman just for agreeing to a date or just for being there is a sign of desperation and it's almost always percieved as corny or as a sign of expectations to the women I usually date, even if they're down to earth, it's just too old school for women of today. If you're married to her though, the rules change of course.
You never give a gift to a girl, you give a reward.
Things like flowers / ect.. need to be rewards for good behavior and never EVER as a reward for bad behavior (make up gift). If she does something super sexy one night, or has been really supportive of you through a hard time, then you can give some something special as a reward.
What about in an already established relationship? Not your wife, but a long term girlfriend?
I understand the logic in not wanting to buy a girl you've only been on a couple of dates with gifts, but it seems weird to me that you wouldn't do a simple gesture like buy flowers for a girl who you're in an established relationship with just because you weren't married. Assuming you were in a happy, healthy relationship of course.
I'm not trying to stir the pot, I really just don't understand.
This is not the writing of a successful man with his shit together. This is the whining of a blubbering thirty-something who wasn't very interesting in his twenties and still isn't today.
I love the concept of TRP but when examples like this make it to the front page, I'm afraid most of the subreddit is based off wishful thinking, not real-life practice.
Jeez, it finally hit me that that the 20-year-old art student I banged last week would have walked all over me when I was 20. Moreover, she probably has lots of nice orbiters who are genuinely interested in her but now she's after me, who doesn't care too much. How sad.
18-25, I feel like that number is increasing to 30 in this day and age for women, while a man's value increases over time with success where the growth of value depends on the steepness of the success.
A phrase often used by Social Justice advocates to dismiss biological facts.
A term usually used in leftist circles to derisively refer to someone who uses their misunderstood notions of human biology and/or evolutionary psychology to justify their heinous, ignorant, and/or bigoted views.
Good job: Way to discredit something via derision, without actually refuting the claims/statement with any evidence whatsoever, beyond occasionally an anecdote which does nothing to critically assess the general topic. (In this instance there is no anecdote, merely a lackadaisical attributed misnomer, in an effort to ease your personal cognitive dissonance)
It’s about time you matured and came to your senses about the thugs and losers you just couldn’t resist.
Except that they don't. They never come to their senses about the reality of their behaviours.
Women will always invent reasons or excuses for what they did in order to feel good right now. And the excuses they invent will vary depending on what their feelings demand of them.
Overall this is a well-written piece. But it's well-written for men, not for women (even though it's addressed to a hypothetical woman).
Women are too preoccupied with telling their own stories to hear this.
There is a small amount of wisdom here (being successful will attract women, for many men the golden age of attraction comes later in life) but it's hidden under a layer of crybaby angst and some stupid "revenge" plot. I can tell that the guy who wrote this will still be unsuccessful with women, because he has resigned himself to professional victimhood.
The reality is that it's your fault if you let women take advantage of you. After it happens once or twice you should wisen the fuck up and learn how to to play the game instead of crying about it's not fair. The game isn't fair. Life is not fair. Deal with it.
Pre-wall, no self-respecting woman should fuck a blue pill guy trying to impress her. Can't blame her for using him instead, if he lets her. He is un-fuck-able.
Post-wall, no self-respecting man should settle for sloppy seconds, or technically sloppy fiftieths. Can't blame him for using her instead, if she lets him. She is un-marry-able.
DAEHateRatheism 11y ago
I don't like how refusing to date post-wall sluts is often presented as some sort of revenge. It's incredibly weak and petty to shun them for those reasons alone.
The true justification should simply be that these women are low value and have very dishonest and transparent motives, and therefore are undatable.
Feeling bitter and resentful strikes me as being somewhat purple pill. A red piller would accept that he was undatable in his 20s and seek to maximize his happiness from here on out.
Meglomaniac 11y ago
They need to be judged on exactly the same level as any other women.
They lost value in the physical side because of their advanced age and miles on her body. If she makes that up with other things, then I wont hold her age against her.
Its like we say on TRP "All I want is sex, if thats all you have to offer"
DoesntCareForNegroes 11y ago
Why would you chase after a dumb slut that uses you for money and fucks her ex behind your back? Because she's hot, and you're putting her looks over her personality. You're chasing after what you're attracted to, not what will make you happy in the long run. Which is exactly what she is doing too.
You shouldn't give these whores a minute of your time once you find out who they really are.
shamanbard 11y ago
Who says it's a revenge mentality? Slutty women who fucked around in their 20s milking guys for their money now gettin milked for sexual access by the sorts of guys they used to milk for money. Cosmic balance, brother.
The whole point of the article is to call out the shitty behavior of these sluts. Men need to take the lead with women, yes?
DAEHateRatheism 11y ago
It often has that vibe, but it doesn't have to.
This article had definite hints of it.
SQQQ 11y ago
this is the same kind of shame tactic bullshit that landwhales use against blue pillers - calling them losers for refusing to date them.
red pillers don't give a shit. we go for whoever is young, hot n tight.
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Instead of "I don't like," he should have said "I don't understand."
That would've made more sense, because a slut is a slut. They serve their purpose in society just like a plumber or a receptionist or the POTUS.
Does McDonalds not sell their hamburgers to people who say "I hate McDonalds!"?
When people are drunk, hungry, and wandering around down-town, money is still money. McDonalds doesn't sit up on its high horse saying "No! YOU said I was gross!" McDonalds will take your money all the same and give you that same nasty burger.
nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago
Well said.
If you're angry, it's because you still haven't really accepted the truth.
And if you haven't accepted the truth, you're still wasting your life. Tick tock. That's the sound of even more of your life going by while you harbor anger over things you can't change.
trplurker 11y ago
The anger is a necessary part of the process. Some people get stuck in it longer then others, but it needs to come and they need to deal with how they feel before they can move on. Trying to gloss over that stage or avoid it will just result in a very bad understanding of TRP and the person will never fully actualize themselves.
It goes something like this, Anger at women (those fucking sluts did all that shit to me, fuck them!)
Anger at self (why the fuck did I let those sluts treat me this way)
Anger at the world (fuck everyone, all these whining beta assholes are making these sluts like this and fucking everything up)
Eventually they realize that the anger is counter productive, this realization can't come externally it must be self generated. They gotta realize that being angry at women / self / world is about as useful as being angry that water is wet or that fire burns. Then comes the acceptance that just how the world is and the only option is to adjust yourself to be whatever you want to be and to seek your own happiness rather then being pissed at everyone else.
Then the real fun begins.
zirzo 11y ago
denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.
Spooge_Tits 11y ago
I'm in the infrared scale of TRP, but does it really matter if you date at all, if you are happy as you are now?
39andNotFine 11y ago
Ever heard the phrase, the truth hurts? What about, The truth will set you free? Sometimes it has to hurt before it sets you free.
RedBigMan 11y ago
Sometimes the person set free isn't you, it's the person you shunned when you were at your sexual prime and he was on the upswing in his career.
bitchdantkillmyvibe 11y ago
Exactly, this whole post-wall revenge fantasy bullshit is fucking lame, and doesn't really have a place here. It reeks of bitterness, resentment and spite, all weak, negative emotions no true, content man would hold onto.
Don't be angry at the woman who wouldn't date you because you were a 'nice guy'. Wake up and realize it was because you were a boring dolt, who could fucking blame her?
einexile 11y ago
Anyone who has ever made a serious life decision based on reflection and foresight.
Humankeg 11y ago
Its more about not accepting less then you you know you can get. There is nothing wrong with bitterness, as it keeps the memories of your failure as a man from fading.
I didn't get anger out of his article, I got experience and knowledge obtained that he just simply will not put up with this type of women anymore which is perfectly legit.
AnotherLostCause 11y ago
That is what I got from it, he is voicing his contempt and telling them to piss off and leave him alone cause whatever they are selling he isn't buying.
[deleted] 11y ago
Agree!
I'd add that, in addition to anger, if there is even a slightest sign of hatred towards women (sluts or not), that is further indication of left-over blue/purple pill-ness.
A red piller's contentment and happiness is not totally based on how women relates to him.
[deleted] 11y ago
Lol, why the downvotes? Do you really want to keep hating women?
RedBigMan 11y ago
Probably because purple pill does not exist.
You're either all in and choking down that bitter red pill or you're happily popping blue flavored placebos like they belong in a PEZ dispenser.
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MelodyMyst 11y ago
One mans experience report may be anecdotal. When combined with X number of other experience reports become something more than anecdotal.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 11y ago
The comment section is up in arms because nobody gets it. This thoughtcatalog post is responsive to that previous post where the woman writes how she's sorry she was an idiot, but she's ready to date a nice guy now. It's not an actual message to some girl this guy went on one date with 15 years ago, but that's how the comment section is taking it.
"OMG! You're not a nice guy at all! Nice guys wouldn't hold a grudge for 15 years!"
RedBigMan 11y ago
Nice guys dont wait 15 years for nasty nineteenths. They move on and bang the girl 15 years younger than you.
MelodyMyst 11y ago
Based on the number of people who seemed to be commenting while not knowing this was a response to another article I would say that the author did not make it clear what he was writing about. I read the article being discussed here but had already read the original and 5 or 6 different responses, from both sides, to it.
This particular article says nothing about the original. To be fair to some of the commenters, right or wrong, not everybody got to that article on the same path.
vengefully_yours 11y ago
Fuckin eh, I'm not nice. I don't forgive assholes even after thirty years, fifteen is nothing. Hell yeah they take it personally because they see themselves described in it.
RedPill4LYF 11y ago
Ding ding ding! I fucking love it when rational people speak the truth. This is what I come here for.
trplurker 11y ago
Yep. It hits home so hard because it's so fucking true. Women will seek short term emotional gratification over long term happiness. Makes complete sense from an evolutionary point of view, the female homo sapiens might not live to the fruits of her long term decisions but she can pump out more babies right now.
They are up in arms because it does describe them, they have done that to men and then rationalized it away. Until someone points out that their future human ATM isn't going to be there.
through_a_ways 11y ago
This argument can be applied to literally any incentive that takes place in the future.
Women sluttin' it up makes evolutionary sense in the same way that not finding a job, living off of welfare, and not cleaning up after yourself makes evolutionary sense.
It does, don't get me wrong, but I think that some people reading your post may not see the broad scope of this argument, and instead see female sexual selection as some sort of "special" case which should be forgiven because it's evolutionarily "natural".
vengefully_yours 11y ago
Exactly right.
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
That's just solipsism. Only the hamster exists in this universe, and that hamster was a big slut in her 20s so of course he's talking directly to them.
nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago
But you have to admit, he wrote it that way. He really harps on that supposedly expensive date. It's fucking pathetic. Of course he didn't get laid from that. It sounds boring.
It's a classic example of the very definition of the red pill. He did the expensive date because he was told that would impress a woman. He was told, "this is how you court a lady." That's the blue-pill lie that the world sold him. And he lived his entire life with no fucking clue what he had no success.
Then this woman comes along and says, "ok dude, I'm finally finished fucking everyone else - I am now, at long last, ready to stoop to your level." I get that he kind of lost it. It's pure blue pill rage.
I would love to pop out of a fucking time portal during one of his dates and say, "dude, I bring good news and tidings of great joy: the truth is, women aren't turned on by this kind of bullshit - here's a list of attributes and behaviors that actually do work!"
If you flip the genders on this, imagine some below average girl who constantly talks about her dedication to her career, because everyone told her men love that shit. Then one day, she reads an article by a guy that says, "ok, I guess I'm done banging strippers two-at-a-time, I'm now ready to settle down with a career woman!" She'd flip her shit too.
And my response would be the same. Her failure to be attractive was a result of a lie that she was told about the nature of attractiveness. If I could go back in time and give her some red pill advice, I could help her out. Have a career. That's awesome. More power to you! But most men aren't attracted to that alone.
If you want to get laid, you have to cultivate traits and exhibit behaviors that the opposite sex finds attractive. Duh.
Glenbert 11y ago
Sometime when I'm bored in traffic or something, I try to imagine doing this to my former self. and I wonder if I would actually even be willing to listen to my future self about any of it. ♂
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RaiseOnce 11y ago
Link to that post?
b0ltzmann138e-23 11y ago
I might get hell for this - but you can also turn the table - tap it and drop it.
As far as I'm concerned, what goes around comes around.
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"Oops, I'm pregnant" ... be careful.
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bassivemalls 11y ago
Yeah, we're going to need a field report when that actually happens.
Ishamoridin 11y ago
Today, you're my hero. Stick it to 'em!
mr_throwz 11y ago
Fuck that, I woulda scheduled all dates for the same day and told them they could be my harem. LOL
fuckpaypal 11y ago
http://i.imgur.com/9lI5YRC.jpg
TheLastAutbot 11y ago
I rolled over this expecting some Denzel and you delivered. Mah nigga indeed.
Science_isthenewcool 11y ago
Gold...
b0ltzmann138e-23 11y ago
diggers
VZPurp 11y ago
easily baited
a_nus 11y ago
A girl I used to date at the height of my betaness (who left me to go ride other cocks) texted me last night saying she missed me and that we should grab a drink and hangout.
This is exactly what I'm going to do.
Profanebutsane2 11y ago
Write a field report?
b0ltzmann138e-23 11y ago
Go out for drinks - ain't nobody got time for that, just tell her to come over. Cheaper , easier, and you don't have to drive anywhere
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
It's so easy to fuck with their heads.
Chain escalation based on plausible deniability. That's what it is but there's a name for it. I think it was mentioned in an RSD video. You get her saying yes and keep doing things that are ok, and slowly it gets from point A to your bed.
"We're just gonna stop by my house, I need to get my other credit card"
"Fuck this we're already here, and we're going to the bar in 2 mins, let's pre drink, I've got this bottle of w/e, let's go out on the deck, check out my view"
now you're drinking wine together on your deck looking at your backyard or the night sky. Have some shit pre made that you can toss into the oven for a snack that takes 5 min to make.
"I'll be right back I gotta use the loo"
"I lied, I saw you were hungry and I wanted something so I got us some of these."
Now with food and wine, she's not gonna want to go to the bar. Get her to watch a movie with you, crank that heat down in your house. Have some blanket nearby somewhere. 10 min into the movie plop the blanket down on the other couch
"this is if it gets too cold for you"
As soon as she reaches for the blanket (assuming you haven't made a move already before this):
"If you're getting under there, I'm getting under there too"
Now you're both under a blanket watching a movie and sex is literally minutes away if you know how to escalate properly.
b0ltzmann138e-23 11y ago
Please continue - I'm already turned on
trplurker 11y ago
It's known as a yes ladder. It's a sales and persuasion technique upon which you start with an easy positive thing, then move on towards other position things in a chain until you reach the last thing, which was your goal. Initially they might not of agreed to the last thing, but by chaining together positive easily agreeably things first you created a positive feedback loop in their brain.
If the goal was to fuck her, then if you open with "hey come over to my house at X time" there is a good chance she'll turn you down. This is reality we live in, her ASD is going push her away because there is no plausible deniability. So first it's to meet up at a bar for some drinks, or maybe a pub or what not. Have a drink or three, chit chat and escalate with some kino to get her comfortable with you touching her and absolutely don't give off any negative vibes or judgements. Then advice to go "somewhere" else, but on the way you need to stop by at your place to pick something up. Then the rest kind of falls into place, especially since you've already prepared the environment and preplanned the entire thing. At the end you have some great sex and she has an exciting story, featuring her as the lead, about how it "just happened".
WingTune0 11y ago
Fuckin' A, that's good.
DarkSayed 11y ago
tap her one extra for us.
or just jizz on her face or something.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
Get her to go anal. I'm not even fucking kidding.
Toof 11y ago
Don't you give that bitch your jizz. You take your jizz and put it in your fucking pocket. Out-of-the-blue contacts like that ooze entrapment.
betagenic 11y ago
Or take a trip abroad and get Vasalgel/RISUG.
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
Hell she may already be pregnant with alpha fux seed. She'll bust out the oopsie on the good provider and hope paternity tests are banned in the next 9 months like in France
RedBigMan 11y ago
Or if she wants to move to France consider it a big red flag.
triglyceridesuicide 11y ago
Post updates, please.
hairaware 11y ago
9 months from now "bitch stole the condom!"
psycho-logical 11y ago
How often does this happen? There is a difference between vigilance and paranoia.
hairaware 11y ago
It was a joke. To be honest though would you want to be the one time it happened. Little effort for a great reward.
JP_Whoregan 11y ago
Fuck her brains out, cum on her face, then calmly stand up, and without saying a word, walk to her bathroom, rinse your junk off in her sink, flush the condom (fuck the plumbing, that's her problem), put your clothes back on, and just walk out the door. Go to the gas station and grab a Coke and a smile.
She'll be begging for more by Friday.
87GNX 11y ago
"bust a nut on her stomach, wash my dick in the sink, then buy a 40 at the store from the goddamn chink" --- UGK
tsotha 11y ago
Let me just point out here there's really no point in flushing the condom if you cum on her face.
Cyhawk 11y ago
Precum. It gets in the condom and can be used to get pregnant. Yes, you take every precaution.
ButterMyBiscuit 11y ago
He's saying if she's got jizz hanging off her chin, a bit of precum in a condom isn't worth worrying about.
wardser 11y ago
you can just wrap the condom in toilet paper like a cocoon and it wont' clog shit
charlie_bodango 11y ago
I read this as the other way around. Like take off the toilet paper roll, Stretch the jizzy condom over the whole thing, and put it back. I think I'll do this in the future. After draining the jizz, of course. Don't need that falling into the wring hands
rdesktop7 11y ago
What? Why would wrapping the rubber condom in TP make any difference?
Assaultman67 11y ago
It wouldn't.
kol15 11y ago
I'm no expert in toilet-paper-condom dynamics but, I'd imagine it has to do with altering the friction of the object (paper ain't gonna stick to a pipe as easily as latex) and/or reducing the condoms ability to snag on something
[deleted] 11y ago
But toilet paper is not flushable because of its coefficient of friction. Toilet paper is flushable because if it does snag, it will just disintegrate in the water in a few hours.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
Finally. You're the first person on here that has said this other than myself. I always roll the condom into a ball and tp over it into some kind of small ball shape that won't fall apart. Then I toss it in when the toilet water is low during the flush so it won't soak and unwrap.
JP_Whoregan 11y ago
You could, but why take the time at that point? You just emptied your balls on her face, gotta get outta there before her hamster can start spinning reasons why you're just walking out.
noblepaladin 11y ago
Wait, why do you have to flush the condom if you busted on her face?
JP_Whoregan 11y ago
Residue. You never know.
borderrat 11y ago
And this kind of thinking is exactly what TRP teaches against - wasting one's time in low-end, petty games that should have ended by the freshman year of college.
[deleted] 11y ago
Tap it cuz you can, not cuz of resentment.
borderrat 11y ago
That won't happen. He has a resentful history with her.
[deleted] 11y ago
Yup, resentment is poison in general.
O3EAN 11y ago
It's his own choice to make, TRP is amoral.
borderrat 11y ago
It's not about morals in relation to her, she's irrelevant. But every moment he wastes on her takes away from himself. He's weakening himself because she's still getting to him. Is this not clear?
__ROOSTER__ 11y ago
I don't thnk people know what amoral means.
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__ROOSTER__ 11y ago
The strategy is amoral, nothing says the strategist should be.
HeadingRed 11y ago
Holy shit, I could have wrote this one myself. In my 40's now and still bump into women I was helplessly trying to get in my 20's.
Saw one at a bar a few years ago. Was out with my current GF who looks great for her age. My onetime "gotta have her" had the cokehead nose (deviated septum), wrinkled leather skin (sun plus too much partying) and while not a whale had clearly let he figure slide way down. She was out with two other women (both fatter than her) and clearly looking. Stopped at her table to say hi.
I stopped with getting some satisfaction (hey look at me now). Left just feeling pity for her and glad for me that I dodged that bullet. She ended up with 4 kids from two different husbands.
SexWaffles 11y ago
Apparently they only get discriminatory about quality when it concerns the hole in their purse. Any other hole can be filled at will by a pretty enough face.
[deleted] 11y ago
This article was written by a blue pill beta bitch, oh, were on reddit, nm....
Mikesapien 11y ago
All that money and you go for an Audi? No wonder you repulsed her.
SariaLystra 11y ago
This sounds too resentful to be actually substantive on TRP. Nice read but does not contribute to the conversation. Doesn't help us get laid or better ourselves.
Post this to some feminist board.
Chatmauve 11y ago
That was my impression too. This articles read like some sad rant by some sour man.
Being awoken by the red pill doesn't mean you can simply rant at women. He simply sounds sad.
We all know most women are whores and bitches. Ranting about it won't change anything.
Bible_Black 11y ago
I don't know... it's a good example of exactly the attitude you don't want to adopt. This shit is pussy repellent. If you ever catch yourself thinking like this guy, just stop.
We already know shit isn't fair. Instead of crying about how under-appreciated we've been, we find out why and then work with the actual dynamics at play, discarding all the 'play nice' bullshit that society at large attempts to chastise us into accepting; effectively acquiring for us a lowly position in the pecking order instead of allowing us to fully realize our potential.
Teeth_of_Lions 11y ago
It read like a neckbeard revenge fantasy that held a grain of truth about depreciating SMV. Hamsters ain't hearin' it, though. Based on some of the comments to that article, holding a door for a woman has now become date abduction and premeditated rape. Watch out, fellas.
[deleted] 11y ago
I look forward to my 30s, I want to see how many wall-slamming bitches that blew me off back in the day hit me up. Should be interesting. Of course, I'll only pump and dump at most.
Exactly_what_I_think 11y ago
Yes, low priority, second string, pump and dump.
Sirinon 11y ago
In 25 and I get it now, the single mothers kids grow past toddlers and they realize "oh shit, raising this kid alone will be neither empowering or easy" or they let themselves go and get a shock when guys treat them differently.
Don't get me wrong I do feel sorry for them but I'm not going to pick up their slack.
[deleted] 11y ago
Don't feel sorry for them, they made their bed.
Kaelteth 11y ago
I have a former plate and FWB that I used to feel really bad for. 4 spawn, 3 different fathers, and basically because of that a completely shit life. I used to always wish that she could find a happy life (while I was doing nothing for her but banging her) and hoped for her happiness.
Today...I realize that she'll never find happiness, because what guy would ever fucking want to settle down with her? Why in the fuck would anyone want to settle down with someone and raise someone else's spawn after she's been used up and thrown away? Hell, she probably had a few guys that might have done it too, but she was too busy riding the carousel to care.
kborz1 11y ago
Why do these things always sound like such whine-fests?
windycityman 11y ago
I ain't mad at these girls, you have to understand that they are brainwashed from the time they are little girls to be "independent" their mission in their 20s is to fuck as many guys as they can because it's "liberating."
I don't hate them for it at all, but I would never marry one of them. It will be funny to see the millennial women that are screwed once we get to our 30s. I'm 29, I'm one of the oldest millennials, we are getting close to our 30s, soon everyone in their 30s will have been born in the 80s and grown up in the 90s (you know when "girl power" became a dominant theme in our popular culture).
We are really the first generation of men to realize how out of balance our social system is and we're not going to let what happened to our fathers, uncles, and older cousins and brothers happen to us.
It's the 80s born women who will pay the price for the misguided notions that were taught to them by their older sisters and their childless career women aunts.
Maybe the 90s born girls will see what happens and change their attitudes, but don't count it.
_Just_do_it 11y ago
I'm gonna say that from what I've seen, the 90s girls aren't gonna change a damn thing. If anything, they'll make it worse.
Cross_of_Coronado 11y ago
I dont like the term "Nice Guy".
loveofnotes 11y ago
I practically came while reading this!
[deleted] 11y ago
Nice guys are Manipulative and not clear in their intent. If I were a girl, I wouldn't date those faggots either.
aaron_the_just 11y ago
I viscerally find nice guys repulsive, but it's hard to put my finger on why. Most of them are pretty upfront that they want sex / relationship - they just make it clear they want friendship and "getting to know her" first.
All things women claim they want.
long-lostfriend 11y ago
My favorite part is where the writer assumes no personal responsibility. It's not that he was a pedestalizing ass-kisser; it's that she didn't respond favorably to it and fall in love with him.
michael98118 11y ago
Let me take a moment to break from tradition. I lurk quite a bit. (Imma break the 4th wall and say: downvotes inc!)
I think that this article (and this forum) is a little whiny. Good guys aren't finding success with women and they are looking for someone to blame. It's easy to settle into the mindset that the problem is external. The fox and the grapes comes to mind
Example:
Guy takes girl on date and blathers about his job (women like men with jobs, right?). She's utterly bored. No 2nd date. The guy concludes (incorrectly) that this bitch just wants a tattooed gang banger. It feels good to blame her because then you won't have to confront that you're a boring guy.
In reality he's boring. Not her best choice.
Example:
My current girlfriend told me that women have "types" that they tend to go for. Some women like clean cut, others like mountain men, etc. If you're a super nice guy, but not her type, how would you know? You won't know. So you'll just conclude "she hates nice guys (aka: false positive on your conclusion)
Human beings constantly pursue the best possible option for themselves at any given moment. In my experience, this usually manifests itself with women blowing off "Mr. Right (boring)" in exchange for "Mr. Right Now (exciting)". Sure. It's a short-sighted choice. But hey, most people (not just women) are seeking instant gratification.
We're all huddled around /r/TheRedPill bashing women, but really it's about humanity. People pick the best choice. Own up to the fact that you're not (in your current state) the best choice. Change yourself as necessary to reach your goals. (JBY is bullshit, we all know).
TLDR: Let's not forget that men only fuck hot women. All humans have preferences. Let's not whine that you're not her best choice at that moment. She's not the one with the problem. You are, for being boring. Man up. Get better. Learn. Win.
Mikesapien 11y ago
This is my new mantra for the foreseeable future.
JP_Whoregan 11y ago
Have to disagree wholeheartedly here. Though both sexes are capable of deficiencies in abstract thinking, women by far and away take the biggest slice of pie in this department.
Want proof? Look at any dating site, walk through any supermarket or mall, and observe all of the single, never-married mothers toting around bastard children born out of wedlock. These women were DETERMINED to have a baby, whether the father was down for the struggle or not. Bringing a child into the world fatherless is perhaps one of the MOST SHORT-SIGHTED thing a woman can do, and women do it in this country by the MILLIONS per year. Having the cute little fuck trophy is the "instant gratification" they seek, because let me tell you from personal observation, NO WOMAN gets more love, attention, and validation than a pregnant woman/new mother. They soak that shit up like a sponge.
They fail to comprehend the two decades of difficulty, poverty, and poor parenting that will follow after the baby-honeymoon wears off.
"But JP, what about DEADBEAT DADS, huh?!?!!? Why don't you fault them, huh?!?!"
I say, because women FUCK DEADBEATS. Deadbeat dads are NOT created by men, they are created by women who FUCK DEADBEATS, like the women this guy references in his article, the women who fuck the "bad boys" with the neck tattoos and then pop out their babies.
The reason most men, when they find out their GF is pregnant, want a "plan B" or an abortion, is because they are taking the "long view" of things, and are quickly realizing this will end badly for everybody, him, the woman, and the potential baby. And don't feed me any bullshit about a woman's "convictions against abortion" on religious grounds. Christianity says abortion is wrong, but Christianity also says premarital sex is wrong. You don't get to pick and choose which "religious morals" you want to adhere to.
So no, the "instant gratification" concept is not equally divided amongst the sexes. Men want a wet dick; women can potentially want a fuck trophy.
michael98118 11y ago
Hate to say this, but your reply seems very sexist.
You're making blanket statements about each gender that are not really defensible, provable, etc. Maybe I'm off base here, but I'm getting the read that you hate women.
Sure, some women are borderline crazy. But not all.
TRP is pro-men, not necessarily anti-women.
Essentially you've stated that wise men want to abort, but the selfish woman wants attention and instant gratification. This just doesn't jibe with my worldview. Sure it happens, but it's no way the "way things are".
There are plenty of examples where the "deadbeat guy" was around for the sex (lying to the woman about his "love") and then took off during the pregnancy. (That's one of the reasons that child support is a thing). The point I'm making is that both happen. To say one happens more than the other requires a scientific study, otherwise it's just confirmation bias.
Also, you're saying that it's the woman's fault for fucking a deadbeat guy. I don't necessarily agree with this, but let's go with it. That means that in all 3 scenarios the woman is to blame and the man is the victim:
As I would call "Equal Opportunity" the same thing as Reverse Racism. I think TRP is turning into Sexism/Reverse-Sexism.
michael98118 11y ago
You can't be everything to everyone all the time. You have to choose to be "nice" or to be "fun" without really knowing what the girl is into. If she's not into "nice" right now, then you lose (and vice-versa).
This is just another example of an article that's complaining about JBY.
Should ugly girls do a posting whining about how men only want to fuck them when they are drunk? It's the same thing. Women only go for nice guys when they are
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devobd 11y ago
What is this the 50's? Honestly that is a horrible idea for a 1stish date.. Meet at a pub, meet at a coffee shop, or invite her over for dinner and a movie make sure there's an actual sexual connection before shelling out coin.. you can still do all that white knight crap and not lose 150$ on a dinner.
Women (maybe subconsciously) don't want that, at least not at the beginning most girls who order 100$ rib-eye are users.. Just like men can be users too.
Picking out a Audi? No, spend that money on a proper sense of style, ditch the unibrow, work the fuck out and don't be god damn boring; Don't have some epic stories? Get off your ass and get some travel, see some cool shit, read interesting things.
Whining about girls going for the "bad boys" gets you where? become a bad boy tease them, make them chase you, show off your wealth without wasting it on them.
Read some PUA crap or honestly read some self help books (I'm sorry but that author has low self esteem in my mind) help yourself understand that there is no reason to put that pussy on a pedestal.. you want it? get off your ass and (L)earn it.
huoyuanjiaa 11y ago
I liked it.
iDont_too 11y ago
This isn't alpha at all, alpha is not letting things phase you, learning from the experience and moving on, this is beta, writing a whiny article about it ten years later. Move on
iDont_too 11y ago
instead of negs, tell me why you think I'm wrong
Last_of_the_Knights 11y ago
That's one of the whiniest, most self-pitying things I've ever read. No wonder he's had it rough. I read the bit that it was a response to though - THAT chick is a shitty person.
HerBride 11y ago
Sometimes I wonder why people argue on the internet.
p3ndulum 11y ago
Because the internet can't punch you in the mouth.
Mightyskunk 11y ago
This is exactly it. There are so many people who would get a broken nose for saying what they say if they did it in real life.
HerBride 11y ago
Ah, right!
[deleted] 11y ago
Cringe worthy - but im glad he's crossed that road. A man is allowed to vent!
Clbull 11y ago
Semi-relevant point but here goes.
I've tried online dating for thirteen months now, both on Plentyoffish and OKCupid. I recently checked my profile rating with the r/okcupid bot and I got a rating of 5000 (between 1000 and 10000) meaning absolute mediocrity on the OKCupid search algorithm in terms of users who have rated my profile between 1 star and 5 stars. When OKCupid themselves acknowledge from cold, hard facts that 80% of male users are rated by women as looking worse-than-average - suggesting women are far pickier in choosing a sexual partner or relationship than men - that 5000 rating becomes fucking depressing. It basically says "You're too unattractive to ever have a girlfriend or a one-night stand, so you may as well give up and focus on something else."
Anybody who has ever tried online dating for more than a few months will quickly lose their faith in humanity and the notion that being nice and respectful to a woman is the best way to get on her good side. You spend minutes consistently typing out thoughtful messages to people who you think you'd click very well with and try to strike a meaningful conversation, then send it, 99% of the time to be outright ignored in a very rude manner. It doesn't matter who you message, whether the bimbo who only listed two interests, "partying and hanging out with friends" or who has written just "message me if u wanna find out more", or the seemingly intelligent women who actually put effort into their profiles. And this is seen as the perfect etiquette on a dating site.
The funny thing is I saw a thread on r/okcupid yesterday about a woman (the OP) who received several rather irate messages from a guy whose rather polite prior messages she outright blanked for almost a week before he actually started calling her a loser and an ignorant 'wannabe engineer' bitch. Instead of blocking him, she decides to post the message log and shame him on the subreddit.
I had to delete two comments on that thread because of the crap I was getting in terms of downvotes, comments back and PMs, simply because I explained why the OP's excuses not to respond to the person's messages (to discourage shitty behaviour) were null and void due to the fact he was polite until five days had passed; then explained why a simple, polite 'not interested' message would have been nicer than outright ignorance (It's direct, it's honest, it leaves no ambiguity and it's respectful.) Apparently 'victim blaming' is not allowed on the subreddit.
Consider the fact that this is the norm. Is it not surprising that after so many months of ignorance, a guy could finally snap and start flinging irate (or at least passive-aggressive) messages acknowledging a female user's ingorance? Isn't it rather shitty that men aren't allowed to have breaking points and must be macho and must constantly have a thick skull whereas women get a free pass?
jobs33ker 11y ago
/r/okcupid is a cesspool of white knight faggotry and is completely over run by "m'ladys". Back when I still had some faith in mainstream subreddits I posted my profile for a critique there (i know..i know) and the white knights there simply lambasted me. I am x100 more attractive then most of the guys there, and they all told me my "pictures sucked" and that I "seemed like a douchebag". I just laughed at them. The reason they said i was a douche was because I had recently modified my profile to be less all inclusive. I found that strategy actually produced much better results than what I had before. Instead of doing the typical "These are my favorite movies, I'm a pretty open minded guy, I like dogs, hanging out with friend, ect" I changed it up to be more excluding of other people, as in "If you do _ do NOT message me." or "I don't have time for you if ". It made a big difference in the messages i got and responses i received, because instead of coming off as a "guy who just wants a nice girl" whom they could toy with, I was coming off as someone who knew where the fuck they stood and wasn't going to have my time wasted. It worked. Naturally, the betas over on that subreddit hated me for it.
Clbull 11y ago
What sort of things are you 'exclusive' towards? And do you aim to put those things in a polite, yet blunt manner or just say it without caring?
jobs33ker 11y ago
That depends on you. Anything you feel like you don't have time for, just throw it out there unapologetically. And to answer your second question, I don't care to put anything politely. Because half the appeal when a girl is reading that is how you say it. Because the how is more of a statement than what you are actually saying. Being unapologetic is key.
jobs33ker 11y ago
I'll add that it's not what you're exclusive towards, but the simple fact that you are exclusive. It shows you're coming from a position of strength, and abundance. Unlike all the beta white knights on there who are just throwing out a net and hoping to drag in whatever they can. This puts them automatically at a disadvantage, and it's sad they can't recognize that. They know that girls have hundreds of times the options that they have, and they decide to play by these rules (which have been stacked against them) rather than break the rules altogether.
Clbull 11y ago
On that experiment OKCupid did, I'd like to see the profile descriptions specifically used, since QuickMatch tends to also show full profile descriptions as opposed to POF which just shows profile pictures along with "WOULD YOU DATE THIS PERSON? YES/MAYBE/NO."
Profile descriptions have also influenced my ratings. If I see someone hot but it looks like she's put zero effort into her profile description, I will rate her a 2 or less, or perhaps a 3 if I am feeling generous.
mr_throwz 11y ago
Unattractive betas should just know their place and never rock the boat man.
watersign 11y ago
when i used to use online dating i would go out of my way to be a creep/jerk. calling girls sluts, whores, nigger lovers,etc...telling them i was a psycho ex-convict. it works man, fuck being a 'nice guy'
sexowlinyourwindow 11y ago
Haven't tried dating sites, did you start by messaging them or just have an asshole profile?
watersign 11y ago
both. you'd be surprised how many girls crave scumbag cock...
mr_throwz 11y ago
Yeah seriously. Women never respond so men stop taking it seriously and start trolling. Women are the problem.
RedBigMan 11y ago
Perhaps if women were graded/ranked based on speed and percentage of replies. I'm sure high quality guys that the women all want to reply to them probably would only pick women who reply quickly and often.
mr_throwz 11y ago
They implemented that on OkCupid (you got a little indicator on your profile telling people how often you replied - often, selectively, very selectively) and women threw a shitfit on the forums about it.
Wheat-Thins 11y ago
I hope you dont believe that about yourself. Your results in online dating are gonna be more based off of your looks than your results would be in person. You can offset that partially by having the balls to approach girls in person. It can often be enough to raise your value enough to get with some fuckable girl, given some perseverance and a few attempts with different girls. A lot of girls do respect it when a guy comes up to hit on them in person, especially during the day.
So what I'm saying is that what you lack in looks, you can make up with in confidence, sense of humor, whatever. I promise you that youre not hopeless. Just put in the work to become a better version of yourself and things will work out for you. If a women is average looking and in shape, there is pretty much nothing she can do to raise her status. As men we can improve ourselves and raise our SMV, thats our gift.
Clbull 11y ago
Unfortunately I do believe that. Believe it or not I've had worse luck in person than through online dating.
At least on POF, I had two dates in the space of about 5 months. The first was with a really polite girl with blurry profile pictures. It's not the fact she turned out to have a mild case of NF-1 but rather the fact we never really had much in common that made me decide not to go on a second date. The second date was with a rather untalkative girl who basically met me for coffee and walked out on me 10 minutes in because 'her sister had a baby.'
Wheat-Thins 11y ago
Things can get better. I'm not saying it'll be easy for you, cause it wont be, and Im not saying its fair, cause its not, but things won't get better for you unless you put the work in to improve yourself. You may have to put in more work than other guys, and its not fair, but its the reality and you can do it if you want to. Growing as a person is a painful but necessary process and it's worth it.
Finding a passion, improving your confidence, getting a professional haircut, dressing better, lifting, etc. can all help.
There are some youtube videos by a group called simple pickup that really encouraged me and showed that confidence really is extremely important. In this one the guy picks up girls while wearing a suit covering his face. They're not part of the pick up artist community either, they mostly just say stupid shit to entertain themselves and the girls end up liking the confidence. Only one of the three is good looking.
If you put the work in, you can change things. You're not powerless, I promise you that.
Clbull 11y ago
I assume the one in the RATM shirt is the attractive one.
Wheat-Thins 11y ago
I actually meant the last guy that shows up in the intro, the RATM shirt guys is an average looking indian guy. But when they're dressed ridiculous like that, I guess the indian guy was the least ridiculous.
This is a picture of all of them, even the one I said is good lookign isnt even that good looking, which goes towards my point.
They just got good by talking to girls and getting rejected until they got better.
Clauderoughly 11y ago
Oh god.. the comment section is a septic tank of white knights and squeeking hamsters who are the stereotypical woman he describes in the article.
Avoid if you want to keep your blood pressure low.
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Clauderoughly 11y ago
Yeah, This gets addressed in the "women aren't funny" video that Chris Hitchens did. Women also fail at basic reading comprehension
mr_throwz 11y ago
I need to up my Norvasc now...
Peripheryy 11y ago
I don't know why I didn't listen..
Spooge_Tits 11y ago
Getting angry at the comments is a true sign of a bluepiller, mate. Just to let you know.
Aalewis__ 11y ago
I was gonna troll them but there's just too many lol
Clauderoughly 11y ago
There are some guys in there fighting the good fight, but they are being swamped with a sea of hamsters and white knights.
Cats_of_War 11y ago
They arent worth talking to even to troll.
toysjoe 11y ago
I went down there for literally less than 5 minutes and this one guy "CM" just posted non-stop replies. Goddamn, some people...
jcrpta 11y ago
I dunno - the "nice guys aren't that nice" bit has a glimmer of truth to it.
The stereotypical BP guy is - whether it's true or not - frequently seen as being "nice" in an attempt to manipulate women into bed.
This blog post obviously has a glimmer of RP to it: "I've just figured out that I have developed real value over the course of the last ten years. Which is more than can be said for the girls who wouldn't give me the time of day when we were in college together."
selfsufficientnigga 11y ago
That is just female/feminist propaganda. Online, it has really picked up as a backlash against the 'friendzone' meme a year or two back.
The 'Nice Guys' are not manipulative. They are committing what for them is a straightforward transaction: they will act nice to a girl, and she will recognize that they are what she wants. And they try to go for this because all females rave on about how they just want a 'Nice Guy'.
So no, these idiots are not manipulative, they are victims of manipulation.
RedPill4LYF 11y ago
Bingo. NiceGuys can appear manipulative, but they are operating on outdated advice and teachings that lead them to believe women wanted nice men. To say that being nice is manipulation is a twisted kind of doublespeak that completely ignores the original demand for men to be nice in the first place.
It couldn't be more clear that women will never be honest about what they really want because then they would have to admit what they really are.
skinisblackmetallic 11y ago
That is an astute observation.
jcrpta 11y ago
Or, for that matter, hamstering away an instinctive "not attracted" reaction that never had that much thought go into it in the first place.
Nevertheless, the underlying reasoning isn't all that important. The important thing is that the man who doesn't seem to bothered about getting the woman into bed is the one who's getting laid. The subject of the blog post seems to be having a great time with women now he's that bit older - I guess now he's not having to put so much effort in, he doesn't come across as "trying too hard".
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jobs33ker 11y ago
This is a pretty solid post.
buddhabullshit 11y ago
He tried to buy her affection. He should go for those gold digger types.
nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago
Yeah, I was rolling my eyes pretty heavily when his little rant droned on and on about one expensive date. That has fail written all over it. Nothing about a date like that is going to make a girl attracted to you. I mean, once you've had sex with her, by all means do the fancy date thing. But just taking ye olde random girl out like that is a recipe for exactly the sort of failure he describes.
He doesn't know why he failed, because as you say, he's a stereotypical BP - but in a way it is his fault.
Also, bragging about a gift you gave (and that's what paying for a date is) is really low class.
In that sense, I agree with you.
[deleted] 11y ago
Thoughtcatalog has hit the jack pot for farming comments and views. Just pit TRP/MRA against TBP/tumblr feminists. Thank god for adblock, I don't want to give revenue to this circus. I bet the author of this article and the author of last one are both laughing all the way to the bank.
Maybe I'm just paranoid.
through_a_ways 11y ago
I've noticed that Thoughtcatalog is very often pseudo-MRA and pseudo-satire (satire done subtly enough to fall under Poe's law)
HitlersCow 11y ago
You definitely did, adblock just makes it so you don't see the circus (the ads).
Clicks=$$$
DAEHateRatheism 11y ago
Divide and conquer
[deleted] 11y ago
AKA mainstream media.
Lucent_ 11y ago
Am I the only one who thought this article reeked of neck beard? And this is coming from the most beta person I know... (Myself)
[deleted] 11y ago
FUCK TO THE YES!! I absolutely love seeing things like this. Thank you, OP, this just made my day.
vengefully_yours 11y ago
Damn, those comments are nauseating.
RedPillMotors 11y ago
They're a cognitive dumpster fire on the order of your average US Weekly.
WeAreAllSheep 11y ago
So how much is this site making off ads?
Are there really people so spineless as to watch a girl text half the time during a 100/pp meal that they're paying for?
26ounce 11y ago
I suggest that you can apply the Kübler-Ross model (5 stages of grief) to RP acceptance.
Denial - Blue pill central station.
Anger - This guys text for example. His anger and resentment shine through.
Bargaining - Not a strong example but I guess it would be returning to the market but looking for unicorns, ie trying to find someone who is "not like that"
Depression - Can't find unicorn and giving up. MGTOW, work^2, hitting gym, staying home playing video games.
Acceptance - Not just understanding RP, but accepting RP and applying the necessary changes to yourself, your attitudes and most importantly your interactions.
vzhu 11y ago
It's very likely that the article was written for the men stuck in the anger phase. Remember, the modern 'journalism' industry is filled to the brim with click bait/pandering blog posts.
trplurker 11y ago
That is exactly what the bargaining phase is. Trying to negotiate yourself around TRP truths, trying to find somewhat or some situation (just date foreign girls / ect..) to maintain the belief that TRP doesn't apply to all women (NAWALT).
Depression is the whole "they are all sluts so why even bother trying to have a meaningful relationship". The part where the guy is still trying to hold onto their previous understandings of relationships.
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aaron_the_just 11y ago
As annoying as Thought Catalog is, it's really refreshing to see some place publishing uncensored non-mainstream viewpoints.
DarkCircle 11y ago
I have no problems with women riding the carousel when they are younger. What I don't like is that many are really shitty people to the guys that really care about them. The use them, ignore them, lie to them about why they won't date them then go date a loser/bad boy.
They only get off the carousel because they have been kicked off. The nice guy is their security deposit on an easy life. Do they even respect him for it? No! They have not changed one bit they just have less options. The moment they can divorce him and take his cash, they will.
They give their best to abusive assholes and ruin the really good men out there. No thanks. Not interested.
cooltrip 11y ago
She gives the best sexual years of her life to one or some Alphas, for free, and post-wall she wonders why is it wrong that a beta remunerates her past whorely crusades and jobs? Screw her.
_Nymphae 11y ago
So many of the commenters immediately jump to the assumption that "nice guys" think that they can have an expectation of sex purely because they're being nice.
Which no one is saying. The author of the piece says, a couple times, "I didn’t expect anything in return except a chance to win your heart".
He never once says "I should be getting sex because I held a door open or bought you a meal". Some of the commenters have the right idea - is it so unreasonable to think this guy might have the expectation that if he is nice and respectful, and shows he can provide by buying her things she asks for, that she will...gasp....show a little bit of interest? As opposed to texting other people throughout their date, drinking all of the wine he bought, not touching the food, and taking it home with her for later. How is THAT acceptable behaviour on a date?
DarkCircle 11y ago
I think part of the hamster is that 'nice guy' has been twisted into asshole who pretends to like you. I hate this. It trivializes men's emotions into only wanting sex.
Yes sure there are sycophantic pretend nice guys who will say and do nice things in order to get sex. However I think there are some really good men that get taken for a ride by a woman just because she can.
If you go into the dating game believing what women tell you and being that good guy, you are gonna get trampled on. Most women would never admit this as it would mess with their supply of betas.
duglock 11y ago
Now that is some good advice.
No_disintegrations 11y ago
This sums it up. No one inherently deserves your respect...don't give it to people who haven't earned it.
anonymous_troll 11y ago
I wouldn't call this Red Pill. This is MGTOW.
800hpEVO8 11y ago
For me its whitch color do I want my Ducati ;-)
bitzin 11y ago
Its fairly simple, if you reject me at any point and change your mind later I'm no longer interested. I don't want a woman that settled for me or changed her mind about me. If I wasn't good enough for you then you're not good enough for me now.
Golden-Sylence 11y ago
All I could think about after I read this was Nic Cage in Lord of War. When he tells simeon to essentially shove his gun up his own ass and pull the trigger. I believe the exact quote is "What do I think? I think you are the amateur now. I think you should go with your instincts, your first instinct. I'm the same man that was not good enough for you before, and I'm just not good enough for you now."
RPthrowaway123 11y ago
Brutally honest. I like it.
bsutansalt 11y ago
The Tom Leykis Show just posted this to their facebook page, which I can only assume is in reference to the article posted above:
http://imgur.com/GPAhBMo
brettdavis4 11y ago
I agree with the concept that the author wrote, I just disagree with the way he presented it.
He needs to learn a lesson that I learned in my late 20s. Dating is a game you have to play to lose. You will get more rejections than women saying yes when you ask them out. When you find someone that wants go out with you, you have to remember the national average of first dates that lead to second dates is 1/8. The author made the mistake of dropping a lot cash on a first date. He should have done something smaller and simpler like meeting for coffee or lunch. If it goes well you can get a second date, if it goes bad your losses will be smaller.
DickMcSandwich 11y ago
"I get it though, now that you’re on the downside of 30, the wrinkles are starting, the body is sagging and you have stretch marks and that c-section scar from pushing out that bad boy’s rugrat. I know it was impossible to see that that deadbeat irresponsible jerk was actually a deadbeat irresponsible jerk, but that’s not my problem. While you were waiting for those texts that never came I was busy getting my career in order and maximizing my credit score. Now my biggest issue is deciding which color Audi I’m going to buy. Why in the world would I choose to take on you and your problems?"
Truth.
I was just trying to post this, didn't realise it already had.
legauge 11y ago
Seriously, we're done waiting. We'll go with the 18 years old sluts.
DyoDyo 11y ago
But they don't want you if you are above a certain age...
throwaway34426 11y ago
What ? All girls 13-28 want an older guy.
__ROOSTER__ 11y ago
Just not true. I'm 49 and can pick up girls down to 18 years old and the end in no where in sight.
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
Not all of them. Some have daddy issues that are ripe for the picking.
bsutansalt 11y ago
And many women, if not most, will have the "older guy" experience at some point in their lives. This is in addition to all of the ones with "daddy issues" that trend towards (almost) exclusively dating older men. If you're an older guy there's no shortage of much younger women, you've just got to play the numbers and put yourself out there.
Robot9005 11y ago
what the hell are you talking about, there is always 18 year olds, it might not be a white ones, but there is always 18 year olds.
DyoDyo 11y ago
If we are talking about asian & african girls, of course, there are always 18 year old girls...
Judasace 11y ago
Bull shit. 42 with a 20 year old main and a 28yo on the side. Both are solid 7/8s. In the past 5 year I've banged girls ranging from 17 to 25 (16 is legal in my state before anyone calls Chris Hanson). I'm not super rich, just north of 100k a year, but I will confess that I have always been mistaken for being significantly younger than I am...I generally get told I look to be around 30. But It's not like I lie about my age to them - they all know exactly how old I am. It's also true that on occasion the age thing is a bit of a barrier, but it's never been a deal-breaker in and of itself. Quite frankly, if you have your shit together, you can get girls in any age range that you want.
RedPill4LYF 11y ago
After putting a lot of work into myself, building my confidence and learning not to GAF what anyone thinks of me, this is absolutely true.
I have to beat the really young ones off with a stick and that level of interest has slowly risen across all notable age ranges the past year. I'm in shape. I bring that positive energy and get people laughing. I make okay money, but I don't need to be rich when my frame does all the talking for me.
No woman can just have me, and they hate it. Most of them don't actually really want me anyway, it just pisses them off when they realize they can't pull any strings when there's nothing for them to pluck. Part of the game is understanding women crave validation, and when you refuse to give that up on demand, it drives them crazy. I don't play games. I get what I want or I ignore them.
DyoDyo 11y ago
Listen guys, I love young girls and I am still able to fuck them. It is just super super hard. Women in their 30s, fucking easy (beta provider game, then you leave).
You can't compete with a young guy in his physical prime. You have to find a way to talk with a lot of them in a dominant position (teacher at uni for example...).
tenmileswide 11y ago
"Physical prime" - two things about that.
a.) There are dudes in their 70s deadlifting 400+ pounds and running marathons, unless you have some kind of horrific illness, your age doesn't matter here as much as you think, especially with the proper supplementation (if you even need it)
b.) Even if dudes in their 20s can POTENTIALLY achieve greater physical prowess than than someone in their 30s or 40s, and this I don't dispute, it's a very thin edge to exploit. It's a fantasy scenario, and in real life will probably only be done by college/professional athletes, most in their "physical prime" don't work themselves hard enough to be a threat to someone out of their prime that's put in real effort. I mean, look at the Boston Marathon finish times by age.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--C6yoF4EfO0/TgNh0byO5oI/AAAAAAAAL7o/dWjedZaSaqs/s1600/Adjusted+Marathon+Time+by+Age+Group+by+Raymond+Britt.png
The dudes in their 50s on average are only SEVEN TO TEN PERCENT slower than those in their 20s. You just don't turn into a creaking mess unless you let yourself.
Again, to paraphrase Rollo, time is on your side, but you gotta use the time wisely.
__ROOSTER__ 11y ago
If your competing with cut abs against 18 year olds your playing the wrong game. "Physical prime " is bullshit. Be strong, be cool, be masculine, be dominant, be a leader, have style, on and on. Men are in their prime in their 50s not their 20s
I can start a conversation with an 18 year old on the street. I don't need a position to manipulate.
I've scored more 18-22 year olds since I've passed 45 than in all the years prior. If what you're doing isn't working, do something different.
Judasace 11y ago
Well, one thing is that I don't directly "compete" for any girl's attention...that implies I'm trying to qualify myself to her somehow. Hell, I'll sit with a girl and poke fun at the guys trying to get her attention, or make a game of telling her which guys she should try and pick up. Yeah, If I wanted to get into a posing contest with some ripped 22 year old Alpha, then I'd probably come out on the losing end. That's where experience and wisdom comes into play, though. Don't play their game, make them play yours.
DyoDyo 11y ago
So where do you find your young girls?
Judasace 11y ago
College campuses, mainly. I'm lucky enough to live in an area near several decent sized universities and a number of small colleges. There are always parties going on, which are usually better than bars/clubs for pick ups, in my experience. Also just hanging out on campus, the library, sporting complex and the like.
RichardPerle 11y ago
...and you're 42...
Judasace 11y ago
Yep. What else should I be doing at 42? Settled down with some girl whose sex drive drops while her weight goes up? Getting my "Honey do" list done every weekend so I can get back to slaving away during the week to feed her materialistic instincts? Waiting around for her to discover she's "not happy" so she can walk away with half my resources? Sorry, but I'm not interested in following the "traditional" script for my life...I do what pleases me, and if there's someone in my life that has an issue with that, they're free to go associate with someone else.
olivermihoff 11y ago
I stopped buying women flowers long ago at age 20, those are strictly reserved for after marriage and my mom. They do nothing but tell a woman you're dating that you're a doormat.
phil619 11y ago
Marrying is always the worst option, you are just putting yourself into potential economical risk without any gain whatsoever.
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If you buy flowers for her without her having performed any thoughtful gestures, then yes, you're a doormat.
abitlesscryptic 11y ago
My ex sent flowers to my home a year after dumping me thinking I would suddenly forgive her and want to be her best friend to string along in case she never finds anything better, aka prince charming richie rich who only exists to find, court and care for her needs. LOL
DjBottleservice 11y ago
This. Bought my last gf flowers way to often. We break up, I find TRP, and I feel idiotic. Ya know, the usually BP to RP story.
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
It took me almost 2 and a half years to finally buy my now ex-LTR flowers. She always bitched and moaned about how I never did.
One day out of the blue I did it and she sucked me dry that night.
DjBottleservice 11y ago
It's funny really, as beta as I was. There was never a dead bedroom in my last LTR. I'm not trying to boast but she told me just about every time I made her cum. More than once, frequently. That's probably why.
penguinhair 11y ago
What if gestures like flowers are reciprocated?
I don't think flowers make you a doormat unless you're partner doesn't appreciate them, or expects them.
HighAngleAlpha0331 11y ago
High value non sluts that were raised by a father and not a gold digging slut appreciate real heart felt gifts. If a woman invites me over, makes dinner and fucks my brain out I'll reward her with flowers or something. Why? Because she deserves and appreciates it.
olivermihoff 11y ago
Rules change of course after you've been intimate and/or committed to a woman, but I think OP's post was detailing the early stages before sex, aka the friend zone.
penguinhair 11y ago
I don't understand this response.
You only will give a woman a gift if she fucks you? I was asking in the context of a relationship, which I would assume would already involve dates and sex.
A woman inviting you over for dinner and then fucking you probably doesn't mean she's a 'non slut'.
HighAngleAlpha0331 11y ago
Its the difference between a covert contract style bribe and a reward for good behavior. Read more, snipe lessm
thecajunone 11y ago
Ha ha ha
olivermihoff 11y ago
Gifts in general have been bad in my experience. I will occasionally pay for dinner if the woman shows genuine interest beyond friendship, but rewarding a woman just for agreeing to a date or just for being there is a sign of desperation and it's almost always percieved as corny or as a sign of expectations to the women I usually date, even if they're down to earth, it's just too old school for women of today. If you're married to her though, the rules change of course.
trplurker 11y ago
You never give a gift to a girl, you give a reward.
Things like flowers / ect.. need to be rewards for good behavior and never EVER as a reward for bad behavior (make up gift). If she does something super sexy one night, or has been really supportive of you through a hard time, then you can give some something special as a reward.
penguinhair 11y ago
What about in an already established relationship? Not your wife, but a long term girlfriend?
I understand the logic in not wanting to buy a girl you've only been on a couple of dates with gifts, but it seems weird to me that you wouldn't do a simple gesture like buy flowers for a girl who you're in an established relationship with just because you weren't married. Assuming you were in a happy, healthy relationship of course.
I'm not trying to stir the pot, I really just don't understand.
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BluepillProfessor 11y ago
And her pussy will dry up like the Sahara....
borderrat 11y ago
This is not the writing of a successful man with his shit together. This is the whining of a blubbering thirty-something who wasn't very interesting in his twenties and still isn't today. I love the concept of TRP but when examples like this make it to the front page, I'm afraid most of the subreddit is based off wishful thinking, not real-life practice.
watersign 11y ago
good article, kinda cheesy but ill upvote it just to piss off feminists and other dumb cunts.
cascadecombo 11y ago
No one cares that you are upvoting, there is no "upvote circle jerk" here.
icanteventhecat 11y ago
Jeez, it finally hit me that that the 20-year-old art student I banged last week would have walked all over me when I was 20. Moreover, she probably has lots of nice orbiters who are genuinely interested in her but now she's after me, who doesn't care too much. How sad.
SQQQ 11y ago
the commenters there totally don't get the point:
A Man's SMV/MMV peaks in his 30's where a Woman's SMV/MMV peaks ~18-25.
A woman marrying young (early 20's) is buying an appreciating asset when her SMV is at peak. This is smart
A man marrying an old maid is buying a depreciating asset when his SMV is at peak. This is stupid.
this has nothing to do with personal emotions or revenge or being a "sore loser". this is economics.
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18-25, I feel like that number is increasing to 30 in this day and age for women, while a man's value increases over time with success where the growth of value depends on the steepness of the success.
watersign 11y ago
And bio-truths.
Science_isthenewcool 11y ago
I do love the urban dictionary...
Bio-truths
A phrase often used by Social Justice advocates to dismiss biological facts.
A term usually used in leftist circles to derisively refer to someone who uses their misunderstood notions of human biology and/or evolutionary psychology to justify their heinous, ignorant, and/or bigoted views.
Good job: Way to discredit something via derision, without actually refuting the claims/statement with any evidence whatsoever, beyond occasionally an anecdote which does nothing to critically assess the general topic. (In this instance there is no anecdote, merely a lackadaisical attributed misnomer, in an effort to ease your personal cognitive dissonance)
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
I believe he said it sarcastically
HumanSockPuppet 11y ago
Except that they don't. They never come to their senses about the reality of their behaviours.
Women will always invent reasons or excuses for what they did in order to feel good right now. And the excuses they invent will vary depending on what their feelings demand of them.
Overall this is a well-written piece. But it's well-written for men, not for women (even though it's addressed to a hypothetical woman).
Women are too preoccupied with telling their own stories to hear this.
rebuildingMyself 11y ago
Exactly. They don't get off the cock carousel. They are flung off it. Only then do they hamster it as "I came to my senses"
[deleted] 11y ago
There is a small amount of wisdom here (being successful will attract women, for many men the golden age of attraction comes later in life) but it's hidden under a layer of crybaby angst and some stupid "revenge" plot. I can tell that the guy who wrote this will still be unsuccessful with women, because he has resigned himself to professional victimhood.
The reality is that it's your fault if you let women take advantage of you. After it happens once or twice you should wisen the fuck up and learn how to to play the game instead of crying about it's not fair. The game isn't fair. Life is not fair. Deal with it.
sniperhiding 11y ago
Pre-wall, no self-respecting woman should fuck a blue pill guy trying to impress her. Can't blame her for using him instead, if he lets her. He is un-fuck-able.
Post-wall, no self-respecting man should settle for sloppy seconds, or technically sloppy fiftieths. Can't blame him for using her instead, if she lets him. She is un-marry-able.
Isneezepepsi 11y ago
this sub is just fucking sad. why does stuff like this exist?
Spark_Fiction 11y ago
Run along now