Introduction
We all know that at a certain age a woman will hit a wall and their value will be paused and then decreased to a point of no coming back. However, as a man as time goes on your value increases (until older age of course) but how? Unfortunately, Men DO have a wall all their life. That Wall being called content.
Summary
At one point or not in all our lives we said to ourselves, life is good why do i need to do more than i am right now if i am doing this well? This is a dangerous way of thinking and it will trap you if you let it happen. The world is always moving forward and so should you. Never let content hold you back from greatness. Keep moving forward, keep setting more difficult goals, and always be hungry for more. Not only does this way of thinking increase your value, it can and will increase your happiness.
Personal Example
Personally I've been content for quite awhile, doing the bare minimum to achieve all my goals, as i got closer and closer to these small goals i realized how foolish i was to be going so slow and how foolish how tiny these goals were. 2 months ago i set goals every day, every week, and every month, I did more work in these 2 months than i have in the year before that. I realized that a man has no limit for success. They say "Work smarter, not harder" bullshit, WORK HARDER AND SMARTER.
Extra Info for younger readers: Do not blame anyone but yourself for shortcomings in your goals, do not let it take away your motivation. Learn from the mistakes and shortcomings to be better. Never be a victim, even if you are one.
dr_warlock 5y ago
Hitting the wall doesn't mean unattractive, it means she's hit her peak and is now descending. The height of her peak and the velocity of her downward spiral determines her condition.
U-94 5y ago
When the wall is a choice, no reason to ever settle down. You have to stay competitive.
redditaccountiuse 5y ago
Yep. I looked like garbage at 27. Started taking care of myself, working out, pursuing career harder and I feel like I’m 19 at 30 now. Those college-age girls I missed out on before are attracted to me now. Didn’t miss out on anything in the end.
Trenned_out 5y ago
Just curious how you usually meet college aged girls at 30?
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I'm doing well right now but realized I'm pretty much always getting the 23-25 year olds, not that this is inherently a negative but would like to up my 18-22 numbers as well.
redditaccountiuse 5y ago
Tinder, social media and work (lots of public event attendance). I don’t drink and don’t go to bars or stuff. I’ve had a girlfriend for several months now tho who’s 21.
Trenned_out 5y ago
Thats encouraging to hear that you still pull younger women from tinder. I'd read some things about guys saying the dating apps dried up in regards to younger women because alot set their age range to younger.
redditaccountiuse 5y ago
I’m not really up on the current meta, but I’m usually in smaller places too. Big cities I think the algorithm makes it harder to find mutual matches, unless you pay for unlimited swipes.
Andgelyo 5y ago
Exact opposite for me, I looked like a twink pretty boy who looked like he was in boyband at 19. Got more masculine with each passing year. 28 now, and shoulders much broader, medium sized athletic build, and got a masculine side part haircut with clothes that accentuate my body. Get much more IOIs now. Just gotta trip some more fat and I'll be happy.
surfclimb 5y ago
I’d be careful with thinking all women are going to slam into a wall and never recover. My way of viewing it is that yes, some girls who don’t take care of themselves, constantly party, and never prioritize are in for a rude awakening in their 30s. That being said, a lot of men also do the same thing. Male pattern baldness coming into play for 2/3 of men before 30 means there’s a decent sized wall lurking for guys as well.
In my opinion, the healthiest way to go about life is similar to what you’ve said. Goals, achievements, things that add value. The wall is always waiting for anyone that decides to quit and be lazy.
BACONisKEWLEST 5y ago
Well shit looks like I hit the wall at 20 lmao. Just kidding of course, being bald only hurts your game if you let it.
RedPill-BlackLotus 5y ago
Had to bring up the hair didnt you. You fucking prick, fuck, you!
Stron2g 5y ago
True but I like to think that the wall men face is much smaller and can be overcome with money/skills/discipline. The wall that women face can only be partly overcome if at all.
surfclimb 5y ago
The walls faced are different. Women undeniably face a biological clock. They will become less desirable as they age. Most men will become less physically attractive with age as well. Once men and women exit their 20s, the slow erosion begins. Both genders have hit their physical peak.
Men have a better chance to beat this. Men’s value can come from a variety of sources. Whether it be social status, career, game, or personal achievement, men can use these tools to generate attraction. Women face a significant uphill battle with age. Once their beauty begins to fade, almost all men will look towards younger more attractivene women.
Men are born with their wall. From the moment hormones introduce a man into the sexual marketplace, until the day he dies, a man is competing. He’s always figuring out how to better position himself to attract women. Women are born with their value. They are at their most valuable when they have the least amount of experience to capitalize on it.
From my observations, these two separate experiences collide for men and women between ages 28-32. At that age, a man has been tuning his skills for years. He’s been rejected, probably burned hard a few times, and has his guard up. His career is now taking off if his ducks were in a row. At this age, a woman’s free ride due to owning a pussy and tits hits a steady decline. They are confused because everything has been so easy their entire life. Hence, bitter hag syndrome. Minimum effort and just existing cease to be a viable sexual strategy for most women this age.
However, men and women can both avoid that if they cultivate value. A smart woman has more to offer than just bending over and taking dick. A smart man carefully vets his options, and is always working on himself.
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nsummy 5y ago
I think its a good comparison. If we are oversimplifying to the point of women automatically hitting the "wall" because they get some wrinkles than you also need to look at men. Are men get older their testosterone decreases, they lose hair, then get fatter, are more tired, lower sex drive. This notion of men getting better and better is a falsehood that unfortunately many people here subscribe to.
There are lots of rich, powerful men that can only get laid because they are rich. The women aren't attracted to their power, they are attracted to what will be bought for them. Look at Val Kilmer. The epitome of a man hitting the wall.
NYCSPARKLE 5y ago
Just like there are successful post-wall cougars who still get laid.
The point is 1) that’s not desirable; 2) it’s a small % of the total population.
Also don’t downplay baldness. Besides being short, it’s probably the most unattractive thing for women.
Slightly overweight + hair > slightly overweight + bald.
Not shaming bald guys, just laying out the facts. Plus lots of advancement in this area so no excuses.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
women ARENT after sex, WE ALL KNOW THEY CAN GET LAID EASILY until they are 60 or 70 years old. Nobody argues against getting laid. You do not understand what a wall is. It is not that women do not have options to get laid. They always have them. Reduced a bit but always have them. It is sickening that I have to explain it to you on a TRP thread. Sex to women is secondary.
ExaltedR3V3NG3 5y ago
Yeah, and ripped+bald >>> overweight+hair. No one chooses to have baldness (unless you shave because you want to), but whether you are ripped or fat well, those are your choices.
NYCSPARKLE 5y ago
Not “>>>”.
Most girls just prefer a guy who is in shape. Some even like dad bods.
No girl likes baldness as a stand alone trait. Sorry.
Don’t forget the original point of this post: men can have physical traits that put us “post-wall.”
OgMagicMatthew 5y ago
there is no wall for men. You get better with all things over time
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this is my first post here, feedback much appreciated!
IZIShogunIZI 5y ago
It reads as a low effort post, bordering on a shitpost. Telling people to set goals and work harder and smarter is just stating the obvious, and in a way that isn't even beneficial.
At least others who write posts about setting goals or being more productive have a detailed roadmap with instructions and observations on how to do so.
Your introduction is the only thing Red Pill about your post. And even then, it's saying that women have no choice but to hit the wall when they grow old but men have a choice...unless they've grown old.
So really it's just using a few buzzwords to pass it off as Red Pill without any real substance. If you removed the first few sentences it could just as easily be posted to almost any other subreddit and no one would even know it to be Red Pill.
_do_not_read_this_ 5y ago
It's a good post, and on point to helping define what makes a man better.
nsummy 5y ago
Incredibly meaningless "advice." I would argue that as time goes on a man's value does not increase. That is like saying as time goes on your bank account increases. It certainly can but there is no guarantee. And what is your summary summarizing? Your intro?
This advice sounds more like advice to yourself. It sounds like you have taken a hard look in the mirror and realized some changes are in order. I would venture to say that most people on this sub-reddit and hell, most people in life, have never said to themselves "life is good why do i need to do more than i am right now" Maybe if you just won the lottery and banging a model. There is also nothing foolish about small goals. As long as they are s.m.a.r.t. and new ones are set after others are achieved, then the smaller the better.
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TheRedPike 5y ago
Spend more time on it next time. We don't want cracker-jack box advice. As a guideline, if you haven't spent at least and hour reading and proofing it, then it isn't enough. There are rare exceptions. This post is an example of why I leave a post up because of the comments.
[deleted] 5y ago
i agree it's common sense advice, but my entire point was "when life IS good is when you need to really start working hard, not when life sucks. That's why i used the word content and not com-placement. However reading the comments it seems this is an unpopular opinion.
As for this being common sense advice i thought this is the perfect place to post it.
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Ascend_Daily_305 5y ago
I think OP meant be grateful for where you are in life because it's only out of gratitude that you can appreciate your own gifts. Content is a decent word but can come off as slacking to all my fellow macho rp's
uwey 5y ago
Want as a desire itself is the root of pain.
By cut out the unnecessary and only deal with necessary or necessity, your mind can be free from materialistic slavery.
This route is not mainstream and it is quite controversial but it is not easy.
It is a pain you deal and try to unroot the cause of all the pain of existence.
Want.
To want is a powerful urge. To not want you gain upper hand of choice. To have nothing and live with nothing ever important to you, and live as vagabond of life, you see things in its real form, unbound to its content and its interpretation.
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Eldudearino89 5y ago
I needed to see this today. Thank you
Zech4riah 5y ago
And one day there will be a day when you get to a point that you can't work any harder, only smarter. When you reach that point, you will see this saying in new light.
Chadster113 5y ago
When I hear people say “work harder” I just think of someone who’s doing the same thing over and over and getting little to nothing out of the work. Work smarter should be the default saying
KeffirLime 5y ago
Content by it's nature is probably the most ideal state, ahead of happiness, because happiness deals in peaks whereas content is your overall state of being. By implication you need no more, you have everything you need.
Which is why you should be cautious prescribing escaping content as a value add. By who's standard of greatness are we being held to? If I'm perfectly content with my situation, but you think my situation isn't quite "greatness", then for who's interest am I pursuing more? Certainly not mine, because I was content.
Content is satisfaction with what you have, what you're describing is pursuing what you don't have and by implication not being satisfied with what you do have.
It's not content that was your issue it was dis-content and incongruency between what you had and what you wanted.
Kurush559 5y ago
It would be best to replace every instance of 'content' with 'complacent' - the post would make more sense
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Agreed, but being content in my mind is much harder to overcome than being complacent.
I understand you guys see content as an ideal state of mind and what I'm trying to say is go beyond that, further.
redvelvet_oreo 5y ago
came here to say the exact same thing. Complacency is the enemy.
_do_not_read_this_ 5y ago
One can be "complacent" but not "content". I was there once, complacent with a shitty job that had okay pay but really good health insurance that I needed for my ex wife. But I was not "content" and if anything I was angry that life had put me in the position of having to hold a shitty job under those circumstances.
So I think there is a qualitative difference.
Kurush559 5y ago
Yes. Exactly. Thats why I made that comment.
nsummy 5y ago
I think most people who are complacent in life are probably not content. Though I'm sure there are exceptions of guys who have made enough to buy a big house, nice boat, and a new truck every year that are happy to maintain instead of progress further. The majority though are people who have accepted their fate. The older you are or the more responsibilities you have to others (wife in your case) the more risk adverse you are.
five_eight 5y ago
Or at least say 'being content'. So one isn't thinking of ingredients.
sorry_mommy 5y ago
The word is contentment. Come on guys.
TruthSeekingPerson 5y ago
Being content is the perfect state of being. I actually am more motivated to improve myself as I've gotten more accepting of myself and more content with myself. It's about accepting the things I can't change and slowly and systematically trying to change the things I can.
KeffirLime 5y ago
It boils down to deriving satisfaction from what you have instead of externally outsourcing to the things you don't have.
If you train your mind to seek it from within it will do so. If you train your mind to seek it externally, then no matter what you obtain, your mind will always revert back to it's training of deriving satisfaction externally.
TruthSeekingPerson 5y ago
Very well said.
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Yes you are correct on the definition of content, however my statement still stands as I was not referring to dis-content, because when you're not happy with what you have it's much easier to pursue content.
My argument to you is content is a long term satisfaction that will stop a man from going further. Even though this man may not care because he has everything he already wants.
For example, pro sports. The best of the best will never be content because they always want to be better and improve and be the best. They have no content but they still love the journey.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Further by who's standards? Societies?
If he has everything he want's why are you concerned about him going further instead?
They're setting their standard of desire and actively working towards it. You set your standard of desire and actively work towards it. It will be different for each person, but the general idea is that it's a personal level of content dictated by the individual and not society.
When you chase a prescribed societal definition of what your content should be and not your own you'll always be left feeling empty because it's not true reflection of your internal values.
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I do not believe in a standard of desire, only an infinite spectrum of desire which is an opinion. So I respect your opinion as well, however if I did believe in a standard of desire my best argument would be that too many people set their own desire too low and may be shocked on how much further they can go. (I don't believe in this though)
KeffirLime 5y ago
I'm in agreement with what you're saying, however I think content is the wrong word.
If you set your standard of desire at jacking off to porn and playing video games all day, you will not be content. There will be a hole of emptiness in you for failing to fulfill your biological desire of getting laid. Human connection is really important, intimate connection in particular.
However, If you're getting laid on the reg by the women you want, have your own place, time on your hands, your own gig, why the hell shouldn't you feel content? Why should you feel empty? There's no biological incongruency, you have the things you value. The only force that would drive you to not be content is a societal prescribed standard of "happiness" that you think you should be living up to.
The system is designed to keep you dis-content. It wants to keep you wanting more, it wants you to be productive for it. A bunch of content people aren't good for that.
nsummy 5y ago
Exactly this. There are no shortage of successful people that have no time to spend their money or enjoy life. Also no shortage of people who are extremely frugal and are happy in life without needing the biggest and best. Being content is the goal in life, not the enemy.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
For men, the Wall is coterminous with death.
Or it can be. Sure, you can ruin yourself with smoking, drugs, too much booze and women your own age, of course. But really, is it that difficult to stay in at least reasonable shape, not dress like a slob and to have something going on in your life?
Older guys who want to slay in their own age group need to do 2 things:
A. Show up.
B. Not be fat.
Bonus points if you at least look like you have a job.
To do well with younger women, you also need to do two things.
A. Make yourself exceptional in one or more ways.
B. Properly identify your target group.
Meanwhile, women over 45 are basically the "plankton" of the dating world - invisible and at the bottom of the food chain.
Source: 51 y.o. guy who dates/plates/mates early 20s girls.
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fartingcrow 5y ago
To build off of what you're saying, I think it's certainly possibly to attract girls in their 20's when you're older every so often, but it's certainly not the norm. Most of the older guys on here bragging about getting with younger women are probably dating some 6's who are in their twenties but because of the age difference they are 10's in the eyes of those older men. The reality is it's kind of socially weird for girls to date with such an age difference and the majority of them would prefer to date someone closer to their own age (girls with severe daddy issues and escorts withholding).
BlackPillApocalypse 5y ago
Most older guys bragging about fucking young girls always conveniently not mention the fact that it is some sexpat Pattaya paradise. And all those "hot chicks" are gook dogs.
flim4 5y ago
What if, as a man, you approach 80 years old, and your physical features are that or a gravel road, wouldn’t that be the wall for men?
clon3man 5y ago
The wall is a bullshit concept. We have an epidemic of poverty, low self-esteem isolation,body dysmorphic disorder, chronic pain, depression, and anxiety. These are the real walls people face.
Everything else is just a game.
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max_peenor 5y ago
Despite being the pinnacle example of living in extreme poverty, do you think stone-age men and women experienced any of that? Do you think serfs working their one acre experienced these (other than the pain part, of course)? Everything else is a game? No, this is the game. It's millions/billions of people with easy food and spare time.
FINDTHESUN 5y ago
good post, thank you. i'm in a content trap for the past two years and need to do something asap. in a sense, i'm positively content with what I have, but i feel the urgency to improve my ability and achieve more, for the sake of it?
thebigfish07 5y ago
I highly recommend you to read Faust Pt. I. This is the central premise in the deal between Faust and Mephistopheles.
nawe7256 5y ago
In the free world we live in today, it is true, there are very few limits on what a man can achieve. What is limiting is the inner drive to do so. Many men are stuck searching in themselves for that drive. Maybe it's there for everyone, but some have successfully blocked it. I know I have. Only when I took Adderall for a few months did I feel that unlimited possibility and the ability to take advantage of it. Now I'm back to barely being able to put my phone down
revaforce 5y ago
TLDR: If you tell yourself you’re good enough, you will never progress or succeed.
TrueShadow97 5y ago
Takeaway: a woman's SMV is mostly derived from what a woman does not directly control, while a man's SMV is mostly the result of his own actions.
When a woman's beauty fades, there's not much she can do in order to keep her SMV up to her ego.
If you're a man, though, you're not given high SMV by Mother Nature for the virtue of being young, but you don't lose it due to ageing, too.
512165381 5y ago
Charlie Chaplin was 73yo when he had Christopher Claplin.
Rupert Murdoch was 80yo when he had Prudence Murdoch. He's still waiting to hit the wall.
THEdirtyDotterFUCKr 5y ago
I think it should be clarified, or expounded upon.
Perhaps it should be "WORK HARDER (towards your goals) AND SMARTER (at your job)"
akzunamoon 5y ago
right. if you don't work for yourself, you are a slave
_do_not_read_this_ 5y ago
Good points.
I only disagree with the fact women hit a wall "to a point of no coming back" and I see this a lot on these boards. As an older man, there are sexy older women. Not a lot, because I've noticed that women start to really give up - literally give up on everything, I think - in their 40s and that's physically tough to come back from when one ages. I don't mind a few wrinkles, and age freckles are kind of sexy. That's not to say, "hit the wall, get fat and out of shape, become an unpleasant person, then try to come back when you realize you've wasted a decade" because that's not feasible. Like men, women need to keep up their physical shape and mental/emotional shape as they age.
On your point, about men and complacency, I absolutely agree. I deliberately set out a few years ago to be "complacent" and do the minimum necessary to keep the engine ticking. I was getting divorced, had worked the grind for two decades, and just needed a break. But it was a deliberate choice, not complacency. Now I'm back in the game and working my ass off to get the income back up to where I want it to be, and build my business. My income is only limited by my ability to bill hours in the day.
Ananonguy88 5y ago
With today's medicine, plastic surgeries + fit lifestyle woman can also postpone her wall quite a lot, she will always lose to younger ones though in competition for top tier men. Also, she needs to spend much more money and time investment for successful preservation.
mrmaldoror 5y ago
I have a 30 year goal that I am happy with. To achieve it, I need to be rich, intelligent and well networked. It really keeps me in check and helps me choose shorter term goals that I know align with the dream goal.
DownyGall 5y ago
Are you Stalin or something? Lol 30 year plan
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
LOL my freshman year roommate dropped out and started working as an assistant night manager at a gas station.
When I asked him what his life plan was, he said “I’m going to keep working here. But, if they don’t promote me to day manager within 15 years I’m going to get a different job.”