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This is a topic that just keeps coming up and I think it's about time to dismantle this garbage idea that there is some sort of darker reality that TRP ignores and that the real real reality is this thing that only virgins can see.

Joining an INCEL group is fucking retarded. It's like joining a group dedicated to how bad you are at sports, or how shitty the food you cook is.

There is absolutely no judgement from me if you are involuntarily celibate. Without it, places like TRP wouldn't exist, and awesome stories like M3's story - confessions of a reformed incel wouldn't be there to guide us.

In fact, involuntary celibacy is what I consider to be one of the best catalysts for improvement a man can have. Rock bottom and ignored by women. It is the single best eye-opener a man can experience (along with being cheated on, divorced, or dragged through the family court system).

But joining an INCEL group is accepting defeat and then blaming it on somebody and something else.

The BLACK PILL? How many pills are there??

INCELS believe they hold the key to reality. They call it "the black pill" because they're edgy and in the market of ideas, being edgier than us is a surefire way to collect attention. The hypothesis of the black pill is that looks are more important than any other factor when it comes to mating. Implicit in this is the understanding that the red pill does not believe this, and instead believes actions are more important than looks.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the red pill, but it serves as a clever scapegoat for ones own failures. If looks are the most important, and you don't get to pick your face, then your celibacy is completely outside the realm of your own control. Cue the violin.

But that's not really red pill theory whatsoever. It's a bastardized version of the red pill, twisted to prop up the failing egos of the self-proclaimed unlovable.

Do Looks Matter?

Of course looks matter. Looks can be the difference between wild success and being cast out among the losers. Nobody at TRP believes that looks don't matter.

In fact, we believe that looks are so important that the number one thing we recommend, above all else is to lift.

You know why? Because an average-to-ugly face is passable if you're fit and strong.

Couple that with some attitude adjustments and learning banter / game, and you're well on your way to being successful with women.

I have seen many an ugly man succeed with women on charisma alone. Especially in situations where they have a captive audience. (Think work, school, clubs, social circles)

Is it an optimal scenario to be in? No, it isn't. I'm sure most ugly guys would prefer to look better. But we don't get to choose our lots in life. We can only make sure we play our hands the best we can.

Which is why the red pill focuses not on how ugly we are, but on the factors we can improve. Not because it's not a factor but because it's pointless to wallow in it. Change what you can. Learn inner peace for what you cannot.

Fitness. Game. Confidence.

There is no glory in involuntary celibacy. Joining a group dedicated to it is nonsensical and antithetical to the purpose of support groups. You join AA to stop drinking not to talk about how drunk you are. You join TRP to end the involuntary celibacy, not to wallow in self-pity.

If you consider yourself an INCEL and you voluntarily accept it as fact, and do nothing to change this part of your life, I have news for you:

THE INCEL CROWD IS VOLUNTARILY CELIBATE.

That's right. They're choosing not to change any factors that might lead to the end of their abstinence. They are so afraid of failure that they simply do not try. Then they claim that they alone hold the keys to reality because life's a bitch and don't we all have some shit going on.

This is why embracing INCELDOM is fucking retarded. It's antithetical to its own purpose and relies on misinterpreting things like TRP to prop up its own shaky definitions.

Also, coming up with all these different pill colors is stupid.

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[-] Wabbajak 91 Points 9 months ago

Which one sounds more productive?

The Black Pill: Hit rock bottom? Ignored by women? Don't see any improvements? It's women's fault, and there is nothing you can do about it! Go masturbate and wallow in self-pity

The Red Pill: Hit rock bottom? Ignored by women? Don't see any improvement? It's your fault, but you are in control of the tools for improvement! Go lift, eat right, read, meditate.

Black Pillers lack a sense of realism and capacity to see what is and what isn't within their power. Your looks or genes may not be something you can change. However, in order to change as an individual you have to start your climb towards a better version of yourself, by working on what is within your power. As you reach the top you begin to see that the things you should concentrate on were not and have never been your genes or external factors to begin with, but your own internal decisions.

[-] iCeeYouP 2 Points 9 months ago

”Blackpillers lack realism!”

”Shit genetics are YOUR fault! It’s your fault you’re born!”

You wut m8

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[-] Wabbajak 9 Points 9 months ago

Yeah so, why didn't you read the rest of the sentence? I never said that. Obviously, you cannot change your genetics.

"Black Pillers lack a sense of realism and capacity to see what is and what isn't within their power."

[-] iCeeYouP -4 Point 9 months ago

That sentence itself debunks the entire original post : Blackpill dudes know that genetics and genes is what makes a male desirable to the opposite sex, and guess what. Those said things are out of a males control.

[-] Wabbajak 7 Points 9 months ago

Then continue doing nothing.

It is a fact that your genes are a large part of what makes you attractive. However, you could have the looks of Brad Pitt but if you decided to get fat, masturbate to hentai porn and play video games all day, your genes alone are not helpful at all in getting laid.

[-] iCeeYouP -5 Point 9 months ago

We ain’t talking about an attractive male who let himself go, we are talking about a man who is genetic with no desirable traits,I.e. incels. And secondly,

Your genes alone are not helpful at all in getting laid

You fucking wut m8? Genes alone are what cause you to be desirable.you can workout, fashionmaxx, personalitymax, and all the other coping you want to, but it ain’t a true game changer

[-] majaka1234 2 Points 9 months ago

Except no girl ever said "fuck me harder with your high quality double helix"

Being good looking might make it easier but if looks are 20%...40%... Hell, 60% of the equation - you still have the other 80%, 60% or 40% in your power to improve.

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[-] majaka1234 2 Points 9 months ago

You'd crawl over your mother's corpse for a chance to mix your dick in the juices I leave in the girls I don't call back ????

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[-] Its_the_other_tj 13 Points 9 months ago

This. Plus probably a lack of any sense of reality. Are you really incel? Or do you think being out of shape, working a dead end job, having no confidence and being angry all the time will land a dude that's less then a 5 in genetic looks an above average looking girl? Fuck no. Could probably bag a 3 though. If that's not what they want improving themselves is the only way to attract higher quality women. But I think this disconnect with reality is what has them self describing as incels in the first place. Its easier to just be angry with the world then it is to change yourself.

[-] [deleted] 38 Points 9 months ago

Misery loves company. What it doesn't like is to take responsibility. So you have a legion of black pillers who are reaffirming their unrealistic subjective reality together. One in which the media's clickbait provides confirmation that such reality exists. And that the only way is to not play.

Red Pill is about seeing the ugly reality of gynocentrism which is a gut punch but getting back up and brushing it off. That as men we are the creators. Just like our ancestors who built the roads and the houses and literally everything in society. And whilst others may try to tear that down. We always have the building blocks to build our own piece of paradise.

[-] NextBad 2 Points 9 months ago

They take responsibility but accept powerlessness

[-] [deleted] -2 Point 9 months ago

MGTOW is the most pathetic group, I realised this when I was downvoted to oblivion in a discussion. Some commenters admitted they WANT sex, they are not asexual yet they would not do it because "they are going their own way".

They exaggerated the truths we already know and used it to romanticise chronic masturbation and video games.

What is the point in forgoing marriage if you simply forgo marriage to a woman in favour of marriage to your own hand?

Masturbation becomes pathetic if you are longing for a womans warmth every night for months, years...

I'm not saying you must be in a relationship.. What they were literally flaming me for is pointing out the lack of sense in admitting you want sex but forgo it in favour of masturbation.

I pointed out that if you (as some likely are) an above average height guy or above average looks or status or money you sometimes have opportunities. Sometimes a drunk chick makes a pass at you in a bar, sometimes you have a loser 5/10 girl who worships you and idealises you because you don't give a fuck about her, sometimes you go on holiday and because you're outside of your usual frame women see you as more attractive or you go to a country where women find your ethnicity more attractive.

The guys there literally got mad and downvoted me and said things to the tune of "go and chase pussy if you want" or "go and get divorce raped" and just misunderstandings and exaggerations of redpill truths. They are just mad incels there looking for how to say getting no pussy and admittedly wanting it is a good thing. No matter what I said and how I explained there are cases where you can get pussy with low effort and how it's fine to never want a relationship and advisable to never get married but having occasional sex to satiate your drive (if you have one) is doable it just made them mad and irrational. They just kept throwing bullshit at me, didn't matter what I said the act of having sex must mean I'm "chasing pussy my whole life" or "getting hammered by false accusations"

I would rather be dead than alive with a loser mentality. They admit they want sex but tell themselves comical exaggerations of redpill truths for why they totally could have sex but they never will and they are like totally fine with it.

Nothing sadder than denying your biological drive (again asexuals it does not apply) and telling yourself you are happy despite craving sex. Nothing sadder than convincing yourself being a loser is winning.

Any redpill man can do EVERYTHING the mgtow are doing and patting themselves on the backs for AND have satisfying sex on top of it and hold their heads high, not walking around in delusion and jerking off and gaming obsessively their entire life.

[-] platoonpluto 20 Points 9 months ago

Marriage is insanely retarded for any man, regardless of what they subscribe to.

MGTOW seems to be made up of middle-aged divorcees, and some younger incel types. I have sympathy for the former as losing your home and children that you’ve spent decades working for must be the most bitter of things to swallow.

[-] zestytacoz 2 Points 9 months ago

That's why I'm glad i learned about the shit deal that is marriage before i had a chance to get married.

[-] ViktorCage -1 Point 9 months ago

Dude, I am nihilistic and I don't see any point of improvement. Every day is a bereavement.

Do you expect that a depressed person with ugly facial traits to find the light?

[-] Wabbajak 4 Points 9 months ago

There is only so much you can do, that is a fact of life.

You are depressed? Consult a specialist in psychotherapy.

You are ugly? Own it.

Of course there are things you cannot change. I expect nothing of you, if you don't.

If you are a nihilist, meaning you disregard values and you don't see a point in attaining a goal, then that is your problem. Self-improvement is the very act trying to attain a higher goal. Set priorities and goals, strive towards those goals.

Do you expect that a depressed person with ugly facial traits to find the light?

How can anyone expect anything of you, if you don't expect anything of your life?

[-] toobass 5 Points 9 months ago

How do you solve depression and ugliness? LIFT LIFT LIFT.

[-] Vikingcel -1 Point 9 months ago

Helps not.

[-] randomTATRP 2 Points 9 months ago

It does. Pulled my ass out of anxiety.

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[-] looksmaxxingcurry 8 Points 9 months ago

How is it your fault if you were born short and ugly?

[-] Wabbajak 4 Points 9 months ago

It isn't your fault if you were born short and ugly. And I never said it was your fault.

"Hit rock bottom? Ignored by women? Don't see any improvements?"

Whenever you hit a personal rock bottom where women stopped to recognize you and you don't see any improvements whatsoever, then it is your fault. Concentrate on the things you can control. My point was productivity. Which state of mind is more productive? Self-improvement or defeatism?

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 3 Points 9 months ago

Self improvement but ultimately it won't really help without major changes like location changing. I still think the blackpilled ideology trumps red pill because no matter what you do genetics are still the one and only way to guarantee sexual success

[-] Wabbajak 3 Points 9 months ago

Self improvement but ultimately it won't really help without major changes like location changing.

What keeps you from changing your location then?

I still think the blackpilled ideology trumps red pill because no matter what you do genetics are still the one and only way to guarantee sexual success

Since when are we talking about ideologies? What comes next, religious wars? I understand them as strategies to cope with life's adversities. And doing nothing sucks ass at coping with anything.

I also do believe that genes essentially determine your life. But does that keep me from trying to improve?

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 4 Points 9 months ago

That a a good mindset to have. I can't move right now because of money obviously.

[-] majaka1234 6 Points 9 months ago

But you can focus on getting a better job. Cutting down your living expenses. Finishing a degree. Getting a promotion. Finding a new job. Starting a business.

No gene controls for any of those things.

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 3 Points 9 months ago

For sure but it will take time

[-] majaka1234 6 Points 9 months ago

Yes. And..?

Good things take time.

Plans take time to think of and then grow to fruition.

The alternative is you stay exactly where you are and how you are now.

Nobody else's timeline is the same as yours - it might take you two weeks to find a $500k job but in all likelihood it will be a half decade of hard work.

So?

Are you going to take the first step now or waste five years coming up with excuses why you shouldn't bother?

The more time you waste not doing it, the longer it's going to take you to get there.

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 3 Points 9 months ago

True. Guess it's just difficult. I grew up with a strict mom who never let me socialize. I did talk with girls and what not in school. Just hard in college with no idea what to do.

[-] majaka1234 8 Points 9 months ago

Yes, because a jacked Chad with zero social skills is getting quality women...

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 3 Points 9 months ago

Tinder has made it so that is possible yes.

[-] majaka1234 8 Points 9 months ago

I specifically said quality women. Tinder is for hook ups.

So don't use tinder. It's a piece of shit that sucks up your time anyway.

Why are you looking for negativity instead of thinking outside the box to find solutions that don't involve a hookup app that is primarily based on looks?

Nobody is getting married from some ho they met on tinder unless they're stupid enough to take some girl who has hit the wall so why is tinder your metric of success?

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 3 Points 9 months ago

Where would you normally meet girls apart from places like online dating or clubs or bars now a days ? In college seems like there's very little ways to meet girls and continue a relationship as in keep on seeing them

[-] majaka1234 7 Points 9 months ago

You can talk to people outside of those places.

It's "scary" the first time you do it only because you're "breaking" a social norm but just recognise this and then do it anyway. You'll be fine. Nobody is going to shoot you for complimenting some girl's shoes.

I talk to girls (and guys) wherever and whenever.

I hate bars, only go to clubs for salsa dancing, and don't go to college so meeting people this way is my bread and butter and I've got absolutely no problem.

It's part of the marketing of these places that the "only" place you're allowed to meet new people is at a bar.. But that's just because they want to sell you expensive alcohol and justify a stupidly expensive cover.

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 1 Point 9 months ago

Like what would be some examples ? Cold approach ? I can't see that working too well

[-] Nicolas0631 1 Point 9 months ago

Let's be honest all things included, mostly likely you'll not get a 9 if you value is 2 or 3. And yes you didn't choose your env, you genetics and so on. Fully agree.

You don't even choose if you are willing to improve or not totally agree.

You don't choose neither to have the will to do it for real. Totally agree again.

But how do you expect things to improve if you don't even try ? Explain me why one shouldn't put himself to work and see how it is going. At worst it is useless. Quite likely, you can improve your value by 1-2, maybe 3. Sure most will not go from 2 to 8.

But even if you are a 2 and improve to 4-5 or a 4 that improve to a 6, that quite significant change ! There no reason to not give it a try.

And if you don't, ok I can understand, but then stop complaining that's other people fault. The thing is other don't own you anything and they don't give a shit of you. The only way to improve yourself is to put yourself to work, period. No one else is going to do it for you.

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[-] looksmaxxingcurry 1 Point 9 months ago

My smv right now is 4.5-5.

Im considering getting an escort now tbh

Ive never asked a girl out im too scared.

[-] Nicolas0631 1 Point 9 months ago

Remember how women rate. If you are 5/10, you are in top 20% of all males. Even 4/10 means you are likely in the top 50%, likely a bit better.

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 1 Point 9 months ago

5 PSL is average. 6 plus is top 20

[-] bigboirox 1 Point 9 months ago

Man,I'm PSL 6+ and still get zero results. You should focus on building social status and getting rich if you're Indian. You're suffering because of the negative stereotypes about Indians and not solely because of looks .

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[-] Varsel 17 Points 9 months ago

Not your fault you were born short and ugly. Being short is something you will have to accept. I'm 5'5'', and when I was young, that never stopped me from getting pussy. Yeah, sometimes a taller chad would score something I was after...so fuckin what? There was plenty more choices to be had. Now if your're ugly and you ain't doing squat to at least improve the situation, that is your fault. Plastic surgery can't turn Lyle Lovett into Brad Pitt, but it can improve his looks, and if you look like Lovett, even a little improvement is a lot of improvement. Let's face facts, and leave the BS behind. A good 75% of Incel 'problems' can be either overcome entirely, or at the very least improved upon, and as for the remaining 25%, that is just something you will have to workaround. The real problem of incels are not the myriad problems they whine about (and fixate upon), but how they choose to deal with (or in most cases, not deal with) those problems. Firstly you need to set aside this self-delusion that none of your problems have a solution or mitigation. Secondly, you need to set aside this self-delusion that some improvement is a waste of time and effort...any improvement is better than none at all. Thirdly, if pussy is that fuckin important to you, then any effort (even great effort) should be an acceptable price to pay. If you ain't willing to save up the bucks for plastic surgery, maybe pussy really ain't THAT important! If you ain't willing to save up the bucks to have a fashion consultant give your wardrobe a makeover, maybe pussy really ain't THAT important! If you ain't willing to save up the bucks for acting class, modelling class, or finishing school, maybe pussy really ain't THAT important! If you ain't willing to join a gym, maybe get a personal trainer, and muscle-up, maybe pussy really ain't THAT important! If you ain't willing to learn whatever necessary to attract a bitch, and con said bitch out of its panties, then maybe pussy really ain't THAT important! There is plenty of shit you can do to improve your lot in life.....but none of that shit includes doing nothing, whining, or having a bitch-session with the blackpill set. Did life hand you a lemon? Pooooor baby! This means you will have to make great effort to get half of what chads score effortlessly. Life ain't fair! Now go cry yourself to sleep on your soggy pillow, and tomorrow resolve to make whatever great effort is required to force life to give up as much as you can get. You can choose to improve your life, or you can embrace the stagnation of the black-pilled and accept your fate.

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 5 Points 9 months ago

Damn that was motivational. Lol

[-] Vikingcel 5 Points 9 months ago

Are you a short ugly dude? Or just average, kinda good looking lad?

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[-] burnyr 1 Point 9 months ago

My take on being down here at rock bottom is a bit of a mix between the black pill and the red pill.

I know it's my fault and no one elses, I know I'm the one in control and that I'm the one that has to do shit to change my situation, but i plainly don't want to put in the effort. I just don't want to grind it to maybe have a shot at success.

I recently quit the gym and I'm just sleeping/playing video games/jerking off/smoking weed. That's literally all I do. Not studying or working.

Does it feel fucking miserable? Yep. Is it confortable tho? Absolutely.

[-] NextBad 2 Points 9 months ago

They don't blame women, they blame themselves, they try and failed to many times to pick themselves up. Trying is egoistical and means you can't accept reality. They are tired of lying to themselves. They don't disrespect or bother women. The fact that you use feminism terms with your own standards.

[-] someonesopinion6969 210 Points 9 months ago

Change what you can. Learn inner peace for what you cannot.

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That could be my new mantra, thanks for that little chunk of wisdom

[-] Proto_Sigma 65 Points 9 months ago

May I have the courage to change what I can, the serenity to bear what I cannot, and the wisdom to know the difference.

[-] alt_account_6 3 Points 9 months ago

That’s a bastardization of a prayer starting with ‘lord grant me the’

[-] Proto_Sigma 20 Points 9 months ago

I'm not a religious man but I really love the sentiment so I dropped the irrelevant bits and kept what I thought was useful.

Cultural appropriation is the greatest.

[-] alt_account_6 5 Points 9 months ago

Oh I agree, I appropriate Christianity’s philosophies all the time even though I’m not religious

[-] Herculius 1 Point 9 months ago

Is it really? I guess it depends who's or what's permission you asking when you say "may"

[-] Ramazotti 4 Points 9 months ago

It is called Stoicism. It is a whole school of philosophy and reading up on it will be of tremendous benefit to yourself.

[-] sadomasochrist 5 Points 9 months ago

My incel post still applies, it's a complex for 95% of them. The problem is that 5%. Mathematically, involuntary celebateness is valid for some portion of the male population. And in fact, when I dug into the math, it's higher than I thought.

They do spend a lot of time in studies though, so that's helpful that they're fighting the leftist agenda to pretend that none of this is biological and its all socially constructed.

[-] death-loves-time 3 Points 9 months ago

the beta uprising will not be stopped, is that what youre saying?
/s

[-] sadomasochrist 6 Points 9 months ago

Tldr; mental illness

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[-] vfb14 63 Points 9 months ago

"Start where you are, use what you have, do what you can."

[-] KV-n -3 Point 9 months ago

Yours and many other comments, even the op, readily admit some things about us are unchangeable. Why is it then so hard to understand that we cant change things that make us incels?

[-] vfb14 5 Points 9 months ago

I admit that there is a genetic predisposition to make someone an incel from birth. This does not mean that things are unchangeable. Of course what I'm implying here is that that certain demographics of men will have to work extra hard to achieve certain standards of physical attractiveness, while it is not impossible... it will be very difficult. The red or black pill are not ideologies to be fully devoted of, if you see it like that... you are doing it wrong.

[-] Auvergnat 28 Points 9 months ago

As if incel groups were a collection of men who miss their four limbs, or half their face, or have Down syndrome.

Perhaps some incels have some truly terrible condition.. but the majority of them are just regular dudes who are upset that women don’t go for regular dudes.

Those incels whose face you see on the news because they murdered people are not ugly beyond repair. They just look like regular dudes.

Have you read the link in OPs post? M3 had over a decade of involuntary celibacy, had suicidal thoughts about it, had murderous thoughts about other people complaining to him, went to see prostitutes and strippers. Yet years later after having improved himself he’s now well adjusted and in a relationship. And I’m sure that at the time of his inceldom he thought his situation was desperate because he was who he was.

[-] Vikingcel 7 Points 9 months ago

M3 also lost his virginity at the 17yo.

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[-] vfb14 5 Points 9 months ago

No one denies the struggle ugly guys go through, you can either try to change it or complain like a bitch of your pathetic existence, those are the only two realistic options, tough guy.

[-] AnyGoal -4 Point 9 months ago

almost every incel has tried gymmaxxing, etc. looksmaxing is even an incel term. so quit lying.

[-] vfb14 3 Points 9 months ago

If gym maxing doesn't work, the problem can be some other issues already mentioned before, or the face. Depending on how bad the individual wants to yield better results, they can put in as much work as possible, to the extreme of recurring to surgical modifications if necessary. There's always a solution to every problem, either you find it and apply it, or find a nihilistic ideology to justify your shortcomings and bitch and moan about it. The same empty platitude applies to what I have just stated.

[-] AnyGoal -1 Point 9 months ago

There's always a solution to every problem

nature's solution for subpar genetics is to make it difficult for them to be passed on. are you 14? you're clutching at straws hoping for the miniscule percentage solution to help make your coping with reality easier. the only real solution is an environmental change - our culture needs to change. we are currently living in a change and when things change life struggles to adapt. you may as well tell some ancient south americans to quit moaning about spanish fever because some of them managed to adapt and survive. it is not their fault. some of them were stupid and didn't even try to avoid it after knowledge occurred, some of them never had a chance, some of them were smart and did all the right things and it still didn't matter.

that's just reality. if an incel does nothing then he deserves scorn. but that is something that happens to bluepilled men. blackpill means that you know personality doesn't matter and you need to look good and be aggressive. so when someone is blackpilled, it means they have all the knowledge you redpillers have, and yet it still didn't work.

[-] vfb14 2 Points 9 months ago

I'm not trying to convince you, you can believe whatever you want buddy... have a good one!

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[-] shaggyctes88 2 Points 9 months ago

Try Stoicism, may help you

[-] bsutansalt 1 Point 8 months ago

"Start where you are, use what you have, do what you can."

That sounds similar to something Bruce Lee used to say.

[-] vfb14 2 Points 8 months ago

It's a quote by a tennis player named Arthur Ashe. I think it's pretty solid advice.

[-] RedPillLawyerGuy 0 Points 9 months ago

I agree 100%. My common view of an incel is one with some physical issues like acne, out of shape, lack of confidence, but with an attitude that reinforces those things. Let's change the attitude -- get some facial cream, hit the gym, talk to a few strangers (even if they're guys at first, to put YOURSELF OUT THERE). An incel isn't going to wake up one day and be a stud. And neither did any of us. We all make conscious efforts to improve ourselves.

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Incels make conscious efforts to stay in their caves, looking at the shadows on the wall. We've turned around, seen the fire, seen the cave entrance, and gone outside and found the sun.

[-] TruthSeekingPerson -4 Point 9 months ago

It's mind boggling to me that someone would get that hung up on acceptance by women. I think incel groups are probably low IQ and high in negative emotion. Individuals higher in IQ and positive emotion would see how unproductive it is to blame someone else for your own shortcomings. Also, positive people are probably going to be able to attract a partner.

I can understand depression and anger with rejection but if you are intelligent you can work through it. Also, if you're intelligent you can see women for what they are and you wouldn't put your happiness in the hands of a woman. That's just misandrous.

[-] Olram_Sacul 13 Points 9 months ago

No man, there are many high IQ incels, maybe not most of them, but the typical nerd ingeneer, who has a good career but lacks social skills is quite common. Actually high IQ mixed with high inhibition, neuroticism or axiety is a curse in regards to having a fullfilling dating life. There's in fact a negative correlation between high IQ and the age of the first sexual experience.

And about the misandry... well, I'd say that this is due to socialization and depends on how you've been raised up

[-] TruthSeekingPerson -1 Point 9 months ago

Are those guys really hanging out on incel boards? I don't believe that financially successful guys are struggling to find women to sleep with them but I could be wrong. If they started dressing nicer and driving pricey BMWs they'd have hoes lining up to go to dinner and blow them. Perhaps they're delusional about the kind of women they need to attract? Like they're narcissists and need to attract a woman of a certain status that exceeds their SMV?

EDIT: Or maybe they're emotionally damaged and are afraid of women and thus sabotaging chances of success with women? Or perhaps they're deluded and looking for a unicorn that doesn't exist? (I was the latter for many years.)

But it seems to me most incels would have no problem getting a Bimmer and getting laid by gold diggers. The problem is that option isn't open to them.

My point about misandry is that if a man gives all his power to women he's really self-loathing.

Thanks for your thoughts on things. I avoid incel boards because of the man-shaming omnipresent there.

[-] Olram_Sacul 2 Points 9 months ago

I agree with you on the emotional damage. I think that the main issue with most incels is due to internal issues instead of their looks.

[-] TruthSeekingPerson 2 Points 9 months ago

Talking it through I suspect these guys have oneitis and are looking for women to love them for who they are. It's sad, they'd be much better off to accept things as they are.

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[-] TruthSeekingPerson 1 Point 9 months ago

I'm not sure what I was ... what I thought I wanted (wife and kids) was unattainable due in large part to my repulsion from promiscuous women. But I was definitely sexually frustrated as I wanted that physical connection I just wasn't desperate to the point of getting angry about it or wanting to sleep with just any one.

I definitely grew up with narcissists as parents and as such became a co-dependent. I suspect many incels have traits as co-dependents as they are caretakers and people pleasers and women tend to be repelled by that. Women want to tame the beast, they want to be the one woman to make a man settle down.

I think a lot of incels would benefit from self-validation and rejecting the myth of the soul mate. I think MGTOW philosophy will help a lot of incels.

[-] redhawkes 22 Points 9 months ago

This should be sticked in askTRP too.

The sub got colonized by those lazy assfucks pushing their own narrative and adding even more noise.

[-] Vikingcel 5 Points 9 months ago

Definitely not. This is more of a 'stop bitching, we can't/don't want to deal with this' post than a 'stop bitching, here's the solution' post.

[-] redhawkes 8 Points 9 months ago

Exactly, we don't give a fuck about incel horseshit.

It's called askTRP, not askIncels. Everything is in the sidebar, you just need to apply.

The problem is that no matter what we tell you, you won't do it and make excuses. You've even projected your defeatist mindset in your username ffs.

[-] Vikingcel 1 Point 9 months ago

Why adress it in the first place then? The community obviously cares enough that there is a stickied post about it.

The sidebar is definitely lacking if an incel was about to read it, hell, some of the sidebar might even encourage that kind fo belief. (Heartiste) I digress, but I hope you mean the sidebar by "sidebar" and not the top 500 posts, as I have heard before.

Most RPers are just very fond of ignoring the effect of looks on someone SMV. And to some that effect might be so big that they will become a genetic deadend.

How is Vikingcel projecting my defeatist mindset? Wait, I know. I am not a viking and not even nordic, so you might have deduced that I dislike my own ethnicity and wish I was nordic, right? ;)

[-] redhawkes 4 Points 9 months ago

More horseshit and excuses. Only proves my point.

I am not a viking and not even nordic, so you might have deduced that I dislike my own ethnicity and wish I was nordic, right?

No, I wish you weren't retardedcel.

[-] Vikingcel 1 Point 9 months ago

Horseshit is relative. A bloop may call your beliefs horseshit.

What excuses?

I wish I picked Retardcel as my nick. I should've thought of that.

[-] Acropoe 2 Points 9 months ago

excellent write up. you explained the differences thoroughly and showed the difference between play to win and not playing at all. you're right; it's always hard work.

[-] ac_bro 39 Points 9 months ago

This post is fucking retarded . It’s just as dumb as the “just take a shower bro”posts directed at incels , gym is more effective but it’s not magic .

While there are 6 foot 5 motherfuckers with average faces who could mog pretty much almost everyone here , it doesn’t change that a true incel , like the genetic trash type , 5foot 4 no chin unsymmetrical face wrists like a women type of incel will never really get laid no matter how much he manages to bench , how lean he gets or how confident he gets . He won’t even become average , and we all know average males barely get laid and end up in beta bux marriages with dead bedrooms .

Your only real argument is “ I know a friend of mine who’s ugly and gets laid “, then he’s not as ugly as incels .

The only real solution (for a real incel ) is surgery for your face , I’ve seen some insane “transformations” by simply improving a jaw line . And he better not be one of those turbo manlets at 5 foot 1 or 5 foot cause surgery can’t fix your height .

I am not an incel , but I do feel bad for them , They get shit on everywhere , even in here, for no reason .

[-] redpillcad 39 Points 9 months ago

Incels dont get shit on here. Incels who dont see themselves as the very fixable problem DO get rightfully shit on.

No different than the way I treat the skinny-fat pencilarmed guys at the gym. I give them praise and pointers. I celebrate their desire to improve.

The soylent sipping pencil armed pussy grovelers at my office who dont want to lift get treated very very differently by me

[-] ac_bro -8 Point 9 months ago

“Incels who don’t see themselves as the the very fixable problems “

There’s the problem , you’re refusing to acknowledge the fact that in some cases the problem is their genetics , not them .

[-] redpillcad 19 Points 9 months ago

I also didnt acknowledge that air is required for breathing

Look dude, we were all born helpless and crying and covered in goo. Most all of us wish we were taller, better looking and naturally stronger.

That's where game comes in

[-] ac_bro -2 Point 9 months ago

Game can’t fix genetic trash, it helps average and slightly below men . Yeah I wish I was taller but I’m average height , even being slightly below average is not that bad but we’re talking incel level of smv here , like around 5 foot 2 and no more than 5 foot 4 .

[-] redpillcad 10 Points 9 months ago

If I were 5ft I'd be smashing so much Asian pussy

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[-] redpillcad 4 Points 9 months ago

I'd then be smashing elephant woman

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[-] reddexx 7 Points 9 months ago

Can you walk? Can you speak?

If Stephen Hawking (and other 'short' guys in wheelchairs and who can't even talk) can smash pussy then you have no excuse but your excuses. Stop making them. Improve yourself and see results. That is the Red Pill of truth, brother.

[-] GGG4673 2 Points 9 months ago

look at this 4'11 guy and his joozy latina wife, fark me she is hot https://www.instagram.com/jonathangarcia_66kg/

does genetic trash also apply to olympic medalists who are 5'2-5'4?

[-] ac_bro 1 Point 9 months ago

Yes , he s another midget roider powerlifter so from an smv standpoint he isn t geneticaly gifted , but i wouldn t call him genetic trash cause i ve seen worse . You think he has a chance in outlifting a 6 foot male with similar training experience / drug use ? LOL Obviously his status is the only reason he can get a decent looking wife to settle from him as her betabux .

[-] GGG4673 1 Point 9 months ago

he is doing a hell of a lot better than any incel. If he can get a hot 5'5'' latina that still looks in her prime, he can get other girls too.

Yes he can out lift a 6 foot male, short men are genetically gifted in lifting heavy ass weights. Ever seen how awkward tall mofos are when they try to squat over 300lbs?

[-] ac_bro 1 Point 9 months ago

The strongest men in the world are all 6 foot + tall , the elite ones are almost always 6 foot 6+ plus (so incredibly tall ) with rare exceptions like Eddie hall who s actually considered short at only 6 foot or 6 foot one .

You’re thinking of non lifting lanky dudes who eat like girls and you’re comparing them to a roider on an elite level . Using your retarded logic women are stronger than men because Steffi Cohen can deadlift 545 lbs , more than the vast majority of lifting males .

Taller dudes will almost always be a better athlete in general (in contact sports at least ) , with rare exceptions because outliers exist at all heights ,

[-] GGG4673 1 Point 9 months ago

lol wut, look at olympic lifting, all the medalists in each weight class aren't the tallest

in boxing, where speed and explosiveness is important, mike tyson at 5'9 was wrecking dudes 6'5+, now you're going to say mike was an exception. But don't you see that moderate mass/height (205lbs) + speed +explosiveness is much more efficient than more extreme height and strength when it comes to hand to hand combat.

in wrestling, again in weight classes, the shorter man has the advantage,

in sprinting, shorter man are usually much faster.

In gymnastics, its the shorter athelets that excell.

strength and height aren't the sole determinants of athleticism. raw strength doesn't make someone a better athelet. you also take into account speed, agility, explosiveness, reaction time, stamina, balance.

[-] TheH1dd3nFear 0 Points 9 months ago

soylent sipping pencil armed pussy grovelers

Saved.

[-] redpillschool 5 Points 9 months ago

true incel ,

You lost me there. What's a true incel? Somebody who died before getting laid? Or decided they couldn't and stopped trying?

like the genetic trash type , 5foot 4 no chin unsymmetrical face wrists like a women type of incel will never really get laid no matter how much he manages to bench , how lean he gets or how confident he gets . He won’t even become average , and we all know average males barely get laid and end up in beta bux marriages with dead bedrooms .

Guys with downs syndrome or terrible physical and mental disabilities get married. So whats their excuse?

[-] ac_bro 14 Points 9 months ago

A true incel is genetic trash . Don’t pretend they don’t exist .

”guys with Down syndrome get married “ Yeah and that’s like the norm ? Are you gonna also start telling a mentally disabled male that its his fault and he’s not getting laid only because of his frame? (Let’s assume he lifts, a lot of incels lift because lifting is fun ) .

If you’re rich yea you can be a beta bux even as a retard , that has nothing to do with what we’re arguing about. Marriage to a gold digger is not the goal , but being attractive enough for a female to genuinely want to have sex with you .

[-] redpillschool 5 Points 9 months ago

Yeah and that’s like the norm ? Are you gonna also start telling a mentally disabled male that its his fault and he’s not getting laid only because of his frame?

I'm saying he didn't throw in the towel just because of his physical maladies. Like you're suggesting.

[-] burnyr 1 Point 9 months ago

Let's be real though, he must be fucking another downie just like him at best, so is that really a win at the end of the day?

[-] vfb14 7 Points 9 months ago

Oh shit, you got him right there. The genetic incel (without the help of extreme surgical modifications)will never experience true desire from a partner.

[-] [deleted] 8 Points 9 months ago

A true incel is genetic trash . Don’t pretend they don’t exist .

I always see this type of 'incel' and see that they could do so much more with themselves. Perhaps its depression what makes them complacent. But either way, I always see room for improvement.

”guys with Down syndrome get married “ Yeah and that’s like the norm ? Are you gonna also start telling a mentally disabled male that its his fault and he’s not getting laid only because of his frame? (Let’s assume he lifts, a lot of incels lift because lifting is fun ) .

No. But the harsh reality is that no ones going to do it for you. Self proclaimed Incels aren't exactly proactive to accomplish goals in my experience. They are more inclined to feel pity for themselves and adhere to the cope. The issue is that the generation were mostly raised by single mothers and soyboy fathers. These men are self-defeatist and lack masculine traits that would give them much more of a shot at a better life. Because again. No one is going to do it for you.

And utter bullshit. I had no fucking teeth. Was 360 pounds and I still got laid and had girlfriends. I just didn't cry about it. And I didn't have a skewed perception of reality in which I think the only way a woman will accept me is if I get surgery for my fucking jaw lmao.

Again, you can always tell the self-defeatist types because they have these over-exaggerated examples of why they can't achieve something.

If you’re rich yea you can be a beta bux even as a retard , that has nothing to do with what we’re arguing about. Marriage to a gold digger is not the goal , but being attractive enough for a female to genuinely want to have sex with you .

And they always come to this conclusion. It's a fucking cope. And that's why they are literally their own worst enemy. Too in their heads to actually go out there and pave their own path.

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[-] ac_bro 4 Points 9 months ago

Define “ something to improve “ , is it gym shower haircut to go from being the bottom 10% to the bottom 20% ? This just improve yourself is a meme now , what part of genetic trash can you not understand ? Self proclaimed incel doesn’t equal real incel . And the only real cope here is believing that incels can just learn game and bang average chicks . Chicks don’t dig genetic trash even if they hold frame ..

“I had no teeth , was at 360 lbs and had girlfriends “ ????????

[-] [deleted] 3 Points 9 months ago

Well for a long time I didn't work on my weight or fix my teeth. I had none of my front teeth. All broken too. Looked fucking disgusting. Didn't shower much either. I went through 10 women and 5 relationships before I ever fixed it.

I get the meme. 'just lift bro' but what's also become a meme is mocking that meme. Lifting is actually more than just muscle. It connects you to your masculinity. Something that men who bitch tend to lack. And guess what women are attracted to? Masculinity. You have an entire generation being told masculinity is bad and toxic. And an entire generation of men lost. Is it any wonder? These 'incels' would rather adhere to the same victimhood that feminists do. And both are equally alone. Both focus on lack. Both claim victimhood.

Women don't dig self-defeatist men because they are of the expectation that men must be stronger than them. There are many variables in attraction. We could sit here and talk about the different aspects of what attracts a woman. But maybe incels should start asking themselves what makes that specific woman attractive to them? Why are they so focused on pedestalising women? It's not like chads hold the fucking key to narnia. They just have an easier time getting into her narnia. Nomsayin?

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[-] KickButtMario 1 Point 9 months ago

Jesus what the fuck are you? How tall are you?

[-] laquicaaaa 0 Points 9 months ago

300lbs with no teeth. jesus christ give me a fucking break

[-] [deleted] 2 Points 9 months ago

Haven't you been asking life to give you a break ever since you've declared yourself as an incel? ????

[-] laquicaaaa 1 Point 9 months ago

if this were true, TRP would not advocate so heavily (number 1 priority) upon lifting to improve physical appearance. Your game can be Marlon Brando smooth, it can be fucking perfect for all I know, but unless you found the 10 girls in the world who have a fetish for 360 pounds of grease, i'm calling BS. Either that or you're 7'4

For the record, I am not completely blackpilled. I believe in game as in perceiving yourself to others as a high value male. It checks out from an evolutionary perspective

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 9 months ago

if this were true, TRP would not advocate so heavily (number 1 priority) upon lifting to improve physical appearance.

My response is going to be a long one so bear with me.

You'd have to be a complete retard to think looks don't matter. But the issue with 'incel's' worldview is that it's one extreme to another. You don't even begin to wonder why there's broke ugly fat men that are in relationships and are hooking up with women at the club. You see a ugly guy with a girl and you'll think, "Beta bucks". And a lot of times you will be right but we can't all blanket statement that as the truth because there's a lot of variables in place. One, purely by observation I see most ugly men in relationships are broke. And one being a truth we've known since the PUA days. That is to just show up and approach. A literal number's game.

Another variable we must point out as to why you're also mostly right: It is absolutely harder for uglier men in today's society because women's standards are getting dramatically artificially raised with the inception of social media and apps Tinder. Because they have an unlimited access to attractive men. But as their standards get raised the standards are becoming more metrosexual and less masculine as each day passes. Pretty boys and 'fuck boys' are what women most sought. And even that standard will change.

Here's the conflict though. Women primalistically respond to masculinity. And there's no way an inversion agenda can bury that. And masculinity in its rawest form doesn't care about how hair looks. Or how nice it smells. Or how clothes make it look. Masculinity is aggression. Masculinity is self-certain. Masculinity is biologically speaking a better insurance policy to ensure the survival and better output to obtain resources that speaks volumes to a woman's biological imperative.

Why do you think smelly sweaty refugees are getting all the white women (even ones who also call themselves feminists) in Sweden? Because their swedish men are artificially becoming less masculine and weak. Then you get the influx of men who are barbaric and masculine in their own right. And women run off with fucking Mohammed and leave their cushy comfortable lives away from their husband.

The issue with most self professed incels is that they claim the same victimhood that feminists do. They revel in weakness. They are affected by the same societal programming that brandishes masculine as toxic and bad. They aren't exactly masculine themselves. And then they see the artificial raised standards of your modern woman and it confirms everything that they feared. That their ugliness is the entire reason for their inability to get laid.

Meanwhile the world has so many ugly men hooking up with women and forming relationships. The issue always comes down to the incel's worldview. The extremes. The acceptance that only the extreme standards of women are to be met. That they are not deserving of it because they were born with the wrong genes. The opposite of masculinity. A bitch. And fat ugly men are more likely to be less masculine by default. Lifting weight connects you to that aggression. Connects you to masculinity.

Your game can be Marlon Brando smooth, it can be fucking perfect for all I know, but unless you found the 10 girls in the world who have a fetish for 360 pounds of grease, i'm calling BS.

Lol absolute bullshit. Most women who I was with at that weight said the same thing. "You don't act like you're fat. You look strong and you make me feel safe." Because I didn't claim victimhood. Because I didn't sit there and be a little bitch about my short comings. For a long time I really didnn't change it until I got hypertension. Till I literally had to change it. Is it easier now I'm classed as physically attractive? Obviously. But let's not pretend ugly fat men don't get laid.

[-] laquicaaaa 1 Point 9 months ago

actually I don't see fat people in relationships (well to be fair I live in the Balkans) or certainly not hooking up in the club. again maybe it's do with region because ugly people know that clubs aren't for them.

the truth is while you're spewing all this alpha superiority onto them they're looking at your face. It doesn't match, like an innocent little poodle gnarling its teeth.

What region are you from and what girls did you slay? Did they resonate well with you from the beginning?

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 9 months ago

Living in Balkans will be different for sure. I mean, women respond to masculinity no matter the continent. But such places will be less inclined to fall to the SJW feminist narrative of the west. I mean I can only talk from western countries. But you're also more likely to get an equally unattractive girl if you are ugly yourself over here.

I've had a massive break from dating but I'm getting back into it. Although I did get approached by women during that break. I would say slightly above average women personally. Overly attractive women don't stick around in my town, they tend to gravitate towards the major cities.

Although I'm eyeing up Irish girls at the moment. Just something about their accent :D

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 2 Points 9 months ago

Most people with downs syndrome (men and women) actually never find a partner.

[-] redpillschool 1 Point 9 months ago

But some do. Why are some genetically predetermined to be alone forever while others aren't?

[-] looksmaxxingcurry 2 Points 9 months ago

I think the answer is down to luck for those people. Celibacy rates for men have been rising steadily and it's not always their faults. I think poverty is negatively correlated with inceldom. As in an area wirh hith poverty will have a low rate of incels. As the standard of quality increases women's need for men will get increasingly lower

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[-] looksmaxxingcurry 0 Points 9 months ago

Apparently not. I dont know how lol. Maybe they just stay home and be vegetables

[-] laquicaaaa 0 Points 9 months ago

"just win the lottery if you want to be rich"

[-] redpillschool 2 Points 9 months ago

Few people are millionaires so why have a job?

[-] laquicaaaa 2 Points 9 months ago

To provide your basic needs. Getting a job is relatively easy and is guaranteed to supply your needs to live. Trying to win the lottery does not payout in the long run, because chances are you will spend all your money and still not win.

Isiah Thomas is 5'9", what's your excuse to not play pro ball? Well aside him being very athletic (agile, able to absorb contact with superior mid air stability and strong core, very fast deceleration, etc... ) that very few wannabe ballers possess, and aside from being extremely talented (genetically, able to learn a lot quicker with his shots), he was barely drafted, and most likely had connections. Sure he is a star offensive player now but still a huge defensive liability and teams hesitate to build a championship team around him.

the point i'm trying to make is "just be an outlier" to objectively ugly people (average is not ugly, a bit below average is not ugly, "wow I feel bad for that guy" is ugly) will not work. Game will not work when evolution is playing against you. Even by sheer luck you become an outlier you somehow get laid by girl with down's, do you think that relationship will last? You will always have some liability

In all honesty I appreciate the post you made because there are so many kids trying to be indentified with something edgy. Hopefully they can get their shit together, but i'm only focusing on those destined to die virgin.

[-] RedPill115 8 Points 9 months ago

You don't think there's women with equivalent problems out there who would sleep with them given he has other attractive qualities?

I mean you could be right if you got a bad roll of the dice and and up in the bottom 10%...

[-] ac_bro 3 Points 9 months ago

We’re talking about incels here , not your average below average looking guy , so no . The problem isn’t* frame .

Unless by attractive qualities you mean having insane social proof ( fame , lots of money and success, ) .

[-] [deleted] 24 Points 9 months ago

5foot 4 no chin unsymmetrical face wrists like a women type of incel will never really get laid no matter how much he manages to bench

Anyone can get laid with £100 in their pocket. What incels want is to be loved. And that love doesn't exist. Women will only love you for what you do for them. Which is why you see many men who fit your demographic in marriages and relationships with beautiful women. Beta bucks. But that's the nature of the beast.

Self proclaimed 'incels' also should lower their standards. For every type of guy like this I meet they always have unrealistic standards and want only the top tier women. When an average woman can just be as good. It's not admitting defeat by lowering their standards. It's simply having realistic expectations based on your SMV.

The only real solution (for a real incel ) is surgery for your face , I’ve seen some insane “transformations” by simply improving a jaw line . And he better not be one of those turbo manlets at 5 foot 1 or 5 foot cause surgery can’t fix your height .

Sure if you want to date a fucking 10. Yet I see phaggots that fit your description in relationships. Could chad come along and bang their missus? Probably? So what. The nature of the beast. Life is risk. They aren't hindered by their looks. They are hindered by their inability to get off their arse and change it.

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[-] ac_bro 5 Points 9 months ago

Literally everything you just said is bullshit. You seriously believe incels would reject an average chick ? 7,5+ smv men will often settle for average females when there’s no immediate better option, so will any straight male with healthy testosterone levels including myself .

Fuck out of here with that bullshit , average chicks often reject males their smv level (the incels never had a chance) and they’ll always go the best they can get . Thanks to males wanting sex a lot more females will get laid way easier and to a guy out of their league . They won’t settle because of their hypergamy

[-] [deleted] 10 Points 9 months ago

Literally everything you just said is bullshit. You seriously believe incels would reject an average chick

They also disregard anything that conflicts with their dark dreaded reality. Like a fucking emo who is more inspired to be sad and pitiful about their lives. Much like today's generation they adhere to victimhood. And how's that any different than a feminist. The reason both are alone is because they are literally their own worst enemy. And they don't want to face that. Instead they develop extreme views on attraction and over complicate it as if women are fucking rubix's cubes that only chad's can master.

No one is saying that looks don't help you. I've been on both ends of the spectrum. They absolutely help. Was it harder for me to get laid? Yes I had to work on my sexual strategy a lot more. But I still was able to go out there and get laid because I wasn't wallowing in my own pity and being a little bitch about it.

Fuck out of here with that bullshit , average chicks often reject males their smv level (the incels never had a chance) and they’ll always go the best they can get . Thanks to males wanting sex a lot more females will get laid way easier and to a guy out of their league . They won’t settle because of their hypergamy

Again. Skewered sense of reality. They literally take AWALT to heart. When it's only supposed to teach you of female nature and that all women are capable of that. These self-defeatist guys just perpetuate the same extremes and yet will literally ignore all the ugly men in relationships and the ones going to bars and getting laid. It wouldn't be too hard to find examples of uglier men than your average description of incel that get laid and are killing it in life. Men are much more than their SMV. But it certainly won't hurt focusing on raising it.

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[-] reddexx 17 Points 9 months ago

For every type of guy like this I meet they always have unrealistic standards and want only the top tier women.

Red Pill truth, brother. They want to smash 10s but don't realize to smash 10s you have to start with a whole lot of 3-4s.

[-] Vikingcel 3 Points 9 months ago

Bullshit. Incels don't want to be loved. Good strawman tho. They want to be desired. They wanna fuck sluts, not marry princessess.

[-] [deleted] 5 Points 9 months ago

If that was the case why don't they just hire escorts for the girlfriend experience? In any case, any guy who identifies as an incel is just self-defeatist and claims victimhood like a feminist does.

Being desired and loved go hand in hand.

[-] Vikingcel 3 Points 9 months ago

Why don't you hire an escort for the girlfriend experience? Cause you gotta pay for it, and it's not really it, right? Desired as in she wants your dick in her cause her vagina is hungry for your semen.

Your FWB desires you. You want to connect love and desire just so you can strawman it.

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 9 months ago

lol Strawman is your favourite buzzword. Well, you're someone who openly admits to banging trannies I don't think you would have an issue with what feels real ????????

[-] Vikingcel 9 Points 9 months ago

Aah, ad hominem now? Is it that easy to get you to act like a hurt bloop?

And no, I don't bang trannies. I'm an incel. I don't bang. I'm glad you've read my supportive comment for people with porn addiction though. ;)

[-] [deleted] 4 Points 9 months ago

Are you really an incel though, I mean posting on TheRedPill seems to be a step further than most self-defeatist types.

[-] Vikingcel 5 Points 9 months ago

Incel just means involuntarily celibate. Nothing more, nothing less.

[-] ac_bro 2 Points 9 months ago

Bro I’ve seen your picture on the truerateme subreddit how the fuck are you an incel at 6 foot with that face

[-] Vikingcel 2 Points 9 months ago

Being an incel is in your heart ????

My face is average at best, after hiding my weak chin with facial hair. Height is barely above average. Don't live in 'Murica where every other adult is obese.

[-] FatmanO 5 Points 9 months ago

Tbh gym works if your face is avg and you are avg height (bonus if tall)

[-] ac_bro 2 Points 9 months ago

Average face + tall = above average male assuming he’s not a pussywhipped wimp , not fucking incel .

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[-] ac_bro 10 Points 9 months ago

Jesus Christ you fuckers are repeating the same shit now , what part of genetic trash do you not get ? Some incels are indeed only incels because of mental issues that has nothing to do with my original comment. I even specifically said that there are some 6foot 5+ “incels” who legit have the potential to be an 8+ just from looks if they lost the weight and got big .

[-] Olram_Sacul 2 Points 9 months ago

Easy man. U said 5’4 guy with recessed chin is genetic trash, I just proved u wrong

[-] ac_bro 9 Points 9 months ago

Show me a picture of that chin/face or else you’re lying .

“My friend is a 6 foot 6 with an insanely masculine face , ne 10percent body fat with a lot of muscle but he doesn’t get laid that much because women are not shallow and they want nice guys and gentlemen. “ see I can do that shit too .

[-] Olram_Sacul 0 Points 9 months ago

He has a double chin and I would say that my friend is ugly, and fucking bald at 27 y/o. Of course I ain’t posting any picture of him. I don’t care if you believe me or not

[-] PaulAJK 5 Points 9 months ago

What percentage of guys would you describe as genetic trash?

[-] We_Are_Legion 2 Points 9 months ago

He is wrong. No one is genetic trash until the fat lady sings.

The point of this post is: Don't listen to some "blackpill" smuck on the internet. The fight for survival is still on.

What percentage of guys would you describe as genetic trash?

By definition, whatever percentage fail to overcome their life's challenges and pass on their genes.

By definition, it is not flaws that make you a genetic failure, but your inability to overcome them.

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You've been miscing too much lol

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[-] PaulAJK 8 Points 9 months ago

Yeah i know a guy who's 5'4, ugly, non lifting, dead end job with mental health problems who still bangs girls. Ok they're 4s and 5s, but he still gets laid. The difference between incels and him is that he has his own sense of style and makes himself his own point of mental origin.

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[-] guyau 0 Points 9 months ago

Everything you said betrays an incomprehension of the specificity of women's desire and perhaps an unconscious desire on your own part be desired like men desire women. Male desire is object focused (a body) whereas female desire is reflexive, meaning they desire to watch themselves be constituted in the male desire itself. This explains why women are always attracted by traits indicative of effective action and desire (hands, forearms, height, muscles); they are merely signs of the intensity of his desire, of his ability to create a world in which she can find her existence taking on density; they are not desired in themselves. Whereas 'beauty' in a man is valued, it doesn't enter in female desire as much as people like you believe (there's a reason why male models are absent from women's erotic novels ).Obsession with beautiful men is actually quite new and it's predominance as sexual value today has other causes (economic, social).

[-] reddexx 0 Points 9 months ago

I personally know a non-white, wheel-chair bound guy with a muscle-wasting disease. He is not "handsome". But he is a PUA guru. He dresses sharp and uses his humor. He tries hard and gets dates.

If fuckin' Steven Hawking can get laid (2 wives, 3 children) who can't even speak- then Incels have no fucking excuse- but their Black Pill excuse.

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I am not an incel , but I do feel bad for them , They get shit on everywhere , even in here, for no reason .

No, there’s a very good reason to shit on them. They get knocked around enough it might just dawn on them that their mindset is the main problem.

Suffering is inevitable. We are made to suffer because it is highly fucking motivating to not suffer anymore. Cold.. build a shelter. Hungry.. procure something to eat. Desire to procreate.. secure a mate.

Once you get comfortable you stop taking action. That’s why reaching a goal is actually a let down. We are built to suffer and struggle in order to put out the required efforts to not suffer and struggle. The carrot will never be reached. The actual enjoyment is busting your ass to get the carrot.

Incels are not involuntary celibate. They are voluntary quitters. I for one cannot respect a quitter.

[-] ac_bro 1 Point 9 months ago

Fucking cringed hard at that shit , you’re not going to war world 3 and you’re not trying to create civilization . If self improvement is becoming part of the elite rich and powerful , the 1 percent , then sure you’re gonna have to fight , but it’s not . What you said is a bunch of bullshit , you’re not this badass ancient warrior raiding villages killing and raping everything you meet and waging war your entire life

You hit the gym (which is fun anyways so it shouldn’t even count )and diet , try to build up confidence while talking to some random whores which stops being intimidating after less than 10 times (at least for me it did ) and I think that’s it ? Maybe improve your style too and take up some healthy hobbies and read up about the do’s and donts of game but that’s about it if your main goal is to get laid .

What you said is the biggest load of bullshit I’ve seen on this sub so far . It’s not a struggle or a fight , it just takes a TINY amount of discipline and it won’t turn a real incel into a non incel

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[-] TheRedPike 2 Points 9 months ago

Maybe if you didn't spend saturday nights getting shitfaced and drooling on the internet, your fortunes may turn around.

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[-] [deleted] 1 Point 9 months ago

I have 0 sympathy even for the genetic trash ones. Not happy with your face? Get rich, get surgery. Not happy with the current state of surgery? Study, make up your own (or die trying).

Get disrespected from people? Learn to fight/ buy a knife/ gun, learn to stand up for yourself (or die trying).

Can’t get big? Steroids.

Unhappy with you genes for some dumb reason? Genetic therapy.

Under no circumstances is complaining and bitching a viable option. If an IRL friend of mine acted like you did, I would slap some sense into him.

[-] ac_bro 2 Points 9 months ago

You’re a retard and you ain’t slapping no one

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[-] We_Are_Legion 2 Points 9 months ago

Even if you are right, and some organisms are disadvantaged in passing on their genes, and threatened if they don't adapt... what use to them is a "philosophy" that teaches them to lay down and die?

Even if their chances may have been 1%, with black pill, they're zero.

That said, I think people who go into incel are severely fucked in the emotions and they dont really see the possibilities in a way a confident man does. The ugliest motherfuckers have a 95% chance of getting laid if they are confident enough and try enough.

[-] [deleted] 22 Points 9 months ago

Good thread.

Joining an INCEL group is fucking retarded. It's like joining a group dedicated to how bad you are at sports, or how shitty the food you cook is.

It's the same as to why the subreddit MGTOW (and that's going to be one of my focuses here regarding this topic) is accused of focusing on women despite striving to 'go their own way'. And not only that. It's a hyper focus of shitty female nature. That 'all women will screw you over' so it's better to stay away from them. And for what? To aspire to be a social hermit. Because it's 'safer'. There's no brotherhood mentality. No sharing tips. No strategy to do better in life. It's an utter cope of sharing links of shitty click bait that journalists have written to get a reaction.

ForeverAlone and incel groups is the same cope. They just more vocal about their insecurities. It's why there was a natural conversion when their subreddit went down and a lot fled to MGTOW.

In fact, involuntary celibacy is what I consider to be one of the best catalysts for improvement a man can have. Rock bottom and ignored by women. It is the single best eye-opener a man can experience (along with being cheated on, divorced, or dragged through the family court system).

When I first started in the SoSuave days back in 2003. I was fat. I had missing teeth. For years I didn't change any of that. And sure I didn't attract the top tier women. That still despite my shortcomings was able to attract attractive women. I had no money. No prospects. No career. It was much more harder work. And I have it so much more easier now that I have fixed my teeth and lift weight and I'm now considered an attractive male to most women. But that also says a lot about the climate of men who don't put in the same work to look better. Men are becoming complacent. And it's no different with MGTOW.

Also, the mere fact that I could go out there despite a lot of rejection and still fulfil my biological imperative is but one of the many stories of ugly men with attractive women 'considered out of their league'.

The BLACK PILL? How many pills are there??

And it should only serve the purpose to derive knowledge so that in the face of it, you know how to navigate the harsh sea.

Keep swallowing pills and you'll overdose on the bitterness.

INCELS believe they hold the key to reality. They call it "the black pill" because they're edgy and in the market of ideas, being edgier than us is a surefire way to collect attention. The hypothesis of the black pill is that looks are more important than any other factor when it comes to mating. Implicit in this is the understanding that the red pill does not believe this, and instead believes actions are more important than looks.

And that's why I left the MGTOW subreddit. Because it's not a brotherhood of men striving to do better in life. It's a cope. It's a place for guys to cosplay dread game in how they rejected women to boost one's ego. I say dread game because at the core the narrative that 'women are afraid of men walking away' plays a huge role in that much needed ego boost. But in reality all it does is spite your own biological imperative. And women don't give a shit because there's a sucker born every minute. "But I am hot stuff! I am chad! Going my own way!" And even ugly fat women can go on Tinder and get their ego boost from a number of chads.

And that's another reason why the media don't give a shit about MGTOW as much as the Red Pill. They want men to go their own way. The feminists. The nasty bastards all laugh at MGTOW. It also fits perfectly into the narrative to segregate the sexes. And no doubt the climate is shit. Women are becoming as kunty as ever. There is social engineering happening on a world wide aspect. Perhaps intentional. Perhaps a side effect of social media and gynocentrism. The issue has always been it's a hyperfocus on the worst of society. That there are amazing experiences to be had. That AWALT only means that they are capable of that nature. And to blanket judge all women is no different than a liberal saying all men are toxic.

Of course looks matter. Looks can be the difference between wild success and being cast out among the losers. Nobody at TRP believes that looks don't matter.

Yes. Losing weight. Building muscle. Revealing my jaw line hidden under years of fat. It's definitely made life much easier. But I put work into getting there. And I am of the camp that all men are capable of getting to a level where they can look good.

That's right. They're choosing not to change any factors that might lead to the end of their abstinence. They are so afraid of failure that they simply do not try. Then they claim that they alone hold the keys to reality because life's a bitch and don't we all have some shit going on.

Such self-defeatist attitude is the opposite of brotherhood. It's boys leading other boys to the poison well. It's being comfortable in a rutt. It's no different than fat acceptance. IM BIG AND BEAUTIFUL. And then she's in her 30s crying to the notebook as her 5 cats shit allover her house.

[-] Olram_Sacul 2 Points 9 months ago

Yeah, I see braincels and mgtow subs very similar in their approach. All fucking day whining and bitching

[-] TheImpossible1 4 Points 9 months ago

I always thought the black pill was acknowledging that women genuinely hate the majority of men for existing and wouldn't think twice about killing them off.

Basically, acknowledging that all women are feminists and all women want you dead and will stop at nothing to do so.

[-] redpillschool 7 Points 9 months ago

I've heard people refer to the black pill as anything from INCELDOM to saying the JEWS DID 9-11.

My opinion is that there is one objective reality.

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Feminists do. Fortunately not every woman is a raging feminist

[-] TheImpossible1 0 Points 9 months ago

Hmm I'm not sure.

I think the majority are, they just hide it better.

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[-] Imperator_Red 2 Points 9 months ago

Yep, or more accurately, the majority are passive supporters of feminism. They aren't at the rallies screaming and wearing pussy hats, but they vote for feminist policies.

[-] TheImpossible1 1 Point 9 months ago

Exactly. They're attacking us without openly admitting it.

[-] bestsparkyalive 4 Points 9 months ago

You fuckin nailed it with this post bro. Well done.

[-] FereallyRed 33 Points 9 months ago

Incels are the worst of both worlds... They're blue but with the knowledge of the red reality, but lack the strength to do anything about it, so they ostrich deep into the sand.

Reminds me of a dialogue/rant I had in asktrp about a month ago where some incel got offended I used the term "incel" as an insult...

Incel IS an insult.

To me, to themselves, to the male population in general, and to the entire ethos of the redpill.

Involuntarily celibate

That means they want to fuck, but can't. UTTER BULLSHIT.

The redpill subs tell you that, yes, you can fuck. Then they lay out how you can mazimize your looks, your attitude, your confidence, and your game so you can actually go fuck.

BUT you actually have to do some work.

Incels are not involuntary, they're lazy, and have developed intricate ego protection strategies to cover the fact they're too lazy.

(muh canthal tilt is why I can't get laid! poor me. Should I get surgery?)

Which is in and of itself unattractive.

I have absolutely no use for someone who's not interested in putting in some effort. If you're not interested in fixing you, why should I be interested in trying to help?

Nothing involuntary about these bitches at all.

Read the article I linked.

(The article was Whisper's Don't talk to me like a bitch)

The thread

Unfortunately, asktrp is inundated with these self pitying bitches that can't be arsed to do anything for themselves but shitpost.

I know there's a lot of chaff in the wheat, and winnowing is the reason that sub exists, but in the 4 years I've been playing in that threshing area, I've noticed a definite increase in the chaff percentage.

Here's another quote of mine responnding to yet another whiny, poor me "incel"....

This is what is so frustrating about incels "involuntary celibates". They refuse to do anything. So even their label is wrong. By refusing to do anything but bitch and moan about their unhappy situation, they VOLUNTARILY decide to do NOTHING about it. They're voluntary celibates. VOLCELS.

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[-] Flying_Wingback 3 Points 9 months ago

Thanks for that thread bro. Shit is so well written that sometimes it’s just the language alone that impressed me on this sub.

[-] bsutansalt 2 Points 8 months ago

Incels are the worst of both worlds... They're blue but with the knowledge of the red reality, but lack the strength to do anything about it, so they ostrich deep into the sand.

You just described PUAHate to a T.

[-] FereallyRed 1 Point 8 months ago

Looks like the site and the sub are history/dead.

I assume it was like TBP? No constructive, well, anything and they just shit everywhere on themselves and everything they could?

[-] bsutansalt 2 Points 8 months ago

I assume it was like TBP?

Yeah, there was a lot of overlap. Guys who tried, failed, and blamed the community rather than hold themselves accountable for their own inadequacies.

[-] GayLubeOil 20 Points 9 months ago

Every commodity is comprised of a Signifier (a label) and a Signified (the commodity itself). So for example with Coca Cola the bubbly brown syrup is the Signified and the advertising and labeling is the Signifier.

With regards to an Incel the Signified is a worthless Shitbag. Unfortunately because of the 2013 SJW cultural shift the Shitbag can just sit around playing StarCraft 2 like he did in 2010.

The Shitbag needs a new Signifier to relabel what he's doing as a socially acceptable something else. So he takes the Red Pill message and exaggerates it into a perverted excess, relabeling himself from Shitbag to Incel in the process.

So fundamentaly what we're dealing with is a rebranding of a shitty product, a stupid language game and not an internally consistent philosophy.

[-] G4RRETT 3 Points 9 months ago

Looks are the most important thing but it's still just one of the many factors IMO.

[-] Olram_Sacul 4 Points 9 months ago

I’ll say it again: the problem with most incels is mental issues, some of them more serious than others. I know what I’m talking about because I’ve been there

[-] reddexx 1 Point 9 months ago

There is no "Black pill". It is an excuse only. The Red pill is the Truth, period. There is no alternative truth. Incels are trying (and failing miserably) to create an alternate truth to salve their wounded feelings from not trying and changing enough and failing with women.

Failing sucks. Trying and failing repeatedly really sucks. I know whereof I speak. But you do not get an excuse to quit. Ever.

I personally know a non-white, wheel-chair bound guy with a muscle-wasting disease. He is not "handsome". But he is a PUA guru. He dresses sharp and uses his humor. He tries hard and gets dates. If fuckin' Steven Hawking can get laid (2 wives, 3 children) who can't even speak- then Incels have no fucking excuse- but their Black Pill excuse.

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[-] Incel9876 0 Points 9 months ago

If fuckin' Steven Hawking can get laid (2 wives, 3 children) who can't even speak- then Incels have no fucking excuse- but their Black Pill excuse.

Ever consider that Hawking is just a invalid mouthpiece for establishment science and that his "wives" have really been his handlers?

[-] reddexx 3 Points 9 months ago

Still gotten laid more than all the Incels combined.

[-] NormalAndy 0 Points 9 months ago

So the million black pill question is ‘what’s in it for me?’

My misery can find company in a million places. What makes this so special?

I think it’s pure bollocks.

[-] apost54 6 Points 9 months ago

I am a profoundly pessimistic person, but this is legitimately true. I went from inceldom to getting girls hitting up my phone 18 hours a day thanks to TRP principles. GLO is the man

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[-] WarriorMonkMode 9 Points 9 months ago

"Black pilled" incels are simply Emos of the Redpill world.

They're still Bluepilled by definition because rather than being indoctrinated by the system externally, they internally surrender and brainwash themselves.

[-] soliaison 1 Point 9 months ago

I am going to have a different take here and go against the grain. What you criticize as embracing INCELDOM, is more nuanced and is expressed by every individual differently depending on what value they put on sex. I am one of those people who accept the reality as it is, and choose to stay abstinent, and this choice hasn't always come about on my own volition. Let me start by saying that I am a regular reader and subscriber to TRP and I respect and admire a lot what you guys do here. But I wouldn't go so far as to call everyone a retard who doesn't follow all its principles. I value the ideas of self improvement, not giving a fuck, keeping your frame, not be emotionally slave to women etc. etc., which I learned from here and endorsed in my personal life. But where I start to diverge in my views from this subreddit is that I can not, for the life of me, accept rules on body building, learning the tricks of the game etc. in order to attract girls. I know it works and whoever likes doing that, good for them. But it's not for me. Taking the red pill gives one a new outlook on life, about how the world really works, but how each person responds to the newfound knowledge can be very different.

I know looks matter and a lot of the 'ugly' attributes can be compensated by a ripped body and whatnot. But I don't follow those ideas because personally I find all this superficial. I keep myself fit and on occasions go the gym but the moment any of those things start to feel like I am doing them for some kind of sexual success, I get highly repulsed by them and I immediately stop. Similarly, I don't find any personal enjoyment by changing the core of my personality, applying psychological maneuverings to entice a girl and to be liked and cherished by her. If that means I'd remain celibate, so be it. You can call it permanent monk mode, or incel or MGTOW, or black pill or whatever. I don't see anything wrong with it. Not everyone has to attest to the same goal and attach the same level of importance to sexual or other achievements in the conventional sense. Yes, I wish the world were different, love and relationships were more genuine, or I were naturally an alpha and universally attractive male, but that's not so, and if knowing that makes me disappointed and disinterested, I don't see why it should be a target of criticism. Overall, I would say there is nothing undignified about a true acceptance that comes with an awareness. Each person has the freedom to define their own philosophy in life.

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[-] redpillschool 5 Points 9 months ago

and choose to stay abstinent

So you're voluntarily celibate.

[-] soliaison 1 Point 9 months ago

Well that wouldn't be strictly true. I believe a voluntary celibacy implies you reject any opportunity of sexual encounter, but that's not the case with me. I am just "fine" with it.

[-] clon3man 0 Points 9 months ago

in a situation like this I would suggest find legal ways to pay for sex / erotic massages. It's not healthy for men to move around life without physical affection semi-regularly (everyone is different, but almost no one can go for several months without physical contact of some kind and stay sane)

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I think that incels need to find some way of getting that physical component out of the way and then they can have more genuine emotional relationships with women that they know since there's no overwhelming pressure to sleep with them, so the relationship with girls who don't wanna fuck them is less strained

[-] pill_miner 4 Points 9 months ago

Dude, you have absolutely no idea. Many incels are legit subhumans. I'm talking 160cm balding Indian with 9cm dick tier subhuman.

[-] HumanSockPuppet 42 Points 9 months ago

Voluntary celibates are using strategies taught to them by the women who undoubtedly raised them. They still suffer from the delusion that men in women are equal in some sense. They are blue pillers with a black licorice coating.

"Bitching and moaning gets women everything they want, just look at feminism! So I can get free stuff too if I bitch and moan just like they do."

BZZZZZTTTTT.

[-] redpillcad 23 Points 9 months ago

I have a father in law (raised by women) who is the biggest pushover and can not say no. He is treated worse than a slave.

When he finally gets overwhelmed he breaks down and cries and lays down. To him, this works for a bit of relief.

It puts his wife and daughters in a near panic state to see a man crack and fall apart like this

[-] Vikingcel 4 Points 9 months ago

It's funny, just not very a curate. I doubt any incel thinks he'll achieve something by 'bitching' on the internet. Their reality is just worse. 'feminists want to kill lil footbal niglet' vs 'women think your dick small if not 8 inches' or whatever.

[-] SimilarHamster -1 Point 9 months ago

The thing about the black pill is it is somewhat true. I think it all goes back to a girl's top option. Sometimes you can do everything right that the red pill teaches you. She gives you the indicators of interest and you go in and get rejected. And you know you did everything right and had a near perfect approach. But she has a chad on the line that uses her as a sex toy. And when it comes down to it the raw fact is your just not as physically attractive. That is what leads a red pillar to the black pill.

[-] HumanSockPuppet 4 Points 9 months ago

You're treating The Red Pill like a philosophy. It is not. It is a toolbox full of useful truths.

The "parts of the Black Pill that are true" are the parts stolen from the Red Pill. Axiomatically, any newly discovered truth becomes a part of the Red Pill toolbox, for you to use or not use as you like.

The Black Pill, by contrast, IS a philosophy. And it is a defeatist philosophy. It says "women are the prize, and their affection and loyalty are the ultimate measures of success. Woe is meeeeeeeee." It places the achievement of your success and happiness in the hands of another. It is faggotry.

[-] SimilarHamster 1 Point 9 months ago

If you have come to the conclusion that your achievements success and happiness are solely in your hands."It places the achievement of your success and happiness in the hands of another." Then you are delusional.

[-] SimilarHamster 1 Point 9 months ago

Also who is to say you cant embrace the black pill philosophy and still use the red pill toolbox to get laid. I think this post could use a broader perspective in my personal opinion. But i do acknowledge the point of the post.

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point 9 months ago

They still suffer from the delusion that men in women are equal in some sense.

This delusion drives the majority of our problems in the west.

[-] tchower 0 Points 9 months ago

It seems like a lot of guys already on here have an incel mentality on the red pill a lot of times, because either way, it ends up being about how good looking you are or if you are a beta bucks in woman’s eyes, with the occasional discussion of holding frame and pick up lines in the field reports.

There’s no way a good looking guy can be attractive to fuck every single girl he gets in contact with, for the simple fact woman do not think like men. They have less testosterone and different brains than men. That’s an incel blue pill theory idea that “if I had the looks, I could be chad smashing every pussy I met” and even the mentality of some of the red pillers on here. Even in the beta bux reality, no amount of money is gonna guarantee loyalty, so I think that’s where game has the greatest benefit, not so much that the “blue pillers” think red pillers are the “losers” or “too nihilistic about woman ”, but the mere fact that game teaches us the realities to make better decisions for relationships moving forward.

The concept of hypergamy might sound pessimistic or like a loser mindset when told to the blue pilled, white knights, or the beta bux but it’s an inescapable reality of woman and a lesson to be learned, as woman do not always know how to explain or justify it, while the men in her life exist to figure it out for them and also live out that reality for them, and hypergamy is such a foreign concept to men, because our reality with woman is much different unless you’re a movie star or professional athlete where it’s an all you can eat buffet of woman.

[-] Loze1 1 Point 9 months ago

Let's see what they'll say about this post for the debate on Wednesday.

[-] mario3453 4 Points 9 months ago

i do find myself to disagree with this post,i will attempt to take out this post by pieces and try to analize them

But joining an INCEL group is accepting defeat and then blaming it on somebody and something else

that is hardly the truth. if you would visit incels groups you would actually know that most of the time incels do actually blame themselves,especially their height and their looks which are all part of our genes

sure,you can make the argument that our genes do classify as "somebody else" but can we really do something about it ? afterall,our genes are what we are

INCELS believe they hold the key to reality

this description also applies to the red pill if you think about it. every group of men i have seen so far seems to believe that they are the ones that hold the key to reality

Red pill,MGTOW,Incels, they all believe that they hold this key to reality and strongly believe that their vision is the correct one. it ultimately boils down to one's individual to choose which reality they want to believe in.

In fact, we believe that looks are so important that the number one thing we recommend, above all else is to lift. You know why? Because an average-to-ugly face is passable if you're fit and strong.

this would be an actual good advice if it wasn't for the fact that unfortunaly face is not the only thing we have no control over

height. height is also one of the foundamentals when it comes to one's looks

in modern day society being below 6 foot is literally a death sentence for pretty much every man,you can cheat your body by going to the gym,you can cheat your face by getting plastic surgery,but ultimately you cannot cheat your height no matter how hard you try.

in the end, i believe that this is yet another "just take a shower" type of post: an advice that encourages the ones that are at the bottom to do something that everyone else already does but that will not even put them in the average line.

[-] Olram_Sacul 4 Points 9 months ago

Omg, unless u guys are all living in Netherlands or Scandinavia, this thing about being under 6 ft is LITERALLY a death sentence is fucking delusional. A jacked 5’8 guy with an ok face and good game can easly slay almost everywhere in the world. In Netherlands and Scandinavia too. Get yourselves outta your rooms, the world ain’t an internet echo fucking chamber

[-] Future_Alpha 1 Point 9 months ago

getting jacked natty takes YEARS...whats a skinny guy on the road to strong supposed to do in the meantime? thus he's an incel.

[-] Olram_Sacul 1 Point 9 months ago

in less than a year you can go from skinny fat to six pack

[-] Dash_of_islam 3 Points 9 months ago

I think he is saying you can't see that through a shirt.

Jacked is visible with clothes on and takes a long time: 2 years minimum

[-] Future_Alpha 0 Points 9 months ago

Jacked is visible with clothes on and takes a long time: 2 years minimum

That's what my question is: if getting jacked takes that long, what does an ugly guy not getting any do to keep motivated and cope with inceldom while he gets jacked?

[-] Dash_of_islam 2 Points 9 months ago

I was agreeing with you.

That it can be pretty discouraging when someone is already basically a failure in everything.

But they just have to put in the work and believe it will at least help their health, and women may be a side effect.

This way they are not using women as the goal so they can relax when they are around women. Also they are less likely to feel like failures if they don't get any pussy.

But I agree, the mental side has to be tough for those guys especially when a lot of them are ugly and half retarded autists which doesn't really have a solution

[-] Greek-God-Brody 2 Points 9 months ago

lol, fuck no. I started lifting 20 months ago consistently and still a cut away from abs

[-] GGG4673 1 Point 9 months ago

wut. a 5'5 guy in my dorm pulls a different girl almost every weekend. Some girls were taller than him. He wasn't even jacked and his face was average. although I heard he danced very well. I heard a girl talk about his swagger. Back then i didn't even know what swagger meant lol. I was so confused.

[-] tromix1 7 Points 9 months ago

Its shit like this that makes me wonder if you’re just using strategic gaslighting here at TRP.

Hear me out;

-incel has become the phrase de-jour by fugly screeching feminists

-its used to describe all men they dont like

-here at TRP we immediately start balkanizing the male world with cutting off one block because “they’re losers, not like us.

Like mother fucker, did you ever come here becuase you were utter shit at relationship dynamics. Now that you learned how to rub a couple of sticks together to make fire, your first reaction is to shit on that pool of socially inept you just emerged from?

[-] redpillschool 4 Points 9 months ago

Sounds like you didn't read what I wrote.

There is absolutely no judgement from me if you are involuntarily celibate. Without it, places like TRP wouldn't exist, and awesome stories like M3's story - confessions of a reformed incel wouldn't be there to guide us.

In fact, involuntary celibacy is what I consider to be one of the best catalysts for improvement a man can have

My argument is against the new trend of men embracing incel.

[-] itiswr1tten 1 Point 9 months ago

Balkanizing incels isn't enough. We need a better solution. An....ultimate fix for this cause.

A....final solution?

[-] SILENTSAM69 2 Points 9 months ago

Incels are pretty misunderstood. Most of them are disabled people. Many are war vets. People disfigured, and so rejected by the opposite sex.

People pretend they are mostly the socially awkward losers who make their own problems. In reality they are a class that should be pitied, and not hated.

[-] Future_Alpha 2 Points 9 months ago

In fact, we believe that looks are so important that the number one thing we recommend, above all else is to lift.

Perhaps that is true, but it takes YEARS to become jacked enough to approximate a chad or make up for a shitty face. So while guys are getting jacked and getting no action, what do you recommend they do??

Its very easy to give up on lifting for many guys when they see no success from women coming.

/u/redpillschool

Some guys (like me) can go out every night and get rejected by every girl they approach...I know cuz I've done it

[-] itiswr1tten 2 Points 9 months ago

Women are a lagging indicator of success. The moment you start measuring yourself vs yourself and not yourself vs success with women you will start to get there.

[-] [deleted] -2 Point 9 months ago

You need to get laid. That’s a need. You go out and grab ass. You assume the risk (getting kicked out, etc.)

Otherwise don’t complain.

[-] Future_Alpha 1 Point 9 months ago

You go out and grab ass.

What really? Girls never responded well to me doing that

[-] [deleted] 0 Points 9 months ago

Keep doing it. U need to get laid. U keep going till it happens, exactly the way u want it to.

U really shouldn’t put much emphasis on how the girls respond in these situations. U do what u want until u decide to stop/continue further.

[-] Future_Alpha 1 Point 9 months ago

I will do that,thanks.

What do i do after i grab her ass and she responds well? One cant talk much in a club

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 9 months ago

Dude wtf

You want to get laid. For that to happen, you need to put ur pp into her vajayjay. Talking ain’t a requirement.

Just follow the night. Otherwise you really don’t want to get laid.

[-] SnowMonkeyCracker 1 Point 9 months ago

Username and strategy do not correlate.

[-] grewapair 1 Point 9 months ago

I'm living proof of this. When you see a guy who is with a woman WAY out of his league, that's me. I'm a natural 4.

Here's my secret. I approached everyone. Got turned down endlessly. Like I would spend a year approaching ten women a week just to get one to go out with me. One.

What you really have to do is to find the one woman who has dated all kinds of men, gotten used by all of them, and finally says to herself "all men are pigs, I'm just going to totally use the next one, he doesn't HAVE to be good looking."

Enter me. I'm the guy they used. I entertained them, made them laugh, did all sorts of stuff for them, spent all sorts of money and time. Once a week, they lied there while I fucked them. They would have done it less, but they knew that was the minimum they needed to do to keep them around. Other than that, they never lifted a finger. Why would they, it's not like they didn't have two eyes. They knew I was ugly.

My advice to you: LIFT. Lifting just telegraphs to the world "I'm so desperate for a woman I'll spend hours hurting myself to get one." The women looking to use a guy will SEIZE right on that. Any guy who will spend that kind of time will spend unlimited amounts of time on whatever else he thinks she wants.

So if you want to pour your life into a girl and get literally used, literally nothing, at all, in return, be ugly but game women. Pour your life into it and you can get them to sleep with you. It's particularly GREAT if you like being treated like human garbage outside of the ten minutes a week the woman lies there for you while you spend the rest of the time for her. I did it over and over again until I finally woke up.

But if you see a guy with a girl out of his league, that was always me. Listen to OP. It WORKS!

[-] clon3man 4 Points 9 months ago

This story seems to have some wisdom in it but I'm really confused? What is your advice for ugly people?

[-] grewapair 3 Points 9 months ago

Gaming women works, but it takes a TON of time for very little in the way of rewards. If you have nothing better to do, and want the validation of a decent looking woman hanging on your arm, you can get one. She'll treat you like shit, but you can get one. If you just want to prove to yourself that you can get one, no matter how bad you'll be treated, it does work.

But what the guys telling you to do this are missing, is the quality of life you'll get as a result. It's not zero. It's less than zero, because you'll essentially give up your happiness for hers. If that appeals to you, go for it. But don't for one second think she's with you because she wants to be, trust me, she'd rather be anywhere else. But because you're such an easy mark, she'll "choose" you.

And after repeating this over and over, for decades, having gotten absolutely nothing, zero, nada, for all the thousands of hours you put into trying to make her happy because Disney told you that's what life should be like for you, you'll finally wake up and peace out. You'll put that time into yourself, not some woman. You'll fulfill your goals, not someone else's. And then you'll be happy and realize you wasted all that time fighting a losing battle trying to achieve a Disney lifestyle that you can literally only have at immense sacrifice that is. not. worth. it. And you'll stop buying what these guys on this subreddit are selling when they tell you they saw "some guy" with a girl out of his league. Because I was that guy and I know what they don't: it's a total waste of time.

My advice is this: do what they say, but then watch how the girl treats you. Once you know you can get one, but that your life will suck once you have one, you can peace out because you want to, not because you can't get one.

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[-] Vikingcel 1 Point 9 months ago

The true and only savagecel.

[-] itiswr1tten 1 Point 9 months ago

Incredible how you think you're a brilliant satirist, but instead are simply espousing basic BP and plow horse approach and saying "what kind of life is this?" as your punchline.

Our philosophies don't disagree in this area. Where they conflict is your ridiculous belief this is your only option

[-] BlindingTwilight 4 Points 9 months ago

Perhaps we should start referring to them as Volcels

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[-] Joey_Lopez 1 Point 9 months ago

The black pill just means that you accept being a loser and you should just give up.

[-] 2a3 2 Points 9 months ago

I pretty much quit following any reading on this sub after incels was banned. It seems like a lot of then took refuge in this place, and just turned it into a cesspit or hating women, because they can’t get pussy.

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[-] SgtLasagna 6 Points 9 months ago

To be fair, every group thinks they have the key to reality. Otherwise they wouldn’t think that way. The thing to look at is results. It seems like TRP is in line with reality. The black pill users just hide from reality.

[-] sanitypanacea 10 Points 9 months ago

all of these bullshit pill colors, the Old posters here have hit it right on the head...this is a wonderful post thank you OP

TLDR on these next paragraphs: a reformed incel attempts a pep talk like the ones he read here that shook the game and changed his life.

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stop talking, posting, learning about "copes" and fucking ADAPT to today's society. let your oneitis go! Rollo Tomassi describes this as a mental disorder and I agree - I think the aforementioned licorice coating is an edgy tween flavored taste of some oneitis insecurities run amok. Go game women and give that bitch 6 months.

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I went no contact in my "oneitis" ex for one month. she went right on self attack talking shit about me around everyone I knew and proceeded to attempt suicide when shit hit the fan. everything I've read about BPD lines up guys I was an ass when I tried to be nice and an ass when I left her alone... there are FAR worse things than a long dry season in the dating game guys. I look back and at the life before and in front of me and I wouldn't have had any of it happen any other way. the pain, the anger. the embarrassment. Nothing fuels a good squat PR or rep like bringing back some of those snide looks from my enemies!

Stop trying to "cope", start living for YOU. Nobody here can do it for anyone.

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I am on the autism spectrum. I am overcoming my difficulties socially, and last night after a few months of SL 5x5, I Overhead pressed 90 pounds without a failure, breaking my first plateau. just 2 years ago I was strung out on dope, truly bluepilled and unable to even do a pushup without falling on my chest - my first challenge was to finish 100 In a day.

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then my new clean friends had me run a 5k with them.

I went from 220 -> 186, and only see up from here. i'm starting to play with plates but really need solidarity before things get regular -- I want to thrive not just survive - I plan to go back to school for accounting - I cant afford to waste any more of my life. and NEITHER can you guys reading this "incel" crap

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[-] drkinferno72 2 Points 9 months ago

You're better off consistently shooting yourself in the foot

[-] metallicdrama 5 Points 9 months ago

I see black pill used by purple-pilled at best neck beard mofos on FB who largely devote their time to edgelord memes and it makes me cringe. These are largely MGTOW to live in denial, wannabe PUA and incel for good reason shitlords that need to go outside. Black pill is what happens when you attempt to taste the red pill and never go outside. Incel group is like those ugly fat chicks in high school that make themselves uglier and claim “they’re real and not fake”.

[-] Incel9876 1 Point 9 months ago

That's right. They're choosing not to change any factors that might lead to the end of their abstinence. They are so afraid of failure that they simply do not try.

Not an actual Incel, far from it, but they are more correct than you. Some men just have genetics that will make self-improvement futile as far as getting women, and if they did manage to be successful, it would likely be as Betabux to post-wall Roasties that would divorce rape them and leave them as MGTOW.

[-] jewishsupremacist88 2 Points 9 months ago

delusional.exe detected. telling short effeminate 5 foot tall asian/indian men that lifting/having game will change their reality is childish nonsense and it's obvious a middle class white dude wrote this post.

[-] max_peenor 2 Points 9 months ago

So help me out here. If Indian and Asian men have a hard time getting laid, why are there so many of them? Are there Chad gangs that rove the continent impregnating all the women?

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[-] ruga2 9 Points 9 months ago

Incels, MGTOW and feminists share the core belief that their problems are externally caused, and should be solved by society.

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Incels, MGTOW and blue pilled men had been educated to be prepared to follow certain rules, under the promise that if they follow those rules, they will be rewarded with women, love and happy family.

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That's a religious belief. They have faith on the rules, and if following the rules don't deliver the results, instead of doubting their teachings, they choose to have faith on the teachings and blame the fail on some evil intervention, which should be evil society, evil women or evil chads.

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There is some truth on blaming society, because society taught them lies, and society demonized red pilled people. It causes rage to find that all the effort invested in following the rules was wasted, and the lack of understanding of the world leaves people impotent, not knowing what they should do. What are the real rules of the world.

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But it is still a personal problem, which should be solved by themselves. Society will do nothing, and if they were getting his way with their demands, it would not work anyways, because they don't understand that the problems of the blue pill are caused by not understanding human nature, which is incompatible with the blue pill.

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The difference between incels and feminists is that feminists still believe they know the solutions, and incels think there is no solution. They both lack the humility necessary to understand that they don't understand the world, are misdiagnosing it, and can't prescribe the right solutions.

[-] Vikingcel 2 Points 9 months ago

Incels, MGTOW and feminists share the core belief that their problems are externally caused, and should be solved by society. Incels, MGTOW and blue pilled men had been educated to be prepared to follow certain rules, under the promise that if they follow those rules, they will be rewarded with women, love and happy family.

Barely any of that applies to incels.

No incel really believes his inceldom should be solved by society. Incels have been conditioned to follow what rules? Be attractive and don't be unattractive? Incels don't want to be cucks, betabux schmucks etc., they share the exact same beliefs with RP, besides their view on looks vs game.

And most incels couldn't give a shit about love and a happy family. They just want to fuck tinder sluts and they can't. That's being an incel in a nutshell.

[-] ruga2 6 Points 9 months ago

Any incel forum is full of angry people.

The are angry because they believe that women are evil for not "obeying the rules". That's because incels don't understand that those rules shouldn't be followed.

"Be attractive"? that's ignorant bullshit. The world is full of hot girls craving ugly alphas.

Hot girls have sex all the time with ugly and bankrupt men.

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You make those arguments, because you still live in the matrix. You still are deep on the blue pill.

[-] Vikingcel 1 Point 9 months ago

Never seen that, I don't visit incel forums. Most incels I've been in contact with here are rational, smart guys.

I'm honestly curious where are all these ugly alphas who fuck hot chicks. I've never seen one. By chance, are you an ugly guy who fucks hot chicks?

[-] ruga2 4 Points 9 months ago

I always had been good looking, and I had hot girls taken from me by very ugly guys.

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If you never saw ugly dudes being successful with women, then you don't have much experience in life and social spaces.

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I know a dude with had an accident and was left paraplegic. He can't move anything below his neck, and he married after his accident, he's cadaveric slim, and he totally rules his wife. He's not even nice to her.

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You can't be worse than Sean Stephenson, and he gets girls. He married:

So, stop whining like a loser, and fix your life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaRO5-V1uK0

[-] TruthSeekingPerson 1 Point 9 months ago

MGTOW does not. MGTOW are content with how things are.

[-] ruga2 0 Points 9 months ago

That's false. Most MGTOW believe that they can pressure society into "changing" if enough men "go away".

[-] TruthSeekingPerson -1 Point 9 months ago

Those are MRAs. MGTOW want to do their own thing.

[-] bsutansalt 1 Point 8 months ago

Incels, MGTOW and feminists share the core belief that their problems are externally caused, and should be solved by society.

They are right that some issues are externally caused, such as the gynocentrism of our society. Their failings are their unwillingness or incapacity to change and adapt to the reality they live in and be able to success in the face of it.

[-] smokecheck1976 6 Points 9 months ago

I wish I could upvote this more than once, because it deserves it. To be a living organism is to be subject to change and to be able, to some degree or another, to influence that change.

There are truly three groups of incels. One group is the type that either needs serious intervention from knowledgeable psychiatric professionals to help them unfuck themselves. A subset of this group are the ones that are beyond any hope of help. A second group are those that have some sort of serious disfigurement, either through accident of birth or some unfortunate event in their lives, even then, it is telling that not all people seriously disfigured are incels. The third group are the people that believe they should just lay down and give up because what they want isn't falling in their laps after they have completed some video game like task a set number of times.

The Black Pill, whatever you want to call it, gives them an excuse for not trying. Worse, it gives them an excuse to hate people that don't give them what they want. Should you really care, for example, that blonde-haired, blue-eyed Stacy is in some indian guys 10-year old Ford Escort instead if your BMW? No. Should you maybe ask Stacy what she finds attractive (if that's the case) about the Indian guy? If you can do so without sounding like a condescending asshole and just listen to her answers, then yes. Though if you can do that, you probably won't need to.

[-] mortalcoil1 1 Point 9 months ago

Some of the greatest pussy smashers of history were average to down right hideous dudes.

Hugh Hefner, Jack Nicholson, Mick Jagger, Gene Simmons. The Situation from Jersey Shore probably doesn't have as prolific numbers as those legends, but he is ugly as shit and I'm sure he's banged hundreds of women.

Anybody who is stupid enough to believe incels are right is stupid enough to be an incel. Pure narcissistic bullshit to protect their feelings from the truth, they are awful people.

If any incels are reading this, volcel if you wouldn't.

[-] xddm2653 -1 Point 9 months ago

Looks really don't matter for guys.. take any ugly guy off the street and you can transform him into a pussy slaying beast within three months. Won't be easy but the potential is always there

Women don't have this privilege

[-] Johnson_McBig 9 Points 9 months ago

You don't quit drinking by hanging out with people who drink regularly. That's for sure.

[-] anabolic92 6 Points 9 months ago

In fact, we believe that looks are so important that the number one thing we recommend, above all else is to lift.

I am not defending any side, but here it might be where you differ. While both sides agree that looks are important, incel definition of looks are more facially related or height, which both are hardly treatable without surgeries.

For instance , an individual who meets any of the “requirements” pointed in the last paragraph, and lifts as you advised, is a gymcel.

I can somehow understand the incels and maybe even relate more than I’d like, but I think it’s not healthy to indulge a helpless attitude and a victim role, that’s what women do.

[-] thepesterman 3 Points 9 months ago

The only way in which your looks will hold you back is your own confidence, women do not care about looks, only you do.

[-] JimBeamAndCoke2016 1 Point 8 months ago

Wrong. Women are looks orientated, without doubt, however I think the abundance of interest from men online has added fuel to the importance of looks than in pre-internet days.

[-] thepesterman 1 Point 8 months ago

If the only place you meet women are online then you are somewhat correct. Anytime I've messed around on tinder with female friends it's always 'he looks like fun' or 'he looks interesting' rather than 'he's hot'. Female attraction is far more complex than male attraction, due to the level of investment required by females to replicate genes. From an evolutionary standpoint, Males can pump and dump whereas females have to invest time and resource to ensure the survival of their genes. That is corner stone of TRP ideology.

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[-] MisterInspector 2 Points 9 months ago

Incels piss me off. I talked to one once, and there truly is no helping them because they don't want to help themselves.

[-] conquersex 1 Point 9 months ago

I don't like how voluntary celibacy is being dissed. Please research semen retention and subsequent sublimation into Ojas and how that can enchance both physical power and mental power. Benefits include longer lifespan, healthier body, vibrant glow on the face, Tejas on the face and body (glowing eyes, magnetic aura), sharper intelligence, improved memory, gigantic willpower, increased determination and a general sense of well-being and inner bliss.

I can provide sources for these claims, you only have to ask. Also, there is a reason every authentic and genuine spiritual tradition in the world asks us to become celibate and avoid women's association. It's not even the sex - just associating with women will pollute your intelligence with their twisted thinking process and bring it down. There are also subtle effects on the subtle body on the mental plane/realm. These changes can't be detected until one is already spiritually advanced and so we should listen to the masters and avoid women. Of course, having sex also makes us lose semen, which in turn means that there is less of it to rise up to our brain and be sublimated into Ojas, thereby depriving us of the benefits mentioned in the previous paragraph.

tldr; nofap works.

[-] BlackPillDiet 3 Points 9 months ago

You are wrong that they don't try.

There are many incels that have done hundreds of approaches and went through PUA phase, red pill phase, but failed to get any pus, because they are 5'4'' and have non-existent jawlines.

inb4 brainlet redpill normie calls me incel. I'm not, I have had several girlfriends, doesn't mean it's not black pill (aka my looks) that attracted them in the first place.

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[-] redpillschool 3 Points 9 months ago

What exactly is your argument, you say there is no "blackpill" then prove there is by suggesting everyone to lift because looks matter. It's like i have to treat you like a woman

Apparently you have to act like a woman and turn to insults because you didn't bother comprehending my point (nevermind rebutting it).

Yes, looks matter. That's already baked into the red pill. There is no "black pill" because you all took that and decided that looks don't just matter, they are all that matters. That's a convenient excuse to stop trying.

Shit, very few people become millionaires. Should we all just quit our jobs or what?

So your counter "evidence" to "blackpill" is an anecdote, despite the overwhelming actual evidence against you?

Sure some ugly people may not have much luck with women. But you know who definitely has zero luck with women? Guys who convince themselves there's zero chance so they don't even try.

You are doing the exact things like incels, you just word it differently and think you are better than them.

No, incels are doing what we already coined, but worse than us. We realized looks matter and the biggest way we can change it is getting into shape. Y'all just decided weights are too heavy so fuck it why go outside?

There is no glory in involuntary celibacy.

Who says there is?

The involuntary part says it. There's no glory in something you can't (or you think you can't) control.

incel by definition means involuntary

No. Fucking. Shit.

Get the fuck off my sub.

[-] SalporinRP 5 Points 9 months ago

The thing about the "back pill" is that even if some guy out there is so ugly that no amount of effort will make his face more attractive then what do you think is a more fulfilling life?

Wallowing in self-pity or actually attempting to improve yourself in all aspects (not just physical) and live life on your own terms?

[-] Strider_Tolstoi 2 Points 9 months ago

My thoughts exactly, there is no excuse for being out of shape, even if no women would ever feel atracted to you.

[-] Psychological_Radish 3 Points 9 months ago

I'm not sure that TRP emphasizes Looks enough, which is why a retarded forum like the Black Pill can exist in the first place.

Yeah, we tell guys to "go lift" and improve grooming, etc. but articles on why those things are so important or how to achieve them aren't easily accessible. Most articles posted here come back to Game, not Looks.

Clearly there is a real dearth of proper lifting advice; guys post body pics saying they've been lifting for 6-9 months, but obviously they're doing something wrong because a lot of them still look skinny as hell. It's easy to see how a guy can get mired in negativity after working hard (but not smart) for the better part of a year and see few gainz and no noticeable uptick in female IOIs.

[-] JimBeamAndCoke2016 1 Point 8 months ago

Lifting is overrated when it comes to raising attractiveness. An average to below average looking guy will still have the same level of facial attractiveness even after getting bigger in the gym.

By all means, promote the gym for it's benefits of getting a good physique, but not for increasing your attractiveness to women.

[-] Psychological_Radish 1 Point 8 months ago

That isn't necessarily true. Guys with a lot of body fat will definitely get better facial aesthetics after losing weight, because fat accumulates in the face.

Assuming low body fat, yeah, underlying facial harmony is the number one factor for attractiveness. I don't think anybody disputes that. But barring some major deformity, increasing lean muscle mass WILL make you more attractive. There is plenty of evidence for the fact that a lean, muscular body is physically arousing to women. It comes down to an individual girl's preferences as to whether a good body can compensate for facial aesthetics. You obviously can't win all of the girls all of the time.

[-] Acceptable_Camel 2 Points 9 months ago

Incels are the genetic experiments that just didn't make pan out.

[-] mrsmashypants 2 Points 9 months ago

Black pill is a perfectly apt and sensible term tbh. It encapsulates the progression from blue - red - and beyond for many men. You can say whatever you want, but there is one ultimate truth - genetic determinism. Some men are simply born lucky and win without trying. Others struggle to unimaginable levels with PUA, game, lifting, statusmaxxing and still fail.

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Women care more about physical appearance than men do, and most of that is facial attractiveness. Secondary features like height, frame are also important. That is all the black pill really is, and if you can't accept that then you are still in denial. Everything else like inceldom is merely a reaction to the black pill, whether its right or wrong is irrelevant.

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[-] BurnoutRS 1 Point 9 months ago

I had this argument with a friend in the pit at school one day many years ago. We were discussing the use of dipping sauces with pizza. There were two pizza places by my school. One sold quality pizza, italian family owned, stone oven. The other was a shitty chain that slapped cheese and sauce on cardboard.

The argument was that I shouldnt be dipping my quality slice at all. That dipping sauce should only be reserved for making shitty pizza palatable. I argued back that if dipping sauce makes shitty pizza palatable, then it makes quality pizza divine.

Lifting is dipping sauce. doesnt matter how good or bad your pizza is to start off with. Sauce aint gonna make it worse

[-] enimgador 1 Point 9 months ago

Not too sold on either of those theories (not willing to start a fight though), but incels are thoroughly pathetic, You guys are at least trying to actively improve yourselves and aren't complaining about LIFE BEING so tough, whereas incels isolate themselves in a huge chamber.

[-] GodOfDinosaurs 2 Points 9 months ago

I have a 5'5 bald and overweight friend who can absolutely game the fuck out of beautiful women. I think they literally forget what he looks like, and more importantly forget what they look like. He just completely flips the script on them. It's a masterclass.

Black pill is a lie.

[-] Thalimarcus 2 Points 9 months ago

Blackpill is defeatism at its finest. It's a lie that you convince yourself is the truth. It's the exact same thing that made Cain kill Abel.

Redpill is the growing mindset. First principles. The desert of the real. You figure what the the thing closest to truth is, ignoring emotion because it distorts the truth.

Bluepill is not knowing/refusing to accept the truth. It's the safe harbor of ignorance. You can stay there for a long, long time. But all it takes to get you out of that harbor is realizing that you're not really anchored to reality and that you'll slowly drift away if you don't change something.

[-] GEN_GOTHMOG 2 Points 9 months ago

I'm what you would call an incel, if were going to be pedantic. It's been some 4 years since I felt the warmth of a woman, and I realise that looks are indeed the most important aspect of a persons ability to attract, but not the only one.

Having spent the last 4 years in monk mode (and by monk mode I mean spending most waking hours working) I now run 2 businesses with a third on the horizon. There is some merit to inceldom, provided you do something with your time.

Of course, at times I want nothing more than to dump my sweaty seed in some grillz cunt, but it would take time and effort, conceding either to women would at this current time would be a waste. I have a mission, and women can wait.

In the meantime I'll continue lifting, working, and spending my resources to develop what most people haven't half the time to manage.

[-] Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 1 Point 9 months ago

But their jokes are funny. Cope or rope, lifefuel/suicidefuel, ricecel/gymcel/medcel etc.

[-] monsieurhire2 1 Point 9 months ago

Harsh reality: if you are born a 1-3, you can work hard and raise yourself up to 4-5, but you probably won't be banging the prom queen, unless you are paying, and then maybe not even then, because hookers say no all the time.

[-] ProperStrategy 1 Point 9 months ago

blue black and red mate not too hard to get your head around

[-] ChrimsonChin988 2 Points 9 months ago

It's fucking stupid because no matter how deformed and fucked up you are, you can always pick up a fucking dumbbell, read the sidebar and practice things through which you can gain confidence, you will end up fucking SOME girl. Yes, she may not be the prettiest but pussy is pussy.

I feel like these dudes wallow in self-pity because they realize it's very unlikely they will ever end up fucking a model and are too lazy to put in the work to make it a possibility.

Big fucking surprise, not everyone is going to fuck Doutzen Kroes and marry Angelina Jolie. But if you're willing to put in the work and go beyond your comfort zone you'll be amazed how fucking far you can get in life.

[-] tengo_una_pregunta 1 Point 9 months ago

Yes there is, the black pill is violence though. It is that at a certain level, nothing beyond you wanting something matters, as long as you want it you can have it.

You can be "the dwarf" who showed up in a village with a bunch of his goons and tell the local plaza boss that his daughter is going to fucking marry you. Only you are stopping it.

[-] GreetingsFromErf 1 Point 9 months ago

Or, it is a transitory phase and possibly the first one an awakening man lands in depending on his google search terms. I agree that staying in the anger phase is a bad thing, but if they serve as a landing platform for some dude who's about to loose his shit, then incel groups serve a purpose. It may be the first time he realizes he is not alone.

"Incels" are for all practical purposes the target demographic for the red pill are they not? I say, stay friendly and let them know they are welcome to a more prosperous existence once they can drop the anger. IMHO, MGTOW is the best place to camp out until an individual starts seeing indicators of interest from women. Then they can make an informed decision with regard to playing the game or skipping it all together.

[-] WhiteTrashJesus 1 Point 9 months ago

It's especially stupid because you can be ugly and your face will look better when you become fit. It's like 90% of facial aesthetics are based on not being fat for dudes.

[-] Managicall 1 Point 8 months ago

I'm sure most ugly guys would prefer to look better.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Are you the beholder, a woman? Do you claim to speak for all women? Are you a friend to all people? Even the ones that wish us harm?

A friend to all is a friend to none, your bias is what the rest of us men gain value by competing against. A blue pill 'nice guy' will never understand that TRP means giving women choices, gives us options because after all we are born from women and women make more women. A blue pill does not see this infinity and is curtailed by platitudes and niceties that are lukewarm, benign and ultimately a pointless waste of energy. Not just women, but also men do not want to be trapped with such an altruistic dumbass.

If intelligence is the evolutionary trend of how not to get trapped and dead then altruism is psychopathy. TRP is simply Objectivism applied to sexuality.

[-] bsutansalt 1 Point 8 months ago

Where is the correlation coming from between INCELS and Black Pill? I've always understood the latter to be akin to The Red Pill, but without the sexual strategy and self-improvement aspects. In other words it's just about chronicling facts about women's true nature.

[-] JimBeamAndCoke2016 1 Point 8 months ago

You know why? Because an average-to-ugly face is passable if you're fit and strong.

The biggest lie that's constantly spouted.

[-] redpillschool 1 Point 8 months ago

Works for me.

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[-] Blackphish88 1 Point 8 months ago

Would you consider it volcel or monk mode to be of a mindset "women aren't worth my time I'm gonna lift, explore my hobbies and enrich my mind"?

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