It has long been the accepted de facto rule within the community that you shouldn’t check her phone.
You’re the abundantly minded outcome independent masculine manly man chad thunder cock... you don’t need to know who she’s talking to or what she’s doing.
For some this may work, for me however I have a severe problem with this, protecting my most important asset.
My time.
I treat all relationships as a rolling 1 month contract, I’ll check her phone once a month without her knowing, I’ll do a quick 5/10 minute scroll of everything noteworthy (pictures, Facebook, texts, call log, search history etc) brief but through.
I can spend the entire month not worrying about what she’s up to and display a perfect lack of neediness, jealousy or other unattractive quality’s because I know if she’s misbehaved I’ll find out in the next 30 day’s.
If I see some boundary’s have been broken that’s it, there’s no mention of it, no conversation, no hamstering I just ghost and block her on everything.
Why do I do this?
For me if there’s one thing I despise more than cheating or lieing , it’s finding out long after the fact that i’ve wasted my time and energy on someone who’s disrespecting me.
This is what works for me, you do as you see fit but I believe that checking her phone is not a black and white issue.
TLDR; You’re the IRS, Audit the bitches phone once a month and forget about what she’s doing the rest of the time
dryenz 5y ago
She will cheat and you won’t even know it or suspect unless you want to waste money/time and install a spy app in her phone , just let the truth come alone and you’ll always know after that truth comes, that you invested in a whore, whatever, I personally don’t advise you to waste time and energy going through a girl’s phone, she may let things there so she can test how much you need her and depend on her, she knows this by you getting bored and angry, woman test you using your feelings and emotions, not your logical brain side...
Never assume that a woman is your and she adds value to your life, once you do that you’ve lost your value and you’re becoming deeply connected and eventually you’ll fall...
eazihacker-at-gmail 5y ago
I have been a physiotherapist like all my life, i have a doctor husband. i never knew my husband was screwing one of the fat ugly nurses till i tracked his phone. I noticed that every time he comes home from call duty, he is always tired and sometimes mentions her name in his sleep… I thought maybe cos she is fat and lazy , she gives him a hell at work not knowing my husband is the one giving all the hells. I found out this when I decided to track my husband phone by writing down his IMEI no by dialling *#06# on his phone and sending it to (eazihacker-at-gMail) for help. you need to see his face when i started reading their whatsapp conversation out loud…..
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In my opinion, that is one of the best qualities of women that they will come and then eventually they will go.
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AllahHatesFags 5y ago
For LTR I agree you should check her phone because AWALT and bitches lie. Doing this and exposing infidelity early on can save you from massive life-wrecking events later on such as being cuckoldry, divorce, and being dragged through the family court system. I also assume that she would be checking my phone as well.
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[deleted] 5y ago
Usually you don't need to check her phone. If she starts talking about a guy in particular in daily conversation then you have a problem.
banthrow 5y ago
Trust but verify, it cannot be said enough.
Prepare to find ugly things. Most long-lived couples are long lived because nobody read each other's phones. Most of my friends divorce/breakup stories start with "I checked her whatsapp". There is saying in my country: "What you look for, you shall find.". I prefer the other way: I preemptively cheat with as many girls as I can. If she do it, well, I'm ahead in score.
Aufbruch 5y ago
How do your friends' "stayed together" stories go?
banthrow 5y ago
I know some couples, I don't know any happy couples. They have troubles, and the men basically stay for the kids. Kids always makes it easy to stay, to take a lot more shit.
Honstely I think there are no cheating going on in the "happy couples". The guy is not all alpha either. Is just that the women is not completely crazy, there are often reasonable ladies.
bleucheesyboi 5y ago
My advice to you: get a lady who admires you and treats you like a king. Not sure what you have going on, but sounds destined to fail.
Sparrow991 5y ago
Eh. If you can't trust your girl from the get-go you've already lost. You shouldn't be needing to do this at all.
Kobinks 5y ago
You can’t trust any of them, if you do you’ve already lost
Sparrow991 5y ago
No point being in a relationship if you're gonna act toxic all the time
CCJ22 5y ago
You hit the nail on the head. There is actually no point.
Sparrow991 5y ago
There are definitely trustworthy women out there, it's just becoming harder and harder to find them.
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[deleted] 5y ago
This is the art of spying. Well done. It pays to know people better than they think.
DutchMorrocan23 5y ago
Lmao lost it at Chad thundercock
ApexmanRP 5y ago
I dunno..
It sounds like you are hamstering mate guarding into "protecting my time".
Time with a woman is time to be frittered away in fun. It add no value to my life in the RP sense.
Do I need her to cook? No. Do I need her to clean? No, I have a cleaner anyway.
I have no wish to protect an investment that doesn't exist. I focus on myself and she is either in or out.
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Kobinks 5y ago
It’s not normal for me, I have boundary’s
SMRII 5y ago
Why hasn't a mod deleted this garbage 'sperg of a thread yet?
Ray_pinasses1210 5y ago
Idk man, this reeks of beta insecurity
First, by checking her phone you’re in her frame. It shows insecurities and controlling behavior
And what’s this “I’m making an investment” shit Get over yourself. Your time is important to you, but not to anyone else. Nobody owes you anything so stop trying to act entitled. That’s what women do
Also, if she is fucking other men and you find out then what? She will just say you violated her privacy and either beak things off or beg you to give her a second chance. And if you give her a second chance, you’ll look like a weak cuck
pame12 5y ago
There was a guy on here a while back that had a similar viewpoint as yours, but he was more extreme. He installed spyware on everything his gf used, her phone, laptop, ipad, etc... it was pretty great, I think I might do that myself.
FireDrillem 5y ago
What difference does it make? I have way too many other interests to worry about who else she’s giving it to. When it’s my turn, I ride, otherwise, I stay busy on my mission.
If you’re “investing” in her, you’re wasting your resources.
Frenetic_Zetetic 5y ago
Great advice, but something feels "off" about even bothering with a bitch if you need to be checking her phone.
Perhaps I'm a bit more detached. To each their own.
Kobinks 5y ago
It’s more of a do it to any lass whether you trust her or not, trust but verify
Jikira 5y ago
It funny how much relationships are intertwined with cell phone usage in today’s culture. My cell phone broke and I didn’t have a cell phone for 8 months. My SO and I shared a phone during that time. Then I got a phone and my SO phone broke, so we shared my phone for another 6 months. Lol. Now we have our own cell phones and neither of us feel the need to check the others phone or hide. We also aren’t attached to social media other then reddit. We also have excess to each other computers, emails, and reddit. So.. Even though I have access to all of my SO technological things to my opinion. I never felt the need to check them. I honestly wouldn’t be with someone who I needed to check on like that either.
naIamgood 5y ago
I would not invade her privacy like that. Sorry but you should not get into a relationship if you don't want to waste your time, do the plate thing.
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Lateralanouncer 5y ago
I’m of the the view that if your investing more than other men have in her your are a simp. Enjoy your turn and don’t worry about it. If your in a LTR (she good in bed and you want to keep her around for a while) the key tracker is the way but this will only confirm she is messaging other men.
rorrr 5y ago
This is dumb and beta. If she wants to cheat, she can get a cheap second phone that's permanently on silent, and you will never know.
HerefortheTuna 5y ago
This girl I’ve been seeing has a phone for work. She rarely checks either phone when we are together but still it would be so easy for her to hide stuff since she has two different phones
friendandadvisor 5y ago
She CAN get a cheap second phone, but, let's be real...how many do?
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More importantly, don’t forget to check her medicine cabinets. This is even easier virtually impossible to fuck up. It should be a no brainer.
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
If this isn't side-barred, it should be.
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The_Chiselnator 5y ago
This cancer needs to stop on this forum. Every couple of posts is an asshole who now thinks he can modify TRP to suit his own neuroses and still remain redpilled.
You are not investing anything in a woman. You invest in yourself and become such a valuable man that SHE invests herself in you and not viceversa. You spend more time taking a shit than listening to her verbiage. Are you investing in shits now? You don't have to look at a woman's phone to know if she is cheating. That is beta as fuck and very needy. There are many overt signals she will give you if she is. She will disrespect you, she will shit test you relentlessly, she will be a sour cunt, she will deny you sex or it will be starfish duty sexy, she will go out partying with "the girls" or on vacations.......(hundreds of signs that have been discussed here since the beginning)
Listen, TRP is not for everyone. It is fucking hard work that never ends and results might take years to come. I can understand if you don't take the pill but don't fucking dilute it.
You should try the Purple Pill sub.
Kobinks 5y ago
I’m not diluting the pill, you’re missing the point entirely, the red pill stands as a foundation for male sexual strategy, everything here was at some point suggested by someone, it’s already been pointed out that this post is similar to the bitch management side bar material, it’s literally an opinion on something that’s red pill endorsed so calm the fuck down and stop white knighting...
Shit isn’t black and white mate
mickeyboots 5y ago
This is a dark road. I'm older than most of you young punks with several long term relationships under my belt.
You will never be around a woman 24/7. You will never hear all of her conversations. You will never read all of her messages. If she wants to fuck someone in the mall bathroom while you're out smoking a cigarette, you'll never know.
So you're afraid of being a cuck, eh? You already are one by living in perpetual fear of it. Your little rabbit hole will go deeper and deeper until you actually manifest what you've been looking for.
The foundation of a relationship is trust. You must reach a place where you can trust her not to be a liar, if she's deserving of that trust. And ultimately, you must trust the Universe/Creator/God. Otherwise you may find yourself to be living out a bad acid trip.
Don't check her phone if you don't trust her. Dump her instead.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Don’t invest don’t protect
Or invest from a place of abundance not from a place of scarcity.
temerity18 5y ago
I will not invade her privacy. But.... when I catch her invading mine I will grant myself permission to do likewise. And by violating my privacy she will lose such a giant number of points it is quite likely I would not want to feel her touch ever again.
abudun79 5y ago
Why not act like a woman? If they can do it, so can we!
And we have a good reason!!
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saltyafrican 5y ago
I know they would check my phone in an instant given the chance so why not return the favor? :)
2gudfou 5y ago
If she wants to fuck other guys without you knowing, she'll fuck other guys without you knowing. I say this as a guy who fucked my high school crush while her extremely redneck parents raised her to fear sex so she wouldn't do it among other crazy over protective measures. No amount of control can stop it, I just don't understand why that's so hard for some guys here to accept.
jackandjill22 5y ago
It won't be without you knowing. Unless she's attempting to finesse you by stringing you along, & pretending to keep a dead relationship alive for her personal benefit or you're a complete cucked moron.
Trenned_out 5y ago
You're completely right. But on the flip side, if this is happening you want to know so you cease investing in a woman who is cheating on you. Yes she can always do it if she wants, but personally I want to know so I don't make a fool of myself and lose valuable time and resources.
I will add the caveat that this shouldn't be taken to the extreme, like checking her phone constantly or something equally beta or time consuming.
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But she wouldn’t know that you are reading her texts... so in this case you would almost certainly catch her.
paniconomics 5y ago
I would fully expect any cheater to routinely delete their texts.
askmrcia 5y ago
I'd expect it but most are too stupid to do so.
They have fuckin apps where you can hide an entire text thread.
Seriously people have to be idiots to get caught cheating in today's world.
Just block a number from calling you and texting you for a certain amount of time. It literally takes 30 seconds to do so.
Kobinks 5y ago
That’s also merely another piece of the puzzle, if something that was there before is gone she’s deleting shit, so next her anyway
2gudfou 5y ago
you realize you can create a mobile number from a website right? That's just one work around I thought of off the top of my head, but you're kidding yourself if you think there's not a workaround for control measures like that. I've known enough cheaters who were in super controlling relationships to know it doesn't work, it just showcases your insecurity and makes it worse
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But again, she would have to know or suspect ahead of time that you were reading her texts in order to have the foresight to get the throwaway phone number.
2gudfou 5y ago
Well if she has no idea then what you do doesn't matter (maybe it just hurts your confidence), I was under the idea that any girl would know you are going through her phone if you're going through her phone.
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Seems like maybe you didn’t read the original post.
NormalAndy 5y ago
A good point. Her phone is the sum total of what she has been doing - and we should all observe what she is doing rather than listen to what she is saying.
A delicious irony that I should end up reading a phone for information.
burrrahhh 5y ago
Most beta post I've read here. Dont lie to yourself by saying that you value time, you are just insecure and these are the excuses you are telling yourself.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
I think that you're just posturing. You've read TRP and now you're flexing.
I'm of a like mind with the OP. If we have some sort of investment, and we KNOW, as we do, that there are interlopers just waiting to pounce, and we know, as we do, that AWALT, we should be on top of our game to see exactly where we stand. LTR's that fuck around on us are a liability, and a potential source for loss. A minute too long in a relationship with a whore is a minute lost.
onekokopo 5y ago
Having the wisdom to understand AWALT, and to be on top of the intel so that you can eject when need be is not beta, it’s smart.
Revo_Luzione 5y ago
I've been on both sides of this debate. With both of my recent LTRs, both wanted to generate trust and both voluntarily gave me, without asking, their phone and computer passcodes. With one, who was trustworthy and had deep one-itis for me, I never felt compelled to check her phone. It was obvious she was devotedly in love with me, so I never had issues. She was and is a great woman, and to this day is still a great friend, even though we knew we weren't cut out for each other long term.
With the other one, she had some shady habits and tendencies, and I definitely exercised my insurance policy on that one. Still, it was a waste of time and emotional energy, because I knew more or less what I would find, though thankfully none of it was as bad as it could have been. In the last few months of the relationship--I knew it was doomed and ended it--I didn't even bother checking, since it was irrelevant. Not checking at that point gave me peace of mind, since looking through her digital communications is in some ways just more emotional investment that I didn't care to give.
For a true, lasting LTR, deep transparency in communications is important, but for the best LTRs, you'll never feel like you need to check even though you could at any time.
I know several long-term happy couples in which total openness around digital communications creates trust. Plus if the man revokes that, it's an instant pathway to dread, a kind of nuclear option of last resort. On the flip side, if the woman revokes the communication openness, it's an instant, 100-foot tall red flag.
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
This.
LTRs are a different beast. I land on the check her phone side of the fence. Why? Simple. Investment requires audit. If there is incongruency I will find it.
Look at it like counter-intelligence. You have an unknown party that requires access to close hold information. Of fucking course you do your homework and keep a close eye on their behaviors and attitudes.
Never stop vetting. Once you're far enough along, you can straight up command her to surrender access to all her digital comms upfront. Any weasling on her end is grounds to end it. If she asks for yours? Tough. She doesn't like that? Next.
graystheday 5y ago
Dude, not to sound patronizing, but you need to renew your mindset. You're still harbouring a ton of resentment toward females, likely due to a strained relationship with your mother. Figure out what you need to on an emotional level, and drop this 'red pill' bullshit. I've read some of your past posts and you seem better than this. TRP may have been an adequate guiding point, but it's time to lose the training wheels and idiotic acronyms.
PS: 6'4; 215; 11% bf; better lifts all around. Also Indian (North) and 26yo. It's nice to think your attributes are what permit you your social status in this world, but this mindset does nothing more than foster attachment. When someone bigger, stronger, faster, smarter comes along, your world and everything in it loses its flavor. Read some Emerson and acquaint yourself with the idea of self-actualization so you can let go of having to lean on self-purported/societally-enforced standards.
trees_away 5y ago
I agree completely. I upgraded a plate to probationary bottom bitch recently, and she willingly gave me access to her phone so I could reply to the chicks we were trying to pull on Tinder. (She loves bringing me women to fuck)
Anyways, I used that as the way to discover something that I had suspected: she had sugar daddies. I confronted her without letting on how I knew, just telling her I needed her to choose to willingly tell me all her shit if she wanted to be more than just some chick I fuck. She told me everything. I was actually kinda impressed by how much she came clean.
Still don’t trust the bitch, but she gets to stay around a little longer.
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
Just cut her out. She is a literal whore.
trees_away 5y ago
Lol, most women are. Some are just more honest about it. I have zero issue with a woman selling her body for $$. She’s clean, gets tested regularly, and doesn’t have any issues sharing me. She’s fun to have around and brings me hot women to fuck. What do I give a shit if she leads on some beta bucks cuck who gives her $1300 a month for shit. She hasn’t even slept with him since Jan. Fakes having her period. He’s out of state, so she sees him like 4x a year. I have zero illusions that this is a thing more than a fun fling. As long as she’s honest with me, I don’t give a shit what she does. Not trying to LTR or wife her. As long as she’s not giving me an STD and continuing to be a submissive little slut for me, I don’t give a shit what she does when I’m not around.
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
Meh. Easy Come Easy Go vs. Ownership.
Two different mentalities. I like Owning my women.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Well, no. See your time is gone every second, and time spent with a woman is NOT an investment. There is no return to be had, no future payout. The relationship WILL end, sooner or later, have your life in order so that it doesn't matter.
She's not yours, it's just your turn, and she'll let you know when your turn is over: "I'm not in the mood" / "I'm not your whore" / "I don't like oral anymore".
jackandjill22 5y ago
This is true. This is why preferably time spent on (business/projects) should be prioritized because there's no return investment on dating/relationships. It's money dump. That's why the lifestyles easier because if you're spending money to "impress" girls then you're on a treadmill.
TrenGod37 5y ago
That’s not true for all women. My girl adds tons of value to my life. I have it set up that way.
I agree have your life set up so it doesn’t matter if she leaves. But if you’re dating a women she should be adding some type of value to your life other than sex otherwise why wouldn’t you just keep her as a plate.
banthrow 5y ago
Nobody discusses that. Problem is, all that value can and will be gone in an instant. It happened to all of us. You have to be prepared for that.
Youngyoda89 5y ago
Trengod? You’re back? Where were you brother?
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ApexmanRP 5y ago
"That’s not true for all women. My girl adds tons of value to my life."
If you feel that way, you need to work on yourself more. There is no woman that will ever add anywhere near the value to me that I give to her, because I am a high value man.
dryenz 5y ago
It means that he has ONEits, but he’s blinded, he even claims that she cooks for him and that is getting value from her, that’s wrong dude, a man is controlled by the woman who controls the kitchen too not only by the woman who controls the womb
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So, as a "High Value Man", what exactly are you giving to her? She can do without your thundercock or get it from the next Alpha. So what exactly is it that you are doing to give her such value?
ApexmanRP 5y ago
Any truly high value man wouldn't need to ask that question.
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Deflection is not substantiation. Simply stating "I am the prize" does not make it inherently true. There will be women who will next you without regret if you are not truly, "the prize".
ApexmanRP 5y ago
"Simply stating "I am the prize" does not make it inherently true."
That is true, I agree. That is why I have built the life I want and that, with the elements that come with it - success, confidence, social proof, and an interesting life, make me the prize.
Of course women will come and go, but we already know that don't we?
TrenGod37 5y ago
No one said she adds more. But she is more than just sex and is definitely an asset
ApexmanRP 5y ago
And I didn't say she was only just sex.
She isn't an asset (in the true sense of the word) she is a trinket, to be admired and played with. But as with all trinkets, one day she will lose her shine, or break, or end up in someones elses pocket.
kiwiMAGA 5y ago
She isn't an asset...?
You can marry more money than you'll ever earn in a lifetime.
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TrenGod37 5y ago
Asset: a useful or valuable thing, person, or quality
Yes. For now, She is an asset
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Be careful, you might get banned for saying that
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
This is great to hear... what value does she add?
I enjoy my time with girls..... but they don't benefit me beyond that.
TrenGod37 5y ago
She does my laundry. She cooks for me. She pays for shit. She buys shit for my place. She does a lot of shit to support my mission and make my life a lot easier. And that’s just what I can think of right off the top. I been with plenty of women who didn’t add much value but I only had sexual relationship with them. I date her because she add much more than that
Aufbruch 5y ago
What's this "mission" of yours?
buntownik 5y ago
His lifegoals or smth like that i guess.
Aufbruch 5y ago
Whatever gets you out of bed in the morning, I guess....
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LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
For me, they cook for me thus saving me time on meal preps- I get to do other more important things.
Same for cleaning, save valuable time.
Plus I date super submissive girls, so they give instant sex on command no shit tests.
And finally my niche are artsy creative nerd girls, so they draw paint, or join me and help in my artistic pursuits.
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badgerninjacow 5y ago
Putting morality and obvious boundary setting issues aside for a moment, not being able to “help yourself” go through her messages seems like a catastrophic failure of frame - to yourself.
You’re basically reinforcing the notion that whatever bullshit she’s chatting about to friends, co-workers and potential branch swings is important enough for you to want (no, NEED) to control and police. That sends a bad message to yourself. It’s needy to the extreme.
Personally, I just don’t care enough to be bothered.
[deleted] 5y ago
if you give two fucks what's on her phone you're doing everything wrong. you care more than she does. you lose.
"trust but verify" is fucking mate guarding fucking faggot pussy bullshit
intensitythatheals1 5y ago
Checking the phone reveals insecurity. A giant problem. If you think she would disrespect you it is because you know she isn't worth the trouble. Let alone the investment, by the way you don't invest anything you just have fun or not. And the best way to make sure she is someone good for you is make sure the sex for her is mind-blowing but is that too much to ask for today's modern man? I would not do that. Period. It is pathetic. And another reason why women dislike guys who spy on her phone.
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It doesn’t reveal anything because she doesn’t know that you’re checking.
intensitythatheals1 5y ago
You should not check. Period. I don't care she never knows. Either you are a man,confident and secure or you are a creep nice guy who is throwing a tantrum because "my girlfriend spends so much time on social media or hanging out with friends" Let's see what she is really doing. Insecure. The image you reveal to others is the actual secure confident man. Not this one. Oh I'm so cool I spy on my girlfriend. And what do you see? Yes she is cheating on you for reasons you already know. Sex is lane and boring and you are an insecure baby. If you think you are cool and smart and you wont reveal a thing you are wrong. If you think she is cheating then you show to her neediness and clinginess already before you check her phone. Then it is obvious she needs a man who trusts her and not a teenager who tries to own her like a property.
My two cents man. And look. Post was removed.
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Trenned_out 5y ago
This is an extremely black or white assesment. Clearly you understand the red pill beyond the "beta vs alpha" guys. But at the same time fall to the same line of thinking that it's either or.
I agree with you that ideally you're so alpha you never have to check and don't care. But no matter how alpha you are, if you chose to have an LTR you WILL care what she does to some extent. I have been in a one sided (my side duh) open LTR and still on (admittently rare) occasion checked her phone. Never saw anything worse than her telling a friend that she saw a cute guy once at the gym lol. And it made me chuckle because I know purely based on odds I'm much taller and more muscular than said guy.
I feel like there is alway something like I found, no matter how Chad Thundercock you are. But the real test is how you deal with it. And if you are investing in a woman, you will care about what she's doing. That is actually logical. If you are checkign up on a plate like this, sure you don't get women. But if you are considering a true investment (yes there is a big debate here if that's worth it in modern society, but for the sake of argument leave that side) then you want to know the truth about your woman, not just what she shows you.
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luczaki11489 5y ago
From reading this sub, i understand that she probably has orbiters. Always and forever. Reading what she is up to is really none of my concern. Shes playing her field just as much as I am mine.
Maybe you want an ltr so things are a bit different. But if not i wouldnt do that. Its my job as a dude to keep myself high value to myself so that I am simply the best option. If shes fucking around with some other dude, thats fine by me, shes a plate anyways. AWALT.
hiddenpleasures123 5y ago
This is an invasion of someone's personal boundaries and privacy. How would you feel if someone went through your shit? Infact, I need to see your computer history and usage just to make sure you are who you say you are.
You're not in tune with your girl if you don't know when she's fucking around and have to check her phone. On top of this, do you really think she ain't gonna hide that shit? Women are cunning and clever when it comes to lying and being a secretive ho.
SheepWaker 5y ago
Imagine her giving out your imei number to her clients. Thus making it easier to troll her and them for your personal amusement. While covertly doing whatever the fuck you want...
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Yes, but, you should understand, nobody here gives a fuck if you are satisfied with our identification. We DO, however care if an LTR is fucking around on us. The outward branch swinging in it's initial phase can sometimes be ambiguous, and checking a phone can save us...time, as the OP points out.
hiddenpleasures123 5y ago
You sound obsessed with chicks dude. I can see it now, you checking her phone and making a big deal out of everything and overanalyzing.
You really honestly think you'll catch a girl fucking around on you thru her phone? I guarantee you won't find anything she doesn't want you to. Stop being big brother and enjoy your turn with her.
It's not insurance... it's sick. It's a form of obsessive behaviour and stalking(Don't think so? Spend some time educating yourself and look it the fuck up).
This subreddit is really getting more and more insecure betas on here.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
You throw around phrases such as "this subreddit...insecure betas..." because you read it on this sub, you have no idea of what this sub is about.
Stay off it until you get past your Pop Psychology SJW phase. Understand that spouting TRP phrases, out of context, will lead you to the same place that an actual BP plan of action will.
hiddenpleasures123 5y ago
I DO have an idea what this sub is about. I will continue to disagree with this method of "stalking". I've seen this topic discussed on here multiple times and people even suggesting spy software. Nope, it crosses a line.
Kobinks 5y ago
TRP is amoral, deal with it
This shits an easy insurance policy
zuhbooze 5y ago
Agreed, however there's better ways to go about "auditing" her and her phone. Secretly snooping in someone's personal property is something I just don't do. If I'm to the point where I feel obligated or needing to visually look through her phone, it's a hard next from me, because my time IS that valuable.
Tell her you need to use her phone (yours is in the car or dead) to either make a call or "Google" something (pick something retarded, like the weather) and base your audit off her reaction. If she's hiding shit, she will question you, look it up for you, be hesitant to fork over the phone or stand by you while using her phone. From there you don't even need to physically see what kind of dumb shit is on her phone, she just did the work for you.
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hiddenpleasures123 5y ago
Whatever. You're obsessed with your girl.
LotBuilder 5y ago
They are all over the map but you will always be surprised. One watched a lot of Girl on Girl porn so I knew it would be easy to push a 3 some. She was one of the innocent ones
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Kobinks 5y ago
we say AWALT for a reason, the vast majority of women are always going to display hypergamy, branch swinging and other bullshit behaviours that are going to be a deal breaker in most people’s book.
It really depends where you draw your boundary’s and how you implement them, for my early relationships I usually got 6-12 months of goodish behaviour (a few orbiters here and there but not much flirting) after that they started toeing the line and seeing what they could get away with, usually around the 12-18 month mark I’d get bored of them and moved onto the next one.
I’d say out of those early days 80-90% we’re crossing some boundary or another.
Fast forward to today and I run the whole thing a little differently.
Orbiters are a necessary evil I hear people say, yeah nah mate
I now frame my relationships as much more dominant ,I take a nice looking girl and break her until she’s completely emotionally reliant on me then it’s a matter of it’s my way or the highway.
Since I’ve started doing this we have a grand total of zero orbiters, zero 1 on 1 male interactions, zero hypergamy, zero bullshit
So what I will say is I think the vast majority of women will display this behaviour if you give them the chance, if you’re high value enough and put in the work to isolate and train her then as far as I can tell most of the bullshit can be avoided, it’s far from fool proof though
garbagejooce 5y ago
Can you elaborate on the most important aspects of breaking them in?
couid 5y ago
This would make a valuable submission itself. How to train your plates.
Kobinks 5y ago
It seems a few of you want this, I’ll write a post on the subject to be released at the weekend, stay tuned
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PeterPansSyndrome 5y ago
Most definitely. I see a lot about breaking a girl in BDSM communities but most don't have actionable advice about doing so. Making a girl emotional reliant is something I look forward to.
couid 5y ago
Excellent - looking forward to it. Much appreciated.
trppr 5y ago
Can you elaborate more on how you are training them to behave.
Kobinks 5y ago
i’ll Answer your question when I finish work mate
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AceMav21 5y ago
I know what it’s like to have an IQ in the top 2% of the population. What’s it like having SMV that high? I’ve got potential to get to that level, lifting, financials, charisma, got a chiseled ass face. Only short coming is being 5’8 can’t change that.
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
Behavioral cues trump genetic cues six ways from Sunday.
MyReddit6 5y ago
Didn't stop Tom Cruise and he's shorter than you brah
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Eh, this crosses my personal moral compass but I'm not going to make a scene about that since, afterall, this sub is amoral.
I think if you check phones, you are investing more of your mental gas tank's resources to a pointless void that could have been spent on your mission.
But, you can do whatever you'd like, as long as you understand the underlying rules. Take my upvote for a well constructed post.
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This immediately sparks red flags for me as well, but shit I don’t even know what I believe anymore. Maybe it’s not wrong to do given that there are now literally no external checks on her ability to fuck around.
Aufbruch 5y ago
Part of loving someone is giving them the ability to hurt you. It's just how it is....
ploppylumpkins 5y ago
Ok I will take that as true. However given the right circumstances wouldn’t the 20% bang other dudes or is the guilt that powerful? Also you are talking about anti slut defense, correct?
TheTrenTrannyTrain 5y ago
I don't believe women can feel guilty at all. What you might call "guilt" is just their fear of losing what's best for a woman's hypergamy.
OversizedFish 5y ago
Woman can feel guilt. Women are just experts at the mental gymnastics required to justify things that would normally make someone feel guilty.
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Revo_Luzione 5y ago
They typically feel guilty for getting caught, at least for non-psychopathic women, for minor offenses.
Bigger offenses may generate guilt even if they're not caught.
I've known some very promiscuous, narcissistic women who still have some conscientousness around morality.
The most LTR-worthy women actively seek to generate trust in the relationship and voluntarily communicate the things that could be potential relationship hazards.
TheTrenTrannyTrain 5y ago
But is it really guilt if they can simply hamster it away and never learn anything from it?
Sort of like a philosophical question, like if a tree falls does it make a sound.
5JS1XBG64A 5y ago
I assume this is only for LTRs or potential LTRs? Doesn't seem to be much of a need for this as far as plates go, as there is no real expectation of exclusivity.
Trenned_out 5y ago
Yes exactly. When it comes to an LTR this stuff makes more sense. If it's a plate... well then son you arent close to swallowing the pill.
Unfortunately LTR's can do the same shit plates can no matter how hard you screen. I just mean that this level of caring or investment isn't warranted outside of an LTR
5JS1XBG64A 5y ago
Yep, that was exactly what I was thinking.
Kobinks 5y ago
Yeah if we ain’t exclusive I don’t really care what she does as long as I don’t catch anything off her
LotBuilder 5y ago
I’m in a slightly different situation than most of y’all as I am 40 and have a 7 figure divorce in my recent rear view mirror. If I were young and relatively broke I wouldn’t GAF. Now, I need to know what her motives are how much effort, if any, to give.
I have a key logger on my Lap top and eventually they need to use it for something they can’t do on their phone. Then I have their iCloud login and can see whatever you want to see at anytime. The unfiltered look into a girls mind is very interesting the first few times you do it. It doesn’t take much time, I do not obsess about it. It’s saved me a bunch of headaches.
Laratogay 5y ago
you cant view there texts with just icloud?
LotBuilder 5y ago
You can but the keylogger gets you more info like email passwords, WhatsApp info, facebook messenger, dating sites, google voice,etc. text messages are great source but sometimes they use different stuff.
Laratogay 5y ago
Late response, but i just tried this and this is all i see
https://imgur.com/a/GM2XMfg
LotBuilder 5y ago
Through ICloud you mirror it through another apple device. My texts come to my phone and iPad
Laratogay 5y ago
Oh so i need another apple device and login, so the accounts logged in multiple devices.
I was doing it through browser, seems too much hassle tbh.
theonlyladyhere 5y ago
so Step One: Do not date girls with androids.
LotBuilder 5y ago
I am willing to bet STD rates are 50% higher in girls with androids with cracked screens. Same stat holds true for thumb rings.
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TheReformist94 5y ago
Haha.i thought TRP said women valued commitment. Look at the lengths emen are going to to attain it from women. Face it,if women have a fuck about commitment these posts wouldn't be appearing and the red pill would not be hard to digest.
Women may have needed commitment,but they never wanted it
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
They want commitment from men, they just don't want to give it to men.
Gotta keep those options open in case there's a better branch to swing to.
Govedo13 5y ago
Can you PM me the the name of the keylogger thing?
Thank you.
richpianoo 5y ago
Can you give me the name too thanks
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Revo_Luzione 5y ago
This is an interesting strategy, one I've considered but not pursued, for several reasons, namely the following:
Two-factor authentication, now pretty standard, means that she'll get a notification on her phone for a new login attempt. Yes, this can be disabled with access to the phone. This also may generate a notification email to the account holder if that's set up. Apple has really stepped up their security game following the Fappening and other high profile "hacks," which were probably just sloppy infosec practices on the account holder's part.
I will say that if she goes to great lengths to lock down her digital communications, it's already a red flag, and you can assume that something rotten is afoot.
As I said in another reply to this thread, the best LTRs volunteer this info anyway because most people know that transparency is the only path to real trust, and real trust can't be faked.
chrisname 5y ago
I think you have to explicitly enable 2FA on iCloud, most people probably haven't bothered. Use a VPN server in Nigeria anyway and worst case scenario she thinks it's just some third world chancer.
Ganaria_Gente 5y ago
7 figures..... Mother of God
She really stuck gold sadly
Reformed65 5y ago
How can you live knowing that much is being taken away? If I was in that situation, I'd give the court the finger and move to South America.
AllahHatesFags 5y ago
Belize has no extradition to the United States.
Reformed65 5y ago
Oh I'm from the UK and we have an extradiction treaty with Belize, I'm actually suprised at the amount of South American countries that have an extradiction treaty with the UK.
I could go to my country of origin, Pakistan- which for some reason the UK doesn't have an extradition with- and be one of the many Pakis and Indians which rely on freelancing websites for their income, where £1 can buy you a week's supply of food and shelter (probably) given how devalued our currency is.
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ploppylumpkins 5y ago
I agree. Another thing is if you believe AWALT is true you know she is banging around anyway no matter how chadly you are, right? Or am I wrong?
LotBuilder 5y ago
80/20. The other 20% would but they have guilt so they just tease a bunch of guys. 100% of them are Keeping multiple guys on the back burner.
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I understand your logic. My question is what happens if you get caught? How would you handle it?
Kobinks 5y ago
My recommendation would be don’t...
If I did though I’d tell her I was going to put a picture of my dick as her wallpaper or something else utterly ridiculous with a cheeky smirk
TheTrenTrannyTrain 5y ago
So how do you do it covertly? Women have their phones on their person all the time, not to mention most will die before they give you their passwords.
Kobinks 5y ago
Bit of CIA intelligence work mate, have a sneaky look when she types it in and nab the bastard while she’s asleep
TheTrenTrannyTrain 5y ago
Ah, definitely a bit more work with LTR.
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
"Trust, but verify."
Classic method of bitch control and relationship management, alla the side bar.
But who reads that anymore?
Good post.
ApexmanRP 5y ago
"Trust, but verify."
Yes, get what you are saying. I prefer to verify through behavior.. is she swallowing my cum? Is she taking it wherever and whenever? Is she doing nice little things for me?
Yes, then we are all good.. No, then start looking for other signs.
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
Just cus she happily gargles your cum doesn't mean it's ONLY your cum
ApexmanRP 5y ago
Dude, you haven't tasted my cum.. ambrosia..
Witch-Doctor 5y ago
Why do they make the sidebar so weird to find though, it should be much simpler I feel
onekokopo 5y ago
I still don’t know what/where the sidebar is.
Does it exist on mobile Reddit? iOS?
Witch-Doctor 5y ago
Yes it does. On the main page of the red pill sub reddit click the 3 horizontal dots in the top right hand corner then click “community info” it’s weird as fuck man. Hope that worked for you
onekokopo 5y ago
Whoa, yeah, I would have never found that without you. Thank you dude
Kobinks 5y ago
if we can’t take the new guys to the side bar then we may as well take the side bar to the new guys
DxSwoliosis 5y ago
We appreciate it. I only skimmed some of it tbqh. I missed this one.
brownsdown 5y ago
Good argument. This is one of my issues. We have been together a few months, she is passed out cold, her phone is sitting right there, and I just can’t help myself. No matter how many time I repeat the mantra of don’t dig through the garbage can, your only going to find garbage. But my time is precious also.
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Don’t people password protect...?
Fuck_You_Pay_moi 5y ago
Plot twist she doesn’t even know who you are ????
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