Summary: The Swedish government has implemented new sexual consent laws that have raised eyebrows around the world for both their vagueness and impracticality. The laws effectively criminalise all sexual contact where explicit consent is not clearly given at every stage of the process, even between spouses. The most controversial element of the new legislation is criminalisation of the 'Risk that the partner might have not been consenting', thereby removing the possibility of defence on the basis of fair misunderstanding.
Link: https://culturalanalysis.net/2017/12/22/castration-odin-new-sexual-consent-legislation-sweden/
Lessons Learned:
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Sex with a sleeping partner in Sweden is now a crime (even if he or she likes it)
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If you don't get explicit consent at "every stage of sexual encounter" (as vague as that sounds), even if your partner likes it at the time, if she ever changes her mind in the future that the sex was non-consensual, then you are presumed guilty of Negligent Rape.
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The new law does not affect violent rapists (it may even encourage it)
- Don't have sex in Sweden! Ever.
UPDATE 28.03.2018. According to The Reykjavik Grapevine, Iceland’s Parliament unanimously passed landmark law on Sexual Consent, “putting the onus of consent on being told Yes; rather than not being told No”. “There must be no question that you have consent”. MP Jón Steindór Valdimarsson, the primary advocate for the new law, stressed that “agreeing to have sex when someone is heavily intoxicated is not consent”. It follows that, as of now, sex between ostensibly consenting but intoxicated adults in Iceland amounts to mutual rape. According to Iceland Review, the offence carries maximum penalty of 16 years of imprisonment.
SKRedPill 5y ago
Speaking of Sweden, just read this a couple of times : https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-human-cost-of-swedens-welfare-state-1531346908?mod=e2fb
Dear Lord, it's as clear as crystal.
AWALT will be AWALT and solipsism will be solipsism and greed will be greed and eternal dissatisfaction will be eternal dissatisfaction. I even theorize now that women's hypergamy when let loose is the reason why they're never happy - they're always looking elsewhere for that fairy tale like the moon, instead of bringing abundance to the table like the sun. That means women are predisposed to suffer from dissatisfaction when faced with life.
This whole women are unhappy is yet another shit test as much as it is a genuine symptom of an eternal problem. I've never seen women at any point in history be content and not have complained about how bad life is for women.
And notice how there isn't even a mention of the word "men" in there? Motherhood is outsourced, and fatherhood is disposable.
Feminized societies are all welfare states without exception AFAIK. Says a lot about how deep rooted gender is.
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McVaghunter 6y ago
How the fuck are these motherfuckers supposed to reproduce? They're doomed, in a couple years there won't be any swedes lefts on earth. Oh well, nothing of a value will be lost.
rooster-one4 6y ago
Well I'm guessing we're going to see a flood of swedish sex tapes, released only to prove their innocence prior to being accused.
82ndAirborne68W 6y ago
Just pretend to be a refugee.
sqerl 6y ago
"Mutual rape"... let's all watch the guy serve his 16 years and the woman walk free after an enthusiastic sex session with the prosecutor.
Tito312 6y ago
Especially since you have proof of this happening. Oh wait, YOU DON'T
slapgentle 6y ago
Calm the fuck down. I live in Sweden. OP and all the Betas in the comments here are overreacting with the "Don’t have sex in Sweden! Ever” bullshit. Me and my friends pull new girls frequently here. You are not Azis Ansari, so that kind of shit aint gonna happen to you. Just make her wet and don’t be a creep. It’s not that hard.
yomo86 6y ago
Political correctness can only be outmaneuvered by more even more ludicrous pc. So you claim you are a muslim a group higher on the victim totem pole than women.
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Tito312 6y ago
So to summarize, the Swedish court system is overflowing with rapists. Oh, wait, no it's not because they decide their own laws to work better for them in their own country. I bet the OP is not Swedish.
WorthlessDrugAbuser 6y ago
Honey I’m going to insert my penis into your vagina, do you consent? I’m now going to remove my penis from your vagina, do you consent? Okay I’m reentering your vagina you still consent right? I’m gonna leave it inside you for fifteen seconds now because I’m about to ejaculate, make sure you speak up if you no longer consent during the process.
rmbarnes 6y ago
This is fucking mental.
Thing is, I can see it coming to other western countries soon. People will point to Sweden as leading the way.
The thing is that this doesn't stop rape, it actually increases the amount of rape by expanding the definition of rape.
I'll be interested to see the equality aspect of this. For example a man is accused of rape because he didn't get explicit consent, but then counter accuses because during the interaction she grabbed his junk without asking first. And a man and women both standing trial for having sex because they were both drunk.
Seriously mental.
Tito312 6y ago
Care to prove what you said with even the slightest bit of actual evidence, other than "I believe it so it must be true?"
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anonlymouse 6y ago
Interesting if they'll actually apply it in that fashion.
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
The objective here is to make men guilty for sex and women never responsible. She doesn't even have to say "no" any more. Men are responsible for a woman's feelings after sex indefinitely. Make her feel bad (eg not marrying her) and you go to jail.
[deleted] 6y ago
This is not true. No new law has been implimented, it is a proposal. And if it gets approved it will be implimented juli 1 2018
Monky11 6y ago
You are technically correct. It will come into force 1st of July, but the vote is now a mere formality after there is a clear parliamentary support for the changes. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sweden-sexcrimes/sweden-to-tighten-rape-legislation-outlawing-non-consensual-sex-idUSKBN1GW2C4
[deleted] 6y ago
Do you live in Sweden? I do. And I see no indication that there is a big parliamentary support for this proposal. Even the advokat samfund (the Swedish equivalent of the Bar) have said they are opposed to this change and it will not help to catch more rapists
Monky11 6y ago
I have discussed this matter with the Swedish ministry of Justice and have tried to expose its absurdity to them, but at some point they stopped responding. I am not in Sweden so I rely only on media sources and pesosnal communications to assess the matter.
I hope you’re right. Let’s wait a few weeks and it will decided. Good luck.
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If it gets approved what should I do? Monk mode until I move out?
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Generally speaking this is a horrible idea. While guys may welcome being woken up with a blowjob, a buddy of mine thought it's be "cool" to start having sex with her while she was asleep.
She freaked out. I mean "threatened to call the police"-level freaked out, because she woke up terrified that she was being raped. And this was in the 90s when shit wasn't nearly as retarded as now.
So yeah, dumb idea.
sadomasochrist 6y ago
Not all women are headcases. It's a rule in our house, it's not rape, it's just polite. But yeah, to try that without clearing it ahead of time is... special.
I mean conceptually it's simple. Implied consent is the foundation of actual sex. Someone unconscious can't even give that. So your consent has to be handled up front explicitly, since she can't "seductively snore."
Just have her give you an all holes any time rule. If you can't get that, then you're so deep into provider territory that you should get your own bank logo.
I will never in my life again associate with any woman that believes anything other than her body is mine. Not only is anything between that legally and logistically not worth the effort, such a thing is just correct on a sexually spiritual level.
DayGameChirality 6y ago
This is so right! Every word. Only sex where her body belongs to me has meaning and sense to it. Anything else I'm not interested in and couldn't understand why would anyone settle on such bullshit
Monky11 6y ago
I was with women who loved to wake up that way. They would expect it. But even in this case this would be now too risky in Sweden. What if today she changed her mind.... or what if she didn’t but later said so after we separated, because she was feeling rejected and angry.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
That's fine, but among women I've polled (and women I've poled), the nearly universal view was: not cool.
DayGameChirality 6y ago
Anegdotally, my woman likes it, but only because she considers her body to be my property. Any possible harm done to her is talked about after it is done. Despite that, with the mindset that the body is mine, very rarely does she feel harmed by me.
In short, she enjoys free use.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
That's fine, but that isn't typical.
arbiter691 6y ago
Welp i live here, we have the shittiest fucking politics i've ever seen
2comment 6y ago
I'm sorry, but you misspelled the People's Islamic Republic of Cuckistan.
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Pdd3 6y ago
Letting women vote and guys being passive
[deleted] 6y ago
The "stultification" of everything public as women became "customers" (and voters: politics customers) prognosticated in The Manipulated Man.
THEnimble_mongoose 6y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw
RP_Br3 6y ago
While we don't have a lot of corruption in terms of companies getting preferences, we do have a lot of play within certain parties. The Social Democrats chose a guy to lead the police despite no previous knowledge on the subject (surprise, it failed), and he did such a bad job that he was by pretty much everyone known as being incompetent and the people wanted him gone. For example he made the police give out bracelets that said something like "Don't sexually assault me" to women. When he was kicked of his post he got another top position in another governmental authority.
saibot83 6y ago
That guy is just a tool. He's appointed to these positions to go in and dismantle them. All according to Reinfeldts credo.
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pohlrich 6y ago
"Brock Turner was caught by two Stanford international students from Sweden."
Swedish students who probably couldn't tell the difference between an unconcious woman being raped and a drunken girl who lured Brock away from the party for secret sex so her boyfriend didn't find out.
derpderp5000 6y ago
Do u know what his handle is? Would like to watch.
THEnimble_mongoose 6y ago
Scary. That's exactly what's been happening in schools in America for the past 20 years or so. Why are we adopting the failed Euro-gameplan? It's a model proven to lead to societal collapse.
It's also funny how hard Sweden are now virtue signalling considering they are the racist eugenics capital of the first half of the 20th century.
FlamingAmmosexual 6y ago
Not to mention they're the rape capital of the western world. They're getting close to South African numbers if they keep it up.
MientrasQuien 6y ago
The common denominator between the leftist virtue signaling and the eugenics is all the good little citizens surrendering their freedom to the state.
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The question "why" still stands. Why was that point reached?
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MientrasQuien 6y ago
Take notes. Document the madness.
If Sweden goes the way most people here believe it will your observations of living through the self destruction of an advanced society will be a golden ticket.
You're obviously clued in to the processes involved here and feel strongly about this. So I suggest you do us all a favor and begin writing a book or putting together a documentary.
But the way the world is right now, I'd recommend doing it quietly and privately. Wait for the right moment.
I suppose that would be after some criminal or societal catastrophe when even strident left wingers begin bashfully admitting they may (may!) have made a mistake and start writing articles asking what went wrong, where do we go from here or talking about re-adjusting, reconceptualizing or rebooting their fucking demented social policies. You'll have a answer for them sitting on your hard drive ready to publish. And the rest of the world will be very interested to read/watch what you've made.
Just my two cents.
FlamingAmmosexual 6y ago
Reminds me of the story from Sweden about the music concert. A bunch of immigrants raped and assaulted some women so they decided to make the women wear bracelets that said "don't rape" and then made female only concerts.
RPAlias 6y ago
Thank you! Great comment, well written summary.
MoDuReddit 6y ago
Laughs in a sunny beach after a swim in the ocean and not dying of hypothermia
mynameisfrankfurter 6y ago
Thanks for sharing your explanation. It was insightful. All I can say, is men in Sweden should be made aware of their loss of rights and the next time you get into a voting booth (alone and with privacy- hopefully). I hope you guys enact change- it is desperately needed.
hawkeaglejesus 6y ago
Great example of "equality" at work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoqXLbchg6Y - 3 female cops can't take down 1 suspect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31tNdyhB5xI - Male cop takes down 2 guys by himself
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Merit and skill -> comfortable life; comfortable life -> virtue signalling & narcissism (disguised as humbleness and self-effacement, as it must be) -> virtue signalling spyraling out or control — because, once you start signaling races for status what will stop them?
Thanks for your post's length
That's about everywhere the democratic word, and now too in the (democratic) Internet social media reached world. Because those illusions are what the masses lust for. And elites have learned that feelings of inferiority not appeased with illusions may lead to violent social breakdown (think past "revolutions"), while granting a shot of ego-validation to each of the billions through illusion-peddling Facebook channels, feel-good "scientific" features and so on is working wonders in keeping the world population at rest and peaceful. It's what people want.
MientrasQuien 6y ago
"Illusion is the Ultimate Weapon" - Matt Tracker M.A.S.K. manifesto.
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THEnimble_mongoose 6y ago
panem et circenses
SKRedPill 6y ago
Men forgot at some point that only they can create their own power -- much to the shame of their ancestors, who actually had the balls to wield it.
Oh and they failed the feminism shit test epically.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/dear-future-husband-please-dont-judge-me-for-these-7-things/my-past-relationships/photostory/61849207.cms
MoDuReddit 6y ago
Just those headlines are atrocious: "please don't blame me for: past relationships, physical and mental status". Absolutely zero accountability wish fulfillment.
SKRedPill 6y ago
Now that I am getting TRP, it's such a shit test + hamstering at work. And it's not just about "Listen to what they do, not what they say" it's also "See who they are and AWALT"
Reply to the title "Please don't judge me" :- "Oh yes, now that you said it, I will...."
Translation : "Experiences. Plural! I spent my 20s getting slayed by alphas. Now I understand I need a good beta bucks to settle with. Plus, please open up and tell me how many girls you slept with....
Hamster spinning at 25 mph juggling it's persuasive wheels.
Pay attention to what they do, not what they say, because that IS what decides character. Oh and she's telling you not to pay attention to what she does...
How to reply : "Where's your boyfriend now? Wait, why should I stay away, do you have an STD?" or : "Ok, better I stay away as you said..."
Translation :- I flirt with my exes and a lot of men online. Betatization process Stage #5.
Most men handle their in laws much more gracefully. Let me not get started on mother in law issues. Not a word about how I'll help your family?
Me : Ok, thank goodness, see, my tire went flat last night. Go fix it. I'm not marrying a girl who can't fix tires.... (Lol!)
Translation :- My money is my money and your money is my money. And you should be grateful I made you richer, so I'll spend as I like -- Oh, and I want an expensive joint mortgage, for which I'll relieve some of your financial burden. And I'll make all the decisions on the house....
Translation : I work late, and sleep till mid afternoon.... and maybe while I'm with that cute co-worker after work, you can do the dishes. Again no word of what she'll do.
It's a red flag that a woman needs to market this much in the first place. I mean, the other day a cute 18 year old actress from that country just had to wink at the camera and millions of guys went crazy and broke the internet.
nochilifordinner 6y ago
Damn dude, you're reading way too much into that.
SKRedPill 6y ago
Ok, I'm new to TRP, got struck by the bolt of lightning, got disrespected and abused enough that I ended a sexless marriage, just getting past the anger phase, reading the sidebar, internalizing and all. But at last I get it now.
I can't believe I used to accept stuff like this as 'they mean what they say' or 'conservative' or 'sexist' or all that crap. Now that my eyes are opening, it's blatantly obvious. I see stuff like this being told to guys my age looking for girls to settle down with in my country all the time. I've seen them all get turned into 'pets' in public -- and those aren't even feminist girls, just girls with regular ambitions. I've been there myself, only walking on landmines, seeing what BPD is like in person, the taste of disrespect, the loss of frame, the inability to even move a muscle without permission...
I've weaned off social media now and trimmed the TV and work out now. Never felt so good or slept so well in years. Then yesterday this shows up in my FB. A dozen of my guy friends liked it, a few others saw it as 'western bullshit'. For me, I can see right through it.
A woman attracted to you is a whole other animal from one who isn't. Emotion is that powerful.
[deleted] 6y ago
Is this serious?
Sweden is on my travel list. I hear their women are laid back.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
I mean with all the issues it currently faces (complete feminist government being one of them) you have to hand it to them, they sure know how to keep their cool
Monky11 6y ago
From people who went there I hear they are cold, boring. But they do (did?) have a thing for dark skin, although that was before the recent migration wave from the Mid East and all that came with it.
anonswede 6y ago
Very hard to cold approach, but once you get in they can be pretty great.
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If you want easy hot blondes hit Australia or Czech
Lavlamp 6y ago
I've met a lot of women from different countries while backpacking. As a Canadian male I definitely found Aussie chick's kept up the best. They always loved to have a good time, and let their wild feminine sides out often.
zyqkvx 6y ago
In a different post a guy described Aussie women as crazy drug users that get too much sun so they look 10 years older then they are at most ages. I'm unclear if that's a fair general stereotype.
golfwang92 6y ago
Aussie here.. can confirm. some are decent but most tend to act way too much like guys, i imagine its the same in the US and the UK.. European women are a breath of fresh air over here.
Lavlamp 6y ago
Definitely too broad of a stereotype. It would be like saying all American girls are fat cheese burger eating lazy cunts.
Buuuut.. To be fair that kinda fits the last two I met, though they were still hot as fuck and made for great company through Cambodia.
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Not really, in my experience I've seen more girls that look like this or Samara Weaving, but it depends on where you're at, in San Diego and LA there were plenty that fit the drugged out, beach bum, amateur porn star, but that's common in Cali. If you want actual attractive Australian women, Perth, Melbourne, Sydney are all great and easier than sin for built foreigners.
geo_gan 6y ago
That link was more like the ex Home & Away / Neighbours cast list there... and if we are going to do that then where is Rebekah Elmaloglou - she was always my favourite and automatic hard-on in the 80s Home & Away.
kyledontcare 6y ago
If I was a guy in Sweden I'd move somewhere abroad. And fast.
saibot83 6y ago
I give it until this upcoming election. If nothing changes (and it fucking desperately needs to!) I'm starting to plan an exit within the next 10 years. It's been upside down bizarro-world for quite some time now. The older I get the less stamina I have for bullshit.
Entropy-7 6y ago
There was a time when a reasonable doubt was what you needed to not get convicted.
mattizie 6y ago
Until there is a military coup, and the country plunges into civil war, I couldn't care less about what happens to Sweden! (YES).
If there were any men in that country, they would have shot the politicians by now.
PM_ME_SOME_NATURE 6y ago
I can see sex contracts taking off in Sweden.
LexGrom 6y ago
Cherry 2000 + sexual emergency ghettos. Here we go. Stay frosty
SKRedPill 6y ago
Once upon a time, there was something called 'marriage' ....
LexGrom 6y ago
Doesn't work in prosperous societies. Artificial procreation will
PeterJohn72 6y ago
A sex contract cannot work. It only establishes consent at the time of the contract signing, not at every stage of sexual encounter.
redpillschool Admin 6y ago
And no proof that it wasn't under duress or intoxicated. Imagine, two drinks at the bar and then back home for sexy contract times. She says she's fine, but now the contract is invalid because she can't tell you she's fine... you have to be able to read minds.
TacoMedic 6y ago
Lay it out before hand then, I guess? Have her sign it before you go to the next position? Like fuck, what the hell can men do at this point??
shaggyctes88 6y ago
Switch nationalities will do for now...
Troll_Name 6y ago
Nothing, that's the point.
We've already shot well past the point when fabricated events are taken at face value. Everything since then is just demonstrating the amount of control feminazis still wield.
TacoMedic 6y ago
Like I don't fucking understand it. I consider myself pretty damn liberal, I'm all for single payer healthcare, free college, starting the American prison system from scratch, etc. But feminazi's are so far left that they make me feel like a bible-thumping conservative.
I've been entertaining the idea of moving to a Scandinavian country for the past couple of years simply because they hold true to my economic/societal beliefs, in pretty much all ways except this feminazi bullshit, which really is a major deciding factor. Fuck.
Troll_Name 6y ago
"Fooling a man is easier than convincing him he's been fooled." -Mark Twain
Leftism isn't about less restriction, it's about collectivism - something which inevitably depends on restriction. Government pays for the public's health? That means the government just bought stock in people's health-related decisions. Next comes the protect-from-yourself bans, the sin taxes of a glorious new religion, and eventually (but certainly) the mandates that you must consume the products you're told to consume, and quietly accept they're good for you despite all evidence to the contrary.
If you moved to a Scandinavian country and settled there, none of your decisions would be your own anymore. The consequences would be all yours, but not the decisions which lead to those consequences.
Romerike 6y ago
Exactly the same here. But I have a little bit of experience. I was involved with two Swedish girls in my twenties in the 80s, and both of them acting aloof and bossy. However, behind closed doors they wanted me to choke them slap them around and call them whores. And were basically willing to do almost anything I commanded. I'm involved now with a woman of Swedish/German descent and it's exactly the same thing. My reddit name is the name of a border state between Oslo and the Swedish border. My father's family originally comes from Norway and I've wanted to move there for a long time, but some of the same b***you mentioned holds for me too, because all it takes is one look at some of the female Norwegian politicians to know exactly where they stand... On the left and usually behind a feeding trough.
DaphneDK42 6y ago
Denmark doesn't follow the Swedish feminazi nonsense. Norway is someway between Denmark and Sweden on this issue I think.
Ananonguy88 6y ago
Go to Sweden, have sex asking a girl about every position, let her go wild on you, back off the moment she does something spontaneously which she did not ask permission to (like trying to ride you switching from missionary or going oral on you), tell her that you did not agree on that and that you feel abused now, have it all taped, blackmail or just send her straight out to police.
It can work both ways.
Lateralanouncer 6y ago
Power to strong independent woman. if she make an official complaint your Fucked.
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Lessons Learned:
Never go to Sweden and if you do don’t fuck anyone there!
[deleted] 6y ago
Lol prison in sweden is practically just an elongated stay at a Best Western.
okuli 6y ago
There was a Russian comedy about a man who came to Western Europe with intent of going to jail.
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saibot83 6y ago
A buddy of mine is a prison guard here in Sweden. That's actually a thing.
jpeero88 6y ago
Could someone please tell me what the "stages" are and how many times I have to get consent during these times?
SKRedPill 6y ago
Ah, negotiated contracts. How romantic. How arousing.... how organic. Sheryl Sandberg will find nothing sexier than signing that paper....
God, I think we need a new word to describe this level of retard.
zyqkvx 6y ago
Stage 1. Beg to kiss her neck. Wait for approval.
Stage 2. Beg to lick her boots. Wait for approval.
Stage 3. Wear a mankini, dance around the room, and beg to lick her left nipple. Wait for approval.
There's more stages but that's as far as I've got so far.
Reformed65 6y ago
Step 4: Whimper like a dog if she says no.
soccerbum312 6y ago
I think one of the broader points is that there is no real guidelines for this. This pretty much gives women all the power and more when it comes to their sexual interactions. I believe this kind of law will make men that reside there extremely passive so they don't get called a rapist by the government.
Monky11 6y ago
Consider that this law can be used both ways. Men can use the same accusations and trigger the same presumption of guilt, assuming gender equality. But I am sure the justice system will forget “gender equality” when asked to prosecute women for the same ‘crimes’.
vicious_armbar 6y ago
You're crazy if your think that this law will be applied equally. The entire purpose of the law isn't to prevent rape. But is a tool by the feminist government to allow women to completely destroy any man that they're romantically or sexually involved with. Just by filing the appropriate paperwork. To borrow a cliche from the feminazi's: "It's not about sex. It's about power."
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soccerbum312 6y ago
Haha I did consider that, for a hot second. I guess only time will tell if Swiss government takes equality seriously
Catmantas 6y ago
Swedish. Swiss is for Switzerland
Monky11 6y ago
That is precisely the question I have asked the swedish ministry of justice, once we got talking. Never got a reply to that. In short, they know it’s vague and are ok with it. Gives them unlimited freedom to interpret...
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Power always makes its statements, and writes its rules, vague. For they have to mean nothing, everything, and anything, at need, case by case.
[deleted] 6y ago
Scary times. I live in Sweden. If this law gets passed, what should I do? Monk mode until I move out?
[deleted] 6y ago
There's a blog (Caleb Jones Blog) about the West's decline and how to plan one's exit strategy from it (the decline, and the West) I feel I can recommend.
Monky11 6y ago
Difficult question. I’d say watch Iceland for precedents, as they have already passed something very similar. It’s a good idea to carry a recording device to you dates, but also assume that you are being recorded. It’s shit that all this stress and distrust is being put onto legit relationships, it is so divisive.
So are there really no-go zones in Malmo and Stockholm ruled by sharia law?
[deleted] 6y ago
No go zones exist, but what that entails is another question. While there are many problems, there are no war zones were there is anarchy or sharia law. There are however areas of extreme crime (for Sweden) where the police lacks control
pbar 6y ago
Making a note to avoid blonde women.
sadomasochrist 6y ago
Legally enshrining “don’t be unattractive” into criminal law.
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Delirious_Solipsista 6y ago
I will be moving to Sweden in September. Could any Swede confirm that I should genuinely be concerned or is it going to be fine in real life?
Tito312 6y ago
I'm not Swedish but I can help you; figure out the arrest and conviction statistics of anyone committing this crime in Sweden.
BittyMitty 6y ago
This sounds like South Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1o_iY99eeA
This supposed to be a parody, but it slowly turns into reality.
Tito312 6y ago
Kenny gets killed many times throughout the show. Very realistic there, buddy. And no, I'm not your guy and I'm not your friend.
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zizzoe 6y ago
I used to live in Sweden, but sadly after the election 2016 I had to relocate. I miss it, but I am not ready to go back just yet.
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Besides how this demonstrably weakens the familial unit, I can't think of anything more unattractive to a woman than a man asking for permission.
If I grab a girl's ass who is in my home and she smiles, that is obviously consent. I shouldn't have to say "Is it alright if I grab your ass?" Not saying "No" is consent.
In LTRs, spontaneous sex is the cornerstone of a healthy relationship. This law would make every one of these encounters have the mindset of, "I could go to jail for this."
Even if a man manages to get a woman into his bed this way, he won't be able to enjoy the sex. Every session would have to be videotaped (depending on laws allowing that) and then specific key questions and answers said during sex that would clear him of any "wrongdoing." Something along the lines of: "You like it when I fuck you?" "Yes!"
Watch the birth rate sink faster than an anchor if this law passes and the government wondering why it is happening.
GoGetting 6y ago
Someone should just delete Sweden.
saibot83 6y ago
They´re hard at work at it. Don't you worry.
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Nocryingok 6y ago
Don't worry, dudes. This is just so that Beta Billy asks for consent every time, thus revealing his chumpness (warning women not to mistake them for alpha males). A classic shit test. As long as you're confident, rarely apologize and don't stick your dick in crazy, you're fine.
Pdd3 6y ago
That reminds me of the anti-sex league from “1984”
antariusz 6y ago
I post it regularly on t_d, but the globalists use 1984 as an instruction guide.
The youth raised by the government to “report” their parents for owning illegal guns.
The massive surveillance of the u.k. / Facebook / google. Televisions/phones that watch you.
The 5 minutes of hating trump along with the we love China we have always been at war with Russia, reverse that every 3 months.
stoplosingatlife 6y ago
you have a choice to avoid all of that. read the art of invisibility by kevin mitnick. he hacked into the nsa when he was 15 and wrote a book about how to stay entirely anonymous on the internet. and from phone monitoring. it is entirely possible and feasible to completely avoid predatory marketing techniques, data analytics, and government surveillance.
MientrasQuien 6y ago
No. There is no escape from government surveillance unless you're using other people's equipment and other people's connections. Otherwise you're always being logged in some level of the panopticon. To believe otherwise is foolish. The only solution is the advancement of Foss hardware and mesh networks. And these still need a lot of work and investment.
stoplosingatlife 6y ago
also, install the browser extension for chrome called ghostery. it removes web trackers which analyze your data and try to limit the information you receive.
Troll_Name 6y ago
Also install NoScript. It's quite likely the most difficult browser addon in the world; your internet access suddenly goes from automatic transmission to stick shift. Everything is blacklisted until you whitelist it.
Once you see "google analytics" popping up on every site ever you will wonder why you didn't start blocking scripts by default sooner. Some sites are almost impossible to use with NoScript; you will come to know those sites as cursed ones you should never have visited.
Monky11 6y ago
My fave is Peerblock. Essential plugin but requires some active control. NoScript also very good, and yes to Ghostery
Monky11 6y ago
My fave is Peerblock. Essential plugin but requires some active control. NoScript also very good, and yes to Ghostery
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THEnimble_mongoose 6y ago
1984 was predictive programming, as was Brave New World.
Troll_Name 6y ago
1984 was a warning about things the author witnessed in his younger years.
He was a socialist, until he saw what socialism really means in practice. Basically 1984 is a documentary of Stalinism with names and thematic elements changed in an attempt to avoid retaliation.
Under this system, you simply cease to exist. Your old self is thrown into an incinerator from the moment the communism rises up over your head. Your new self is none of your own possession; it's like a factory robot meant only to produce and deliver quietly. The needs of a robot are remarkably small, the conflicts smaller, and its opinions don't exist.
The perfect opposite of the promised utopia, just like "liberation" and "sharing" are perfect opposites of what they describe. "Political correctness" means lying. "Building of the people" fenced with barbed wire and signs showing guards pointing their rifles.
THEnimble_mongoose 6y ago
nah Animal Farm was Russian communism.
1984 isn't Stalinism. 1984 accurately reflects modern British authoritarian surveillance society that Orwell knew would soon arrive.
Don_Ron_Johnson 6y ago
Actually, he remained a socialist his entire life, even after the Spanish civil war. He wasn't even anti-communism. He only was against Stalinism (and, more broadly, totalitarianism).
ToplessNedFlanders 6y ago
We need a sub to help catalog all these 1984/new world/451 isms. In a clean and documented way.
THEnimble_mongoose 6y ago
lol the West has been running in 1984 authoritarian dystopia mode since at least the 60s when Kennedy went down.
We just didn't realize it because of how good the powers that be are at covering it up.
Troll_Name 6y ago
It's not even "covering up"
The otherstate will make a list of things you're not allowed to discuss, and if you stray from the guidelines the general public will remind you. Schools, workplaces, stadiums, websites, religions; they'll all have the same list and they'll all set off alarms if anyone brings up one of the forbidden topics.
The biggest MO for the social justice warhorde is enforcing the do-not-discuss list. And TRP is on the list.
THEnimble_mongoose 6y ago
exactly, they've turned the useful idiots in to their mass dissident surveillance monitoring system. Scary.
ButteredPastry 6y ago
BBC in Pidgin kinda reminds me of Newspeak. Newspeak sounds like very simplified English that is designed for 3rd world immigrants to understand and speak.
hawkeaglejesus 6y ago
Political Correctness is Newspeak. Every few months a new edition is out.
Troll_Name 6y ago
The goal of Newspeak is to make thoughtcrime impossible.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Beats using this sub to learn sexual strategy and gain some life freedom. Make memes bro! Pussy is for losers
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Rian_Stone 6y ago
Don't mistake what this is (a gentle and subtle face saving reminder) for an AMOG.
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TRP's mission is to discuss men's identity, sexual strategy, and options in the context of our current global culture for the benefit of men. Anyone who does not share that goal will be banned the instant we detect them. We are not interested in debating or defending our experiences to those who disagree with the red pill, nor do we want to clog up our threads defending the morality of our choices.
Do not crosspost from other subs. Present your ideas and how they relate to our mission.
Well, looks like the subtlety went over your head, so I guess explicit works here.
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Rian_Stone 6y ago
Ask any mod how big that removal list is, I'm sure you'll be surprised to find out you're not special
RandyBumgardner85 6y ago
I like the bit about them not being allowed to bang hookers abroad! So the government makes it essentially illegal for Swedish men to bang their own wives and then think "oh shit! What if they go to Amsterdam and 'rape' the prostitutes there??" "No problem. We'll ban that too"
This one caveat alone proves to me that this legalisation has nothing to do with protecting woman and is all about stripping men of their freedom.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 6y ago
I cant think of a country that is as culturally fucked as sweden. Jesus christ.
fifi508 6y ago
Woah! This makes sense to me now. Met a Swede girl traveling and she made fun of her dad when she was asking him for money. I thought to myself: “Why the hell would that be funny?” She even took delight in making fun of her younger brother and commanding/manipulating him to do random shit for us on skype. This was entertainment to her. I even called her out on it saying it was mean and cruel. Fuck she even Skyped her BF (she didn’t tell me about) bragging about me, after getting me drunk and wanting to fuck in the bathroom. Messed up!
Monky11 6y ago
Yes, it's man hate. Funny, they still need men to enforce it.
Troll_Name 6y ago
It's illegal for Swedish men to have sex at all.
It's neglected by government when hostile invaders commit mass rape at the point of a deadly weapon.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Canada has laws that hold citizens to Canadian laws while abroad. We've often arrested guys for sneaking Into Thailand to skirt age of consent law.
This isnt new.
DaphneDK42 6y ago
Ironically, Sweden just released an official information brochure to those "who are married to a child." To give information about how to handle your child bride for migrants coming to Sweden.
Entropy-7 6y ago
Child prostitution is something of an international exception, and a lot of countries have those kinds of laws. AFAIK, there is no extraterritorial jurisdiction over simple age-of-consent matters. The age in Canada is 16 while in various European countries it is 15 but I don't think meeting a chick off of Tinder in situ is a crime back home, although there was a case where an American went down on "internet luring" when he hooked up with a Canadian 14 year old and then tried to cross the border.
Troll_Name 6y ago
Basically Canada and Sweden took the rules everyone applies to child exploitation, and applied it to any and all attempts to find sexual gratification.
This is the controlled destruction of entire demographics.
WhorehouseVet 6y ago
Great, Sweden is now off my travel list.
pohlrich 6y ago
To be fair... your girl should be saying "yes YES YEES YESS" all the way through sex.
Maybe Swedish women dont like role play of resistace and feel taken.
SKRedPill 6y ago
You know -- there was an explicit contract of consent once upon a time just for this issue - it was called 'marriage'. LOL!
The world is a circle - what goes all the way to the left must eventually come right.
But even between spouses? Wow. It just confirms my theory that a feminized society dies due to a combination of wimps, fools, fear, imbalance and insanity (and foreign takeover). Rather like hypergamy on a global level, huh?
Ceramic-Fish 6y ago
You're a legit rapist mate, not one of these new "Didn't ask 5 times and once in writing" rapists, you're a proper old school rapist
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When there is sexual reproduction there is a measure of hostility between the sexes as they compete and weed out one another, each seeking their own best interests. It's a messy but effective way of overcoming adversity - which is often why a single sex species will change itself into a two-sex species, to overcome environmental adversity or other hardships which requires rapid adaption. Once the adversity has been conquered, these "inter-sexual" species will revert back to single sex again. (humans, which are complex enough to probably not change back into a single-sex species). there is also a cycle to the sexes coming together and later repelling from each other, which follows the basic theme of how simple organisms can change from single-sex to two-sex species and back again. This cycle is manifested in humans by the way civilizations rise and fall based upon restraining or freeing our sexuality. When civilizations begin and then rise, they are patriarchal in nature - the sexes work together in defined gender roles which aid them in overcoming adversity. Once the adversity is overcome and life becomes easy within a prosperous civilization, the sexes begin to androgynize which causes them to repel from each other. Once the females need males less for survival, sexuality becomes less restrained, birth rates decline, the civilization decays then crumbles, and out of the ashes adversity is once more created and the sexes will again form gender roles to overcome it. Over and over. Throughout recorded history.
SKRedPill 6y ago
I wonder if this rise and fall of civilizations topic is there on the sidebar. It should be though, at some point of RP awakening you awaken to the big picture of what's really happening.
In eastern traditions, masculine and feminine energies are recognized as a part of nature. The masculine leans more towards the earth principle (grounded, rigid, stoic, rational) and the feminine towards the water principle (fluctuating, fluid, emotional).
Basically everything that happens in society from skyscrapers to immigration is a giant extension of sexual principles.
Can you share some links on the 'sphere for gender dynamics vs the rise and fall of civilizations?
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I am reading The Masculine Principle, a book in the form of a blog hosted by Google Blogger (a search will lead you there) — and that's the source of that excerpt.
iamanenemy 6y ago
As much as I don't fuck with the dumbass whites who scream "marxism n' Jews!", I gotta say that this shit here is so silly, it gets me wondering. Think about how this sounds for a minute. "Every stage"? Stage? Dude, if her clothes are off and she's cowgirling your pole, I'd say she's down with it.
Is Sweden full of viking rapists or something? Jesus.
SocialCupcake 6y ago
Rapists yes, not exactly Vikings though.
Dravous 6y ago
rapists yes, vikings no. the former is a little more 'southern' in origin.
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HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
No. All the Viking rapists set sail long ago and set up rape franchises in other lands.
What's left are the pussies who were too chicken to learn to sail in inclement weather.
zyqkvx 6y ago
Expanding. Most of the vikings settled in various parts of Europe, became christian and mixed with everyone else and disappeared (disappeared is my word).
loknarash 6y ago
Despite Juudenwood's endless efforts to black wash European history, if by vikings you mean dune-dwelling, child-raping prophet jihadist worshipers and dark-skinned people who have more genetic commonality with Australopithecus afarensis and bonobos than they do with the y-pipo in the countries they have invaded thanks to the elite Marxists in power, then yes.
iamanenemy 6y ago
I'm going to cite the first half of my original reply for this one.
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no other explanation to why this happend rather than the old longnose tribes, friend
iamanenemy 6y ago
No. In your reality that is the case. I'm talking about the actual reasons why. One thing is certain: Sweden is off the list. If I get down with a Viking babe I might get the cuffs slapped on me because of a paper? No thanks.
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yes goy its only real in my mind
iamanenemy 6y ago
Goy? I'm too black to be a Jew since Jews are white, moron.
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Goy is hebrew for gentile, not for jew
And if jews are white, how come Joe Slovo (communist jew agitator) can sing this song with no problems? The blacks dont consider him white. Jews dont even consider themselves white
https://youtu.be/fcOXqFQw2hc
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redd_reality 6y ago
This type of shit has actual rapists laughing out loud.
Society gonna pay a price for exchanging liberty for(negligible) temporary safety.
Rommel0502 6y ago
I have no idea what the hell is going on in these Nordic nations. These places have gone from the land of innovation and conquest to the land of feminism and beta bitchhood. As a man with his roots in northern Europe, its quite disconcerting.
Dravous 6y ago
I'm sure the their newly arrived foreign population will fully comply, as the problems up till now have just been the result of a simply misunderstanding, and they just needed it explained to them that forcing a woman into sex is not ok! also girls who have barely entered puberty, because apparently they don't get the whole no sex with kids thing either.
...fucking idiots.
Lavlamp 6y ago
The "cultural differences" excuse is getting really fucking old, really fucking quick too. You have a bunch of incels really fucking things up for everyone else.
Ganaria_Gente 6y ago
West is fucked. I have no sympathy anymore.
Let the women and girls enjoy the rapefugees. I'll be sure to laugh all the way to the bank each time they get assaulted or worse.
"I told you so!"
contorsionniste 6y ago
We get it, your mom didn't love you.
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saibot83 6y ago
People call me crazy but I've been saying this the whole time.
goatwithbeergoggles 6y ago
Don't mistake stupidly for malice. Sweden scores very highly on the global rape ranking and very few of those cases lead to a conviction due to a lack of evidence. This law is an attempt to give the legal system more tools to convict someone.
The problem is just that it won't work because:
No new evidence will be created; it will still be an accuser against an accused but now the central issue will be about the lack of a positive confirmation rather than the presence of a negative confirmation (as concluded by virtually all legal experts who aren't on the far left);
However, that is only assuming that the burden of proof will not shift - which there is a real risk of. This is definitely a move towards men having to prove their innocence rather than the opposite - as you know that's already the case in a trial by media, but soon may also show up in the legal system. Once it is established there, it may start to spread to other laws. The left wing is happy about this, of course, and anyone who dares to stand against this is deemed to be "helping rapists escape conviction", an extremely difficult frame to fight against;
So in the most positive outcome, nothing will change and politicians will soon propose their next, more extreme plan; and in the most negative outcome, the prevalence of rape will barely decrease (if at all) but (innocent) men will start to get convicted because they could not provide tangible evidence of their own innocence.
Achterhaven 6y ago
Sweden has a high reported rape ranking because of this stuff not the other way around. They report as rape actions that wouldnt be reported as such in other countries.
Sweden does not have more rapes than any comparable country.
goatwithbeergoggles 6y ago
I did not make such a claim. The reason for this high ranking is indeed the broad definition and also the fact that multiple instances (e.g. over years in a marriage) are counted individually rather than as one.
That is by no means a reason to be any less concerned about the situation - I do not want to imply that that is the intent of your post, but it could be interpreted as such.
Ledoborec 6y ago
Swedes and almost all scandinavians are different, their culture is very uncommon, most of them are introverts or something like this. Lets hope it wont spread across the whole Europe. I get that guy, white genocide, there is something about it.
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Has to do more with existential depression and conformism — not with introversion.
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Yeah, leftists don’t have any agenda beyond unwitting self destruction. The mind of the egalitarian comes directly from Christian morality in Western culture, and an inferiority complex that comes with the peasantry getting a taste of power. The most radical atheistic feminist and other scum today, are more ‘Christian’ than any of the prelates of ages gone by. This is still a battle between the Christian and those with a mind for anything beyond mediocrity.
JeremyHall 6y ago
Ok. But why? Why the castration of western civ? To what end?
ObeyTheCowGod 6y ago
The answer is that it isn't the end, it's a cycle. A cycle of growth and destruction. The globalists can profit from either booming growth or destruction but not from a settled established community. Today the booming growth is in the east and the destruction is in the west. At another time it will be growth in some other underdeveloped place and destruction of some other fine people. The cycle will continue. Their is no end to it.
skoobled 6y ago
I have to agree here. I try REALLY HARD to stay away from such broad sweeping conspiracy theories nowadays. With this kind of stuff, I'm going to pin my flag on really one-sided, short-sighted, ludicrously over good intentioned, and arrogant refusal to consider unintended consequences.
I actually also have a friend who just moved to Stockholm
blue-jean 6y ago
Power in the west is overwhelmingly held by people high in the personality trait known as "open-mindedness". Such people are infatuated with ideas. They think the world needs their ideas in order to survive and progress. But (a) 80% of ideas are bad and (b) they think everyone is obsessed with ideas and that everything that happens is the result of someone's idea (as opposed to nature and the natural ways of human beings). They conclude that all the suffering and unfairness they see in the world resulted from other people's bad and/or evil ideas. Thus they engage in a battle of ideas, pitting their (mostly bad) ideas against the other guy's (mostly imagined) ideas. If you feel that you should have the right to own property, for example, that's innate (psychology has demonstated this) but they think it's your idea, or an idea you got from some bad people (the so-called patriarchy) and that its purpose is to create suffering through poverty. So they fight against it. But in reality it's a product of the evolutionary process, not someone's idea, and almost certainly essential to the success of civilisations. Roughly speaking, the straight white male is seen as the originator and beneficiary of these imagined evil ideas. To win the idea war, they need to try and disempower us because ideas require power for their implementation. Only then can they introduce their utopia. If you want to see what happens when open-minded people gather enough power to fully implement their very big ideas, look at Nazi Germany or the Soviet regime.
qx4758 6y ago
Hey now, let's not let our optimism get out of control.
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Because the victims of this cultural and legal and social abuse are taking it.
Abuse will "fall upon" whomever takes it.
It's like an amount of energy that looks for release. It will hit the point/group of minimum resistance. This is how society works. There's tension, aggression, anger... and they end up channelled to whatever individual (in a group) or group (in a group of groups) can/wants to retaliate the least.
[Same thing for: Why people make anti-white racist statements on social media and incur no consequences? Because those statements' targets, unlike other ethnicities, don't complain in enough numbers/loudly enough]
this is the only logic that there is to the entire thing.
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johnbranflake 6y ago
Not in the US. Not yet, but it will come If we don’t speak up now.
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chrisname 6y ago
Do you realise how insane you sound? (White) elites are replacing civilised white people with uncivilised Muslims because the white people don't complain about it? You probably also believe that they put estrogen in the water supply to domesticate men and make them easier to control. So why are they undoing all that effort by bringing high-testosterone Muslims into the country?
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A common conspiracy theory blames Jews for this and while I disagree with the premise the way things are going it really does raise questions about why our elites are seemingly orchestrating civilizational suicide.
vengefully_yours 6y ago
You're missing a few key components and assuming the white people in power are like us. They're not. They're weak physically, with the assumption that makes them mentally superior. They are Marxist with all the fucked up ideas and behavior that comes with it, the only strength the have is in ignorant numbers. So why bring ignorant third world people to your country? So you can manipulate them to force what you want on everyone
chrisname 6y ago
Who are the white people in power? I've never really been sure who the "elites" are. People like Soros? Zuckerberg? The Rothschilds?
The wealthiest 1%, who made their money through ruthless capitalism and inheritance (which would both be illegal in a socialist society) are Marxists? If you said they were faux Marxists like the Russian oligarchs, maybe, but you're saying they're genuine socialists?
Which is what?
TaqqiyaKillsUSA 6y ago
You underestimate the power and influence of whites who hate the color of their skin. Once you see that reality, you will understand why the third world is being transmitted to the West.
chrisname 6y ago
I don't see it as a deliberate effort to eliminate or replace whites, I don't think "white guilt" runs that deep. It's purely a way to virtue signal. This whole thing is basically virtue signalling taken to the extreme: "I'm so tolerant I encourage the import of savages, but not into my own neighbourhood, my middle and working class friends can deal with that!"
If these elites are so self-loathing and self-sacrificing, why don't they bear any of the burden of this "white genocide"? Because they don't really care, it's purely about politics and image. None of this is affecting them because rapefugees have so far ignored their gated communities.
[edit] There is also an element of cheap labour -- the larger the population, the more competitive the job market, the less you have to pay your employees.
okuli 6y ago
Does it work just one way? Can a man say that he didn't give consent?
pohlrich 6y ago
Yes and I suggest when you're married with kids and house and real life sets in and she branch swings and destroys your life, just go to the police and report her for not giving consent.
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MientrasQuien 6y ago
What if the men decide they identify as women? What if they said they had identified as women before their wives raped them but were too scared to come out publicly as trans because their wives made them feel unsafe because they continuously misgendered their "husbands" due to their transphobic refusal to ask their "husbands" for their preferred pronouns?
What if they say they were afraid for their safety because their wives routinely used violent language like man and woman instead of cis-man and cis-woman?
Surely any right thinking progressive court in Sweden would defend the rights of a vulnerable person who temporarily self-identifies as a trans woman? Anything else would be alt-right neo-nazi transphobic violence!!!
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MientrasQuien 6y ago
Not in the US legally or illegally. Although as far as I'm concerned anyone whose ancestors entered America by any means other than the Bering land bridge are probably there illegally.
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MientrasQuien 6y ago
No, that's ridiculous. Historically everyone came from somewhere else and there are multiple layers of invasions and colonizations almost everywhere. Legally the United States broke treaty after treaty with native peoples and it treated them in ways which if done to Wasps would have been unconstitutional to the extreme. So within the bounds of it's own written law a huge amount of the united States was occupied illegally. But putting that aside, I think it's only fair to remind US colonials of their morally dubious position in indulging in their righteous indignation over so-called illegals. Mind you the term "dreamers" is fucking nauseating.
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francisco_DANKonia 6y ago
They're killing off their population and importing a new one
cafeitalia 6y ago
Having sex with a heavily intoxicated woman sucks ass anyways so that is fine. But anything else they try to come up with is total bs. Every stage of sex you need a yes? Wtf! Suck my dick nope instead can you say yes to sucking my dick? OK. Can I touch your pussy? OK. Can I stroke my dick faster? No? Oh... Wtf Sweden has come to???
banjew 6y ago
The movie "Cherry 2000" predicted this, weirdly it was a 80's movie set in a dystopic 2017. They predicted sex-contracts so stupidly complex that men preferred sex robots. Exactly what's happening now with smart real-dolls.
FlamingAmmosexual 6y ago
Now you have the rise of sexbots but feminist want to ban those as well.
Troll_Name 6y ago
Dystopian stories aren't guesses; they're warnings.
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Laws like these are insidious because they don't actually have to be enforced. They make everyone a criminal and act as a sword hanging above you.
"Don't step out of line or we might investigate you"
People will self police and self censor.
Monky11 6y ago
I think you’re right. This is psychological conditioning.
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I think others have said it but this is white genocide. Only white law-abiding men in that country will pay attention to this law. The Muslims they are letting in by the boatload will still get all the sex they want and the loony women there will love it and not report the "crime". White. Genocide. It really is as simple as that.
pm_me_chuck_hagel 6y ago
If it's illegal to have sex, only bad boy Chad has the balls to get some on the regular. Meaning boring losers do not get to procreate. This is a brilliant codification of Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.
Reformed65 6y ago
Only Tyrone and Abdul can fuck Swedish women now.
do_it_or_leave 6y ago
Until one plate gets pissed by being spinned and decides she was raped.
FinallyRed 6y ago
Interestingly the alphas would eventually fall prey to regret rape much like they would naturally defending the tribe. A new alpha enters to replace him. How Darwinian.
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zyqkvx 6y ago
That's really key. The premise of all these women laws is as if they will prevent crimes. Women act like this is the case. That's not how it works. Laws only effect what the punishment is and how easy it is to charge someone with a crime. Big difference
chaosmech 6y ago
I can't help but think it's because women are
universallyon average higher in agreeableness than men. So they obey all the rules (or at least, almost all the rules; they just change the ones they don't like, little by little). So in their world/mind, changing the rules/laws means people will behave, because that's what women do. What they don't realize is that the very men they seek to disenfranchise with these laws will at some point become disagreeable to the point where they burn the entire thing down. At least, I hope that's what will eventually happen.PeterJohn72 6y ago
It is not true that all women are higher in agreeableness than all men. It is more precise to say that "women consistently score higher than men on Agreeableness".
But you are definitely on-point that disenfranchised young men are very dangerous to a society. That's how you get revolutions.
chaosmech 6y ago
I should have been more precise, that's true.
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Lol no alpha is going to follow this. I will still be grabbing and slapping asses, turning girls on and bringing them home. No law is going to stop me. I was drinking with a group of dudes and one of the guys approached this cute girl and put his arm around her... making her laugh, he slid his hand down to her ass etc. Then she pulled it away while laughing.. then she sees security a minute later and tells them that one of us was touching her and the security guards approached us about it and they were MAAJOR pussies.. so... think about that... the guys who are enforcing these anti sex laws are going to be huge pussies themselves so you just gotta be able to handle an argument gently and be on your way
Tito312 6y ago
Did this happen on Sweden, or at all? Boys who call themselves alphas are the biggest betas I've ever encountered
KnightOperator 6y ago
Wow, alarming. How could any modern parliament find these laws sensible or just? Why is logic and reasoning loosing?
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Gonna be a hell of a lot easier to lock up those pesky migrants now.
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En-Zu 6y ago
How does this law encourage violent rapists?
Monky11 6y ago
If you damned if you do and damned if you don’t... then some will opt for not getting consent at all. Since violent rape is already a huge problem in Sweden, creating more ambiguity and legal risk in legit sex gives more incentive to some borderline individuals to do it forcefully but anonymously.
hawkeaglejesus 6y ago
Reminds me of the Art of War story about the Chinese general
“What’s the penalty for being late?”
“Death,” says Wu.
“And what’s the penalty for rebellion?”
“Death,” says Wu.
“Well then…” says Chen Sheng.
En-Zu 6y ago
I'd like to point out I'm only skeptical of this claim because I think RP is important and I think it should have its shit straight to be presentable to the world.
Having said that, is there really evidence that violent rape is an actual huge problem in Sweden or is that just a product of their willingness to define rape broader and their rape laws being more emphatically enforced (which this law demonstrates). Is there evidence of "violent rape" is increasing there, as we would think of it (like a violent attack on a woman for sex)?
It isn't automatic to me that more stringent rape laws cause people to 1) Stop having sex & 2) As a result of that, 3) become frustrated and 4) rape people.
These are all the elements of your common-sense argument and I would dispute 2 and 4. I'm not sure if not having sex = rape urges.
Monky11 6y ago
This is not part of my argument, just a hypothesis. I think it is psychologically plausible for some individuals, those who are already borderline rapists.
As for rape statistics in Sweden I don’t know anything beyond the media reports, that Sweden has one of the highest rates of rape but also broad definition of rape. There were also reports of increase in violent rape and violent sexual assault by the recently arrived Muslim migrants.
lotikpotik 6y ago
What is the logical reason for any of those "laws" implemented? Fucking hell.
RomanEgyptian 6y ago
Upvote if you live in Sweden or have visited Sweden?
I live in Europe, have visited Sweden and have friends there. This very much comes across as someone sensationalising news for karma. Pathetic
saibot83 6y ago
I live here. It's not sensationalist at all.
RomanEgyptian 6y ago
So having consent is a cause of concern for you? Also, look at the practical, intellectual and realistic aspects of it too.
OP says it is a crime to have sex with a sleeping partner. In what way is anyone ever going to be convicted there? They won’t be. Any court will make it a case to say its consensual unless of extreme mitigating circumstances.
blue-jean 6y ago
Drop the failed line of argument and switch straight to another as if nothing happened. Very progressive.
RomanEgyptian 6y ago
Yeah, because he really expanded upon his reasoning ????
Buchloe 6y ago
... doesn't affect violent rapists. I'm speechless. Wtf is this shit
[deleted] 6y ago
Politics. Moves motivated by power grabbing and power struggles.
faxfrag 6y ago
You must have law authority for having sex with someone even both of you are agree?
SixViking 6y ago
This is just a paradigm shift in stupid
ayylma088 6y ago
More like: Don't go to Sweden, ever.
And the guys there should leave that sinking ship. Let the feminists rot and die out of nonexistant birth rates
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Rian_Stone 6y ago
Red team signalling, unite!
Morphs_ 6y ago
Man, I like Sweden and all. Great modern country. But the emasculation that is happening there the last ten years or so is worrisome.
zyqkvx 6y ago
What does Castration of Odin mean? I had to get to the end of the post before clearing this law had nothing to do with [chemical] castration for violations.
Zech4riah 6y ago
People seem to prefer down voting you instead of educating you.
Short version: Castration of Odin is a figurative way to say that the swedish men get more emasculated because of this law and dare not to escalate sexually on women.
Odin is used as a reference to a previously masculine man - Although Odin is better known in Norwegian mythology so I wouldn't apply it on things happening on Sweden but I digress.
zyqkvx 6y ago
Yeah I googled it after I wrote that post, but got distracted and didn't edit my post to reflect what I learned. Thanks for being real.