If you've read my posts before you'll know that Eastern European women are my niche.
I love how they are a generation behind Western women in their values and they tend to be more traditional in looking for real men. i.e. not nice guys.
They value the role men play in their lives and I am attracted to that.
That said, AWALT, and here's a tale of warning.
A few years back I met a new girl through some colleagues. She was from Eastern Europe and exactly my type. Innocent looking, angelic, good upbringing, yada yada. all the things.
She had a long term boyfriend or fiancee, I can't recall which exactly, who she lived with. Together for 6 years or something.
Great.
I sensed fairly quickly that she wasn't satisfied in her relationship and a combination of her approaching the wall and her desire to settle down meant there was an opportunity for a 'better' man to woo her. I had a better job and better game than her partner.
I gamed her hard and soon we started sleeping together. We'd meet for sex every week or so in a hotel.
I don't know what she told her partner but one morning we were woken up by him calling her cell. I was pissed as it was about 6am and I like sleeping.
She ignores the call and I start getting physical, I'm awake early so fuck it right.
The cell rings again. At this point my dick is in her hand. She answers the call with her other hand and chats to him saying how she was out with female friends and stayed over at their place, all the while she's stroking my dick.
I wish I was making this up.
She tried getting serious with me in the weeks after which I rebuffed obviously. Sure enough the sex stops as she realizes I'm not going to be her replacement man.
Fast forward a year and I bump into her again. She has left her partner for a guy she works with, who I presume she was fucking while fucking me, and she is engaged and pregnant. Game over.
An expensive wedding and house purchase follows and I can't help but feel bad for the poor guy, who honestly believes he's won the jackpot by snagging such an innocent girl.
Lessons for you young people:
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Eastern women will become like Western women when you remove social constraints. There is no unicorn.
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Never commit to someone you meet through her cheating on a partner, you'll be next.
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It's easier to game 'taken' women. Just be more exciting than their partner. And lift.
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Why a hotel? I didn't want her or her burned partner knowing where I lived
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If a woman is adamant that you cum inside her but it's ok cos 'I'm on the pill' it's usually a sign she wants a baby. It's obvious but in the moment you can lose your senses. I came inside her 12 times. Don't be me. I was VERY lucky or I'm shooting blanks.
- Don't get attached. I came close to falling for her, I was much younger and much stupid.
Mattyice2857 7y ago
Talking to her boyfriend with another cock In her hand. Man that’s savage as fuck. What exactly do you mean by gaming her hard???
epictetus_irl 7y ago
same girl dumped that bf and is now married with kids to a dude she was fuxking while also fuxking me. And she looks like shit now.
I mean I played hard on her insecurities. She was 29 at the time, looking to settle down but her bf was broke as fuxk so she was looking for a more stable provider.
I played the alpha man who opened up his soft sensitive side only to her. Hinted I was open to long term commitment. I wasn’t.
We fucked for months until she figured out I was also fuxking other women and had no intention of committing. My favourite way to game is to figure out their deepest insecurities and play on that. Or figure out what their current bf isn’t giving them and give them that. Works every time.
FANAT1CAL_ 7y ago
Short example, my neighbour had a fight with his gf and I bumped into her coming out the lift. She was crying. Within 1 hour we were having sex 2 floors above him, world class bj. He crawled back the next day as it was his fault for he fight and I bet she made him work to get in her good graces... Still with my load inside her. She's currently back to being his gf on the way to marriage but we chat on FB. Red pill strong AF.
YngWn 7y ago
expand on the story, this sounds red pilled af
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Rares5555 7y ago
I don’t think so. Italy would be nice.
However Hollywood Hills is the goal later on.
Rares5555 7y ago
I live in Eastern Europe, can approve that women here are a tad more loyal and less crazy than the other ones. Also they appreciate an alpha more and tend to stick with him for longer.
The girl I’m with broke up with her boyfriend before we even kissed. Mind you this happened in a matter of hours. I appreciated that, and since we’ve been together she didn’t do anything out of the lines I drew. (trust but verify)
I’m welcomed with hugs, kisses, blowjobs and sex whenever I come to her place. Never disobeys me, and always replies with “yes, sir” or “yes, daddy” to my commands.
However, my AWALT radar is on at all times.
epictetus_irl 7y ago
I’ve mulled over moving there. How are you finding it? Easy to pick up work?
Rares5555 7y ago
I can’t really tell you, because I’m still a student. However, from what I know, if you’re highly qualified, you’re safe.
Now, it depends on what EE country you want to reside in.
epictetus_irl 7y ago
I’ve visited most of them and Poland would be my preference. You planning on staying once you finish your studies?
ozaku7 7y ago
Actually thinking there is a difference, LOL. It's not about where the women are raised, but where they are this instant. A eastern european will be the biggest whore in western europe because noone will shame her for it. In eastern europe, a woman with a high n-count is considered to be damaged, even by women.
That's why Thai women make such good wives, because rarely any American except for a very few wants them. So they have only one choice, which is their current American husband that swims in money.
Even the most loyal dogs switch owners given that the new owner is much better to them. Loyalty = I have no other fucking choice so I stick with what I have.
Humans are inherently selfish, they act out of their own interest. Women get bombarded with chances, and no sane woman would let a better man go in favour of a worse man. It's the same for men, but since we live in a culture where women are approached and not men, women are permanently in a position where they get attention they didn't ask for and are being flooded with opportunities without any effort. While the man in a relationship simply can't be pro-active because he would be the cheating asshole, but he doesn't get any attention like the women do, so he is left with no choices.
Both genders remaining faithful and passive, the female gender will always get a ton of opportunities while the male will get none.
shockinghillaryquote 7y ago
Hence, be the 'better guy' she's cheating on with, not the chump she's cheating on. It's the only way to maintain any dignity as a man, otherwise you are perpetually next in line to be replaced.
You could almost argue men should re-adjust their game to ONLY focus on women in relationships.
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Hehehehe. That gave me good laugh for the day, thanks.
[deleted] 7y ago
I wish you were too but she obviously needed the thrill of the cock carousel. I’m surprised her cucked boyfriend managed to go 6 years without noticing his unicorn isn’t a unicorn but a horse on the cock carousel. Even worse she gets some other cuck to marry her and provide. The thrill of the cock carousel will probably end up getting to her again and her cucked husband will probably get divorce raped.
Dmva100 7y ago
'I had a better job and better game than her partner.'
You were the higher beta. That's the real reason why the sex tap got turned off because you wouldn't commit. If you were superior stock in her eyes she'd still serve your cock.
That's why she ended up preggo and it wasn't yours or her ex's. It was the new guy.
Either way, lots of n-count for her. All women must receive a dicking without committment for every notch they have. And since we never know the truth, then you just don't commit! Bahahah
epictetus_irl 7y ago
Yes quite possibly especially back then.
Though once I saw her try to make me her new man pet I put some distance between us.
Dmva100 7y ago
The real manipulation claws come out when you try to fuck with her AF/BB plan. Disengaging is the best move for sure at that point. Doubly so when preggers is involved.
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
As someone with a foot in both worlds, what you have to realize is, there are "Vikas" and there are "Natashas". Vikas will follow you to the ends of the Earth; Natashas will use their demon claws to pick your flesh from between their demon fangs.
When I'm back in the Rodina, and I see the rubes who have been sold on the whole "Russian Bride/Family Values/Unicorn" fairy tale, two things happen: First, I forget that I speak English, lest anyone decide that we're "friends". Second, I think to myself, "Well, four years from now, back in Rustwater, Arkansas, someone is going to lose his house...and his car...and all his cash."
Eastern European women have black belts at "survival". Importing a Natasha to the West is like taking a shark and dropping it into a tank of nice fat tuna. It's changing there, now, in a few different ways - help wanted ads for female entry-level positions used to spell out what age, appearance and general dimensions that applicants should have, based on what the boss' taste in women was - but EE girls are hardly unicorns.
uebermacht 7y ago
So the now Vika will turn into Natasha later?
CapnPoot 7y ago
Personally I would never cuck someone out of principle (the whole “someone else will do it if you dont” argument is bs to me). That being said, you handled it pretty well, and the good lord blessed you with 12 blanks.
On a side note, I always laugh when someone tells me that “Eastern European woman have more values”. Just fkin lol @ thinking westernization isnt a global virus.
CloudSerene 7y ago
It is laughable. I live in Eastern Europe and I'll tell you that for all intents and purposes EE women are not only on par with the Western ones, but in many ways much worse.
The Iron Curtain was removed more than quarter of a century ago, that's more than twenty-five years of intensive exposure to Western culture. The women here can get much worse than in the West because:
They have the beginner's energy, determination, hunger. They've discovered the cultural acceptability of behaving like a man (sleeping around, heavy drinking, etc.), and enough time has passed now that they can see that there's no formal punishment for it (social marginalization, shaming) like it used to be, traditionally.
Visit the coffee shops, bars, and clubs of any major Eastern Europe city, and tell me about the values you find there.
And the ones who indeed hold "more values" are either the old ones (basically the earlier generation), or the ones you really wouldn't have (brainwashed religious fanatics, white trash, etc.).
CapnPoot 7y ago
Thanks for corroborating. Its good to hear the truth from someone who has actually seen it
epictetus_irl 7y ago
He sure did!
In my experience they have more traditional values in their home environment. Expose them to western values by removing them their environment and they will change.
That said. I’m noticing the next generation of EE women are indistinguishable from western women. It’s all lost.
uebermacht 7y ago
Roosh wrote about this topic years ago already.
Thanks for the reminder!
thewrecker8 7y ago
Had this happen with a girl I was fucking regularly a while back. Had a guy she was unhappy with. One day she was on her knees blowing me in my house. She had to answer the phone (it was him). Afterwards I pounded the hell out of it and smacked her ass so much she had raised welts from it. AWALT
LeadInfusedRedPill 7y ago
I’m feeling the bitterness of branch swinging right now. Broke up two months ago, but only recently realized how bad it was. Gave me reasons, which were issues and had been, but still apply to the new guy. New guy was in her apartment a few days after, from her work. Put him on her story a week later or so, for everyone including me to see. Only recently found out how quick it was. This guy’s not much to look at, nor do her friends think that, but she still jumped ship. It hurts. It really fucking hurts. AWALT.
justgotalpha 7y ago
Dude all women are like that!! I was with what i thought was a unicorn!!the moment shit went south the moment a new guy came in the picture!! Like literally 2 days after,, no fucking lie!! I learned theres no land for the WEAK here!! You need to always have other women around ,plates ,fuck buddies and always game new women no matter what!!! I dont care how serious you are with a girl , (LTR or whatever) otherwise you will keep getting played!!modern women are savage animals!!
shockinghillaryquote 7y ago
We have to learn how to think like thots, as nauseating a prospect that is, it's the only way.
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LeadInfusedRedPill 7y ago
I’ll come out stronger, and a better person than her. Fuck traitors.
Gozsayin 7y ago
dude the hypergamy is unreal. I was just reading the the adultery/ suriviving infidelity forum and it's crazy how many betas that are good fathers are getting bashed my mostly cheating wives looking to fuck with a baby at home. Lol never getting married
SKRedPill 7y ago
Go to eastern countries and see how quickly women fall for the Western value system. It's like gasoline and a lit match.
Actually contraception means women are branch swinging and getting n counts at numbers that would have been impossible naturally. Their intimacy cycle (if you read the betatization process) is supposed to last for a while as hypergamy works serially, but now it's become like men's. But that's gonna damage them by the time they hit the wall.
MinosofaDream 7y ago
This has probably been said before, but as I'm new to trp this is a recent revelation for me: feminism is detrimental to women's own interests. They are giving away sex, and lowering their own value by doing so.
When the wall hits, a strong guy isn't going to want a girl who has ridden the dick carousel. they are left with weak beta partners who believe their bs and will spend forever trying to win their approval, leaving them ultimately unfulfilled.
Fuck. Women are going to realise in a few years and have their own red pill
SKRedPill 7y ago
Rule zero of TRP : Men and women are different and have different needs that attract differently
Rule 1 in my TRP book : Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.
[deleted] 7y ago
Be the bull, not the cuck. Sounds like it was a fun ride.
[deleted] 7y ago
To moralizers: the whole fucking point about branch swinging is bitches will stay in a bad situation until a better one shows up. Show me a truly attractive, truly single woman and I'll show you a goddamned unicorn.
ozaku7 7y ago
Exactly this. Many men don't realize that their women are unhappy, while the men believe the opposite. Women are insecure, need comfort, and that's why they stay with you. As soon as the other option is secured, she swings.
Which is nothing but logical. When you need money, you stick with the job, no matter how much it sucks, but you leave the moment when a better opportunity arises. It's as simple as that.
TheRealJesusChristus 7y ago
Women trat men like men treat jobs. AWALT =AHALT (humans)
ozaku7 7y ago
Exactly. Why stick with less when you can get more on the other side? That's nature, that's capitalism, that's the universe.
I actually don't mind not being with the same woman for the next 50 years. Atleast I will bang something new once in a while, have time for myself and only myself when I'm single and have the time of my life basically. Maybe I will knock on a chick on the way. I would still want to have a kid eventually, so I'm prepared to pay the daipers for that little sucker.
shockinghillaryquote 7y ago
A world of monogamy is probably less stressful for a man, because then there is no more chase, but still a woman at home for sex.
This is why there is so much consternation among men over hypergamy -- for us, the game never ends. For her, she just sits on her ass and waits for a better man to come along. Literally zero work on her end.
ozaku7 7y ago
Exactly, that's how it works. She can sit on her ass and opportunities fall onto her lap. That's also what feminism is based on. They can get the same wages if they would work just as hard and negotiate as well as men. But instead of doing actual work, they prefer it to be served to them.
shockinghillaryquote 7y ago
For thousands of years, smart betas created and enforced religion to keep hypergamy in check.
Males then got duped with Cultural Marxism and Feminism, let their guard down, and now we have no control anymore. It's pathetic.
ozaku7 7y ago
We didn't get duped. The control itself is pathetic. Betas should be eliminated out of society, it's a wonder that they could still procreate, but that time is soon ending. Betas will die out, real men will remain.
That's nature.
Charrington84 7y ago
Bingo. And now we are witnessing a breakdown of society, leading towards an even bigger daddy government. The cycle goes on and we have to ride it out as best we can. The Fate of Empires by John Glubb is spot on.
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ex_addict_bro 7y ago
you thought you've found an unicorn, but in fact, you didn't. your fragile ego got hit when you realised that she fucks other men thus the post "omg whamen are baaaaah". the deal is, both you and her boyfriend were not man enough to make her pregnant. her biological need was to fuck a fertile male, the only one who was fertile enough was that third guy.
that's how nature works.
don't be a crybaby
ArlingtonHeightz 7y ago
Just the fact that she had a husband and you knew about it is a low blow, and it speaks volumes of who you were when you were younger. But you are completely right in not getting attached with thots because the same thing will happen to you
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BobIn727 7y ago
Original Poster said she was living with the other fella, not married to him. You sound like a cuck who never gets any.
ImWatchingBob 7y ago
Says the guy who has to offer to pay for girls’ flights to “come visit” him.
I’m watching you.
mattman1414 7y ago
Shut up bob you fucking pussy
ArlingtonHeightz 7y ago
I just have morals. Sure it’s the girls fault for deciding to cheat, but you would feel like shit if you were cheated on.
eclipsing_yin 7y ago
Agreed. Not sure why you can't be both red pilled and honorable at the same time. It all comes down to your own moral compass and what you view as right vs. wrong.
[deleted] 7y ago
No room for that shit here. We're not captn save a bro.
epictetus_irl 7y ago
I don’t use the word husband once in my post because she wasn’t married
ArlingtonHeightz 7y ago
You said you weren’t sure what their long term relationship was. Could have been a boyfriend, fiancé, or even a husband. You weren’t aware of the circumstances. Just a low ball just to pull that move. Call me a beta male all you want but us guys have boundaries, in which, we don’t cross. And there is so much drama by doing something like that. Your life, your rules, your beliefs, I’m just stating what I see and what most people in our society sees as unacceptable. Justify the cause all you want if that will make you feel better
zyqkvx 7y ago
It doesn't matter. First your bringing morality in to this. Second, if she was married, Hubby is better off with the relationship blowing up, than he is being a life time 4th string provider. I have at least 4 friends wives who would cheat with me. They are HB4-6, one 7. I'd never touch them for various reasons. I feel bad for their husbands and know they'd be better off broken up, facing their bluepill. That said I don't pursue married women at all so far, but it's not because of a moral thing, it's because the complication it would bring, and mostly because they just don't have anything to offer except trouble.
Lastly, don't think because these wives want me, that I believe they don't want other guys too. They will seriously avoid showing interest in other guys in the room when I'm there, they are playing the game. They are trying to play, 'opps I fell on someone's dick'
ArlingtonHeightz 7y ago
That actually makes a lot of sense. If a girl is willing to cheat, then she shouldn’t be with the guy. Also cheating with her will cause too much complications. Like what Chris brown says, “these hoes ain’t loyal”. Do you believe that guys play more games than girls or vice versa?
zyqkvx 7y ago
Are you fucking kidding me? Women are to kayfabe as men are to the logic of physical things (and most men sadly think the logic of physical things is the same logic that transfers to social matters). A mans notion of kindness doesn't exist in the woman's world. They think of you the same way you think of the 3rd world slave worker that's making your underwear. Thanks for the underwear, and think of them not at all. The only exception is if they are genuinely attracted to you, then it's a different game. So start by getting your basic masculine build, basic good grooming (ditch your highschool haircut and more), eating clean, and actually having some circles of friends. If you find that hard join a activity based circle like mountain climbing, biking, pinball, whatever.
Women play way more games then men. It's not even games to them it's 'logic'. The only game men play, for the most part, is not challenging the 'version of reality' women can justify to themselves, and being the guy in that reality that is fucking her.
ArlingtonHeightz 7y ago
So it’s time to play women? Fuck as many bitches as you can and play with their hearts? Unless you truly see them as a sincere human being who doesn’t only think for themselves all the time