Title will almost certainly be misconstrued, so I'll just say at the outset that about 20% of guys will be able to fuck some of their female friends. Yes, I'm playing fast and loose with the Pareto principle, just for illustration. But, the guys at the top are guys by whom women want to get fucked, friends or not.
Women's preferences for partners in sexual congress are remarkably stable, and you two being friends has very little bearing on it. Women will do some depraved shit for men they want to fuck, and fucking a friend is the least of it.
This "do-or-don't-have-female-friends, don't try to fuck them" is a perennial topic on TRP, and it came up again in this post today (OP of that made the mistake of NOT wanting to fuck the woman; yes, really). The loudest voices are saying "never be friends with women!" Currently there are two comments at the bottom:
"Fuck every girl in you friend circle" keeps this in mind while talking to your female friends , it helps
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It's ok to have female friends, just make sure to fuck them :D
These sound like they are somewhat joking around, but I wholeheartedly and sincerely agree.
BUT, if you are in the bottom 80%, you are invisible to women. That's one reason you can't get your hot female friends in bed, or in a stairwell, or in a stranger's van parked on a public street, pile driver over the seatbacks.
So, starting with the basics and moving up:
Advices number 1: You want to fuck your female friends, climb out of the bottom 80% by lifting, get a haircut, etc., pull your head out by doing all the shit we've been telling you.
There have been a bolus of posts from the past on this subject. By sheer and utter coincidence, these, from almost a full year ago, was where the seeds were planted for a post on how you don't do things FOR women, you do things TO women.
Advices number 2: You want to fuck your female friends, the most important thing is don't do things for them.
It's not just don't do things for women and hope to touch a boob, it's an outright contraindication on doing anything for women. And it's not just that she doesn't want to lose her ATM/chauffeur by sexing him, it's because providing goods and services is unsexy.
Another coincidence: I got a PM from a guy after that post, on this very subject:
in a situation the other day- a girl told me that I wouldn’t judge her, and told me about how she’s been getting with her ex again, and at one point I came back (with the obvious) suggesting we could have this sort of relationship. We kinda laughed it off, and she said I should try sleeping with her friend lol.
Shot down. It would be wishful thinking to consider that any other way. Believe me, when I was young, I tried, and I never suggested my way into a woman's pants.
Maybe he wasn't forward enough with the "suggesting" you wonder? Here's another old post (was deleted, but the comments are still good reading), where a guy tries being very forward:
"Look. I love our friendship. I think we have a great connection. It's real easy to talk to you and we bond over the same stuff. But the way you smell just turns me on. And, sometimes, I catch myself wanting to bend you over. Our friendship is primary to me. Nothing we do or don't do will change that. But... if you're ever bored or lonely... I'd love to show you how much I appreciate your body."
LOLOLOL. No wonder it was deleted, his advice was garbage. (In the post he said he was recovering from a flu; I told him it sounded like he was still high on DM.)
The one good thing he had to offer was this:
every time you lie to a woman, and pretend you don't want her body, you are literally doing the single least attractive thing you could possibly do, with a woman.
"Nice guys" pretend like this. /u/Woujo explains it better in a past post: Stop trying to prove to women you're a good guy.
Advices number 3: You want to fuck your female friend, talking to her about it will make it much less likely to happen.
What DO you do to make it happen? One essential is to be a fun person, and a leader, or as /u/Woujo explained in another great post, in the words of Patrice O'Neal: I have fun, then I have you.
Another essential is to have a masculine presence and keep the atmosphere highly sexualized.
Advices number 4: You want to fuck your female friends, you need to be an overtly masculine man, and foster a fun, highly sexualized environment.
You should know when a woman is ready. SHE gives signs; you don't talk about it, you simply get physically assertive, and she accepts. If she doesn't accept your advances immediately and without reserve, you back off, because you are not a rapist.
Here's how I did it, from another old post, in which it is claimed that it is almost impossible to have OR fuck female friends, which was news to me, as I need more fingers than I have to count the number of female friends I have fucked (and remained friends with):
I didn't actually try, physically, other than maybe give them a look or something. If they want it, they will come, if not you shouldn't even want it. But you can DO things to make them all worked up and ready for action. Here's a typical time, and this was repeated with several different women:
A bunch of friends meet up, go to parties, climb around on buildings downtown, or hang out at the park or the beach, basically just run amok. The women are watching the men. Act like a stud, but not a jackass. If I'm alone with one of them at the end of the night, she has been watching my hijinks all night, and she is now ready. Simple as that.
I remember once, this chick was giving rides home, and I'm the last one. I didn't even invite her up, but she parks on the street, kind of blocking a driveway. She asks if it's blocking it, and she says maybe this guy won't be able to get out in the morning.
I was so high I didn't realize that she had already decided to spend the night. But we had been doing crazy and dangerous shit all night and she was primed.
(This last one was the same who liked to get pile drivered over the seatbacks in a stranger's van parked on a public street. She is somebody's mother now, possibly one of you guys.)
Another way to put the main point about having female friends, not just fucking them, the bottom line:
When you are a needy slob with lots of obvious beta qualities, EVERYTHING sucks for you, including having female friends.
When you are a stud with lots of alpha qualities, EVERYTHING is great for you, including having female friends.
Alpha_Jedi 6y ago
Point 4 is the most critical part. Great write up. Cheers.
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cl3537 6y ago
This post is in-congruent at best at worst it is fake bragging and can be misleading.
If you are so alpha dominant and sexual you don't ever become friends with women you want to sleep with, You might be friends with women you have already slept with and for one reason or another it didn't work out but never the ones you still want to sleep with and haven't.
The reason why you don't become friends with women you want to sleep with is that your window closes(with them) if you take too long to make it clear that you desire her. Women want to be desired and for strong confident men to make it clear at the outset.
I have many female friends, but I don't want to sleep with any of them. If a women I want to date/have dated tries to friend zone me I ghost her. I will never stick around hoping to get into her pants later.
octaviosergio2 6y ago
get the fuck out of town,you'll be surprised how welcoming women are in other towns,cities,countries.
12qw3 6y ago
absolutely this. I've fucked 2 of my female friends in my circle. Both are girls that i never do anything for and constantly make fun of and give shit to. Both times i just grabbed them and started aggresively making out with them.
askmrcia 6y ago
Big difference between female friends and female acquaintances
ghosts_of_me 6y ago
Is the "fucking in a strangers van on the street" thing a meme? I see it here a lot but it sounds like a weird thing to be popular. Who keeps leaving all these unlocked vans lying around?
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Personally, I'm calling bullshit on at least 50% of these stories.
I have had sex in my truck, in my girls truck, and even in a theater (slow day) and in a park. But in a strangers van? That's some movie shit.
Even if you could, that's a quick way to get shot. It's stupid as fuck honestly.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 6y ago
For some reason it's a female thing to get turned on by the idea of fucking where you might get caught - fucking in secret.
I have had girls ask me to fuck them in the toilet, finger them on the train, etc.
One girl wanted me to fuck her in a public park. Her idea was she would spread out her dress and sit on my crotch and I would do her while people were walking past without knowing.
I'm a teacher, and as you can probably imagine I refused. She was very disappointed and really tried to talk me into it.
It does happen, and if it hasn't happened to you you might not believe it. But I've got friends who have had women ask them to do similar things.
I am no Chad, and I never suggested these things. It was a woman's idea every time.
There's definitely some bullshit in here - that's a thing with men, when a group of men are talking some of them are bullshitting. Hell some of it is an intelligence test, some of it is testing their ability to mislead, some of it is an attempt to keep up with Jones.
But I assure you women do love the idea of secret sex. They are turned on by it. I'm pretty sure again there are good reasons for this - EG women in a harem are "captured" sexually; being able to have sex in secret is a way choosing their sexual partner even when supposedly they've had choice removed from them. It's the same thing for married women.
Dextorian 6y ago
RSDJeff takes a van out and goes and games chicks then takes them back to the van to fuck after!
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
No, it's not a meme. But maybe you aren't to a point where you could be walking the most delicate and beautiful creature you've ever been with back to the crash pad after a party completely smashed; she has to stop and barf in somebody's yard. You had nothing to lose, so you stuck your hand in her crotch while she puked, feeling her flex with each heave.
Anything like that ever happen to you?
ghosts_of_me 6y ago
Sounds like sexual assault mate.
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Someone call the f'n cops. Hide your kids and wives.
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On an unrelated note, where do you live?
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kenpachitz 6y ago
Where have I seen these words before?
StandardBoilerplate 6y ago
Copied word for word. It's in the last sentence of a post from 3 days ago entitled, "You don't do things FOR women, you do things TO women" flared as 'Field Report'. It's still on the front page of this sub.
I can't link it because of automods.
NotMyBestEffort 6y ago
wasn't OP u/GetInTheVan or something?
Solon64 6y ago
Oh son, it's been around far longer than 3 days. User /whatsthisgarg is pseudo famous around here for saying it, it's basically his calling card. Rather a silly calling card, but not my place to judge a guy for wanting to be identifiable.
StandardBoilerplate 6y ago
That's kinda what I thought.
TheWaterTemple 6y ago
I have sex with some of my friends that are girls and now I think they like me more.
Mingli91 6y ago
This whole thing is retarded. Women don’t want to fuck you forever alone virgins because you act like creepy forever alone virgins.
Chill out, stop trying to invent some bullshit science around how women’s brains work and stop trying to fuck every girl you meet.
You all pull these arbitrary numbers out of your collective asses and take them as fact. Stop trying to fuck all your friends, just hang out and be normal, if you and a female friend have chemistry and something happens then something happens, otherwise stop being such lecherous ball bags.
If you’re tired of being a virgin who’s never held hands with a woman just get into a gym, build some success in your life, dress well, and stop trying so damn hard.
11-Eleven-11 6y ago
Being attractive is the first step but you also have to learn how to build attraction.
BetaBitchBoy69 6y ago
lmao you hang out as friends with women? Really? What kind of conversations do you have? Did she get the new kylie jenner make up? Is her boss at target being a bitch to her? Is chad not fucking her enough?
MisunderstoodAsian 6y ago
I usually never comment on old posts but damn this is the most perfect case of relevant username I've ever seen lmao
Ozymanberg 6y ago
You are balls deep in the anger phase if this isn't bait lol
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p3n1x 6y ago
Asking this means you have Not changed enough. People notice change, they are not blind.
Every single close friend I have made some comment "on their own" about my transformation and changes.
You literally answered your own question. Stop doing what is quoted.
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Make new friends.
You sold your old friends a lie. You presented yourself as a safe, pacified, beta.
The truth is, you're an animal. A beast. A warrior. Why even bother trying to hide it? Are you a coward? Are you that afraid of what they might think of you?
Build yourself from the ground up as the person you really are. See who sticks around. Don't waste one more second trying to make someone else satisfied.
Be satisfied with who you are before you waste your precious time ensuring anyone else is satisfied. Those who matter, won't mind. Those who mind, won't matter.
How the hell are your real friends supposed to find you if you keep hiding yourself from the world? They'll simply pass you up, writing you off as just another nobody.
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presto_manifesto 6y ago
It's because 95% of Millennial males are soy sucking bags of cookie dough.
kaane 6y ago
Today I accidentally pushed a young guy in the bus. He apologised.
I was shocked.
Of course you shouldn't start a fight but being too kind is something else
Japaliicious 6y ago
There's no way I wouldn't apology. I live in Brazil and never knows when some random guy will pull a gun.
Yes, they are like this here.
Anueltriplea 6y ago
Hopefully he was being sarcastic
kaane 6y ago
Nope. It was an automatic response. Not kindness or politeness. It was very evident that being submissive is his default state
The new generation...
ClintonShockTrooper 6y ago
What if he thought he bumped into you. Being nice doesn't mean you're being weak. Bumping into people is so common that responses are automatic. You are reading way too much into it.
kaane 6y ago
Ok. This was just a meaningless event I experienced with someone I don't know of. But his reaction was not natural.
Of course I don't start fights if someone bumps into me, especially in the public transport. And again, the natural response is to apologise. You say someting like "don't worry" or "no problem" and go on your own way.
But I sensed the insecurity in this guy. I almost felt sorry for him.
RPmatrix 6y ago
In Australia it is normal for both parties in a pedestrian collision to say sorry ... my European friends find it very strange but after a while they 'get it'
Our whole culture revolves around small things like this, it's called 'being polite' and most Aussies conform -- and so 'when in
RomeSydney do as the Aussies do"male or female it doesn't matter, everybody is expected to be a bit considerate of others here.
It's one of the reasons I like this country, people take you as you come and treat you as you deserve from the start. Everyone is equal down the beach, but some are more fit than others
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Solon64 6y ago
If it was unintentional pushing, you say something like "excuse me" or "pardon me." You don't apologize for something that wasn't your intention. For that matter, you don't apologize for something that was your intention either.
There's ways to be polite without being apologetic and pathetic. Like the original commenter said, you can sense it. You know when you're in the presence of someone higher or lower than you in the social hierarchy.
chrisname 6y ago
Depends on culture. If you go a whole day without apologising to anyone in England, you probably made a few enemies.
Of course, if you mumble your apologies to the floor, you look like a bitch, but you can just say "Sorry mate" in a normal voice when you shoulder check someone. "Excuse me" usually means "get out of the way" and after bumping into someone might be interpreted as blaming it on them.
RPmatrix 6y ago
It's this way in Australia too, probably Canada too, taking a guess
chrisname 6y ago
America is "that country" in the Anglosphere that always has to be different.
MrAnderzon 6y ago
Let them. More for us
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Yes, but how do I know they’re the right ones?
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
Finally somebody got it. I was starting to despair of these young dudes not knowing this shit.
Anyway, I am giving you the right advices, trust me.
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Eclectiqque 6y ago
glad to see this becoming your signature. especially since it's confusing people in the comments lol - new meme.
p3n1x 6y ago
Terminology could be part of the crossed wires. "Friend" does not mean the same thing to everyone across the board.
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I don't have any attractive female friends who aren't married to my friends.
Of those who are single, one is a bull dyke with bigger arms than me and can bench 150kg, the other is just as ugly and my housemate. So I'll be leaving them alone.
The pool of fuckable girls is large, but the pool of fuckable girls who are interesting/smart/cool enough to qualify as genuine friends as vanishingly small and I'd probably LTR one if I found her.
So, yes you can fuck your female 'friends' but I suspect they aren't friends in the sense that other men are and either way it's easier to fuck the myriad of other options out there.
Fuck a female 'friend' properly and she'll get feels and when you hold frame it'll ruin the relationship. If you're prepared to do that for some sex then more power to you but your definition of friendship is different to mine.
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Celicni 6y ago
Yo my dude. Can you elaborate on the "maneuvering it smoothly"? I am very pretty sure this chick is in love with me, but she's buttugly (she's a 2, possibly a 3 if she did some easy to fix shit like actually shave fucking legs).
She does my assignments and shit and stuff in general for me. She's basically my orbiter. But like I said, I wouldn't smash even if I was so drunk I couldn't tell left from right.
What should I do when the inevitable...we gotta talk...happens?
LaserEyes2029 6y ago
I think the only thing to add is discretion.
Fuck your female friends, but just don't talk about it with others (especially beta males). Keep it on the down low, maybe wink and nudge the ones you've been with.
Raj_1990 6y ago
Why specifically beta males?
Merwebb 6y ago
Virtue signaling white knights
vengefully_yours 6y ago
Bitches funny want anyone to think they're a slut. Everyone knowing they are fucking me shows they are a slut, because I'm overt about not being a nice guy. If I didn't let them keep their anonymity they didn't come back. It's between the slut and you, the girls will talk among themselves about you so keep your mouth shut.
The betas will see you fucked her easily, then they expect she should be easy for them as well. Then the girl loses her orbiters and the free stuff they provide, because they get mad and annoying about the fact that she won't fuck them.
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cappadocianhawk 6y ago
I agree completely. I've fucked all my female friends, and having years and years of "friendship" doesn't matter if they decide they want to fuck you.
People new to TRP should realize the number one reason they aren't getting laid enough is that they aren't attractive enough. If she wants to fuck you: distance, time, your past relationship and the fact that you already have a "girlfriend" won't matter to her. That's why Chad can get away with being an idiot and you are an incel with a master's degree.
Become attractive, stop being needy around girls, develop abundance and soon you'll find women will start treating you like a sexual being without you having to be overt about your intentions. Word gets around, you know.
rahl_r 6y ago
Very nice!
And just between you and me, I'll let you in on a secret: with master's in my pocket already, I'm actually working on a Ph.D.
Trtntrenbrah 6y ago
Preselction at work.
I’ve never seen hamsters spin so hard over dudes that are supposedly “taken”
MrAnderzon 6y ago
Overtly masculine. Can you expand on that
Radinax 6y ago
Check Alpha Male Strategies on youtube for information on that.
max_peenor 6y ago
I don't speak for OP, but I would say it is this: make it obvious. Don't tap dance around hoping not to offend any vaginal outrage units.
Sirkisskindofman 6y ago
Dont ever act like a bitch, ever. Period.
ivaskuu 6y ago
Can you expand on that
Ozymanberg 6y ago
Basically, keep your frame.
YetisInAtlanta 6y ago
d o n t e v e r a c t l i ke a b i t c h, e v e r . P e r i o d .
max_peenor 6y ago
Predictable response.
YetisInAtlanta 6y ago
redundant questions get redundant answers
NotMyBestEffort 6y ago
and they repeat themselves, they repeat themselves
BetaBitchBoy69 6y ago
Lmao, female friends? Is this for real? Uhhh breaking down the friendzone is pretty easy, takes finesse..even more so if she’s already got a boyfriend/fiance/husband. The key is to know when to cut your losses and give up, otherwise you’ll end up as her emotional tampon. Thats all women want in their guy friends anyways, a beta bitchboy to “chat” with. It’s really a huge waste of fucking time - take the mike tyson approach I only talk to chicks i’m gonna fuck.
gruporn 6y ago
This whole thing is so stupid. Just watch Despicable Me 3... you’ll get the same results.