By many objective measures the lives of women in the United States have improved over the past 35 years, yet we show that measures of subjective well-being indicate that women’s happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women’s declining relative well-being is found across various datasets, measures of subjective well-being, and is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries. Relative declines in female happiness have eroded a gender gap in happiness in which women in the 1970s typically reported higher subjective well-being than did men. These declines have continued and a new gender gap is emerging - one with higher subjective well-being for men.
Their reasoning why this is a paradox at all is flawed, because it's presupposition is wrong, that feminism was a net good for women overall. It's only a net good on balance for the top 20% of cognitively elite women who had so much untapped productive potential as stay at home moms that it drove them nuts watching men enjoy all the glory in our hugely successful economy. This obsession over a phantom wage gap between us is illustrative of not the underlying cause of the lack of happiness, but simply needing something to bitch about quite literally to compensate for their underlying depression, like an alcoholic does by drinking their pain away.
Unless you can afford a foreigner to clean your house, babysit your children, etc, there has never been more pressure on the bottom 80% of income earning women in Western society. As women have flooded into the economy to compete with men for limited middle class jobs capable of supporting a family they have devalued workers themselves to a large extent. A college degree used to mean something, now it's just a pre-recquesite for HR departments to consider your application. So demand for graduate degrees has never been higher, further pushing out the time when women feel ready to get married and financially secure enough to have kids.
Because they often earn more than the median male does they are dissatisfied with the potential set of men available to them (basic hypergamy that's been proven as valid over and over again). A woman values a man's potential to provide 1000 times more than a man values a woman's providing capacity. College graduates are close to 60% women and have been for quite a while, and they all desire a college educated man. Simply due to mathematics alone 33% of them will not find that person because they don't exist in our modern world.
So they are left fighting over the limited number of men who dominate in STEM degrees, but only once they hit 27-32 years old and their biological clock starts ticking. Before that they could care less about such men to a large degree, because they are not masculine enough to trigger natural tingles that developed in an era where brain power was not in high demand, mainly physical strength, health, and potential to protect and hunt.
https://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(17)30315-X/fulltext
miller211 5y ago
Become a pipeliner with your own rig, you'll make all college grads into cucks
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WholesomeAwesome 5y ago
I have no sympathy. They have all they need to be *easily* happy but yet choose to waste it. easily is the key word.
Most human beings are disgusting as evidenced by the treatement of their own children anyway
Zech4riah 5y ago
Inflation of college degree doesn't have anything to do with women necessarily.
Here in Finland even bachelor and masters degrees education is status quo and is required HR department to consider your application.
This has much more to do with the technological advancements we have been achieving over last decades.
relder2585 5y ago
I think a big part of declining female happiness is the fact that women, deep down, are not happy being "independent" and completely hypergamous. Deep down they crave a strong man.
Give a woman complete independence and uncontrolled hypergamy, and in a few years you will see a depressed, suicidal soul-less piece of shit whose main purpose in life is to post on Instagram to prove to everyone (and herself) what an amazing life she has.
Reven311 5y ago
They crave to be controlled, but men are failing the shit test by letting them be uncontrolled and being too beta. It sounds nuts, but it's really how their brains work. A steady diet of alpha cock in their 20's is sure to ruin her capacity to feel attachment to her beta, she is much more likely to feel resentment.
The_Chiselnator 5y ago
Degrees are just credentialism and only matter in some very specific technical fields (engineering, medicine etc) or in the feminine crafts e.g. HR, Sociology and the rest of that shit.
Credentialism is feminine. Because once you point at your piece of paper from "Big Name University", you don't have to prove yourself any more. Your competence is automatically assumed. Women love that shit. If degrees in these useless fields did not exist you would have to ask for specific successful past experience and they have none of that. Their experience is just Whatsapping gossip.
So if you want to be a valuable worker, go to the fields where credentialism is yet to infect. One of these fields is logistics. When I left the special forces I became a total alcoholic (not because of PTSD as I never really had any problems with bashing heads in but because I just became a loser), after cleaning up I joined logistics as a warehouseman in a large consumer goods company with operations in 33 countries. No papers were required, just experience. I worked my way up to VP of Supply Chain and now in the C-Suite. In less than 11 years.
The phags in HR, CSR and the rest of that shit have multiple degrees from ivy league colleges. I got my 3 degrees while still on the job and these are actually in areas that help me outperform peers and I did them for me as noone has ever required them (3 degrees in Operations Research, Financial Crime, Accounting). As far as peers know, I am just a hick fromthe sticks who never went beyond community college and yet MAGICALLY I can develop a complicated model based on the Clarke-Wright Algorithm to solve problems we have with transporting material to our outlets in minutes and often on the back of a a used piece of paper (My schtick is to suddenly rise up, walk to the printer, get one of those pieces of paper from the dustbin next to it and start calculating-in the middle of a meeting-and provide an answer immediately)
They think I am Jesus. It wouldn't work if they knew that I am actually extremely highly trained. In fact had I done this back in the service I would probably be Admiral.
Only problem is that now we have all of this pressure to factor in social cucks in the supply chain and deal with shit like "female empowerment in the communities we source supplies from". I love this shit by the way. In fact it is helping me win. Why? Because all I need to do is make a big show of it. Hire some cuck to deal with that, develop a newsletter for the social justice shits in the company and ensure that the message goes to the market that we are beta phags who are involved in social justice cuckery. Why? you ask. Because I have developed a system to confine these cucks in an imaginary "shadow supply chain" where they don't actually affect my operations. Competitors try to match my supply chain by hiring social justice fucks in their supply chain and I know they have sabotaged themselves. They will fail. So I hire these people to mislead competitors. Unfortunately competitors turn their entire operations into social justice operations and will fail. We will keep winning. I think this is actually the strategy taken by companies like Starbucks in the past but which has failed now as they can't talk about it.
I have no idea what will happen when I leave because I will one day leave and have never told anyone that this is my war plan. This is how I win. Businesses are just competitions between supply chains. And I have helped many competing supply chains sabotage themselves by making it look like our supply chain is full of activists trying to spread cosmic justice around the world. When I leave, the corporation will fail as the new guy will not understand what I have done. I WISH I could talk to the CEO/ Board about what I have done over the last decade so that they know what's up and continue it after I am gone. But I can't. I would end up in the news like Damore from Google
Anyway, I would strongly advise against joining the credentialist track. Choose a field that is still masculine, get experience and choose trainings/ courses that make you better. Not just to wave a piece of paper in the face of people to avoid the burden of proving yourself.
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monadyne 5y ago
Dude, we need a comprehensive story about what you do and how you do it. Your kung fu is massive.
Birdog770 5y ago
Brilliant. Much like my team who are directly in the biz of supply chain with warehouses all over the US. We are all former military and we get shit done as well. The only issue I see with lacking a degree is my boss (former marine) can't get into the officer level despite being very competent. I love the war plan. In the end, the bottomline is all that matters.
The_Chiselnator 5y ago
He should get one. It is easy to do so these days. And in fact there are Micromasters offered by universities like MIT specifically for supply chain. He doesn't have to stop working or attend classes.
He has to do it because if he doesn't someone who doesn't know Hecate from Hecuba/ Shit from Shinola will take the role and shit on his team with nonsense.
Even better why not do it yourself? Set yourself on the path to replace him when his time is up and climb the ranks.
PoppinChlorine 5y ago
Yeah, you’re the exception, not the rule. I bet much of your story is exaggerated. Impressive institutions are impressive for a reason- they attract talent, resources, opportunities, etc. If you have the opportunity to attend a high tier university, please do. You’ll be developed to a much higher degree than this man who thinks he’s Jesus.
The_Chiselnator 5y ago
Sure. By all means. You can take a BA course in your local Big Name university and major in "Afromexican Studies". You will get a job in Diversity Corp and make a lot of money. Biggest business around these days. It is your funeral and I don't give a shit. I don't care.
You can even study Policy (whatever the fuck that is) at Harvard. Doesn't mean you have any useful skills and in any case even a monkey can be trained to study that.
Before you say mew mew mew..............I am black.
PS: Things can be perceived to be impressive without being impressive but as I said it is your funeral. You can do whatever you want.
CanuckinFL 5y ago
Good post, and I like your confidence and no bullshit attitude-HOWEVER
if you're as bright as you claim to be, rereading your post objectively would yield a very, very specific story and track, one most won't or circumstance wouldn't assist to follow. And so, a poor case to offer a general conclusion from. This is called basic logic. Your conditions aren't met for sufficient conclusive train.
And speaking only for this 'credentialed' dude (me), I'm sick to death of the posts deriding a proper education because being or appearing to be an ignorant hick who's actually hiding deep technical know-how is not what I'm looking for as my benchmark. You've got to appreciate how anecdotal your situation appears, and I give you props for seeing yourself so postively but your butthurt reactive attitude to the world reeks of desperation. i find this subculture of angry venomous ignorance to be large in America these days. I'm just done with putting up with it.
Of course there's merit in getting a degree from a good school in a discipline that motivates you.
And of course that doesn't imply a degree in social studies and a job in HR. Those are women's jobs that require a degree. That's all. Not that all jobs that need a degree are women's jobs. That would be overstating the claim logically...
I can tell you that to get my 'credentialing' I worked my ass off. I also am in supply chain, and woo surprise, did get educated while on the job, did some before the job. there will doubtless be some AFTER the job. In fact, I CAN go to the CEO, for, while he's not a friend, I have enough 'credentialing' as well as real world knowledge to know how to get what I need to him and vice versa. My words and education are not reactive and snidely, I state what I take to be the case to him and anyone else and let it go at that. But there's no bitterness or salty bite back necessary.
Sorry, not geared at you specifically, but I'm done to death with people putting down a good education so they can sit and bathe in the brine of ignorance and assume they've scored a coup. google Dunning-Kruger for that shit.
The_Chiselnator 5y ago
Nobody gives a shit what you are fed up of or won't put up with. What you do once you find yourself in something you don't like is not to write treatises about it.................it is to leave. Also, you seem to think like a woman. You assume that every opinion is driven by feelings i.e. bitterness and whatnot. WTF are you doing here if you are that clueless?
Credentialism won't stop being bullshit just because you want it not to be. By the way even the cathedrals of credentialism i.e. the white shoe consulting firms have stopped asking for degrees in their graduate management programmes.
You say "anecdotal" and yet 30% of billionaires do not hold even a first degree and the next 27% obtained their degrees while on the job.
But hey I get your issue, you would hate for your magic paper to be worthless so I will give you that. But if it is all you are counting on, you are fucked.
Birdog770 5y ago
It's difficult for some to completely unlearn what they've been told. I do not have a degree but make well over $100k. My next move is to get the PMI for project mgmt. No college debt. The main goal for me is not to work for a paycheck but start a consulting biz. It will be difficult but nothing worth while ever is.
"Proper education", that's hilarious.
CanuckinFL 5y ago
Nope you count on being a motherfucking savage if you have to, to get done what you need. Ultimately you make your reality, as you appear to have done. I'll disregard your ad hominem nonsense. being masculine doesn't mean nearly as oppositional as you've got it mate. You need to dial down the faux testosterone by about 75%, but otherwise I think we can agree.
The_Chiselnator 5y ago
A nerve seems to have been struck in you. What is it? You counted on riding credentialism to success? That was your plan in life? That you would wave a magic paper in people's faces and they would automatically nod their heads and give you shit?
You will never get shit. Not that way and not with that attitude i.e. running your fucking mouth without adding anything to the conversation. Not once have you enlightened us mere mortals how you do what you do and where it has taken you. All you have done is verbally diarrhoea and try to shit on the message because it contradicts your worldview and of course your worldview is universal.
Resist the pressure to reply in comments if you have nothing of value to add.
CanuckinFL 5y ago
You need to stop taking yourself so seriously. Good luck
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oldrunnerguy 5y ago
It has created a slew of problems in seemingly unrelated markets. Think of how much it costs to buy a home these days. Generally, you need to have two people with steady full time incomes to make it happen. Wages for most jobs have leveled off due to the influx of women in the labor marketplace while housing continues its steady climb. Some old-fashioned women are never allowed to be stay-at-home moms because number 1, they need to secure a man with a much higher than average income (not easy to do), and number 2, men in that income bracket can be very selective, often choosing a working woman that is of similar income to his own that (in his mind) will enable them to provide a better life for their children. I have seen this all happen over the course of my lifetime. There are consequences of change and unfortunately we can't live the way we did back in the 50's and 60's.
Relating to conflagratorX's comments regarding women in their 30's. My stepdaughter is 35, has served in the military for 13 years. She is a single mom who never married her daughter's daddy. Although she has been successful serving our country, she has the mindset that she should be able to land a successful man and continue having a family. I had to use a certain amount of tact explaining to her that if a guy is that successful, he can be choosy, and will probably go after a younger, more fertile female rather than taking on the extra baggage she would provide. The female mindset is a weird thing and it's hereditary. Her mom, now my ex-, lived her life with the same convenient ignorance that her daughter has. Sad.
Reven311 5y ago
Yes exactly, that's 100% it. Stay at home moms are under economic as well as cultural pressure from "modern families" with two incomes and a chip on their shoulder about how high and mighty they are compared to "regular" women who are "slaves" to a man and stuck in the kitchen. They're disgusting animals destined to be weeded out of the gene pool by their own stupidity.
Frenetic_Zetetic 5y ago
"Convenient ignorance" needs to be a legit TRP term.
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nofilmynofucky 5y ago
It's not due to a single factor, both feminism and the boomers have impacted hugely on many current issues such as those being discussed.
As is generally the case, the answer is not binary but rather very complex
RedPill115 5y ago
What you linked to is just rich people who are annoyed by zoning laws that don't let them make more money, trying to convince poor people to remove them for their own benefit.
Look at New York. I'm sure they have zoning laws yeah, but it's completely sky scrapers, as much housing as you can physically build. Is New York a cheap place to live? Or a reasonable place to live regarding house costs? No.
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SovereignSoul76 5y ago
Technically it would be the WWII generation that did the worst damage, since Nixon falls into that generational classification. He's the one that pulled us off the gold standard and pushed with inflation problem into hyper-drive.
I think the boomers get the blame because they're the ones who financialized the entire country in the 70s and especially the 80s. But what do you expect when there is no honesty to your money supply?
JTTTS 5y ago
I wish I could up vote this more!
The Creature from Jekyll Island should be mandatory reading.
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neveragoodtime 5y ago
It’s also because the modern family must have two homes, instead of sharing a single family home. Same capacity, double the demand. All because women can’t stand to live with their children’s father, and make him buy his own house after buying hers.
Reven311 5y ago
No it's women too, Houston has no zoning laws, it's still expensive.
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Reven311 5y ago
There's a lot of people in the suburbs that don't live in houston. Even rural areas outside of Houston but close enough to work have very high cost of living, even land is super expensive way outside of Houston.
Orbiter45 5y ago
http://ideas.time.com/2013/07/18/its-not-just-sexism-women-do-suffer-more-from-mental-illness/
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So this article basically says women are going crazy because of the wage gap, from social and economic stress. But given that the wage gap is lie, I come to the conclusion that women are going crazy, trying to be men.
So I'd say relax, they are driving themselves crazy trying to keep up with what you can do.
Reven311 5y ago
Yep, women aren't men and never will be, no matter how hard they try they will always fall short of that goal, at least 9 times out of 10.
Gozsayin 5y ago
As a college education man in his early 20s I can say from experience women my age have it 1000x better than men and yet their still depressed wtf.
Reven311 5y ago
In their 20's no, in their 30's to 80's? Yes.
Deus_Vultan 5y ago
It is increasing across the whole age-span. Not sure why you are here spreading lies when every1 can google it pretty easy. Do you enjoy not being taken seriously? Is that why you make shit it?
Reven311 5y ago
Women are happiest in their 20's, look up the data, it's a fucking fact man.
Deus_Vultan 5y ago
Yes, but that was not what you were saying the first time. And i did not say anything about them being happiest in their 20s
Timthetiny 5y ago
You don't seem to understand your own data. Man.
party_dragon 5y ago
An interesting comment by YaReally:
Reven311 5y ago
Women have a great need to reproduce around 27-35, it's a biological need that just starts screaming in their heads. Guys are adapted to being the disposable gender for millions of years. Most of the men who ever lived never reproduced, so we have a strong capacity to deal with our own worthlessness in various ways. Women need religion and medication.
Fedor_Gavnyukov 5y ago
also, thanks to social media and the constant bombardment of their neurons with white knight beta compliments online, they get a huge let down in real life when guys they think they deserve don't give two fucks about them for being average
CCJ22 5y ago
I've had more fun in my 30's (33 currently) than I ever had in my teens and twenties combined. Well said above me.
conflagratorX 5y ago
Sexual liberation introduced by modern feminism switched focus from long term, fulfilling goals like raising the family to short term pleasures like hookups. At the end majority of men and women lose. 80% men loose as they can't get laid regularly and 80% of women loose as they have hard time in obtaining commitment after being used up postwall sluts. But I think women lose much more than men - men can go MGTOW and be happy or break into 20% to have regular sex. Women after 30 have low chance of commitment from quality men and after 35 risks of giving birth to unhealthy child goes up drastically. Also they realize that being corporate drones is not fulfilling - but it is too late - now couples need to work both to sustain middle class lifestyle. That's why we see this trend.
SKRedPill 5y ago
And the hormonal changes caused by contraception seriously fuck their emotional profile in ways we'd not want to admit - but there's a near perfect correlation between the pill and divorce rates.
Grasshopper21 5y ago
I've watched more than 1 friend go absolutely crazy after starting to take the pill in their 20s
patches93 5y ago
Christ, my LTR tried a couple different pills over the course of about 4 months and I didn't even fucking recognize her. She finally stopped taking them for a bit and returned to normal.
She got the Mirena IUD though and it's been good since then
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patches93 5y ago
It's pretty good peace of mind. I read up all I could on the Mirena coil, the website, doctor's statements, women talking about their symptoms while having it in. She knows next to nothing about it. At least one of us does
SolarWizard 5y ago
The mirena still contains progesterone though like the mini-pill, depo-provera and subcut implants. I wonder if these stabilise or at less have a lesser affect a woman's mood more than the combined pill which contains estrogen as well as progesterone. Perhaps its the estrogen that messes with them the most?
patches93 5y ago
I'm not sure. I'm glad to have a girl who's on birth control and not much different from when she's not on it
Reven311 5y ago
They also get alpha-widowed a large percentage of the time, and so are even less likely to develop a true loving bond with their beta provider. So divorce and all that fun stuff...
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Reven311 5y ago
That's the truth, no doubt. Steady cock diets ruin relationships and marriages.
adroitus 5y ago
Are they unhappy because their N-count is >20, it is their N-count >20 because they are incapable of being happy?
donkey_democrat 5y ago
Their pair bonding mechanism is damaged due to being pumped and dumped so many times. That is you see a linear response to n count and ltr happiness. Women with n of 1 have best and the happiness score goes down a bit with each increasing n count.
RedHoodhandles 5y ago
The old hen or egg analogy. See it rather as a vicious circle driving her to next cock.
FreeRadical5 5y ago
It is very clearly the former. That's why they used to be happier. Otherwise it would've always been the same.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
This is something I've studied extensively (and posted about a couple times already). The reason seems to be pretty straight forward. A woman's happiness, for most women, is tied to her family.
The lower the barriers are to dissolving a family, and the more you promote alternate value systems, the less likely a woman is to prioritize family.
People who study retention in employment understand that women leave high positions around the age of 30 and rarely return. It isn't because they're being stigmatized, though some are, but because most of them don't want to return.
You travel a bit, take in life, buy some "dream" items etc and eventually you realize life isn't as long or complicated as you think.
I don't blame women for taking part in Feminism. It seemed to make sense. What if is something that probably made a lot of sense, and women are still struggling to understand why it isn't making them happier. That's why its a paradox.
Feminism, is, and was, a paradox. It will, with time, resolve itself.
jackandjill22 5y ago
I'm sure. I'm sure it won't cause our society to tear itself apart like inequality with mass shootings & low birth rates.
RedPill115 5y ago
I can't believe it's taken 3 years for someone else to say this.
Women "earn" less because after a decade in corporate life:
Can you start sleeping with a girl, then move into the house or apartment that she pays for? Can you get pregnant with her baby and convince her that she should pay the bills and you should stay home? No. You're a guy. (Well for the sake of this comment you are).
I'd do the same thing if I could. There's even a few guys who have pulled it off.
My cousin, an attractive girl who hit her late 30's, just did this. Found a guy with decent money, got married, had a kid, started "working less" - no idea if she's still working at all or not. I'd do the same thing if I could, women have the choice and they take it. They leave higher paying positions because it's a lot more appealing to get a man to pay their bills instead. It's more appealing to work to have a family than it is to continue the corporate grind.
That's why women earn the same money as men for the same job, but earn less as a group - because they have (and take) other more appealling options to pay their bills than earning the money themselves.
littleblacktruck 5y ago
I'm in labor law, and this is spot on. Women work 40 hours or less. Men work 40 hours or more. As retirement age approaches, the gap in work hours increases. Women simply do not possess the hyper-conciensiousness of men. They certainly expect the same income, in contrast. Much of what I do as a profession is to ensure equal treatment under law, and so few Janes understand that Jack makes more then her because he is at work 70 hours a week, while she calls in sick 3 times a month.
InstigatingDrunk 5y ago
What about the ones who do return? Makes me think of my old ceo at Opentable. She isn’t anything special but promoted a bunch of feminist blue pill shit at work
sadomasochrist 5y ago
Honestly it doesn't matter because hookin' up at work fell out of fashion a long time ago. Keep your head down and chug. Companies don't want to deal with the inefficiencies. Makes your life easier, honestly.
Reven311 5y ago
It will resolve itself in economic collapse and financial crisis far worse than 2008. That's my prediction, then whoever the President is will declare Martial Law, which he is authorized to do under the constitution, and dissolve the congress basically like Caesar did when the Senate and the Roman Republic died. Then they'll have to re-organize society in a more functional way.
NormalAndy 5y ago
Peopke waste a LOT of time with this end of the world crap. There’s never been so much wealth around and this type of thinking makes you hunker down in your bunker in fear rather than going out, living your life and taking what’s yours.
I do not subscribe.
Unrealenting 5y ago
All that wealth is going to the top 10% exclusively. Wages have stagnated for 30 years for the bottom 90% and tripled to quintupled for the top 10%.
Reven311 5y ago
You don't have to live in fear because someday a hurricane will hit at full strength. Just live your life as a normal person, but have a plan if the shit hits the fan. It's not hard to do.
NormalAndy 5y ago
Is say that a great strategy is Making yourself hard to kill and taking control of your life where you can. Very red pill. Monk mode? Off grid? I mean, you can go too far...
JTTTS 5y ago
Monk mode and going off grid are important experiences to have however. I don't subscribe to them as a lifestyle, but how will you know if you can survive on your own, or hunt, or farm if you've never attempted it.
Reven311 5y ago
It's certainly an interesting experience no doubt, with the capacity to change you for the better once you return to civilization.
NormalAndy 5y ago
I see monk mode and off grid as terms that I need to internalise while living with society as it is- but maybe that is sometimes hard to see until you have done it in isolation. The danger is when you isolate yourself running away from responsibility to yourself. I've seen too many ex-pats who isolated themselves way out of town with a whisky bottle for company.
I feel similar about meditation. It's one thing being mindful when you are in a quiet, peaceful environment but a real challenge is to hold frame when you are in a shit storm. Similar with lifting and the gym- it's all good practice but only keeps you 'ready' to a lesser extent than real experiences.
Shit tests are there to be passed wherever they come from. Learn to welcome them not least because you can pat yourself on the back every time you clear the hurdle.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
It's possible, but they're bold claims to make. I'm just saying the mechanisms that caused the paradox will stop being a driver of behavior once there's no more dragons to slay.
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Unrealenting 5y ago
One more generation, so yeah about 20 years.
Reven311 5y ago
There are always more dragons to slay, like fake issues like the wage gap. This is why women destroy civilizations.
outsider-outside-out 5y ago
Paradox will resolve once Western civilization destroyed by it... I agree with Reven311. Trump is possibly our last hope...
ThePlague 5y ago
Unfortunately, Trump is at best a delaying tactic, a brief respite slowing the decline. This last election, even for its miraculous outcome, showed anyone with eyes that the divide between parties is superficial at best, and the true power structure is establishment vs outsider. That means that in order to have another respite, another outsider like Trump would have to join in. Due to it's lack of coherent organization, that can not be even remotely relied upon, while the establishment can put up any number of faux re-tooled types to appeal to the disillusioned.
Rommel0502 5y ago
Our debt to GDP ratio now is over 106. History shows that once you get over 100, bad things start happening to your economy.
Trump may stave off the inevitable through growth, but ultimately we will never grow fast enough to compensate for the blue entitlement vote buying enslavement programs of our all beneficial elected officials.
Im a big believer in avoiding conflicts of interest. As much as the framers tried to separate powers, they failed. We still have the same guys taxing who are the same guys spending who are the same guys issuing debt who are (largely) the same guys controlling the currency. The power always lies in the money, and here there are no checks on the conflicts of interest.
outsider-outside-out 5y ago
I hate to say that but unfortunately you're right...
agree-with-you 5y ago
I agree, this does seem possible.
Reven311 5y ago
There are always more dragons to slay, like fake issues like the wage gap. This is why women destroy civilizations.
Unrealenting 5y ago
Africa was full of Matriarchal Civilizations that prevented them from competing technologically and civilly with the Patriarchal Civilizations of Europe due to their huge abundance of land and ease of access to resources. If America continues to move towards a Matriarchy it will collapse and become more and more like a 2nd-World Country. Hate to say it but the writing is on the wall.
Reven311 5y ago
Source on matriarchy in Africa? I'm surprised they have recorded history for that sort of thing that even exists.
Unrealenting 5y ago
It's more of a correlation regarding r-selection strategies and African tribes. All tribes are primarily matriarchical in the sense that there's low-investment in long-term mating strategies and nuclear family units due to the fact that they rely heavily on Briffaults Law, which is where women are the arbiters of genetic survival. This is because the abundance of resources and year-round temperate and tropical climates allow heavy fluctuation in social hierarchies because women are far less dependent on finding one individual mate for protection during pregnancy and child-rearing, so they choose only to mate with Alphas who are best adapted to hunting and mate guarding through physical combat. Basically, women get to set all of the rules when it come to who does and doesn't produce offspring. This of course means no betas and therefore very little consistent social orders or technological advancement, the tools by which betas compensate for their genetic make-up which increases their vulnerability to physical threats and allows them to mate when they perform adequately within the paradigm that idealizes social and technological prowess over the ability to hunt and fight with relatively minimal tools and physical strength.
Reven311 5y ago
That explains the low IQ too, no environmental pressure to select men with the high intelligence required to survive in a very cold place.
Unrealenting 5y ago
Basically, but not quite. Betas are allowed to prosper in a society with a rigid and well-defined social order which is created out of the need for interdependence and specialization in an environment with limited resources and long seasons of harsh environmental conditions, they are the ones who specialize in IQ and can do so under the protection of that social order. However, they will be bred out of the gene pool without those stark environmental pressures because Women no longer need to depend on a Man to shelter and feed them and their children during the first few years of pregnancy and child rearing. They are high IQ and mechanically minded but they are also quite vulnerable and lack the necessary survival skills to survive the ensuing hierarchy created by Men when they are forced to compete for a limited number of Women. An African may be lower in IQ on average but they're also perfectly adapted to climb to the tops of these hierarchies and survive in the midst of chaotic and fluctuating social orders by having higher EQ and physical prowess. It wouldn't take but 3 days for a city to completely run out of food in the event of a catastrophe and the high IQ betas would quickly be wiped out in the ensuing "Walking Dead"-esque anarchy as a result of the sudden high level of competition for resources and mates, meanwhile those who live off the land and possess hunting prowess would be just fine and easily climb to the top of the New hierarchy spawned from this chaos.
That is to say these tribes could survive in much harsher environments but it would be very chaotic and lead to brutal violence and militaristic innovation to the point that a hegemony can be developed that requires a rigid social order to prevent those at the top from essentially being coup'd by the less strong betas at the bottom, which is essentially what Europeans and Northeast Asians slowly developed into after they migrated from Africa. But keep in mind that once that order collapses the high IQ betas and the civilizations built on their backs would be wiped out while the "primitive" tribes of, say, Africa or the Amazonian Basin would be doing just fine, and it doesn't take much to upset the social order established by betas, really just a few days without access to food and technology. All civilizations basically live on a spectrum somewhere between r- and K-selection strategies, depending on the abundance of resources, amount of arable land, and the rigidity of the social order established by the government and religion established by the Betas. Harsh environments lead to Patriarchies because women are dependent on men to survive and protect their offspring whereas Abundant environments lead to Matriarchies because women aren't shamed to conform to the social order and don't need to depend on a single man to survive and protect their offspring, which is what we're becoming as a result of the abundance created by our military and industrial enterprises. This is also why "Alpha" and "Beta" are always framed from the perspective of women's preferences for mates who can compete physically in chaotic environments.
You're going to see a lot of low IQ alpha chads rising to the top of society as abundance continues to grow and women are shamed less and less by government and religion to choose a worthy long-term mate, which is the lynchpin holding up this entire sub.
Unrealenting 5y ago
It's also why Eve is depicted as the reason Adam had to leave Eden. When Men have to compete for female attention they become brutish and short-term oriented in their decisions/stupid because these are the qualities women ultimately sexually select for. It forces them to realize they are "naked", or put in another way, vulnerable to being breeded out of the gene pool by physically bigger and stronger men.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
You're going pretty far down the rabbit hole here.
I agree there will someday be a worse financial crisis than 2008. That's basically mathematically inevitable. Whether its next year or 30 years...who knows?
To say Congress will be dissolved and society reorganized is a HUGE leap.
JTTTS 5y ago
I agree, just based on the Rome model alone (Not to mention every other republic and democracy since). We have passed our peak where we are trying to support our decadence and moral decay by utilizing resources we no longer have. This is causing a gross military and economic overextension that will result in a economic and societal demise, or military defeat.
Nobody studies history anymore, so we're doomed to repeat it.
Unrealenting 5y ago
Those who do study history are doomed to watch others repeat it. There is no escape from human stupidity.
PsychedelicDentist 5y ago
My bet is within the next 2 at most.
Historically speaking a recession has occurred on average once every 7 years. It is now the longest length of time we have went without a recession - to say one is due, and in this lie of an economy, is an understatement.
The currency wars will be a much bigger issue than political correctness
Reven311 5y ago
That's true, next recession will be legit ugly I think, because rates are already very low.
Unrealenting 5y ago
Plus Baby Boomers, who hold over 80% of the wealth, will be retiring soon and stop spending money which will completely grid-lock the economy and destroy the already thin solvency of the younger generations, leading to a cataclysmic and irreversible economic collapse as oil prices skyrocket and 80% of consumer spending freezes in its tracks while the value of the USD plummets. Hyperinflation is coming and people are legitimately going to die as domestic terrorism ramps up and the state implements a military surveillance police-state they've been building over the past decade and a half. It's going to be complete anarchy as the chickens we've been putting off for decades finally come home to roost.
Reven311 5y ago
Historically democracies do not live forever. We're basically running out the clock here. Look up the statistics yourself.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
Nothing lives/lasts forever. Should I rephrase?
Someday there will be a worse crisis than 2008 in my lifetime.
It's a huge leap to think our government will be overthrown in my lifetime.
I would bet all my money that in 1,000,000 years the US government doesn't exist - but that isn't happening any time soon enough for me to start making contingency plans.
PS - we don't live in a democracy.
Reven311 5y ago
Yea well, it's gonna get a lot less democratic in your lifetime most likely. If not yours, then in the next 100-150 years.
PsychedelicDentist 5y ago
I think he is underestimating what it means to be over $21 trillion in debt - this spiral of debt doesn't last much longer
Reven311 5y ago
That is actually small compared to the unfunded liabilities, social security and medicare for the entire baby boomer generation through retirement that we young people have to somehow fund with less people than we should have in our generation due to demographic collapse. Higher costs and fewer people, it's not a recipe for long term success and prosperity. Plus, States are bankrupt as well with long term liabilities associated with pensions they promised to Government workers who can retire at like age 50-55.
PsychedelicDentist 5y ago
Man its fantastic to speak to someone in the know. I've literally been laughed at by a room of people when I tell them investing in a pension now as a young person is a good idea. You can't print money out of thin air forever
Reven311 5y ago
If people knew what was coming we'd already have financial unrest. The illusion is required to maintain order in the short run. It's engineered basically. The elites do not want a panic, they want a slow and steady decline, and they know the key to achieving that is with a healthy dose of propaganda, printing money, pointless entertainment like Marvel movies, and welfare for the poor. The Romans had a word for it, it's called "bread and circuses."
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red_matrix 5y ago
I wonder if this is why poly relationships are on the rise? Women will do whatever it takes to be with an alpha, even if they have to share one. And the social stigma and poly is weakening, acceptance is on the horizon.
lagerea 5y ago
This is what I've had going for about 5 years now. I knew I could pull better looking girls but not ones as intelligent or with their shit together. So I create the thought in my girl that first she was confused about her attraction to other girls, point out that her checking them out and her interactions were that of desire. Then convince her that it was just obvious that she was more attracted to girls and that was likely why her previous relationships failed but I was clearly the exception because of my open nature. Hop skip later and now she pulls the girls in at about one a week and we both fuck them, they are happy, we are happy. Sure it isn't the nicest thing to do to someone but she didn't need nice she needed me.
Sparky159 5y ago
I'm shamelessly stealing this phrase
rigbed 5y ago
You Machiavellian mofo you
Denver_Luv3 5y ago
From a guy's perspective, "open" relationships are a handy contrivance to increase sexual availability and keep FWBs going over the longer term. As every guy who has ever lost chicks to the "Where is this going?" conversation knows, most chicks think they want marriage.
Open or poly is a way to keep her on the rotation while forestalling her dropping out. In my view it is still better to catch and release older women who want families, but the open or poly frame can help make a woman's forebrain align enough with her hindbrain to make her stick around.
Bi women also make great wingmen.
EqualResponsibility 5y ago
Open and Poly isn’t the same thing. Poly allows more than one love interest. Open allows for more than one sex interest. A subtle but important interest.
In terms of getting pregnant and locking a guy in perhaps it’s not different. The deal here is that for more women to be poly more men are having to accept it.
red_matrix 5y ago
I was more referring to your typical relationship where a beta is with some chick and she says she wants an open relationship, the guy probably thinks he won the jackpot but in reality the girl can get laid whenever she wants (and will) but the guy probably has zero chance hooking up with other chicks (isn't that why he wanted a girlfriend in the first place?). That kind of poly is on the rise, where its initiated by the girl and the beta capitulates - another society wide shit test men are failing?
vicious_armbar 5y ago
Depends if the guy has any game, and if his girlfriend cock blocks him.
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Denver_Luv3 5y ago
Great points. I think this distinction is part of the reason open and poly (they are different in some ways but close enough to merge for RP purposes) are so contentious in RP-land.
For typical guys without game, open and poly are the landmines you describe.
For guys with game and who don't want an LTR (or an LTR with a particular girl), they can be useful tools for the reasons I describe above.
These two conversations are just moving past each other.
I think I just found my next post. Reminds me a little of the "Reveal vs Restructure" distinction too.
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Reven311 5y ago
That's actually a fundamental truth that is really important. That's why western society is collapsing, women have too much authority, education, and economic power. They will destroy this mother fucker one way or another.
RedPill115 5y ago
In dancing men lead, and women follow.
When the follows try to hard to lead it really doesn't work. Both because you're fighting for control, and because the follow usually has no experience leading and thinks they'll just do what they want when they feel it and everything will work out. Same thing they did when they were following.
sourdieselfuel 5y ago
This always reminds me of that version of Survivor from Australia where did they a battle of the sexes men vs women on their own. The men instantly started building viable habitats, and the women built nothing and bitched at each other until they had to be bailed out. They honestly would have died without help.
Reven311 5y ago
It's not their fault, they have never had to be in charge of that sort of thing. It's not in their nature to be responsible for things, only people. That's why they all want to be nurses, teachers, get psychology degrees, sociology, etc. They are social animals, not intellectuals that build complex things. It's like asking Einstein to become a caregiver, it wouldn't work.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
There has never been LESS pressure on women. They can do literally anything or nothing and be worshipped for it. No consequences.
We are not evolved to value female provisioning because we've learned that women simply do not provide for men.
And this is the problem women have: they strive for more and better for themselves at the expense of men, but then don't like the position they are in whereby they can't find "good men" (which means men significantly better than they are that are willing to settle for them).
Reven311 5y ago
There are always consequences, having choices is actually not always a blessing, as someone else pointed out. It creates confusion for young people who have no idea. Hitting the wall thinking you can have it all in your 30's is just one consequence.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
I find it ironic that men give women what they ask for at their own expense.... and it's making women unhappy and men better off (at least sexually)
ECoast_Man 5y ago
Definitely ironic, but I also agree the lower 80% of women are under pressure but going to the irony thing - it's their own doing.
It's like a procrastinator. If you have a deadline to meet and you procrastinate, meeting that deadline by doing everything the night before when you had a week is high pressure, but you brought that on yourself.
This is what women are doing. They spend 15 years building careers (with substantial affirmative action and forgiving standards), then get established, and now they have to meet the baby deadline. They have to now meet someone, have a relationship, marry them, and have kids in a window of five years at most if they start this in their mid 30s.
They've procrastinated because they bought in to the whole 'independent womyn' thing, denied they want marriage and children, ignoring their own basic instincts, and then when they hit 30 they realize they actually want to do what their instincts are telling them, and the clock is ticking. Loudly.
Reven311 5y ago
Because women are like children, and the children are now dictating politics and policies that are fucking this world up beyond repair. They're driving this country into a gutter and it will probably end up causing some sort of financial crisis/collapse worse than 2008, eventually. I think there is a link between a lot of this shit and the financial crisis of 2008, it's demographic collapse and debt fueled growth.
PsychedelicDentist 5y ago
Have you looked in to the problem with central banking and fiat currencies? There's no doubt the debt bubble will burst catastrophically
Reven311 5y ago
Yes I have. Fiat is actually theoretically sustainable, it's just corruption inherent to human greed makes it unsustainable in the long run. Women were unchained from the kitchen at about the same time as we dumped the gold standard. So it's a complex array of issues affecting society today.
ThePlague 5y ago
That's why it is important to warn men in their late 20s and early 30s: no matter how much fun you had in your early 20s, it gets decidedly better as you age. Don't get trapped, you are the one with options now. Women as a group had their fun in their 20s riding the cock carousel, now it's your turn to dive into pussy lake if you're so inclined. I would advise caution but, if you've made it this far in your journey, you probably know how to handle yourself. Just don't forget.
jackandjill22 5y ago
Yep, that's what I've seen.
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I'm seeing this unfold before my eyes and its great.
EdvardMunch 5y ago
Aint feelin like that at thirty. My SMV and looks are so high I only see movie star/famous as a viable option, as ridiculous as that sounds. I have nobody to complain to this about because you want to cringe, but I'm highly intelligent to a fault and very attractive. It doesn't suck for my self love, but it sucks for social dynamics. If I was stupid I could be big dumb handsome stupid guy for her to manipulate. But I call women on their shit, and think more than they often do so this makes me a nightmare.
What kind of woman wants a guy who rips open her insecurities? Bald and signs of aging with money and decent body? Sure, hot insecure blonde will go for that, she considers you about even and you'll be loyal to her.
Only options I have are hooking up. And that hardly works anymore because its already presumed I'm bad news. So she might want it but she doesn't, and if I seduce her to get it she'll hate me next week and maybe make up some story someday if I'm ever in a social spotlight.
Do not forget women crave security and validation more than great sex and fantasy. Many today are fine swapping sex out for emasculated slave dude who leans towards butch lesbian. I don't know where yall are living at but from my experience people have lost so much social confidence that women past 27 only want super nice leash guy. What are you guys looking for? I'm done with the casual sex cycles, I just want a good woman.
ThePlague 5y ago
You'll have to define what you mean by "a good woman" and then, more importantly, come up with a way to identify one. Good luck.
EdvardMunch 5y ago
I don't know if it exists. I want a feminine woman who loves doing her hair and looking nice, but also is confident in herself from a deep place and on a place of keeping herself looking good. I want her to have drive and passions of her own, and admire me for mine. I don't want her reminding me of her humanity, I'm aware that she shits and pisses, I don't need it vulgarly displayed. Maybe she even knows how to cook a few things because shes isn't offended by the idea that she might play into a sexist role because she's beyond that.
Things like that, like I said probably doesn't exist.
ThePlague 5y ago
It almost certainly doesn't or is so rare that you might as well give up the notion right now since you'll NAWALT some chick who checks a few boxes. That's pretty much how I see RedPillWomen: training ground for deception.
It boils down to an epistemology problem, with the end result being there is no way to know. Thus, one is left with prior experience and extrapolating from there.
I was asked by a woman whether I thought she was NAWALT. I responded that I didn't know her but, based on prior experience and statistical probability, no.
It did get me to thinking, though, is there a test? It can't be an answer to a question, since that can be learned by rote. The only thing I could come up with was an extraordinary act of sacrifice, like pulling you out of a burning building or similar. That's not really a test for women plus it's a rather ridiculous bar.
So, no, just assume it doesn't exist. There's no way to know, and it's so rare that you'd be better off just assuming it doesn't. You could win the lottery, too, but the odds just don't favor it.
oliseo 5y ago
At 45, if I could go back and give one word of advice to my 25 year old self it would be;
"patience"
And maybe an all knowing cheeky wink.
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donkey_democrat 5y ago
No kids is degenerate. RIP family bloodline your ancestors delicately nurtured for thousands of years
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ThePlague 5y ago
LMAO. Exactly. Certainly by the 40s, men hold all the cards: much more mastery of libido, higher SMV, larger pool of prospects, women now getting a taste of the desperation men had earlier in life. It is glorious. And, as icing on the cake, it apparently pisses women of to no end that men can be happy either not wanting them, or having their pick if they're so inclined.
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ThePlague 5y ago
Age difference becomes much less important as you get older. A ten year age difference is nothing, and 20 is not unheard of. Lower libido, certainly, but it's not as a dramatic a decline as many are led to believe. It's the difference between being a little thirsty and appreciating a cold glass of water, and someone who has just traveled for days through the desert and will drink the first brackish puddle he sees. It allows one to be very choosy very easily, which is a good thing.
Don't fear aging, it is your ally.
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ThePlague 5y ago
While I see the upside of what you advocate, there is something to be said for an abated thirst. Sure, a lifetime of experience gives one the ability to manage even the strongest desires, but there is a relaxing advantage not to be ever on guard or on the prowl.
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HadALifeWouldBeElsew 5y ago
Quality of sperm starts to decrease around 30 so there is also a clock for men. sex is fun but it is still very animal side and rising a family with children filled a lot the men I know. don t get trap either in an eternel hunt of sex, it is not feeding the need of spirituality that you maybe touched when you had time to wonder what the purpose of this life is.
edit: since I have some furious kid highly exposed to confirmation biais, Here is the source: Day, J., Savani, S., Krempley, B. D., Nguyen, M., & Kitlinska, J. B. (2016). Influence of paternal preconception exposures on their offspring: through epigenetics to phenotype. American journal of stem cells, 5(1), 11.
http://www.ajsc.us/files/ajsc0030217.pdf "Above the age of 25, the relative risk of schizophrenia increased in each 5-year
age group with the highest risks being in off spring of men aged 45 and older [15]. Another study assessed a six year cohort of Jewish men aged 40 years or older. The offspring of these men were 5.75 times more likely to have Autism Spectrum Disorders when compared to off spring of men younger than 30 years [16]. "
EqualResponsibility 5y ago
How does this always happen?
“On average women are shorter than men.” - “men can be short too!”
“On average men are physically stronger than women.” - “what, are you saying women are weak?”
Sperms motility degrading is not in the same ballpark as LITERALLY running out of eggs. A man in his 50s has an INFINITELY better chance at conceiving a biological child than a woman in her 50s. What’s with the false equivalency nonsense lately?
The sperm of a typical male in his 30s does not have anything to even begin to worry about regarding sperm. It’s like a narrative is being spoken in hallways about how women want to live in denial about their biology. And any time that’s talked about someone has to find something to say about men.
It’s not the same thing. Men do not have the same actual biological clock as women. End of story. It’s not right or wrong or better or worse. It just is.
Revo_Luzione 5y ago
Agree with the advice on not getting caught in the eternal hunt for poon. That is a real potential problem for RP minded men with low time preference. You're absolutely correct that for many, even most men, having a family will provide deep meaning in life in your golden years. A lot of men can't think that far ahead.
However, the warning on sperm quality is objectively untrue. Men can have healthy babies into their 80's. Healthy men have healthy sperm. Yeah, if you're a fat fuck who smokes, drinks, eats like shit and doesn't exercise, don't expect your swimmers to be champs. That is true at any age.
Yes, there is some relative risk increase for older fathers, but the absolute risk is still tiny. The big risk is that older fathers, even fit men, will find a smaller pool of young women who are up for dating and mating with an older man. They're out there, but the curve gets higher as we get older. The big risk then is an older guy settling for an objectively attractive, but still older women, and it's older women who have a high absolute risk of having miscarriages, infertility, birth defects, etc.
I think we're on the same page, but just want to be clear that fatherhood risks, physiologically speaking, are low for men who are healthy. We make new sperm every day, whereas women are born with all the eggs they'll ever have.
Butt_Man_69 5y ago
Perhaps maybe the older people get the more lifestyle catches up with them.
Revo_Luzione 5y ago
This is why healthy lifestyles are mandatory for truly red-pilled men. Age is no excuse not to maintain and build the body to its highest potential, whether single or partnered. Life is way better at any age when you maintain strength and vigor.
itsjustsimon- 5y ago
Oh really? Sperm banks exist for how many years now? Ever heard of that? If you REALLY think this is the problem.
And funny thing, if you google 'male sperm quality by age' you get:
You throw this number around like 10 years is no difference. Maybe you think you are redpilled, but let me tell you, you're still beta as fuck.
Froze your sperm ( just in case lol ) and start your family when you find yourself in a right position to do so ( right woman, circumstances etc). Starting a family with a wrong woman, broke and with low self-esteem and SMV just because "a sperm quality decreases over time" is beyond stupid. That fucking shaming "get married and have kinds before 30" is not gonna work here.
HadALifeWouldBeElsew 5y ago
I am sorry dude. With such agressive answer, I feel a bit like if I posted on some feminist topic now. You are free to do as you want, I am not trying to shame anyone. You however, you put in bold some stuffs that I never said, thoughts that I never had, I don't see the point other than trying to shame me.
hammerhearth 5y ago
True alphas call out the betas
SemiLoquacious 5y ago
Do you seriously have no idea how expensive long term preservation of sperm is?
And btw, that sounds stupid and risky as fuck. Freezing sperm for twenty years AND assuming that they'll be proper swimmers AND that there's enough good sperm weakening the outer membrane of an egg for fertilisation to commence AND that the conceived baby comes out perfectly normal.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PASS THAT WITH A HARD NO. THERE IS ALREADY ENOUGH AUTISM IN MY GENES AND I'M NOT FUCKING UP A KID MORE.
EqualResponsibility 5y ago
You have no idea how sperm works. So it’s best you don’t procreate and spread your nonsense.
EqualResponsibility 5y ago
Keep mind that quality in this sense deals with motility and density. Which at the end of the day doesn’t matter that much as long as there is still substantial quantity and enough morality to reach an egg.
Instead of throwing 50 million sperm at a single egg, perhaps only 5 million make it to the egg. It reduced the chances per ejaculate. Which is easily solved by having more sex. Not something a female can do to increase her chances. It’s just not even apples vs apples. It’s like Salt vs Steak. I mean I don’t understand why this person would even talk about this as it’s a false narrative.
HadALifeWouldBeElsew 5y ago
Yes, but actually I was not speaking of motility and density but about quality as " low risk of birth deffect".
EqualResponsibility 5y ago
Yet it’s not that simple. Men’s sperm does not cause greater risks in Downs Syndrome regardless of age. Yet, a greater chance of dwarfism does increase. By 40, that chance is doubled. Note, it’s the chance that’s doubled not the overall percentage. So if it was 0.05% at age 20, it’s now 0.10% at age 40.
Apert disease was also not associated with an increase in age. Sperm motility is actually directly associated with fragmented DNA as men age.
When you say birth defects it’s not as straight forward and simple as it would sound.
I will concede that I did not believe even some birth defects increased in chance but I did research this, hence my tardy reply. It just isn’t to the level of worry though. The base age of “normal DNA” is age 20, with chances for a limited set of birth defects only doubling by age 40, and tripling by age 70. It’s tricky when talking about changes to a percentage to begin with.
Saying a chance of something is double is rather meaningless. One would need to find out what the original chance was to begin with. Lets say the chance of dwarfism, which seems to be the main defect, is 1% st Age 20, then it’s only 2% at age 40, and 3% at age 70. All statistically low.
The main relief to me when researching this is to learn that Down syndrome is not increased with male reproductive age. Neither is Asper syndrome.
Finally, if men are going to reproduce they should stop drinking and smoking. Some how that does seem to mess with the DNA in sperm.
Thanks for making me research this. I learned something new.
SerendipitySociety 5y ago
This is why spinning plates and polygynic culture will improve female happiness and quality of life overall. Obviously it would help high SMV men, too.
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I can’t stand this stat. Ok so they are 60% of degrees, but what % of non worthless degrees?
SerendipitySociety 5y ago
Fewer, men dominate engineering and mathematics and hard sciences of all kinds, except for some niche high-paying medical sciences. Still, a woman with a sociology (or any other) degree is much less likely to partner up with the high school graduate than a woman without any degree, so the original statement holds.
TheDreadnought1 5y ago
At the expense once again of the bottom 80% (or at least 50%) of men
Have you seen the studies about the relation of polygamic societies (polygynic actually, men with multiple wives) and political instability and civil war? The logic is simple: polygamy gives women the option to completely abdicate from these low value men. Men without sex and affection get angry. Dozens of millions of very angry men in a country generates instability and crime, a lot of it. And boom.
I'm not sure if we actually should want to go back to polygyny in our Western world. Shit will hit the fan.
https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war
SerendipitySociety 5y ago
Yes. The bottom is worse than the top.
You're implying that these bottom men deserve to have exclusive relationships with women. I wouldn't even say that about the top men - but I would say that men at the top at least earn more pussy.
This is an organic phenomenon. The only alternative is to force monogamy on men and low-value men upon women. If you force this, you're only going to get more weak-ass beta fucks and feminism. The reason women say "I'm independent and I don't need a man" in monogamous cultures is because the men they need are taken. And women have gotten depressed as shit because of this. And the omega (bottom 20%) men still don't get fucks, so they're not any happier either.
If you keep trying to be egalitarian and make everyone happy, the men and women who don't get paired are still going to go their own way. How many of these school shooters have plates or girlfriends and wives? They're left single even in a monogamous society.
This news is from Africa. Africans are already depressed by crime and warlordism and corrupt governments, in every single monogamous and polygamous African country. Sub-Saharan African natives have low intelligence, haven't innovated to the extent of all other continents, and have sparing access to resources like food and water. Having a sex life isn't the first of their problems or priorities.
For a much better comparison to first world countries, I suggest you look at Mormon fundamentalist groups in America.
RedPill115 5y ago
I don't know that that's true. Men go along with this stuff because they're so desperate for female approval/sex. I'm not sure they'd get into it nearly as easily if they weren't stuck with such a scarcity situation.
It's like the poor dumb whites during slavery - they were broke as fuck, all they had was their race, so they had to keep the black people below them or they'd lose everything they had. But if they had more...maybe they wouldn't have given a shit. It's a lot easier to dodge joining a destructive circlejerk when you have a lot of options, vs not joining meaning you might lose the only thing you have.
Revo_Luzione 5y ago
This is an interesting reframe for me. "Spinning plates is good for women." hmmm. gonna marinate on that for a bit. I see the logic, need to get that one deep into the unconscious mind.
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Because they are being take care of by daddy.
fatboy-slim 5y ago
I wish I had my real dad to teach me all of this while growing up. My mom sort of took his place. This said, I have to admit I got 1 piece of valuable advice. After her second horrible divorce where she absolutely destroyed her ex emotionally and financially, I’m guess she got worried about what the future would bring up for me and my brothers. she said that if I was ever to get married or LTRp, my partner and I should sign a 4 year contract, prenup style with short end date. If after those 4 years, any of the involved parties decided not to renew (for whatever reason) that would be it.
The contract would be a detailed framework which should include EVERYTHING with regards to being a couple and the consequences of breaching the same. (Example: cheating) Sounds harsh but just like any business deal nowadays , contractual agreements are needed.
Long gone are the days in which a simple handshake would seal a deal, and long gone are the day’s in which relationship are worth investing your time and resources. Man have everything to loose!
Reven311 5y ago
Feelsbadman. In that case I am glad to help. I'm sorry to hear about your unfortunate upbringing, makes it hard to thrive in such a cucked up world. Women were meant to be dependent on men for their survival, it's a fact of human nature that we can never escape in the modern world.
neveragoodtime 5y ago
All this shows how poor women are at long term planning. She probably thinks, like many feminists currently, that short term “marriage” contracts would have saved her a lot of trouble when she wanted to get out of her previous marriage. Because what women really want is choice. And choice is contradictory to success. Because success requires making choices, not having choices. Marriage requires making a single decision that affects the rest of your life. Women can go their whole lives without making a single choice. Choices are just made to them. And if they succeed with marriage 3.0, they will have nothing. Because the men they couldn’t commit to, will make a choice to cut dead weight and move on.
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Female happiness is likely decreasing simply because competition has greatly increased and for no other real reason. Honestly the reality of the internet and the creation of the dating market has just shifted the whole element and with or without feminist rhetoric it is significantly harder to find and maintain a partner which is what most women would want. Comparing the 70s to today is foolish.
Ignoring the quality of men or anything else the sheer reality that males want models with digitally edited bodies that are impossible to actually acquire in real-life while also having to face the reality that no one is particularly beautiful in the age of cosmetic miracles they are now competing with one another on a level that pretty much is totally new to humans.
I almost feel bad for them. For men it has not changed much; earn more money, get more fit, be more socially powerful. Same old, same old; it's the entire basis of TRP in the evolutionary sense but women have a new challenge which is to be desirable in an age where sex is cheap, competition is fierce, birthrate is down and general welfare is almost nonexistent for the majority of individuals. And this doesn't even touch on the glaring elements like collegiate inequality or social normative ideals on sex and so forth and so on.
TL;DR: Men are acting retroactively whilst women are facing a totally new threat from themselves.
EumenesOfEfa 5y ago
here in west Germany I see attractive guys marrying left over fat women, so I cannot relate to your post.
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I admit I am not German however that is a very interesting phenomenon. I do have to ask though are there any social perks related to being married in Germany? I know in some places customs like marriage are considered almost patriotic.
Soultrane9 5y ago
Money. You pay lower taxes when married and have more access to free money the more children you have. In Hungary the gov started to hand out a lot of money if you agree in a contract you will have 3 children. Also they drop the woman's student loan - yes just the woman's.
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Interesting... That's a lot of perks!
EumenesOfEfa 5y ago
In Germany you can get world class healthcare and education, the former for a reasonable fee, and the latter for free in most federal states.
About the tendency to marry: in smaller towns and villages, people do still marry young and have children. In larger cities, quite a few women ride the CC up to the age of infertility. When it comes to the Male and Female dynamics, feminism is very strong here, the courts will rip you apart, and most men I have known so far are complete and utter cucks.
I personally enjoy living here , since it is a mix of a functioning economy and a livable, high standard of life environment. However, settling down with a German women is not something that is likely to happen. I actually had three close friends of mine, all of different international backgrounds, who wanted to marry their German LTR's, or have children with their German wives, all after a multiple year relationship. These guys, which all had well paying engineering jobs, were all rejected, since their women wanted to "focus on career". Mind you, that was back in 2009-2010. I cannot imagine this situation improving in any way.
lastly, one trend I have noticed now is well of German man marrying Asian and Latin. Off course that these women are marked here in Germany as "sluts", or "cheap import wives" and so on.
enrico_the_frog 5y ago
Can you try that link again for "women value men's provision abilities 1000x", it goes to an error page.
Reven311 5y ago
https://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(17)30315-X/fulltext
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tempolaca 5y ago
Brain power was always in high demand, or else we wouldn't have it.
Lol, speaking of math...
Reven311 5y ago
You have no idea what you're talking about, but I have no desire to set you straight either.