We're at this bar, smoking cigs on the balcony--myself, her, and a few of my buddies-- when this guy comes up and starts macking on her. He strolls up like, "Sorry I think you dropped something... my jaw."
Whatever. Dudes will flirt. I'm standing there, lightly grilling him on his nerdy cashmere sweater, not really paying him mind. However, I notice my girl starts making heavy eye contact with him. At one point, he's holding out this peppermint candy to her, asking, "You want it?" My girl says: "Feed it to me." While looking him dead in the eyes. There was no mistake: it was seductive af. I also noticed she was lightly running her fingertips up his stomach/torso.
At this point, I grab her HARD by the forearm, yank her over to the side, and say, "Do NOT fucking disrespect me like that. Ever." "Do you want me to walk on you?" etc. Suddenly, flirty-boy's posse steps up and they're like, "Don't touch her yo." "Why you being rough with her?" etc.
I tell them to mind their business and they back off. I'm fucking pissed, so, I storm off to the staircase (the balcony at this bar was upstairs). My friends are downstairs ordering drinks. I find them and prepare to leave as my girl's coming up behind me. I'm completely ignoring her and she's crying. We're starting to walk out and she's getting increasingly hysterical, shouting at me, saying, "You have no idea how much I've given up for you! I cut off everyone!"
We continue walking down the street; her yelling and crying, me ignoring her, my friends awkwardly walking ahead of us. At one point I start splitting off in the other direction from her, to head to my friend's house, and she goes: "FINE!"
Not even 10 seconds later she comes running back up to me. Pleading. "I can't do this" she sobs.
Eventually she gets really fucking hysterical (especially after I told her to fuck off) and at this point it's a legit scene. We're standing in the goddamn pouring rain and she's yelling and crying, her fucking makeup running everywhere. Repeating the same excuses over and over. She's saying sorry, and yet, also proclaiming she "doesn't remember" and "doesn't know what she did."
Anyways. That night was the 1st time she told me she loves me. Neither of us had said it before over the 8 months we've been seeing each other (and we did have an LTR for a short period).
Did I overreact here? From my retelling of the story it may sound like it, but all I did was swiftly reprimand her then ignore her. The other 80% of the time was her meltdown.
Frame is king.
jeantomic 5y ago
Huh. BRO. Bro. bRo. Brrroospehinaaa.. drama queen alert. Leave! ABORT! ABORT!
goodalex123 5y ago
Good shit bro don't let that sweater wearing troglodyte steal yo girl. At least you did something instead of letting it happen.
frisbm3 5y ago
You lost your cool before even letting her know you weren't happy with what she was doing. If she's a good person, she'll understand that you're not comfortable with the situation and she will apologize and stop. You never gave her that chance. So you're the ass in this situation, underreacting and then overreacting.
blustack10 5y ago
This is Gay. The first time she tells you she loves you is after she hit on some other guy. Picked a winner
Good luck
COORDOORS 5y ago
went through all this over and over for years until i found TRP.
hard next this girl into oblivion and swallow the pill nigga.
Halitenina 5y ago
An EC brought this thread to my attention saying that it was misflaired (LTR, should have been Blue Pill Example). His comment was probably a cute way of saying "hey, this post is shit and should be removed".
I agree.
However, while OP certainly didn't react properly, I'm going to leave it up because there's some good discussion going in the comments.
Check it out.
Retstortion 5y ago
TLDR, dump that bitch you faggot. That’s disrespect beyond levels of recovery. I would’ve lost my shit.
Don’t speak to her again after that. She gave you the ultimate level of disrespect might as well have made out with him in front of you.
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Yea this isn’t “regular” female hypergamy. As fucked up as women are today most won’t do this shit in front of you. This is just straight up massive disrespect.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 5y ago
Only 8 months and she claims she's cut everyone out for you? She isn't a girlfriend just an ltr right? Bust her down to a plate and when it comes time for her to break, let her break. Invest no emotion in her, she did this with you standing right there; Imagine what she would do if you weren't.
As for did you overreact, yeah you kinda did but I wouldn't say you did horribly. The A response would have been you realizing she has been demoted and to go start hitting on other girls.
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Deep_freeze202 5y ago
A LTR is just that, a relationship with a woman that extends over a longer period of time than something more casual, it doesn't necessitate anything more than being involved with a woman. A girlfriend is a woman you are invested in thus the title and not simply a vague relationship which could be as simple as a fuck buddy or friends with benefits situation.
drty_pr 5y ago
LTR = Long Term Relationship
I'm a married man and I can have girlfriends. I can't have LTRs.
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randomthrowaway69420 5y ago
I think he means girlfriend or a mistress
drty_pr 5y ago
Friends that are girls - friends
LTR - Long Term Relationship
Girlfriend - Someone you fuck whom you also enjoy their friendship
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 5y ago
A girlfriend to me is a committed long term relationship with one girl but long term relationships are non-exclusive
Neurotia 5y ago
Watch out, this guy is anti-science
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 5y ago
I just don't care about your soy, boy.
2gunsgetsome 5y ago
What she says, vs
What she does. Especially the touching.
Instead of getting pissy and physical, this should amuse you. You're the prize, remember? She doesn't want to be exclusive anymore? Fuck yeah, you get to go fuck the other girls who want a turn. Don't get angry that she disrespected you, recognize that she chose to do it and adjust your actions accordingly. Why she did it is unimportant, only the fact that she did.
You don't control her choices or actions, but you do control your response to and tolerance of them.
Calmly tell her "Hey. My girlfriend doesn't flirt with other dudes." Then revert your behavior back to FWB mode, or whatever you want to do.
It is. And yours crumbled.
justgotalpha 5y ago
You lost frame but its fine just ghost the hoe for good..and when she comes around which she will at some point tell her you just want sex and nothing else!!
fukdembitches 5y ago
Shes loopy bruv, anyway if you had frame you should have played that bitch by doggying her then should have told her to fuck off after that.
NYdude92 5y ago
I enjoy BPE posts, so that I can learn what NOT to do.
Great lesson, OP.
EqualFaithlessness 5y ago
Nah man, you didn't do anything wrong.
Seems like you guys need to sit down and hash things out if anything. There were obviously some pent up feelings on her end. And I wouldn't blame you if that didn't interest you at all and you dipped for good, because I would. I don't take that shit.
Morphs_ 5y ago
She uses the "I love you" as an 'escape jail for free' card. Pure example of a women that cannot love. Purely manipulative words to prevent you from dumping.
This stuff tells a lot. Apparently she can excuse herself from any behavior by simply "forgetting". What a bs.
Please keep us updates on your decision. The way you describe the scene with her getting wet from that other dude you only have the option to demote or dump.
redpillchill 5y ago
this. my ex acted out in very similar ways. I can tell you that if you stay with her she'll just do it again and again.
don't let her ruffle your emotions. the moment that happens you lose.
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You did it wrong. You should have let her get away with it then cut her off with no explanation.
This happened to me years ago. I caught my girlfriend at the time eyefucking a guy. I dropped her off that night. Blocked her in my phone and moved on with life.
Frich3 5y ago
thats not frame at all my man. if anything you played into her hands by acting emotional, like someone who doesn't have other options. The moment she started flirting you should have quietly and calmly finished your drink, told all your boys goodbye, and hell even introduced yourself to her new fuckbuddy before leaving. She's his problem now.
P.S she has no respect for you if she openly flirts with you inches away. Move on
TheRealJesusChristus 5y ago
Yeah, you could go to this guy and introduce you as „Hi Im <your name>. I see you got to know my girlfriend? (Doesnt matter if she is just say so). Have fun with her, I have to go now, bye!“and just go.
Or you could have just gone to your friend and drink your drink with them, and go away without telling her. She seeks someone else as protector, well then you have made your job and are no longer needed. So enjoy some free time and hit on other girls.
The second option is better imo
AngelesFrancisco 5y ago
You have won that battle, but the war is still not over.
You did a pretty decent job at handling yourself and keeping your woman in line and letting her know the boundaries. As for the "posse", their behavior is typical of most un-confident men. They lack the self-sufficiency to handle conflict on their own, hence their need to have others back them up against one other guy.
But for the long term, this incident is a bad sign that your gf is not exactly the loyal type. If she is going to humiliate you in public, she will most certainly try again. Now I am not sure what your history is with her, but this is my judgement based off of what you said only in this post.
My advice would be to keep rolling with this momentum. You won that round and clearly have the upper hand. With the momentum, you should end the relationship as soon as possible. Time is a valuable resource. The time you spend with her could be time spent on meeting other girls, studying, etc.
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Point 1: Your girlfriend is a whore. I cannot even fathom dating a girl that would run her hands up another guy’s stomach and tell him to feed her in front of me.
Point 2: Obviously in a sane society grabbing your girlfriend’s arm and yelling at her after she behaved like a slut in front of you would not be a big deal, but we no longer live in that society. This is a good way to get yourself arrested in 2018. Should’ve taken out your phone and deleted her number in front of her face, then walked out of the bar.
TinyManufacturer 5y ago
You lost the second you lost your temper. If you gotta put hands on someone to keep them with you then you lose. You didn't hold frame because you shouldn't have given a shit if she went with the other dude, instead you should have looked for someone worth your time. You got a scarcity mentality.
Girl isn't as invested as you are. Spin the plate and move on.
Exanova 5y ago
"when this guy comes up and starts macking on her. He strolls up like, "Sorry I think you dropped something... my jaw."
Whatever..."
Whatever?!! It was at this very moment you should look at the guy with big smile and friendly say "she's mine." At this point, your girl can like this and you win, or your girl can dislike this and she is the one looking slutty, you win too and dodge a bullet by leaving her
throwawayred521 5y ago
It's a woman's job to redirect flirtatious advances just like it's your job to sock a guy if he disrespects her/becomes pushy.
She didn't do her part, in fact she took it to very disrespectful level. You did fine by setting up your boundaries.
Don't promote her past plate.
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mcpotsmoker 5y ago
I understand what everyone is saying but this is not a situation to walk away from. If this is a gf, ltr or any girl for that matter, walking away during a situation like this makes you a massive bitch. That's not dread game, it's refusing to stand your ground and running from confrontation. All I hear is everyone advocating being a cuck. OP walks away and his gf is gonna be fucking someone else all night. Where's your own self respect?
OP did not respond appropriately. In those situations you have to have the confidence to calmly but assertively tell this dude to fuck off, then deal with the woman in the same manner. What kind of boundaries have you set over the course of your relationship? The bitch in the scenario is definitely a girl I'd promptly leave afterwards, she has no respect for you, not even plate status worthy. BUT, you are a man, act like one. If someone tries to steal your watch, you don't walk away saying take it I'll just buy a better one. Stand up for yourself without the over emotional response.
THEnimble_mongoose 5y ago
Sounds like an abusive and unproductive and negative relationship for both parties, you and your girl. work on yourself dude. You should not be in a relationship with anyone until you fix your shit. Get your anger in check and sort yourself out.
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Lmao what? None of this is holding frame. You allow yourself to feel miserable over some girl who doesn't care about you as much as you care about her.
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You didn't hold frame pal, you lost your shit and you look like an abusive ass in public too. Jeeze us.
satansheat 5y ago
Yeah. Her saying she has cut all ties with other people is the first sign of an abusive relationship. Trying to isolate them from friends.
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Yeah I know this type of conversation is avoided on this sub. What I would say is that I agree this guy seems abusive, by first getting physical and also by this standard.
I think it would be good to understand that guys like this don't intend to be abusive. But rather, their lack of abundance / self esteem makes them hold on insecurely to women like this for fear of being alone.
Scotttttyyyyyyy 5y ago
Putting hands on her is a loss of frame, as others have said. Next slide
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Immediate downgrade to plate status, never to return.
Mate guarding; never a good thing and in this case you nearly got your ass beaten. No observer knows or cares what the woman did to provoke it.
Best option would be to walk away and leave the venue, then refuse to speak to her for days if at all.
Archterus 5y ago
Agree. I would add that the polarity of 'I love you' and 'I have cut myself off from everyone' and the ensuing drama engages my borderline personality radar. OP, hit the sidebar entry of 'How to manage your bitches'. It is all there. Your aim is to repeat, rinse, repeat, internalise.
'She doesn't remember'. Good bye. Next thing she will forget the consent she enthusiastically gave you whilst sword swallowing last night.
nhlfod21 5y ago
I thought borderline personality disorder too! Seconded.
Black_m0ngoose 5y ago
Let's be honest- there is a rot in OPs foundation if he allowed himself to be put into such a position in the first place.
The girl should've been nexted long before she had the opportunity to suck strawberries off of some dude's fingers.
What does it say about OPs frame if the guy walked up to "his girl" and made the OP the look like a tool?
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
This might or might not be true; all we have to work with is what OP wrote. I'd rather not blame OP for his GF's bad behavior and decisions without proof that his frame until now led directly to it.
It was either a shit test, by a woman not very committed to him; or more likely just a shitty woman when it comes to commitment. Ultimately, we can't control the behavior of others, we control ourselves and our reactions.
Zech4riah 5y ago
Either OP has a weak frame and he fucked up earlier in the relationship or he made a bad choice. Either way - The fail is on him.
You are sound like you are trying to make his girl accountable of her actions related to sexual/romantic relationships.
suffercure101 5y ago
What should have one done in op's situation then? When she said "feed it to me"... what should he have done instead of grabbing her and yelling at her??
Merwebb 5y ago
Nothing. Laugh it off, internally thank the guy for making you realize what a bitch YOU are to her and that you still have a lot to learn and do, and just keep enjoying the venue.
Or leave, or whatever. But not that
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There’s nothing to be done. At any other time in history you would smack her across the face, but obviously you can’t do that in 2018. Just cut her out of your life.
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AIC2374 5y ago
Should I flirt with other girls in front of her?
GodOfDinosaurs 5y ago
Ignore it and then afterwards calmly explain that he won't tolerate that and if anything remotely like that happens again he will leave her. OR just ignore it and calmly next her right then and there. Getting emotional just comes off as weak and insecure.
juliusstreicher 5y ago
Explaining what he wont tolerate would just show him to be a bitch. She already dissed him big time. About the only thing worse she could have done was suck off the interloper and his crew.
She crossed the line as clearly as I've ever heard of it being crossed. If not a Permanent downgrade, she should be Hard Nexted.
Archterus 5y ago
My ideal. Laugh and say she is all yours brother. Turn and walk. Do NOT look back. Radio silence. Displays abundance and treats her like a soiled possession left out on the kerb.
Flying_Wingback 5y ago
Yup, this one seems to be the best option, shit test or not
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Study up on Dread Game and the various levels. Best to calibrate it to use the lowest effective level without going over.
no92 5y ago
I agree. The answer is somewhere in between what the replies here say.
However, a girl who respects you will not be doing this shit with random strangers. There's absolutely no shame in just walking away rather than trying to dread or work your way out of this situation.
Angu_jungle_poo 5y ago
Exactly. just say something like, 'Alright then miss slutty!!!' grinning, looking straight at the guy. Cue intense downward stare at her 'Is this why I brought you out tonight ? To disrespect me?'
Cue long akward wait. Goes either way, either she's dreaded and begs forgiveness or you walk out saying 'have fun tonight' hahaha.
*got a bit carried away thinking about this, is such a funny situation
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You walk away and break up with the bitch. Simple.
Grimsterr 5y ago
Short answer is the correct answer, this situation was 100% unrecoverable when she started eye fucking the guy, saying "feed it to me" just put the icing on the cake. Make a light hearted IDGAF quip to the guy, and extract yourself from the situation immediately and without fan fare. Acting like a mate guarding whiny little bitch is definitely not the thing to do.
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Sometimes you get with a ho. When she shows you she's a ho, chalk it up to a lesson learned. Sometimes you don't know she's a ho right away so you can't make that assessment right off the bat, BUT... This is why we say no LTR or, at the very least, spin plates until one undoubtedly earns an upgrade.
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suffercure101 5y ago
hmmm... I wonder where I should go in order to learn that... retard.
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Black_m0ngoose 5y ago
Which you displayed none of here.
Your actions and reactions were completely dictated by this women.
Standing out in the rain? Really? Let the clown soak herself- get your ass out of the rain and get a cup of coffee. Seriously. Priorities.
You're not her boyfriend- you're her bitch.
EvieBeast 5y ago
LOL you afraid of rain? whos the bitch?
Black_m0ngoose 5y ago
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
james3374 5y ago
LMAO! Yeah, this guy held frame alright.
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As a vet, I have to question this guy. All the SF types I've known wouldn't lose their cool this bad over that guy's comment. I'm wondering if you aren't a keyboard warrior. If you really are SF, regain your composure, and regain your self-respect by deleting the garbage above. If you are what you say you are, its far beneath you.
cunt-wipe 5y ago
go back to like 2007 retard
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EvieBeast 5y ago
gorilla warfare? monkey poop flinging?
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EvieBeast 5y ago
LOL these guys responding are faggots, like all redpillers iam just here for the LOLS
atticusfinch1973 5y ago
Someone who has zero frame talking about how frame is king.
About twenty better ways you could have handled that situation. Sidebar beckons
Bretty64 5y ago
You grabbed her by the forearm and yanked her hard? That’s assault, if you are having trouble with women have a look at your own behaviour first. NEVER touch a woman like that.
Grimsterr 5y ago
At that point you clasp him on the shoulder "you got this bro, she's totally into you, and I know for a FACT she's single" and then bounce. Instead you just went full retard, never go full retard.
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SovereignSoul76 5y ago
At that point you clasp him on the shoulder "you got this bro, she's totally into you, and I know for a FACT she's single" and then bounce.
This guy wins the comment section.
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StuttBuffer 5y ago
That’s not the type of disrespect you can correct bro. You’re only option is to walk.
searcher612 5y ago
Everyone here is pointing out how the bitch disrespected you. I bet it was obvious she was with you, you can correct me if I am wrong but I bet it was obvious. Thus, he disrespected you also.
You may have lost your cool a bit - oh well - most people would.
Good for you standing up for yourself and not backing down with this guy and his posse. That's pretty rare, nowadays actually.
I say no plate, no nothing. Move on entirely. Cut all contact immediately. As said by another comment, that is the ultimate ego crusher. Any girl who'd be in a LTR with you, for 8 months, and do that openly in front of you ... seriously ... run. Don't look back, just run.
askmrcia 5y ago
I am with you 100%. And for anyone else reading this shit about holding frame, well guess what?
I was in this exact same situation before and that shit will only work for so long. Because what happened in my situation was that she kept doing it to see how far she go with it and eventually I had to "end it."
If a chick disrespects you outright like this... MOVE THE FUCK ON. No plating or anything.
searcher612 5y ago
No, there is a difference between holding frame and when someone out right disrespects you. Period. You stodd up by telling the posse to mind there own business and also as far as her, sure you got emotional.
What matters most is what you do next - which to me would mean nothing short of total complete contact being cut. No plate, nothing. No explanation. Over. Learn from it and move on.
It is indeed her job to cut down the flirting attempts immediately. Also though, the guy was out right asking for trouble, period. On top of the rest, she does it in front of a few of your friends?
Best thing for you to learn is better screening of women (for LTR). Otherwise seems fine, just cut contact now.
eaeulis 5y ago
the disrespect from your girl smh!
kez88 5y ago
What are you talking about Frame is king. You lost frame, hard. Grabbing her by the forearm, trying to shit talk the guys sweater screams insecurity. Drop this chick your with, she obviously doesn't respect you, and giving her an ultimatum after she already did this to you screams you have no power. Powerful people don't need to give ultimatums.
Go back to the drawing board about how you act and who you are, because what you were doing with this chick clearly didn't work too well.
suffercure101 5y ago
Why did she disrespect you in the first place? Ltr? she doesn't sound deserving of one.
magx01 5y ago
Dude, it's biology. Your ltr is an unnatural thing; you can't blame her for her nature. You fucked up.
CapnPoot 5y ago
7.5/10 handling of the situation. The whole point of her behavior was to see how it breaks your character, and it did for a bit, although you ended it in your favor.
10/10 behavior would be to lol, wink at her, then walk away without ever responding to any of her calls/messages again. Ghosting a girl who fucked up on a bad note will melt their ego for centuries to come.
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THIS. OP shouldn't get a 7.5 though because he played right into her hand be getting emotional and reactive. Dumb move, as she was likely trying to elicit said reaction. Best response is always ghost or plate.
Tenth_10 5y ago
She was testing him, that is a certainty. Getting angry wasn't the best reply he could have given her.
zealanderx 5y ago
She did disrespect you- badly...
It will happen again in the future. And she will blame you for things like, "do you know how much I have given up for you?" She will make you feel like a bad dude or whatever,
I am sorry man, but she's a leecher... she's desperate and needy. She's afraid to let you go. If I were in your place, and this woman did this to me right in from of my face... a switch goes, "off." We are done.
She told another man in a gay sweater to "feed that mint to you?" Seductively? Ultimate disrespect.
I wouldn't even plate her, fuuuuuuuck that get some one else immediately. This is why I posted a note the other day that even when you are in a LTR you need to be pinging other girls regularly so you can smash another chick immediately after you break up with this girl... because guess what? If you leave her now, it won't be 2 hours before she can have another man in her bed.
Don't let her play you like this. Sorry man, this sucks but she's not high value... she lacks confidence, conviction and purpose- and it's your fault not being enough of a leader to inspire this in her.
Get back to basics.
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Mate guarding never works. I would have pulled her aside to let her know I leaving because her behavior was an embarrassment and beneath me. I’d say something like “you are into that dude, I get it it. You should stay. If your night goes as he has planned you should send me a video of him face fucking you a little later.” See you around. Then I would attempt to quietly leave then ignore her for a week.
suffercure101 5y ago
by this point i realized that its gonna get cucky.
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Actually you just pooped in the pool so she can’t touch him without proving you are right and you are the opposite of jealous.
I learned this maneuver when a wise older alpha pulled it on me and the girl couldn’t “prove him right by talking to me.”
blackedoutfast 5y ago
terrible advice. girls are dumb bro. they don't understand sarcasm like dudes.
if you say shit like this to one of them and then leave there's a good chance she will be like "hmm ok" and then go fuck the other dude and send you a video of it because she thought you were serious.
Graelasting 5y ago
Who gives a shit bitch a plate
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Chillock 5y ago
You did the best you could though you shouldn't have grabbed her especially in front of other people. You should have thought of some way to deflect the situation if possible.
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broscientologist 5y ago
Anyone who takes food/bev from strangers at a club is extremely naive
dinnerwithfunions 5y ago
She was testing to see what she could get away with and see how beta you are. You handled it well by not tolerating her BS.
Any woman worth LTR status knows how to deflect flirting. It’s not impossible for her to tell a guy to buzz off. If you’ve been rejected by a woman before you know this.
People are giving OP shit for mateguarding but honestly what’s the difference between letting her know how it is then and there and “being calm about it” if anything righteous (non violent) anger gets the point across to a woman. And if you’re “calm about it” she’ll just think she can say “sorry” then go do it again.
Sir_Distic 5y ago
Mate guarding would be pulling her aside to remind her "you are mine!" as OP did.
Simply letting her know how it is would be looking right at him and saying "If you want her, you can have her. There are other girls here." Then look right at her and smile. See what she does. Does her frame break first? Yep. Because she'll get mad or sad. while you're smiling and showing her you can walk she'll be fighting to prove she doesn't want you to.
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ProFriendZoner 5y ago
I thought Christian was supposed to be the Alpha Chad? What a cuck!
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Elliquin 5y ago
IMO, you went a little far, but good on you for having the balls to make your displeasure with her behaviour known.
warthundersfw 5y ago
So mate guarding is never the answer? Any girl who hits 5 shots of vodka will flirt. Even the unicorniest of girls. So what do you do? Do you control how much she drinks? If she drinks too much oops lost a good one? Genuinely wondering if mate guarding is really never the answer.
Graelasting 5y ago
If you’re actually taking a girl who knocks back 5 shots in public seriously enough to fear “losing” her for some reason then you are a motherfucking xylophone and need to get played as a character-developing life lesson
the bitch is already long lost
Graelasting 5y ago
By freaking out like a panicked monkey you conveyed a message that you’re not sure you could easily get another girl to instantly replace her if she disappeared or dropped dead tomorrow, which should be your default state. Too emotional. Too needy. Weak frame. 1/10. Get more options and stop caring so much.
no92 5y ago
To be clear this is an example of not holding frame and the girl saying I love you after fucking up is emotional manipulation 101. Hope op wakes up before he gets cucked further.
PurpleVeteran 5y ago
If this is the first time this kind of thing happened (especially if she's young), maybe she got carried away by the attention, and just needed a reminder that you don't tolerate this shit. Or maybe she really was interested in the guy. Or maybe she was testing you. Still, if she's giving him eyes and touching him in front of you, then she's probably not worth your time. From her tone afterword, she already resents you and it's just a matter of time before she moves on (or gives you another reason to leave her).
That said, you blew your cool and overreacted. There's no reason to get physical, except complete loss of frame. If you can't AA/AM your way out of this situation, then just STFU or leave. Besides, grabbing her gives Chad a chance to white knight you and just makes your friends uncomfortable. Frame is not always about words and actions, but simply removing yourself from situation and biding your time.
As for the argument in the rain... whatever. You're pissed, she's defensive. Pulling out the "I Love You" card is not only manipulative, but IMO, too late -- shit's already happened. Plate her or drop her.
subthrowaway321 5y ago
Demote to plate status. You can go down the ladder, but never back up. Imagine what she does when you aren't around. You realize that if she is willing to do this in front of you, she is probably fucking other guys. Demote to plate, and she can never become ltr material again. You can go down a notch, but once they fuck up like that, you can never go back up. I believe the order is, one night stand, fwb, plate, relationship. You were in a relationship, it may not have been committed, but you were if it went eight months. So, you demote her, and she never gets the chance to be relationship material again. She showed you her true colors, and that was only the stuff when you were standing right in front of her. Again, imagine what would have happened had he approached her and you weren't there. I guarantee he would have touched the puss.
Morphs_ 5y ago
plate comes before fwb. Plate is basically only seeing each other for sex. FwB also includes going on dates, doing other stuff, etc.
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With very little context it's hard to say. If you are super controlling and have isolated her from her friends and anyone except for you, then you have a problem and she was testing you and the relationship and completely misjudged how you would react.
If you're both freely in a give and take relationship that is monogamous and mutually respectful, then what she did was just wrong and she deserved what she got. That smacks of extreme manipulation and you should move on.
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Unfortunately I think you looked weak in her eyes and every male there.
redisthetruth 5y ago
Seems like she's looking for another branch to swing to....
Start hitting up other women.
You don't owe women anything. Cut it off anytime you feel like it.
Also, I think you did overreact. I would have just walked away, and been done with the girl for the most part. I'm not investing any more emotion than I need to, when the girl clearly doesn't respect me.
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Sir_Distic 5y ago
Wrong! That could have ended with you getting your ass kicked and landing in jail. Don't grab her. Tap her shoulder and motion her over to the side to talk calmly. Talk down to her a little bit. Not too much. But don't grab or yank or yell.
miller211 5y ago
She seems pretty immature dude, or in real need of attention...
swisscheesyboi 5y ago
Way too emotional. You need her more than she needs you, and you look out of control. Key is to be powerful but in control. Also, leave her. Why tf you with a girl who disrespects you like that. Get one that’ll tell the guy to piss off.
IBeMadToo 5y ago
"My b*tch flirt with an entertainer, he can have her" - Royce da 5'9"; Mode II
If your chick is doing that shit right in front of you, she definitely isn't worth having around. I'd have left and deleted all contact.
mmajkd69 5y ago
Whatever relationship you had with her is over and has been for a while judging by her behavior. You need to come to terms with that and next her quick . For the sake of all parties involved .
Ifuckdurwifen1gga 5y ago
Straight up mad disrespect man, she better plead for the keep, otherwise hard next
blackbeardbastard 5y ago
She'll do it again anyway, especially if he takes her back. Girls tend to respect you even less if you "forgive" them after they act like hookers and later want to get back with you.
Move on, forget about her. She said "I love you" just to keep you around, don't fall for that.
S-Blaze 5y ago
Guys will tell you that you lost frame and shit, which you did, but you walked away and showed her that you thought that your relationship was ''special'' which is why she broke into tears and got hysterical upon realizing that. Neither of you confessed love in 8 months. It's good to be redpill but if you want a ltr you need to sprinkle some love spice. Don't expect a girl to be head over heels for you if you don't make things ''special''and you just treat her like a plate.
AIC2374 5y ago
I'm getting a lot of mixed responses re: how I handled this.
Realistically, to the people who say "don't mate guard": doesn't that just come off as weak? Was I supposed to just sit there and take it? Believe me, I've been in the position to mate guard before. 99% of times it's avoided. I let the chumps blow themselves out. But this situation is different. It's about correcting her behavior, no?
Also, did I not get the desired outcome? She had a fucking mental breakdown in the street at the thought of losing me. Told me she loved me, had been trying to tell me for months, etc. Also expressed her dismay that I never said I love her.
Squirmme 5y ago
You’re not wrong for telling her she disrespected you, but you did it in a way that broke your frame.
Her telling her she loves you was a card she had been holding onto for months. She was about to lose you so she did her act and played it. People are saying to drop her or keep her only as a plate because otherwise she will treat you like this again and your cycle with her will repeat.
[deleted] 5y ago
Listen, you are clearly young so let me explain this: YOU DON'T WANT A WOMAN LIKE THIS. Only a low quality woman feels like this. It is the same behavior that you displayed all night -- insecurity and desperation.
A woman with value and a high sense of self worth is never going to go ratchet in order to get you back. You didn't win. You made her pull out her trump card (the embarrassing public freakout) and you caved right in and thought you won.
Marcus1138 5y ago
You failed to show abundance mentality and outcome independence, two fundamental pillars of frame.
When your girl wants to be with another dude, that's her choice. By trying to prevent it you're showing that not only did you lose her, you also lack the ability to get a new girl and will try to hold onto a shitty relationship for as long as possible.
I know this is easier said than done, but you just have to put your feelings aside and move on. She'd rather be with someone else, that's fine - you shouldn't care because you should be able to replace her.
juliusstreicher 5y ago
Dude! How blind can you be??? "Trying for months..."??? I've been cucked before, but, you put me to shame!
She's trying to manipulate you...doing a good job of it too!
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Women are like puppies. I didn't realize this until I got a little corgi pup (he's awesome).
Training puppy: You praise and reward good behaviors by having a key word, known as a marker - I use "Yes!". Then I give him a treat.
Bad behavior, you do NOT yell or scold them, you ignore them. If you yell or scold the puppy when it misbehaves, it learns that the behavior gets it attention. It wants attention because it is a puppy. The best thing to do is to walk away and ignore the puppy and it will quickly learn that that certain behavior does not achieve its desired result of gaining attention.
Same thing with bitches.
Don't ever lay your hands on a woman, especially in public. No, I'm not white-knighting here, I'm telling you that you just hurt yourself. You look bad. You look out of control and therefore, you look weak. Also, don't give her a shred of credibility to cry abuse at you. Ever. Stupid on your part, seriously. Stupid.
"she had a fucking mental breakdown in the street"
Are you fucking kidding me? This is your "desired" outcome? this is bluepill fanfiction bro. get out of here, you write it like it's some fantastic romantic comedy moment. This is dysfunctional as fuck. You two don't belong together as this sounds super toxic to me.
AIC2374 5y ago
Ah goddamn. Well I appreciate the feedback. I'll meditate on this.
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