Intro
Unlike my other posts which have the "Building Power" flair, this one is going to be more centered around theory. This will be a short post that discusses girls and their personalities.
Disclaimer: I am not the most pimping, Casanova man. However, I have worked on myself for over half a year, transformed my personality, frame, physique, knowledge base, and more. You can say I'm now a "RP Man".
Body
Between the time I began this journey and where I am at now, I have noticed one thing regarding interactions with girls. When you first begin, have little frame, are skinny fat, no game, etc., your personality and opinions don't matter. People may ask you what you think about a certain topic or your opinion on something (out of kindness), but the truth is, they don't really give a shit. When you don't have that presence and magnetism, nobody really cares what you think. Girls do not give TWO SHITS what you think when you're a low SMV guy-compare this with what I describe below.
Post RP
Congrats, you have been working on yourself, improving, gaming, etc. and have become more RP yourself. The interactions with girls and guys alike, transforms completely. When you are a high SMV guy with confidence, charisma, all of the dominant personality traits: your opinion becomes truth. What do I mean by this? If you're a high SMV guy, girls will lie, change their mind, do anything, just to agree with you.
Example/FR
One of my plates was over the other day and I was telling her how we had cake at work.
Plate: What type of cake?
Me: Reese's peanut butter cheesecake
Plate: Eww, that's too heavy, peanut butter and chocolate and cheesecake, I don't like that combo! I would feel gross afterwards.
Me: I like Reeses.
Plate: Oh, me too! It tastes really good!
Me: I literally just looked at her with an "are you retarded" look
Plate: nervous/awkward laugh
This may seem like an insignificant thing, but it made me realize this: if she gives a shit about being agreeable and having the same opinion on SOMETHING AS FUCKING STUPID AS CAKE, then what other things is she lying about? What parts of her personality are her own, and which parts are a reflection of me? I've caught her doing this multiple times before, but it wasn't as obvious, so I shook it off. It's not like this is some low SMV ugly girl, when she dolls up, she's HB8. After this experience, I felt sick to my stomach.
My Theory
When you're a high SMV guy, the girl's personality becomes yours. She'll take on your hobbies, your interests. She even takes on your likes and dislikes, your opinions. I think the takeaway here is:
When that plate eventually breaks, don't feel as if you "lost someone that understood you SO much!!!" In fact, this has been my experience with every girl that's been into me. The reason I get hooked is not only because of them being cute or hot, it's because "they understand me SOOOOOO well." This makes me think there's some "deep connection" between us, which I'm now beginning to realize is fabricated bullshit. When you're high SMV, GIRLS are scared of LOSING YOU, not the other way around. They'll do anything (not just sexually), to keep you.
Fuck.... I'm gonna go lift now.
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midgetpooooo 6y ago
Yes, the phrase goes something like "you're the type of guy she's into now." Meaning she's into a guy who treats her the way you are now, until she finds another kind of guy who gives her the tingles. That's a part of the whole 'women never knowing what they want.'
magx01 6y ago
"Me: Reese's peanut butter cheesecake
Plate: Eww, that's too heavy, peanut butter and chocolate and cheesecake, I don't like that combo! I would feel gross afterwards.
Me: I like Reeses.
Plate: Oh, me too! It tastes really good!
Me: I literally just looked at her with an "are you retarded" look"
This was NOT a contradiction.
tinydickbigballs 6y ago
It's not her personality becoming yours, it just seems that way. What it really is is a manifestation of something much more basic, which is her accepting your frame as her present reality.
a_desert_creature 6y ago
Well said. She unconsciously moulds herself to your frame.
tinydickbigballs 6y ago
Correct. But if you think about it, all frame-entering is unconscious, to the extent that they understand it differently. No girl is thinking “I am going to enter his reality and forget my own, I play by his rules now”. This is how we understand it. She is thinking “oh he really is as cool as he acts” or “he’s the real deal”. Holding frame authenticates the woman’s assumption that when a good looking, confident acting guy approaches her, he is not “faking it” or weird.
But we know strong frame will LITERALLY bend a woman to fit your wants, and how much further this can take us than my previously stated examples. Can you think of any examples where a woman consciously decides to “mold herself to our frame?”
a_desert_creature 6y ago
Absolutely. When she's trying to angle for a one-way exchange, for example a gold digger.
For how oblivious they are about their real desires, they can be incredibly manipulative when trying to get something. This includes faking frame. I have only run into a few women like this, but they are life-threateningly dangerous to the man who can't spot them.
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Store_Front_Door 6y ago
It's an unconscious action, that can be seen between males also. When someone is charismatic, interesting and dominating the conversation, other people will usually start mimicking his posture, for example if the AMOG leans back and spreads his arms, it's very likely that people that are listening to him will soon do the same.
Ultimate_Mindset 6y ago
Yes. This is true. I have no experience with girls but I've always been wondering about the real truth behind the female attraction. It brakes my illusion of true love. The thing is the girls will go for the guy who is wanted by other girls, that is so shallow but we go for ass and titties so it makes sense. This is the information loop that gets screwed up: A guy with a girl just thinks she loves him for him when in fact he just represented himself with the right kind of image (high SMV) and he tells other guys that she just likes him, so we the guys think we lack something, no girl ever just liked us. So we dont improve because the direction what to do is nowhere. So some are lucky enough to 'get it' when they can still believe in love and some of us will only 'get it' when we truly accept the reality how it is: It's all a system. Its mechanics of our lives. Lets face it.
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You seem to be stuck in the high school mindset of relationships That a girl always goes for the ''popular guy'' and that guys are all about physical attraction. I'm a female and i dont believe in those. Personally nothing is more attractive to me than when a guy is really into me, and only me, and shows it. Guys will usually give up after a while if they're only attracted to looks but when a guy sticks around and keep chasing then you know he's genuine and those guys are keepers for sure!
nofilmynofucky 6y ago
Girls don't have personality, not the way men understand it.
A woman is much more fluid in her desire to adapt to fit with the majority. It's a simple survival trait. Men, (or at least the ones who aren't faggots), are very different.
a_desert_creature 6y ago
I'm not convinced this is conscious on their part. Women seem to mould themselves to the most dominant male in their group. They are genuinely interested in the things you're interested in, and take great pleasure in sharing them with you. I doubt any of this is feigned.
If you have ever noticed how much a woman changes after an LTR, you will know what I mean.
wrightm403 6y ago
If they are genuinely interested in what you are, then they will keep it up when you leave. Sadly l don't think that's the case most often
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People in general mold themselves to the dominant person in whatever group they're in. Guys do it too and its frankly hilarious to see a guy lose their frame around you.
a_desert_creature 6y ago
I need to get better at consciously noticing people's frames. Any advice?
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Immune2DNP 6y ago
I think if the SMV disparity is too large, or there’s too much dread and not enough comfort, this will always be an issue. It’s not blue pill to want a fucking girl with a personality, don’t take TRP so literally. It’s not always either alpha or beta, RP or BP.
AuspexAO 6y ago
A high value woman won't subvert her will to yours as much, but she also won't feel the need to constantly contradict you in public. Think of your own actions around people you respect. You may disagree with them, but you don't constantly bash their choices in front of others to try and fuck with them.
TJmartimn 6y ago
Those are the ltrs that last a good balance imo
Kinbaku_enthusiast 6y ago
This is somewhat contradictory, because it's women's nature to subvert to the rules of another. What did you think submissiveness and feminity meant?
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you put into words there something that I've felt for a very long time but couldn't put my finger on.
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Women are an empty vessel into which a man breathes life. The earlier you get to her and the more she is into you, the more completely you can shape her personality. I know a guy who started dating a girl when she was a freshman and he was a senior in college. Five years later and she pretty much has no independent thoughts. She has his political views, likes the same TV shows as him, the same beer, likes to smoke pot with him. We joke about it together. I think this “imprinting” can also help explain the alpha widow phenomenon.
It makes perfect evolutionary sense. When the city gets sacked or the tribe gets conquered, the men get killed and the women get sold into slavery or taken as war brides. Being able to change your personality to fit in to new surroundings was a crucial survival skill for women.
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quintaine 6y ago
I'm confused - she agreed that the combo of Reeses and cheesecake was too heavy.
Then offered that she also likes Reeses just like you. These are...according to the words you typed, two different things. A combination vs a single confectionery on its own.
How does that make her "retarded?"
Immune2DNP 6y ago
My bad, she said she didn’t like the taste of Reese’s because it’s PB and chocolate mixed. She did say it was too heavy too, but she said the taste thing initially. Then, I said I love Reese’s and she said “#metoo”. And finally I looked at her as if she had autism.
RaughKee 6y ago
If you've ever had the horror of dating someone with BPD or NPD, they do this to an extreme in the early "idealization" phase. It really fucks with you, especially if you're a BP beta and have never had that kind of interaction with women before.
captainsaveahoe69 6y ago
It's a total mind fuck. Brought me straight to the RedPill. In a strange way she saved my life.
Immune2DNP 6y ago
My first girlfriend and the girl I lost my virginity to , when I was BP, was BPD. On top of it, she was a hot blonde with blue eyes, lifted, and had an amazing body. Needless to say, I was destroyed afterwards, and she’s the one who led me to TRP. Relationships and girls are pretty easy now, but unless the girl has some mental disorder, massive insecurities, neediness, I get bored pretty quickly.
Shanguerrilla 6y ago
I hear ya, and it actually "is" extremely similar regarding the external symptoms we see (or how we need to run or deal with it)- but the user you commented to was referring to BPD not as bipolar, but Borderline Personality Disorder and NPD (narcissists). Both are Cluster B personality disorders and can range from extremely self-punishing / lashing inward, crazy self cutting girls... or any mix of histrionic and anti-social / psychotic traits (IE- BPD IS a diagnosis along the 'borderline' or a wide and each kind of unique place on the spectrum between narcissism, Anti-social, and histrionic personality disorders).
As far as relationships go, plenty of people with bipolar display similar crazy... but I have to agree with /u/RaughKee that while similar- holy fuck do the true-blue, Dexter-women with a real Cluster B (psycho or bpd or attention/histrionic or narcissistic). They are fucking amazing at "mirroring," and the highest level of Machiavellian reasoning comes as their first (not even second) nature while they 'try to make you feel' that connection.. ..and good lord if you stay long enough to get through that idealization phase.
You are right about the mirroring, it was very astute of you to recognize the lack of value and the way that is an attempt to manipulate a partner (when they are an insecure person).
From that last link (there are better ones, I just pulled the first one on Google), but the author summed it up pretty well in the first two lines-
markinsinz7 6y ago
So ur saying to be 'not bored' u need a girl with mental disorder, insecurities n shitt
DIV_redpiller 6y ago
hardly, crazy in the head, crazy in bed....... as long as they are plates, who cares
StraightWhiteMaleLOL 6y ago
Sounds like she was a blessing in disguise.
Immune2DNP 6y ago
She was the best thing that ever happened to me, and not in the gay BP way. After that breakup it was sink or swim: continue on the path of pothead, video game, TV show binge watching, autist, or re-invent myself into something I knew I was born to be.
To the guy above: not literally mental problems, but yeah, a bit of a challenging girl. The ones that do whatever you say from the start are fucking boring and provide no growth.
KellsUser 6y ago
I love being mentally challenged.
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upyoars 6y ago
That means you prefer girls with mental problems?
mrbluesdude 6y ago
It's an addiction man, some of us are drawn to it even though we know it's poison. They spike your adrenaline in a way that your body literally gets physically addicted to. I try my best to stay away from it now but when I meet a girl like that I'm both drawn and repelled at the same time, it's a strange feeling.
SKRedPill 6y ago
Kind of like girls and dark triad men huh?
Tatsimaki 6y ago
Are you in Florida by any chance? Keep my x entertained... You'd be doing me a huge solid.
upyoars 6y ago
Try learning tantric sex - where you orgasm without actually ejaculating. I realized how exhausted and unproductive I became after cumming and busting in my girls mouth every day. Makes you lose all aggression and drive to improve which in turn, combined with the dopamine rush makes you addicted to being miserable. Ejaculting literally felt like throwing my soul away and entering the depths of depression and dissociation.
Lightning14 6y ago
Holy shit. I've never heard someone describe the feelings I had regarding sex with my ex. Every day, multiple times a day. She always wanted it, and it was great for a while and energized me like crazy... but eventually it was like it was draining me and felt like masterbating.
TRPDigesting 6y ago
Regardless of a person's thoughts about Nofap and some of the loonies (and BP folk) over there, there is a valid argument to be made for Semen Retention.
mrbluesdude 6y ago
This is a massive part of it, when I practice semen retention it's like I'm a completely different person. Honestly need to start doing it again
BraindeadIQ 6y ago
Dealing with somekind of childhood trauma or something? I’ve heard guys that have been in somekind of child hood trauma being more attractex to BPD women.
Shanguerrilla 6y ago
[Jeeze guys, sorry this got so long, vomited all over the keyboard so much it was two comments, guess it'd been a while since I talked about this]
That's what caught me into a really fucked 5+ year relationship with a BPD exwife. My childhood wasn't too 'traumatic' and I would have answered like OP has... but until I was ~22 I always ended up bored with what were really good dating options, then I'd somehow find myself in relationships with really sick girls. I think that while I didn't act like a conceited douche back then and I didn't act too unconfident- that I was very insecure about some foundational aspects of myself. While going through therapy later- and while this is NOT the point of therapy- I later could recall and trace 'some' things back to possibly come from childhood and some rare smaller 'traumas'. Honestly though, I think I would have said I loved my parents, had a good childhood.. but my home was fucked in ways. Ignoring all the big issues and just say everything was perfect. Even having a mom or parent that is great, but 'needs you' too much, or those typical mom guilt-trips are a little too usual of the way of communicating.. I imagine even good upbringings can have 'unhealthy' standards for emotional coping (or the way kids can be taught 'to feel' fear, obligation, guilt).. it doesn't make someone a bad parent, but kind of raising a child via 'shame-based' parenting might be fine if the parent is rational and consistent. But those are still setting the handholds and (I think in some of us) sets our standard for normal, and while 'our good parents' never took that to unhealthy extremes. Letting yourself be emotionally manipulated (especially when it is something you were raised to be used to) is an extremely slippery slope. It 'felt good' to me, both familiar, and in hindsight I was insecure so it felt good to be needed. When I was with the women in need of (and usually going to) mental health help, the worst part is how I would slide into caretaking their needs and emotions and the worst thing about it is that in a really fucked up way I think by 'rescuing' them and by how fucked they were and how much they needed me-- I felt 'better than' them. They loved me more than I did them and I would stay for way too long. It was extremely fucked up of me. What sucks was I took a year off relationships ~22, I really wanted to figure that problem out, I didn't want to EVER be in another codependent relationship (until then, I had always been in codependent relationships, but I was always the 'in charge' one even though I hated it, but the girls would just mirror my personality and if I asked for their opinion they would try to guess what mine would be and supply that). So I worked to grow my social circle, got more hobbies, moved forward in my life, was working out more and got in better shape again (wasn't bad off due to manual labor work anyway).. I really 'felt' like I would never fall for that again. I turned down the girls that I felt that usual spark (and would try to get better at recognizing it and for what it was), then I met a girl that rather than seeming insecure or held back or down by anything.. She exuded confidence, didn't seem emotionally needy, and she was really fucking hot to me.
I met her when I was around 24 and she was the girl that (meeting her) convinced me to start dating again because she was so surely NOT a mental head-case..
I still am going, but after 2 years of marriage I was nearly broken and had to begin therapy and (same points as RP) do work, improve myself, progress. Keep my goals and perspectives in check. I guess why I need therapy now is more due to having gone through that 8 year relationship, now THAT shit I wouldn't hesitate to label as something I consider traumatic (even to adult me who has broader shoulders than the childhood shit). I can't believe it took me 5 years of hellish marriage.. but we had a kid and there was medical and life stuff and blah blah- but looking back what it really means is that I clearly had A LOT I needed to learn from her! Because it was also insanely educational and useful to teach me a lot about myself, break down the weak areas, and rebuild myself as I need and choose. She really taught me about the world, the value of my life, the significance of being consistent and in control of oneself. The experience itself forced me to be more in control of my emotions, perspectives, goals, and measured responses rather than reactions, while also being MORE in touch with my own feelings and learning/practicing when and how to NOT be or to get out of 'touch' with others' emotions.
It honesty turned out pretty great. I learned my limits, I changed a lot, without ever letting her 'break me', hurt my son, or so far make either of us any bit 'like her' and I was able to cut that cancer out of my life almost completely (and from his a bit more than 50%). As fucked as the experience and while I wouldn't willingly walk into that again let alone put another child through having to be with that woman... I don't feel any guilt or regret from this side of the tunnel. I wish I didn't, but I really needed someone like her to give me 5 years of training, toughening, and emotional bootcamp. She didn't 'make me' like her, but she sure taught me to understand her methods and those of people like her. Spend a few years in hell locked up with a Cluster B and anyone will get a doctorate level education on recognizing (and how to deal or how to not deal with) all the ways people try to manipulate you or influence your emotions. 'She' gave me more than enough practice to get really good at making and holding boundaries, understanding my value and the abundance in the world even when someone tries their hardest to lower you, (if put in RP verbiage) holding my frame, prioritizing myself, self-improvement, 'improving value' (which to me, personally, the goal is to do so along what WE value, like OUR opinion of us matters 'most', but from there we more often have higher 'value' and capability to be 'real' and present / while others also perceive it as 'higher value'. Guess i'm saying I raised my value for me, the way I prioritized and I felt I needed, but found that productive to the end goals.
Honestly and sadly in a lot of ways those really shitty years did 'improve' one thing she was right about all along- egging me on with criticism and taking near any attempt she thought would land to try to emasculate me. Through it all, I did become a lot more of 'a man', but more importantly, my own man and someone that doesn't 'need' outside approval or to 'please others'. It's sad it took me dealing with a total monster of a person though.
Getting to know her, I swear to God either I lived in a bubble or I was ignorant.. it was absolutely eye-opening to really-REALLY understand that there are human beings that fucked up in the head, that fucking scary. Made me realize how different a person is without empathy (and/or with a fucked up head.. god I hate cluster B disorders), there is no limit they won't escalate to try to ruin, hurt, or fuck your life up. They are the con-men or outliers that literally BREAK any "Nash Equilibrium", if ever you assume a BPD or cluster B 'won't' do X action because you took all the steps you could, you distanced yourself, and IF they do X action it is absolute and mutually assured destruction. But mutually assured destruction only works as a threat to you and me, they just read that as "assured destruction", there is no Nash equilibrium, there is no line they won't cross or cost too high so long as it pains or strains you emotionally, physically, or legally. I experienced this numerous times with my Ex, what was shocking was how none of my actions or words or hers 'mattered', nope she would go to those nuclear, mutual self-destructive options "because she is bored," or could be any feasible reason.
Shanguerrilla 6y ago
The scary part isn't that, but two parts: 1) the one I married was actually able to hide all that shit and trick me completely (seemed really healthy/normal, we had a great relationship) until we moved in together after over two years! I wasn't 'that' stupid or even too 'blue pill' by the time I met her at ~24, but she was a Machiavellian genius playing a game all around me that I couldn't yet see was taking place. The irony was she was the first girl that I dated after trying to AVOID more drama, over the 2-3 years before we moved, even in hindsight really did NOT give me many or strong red flags. She wasn't needy emotionally or financially, nor did she seem to have any abnormal mental issues. Nope, she hid it better than any 'crazy' I previously imagined.. Because they aren't actually 'crazy' they just have a personality and values and a lack of emotional skills so extreme it has a diagnosis.. IE- they aren't 'crazy' they are woke, they don't have a chemical imbalance, there is no drug to help or fix Cluster B's, they simply have so fucked up of personalities that we classify it as a disorder.. And those fuckers can cloak and look like anyone! lol. I entered that feeling 'done' with ever wanting a sick girl again, thinking I found 'the best' I won myself the sickest of my lifetime.
2) Aside from being so capable of hiding except behind closed doors in the way / time they decide to lower the mask(s) they use to seem 'human'.. holy fuck, how I said they'd go to any length, if they are sad or hurt- they will go to any length to try to make you feel MORE hurt and sad than them. They are like psychopathic toddlers, everything is black/white, other people don't exist when outside their vision, other people are just props for the toddler's amusement. They tantrum like a toddler, but they don't JUST have 'adult' strength or conniving and experience.. They literally have no limits, they don't fear mutual destruction, they are better actors and better spies and better at 'hurting or killing' you, your loved ones, or your relationships. That itself would be something, even more along with their ability to typically 'function' and hide until behind closed doors in an intimate relationship-- what makes both those so much worse is they 'go nuclear' so quickly. In my experience you aren't just facing the regular 'over-reaction' to a stimulus, they write and rewrite reality in their minds until it 'rationalizes' you as their arch-nemesis based on shit that is only taking place in their imagination, and those Cluster B's only really care about hurting you / vengeance, balancing their skewed scales and feeding their fucked up ego.
Sorry for the ramble, got way lost there! But anyway, that shit is terrifying and from all estimates I can see- looks like 15%-20% of ALL people are legitimately 'these monsters' who lack empathy, lack emotional development passed (what was for them) a FUCKED toddler / developmental stage.. 15-20% Cluster B's in America, all around you and I, and I was oblivious until one nearly killed me and repeatedly went fucking psycho. Even around ~20% they're not all monsters like that. My Ex was more 'functional' than most to hide it so well when I'm pretty neurotic and not completely uneducated, many others are 'functional' CEO's, lawyers, and other 'high level and respectable AND POWERFUL' careers- that isn't coincidental, they aren't dumb, many can maintain control when not behind closed doors and their 'limited toolset' can even help some of these succeed. Alternatively a shit ton (way more than 20%) meet the diagnosis of those in prison for violent or (NOT) victimless crimes.
Regardless, those years opened my eyes and holy fuck there is a stark difference between a 'normal' person and the extreme Cluster B's that have fucked up perspectives, Machiavellian genius, an unfillable hole seemingly where most have some kind of empathy or 'soul' (if there is such a thing), and a dangerous push/pull between indifference-hate/idealization to try to best match their own weakly defined and ever-shifting identities to those around them or change everyone around them (or their story/perception) to match their shifting identity.
So I learned mostly about myself, a shred about people like her, and that around 1 out of every 5 people you meet are likely 'hiding' their own Cluster B disorder..
Anyway- ramble over!
mrbluesdude 6y ago
Nah dude I actually had an awesome childhood, I'm definitely a bit fucked up but it had nothing to do with that. <3 my parents
MyReddit6 6y ago
Honestly, when you've been in the game a while and get super stoic and unemotional naturally, I also like the random drama of a hot, young high maintenance freak....
It's just nice to feel something for a change
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simpleafk 6y ago
That's the problem with BPD individuals. If you never experienced it before then you can't relate. Even if you read about it you still can't put your finger on it. People with BPD can blend in so well and connect with people so easily and covertly. It's only until they are pushed to the limit is when they explode and destroy you.
mrbluesdude 6y ago
Yeah when the mask finally slips or falls off God help you.
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captainsaveahoe69 6y ago
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
AnxiolyticQuark 6y ago
What kind of things have you seen? Super curious.
captainsaveahoe69 6y ago
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion
AnxiolyticQuark 6y ago
Could you clarify please? I don't get the metaphor.
captainsaveahoe69 6y ago
Blade runner. When you date a girl with BPD you witness things other people have not been privileged with seeing.
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Skuggasveinn 6y ago
What's with these fucking acronym's.
AuspexAO 6y ago
Borderline Personality Disorder. Read the sidebar.
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pookie513 6y ago
I used to perceive this as mirroring, but I've come to the conclusion it's a form of them entering your frame/codependancy/#metoo/agreeability to "keep you around".
The 1st time I ever believed it, and followed up with interest in what I perceived as a common interest, and was met with a blank look+ "what?" I was confused as fuck. "She said she liked ____ too..."
Now, silence. Or I end the topic with "shit's dope."
RedVelocitiy 6y ago
I highly agree that if you hold your frame strong enough, she becomes you. Sometimes this can lead to dangerous situations.
reddishworm 6y ago
I read this and I disregard you. Whole post looks like a brag-fest that screams for approval.
As to your theory, the girls' personality becoming yours basically is her giving you rapport because of her attraction to you. She might also take on your hobbies as part of her sexual strategy.
Her bombarding you with rapport reeks of insecurity.
McVaghunter 6y ago
Saved for that AMAZING last paragraph! A lot of shit makes sense now. In reality there are no real connections or the "we clicked right away".
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You sound like a fucking jackass. Maybe she likes Reeses, but not a Reese's peanut butter cheesecake? She literally said she didn't like that combo. Chill the fuck out.
MTNSC1 6y ago
Too busy giving himself the best BJ of his life...after his 6 MONTHS of TRP and his first piece of pussy that actually pretended to like him.
Apparently comprehension of what other people say is 2nd 6 month coursework.
NACHTK1113R 6y ago
A man can still be skinny fat and charismatic, lifting isn't necessary.
VisionsofGandhi1 6y ago
Lifting is necessaary but a few can pull off being skinny fat but they tend to excel in other parts of the game
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VisionsofGandhi1 6y ago
That's true as well but how many skinny fat guys do have high social status? and act according to it? In my experience the fact that your skinny fat often cause insecurity and deter you from achieving pursuits of girls
[deleted] 6y ago
Yea and physical fitness is a major input into a woman’s perception of your status. Obviously there’s statistical outliers. Stop trying to make yourself feel better about your soft low T body and telling people that getting in shape doesn’t matter.
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[deleted] 6y ago
High testosterone does not cause hair loss. Male pattern baldness is caused when your hair follicles are over sensitive to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone. The sensitivity of your hair follicles to DHT, not the amount of testosterone in your body, causes hair loss.
Actually since I can’t fathom anyone really being this stupid, I’m going to go ahead and report you as a troll, plus you are spreading advice that directly contradicts core philosophy of the sub.
Edit: Mods only need to look at this guy’s last couple posts to see he is psycho. Just curious bro, did any of your posts soliciting women looking for sperm donors on reddit yield results?
NACHTK1113R 6y ago
Yeah, I omitted that it was the dht sensitivity that caused the hair loss because it's just common knowledge that test gets converted to dht and the dht sensitivity triggers the hair loss. The long and short if it is that if you are sensitive to dht then you shouldn't lift if you want to keep your hair. I was basically saying that high test is basically the catalyst for hair loss within specific individuals.
Reformed65 6y ago
Yes, to add to this I remember I once got a WhatsApp message from my friend- he's crying oh boohoo typical because his girlfriend said something VERY MEAN AND NASTY to him, she said "You're worse than my last boyfriend!" He was crying "Reformed, what the fuck, he used to push her into the lockers, she was always quiet in class when he was there, he'd take her lunch money and buy food for himself, and I'm *all so good and sweet with her, all I did was I said I didn't return her calls because I was busy and she did this!"
I wasn't aware of this community yet, I was 15 at the time of this mess but I see his point, in fact it's not just girls, it's people in general. When you're powerful, they let you do anything. I used to be the agreeable friend, back before I hit puberty, that didn't want to upset anyone, but when I did one small thing wrong "AM NOT UR FWEND ANYMOAR!" meanwhile other people would do even worse things to my friends and they'd rationalise it "Ahhh you know that was actually bad on my part...". One that really rings a bell was when I was around 10, I was playing Football (Soccer) with my friends, and somehow it resulted in all of us jumping on one of the guys as a joke, I think he scored a goal and we all got too excited, but for some reason his sister who was a spectator only attacked me and told me to leave, stating what I did was stupid, but she didn't tell the other guys to leave even though I was the last to jump on. There's numerous examples I could share, you get the point.
I realised, it's not the actual moral that counts, it's the power. People will rationalise why what you did was correct if you are of the status that can harm them, because they subconsciously know that if they don't conform to your idea of morals, they may get punished. I tried it once, I was 17, and in a classroom, some guy, short, ugly...incel, had other incel friends, he decided to put his arm around a girl, she was the quiet one, religious, and she freaked out. Now, understand that I was at a lowpoint in my life, I'll spare the details but I just didn't care what I did, so the next week I saw her in the corridors, relatively few people, walking in front of me, I went up to her, put my hands around her, I didn't even say anything because I didn't have a plan. And she reacted by shock, and she said "wha- oh my God, hey, haha, Reformed what are you doing? This is sooo awkward" I realised she's right, because I didn't have a plan after that. But it just goes to show, everyone probably thought "oh she's such a nice girl, she doesn't want any guy touching her." nope, she doesn't want the WRONG guys touching her.
Wow I said a lot here I didn't even know I had this much to say.
Immune2DNP 6y ago
You are correct. With guys, it's not nearly as pathetic unless they're super beta or incel. But when you have high SMV and strong frame and confidence, you can make other people believe your reality is truth. I especially liked the way you phrased it: As long as you're higher value and more powerful, they will rationalize any behavior. I used to be the agreeable guy too. However, now that I'm on this side of things, reality is making me feel sick at times.
The_Noble_Lie 6y ago
It seems the subversion of the concept of reality is what has you feeling sick.
Think of it more like a game than reality if it helps. They have different mental energy surrounding them; both are just mental models. No words describe the conscious position we all similarly live with. But this is the most interesting/fascinating/engaging (theoretically speaking) game I can think of. Its cool to see you into the code more...the inner workings ... the commonalities observed in some of the players. Enjoy it while it lasts. Because it's game over eventually unless some cheat codes are figured out soon.
Its my opinion that theres nothing inherently unpleasant about "reality" / "game", only at the perception level of my/your consciousness which makes sense of it all ... order and chaos.
For perhaps an obvious example, any "negative" experience / "feeling sick" (mentally or even physically) / painful understanding can quite easily be perceived as good. It usually is a requirement for growth, change, new levels of consciousness, rebirth of personality etc.
Grabbed this from this forum the other day:
“The beast that bears you fastest to perfection is suffering.” - Meister Eckhart
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AuspexAO 6y ago
It also bleeds into humor. An IOI I can rely on without fail is tell a shitty joke and seeing who laughs at it genuinely. Not in a socially polite way, but an actual laugh. It's a reaction that she will internalize as "this guy is funny" but it's actually "I want this guy."
U-94 6y ago
I play that Napoleon quote (or at least attributed to Napoleon) about "A woman laughing is a woman conquered" in my mind constantly whenever I pull it off but then I ALSO constantly run with some DUMB women who chuckle at anything, so the insight is meaningless.
AuspexAO 6y ago
Yeah, laughter as a social cue can mean a ton of different things. When one of my friends won't stop laughing around a HB, I know he's nervous. People also laugh when they're scared or threatened. It's pretty safe to say, though, when you're having a one on one with a woman and she's laughing at your lines (in a non-mocking way, obviously) then she's yours.
Unrealenting 6y ago
Women, generally speaking, do not have an Anima. They are slaves to whatever they think will bring them social security and act purely rationally to that regard. Only men are emotional and romantic and we project that romanticism onto women but understand that women are by no means romantic or loving creatures to anyone but their children, every other relationship is fundamentally transactional on some level. This is why attracting women sexually isn't about intellect or big ideas, you simply have to say the right things to tick the right boxes in her hindbrain of what she finds sexually appealing, the three of which together create your frame:
To convey these things to a slut and make her your sexual slave you merely need a strong frame, to achieve this you must simply be somewhat arrogant, confrontative, and have a decent bit of muscularity. Her brain will then automatically make her wet for you if she's a slut, it is that simple. Sluts lack agency and logos, which is to say that they have no self-identity or self-awareness, judging and evaluating themselves entirely in the context of how other people treat and talk to her, regardless of what the truth is, and they will rationalize away anything that threatens the group identity she belongs to. Leading to innumerous irrational and illogical conclusions and assumptions.
Stop treating sluts like they have "free will" and just talk to and treat them however you want them to act. If, and ONLY if, your frame is strong and she is sexually attracted to you (these are essentially synonymous), she will conform to whatever image you demand of her. Just keep that image simple and as one-dimensional as possible for her.
Haven't you ever wondered why sluts will branch swing in a marriage even if it's to a celebrity or the archetypal Chad? Why sluts are followers to groups that basically spit on them and treat them like garbage? Why no amount of attention or concession is ever enough for a slut?
It is because they feel too encumbered by their role of being a man's emotional ascetic and simply want a role where they can spread their legs and get food, some entertainment, and a place to sleep without doing much work. They do not have and do not want ANY personal responsibility. They lack the capacity to decide things for themselves because they have no "self" to speak of, the "self" to a slut is a constantly shifting and group relative identity. Stop expecting slutty women to change and instead tell them what you expect them to do and treat them like indecisive children because that's what sluts are mentally, it's why they call you "Daddy", because they process unconsciously that they only exist and can survive when given the attention of a strong male.
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 6y ago
Can you remove "slut" and put AWALT or only sluts behave like that? Do you think this 'projecting what you want' work on virgin ones?
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MyReddit6 6y ago
Dude I've had that, but also the reverse... the better and better I get, the more I find myself mirroring the different girls.
It's not even conscious - I just realize that aspects of my personality mold or exaggerate naturally with different girls. If she's shy - I go extreme confident and super talkative, if she's a daddy issue, I go father figure, if shes funny and quirky, I find myself constantly making fun of her.
No control over it, its just something I noticed about myself unconsciously happening. Where I indulge their peculiarities with a similar part of my personality.
Anyone else find this happening? I noticed I just automatically do it straight from the approach depending on my read of the girl.
kuruptedgwyla 6y ago
That theory fits my experiences with my first LTR. Man I was fucked for years after that. Only starting to get back my swagger now. Good insight.
cglehosit 6y ago
Can confirm, now that I look back at the last gal that dropped me, I had the same bullshit “she really understood me” feeling. I kept (unbeknownst to me) my own frame for the first few months and she loved it, but as soon as I lost it and got interested in all of her bull shit hobbies and interests, she started saying my hobbies sucked and my attitude sucked. But she’s the one who had the bad attitude and improved it to my level in the first place! I think you’re into something here.
Edit: wording
DJOmegaNeutron 6y ago
Same exact shit happened to me bro. What’s ironic is that as soon as she dropped me and I started doin my own thing again, she started trying to come back into my life a couple weeks later
cglehosit 6y ago
I’ve purged my oneitis, but part of me wants that vengeance in that form lol but for now I’m just doing me! They both are missing out on us
AuspexAO 6y ago
Just remember that vengeance is another form of giving a shit. The coldest thing you can do to a person is find them unworthy of any and all interaction.
cglehosit 6y ago
This is good, thank you my friend
drpeppersucks 6y ago
Yep, I've experienced the same. As soon as I started doing my own thing and not giving a shit about her, that's when she wanted me back. When I refused to take her back, then she started trying to tempt me with pussy. After I refused that, she was literally on my porch, crying and begging me for sex. It was a great pleasure to tell her no.
comcain 6y ago
Saying "No." To a woman asking for sex is one of life's little pleasures. They get to learn what it's like to hear the N word.
DIV_redpiller 6y ago
women have only 1 bargaining chip
drpeppersucks 6y ago
It's sweet justice. She made my life hell, but I had the last laugh. Best feeling ever.
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Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
As I am not an EC nobody really cares what I think but I will say it anyway.
What if you dont wait for someone to ask your opinion out of kidness (fuck that - I want no kindness)? I always state my opinion and have never considered whether people care about my opinion. This has never entered my thoughts. Who the fuck cares if they care. I don't care about them and will say what I want to whom I want and if they dont like it they can feel free to suck my dick.
Immune2DNP 6y ago
I meant more in a group setting. “Where are we going out to eat?” You hear the betas/low SMV guys/girls mumble to themselves “I’m down for whatever....” and the hot girl is usually annoyingly indecisive, and alpha firmly states what he wants, which is usually where the group goes.
I noticed this at work. My group had 5 people in that day: 2 low SMV guys, 1 low SMV girl, 1 hot girl, and me. The 3 low SMV people said they’re down for anything. The hot girl said “oh how about this Italian pizza place, it got really good reviews on Yelp, good prices, etc.” When they all came around and asked me, I said “I’m not gonna participate unless it’s a place with healthy options.” We ended up ordering from a healthy place (that also tasted amazing).
Again, you may think this isn’t a big deal, but it’s about the sub communication, frame, and precedent that is set.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
But what if you really don't care where to eat - ie it literally makes no difference? Is that necessairly a low SMV trait?
GeorgiR 6y ago
From my experience you should always appear to have a firm opinion about things. Whether its where you want to eat, politics or whatever.
Whenever the topic of where to eat out comes up, I always just confidently spat out one of my 5 favourite places. Whether the group actually goes there (usually we do) or they dont, what matters is that you knew what you wanted rather than just saying "whatever" and being opinionless. It's not so much about whether you seem high SMV infront of your group, as it is about training your mind to be permanently high SMV (confident) so that when you get to talking with a girl, you can put your knowledge and experience to use.
alexclarkbarry 6y ago
Yes, the food you put into your body is fuel, your body runs best on good fuel, and making sure all food you eat is of high quality is very important to a healthy lifestyle. Your mindset on good food is much better than when on junk, so you really should care more about where you eat
valrykie 6y ago
When you said you "felt sick to your stomach" what did you mean by it, was it the realisation that women will lie and cheat to get with you or just the interaction in general?
Immune2DNP 6y ago
I felt sick to my stomach because this is yet another hot girl, social media whore, who probably has 100s of betas lined up ready to shower her with compliments, and even THAT external validation isn't enough to just be herself and have a fucking personality (yes I know beta validation is not worth much, but still). She'll reframe her own desires and reality, just to fit mine. There's no authenticity in it; now I'm beginning to understand why many guys say women are just good for their warm holes or they want them out as soon as they cum. The rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper, and trust me, things on this side ARE better. However, when you see old friends come back, girls being fake, and everyone wanting to side with you for all the wrong reasons, it's fucking annoying.
RedMastermind 6y ago
Married girl had a crush on me. She noticed I have prematurely greying hair. The catch is that I love my hair, it makes me stand out a bit and I don't give a fuck what other people say about it.
Her:You've got a lot of white hair(looks at me for a reaction)
Me: Yeah, I love it(said with a grin)
Her: Oh me too, I love men with salt n pepper hair. It looks soo good.
I'm a 26 year old guy, I'll be damned if a 26 year old with lots of white hair looks good because of it. It was just my genuine reaction and the fact that she found me attractive which did it. I lift, dress well, etc.
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RedMastermind 6y ago
Good point. I think its one of those traits that can either magnify or decrease your total attractiveness. By itself, it wouldn't mean anything.
Jacked young dude with premature greying hair - Hot daddy who stands out from the crowd. Skinny fat young dude with the same - Ew he looks soo weirdd.
ConservativelyRight 6y ago
I actually see this a lot in my LTR, and have mentioned it to her several times. Though I think this happens a lot with girls and their BFs. If you happen to spend a lot of time together, it's possible you'll adopt portions of the other's personality/interests. The proportion to which one adopts the other, though, I find, is usually in favor of the dominant individual in the relationship. This is usually the male. So yeah, I agree with you.
Katayani108 6y ago
I mean yes in this very materialist and sick society more often than not- an attractive person will be listened to regardless of what they say more than an unattractive person. However this really seems like mirroring to me which is a technique both men and women do and usually is a reaction to dealing or even bring raised by others with BPD or having it themselves. It's a way of protection more than a sinister plan to break your heart. Also why the fuck is it retarded to not like Reeses and cheesecake but like Reeses?