I just want to put this out there as a reminder to guys to stay VIGILANT at all times.
A month ago, I was falsely accused by my employer’s HR of sending a dick pic to a customer. It wasn’t true and they decided not to fire me, but the experience really fucked me up mentally and emotionally. My whole career was almost destroyed by a baseless, anonymous complaint emailed in to my office (probably sent by a crazy ex). I was told if they ever got a similar anonymous complaint, I would be terminated— proof or not.
Cut to now: I’ve been casually seeing a new girl who seemed super nice and cool. I was open and honest from the beginning, I wasn’t interested in a relationship, only sex. She said she was cool with this. GUYS, trust me: they are NEVER cool with this. They might be for a little while, but if you’re dicking her good, it’s eventually going to get to her head and she’ll feel entitled to an LTR with you, and be angry if you don’t give her what she wants.
Long story short, because my head was so fucked up over my company’s accusation, I forgot the cardinal rule: I really opened up emotionally to this girl about what I was going through and how scarred I was by it. She was so sweet and nice, it felt good to have a girl understanding what I was going through and emphathizing with me. (I wasn’t afraid of turning her off... she was a plate and I didn’t want it to continue indefinitely.)
Now I am in a real pickle. I’m trying to end it with her, but she isn’t having it. Her “sweet” personality did an immediate 180. And I am AFRAID TO DEATH, because I was honest about what happened at my company, she knows she can send a similar type of anoymous complaint and get me fired... just because I don’t want to fuck her anymore.
Guys, don’t put yourself in a position to be emotionally/sexually blackmailed by any woman, no MATTER HOW COOL, SWEET, OR “DIFFERENT THAN THE REST” she seems like. Be on guard and vigilant at all times. DO NOT OPEN UP. Especially nowadays.
TL;DR: Opened up to “sweet” girl about a false sexual harassment allegation. She was cool until I didn’t want to bang anymore... now I’m afraid she’ll do the same, just to get back at me. AWALT, fellas.
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maryybo 6y ago
As a woman, I think, you are wrong at few points.
First, yes SOME women can be evil. So, it is not nice that you are judging all women based on just your experience. It is like me saying all men cheat. But not all of them cheat. So, this situation is not about being a woman, it is about character of a person.
Secondly, you are nearly true about this. Not all women but nearly 80 percent of women will never be okey with only sex. If a woman with a decent character does not want this kind of relationship, she tells you that.
Long story short, if I were you, I would not tell about my situation to a random girl who I get involved for only sex.
Guys, don't put yourself in a position to be emotionally/sexually blackmailed by ANYBODY that you don't trust WELL. WOMEN are different from each other like MEN.
If she'll do the same, she is not a sane person. Cause you can want not to bang her anymore. I'll never understand these kind of women. After that, I hope you will find a decent woman who knows what she wants.
destraht 6y ago
The anonymous dick pic complaint is the social equivalent of being poisoned and we know from Game of Thrones that poisoning is the work of women and eunuchs but then remember that it turned out to instead be a clever man with a plan. I'm not the kind of person to poison someone and savagely breaking their neck is probably much more in my profile but knowing that what I could do instead if I really wanted to get away with something would be to do something which doesn't appeal to me. Hold the knife with your off hand and in an awkward hammer grip, etc.
For sure you are fucked though. We men have no rights anymore, not when it really comes down to it. I think that you need to resign yourself to your fate and to be "fine enough" with whatever happens because otherwise the anxiety will eat you alive. Start saving for a rainy day, yesterday. Personally I have the skills to be making big bucks in Silicon Valley or some other liberal West Coast hell holes but I know that do to my unconventional and irreverent approaches that I would be assassinated before much getting too deep into a position and I'm completely unwilling to live in daily fear over completely fabricated anonymous messages. I say resign yourself to your fate, don't make it worse and also consider whom you are serving. If normal men are pushed out or made to live in clutching fear then what future can there be that is worth living in?
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Dude, this is just common sense, don't trust ANYONE with your work shut regardless whether it's a woman or not. A good rule is to pretend everything you say to anyone is akin to broadcasting in social media. If you treat every word that comes out your mouth as such, you will already be 10 years wiser.
ShinobiKrow 6y ago
Every one can be evil. I don't understand the point of these types of thread. Are they supposed to teach me anything valuable about women? They can be bad? Really? Oh, poor thing. Do you know who's bad too? Me. I know secrets about many girls, and they know they have to be good to me, if you know what i mean...
PabloAsscrowbar 6y ago
The Harvey Weinstein saga has already shown how women can be disgustingly conniving and evil to further their own interests. When they needed the roles, they pandered to his fetishes and probably even flattered him. Once he has shown his weak side and his usefulness is up, they threw him under the bus to inflate their ego and further their self-interests. Nonetheless, I still think he is a creep but the women aren't saintly either.
Same as OP's example. When women want to manipulate you, they will put on their best behavior. Once the man loses his usefulness, her true ugly nature shows. They are never innocent, they have just been concealing it.
rationalthought314 6y ago
What was the story of the customer? Did someone else send a pic or did the customer just make it up?
But never open up to a woman. It will always backfire in some way because they want to be able to use it to hurt you.
Neo2Trinity 6y ago
I remember Dr. Paul on David Deangelo's "Deep Inner Game" program telling the story of Bluebeard. The moral of the story was basically not give away too much of yourself to women.
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Arm_Ztrong 6y ago
If I were you start searching for a new job. In case you get fked by your FWB sweetheart. Plan ahead of her, or face her ahead of you ! If she decided to end you in that matter
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Women need to be locked in cages for their own good.
asotranq 6y ago
You really only have yourself to blame here. Don't give someone information that could sink you if they turn it around on you, even if you did have intentions or LTRing her, maybe the relationship would end soon and she could just burn you then. Keep shit like this to yourself, a lot of women seem to treat parting ways less as a thing you do for your own benefit and more as a game where you have to 'get' somebody into a checkmate position or something
markdumte 6y ago
Change jobs. Start looking for a new job ASAP. A company that is willing to throw you under the bus for two fake messages is not worth working for. It is completely unreasonable. No shit it has you scared, it is out of your control and completely unreasonable. Start looking for another job.
daverambo30 6y ago
The reasonable side of me says to get the hell out of there and find a new job. The other crazy A-rab side of me says if those HR assholes try to fire you for an unsubstantiated anonymous complaint you lawyer up, hulk out like Les Grossman from Tropic Thunder and salt the fuckin earth when you're done.
mugatucrazypills 6y ago
Honestly you need to find a new job and actively work to fuck this company over after you leave. Treating men as disposable lumps of garbage to be personally destroyed should have consequences.
OP original mistake was opening up to a plate. Which is all women say they want , but when you do is viewed as disgusting weakness. It's an easy mistake to make , since he's probably a human being and craves human connection as well as physical intimacy, but the truth is that our society has turned these women into branch swinging validation powered psychopaths.
Stay healthy, take care of yourself, and try to avoid the spinning blades.
aDrunkenWhaler 6y ago
100% correct
100% fuck no. Focus on yourself, leave in good terms and have all doors opened. You never know what the future holds.
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Unfortunately, I don’t think there are many major corporations NOT like this right now.
My boss told me (in confidence) that the people at the top thought the accusation was bullshit, but “in today’s climate” didn’t want to be seen as sitting on their hands. Scary, scary shit, fellas.
smartscience 6y ago
Incidentally, as someone who used to think that courage, leadership and innovation were the way to get to the top, this turned out to be another 'red pill'.
Cozc 6y ago
Consult a lawyer. Especially if they cut you for another anonymous claim.
Might be able to wring a wrongful termination suit from it if youre lucky
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Not an easy thing in Zionist run America. I'm looking for a Zionist-free country in Western civilization. But all I'm finding are all AIPAC run nations pretty much.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Russia. Russian's don't like jews. BUT, outside Moscow and st pete's Russia isn't great.
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DDzxy 6y ago
If anything happens, ask for evidence, if they don't present it but still go through with it, sue.
metallicdrama 6y ago
They know when you don’t expect it. And they take advantage. Don’t be a sucker.
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empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Depends if his boss has a knight hood.
OracleofFl 6y ago
Then the OP is basically announcing to his boss that he is a player with strings of chick some of whom hating on him. That won't end particularly well.
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This. HR will not sympathize, trust me.
If I was a woman, on the other hand...
jewishsupremacist88 6y ago
never share personal details about your life until you actually know the bitch.
hotTool 6y ago
even then, one must still tread cautiously
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BertranThePharmacist 6y ago
Aside from the main topic:
Sounds like an immediate lawsuit, isn't it?
EuropeanAmerican420 6y ago
Sounds like OP can get anyone fired that he chooses.
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You would assume, but no. I live in an “at will” employment state— they can fire you for any reason, or no reason at all. I was honestly shocked they DIDN’T fire me.
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Well regardless of who is correct legally, should you not be looking for a new job now that they have told you that they plan on firing you if you ever get another anonymous complaint? Also I would start sending in anonymous complaints from fake email accounts on whoever I hated most in that place. Do you have any enemies that need to be destroyed? Perhaps a manager whose position you've been eyeing?
max_peenor 6y ago
As someone that has had to stand in court because of what his idiot HR people have done, this isn't true. They cannot act inappropriately themselves. They sure as fuck can't tell others that you sent pictures of your dick to people when you didn't.
I'd love to stand in front of a judge and say, "your honor, I'd like to demonstrate to the court why that picture is not one of my penis."
^ The exact words I'd use with the HR retards.
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DreamBoatGuy25 6y ago
Keep in mind that's important to look at things through multiple frames to avoid tunnel vision.
You're viewing your current work issue through a TRP lense, which is fine, to a degree, as it certainly has components of that and you broke a cardinal rule which was showing weakness to women.
However you should also consider frames that aren't even on the TRP or gender axis. For example it's not really your fwb or even the unsympathetic women in HR that's the problem here, it's that I'm guessing you live in a country with very little worker protections and almost no recourse to challenge your termination. You think being automatically fired for receiving a second unconfirmed sexual harassment complaint is unfair? If you live in the US At-Will employment allows your company to fire you literally because the sky is blue. In other words they don't need any reason at all.
So take some time and chew on that for a while and you may notice that it's interesting the way in which we process our problems based not on critical thought so much as what happens to be on our minds at the time. Because the logical leap to connect your employment issue with your fwb was substantially larger than simply recognizing that you work within a corrupt system that fails to afford you the rights and protections you should have.
PhaedrusHunt 6y ago
I have a creative idea that may work really well or could backfire.
Set up a new Gmail account with a fake name.
Send an anonymous complaint in on yourself.
Then when they go to bring you into HR, show them that it was you that sent it in just so they see how ridiculous their whole system is.
Also find out if your state is a one party consent State as far as audio recording goes. If it is secretly audio record all of your interaction with HR.
In the meantime start looking for another job. Better yet work for yourself.
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PhaedrusHunt 6y ago
Are you in HR or a business owner, upper management etc.? I'm dating someone that is in HR for a very large organization and she said grounds for dismissal were weak
account_rp 6y ago
It's time to start filling out applications and looking for a new job. It shouldn't be hard to get a new job now like it was in 2010.
Correction, you should have started looking when that HR bitch told you that you would be fired upon one more baseless accusation.
bernyoz 6y ago
HOPE this happens again Firing you proof of no proof? That is gold. Loss of job, emotional distress, unfair dismissal = pay day Any lawyer would fall over themselves for this type of case.
IronMeltsinmyHands 6y ago
Well then, your option is this, tell her you quit, and are headed out of town or a 6 month excursion in South America. And then be a recluse.
Go to work and come home for 6 months. OOOR find a new place to work.
CSHooligan 6y ago
Opening up=/= letting women emotionally manipulate you.
ozaku7 6y ago
Never discuss your feelings or vulnerabilities with the opposite gender, NEVER. It's pointless and they will never understand. The longest lasting male relationships are those with other males. They are emotionally deeper and more understanding than you can ever have with a woman, because you can tell your best mate ANYTHING and you won't be judged, ripped a new one, or simply fucked in numerous bad ways. Men are there for each other, women are there for each other. A woman doesn't see you as an equal, you are always the other gender and you come third. She comes first, women come second, you come third, if at all.
TL;DR: Only share your feelings and problems with your friends. Men understand men. Sharing these things with a woman is pointless and even counter productive. The only woman you should annoy with your crap is your mom.
RatioRegnum 6y ago
It is astounding how fast a woman will drop you if you start showing weakness and uncertainty. I did this with one casual GF who was getting very clingy, and 24 hours later she gave me the talk. She'd met someone she could be serious with, we both knew this was a temporary thing, etc. I just said "Sure, it's been fun, good luck." and you could hear the surprise in her voice. She'd been expecting me to plead or argue. It was a major mental record-scratch when I didn't, and as I hung up I could tell she was already thinking maybe she'd made a mistake.
Three weeks later she called out of the blue, begging for sex.
Sorry honey, I've upgraded.
PhaedrusHunt 6y ago
LMAO I had the same thing happen recently. A couple days before New Year's a plate was asking what I would be doing New Year's Eve. I told her flat out I would be doing other stuff. New Year's Eve she's hitting me up. I ignored her texts. THEN I posted a boomerang video on Facebook of me with another woman. The plate that was hitting me up blocked me. The funny thing is before all of this she said she was worried I would get hurt and think this is too serious blah blah blah If you want from worried I would get hurt to butt hurt herself in about 5 seconds
Aesthetik_1 6y ago
Elaborate the "uncertainty" part please
RatioRegnum 6y ago
In this particular case, I asked for her advice on a problem. It was both trivial and already handled, but when she gave her input I said, "yeah but..." and gave her a scenario where what she suggested wouldn't work out. A couple of back-and-forth vacillations and I could hear the frost forming in her voice, though her words remained completely supportive. The next day - bang - "the talk."
Caveat, this will only work with particularly shallow women. A genuinely supportive woman will genuinely support you through whatever hardships you may face.
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
Tell her how excited you are to be at your new job. The commute is great... it's an exciting place to be..... and god, you hope there are no complaints about you. Gradually let slip names, details, websites. Ideally the new company is run by someone you know... or set up a fake company website so you can answer her anonymous email complaint seriously and assure her that you'll take her super seriously.
And from now on: show no weakness. It's male weakness that women get their hooks into. Open up to her emotionally and she'll just sink her claws in. Never do it.
PabloAsscrowbar 6y ago
Men will tend not to exploit another man's weakness, that is why men have honor and chivalry.
Women have no honor and chivalry, they just mercilessly stab you the moment your shield is down.
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Not true, google “at will employment.” You may not be as protected at your workplace as you assume...
Sir_Distic 6y ago
There are lawsuits for unlawful termination. Saying "proof or not" is a very good reason. That's a baseless accusation and, while I'm no lawyer, if you can get some proof they said that you'd have a strong argument for unlawful termination if they did fire you with no proof. Obviously they aren't going to put that in writing.
Hassenboy 6y ago
I would go further and say you shouldn't reveal your weak points to anyone. Not a girl, not your friend, not your family, not anyone.
I once opened up for my brother. Low and behold: he abused it a couple of years later when we got in to a petty argument. He had thus kept this detail about me in his back head for years, just in case he need to hurt me sometime.
When my family gather with friends, my mother always try to make fun of me by telling "funny" stories about me. Funny to her, not funny to me. I make sure to not feed her with new material.
They're are not evil, they are just like every single person on this planet: not to be trusted.
SlyRy95 6y ago
Man this one's a no brainer.
Just apply the EXACT OPPOSITE of the TRP concepts you know in order to kill her attraction. Act extremely beta, obsess over her, texts all throughout the day, etc.
When all is said and done, literally friend zone yourself then cease any communication with her.
Good Luck.
I_am_Jax_account 6y ago
lol. The irony of what dating has become for western men. "Act like a total loving sweetheart and she will ditch you like expired milk".
JagsDontCare 6y ago
Exactly, A Women’s natural disposition as far as evolutionary survival goes is to be sociopathic which is synonymous with essentially being evil. Give them the tools needed to inflate this technique(Social Validation, Social Distribution, False Victimhood etc) and Society becomes a lot more dangerous in even dealing with these vile cunts. Pump and Dump is all there is left to do and even then don’t let women be your focus.
CanuckinFL 6y ago
oh yeah, man I think we're all 6th degree black belts on how to become friends with women. I've had to do this with a BPD chick or two. Easy as pie.
narunata 6y ago
HAHAHA this comment legit had me dying.
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I've shamelessly done this before
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I’m definitely trying... but I notice when you’re genuinely not into a girl (anymore), you inadvertently act EXACTLY the right way to turn her on. One of the weird Catch-22s of life.
TheRedPillMonkey 6y ago
Not inadvertent. It's the core concept behind abundance mentality. Getting her interested in you, then acting like you don't need her will drive her hamster wild because she thinks others better than her will get you. Women never want you to be better off without them.
The best course is as mentioned. Lower you SMV in her eyes. Tell her you got fired from your job, that you think you might move home with your parents, and that you really need to see her because all the other girls you were seeing left. She probably won't even respond.
vengefully_yours 6y ago
Out only takes a week or two for her to decide to move on when you go full on mangina begging for sex beta. It's my go to method of being rid of crazy bitches ergo hid the crazy until after I fucked them. Ask for blowjobs, ask for a new position, don't tell her, ask her and that bitch will lose interest fast.
Trust me on this. The nicer and sappier you get, the faster she is gone without drama.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
aren't you afraid she'll get disgusted with herself for sleeping with you and then hamster a false rape claim?
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
how do you get a bj without asking?
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Just grab her hair and put the dick wherever you want, bro.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
lol. what about before smashing her?
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DDzxy 6y ago
Then act like you're interested.
ILoveJuices 6y ago
Plan B - tell your employer that this chick might send a BS complaint.
Dmva100 6y ago
Plan C. Use a clotheshanger. Hopefully OP won't find himself in such a situation. She may pull the fake preggo (or real!) card to keep him committed.
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HR was not sympathetic (a panel of bulldog-faced old women).... I do not think they would sympathize, but rather say “This person’s personal life is becoming a liability/headache, better to be safe than sorry...”
It’s a terrible position to be in. I am looking for a new job, but it’s sad... where I am now is where I always dreamed of being, and I love my job and coworkers. The thought of leaving is heartbreaking (despite how HR has treated me).
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Obi_Wan_can_blow_me 6y ago
Send in anonomys complaints about all of your coworkers including your boss, all in a similar fashion to the one you got.
ImHerWonderland 6y ago
Op this is literally the best thing you could possibly do for yourself.
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I love my coworkers, they’re like family.
Edit: I can’t believe I’m being downvoted here for not wanting to falsely accuse friends/coworkers (and possibly ruin their lives) to save my own ass. That’s not red pill...
Rollo_Mayhem3 6y ago
Look.... worry about the things you can control. I think it's rare that someone actually sent that complaint in...the odds of this chick doing the exact same....we'll who knows...but that's out of your control. Don't get me wrong we all know bitches are vindicative...play beta, maybe they'll let it go.
Remeber the rule keep two in the kitty?? Well are you increasing your EMV (Economic Market Value)? You should be applying and interviewing for better jobs anyway...
I learned that lesson a couple years ago. Nowadays you're job lenght is shorter...
ImHerWonderland 6y ago
You're not ruining their lives. It was a b.s. complaint against th assuming you're not lying right? Well in HRs eyes it's you vs the customer, and who would EVER falsely accuse someone of that? You're the bad guy.
Let a few more baseless accusations come in however, and HR will be more inclined to believe it is bullshit.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
LOL. coworkers aren't your friends. and your company is not your family.
unclediddle01 6y ago
I wish more people understood this. You need to always be in a CYA situation. The moment they sense you are on the way out or acting weird. they will avoid you cause they wan't to be hanging with the wierdo who sends dick pics.
NavyBlueCrow 6y ago
Man are you stupid? This guy just gave you great idea. Send anonomys complaints for them and they will start to ignore them. I mean, its just stupid anyway to fire someone because of crap like this. Just dont send all at the same time.
KloudSonofBloud 6y ago
Can you not make an anon complaint about the mistreatment of HR to a higher level?
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I just couldn’t do that to them... what if the first one I sent was the straw that broke the HR camel’s back and they were terminated?
Seems like evil, backhanded type things that a woman would do... but I understand his point.
TheNextMilo 6y ago
Even better idea: send anonymous complaints about HR being rapist pedophiles/s.
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_Ba_Dum_Tss_ 6y ago
Worth a shot, man. Can't see her trying to ruin your career if she feels bad for you.
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TheDevilsAdvokaat 6y ago
I second "guys stay vigilant at all times"..
Years ago I was a manager at a store. One of our male employees was young and good looking. One of the female employees was overweight and unattractive and had visible acne scars all over her face. She was about 21. She was also the daughter of someone higher up in head office. One day some ex-school friends she knew called out "Hey *****!" to her and she waved to them and called out "Hi!" and they said "Ya fat pig!" and laughed. I felt sorry for her.
Anyway an attractive young girl started as a temp at our store. The young guy was obviously interested in her and paid her a lot of attention. Within a couple of weeks he was reported for "sexual harassment" of the pretty girl. HR (Who were staffed almost exclusively by women, only the head of HR was male) called the young guy into head office to explain his behaviour and told him a complaint had been made about him; that he had sexually harassed this young girl.
He denied it vehemently and wanted to know who made the complaint (I think he thought it was me ...as I was the store manager.) They refused to tell him and called the pretty girl in to corroborate the story. She said yes, he had been persistently asking her out....and she had said yes. They had been on a date.
After that everything collapsed, and it came out that it was not the girl who had made the complaint, or me, but...overweight girl. She had seen the persistent attention and flirting and complained "on behalf of" this young girl, because "I thought she was being harassed". The young guy then threatened to sue them for harassment but everything was quickly hushed up. Why they didn't talk to the girl before speaking to him I have no idea and it seems incredibly stupid and presumptuous of guilt but hey, you know, "just believe".
Years later I wound up working for her dad in head office and she was still getting special treatment. And still useless. And unpopular. She told me once privately her own mother didn't like her. I really wanted to tell her I empathised but I managed to stay silent.
It's not just that you must be vigilant with the girl you are involved with, you even have to be vigilant with girls you have no interest at all in...
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ESPECIALLY with the girls you have no interest at all in (if they’re interested in you).
PabloAsscrowbar 6y ago
They tend to be more venegeful and black-hearted as they do not get many friends or attention from men.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 6y ago
Actually yes that's a good point.If they're interested in you and you're not interested in them...there's a reason "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" is a thing..
gonzo1986_2017 6y ago
Lately, after watching AVFM with that #mikepencerules this is what pops into my head all the time.... Women are dangerous and AWALT. Hoodies up like Sunrise would say ????
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