TL;DR
The definition of the word "ressentiment" from a well-known internet encyclopaedia.
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Ressentiment is the French translation of the English word resentment, from Latin intensive prefix re-, and sentir "to feel".
(...) ressentiment is a sense of hostility directed at that which one identifies as the cause of one's frustration, that is, an assignment of blame for one's frustration. The sense of weakness or inferiority and perhaps jealousy in the face of the "cause" generates a rejecting/justifying value system, or morality, which attacks or denies the perceived source of one's frustration.
This value system is then used as a means of justifying one's own weaknesses by identifying the source of envy as objectively inferior, serving as a defense mechanism that prevents the resentful individual from addressing and overcoming their insecurities and flaws.
The ego creates an enemy in order to insulate itself from culpability.
Lessons learned
Haters gonna hate, but some of them make up the whole morality and belief system to justify their weakness.
MGTOW/LTR/follow Christ/follow JP/... as much as you want, only make sure - for your own sake - that you have all your shit in order and this is your real choice and not a ressentiment - making up morality fuelled by superiority complex ego shit in your head in order to feel better about oneself.
iLLprincipLeS 5y ago
Last weekend I was dragged to a wedding I was thankful to attend. Invariably, weddings are dressed heavily in dogma of male servitude and this one was no exception. And so, I usually dread this up until the drinks start flowing and everyone drops the act so that their true selves make a short appearance for the night free from inhibition. The masks remain on their cheeks, but mostly off. As the need to maintain the facade fades, baseline impulses and desires come out.
For women, we already know what this means. The way we understand women becomes more apparent, but uniquely enough, the way we understand median men becomes equally more apparent. The divergence between the true nature of women, and the conditioning of men, becomes blatant.
At the table were some millennial couples, and let me tell you, we were blown away at just how "millennial" they were. The usual she's too good for me trope was out in full force, but what really hit me was a realization that struck to the very nerve that divides blue and red pill men, truly.
Ultimately, amorality follows from a full unplugging.
I realized that this group of men, all deeply blue pill, had a belief they were in fact good hearted men, with an edge. Even admitting so after some prodding. And then I had a painful reminder of a time of weakness where I had even once myself claimed this very same trope to myself, still very deep within the illusory truth we call blue pill conditioning. And remembered when I also steeped myself in self-deprecating humor and effigies to desexualize myself to present myself as harmless.
Suddenly it became clear, that this is the way a man can realize he still has a way to go in his journey, even if he believes he's made it far. It's certainly a marker of weak men, but also of men who have set real boundaries, understand the world around them and are well on their way to a full unplugging and embracing the true Hobbesian anarchy of the SMP, but still have some hangups.
The edge, can't be conceptual. It can't be potential. It's can't even be an edge. In fact, properly put, men must be monsters who are capable of extending kindness to a woman when it wants to, when she deserves it. Which is conceptually at an angle but intersects with the concept of "nice guy with an edge."
This concept is also expounded on in The "True Alpha" : On Male Virtue, where I tear apart a poster for virtue signaling this very phenomenon and trying to wrap it in a red flag. The short hand is that we get a nice look into a man that is a monster doing things monsters do, while the women he "victimizes" come back for more.
And so I offer you this black truth.
If you believe you are a good man, with an edge, you are most likely self-rationalizing your weakness. That you would ultimately concede as true if you sat in a room full of bastards and criminals. That you'd ration away was "not truly masculine" in our jargon (which I address at length on The "True Alpha" : On Male Virtue).
The truth of the matter is that it is a convenient cope, and that every median man feels the same way. While some of the weakest men proclaim they even lack an edge, most men believe they have it.
There is a reason why their primary "orientation," if you could call it that, is to be good hearted or a good dude or even a nice guy. Because ultimately, that's what they are. Just that they subconsciously realize such a thing isn't all that valuable, so instead, they conceive a solipsistic male solution they believe "balances the equation."
Experienced women see through this. They paw at these men like lions with a wounded gazelle, that doesn't even know its wounded. They massage their ego and extract what they can from these useful idiots and leave a wake of discarded entrails behind them. Yet even after they've been destroyed, these men would cling to the idea that they do still in fact, have an edge.
I feel very fortunate and thankful for the men that shepherded me, who truly set me free. Because weak men can't understand what being a monster does for you. They are preoccupied with the moral component to unplugging, and viscerally feel guilt and emotional pain for "acting bad" or even thinking about or conceptualizing what this would be like. These are, in my opinion, secondary emotions that cover their baseline, which is in fact fear.
These are feelings that slowly faded over time for me and will with anyone as they become more experienced in the SMP and frankly, the world in general. What you learn, and I will post to, is that no one cares.
Everyone is out getting theirs, wether they consciously know it or admit it. Some people are oblivious enough that they rob others guilt free, because they truly believe their abhorrent behavior is justified. The blue haired radfem who legitimately believes that all men are subjugating her believes when she swallows her boyfriend's best friend's cum that he deserves it. She doesn't give this any pause. Maybe a decade later she might reflect that she was "kind of a horrible person" but she doesn't feel that guilt, or emotional pain, the fear.
Other people post hoc rationalize it. The reason why she passed off another man's baby as his, is because of that time when they were in college and he was treating her terribly. At least that's how she remembers it. He was probably... definitely cheating. Definitely. The first couple times she thought like this she felt the fear, she knew it was wrong, but also, sort of exciting. Should it feel good to be bad? Eventually, 18 years later, she'll feel absolutely nothing as she lays that black truth at his feet and slides over a divorce settlement.
Every time I hear a guy shoot himself "out of nowhere" I know exactly what happened. Some variation of the last paragraph you just read. Are we getting off track? No.
The truth is, those that don't find ways to "get theirs" are the defects. Not the ones who are "bad people." Which is itself Orwellian doublespeak. There are good people who are naive, and as Machiavelli pointed out in The Prince, time will expose them to the bastards who will force them to harden, die or cope.
And so, when the good guy with an edge is confronted with the woman who has fucked, sucked and been emotionally enslaved by one monster or many and she paws at him he must make a choice.
He can decide that he has no edge and admit his folly, that his "niceness" is merely a masquerade to fool himself from his own weakness and grow. To understand and tolerate amorality because morality serves only as chains for men to continue their lives in covert servitude. To die and resolve themselves as "men going their own way." Or to continue deceiving themselves and cope.
The trick your brain has played on you is to convince you that you're different. And that you're better for being weak.
But you don't get to claim to be the man "with an edge" that who if he was confronted by a woman who knows the weak from the monstrous would paw at him and laugh. You can choose to be the man that "victimizes" women who come back to him and serve him, or you can be the man who is victimized.
mnemos_1 5y ago
Reading this forced me to confront a very uncomfortable set of truths about the source, focus and nature of my own resentment. One more step.
Much obliged, sir.
IncomeByEtnicity 5y ago
I really appreciate that you did this. All you did was look at the same word from the new perspective of a different language. Not only did this give the word an additional meaning, it changed how the thoughts and emotions the word represents, are processed by our minds.
I would really encourage everyone on here to pick up a second language, and foreign wise sayings.
BillyRedRocks 5y ago
THat's a really interesting post. A lot of people tend to harness their anger into motivating force to achieve goals, however sometimes resentiment get's in the way. Not in the way of achieving the goal but in the way of picking the goal, and when you actually get revenge or whatever you're looking for you realise it got you nothing, just wasted your time and energy that can be... very unfortunate.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
I miss the time when I was so anger-fuelled, that I was able to hit the gym 2 times/day just to get some steam off.
I'm glad to see you got my point, just as some other commenters. This is good.
What I am thinking about is, there is some form of agreement between many TRP posters about common topics (among many, there's TRP stance on single moms, shitting where you eating, girls with "red flags" etc). There seems (to me, at least) also to be a common stance on the tradcon and unicorn hunting.
Depends on who's posting what, it may be just a solid, sober advice... or the "ressentiment".
Which leads me to the next question, TRP is amoral, okay... is TRP formless?
What is TRP exactly?
Sidebar says it's the discussion of sexual strategy in the today's world. Cool, some posters tell me to avoid this and that. But why, exactly? If I touch the stove, will I burn my hand? You tell me not to touch it? Okay, dad. But the deal is, yesterday evening I went to the town and saw a fire show. How about that?
Alpha equals egoism, narcissisms, no rules... satanism, maybe? But, on the other hand, some advice is solid advice. Put your hand in the fire, get burned. But still, if you see man put his hand in the fire who did not got burn... maybe he knows something you don't know.
Avoid the unhappy and unlucky.
Avoid the morality makers.
Avoid "shoulds". Observe the world, look for the truth.
BillyRedRocks 5y ago
My idea is that the TRP guide is to get a person to a decent level. Then you know the fire, you know you can get burnt, but if you figure out a way to not get burnt you share it with the community, or you dont.
TRP gives you the tools to chose the direction of your life, but if you're overcome with anger/resentiment are you really chosing or is the emotion chosing?
TRP teaches you how to do whatever the hell you want with your life. However, you need to know if you're the one chosing and why you're chosing 1 thing over a million of other things. Trying to show off in front of your dad/ex-wife/exgf/oneitis from highschool is a bad reason to do anything. Trying to please the J-man? Also a bad reason. THe J-man works in mysterious ways, maybe he wants you to fuck up.
Morality? - Try getting 2 people to agree on morality and you'll want to murder them by the end of the day.
I think in your post you've defined another reason that guides people the wrong way without them knowing it, one that gets missed by most people here because of the focus of the sub. I have to say though - anger is better than apathy. Anger means you still have some fight left in you (stolen from /u/Rian_Stone). If your choice is between getting mad and fucking shit up or remaining where you are - get mad, use resentiment and if you become a high value male then you can decide what you want. Because what we want when we're beta bitches is dumb, but I don't remember who said it.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
This exactly.
There was a really solid post about cumming inside girls on vacation (u/Dmva100, I have a great idea, how about you post it on your user profile so I can link to it - new reddit software allows that). I found it resonated with my inner beliefs. Unfortunately, most of the comments berated OP because "morality" and "feminism" and "the real man should this and that". Then the post was removed.
There's a difference between critique and moralising because you're too weak and most of the TRP regulars should know that. MGTOW get frowned upon because exactly the same reason. Married men? Unless other women hit on you in front of your wife, your dedication to your wife means SHIT to her. Etc
Coroshi 5y ago
I see a post on Nietzsche's philosophy, I upvote.
Rian_Stone 5y ago
Something I think about when I read stories on women being both childlike inferiors and simultaneously being the downfall of some society we saw on TV.
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Powerful and inferior child. Hard to have it both ways. Probably works best to pick one or the other.
Either, women are powerful and have caused the decline of society and men are victims,
or,
women are childlike inferiors..... and in that case, men are to blame.
How about, most men are weak victims that accept women's bad behavior?
omega_fat 5y ago
No, exactly powerful and inferior at the same time. A child with a rocket launcher. And yes, it's mens fault for this situation occurring in the first place.
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ex_addict_bro 5y ago
In the „9 laws” book Throne gives examples that on this world things are both black and white, important and unimportant, etc at any given moment.
Like: I’m important for my children but they will be able to survive without me
BillyRedRocks 5y ago
Okay, let me try.
How about women are childlike inferiors and all children need heroes. When they don't get heroes, they settle for toys (weak men), and you know how children are with toys. Broken toys collapse society.
johnpayne10 5y ago
I am a atheist/agnostic. I certainly do not believe in any of the prevailing religions around the world. Maybe I would support pantheism at best. TRP is way easy to understand and use when you are not religious.
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Okay. I thought the Red pill was for original thoughts not circle jerking. That is what mg-tow is about now if you had said not brushing your teeth got you laid that would provide someone value. No one should need this knowledge. Don't worry I down voted my self I know the deal.
ReMaxius 5y ago
Not bashing you at all, and I know RP guys are usually non-religious, but I don’t think following Christ and being RP is mutually exclusive.
Of course, as an RP Christian, you must abandon some of the religion’s moral codes (no sex before marriage, no lust, etc.), but having faith in a creator shouldn’t make you anymore BP than the next guy, unless you’re doing it wrong.
omega_fat 5y ago
I think it is. TRP is a methafor for seeing reality for what it is, warts and all. Believing in magic sky daddies is the exact opposite of that.
ReMaxius 5y ago
Whatever floats your boat, bud. However, insulting my beliefs isn’t necessary. The moral systems in the Bible may be up for argument, but the belief in a Creator is individual and is not up for argument.
Rian_Stone 5y ago
Christ isn't the church, which has fully embraced the thotpocalypse.
ReMaxius 5y ago
What are you implying? Curiously inquiring.
Rian_Stone 5y ago
Implying nothing. Dalrocks been writing about it for a decade
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Thought about adding a similar comment. Great minds think alike.
rocknrollchuck 5y ago
We're making it work over at RPChristians - with a few differences of course: no plate spinning, etc. There's a link on the sidebar called "The Red Pill - what's Scriptural and what's not" that explains in detail where to draw the line as a Christian.
Come check it out.
kiwifx 5y ago
If you're going to stick with some core RP aspects and disregard others, and don't have a better rational argument for that occlusion than religious views, then you should stop calling it Red Pill.
Do what you do by all means, but if you're preaching against plate spinning, you're losing the abundance mentality which is vital to Red Pill theory.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Take 3 commandments out of 10 and disregard Luke, are you still Christian? :-)
kiwifx 5y ago
Well, I didn't want to start questioning their religion, but I'm pretty sure at least a few of these guys post wearing polyester, and I see a few posts made on Sundays. Why aren't the rest of these guys finding them and stoning them to death?
UshankaDalek 5y ago
The key to RPC is separating the descriptive properties ("the Red Pill lens") from the prescriptive properties (spin plates, lie, fuck around before marriage). TRP accurately describes the biologically-driven sexual dynamics between men and women in the physical world. Red Pill Christians acknowledge the optimum sexual strategy, but only use it within the constraints of Biblical instructions.
That might sound weird, so I'll use an analogy. Part of the Red Pill outlook is seeing society as it really is, and how the people that get ahead are the ones who are willing to break the rules. They may lie, steal, and abuse the system if necessary. That's not morally acceptable to me, but knowing that's how the world works has kept me from getting fucked over a few times. Similarly, Christians can use TRP sexual strategy like amused mastery, OYS, and abundance mentality while dating and apply dread after marriage.
You'd be pleasantly surprised how Red Pill the Old Testament is! David (1-2 Samuel) is the ultimate Alpha male.
Bc_Land 5y ago
I understand that this is a sexual stategy sub, but all the rest of the discussion aside, isn't this a mindset a limitation? It has been said here many times that the RP is so much more than sexual strategy. It's an approach to life. So if spinning plates is a requirement of being RP, it becomes a neediness, which is never based on abundance mentality. It becomes an excuse to chase tail and fault others for making different choices to follow their own path, which is consistent with RP philosophy. It reduces it all to just a head game to feel better about yourself while diminishing others.
I'm all about allowing others to choose their way whether I agree or not and if a man wants to harness his sexual energy in a way that empowers him to direct and control that area of his life in a productive manner, more power to him. That man is living the RP ideal as well as the one who chooses to spin plates, which IMO is a lower ideal than building his home, business and social areas in a powerful, productive and self-determined manner. Plate spinning should be a leaf on the plant. If it is part of the root system, the whole plant becomes destabilized.
rmandan 5y ago
I tried pulling it off, I found the most difficulty was in the fact that religion was moral and RP was amoral. The most RP I could get was to simply be aware of women’s hypergamous tendencies, and not letting people walk all over me. Then logic won me over.
MoDuReddit 5y ago
TRP is fundamentally incompatible with any religion. Religion is just being a cuck to local priest or their gods. Reality doesn't care about your beliefs.
MCFiletMignon 5y ago
Worded a bit crudely but yes, religion is about submitting to a 'higher power'.
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juju515 5y ago
"The uberman... Who has organized the chaos of his passions, given style to his character, and become creative. Aware of life's terrors, he affirms life without resentment."
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Doesn't need religion to soothe his soul. His soul is soothed by being superior and accepting life for what it is.