TLDR: A Savage reinterpretation of all of the fluffy before and after keto stories. This is how rookie efforts toward Self-improvement and increasing your SMV can potentially lead to The Fad Diet Trap.
Body: The Fad Diet Trap is facilitated by things like personal anecdotes and myths of primitive cultures. I decided to make a parody of a personal anecdote using a real life example, in order to contrast humor and seriousness when it comes to what outcomes can result from falling for the trap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA1U5jgr8Dk
SELF-IMPROVEMENT IS A STATE OF MIND AND A STATE OF PRACTICAL ACTION. It is essentially unanimous that lifting is a mandatory part of this SMV Improvement. Beyond that, there's no shortage of different opinions as to where you should focus your efforts... Inner game, more approaches, body language, etc. AND DIET.
There's no denying that the ketogenic diet and variations on it have taken Center Stage when it comes to online weight-loss gurus and Alternative Health practitioners. Epilepsy and glioblastoma are outside of the scope of this post.
Subsequently, You may have seen one of the many transformation videos showing weight loss before and after a ketogenic diet. This video is going to look beyond the scope of the first 30 days, 60 days, or even the first year. This is parody, but this is also reality depending on your frame.
The point of this post ...is that in American society, where ~70% of adult males are overweight or obese... One of the main sticking points in SMV Improvement is the challenge to lose weight.
Thus, welcome to the internet... The modern-day version of the Wild West when it comes to diet advice. I have seen keto and intermittent fasting verbatim described as the "Fountain of Youth". That's sweet, (or should I say savory), but...
KEY TAKEAWAY:
When celebrity Fitness Personalities encourage young men to externalize YOUR concept of masculinity and project it onto some food preferences, as if masculinity could be dependent on whether you prefer beef or beans... For those who swallow, that begins a process of abandoning oneself as a mental point of origin.
Here is an example of Brandon Carter encouraging men to do just that: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1567617829949322&id=15765096041&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&_rdr
It's all too enticing to fall into an Orbiter frame, a beta frame, whereby justifications for dietary preference can be expressed as "(Alpha) does this (whether it be keto, or vegan, or fasting, or paleo, etc) so it must be legit."
This process of Outsourcing one of the key components of your health and longevity (DIET) is compounded by fluffy anecdotal weight loss claims. I have even seen keto conflated with stoicism, as if adjusting your diet via extreme carbohydrate restriction to trigger a metabolic state that mimics starvation is somehow the ancestral, masculine way to achieve the elusive Aesthetics you desire.
Important Point
This sub is molding the minds of impressionable young men. PERIOD. Lifelong decisions and habits will be formed based on the advice and anecdotes shared. Think Fitness and Field Report Flair. People say "do your own due diligence"... Well, now young men are coming HERE to do diligence.
BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE MEN TALK ABOUT WHAT WORKS.
This is my effort to bring an undercurrent of humor with an overtone of seriousness to this topic. I see the humor and the tragedy. Do you?
Your after video... Could look like this
Further Reading
For any young men out there, it's important to weigh the evidence. There is no perfect study. In the video, the broad study is referenced:
To the best of our knowledge, this research has achieved greater weight loss at 6 and 12 months than any other trial that does not limit energy intake or mandate regular exercise.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nutd20173
If you are trying to lose weight... Does that mean you shouldn't exercise? No. Does that mean you shouldn't limit energy intake? No.
For the rabbit hole dwellers, what evidence suggests that ANY population in their natural environment consuming their traditional diet did so in a state of ketosis?
This is important, because part of The Fad diet trap is convincing you that a given strategy is natural and in accordance with how populations have lived in the past.
http://m.jbc.org/content/80/2/461.short
The observations were made in July and August, 1927, upon Baffin Island Eskimos....
The diet of the Eskimo has long been recognized as an apparent exception to this view. Being restricted almost wholly to animal tissues and containing therefore ,only a very small proportion of carbohydrate, such a diet might be expected to produce a ketosis.
It may be said at once that the Eskimo on his usual dietary shows no ketosis and has high tolerance to ingested glucose.
Conclusion
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People are confused about what to do and there is a lot of misinformation.
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Realize that you are being targeted by very savvy marketing and promotions when it comes to something as financially significant as what you pay money for to eat 3 times a day.
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You should consider the risks associated with any potential lifestyle adoption.
- After all, you don't want to end up like our friend in the video. Guard your face.
Janko630 6y ago
Women go on diets. Men cut weight.
ImSteveMcQueen 6y ago
I have no idea what the OP is trying to say, but keto works for me. Fad ? I doubt it. There are a ton of really good resources on Twitter and Youtube that spell out why it works. See "Butter Makes Your Pants Fall Off" for starters.
1.5 years ago I was slowly putting on weight every year and I was hungry all the time. All the time. If I worked out, I couldn't sleep through the night without getting hungry at 4AM. Weight loss was non existent, no matter how hard I tried. I was tired all the time. I lived in a mental fog.
After some research, I went keto and haven't looked back. I lost about 30+ pounds overall, probably 35 pounds of fat. I put on 10 pounds of muscle.
I sleep better, I'm never hungry, my biomarkers are perfect, my mood is better and I have no problem staying on the diets. When I eat carbs now, I feel horrible. Bleh ! Phoohy ! Give me a steak or bacon and eggs. Or dark chocolate and almonds. Or cheese. Or...
Keto isn't a fad. Insulin controls fat storage. Ketones control fat oxidation. Common sense is more like it.
batshttcrazy 6y ago
Well this post was 4 minutes I'll never get back.
ImSteveMcQueen 6y ago
I have no idea what the OP is trying to say, but keto works for me. Fad ? I doubt it. There are a ton of really good resources on Twitter and Youtube that spell out why it works. See "Butter Makes Your Pants Fall Off" for starters.
1.5 years ago I was slowly putting on weight every year and I was hungry all the time. All the time. If I worked out, I couldn't sleep through the night without getting hungry at 4AM. Weight loss was non existent, no matter how hard I tried. I was tired all the time. I lived in a mental fog.
After some research, I went keto and haven't looked back. I lost about 30+ pounds overall, probably 35 pounds of fat. I put on 10 pounds of muscle.
I sleep better, I'm never hungry, my biomarkers are perfect, my mood is better and I have no problem staying on the diets. When I eat carbs now, I feel horrible. Bleh ! Phoohy ! Give me a steak or bacon and eggs. Or dark chocolate and almonds. Or cheese. Or...
Keto isn't a fad. Insulin controls fat storage. Ketones control fat oxidation. Common sense is more like it.
PaulAJK 6y ago
There's ton of evidence that ketogenic diets are effective for fatloss. Lifting, IF and keto are the chubby newbie's friend, they work, theyre pretty easy to stick to and you don't have to fiddle around counting each calorie.
redpillschool Admin 6y ago
Agreed. What is OP trying to say? I had a hard time following.
PaulAJK 6y ago
I can't quite get my head around what he's saying either. Maybe it's a general warning about fad dieting, I dunno.
Parvenu76 6y ago
This post is primarily about the dangers of fad diets and one of the processes by which men are being lured into them. Diet is a complicated topic and a lot of people have invested themselves personally, so it's difficult to say just one thing about diet, in any post.
It would be a disservice to repeat what is written in the post above. Here are some more key takeaways:
Weight-loss outcomes: a systematic review and meta-analysis of weight-loss clinical trials with a minimum 1-year follow-up. Franz MJ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904936
Sadly, this study is behind a pay wall currently. It is my understanding that this study indicates the number of people who successfully lose weight through dieting and keep it off for the rest of their lives is fewer than 2 out of 100. Fewer than 2 out of 100.
In other words more than 98% of people who lose weight gain it back, which is often unhealthier than not losing it at all. Constant fluctuations in weight and drastic changes in diet are dangerous and likely lead to increases in the risk of cardiovascular disease. I know you have heard it said on this sub that men need to become the top 10%. If you want to lose weight and keep it off for life you might have to narrow that down to the top 2%.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17133237 Weight cycling during growth and beyond as a risk factor for later cardiovascular diseases: the 'repeated overshoot' theory. Montani JP
This could be criticized as a "pet" Theory, but Common Sense leads me to believe that the cycle of gaining weight and losing it and gaining it back screws up our bodies and our metabolism.
To quote the original comment which is quoted above,
I could be mistaken, but... It is my understanding that there's ton of evidence that any diet which facilitates a caloric deficit is effective for fatloss. PaulAJK, I don't intend to sound combative, but... You see what I did there?
Lifting is a must. IF and Keto are a bridge too far, for me. Just my opinion. So I intended to use humor in a video format (because Americans don't read) to show an alternate outcome... other than the one promoted most frequently.
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Lambdal7 6y ago
You lost 29lbs in a month? What was your starting weight?
Putins_Orange_Cock 6y ago
You have definitely lost a lot of muscle with that. Are you lifting?
Steadyeddie1970 6y ago
IF is very good at sparing muscle. It actually increases HGH levels.
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Putins_Orange_Cock 6y ago
If you’re not lifting you have certainly lost muscle. It’s okay though, keep up the good work. But the sooner you get to the gym, the better. You are probably in the enviable state where for the next 3-6 months you can lose fat and put muscle on.
The fitness sub reddit has excellent work out programs on its side bar. One called strong lifts seems very popular with new lifters. Maybe /u/gaylubeoil could weigh in?
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Did it for 8 months, 2 years ago. Lost 16kg.
robewar 6y ago
I've been Keto for a year. Lost over 50kg (I was morbidly obese). I am no longer a borderline diabetic and I'm in the shape of my life. I didn't do it because celebrities told me to, because I thought it was the most natural way to eat or because I thought it was Alpha. I did it because I thought "This is a diet I could easily stick to". Different things work for different people.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
Simple takeaway excess sugar is America's and soon the world's biggest problem. No not fruits or veggies as they both have something called fiber that offsets the natural sugar they have.
Talking about the hidden shit or in plain sight that's why keto is working because it's helping to reserve this bullshit.
Look if you don't like keto cool do you, if you do cool do you other than that live and let live.
For those interested watch Sugar-coated it's on Netflix it was an eye opener for me maybe for others it might be.
OlanValesco 6y ago
There are aspects of sugar that fiber offsets (like the absorption rate), but it doesn't delete the calories, which is the primary factor when storing fat. If you're chugging Metamucil and overeating on sugar, you're still going to get fat.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
What I really was saying that fruits and vegetables have a good bit of fiber to help with blood sugar not raising to much. Of course certain fruits don't have as much fiber, but again. Point still remains keto+IF for a lot of people is the miracle diet.
For me I recommend it if you have a ton of weight to lose in excess of 50 pounds.
Baloo020 6y ago
Congrats, one of the only sensible "fitness" articles here.
Parvenu76 6y ago
Thanks
MrAnderzon 6y ago
I personally find keto easy to follow
NitricTV 6y ago
Alright so I’m going to list the reasons why I started doing Keto.
Biggest reason it makes sense Keto is the seen as the diet prehistoric humans ate. I mean before civilization there was no farms people would hunt and gather. Most carbohydrate heavy food would happen only a few times a year. Also some of them could run as fast as Usain Bolt.
It’s effectively for fat loss. You know how they say we turn food we don’t need into energy via fat. Well after two months of Ketosis your body actually uses that fat.
It really helps with discipline because the world is carb heavy and basically is a temptation. Doing Keto for me at least was a lot harder than lifting weights.
It’s pretty neat if you ask me I don’t know why I’ve been seeing a lot more “Fat is bad” type of threads here lately. Everything is bad for you in excess amount.
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That's a fucking stupid reason to do anything right there.
Baloo020 6y ago
I wonder if he uses refrigerators
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Emstario 6y ago
Jesus fucking Christ no wonder people mock trp when it's filled with retards like you saying shit like this
NitricTV 6y ago
Yes because in today’s society everyone can, oh wait I’m saying that prehistoric humans could run as fast as the fastest fucking man in the world. Shut your ass up it’s very fucking interesting (but understandable) that as a species we’ve gotten slower.
All I’m saying is until you can find a group of people as fast as the fastest man without training for it then you can say I’m weird.
WalterEArmstrong 6y ago
We do know that in Africa, the cradle of humankind, hunters often simply run animals until they're exhausted. Humans can sweat and the evaporating moister cools the body but animals cannot do so and they overheat quickly and then their internal organs start to break down. Perhaps it is true the ancient man was much faster afoot than modern humans. And then agriculture came along.....
Emstario 6y ago
you have literally no evidence, maybe a coupe of fucking footprints in mud tens of thousands of years ago. And you're also wrong about the diet prehistoric humans ate, their diet boiled down to whatever they could get their hands on, and so consisted primarily of plants. there's a huge misconception that ancient humans were just cruising around with slow dopey animals grazing everywhere readily available to hunt and kill at any point. no, hunting was never easy, and was never reliable. there's a reason our digestive system resembles that of a herbivorous animal, its the main food we evolved eating.
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quansau1 6y ago
This is demonstrably false based upon all available archeological evidence in existence. We are first consumers of carbohydrates, the majority of our energy has always historically, even during hunter gather times been from carbohydrates. We can recompose ancient diets by studying the dental plaque that resides below the gum line and the ratio of other elements and their decomposition level.
NitricTV 6y ago
Even then it was no where near the amount of carbohydrates we eat now. Meat would be a lot fatter than that now. Plus fruit isn’t readily available in the winter.
quansau1 6y ago
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-paleo-diet-half-baked-how-hunter-gatherer-really-eat/
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TominatorXX 6y ago
I think he means Paleo Diet.
quansau1 6y ago
No, I'm referring to the use by both diets of siteing paleolithic era peoples' diets as the holy grail true north of ideal human caloric needs, this is based upon a false assertion that holds no ground in reaserched diets of the time. So I'm not saying it doesn't give people their desired results, like fat loss, just that the idea of the noble savage idealizes a time rife with parasites and premature death, not a time period we should envy because we didn't fact check.
TominatorXX 6y ago
I'm talking about OP and the poster above. I think the Paleo (and Keto) is highly effective or healthier for eliminating not carbs but grains. I just saw a study that discusses cancer, obesity and brain dysfunction in the elderly (dementia, Alzheimers) as linked to a grain-based, Western diet.
This is not a recent study, but makes the point:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/52faa95ee4b0b0a74811f732/t/553cc28ce4b0f714a507064e/1430045324790/High+carbohydrate+diets+and+Alzheimer%27s+disease.pdf
I am equally confused by OP's post: is he calling Keto a "fad diet" or what?
brucebannerstailor 6y ago
Please show me how your body starts using fat after two months. Where are you finding the in depth explanation of that effect? Or are you copy and pasting what some other motherfucker said about keto?
lilhurculez 6y ago
When your body is adapted to carbohydrates, it breaks that down to make ATP. If you restrict carbohydrates, your body simulates a fasting state and searches form something to oxidize, to break down into ATP so it uses your fat to do that
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Hes actually wrong about the 2 months. It starts the minute you are in true ketosis, which is roughly 2-4 weeks
NitricTV 6y ago
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lawrence_Spriet/publication/49840998_Fat_adaptation_in_well-trained_athletes_Effects_on_cell_metabolism/links/5716218808ae730bc5aeab12/Fat-adaptation-in-well-trained-athletes-Effects-on-cell-metabolism.pdf
Merry Christmas
brucebannerstailor 6y ago
You do realize this is an article on "well-trained" athletes. This is not the average person walking around on this diet.
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tibikush2012 6y ago
Humas ate fruits during the spring and summer and then some animals (and a lot of insects actually) during the winter. A true prehistoric human diet will be a fruit/insect based diet. About our bodies using fats, they always do. The only difference in keto is that the brain also starts using fats via the transformation of fat into ketons. Your muscles, heart and every internal organ usually consume 60-80% of their energy through fat oxidation.
NitricTV 6y ago
Insect is protein and again I said a few times a year on fruit thing. So what I said isn’t wrong. The body obviously use more fat while in Ketosis. But what you said diet wise kinda proves my point there wasn’t ALOT of carbs back then compared today.
tibikush2012 6y ago
Protein is not fat. In fact wild animals are not as fat as farm animals. Human diet was mainly fruits and insects (carbs and protein), leafs and roots (carrots, turnips and such). It was not a high fat diet
NitricTV 6y ago
Yes but insects are living things which means it’s much more likely to be fatty.
tibikush2012 6y ago
Tell that to a coconut or an avocado. Nuts and seeds...
WalterEArmstrong 6y ago
Human brains started to expand AFTER fire was tamed and our ancestors started cooking meat (made the proteins and fats easily digestible) and after they started breaking open bones to eat the high fat content therein (marrow). Our brains make up about 2% of our body weight yet use 20% of our energy. Without fats that wouldn't be possible.
tibikush2012 6y ago
your brain uses glucose as the primary source of energy. Since the brain cells are uncapable of performing phosforelic oxidation they can only creat ATP through glycolisis. 100% of the energy your brain uses when you are not depriving yourself of carbs is glucose
SpecialSpnk 6y ago
The brain can utilize ketones from ketosis just as, if not more effectively