Giacomo Casanova is widely considered the greatest seducer of all time. The name Casanova is synonymous with the term lady's man. However, most of us know very little about this man, whose sexual escapades have become the stuff of legend. Casanova came to fame, or infamy, with the publication of his memoirs. His memoirs span several volumes, and are the length of several books. Amazingly, all of this can be found online for free. Look up "The memoirs of Giacomo Casanova de seingalt" and click on the site called project gutenburg.
I've been reading off and on for a couple of months, and I've read nearly half of it. It is very long, which is good, because it's packed with value. It's part autobiography, part history, part field report, part sheer entertainment. The language is somewhat hard to understand, because it was written in the late 1700s and was originally written in French. If you are not an avid reader, and if you do not have a good vocabulary and ability to read classic works, then this book is probably not for you.
Casanova was a very interesting character. He was about 6'2, well built, and considered by many, including Catherine the great and Frederick the great, to be one of the handsomest men around. He personally did not believe himself to be that good looking, although he did describe himself as having the physical qualities which "are a passport to society". He was witty, endlessly curious, and decently educated. He was an excellent conversationalist, and he on many occasions managed to charm the aristocracy of the day. He met characters such as Voltaire, Ben Franklin, Frederick the Great, Catherine the Great, Louis the 15th, and many, many more. In fact, he was the author of the libretto for Mozart's opera, Don Giovanni, which was due in part to his reputation as a skilled seducer and "libertine". For reference, the term "libertine" is defined as a person without sexual morals.
That said, Casanova should not be put on a pedestal. He was a flawed man, like we all are. He had good in him, and he had bad in him.
Casanova was no stoic. He was very emotional, and fell in love with many, many women. His intense emotional nature both helped and harmed him. In one of his first romantic encounters, he was 16 and in love with a girl who absolutely refused to consummate the relationship before marriage. However, with Casanova, things tended to be "out of sight, out of mind". Once away from a girl, he would "sober up", and he could never commit totally to one woman, although in his early years he did try. When he was offended, or wronged in any way, his temper could become very dangerous. One man who had kept him locked in a military compound enraged him so much that he and several others ganged up on him at night and beat him nearly to death. He was very inclined towards revenge, which did not often bode well for him.
Casanova had an abnormally high level of desire for both love and pleasures of the flesh. This was the driving force behind his whole life. In some instances his tender, good hearted side shined through. He would often help girls out if they were in desperate need of money. In one instance a girl he knew, who was very beautiful, was running away to be with her lover, who her father did not approve of. Casanova hid her in his room, and she slept naked in his bed. He was very tempted to sleep with her, but he did nothing because he felt bad for the girl and did care about her. On another occasion, he fell in love with a girl and promised her marriage, and the promise was actually genuine, until they were separated and he had time to think. Feeling bad for deceiving the girl, he arranged a marriage between her and a very handsome, virtuous nobleman. The two ended up in a very happy relationship.
However, his love of pleasure often led him down dark roads as well. In one instance, he purchased the services of a young girl being prostituted by her mother. When she refused to have sex, he gave her a beating, which later caused him to go to court. In another instance, there was a beautiful girl he wished to court, but he could not obtain an audience with her. In his memoirs, he admits that this was not his finest hour, and that he has no explanation for his evil actions. What he does is, he waits for her to go in the basement to do laundry, and when he sees her he immediately grabs her and gets to work. He wanted to have his way with her, and was inclined to use force if necessary. He does not end up doing this, at least in total, because he falls into a laughing fit due to hearing loud sounds. The girl immediately runs away.
Besides his violent, "rapey" tendencies, he also had 0 qualms about sleeping with married women. In one story, he and a gang of his friends in the orchestra are out roaming the streets causing trouble, and they somehow end up "kidnapping" a married woman. After they have dinner with her, they tell her of their plan to all sleep with her. She is excited, and consents. 8 people thus "run a train" on her, and then they return her to her home.
There is a lot to be learned from reading these memoirs. They are a goldmine of information on the history of the time period and culture, as well as of course the information on Casanova's methods of seduction and just his general life advice. The man lived one of the most interesting lives of all time. I won't bother delving into the different lessons to be learned, because you have to read it yourself, and take what you want from it.
dmystery 6y ago
Is there any red pill literature that just describes a normal healthy relationship? No romance bullshit just a captain and his first mate. I’m trying to reset my mental conceptions of what a healthy relationship should be and am struggling to find an account of what it means to have a healthy relationship.
TheReformist94 6y ago
You're realising that women couldn't give a fuck about relationships and that contrary what trp preaches, women cudnt give a fuck about your commitment!
red_matrix 6y ago
Have you read Rollo's books? Look up The Rational Male.
dmystery 6y ago
I’ve read Book of Pook, No More Mr. Nice Guy and 48 Laws of Power so far; I’ll have a look at Rational Male, thanks!
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Fellow unicorn seeker!
You’ve just read a perfectly good description of a man having multiple healthy relationships with women.
If this is not enough for you then perhaps sucking the false milk from a blue pill tit of so called societal norms may be better suitable to your needs. Needs of being lied to.
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khabutu 6y ago
I love this work! It definitely has more to teach in regards to living without fear and from a warrior's mindset rather than how to manage your woman. I would definitely recommend it as well, it provides a comprehensive look at the classical times when society was red-pilled to the core.
swejap 6y ago
A captain and his first mate? Wow, that's gay.
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
Good luck finding one of these.
Women are so entitled and give so little. There is absolutely no concept in their minds of "healthy relationship". What feels healthy for her is to continue her entitled carefree responsibility-free easy life. Getting a contribution from her is like getting blood out of a stone - she'll only go to any effort at all if you're 2-3 SMV points above her, super confident, non-exclusive and she knows you can and will fuck other women.
If you are exclusive then she knows she can do nothing, and that's exactly what she will be doing. Exclusivity is female-speak for future mealticket, and the training begins at once.
TheReformist94 6y ago
Huh? I thought women wanted commitment and relationships? sarc
ComradeDurdenTRP 6y ago
As men, we would do well to give up on the fantasy of the 'Swiss Army Knife' girlfriend. Meaning a NAWALT unicorn that's sexually attracted to us and aims to please; who follows our lead and obeys our every command; one who's actually supportive of our career, fitness, and creative goals, shares similar interests, and has more to bring to the table than just her body.
In fact, we should take a page out of women's sexual strategy instead. If she's horny and wants to be properly fucked, she goes to Chad. If it's comfort and support she covets, that's what the Beta Boyfriend is for. And should she be in need of attention, validation, or any kind of help, there are entire hordes of orbiters waiting in the wings to assist m'lady.
Naturally, as men, we don't have the same breadth of options as women do. But we can mentally compartmentalize people based on our needs and desires in a similar fashion. If you want sex, get yourself a rotation of plates that you can fuck on the regular. Cooking and cleaning? Most of modern women are incapable of it anyway; plus, you're a grown ass adult. You should be able to take care of yourself. Want support and camaraderie? Amass a carefully selected social circle of like-minded bros and encourage one another to succeed. Loyalty and devotion? That's what dogs are for, etc.
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
I take this one stage further and have multiple suppliers for my needs. It's not "one girl for sex", it's several girls for sex.
There's not much else that women offer beyond sex and fun times.
Psychocist 6y ago
If you're talking about one-on-one lifetime monogamous relationships - they are an invention. Who says they are even capable of being healthy over ever-extending lifespans? It's just an ideal, and it's based on our desperate need for security and pathetic urge to possess others. She is yours, it's always your turn. How comforting. Even the captain/mate dynamic is a romanticising of this same exclusive relationship.
Stop looking for "healthy" relationships until you have a genuine healthy relationship with yourself. Litmus test for that is if you can enjoy your own company for extended periods of time. You can then measure the healthiness of other relationships by that standard. You'll come to the same conclusion: the selfish, possessive, security-seeking relationships you have in your head are fundamentally unhealthy.
untonyto 6y ago
Not even addressed to me but I'm somehow feeling the burn!
Hyper_Sonik 6y ago
It's not an invention. Healthy relationship's existed at one point. It's that society has changed as well as corrupted. Hypergamy CAN be kept in check.
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Hyper_Sonik 6y ago
When hypergamy was kept in check. Before the age of feminism.
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Hyper_Sonik 6y ago
And now that the pendulum has swung the other way, men are the ones suffering. So where's the middle ground?
Revo_Luzione 6y ago
Solid writing & analysis here. Thank you for your post, this is quality stuff that I'd like to see more of on this forum.
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Thanks. It would certainly be nice to have more quality and variety of stuff here.
UncleChido 6y ago
He didn’t have any rapey tendencies. Casanova abhorred seeing a lady in distress. There’s not a single story of his raping any woman.
He had a way of making reluctant woman aware of what they tend to lose. A sort of sabotage, which is different.
Definitely a must-read for serious people.
Source: I’ve read the complete book.
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The story of him wanting to have sex with a girl and then just going for it, saying he would use violence if necessary, technically counts as rape or at least him planning to rape if he had to. I'm not saying he did this frequently, but it did happen at least once. It's hard to judge his character, because he definitely did a lot of good stuff, but like I said he could get pretty violent and focused on revenge.
DayIngham 6y ago
He wasn't the librettist for Don Giovanni.
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He helped out with it though.
DayIngham 6y ago
Possible but unproven. Certainly not 'the author'.
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He and Lorenzo da Ponte worked together I think.
DayIngham 6y ago
Da Ponte had still been writing the libretto right up until opening night (while Mozart still hadn't even finished the overture or some scenes)!
But then I think Da Ponte wasn't around Prague for the premiere, and it's possible that the libretto was passed on to another writer for last-minute tweaking.
The reason some people think it could have been Casanova is because he was in Prague at the time, was a friend and fellow libertine of Da Ponte, and some dialogue for one of the scenes was found in his notebook.
None of this dialogue appears in the finished opera, however, so some say he could have just been messing around for his own amusement, rather than actually having contributed anything.
It's a cool idea and slightly plausible, but that's as far as it goes.
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