Backstory, """Recovering""" incel wanting to "ascend". In terms of looks I am utterly average: 19M, 5'11", skinny'ish BMI of 20, 6/10'ish face based on photofeeler (although I cannot take pics for shit, so it could be a bit more) got told I have a "nice face" by a few girls. Disowned by incels by being "too attractive" even though I got absolutely no attention from girls in the past 2+ years and still am a dateless, "friendless" KV.
Anyway, the "book of pook" is written by a guy who is tall, and has been approached by females even before starting to "self-improve" which is the complete opposite to me as I have never been approached by a female. The book itself also assumes that I have had success with women in the past, be it in the form of getting a girlfriend. I am utterly undesirable in the eyes of women whereas "pook" did say that he had some women approach him, meaning that he was desirable.
I don't even think this whole book applies to people like me, rather, relatively normal people that have had some degree of success with women but wanted to fuck hotter ones.
kcxvi 5y ago
Your attitude and confidence is the problem. Fix it
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
"ascend" like in "shot somebody"?
Yup, already a few bitches gave you heavy IOI. Perhaps you have Aspergers syndrome, perhaps they gave you IOIs earlier, you didn't notice. Girls who tell man explicitly that he has a pretty face are actually asking for a date. What did you do then? Said "thank you" or "I know"? Got their numbers? F-closed?
You actually contradicted yourself - girls (more than one) told that you have a pretty face? No attention in the past 2+ years? Who were they, your mom and the midwife?
Is it? I've read it all, two times, and have no fucking idea who the author is. Please, tell us more. There's interesting discussion in the comments, u/CopperFox3c drops interesting facts, and this is the sole reason I haven't reported your post because it should go to AskTRP.
Another contradiction.
Girls have approached you, but you were clueless.
Okay. And? You don't like it? Fine. Leave it. Get another book, another sidebar article, read about the exactly same ideas, only in different wording.
Unless you came here just to hear we're sorry about your sad state and that we can't help. TRP can help you. Do you want it?
xtsv 5y ago
The girls that told me I have a pretty face did so 2+ years ago. I tried asking one out, she agreed, but I fucked up by getting too attached to quick, I won't go into more detail than that. My life has been a dry spell and I got no attention since.
He states that he got approached by girls and is 6'3" in the "what every skinny guy should know" section.
RedPillCoach 5y ago
Pook is a toolbox that provides the right mindset for banging hotties. It is long and drags on spots so the strategy as with all recommended rp books is to take what you can use and reject what you cant after due consideration.
Gratz on your recovery. I wish more incels would wake up and stop giving up. The world is yours but you have to put down the game controller and take a look around.
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Fritz_Frauenraub 5y ago
There's wisdom in the "book of pook" but I was distracted by the fact that I became obsessed with the concept that it was written by an Asian.
That weird precious, twee diction just reminds me of anime type culture. Also at one point he starts talking about cooking rice which would never occur to a non asian
Probably Korean...the pilled asians.
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So then lift and get tot he point where you are having success with women.
Either you're severely overestimating your looks or you cannot talk to women for shit or both. I know plenty of 5'11 skinny-ish guys with 6/10 face that get laid like crazy.
So just read the sidebar, and fucking lift.
Also there is tons of advice in pook's book that applies to men in general, not just ones that attract women. Internalize that shit.
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Whitified 5y ago
Pook mentioned he's Texan. Only thing about himself he told us
inexorable_stratagem 5y ago
Are you sure about that ? I heard Pook was from USA. Thats what is in his profile in SoSuave if I remember right
kopalniasoli 5y ago
Your question amounts to: does every person living in America have an American background?
jonpe87 5y ago
Dude don't read it, it's outdated, just see the first 15 lessons..
Girls nowdays are fucking dumb, at 16 I was slaying pussy being ugly with a lot of acne and skinny... but in 10 minutes I was asking to them: do you swallow or spit? You just need to act like you want nothing from them at first and play around, treat them like one of your male friends.
You need to know girls, talk with them and have a social circle, and you will see that they are not worth that much that you is thinking now.
Once you get rid of this frame of pendestalization that is paralise focus in have success in your life, and girls will be an afterthought.
The one who seems not hungry is the one that is fed
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Lavlamp 5y ago
Practice. Try, fail, try again until you succeed. Like anything in life, you keep getting back up and fighting for what you want.
Rian_Stone 5y ago
it's parables. do you relate to the book of job?
Besides, I remember someone from so suave saying it was a fake player who wrote it anyways... it's just a tool. man
CopperFox3c 5y ago
Pook was not a fake player. He was actually a lawyer I believe, who learned a bunch of shit from an old dude named Anti-Dump. He got jacked in the gym, fixed his inner game, had some success with women. Typical RP tale.
Anti-Dump, according to what I was told, was an old guy who accessed the internet in the late 1990's by typing on a keyboard connected to his TV.
I can tell some stories, if you're curious.
inexorable_stratagem 5y ago
Please tell us some stories! Im a BIG fan o Pook and AD.
Im on this journey because of Pook. His book is like a bible to me. I read it over and over again when I need.
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Well i am really curious about it.
Rian_Stone 5y ago
I am. ironwood never really touched on so suave in manosphere... he focused a lot on dalorck
CopperFox3c 5y ago
For you and /u/alisemihc:
I only showed up at the tail end of that era. Anti-Dump preceded my time. Anti-Dump had a bunch of writings that constituted his "machine", which was basically a method for filtering for high interests girls. I recall some very old threads circa 2000, many of them lost to time, of Pook asking AD about specific scenarios he was having with girls. Some of them eerily similar to shit you still see on askTRP today.
At that time I showed up, I recall a lot of people were sniping at Pook. He was already an icon, so the whole crabs-in-the-bucket mentality was in full effect. Goofballs trying to prove him wrong. Think that was one of the reasons he left, got tired of the incessant arguing. Every day new BP busloads rolling in going "but why tho". Kind of foreshadowing why we have the "respect the EC tag" rule around here. There were others there at the time, Senor Fingers for one, who I thought was on his level. After Pook left he purportedly ran some blog, Pook's Mill. He would apparently poke his head into SoSuave, think his last login was like 2013. But I don't recall him ever posting or commenting after around 2006 when I first got there. Some also claimed Shark was Pook, but I seriously doubt it. Pook didn't get everything right, but he shifted the focus to more on inner game than it had been before.
One of my favorite Pook posts, in the book but most people don't make it past the 15 Lessons. Definitely one of the posts that encouraged me originally to get in the gym years ago (even though I think Pook was exaggerating how quickly he put that muscle mass on): https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/what-every-skinny-guy-should-know.60002/
CrowleyEusford 5y ago
Does someone actually know what happened to Pook?
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Thanks for this.Really interesting to read about old times.
rocknrollchuck 5y ago
Pretty sure they are covered in the Anti-Dump's Machine PDF. Or were there more?
CopperFox3c 5y ago
There were more. Those are snippets that Pook collected a few years after the fact, and collated into a coherent "book". Highlights, basically. Most of the original threads are long gone. Typical of the internet back then, server space wasn't such a cheap commodity.
Rian_Stone 5y ago
interesting. guess he didn't draft a. big goodbye post on his way out then ????
Thanks. I love this history shit.
rocknrollchuck 5y ago
I'm glad you asked all this, I didn't know either. OTOH I thought Anti-Dump's Machine was pretty good for what it was.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
From a historical perspective, this is pure gold:
GL_QUAD 5y ago
Pretty good? More like sidebar material, I'd say.
It covers similar concepts to what goes around these days. But if you have an exceptionally thick skull, like me, hearing a few different versions, to get the message across, surely helps. Currently on page 13 of 50, reading... and he does a good job at explaining why scarcity mentality is a bad deal for any man.
Thanks for the link, BTW!
rocknrollchuck 5y ago
You're welcome. If you are looking for more reading material, search The Red Pill for "THE RED PILL MEGA BOOK COLLECTION V2.0!!!"
We_Are_Legion 5y ago
Thank you very much for this. There's a great collection.
roiddit 5y ago
All of your comments are you resisting lifting "because it won't do anything" and you acting as if you have any idea as to what is going on whilst asking for advice.
You are either a troll or hopeless.
Take the advice you're asking for. Start with lifting, the rest will follow with experience. Smfh
Lavlamp 5y ago
Just a dumb kid (every 19 y.o is a dumb kid) looking for excuses to not put in work. He doesn't want advice, he wants to bitch about how unfair the world is. He got kicked from the incel sub so now he's here.
roiddit 5y ago
With enough suffering he'll figure it out.
19RomeoQuebec 5y ago
Your title should be "ENTITLED misfit"
Why is it that younger men cant seem to grasp simple concepts of self improvement and awareness.
If you want something you have to literally go out and do something about it!!! No one wants a FAT SLOB FAPPING MACHINE as a friend or lover. simple science and math. LIFT WEIGHTS + GET FIT = FRIENDS + HOES
xtsv 5y ago
I just fail to see how lifting would do that. Women wouldn't suddenly start approaching me just because I am fit.
I wouldn't go from undesirable to desirable just because of a bit more muscle.
iBchyllen247365 5y ago
I can’t even begin to scratch the surface on the irony of this comment. You don’t know anything. Go lift for a year or two then look at this comment. You will laugh.
You need to read the sidebar, stop enjoying self-victimization, and start lifting.
Or just self-victimize your whole life because self-responsibility is too much of a burden for you. It’s your choice.
RedPillCoach 5y ago
You are the man and it is you who approach women, not the other way around!
The gym may not cause women to fall down in front of you fumbling for your junk but it will give you some badly needed T and confidence so you can take the initiative instead of making excuses!
Merrywinds 5y ago
You might go from undesirable to ok, then from ok to hot. Nobody goes from shit to hot immediately. What is certain is that if you don't do anything, you will not change and it is your fault by your own choice.
rocknrollchuck 5y ago
As your body transforms, your mindset and confidence will follow.
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Lavlamp 5y ago
It's not a women's job to approach you, that's a man's job. And yes, you 100% will be more desirable for being fit. Would you rather sleep with a girl who has the body of a 11 year old girl? Why would a women want to sleep with a guy who has the body of an 11 year old boy?
Did you come here for help or for a new place to bitch about how unfair life is? This isn't the place for that, either shut up and listen or gtfo.
xtsv 5y ago
Even though it is the man's job to approach girls, I still hear about average men getting approached by women, which makes me think about how low my SMV actually is.
Lavlamp 5y ago
Have fun, and make everyone in the room feel like they mean something to you. When you can do this, girls will want to be in your orbit.
RedPillCoach 5y ago
Stop cock blocking yourself.
Mickleton_Mouseroo 5y ago
No, ofc not, you go from undesireable to a little less undesirable, and over time those incremental improvements in your body add up. In addition to lifting however, you should be challenging yourself in new social situations, activities, knowledge acquisition etc. Building all of those skills in parallel, and the end product IS A DESIRABLE MAN. Any questions?
xtsv 5y ago
I highly doubt that women would find someone Alpha Destiny more attractive than some otter mode faggot. From what I have seen, there is a limit to how attractive your body can make you, and after which point any gains have an adverse effect on your SMV.
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True, but people here don't wanna hear it.
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Yeah. You really think it's that simple? It's not boi, or i am just really genetically undesirable.
RedPillCoach 5y ago
No, your young and inexperienced and you exude the incel aura. Girls can smell desperation and right now girls your age are rock stars. It will not last long.
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When they hit the wall i won't be there anymore...
19RomeoQuebec 5y ago
Like I said you don't get it. But i will spell it out for you. You have 0 XP points. A guy who works out has 35 XP.
So you need XP to buy charisma points. each charisma point cost 35 XP.
So in essence you have added more to your life, this is all about building rapport. You now have something you can talk to people about, you now have 35XP.
you can now unlock 4 charisma points. because before you had 0, fucking goose eggs.
If you can understand this you are en-route to enlightenment.
"The pool guy is not the pool guy because he is knowledgeable. The pool guy is the pool guy because he can wear the shorts".
Thalimarcus 5y ago
Nice dude, like that d&d style explanation.
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Appearantly i have 4 charisma points. Is that enough for girls to approach me?
RedPillCoach 5y ago
No but it is enough for you to be the man and approach.
swipedstripes 5y ago
You approach girls. Not the other way around. They might have approached you already with some indirect gesture. Girls don't approach in a direct way. They approach by being in your vision and area at all time making suggestive gestures so you can talk to them. Not all of them do this but most of them do.
It's a way they use to absolve themselves of blame. Yeah that cute guy approached me, she said while bending and showing her ass picking up the keys she dropped.
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They didn't. What i thought that they aproached me was actually them being friendly...
ObnoxiousDrunk 5y ago
Um yes, they do! When I go out, I routinely get “dayyyuum”’s from bitches. I used to be just slightly out of shape and no muscles. Hit the gym, started mountain biking and a couple years later get told by women I am “intimidatingly hot”. That’s what you want. To intimidate women(not like that, for any of you blue pill fuckwits lurking). That’s what they want. That’s what gives them the pussytingles.
xtsv 5y ago
And what would you describe your body type?
ObnoxiousDrunk 5y ago
6’2” 185lbs. Built like a swimmer. That took a solid 3 years to build.
My point was that women 100% will change how they interact with you if you’re physically attractive. When you get women approaching you, your attitude will shift before you know it. That new attitude will attract even more women. Cue snowball.
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Cope, bro, it's your face, i'm fit and a lot of others are too and never get approached lol. U think alphadestiny gets approached or admired by girls? Hahaha next joke please.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
“Its like a finger pointing away to the moon. Dont concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.”
-Bruce Lee
This is the problem with the incels. They're missing the forest for the trees aka the bigger picture.
furiouszeno 5y ago
Stop focusing on pook's claimed success and just absorb the message. It's all the same stuff that is preached all over this subreddit, just in a different writing style.
It's hard to make a judgement from three paragraphs of text, but honestly it sounds like your problem is you are boring, have a total lack of self confidence and probably don't put yourself in any situations where you could even hope to meet women (ex: social events).
Basically, you are me when I was around the same age. And I'll tell you, probably all you need is to start seriously lifting 2-4 times a week and stick with it for the next 12-24 months (shit takes time!), get some new hobbies, preferably ones that force you to leave the house and involve physical activity. Then at the same time, work on your self confidence. Stop caring so much what other people think of you. Does that girl think I am a 6 or an 8? Who gives a fuck what a girl thinks! Stop it. Get your hamster in check.
And if you are friend-less, well holy fuck, go makes some friends. Go walk up to people and talk to them, its not going to kill you, and they will probably be happy that someone has taken an interest in them!
Anyway. Keep reading the material here, but pay attention to the lesson behind the text, that is what you need to absorb. Stop comparing yourself to everyone else, that's just a distraction to keep you in a cycle of self-pitty oh woe is me i'll never succeed boo-hoo. Stop finding excuses to ignore the work you need to do. Did you actually go try any of the shit that pook wrote about? Why the fuck not?
Christ man, 5' 11" and not fat with a decent face? Your body is not even the problem, its your fucked up mental state and attitude.
Tie5o11 5y ago
Agreed. To me the core message of Pook is his mindset. It is written with an eternal optimism. Its a tone that Ive noticed in other highly successful people.
I would agree that genetics matter a lot, but anyone 5'11 and decent looking has enough to work with to become successful with women, if he puts in the work...
RedPillCoach 5y ago
I have a 5'7" friend who has 3 hot plates , a wife, and a smoking girlfriend who does threesomes with him.
CocaineOnYourClit 5y ago
Lmao is this a meme or something
RedPillCoach 5y ago
Dude is a charming with the gift of gab and a happy disposition but he is not anything special. A single 40 something guy can nail lots of 30 something single mom tail. The key is first to lift weights (no lie- even at 5'7" being a stacked manlet makes a real difference). Second, to truly NGAF.
CocaineOnYourClit 5y ago
Yeah but 3 plates 1 gf 1 wife??
inexorable_stratagem 5y ago
What the fuuuuck
3 plates 1 wife 1 girlfriend
xtsv 5y ago
I already utilised half of it when interacting with women. It's just, the fact that I have no female friends to socialise with anymore as I got too attached to the last one, I have learned from my mistake but unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to keep trying.
NightTripInsights 5y ago
You aren't supposed to have female friends, stop it dude. Bros are friends, women are potential fucks. Don't pretend you try to have female platonic friends because you think they make good friends. The whole premise of us being here is to avoid that friendzone BS.
Edit: What I'm saying is you aren't going to get anywhere with a woman trying to be friends first. I know you see goodlooking women on the regular, just go and talk to them without trying to be their friend but rather their man.
xtsv 5y ago
Having female friends increases your exposure to other females and thus your chances of getting laid.
It's exponential growth of your exposure, assuming that your chances are directly correlated with exposure it would mean that I'd actually get laid.
rocknrollchuck 5y ago
"A friend she sees, a friend you be."
-Pook
NightTripInsights 5y ago
Lol, no. Girls see a guy hanging out with one of their friends without any sexual tension and they think you are the token gay friend or at least the straight guy who's too big a pussy to just ask girls out so they feel comfy being 'friends' with you (while asking for rides, needing favors, and telling you all the soft emotional garbage they don't dare spill on men they like). You are ultimately being in their frame if you try to be friends without sexual tension, and with sexual tension you are not friends. So cut the creepy be friends with them game. Women see through that shit a mile away. Have women you flirt with, tease, and kiss, those are qualities that friend's don't possess so ultimately you shouldn't want to be friends with them. Be friendly (if you must per your route of game), but not a friend. A friend title cancels all those possibilities out and signals to other women how you value your time and how women value you.
one_eyed_zoro 5y ago
There is no such thing as incels, you choose to be celibate wether you realize it or not. While people say lift and it might be helpful, I don't fully agree. You dont need anything then who you are to get laid. However, I am a believer in always going after the best version of yourself you can imagine. If lifting helps that, do it, but you can laid often without going to a gym.
By calling yourself incel, you're shooting yourself in the foot and basically screaming at women you're pathetic, thirsty, and low value. You have to believe you are a prize women should work to earn, that no woman is worth lowering yourself for her pussy, and love your own life more than getting your dick wet.
My advice, stop trying to get laid and focus on seeing how far you can get with each woman without actually sleeping with her. Everything you do should not be to get laid, but because you don't care if you do or not. The more emotionally invested you are in a woman in any way, the less attractive you are to her. Your incel identity screams you're so emotionally and ego invested in sex that women can smell your ceepiness for miles.
Focus on having fun, doing things for yourself, and never let sex get more important than your non sex life.
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one_eyed_zoro 5y ago
It doesn't counteract reality. Sure some prizes are better than others, but that doesn't mean we as man shouldn't take pride in ourselves and set standards which women should strive to live up to. Modern men far too easily treat women as prizes and end up putting them on pedestals
187oddfuture 5y ago
What you need to do is start lifting and take ownership of your body. You can’t change your face. Stop worrying about it. Ever see a girl with a weird face but she had a nice body, and you thought: “yeah I’d still hit that”. Girls are people too. (OMG!!) They think the same way. She’d rather bang a shredded dude with a “weird” face than some skinny fat dude that’s perfectly symmetrical. All that shit seems to even out once you’re fit anyways. Go to a gym, lift some free weights. Start with Stronglifts. Start eating real food instead of easy ready made processed shit. Start looking up style guides. Honestly assess your wardrobe. Pick a look you want and start working for it. If you can’t grow a full beard, shave it off. Create a look that shows the best version of yourself and work for it. The sidebar is only as effective as the results you work for.
xtsv 5y ago
That's the thing, my face isn't "weird" it's average, as I said in the post. I think my main problem is the lack of opportunity to socialise with women.
Hopefully going to the gym will expose me to more women.
inexorable_stratagem 5y ago
What the fuck
Lack of oportunities
What. The. Fuck.
SweatyAdvance 5y ago
The gym will expose you to weights. Sounds like you could use that exposure.
RedPillCoach 5y ago
Women are an addition to an already good life. Work on that! No woman is going to take a suboptimal life and make it better.
Go to the gym for the iron, not the spandex.
Be aware at all times. Who knows? Next week you might be standing in line for a smoothie and you notice hottie number 1 without her tights standing in front of you. That is the time to introduce yourself, throw out some bait and start a conversation. Then the next time you see her in the gym call he by name, say hi, and then ignore her while you go about your business. When she follows you or initiates a conversation that is when you make the move to a new venue- after you are done working out of course. Don't be afraid to make her wait!
furiouszeno 5y ago
Holy fuck, the gym is not for socializing with women, its for working on yourself. And women at the gym don't want to talk to you anyway. If you want to meet women, go where women go when they want to meet guys -> the bar! No shit, right? Or at least try the beach or something. You could join a club for singles, shit then you already know they are available and looking for a guy.
Come on man....
xtsv 5y ago
Maybe that's the case in the US but in the UK shit is completely different.
Bars are almost non-existent here and most girls that do go out clubbing are usually in their own female social groups and not looking to make friends. I guess some pubs could work but most of them are filled with middle-aged men.
rocknrollchuck 5y ago
Maybe this will give you some ideas:
Surprising places to meet women in the UK
bluemoviebaz 5y ago
That’s total Bollocks stop making excuses
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xtsv 5y ago
I don't go out much in general as I don't have friends that go out, so it's a bit of a pickle there pal.
187oddfuture 5y ago
Now that you’re in the UK, here’s my new advice: GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE UK. Take advantage of the pound’s value while it lasts, stack cash, and move to the US ASAP. The UK is done, by the time you’re 30 men will literally be slaves or the Muslims will take over. The country’s literally doomed and if you stay there you’ll only go down with it.
furiouszeno 5y ago
You don't need friends to go out. Sounds like you just enjoy making excuses.
xtsv 5y ago
Literally everyone here goes out in groups.
187oddfuture 5y ago
does that really surprise you? The women aren't trying to get acid thrown in their faces or groomed by their friendly neighborhood migrants. I don't blame them.
xtsv 5y ago
Yeah, that could be the case if I didn't live in a 99%+ white area.
I haven't seen a minority in weeks.
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