For a while I've been curious about one gf the main tenants we hold around here: that masturbation, whilst not bad, does lessens some of the elements of what makes you a man. Not someone who always takesv things at face value, I decided to try the two sides of it: not masturbating for an extended duration, and teen masturbating offten for an extended duration.
First, my few months of non-touchy-touchy-myself: the first few days are easy, literally nothing of note. About a week in I felt more focused, but quite horny quite offten. Two weeks in, I'd closed a few times with a few girls, but only cum once (not exactly an issue, I just don't cum easy). Tension released, but the focus and control remained. I decided to try make it to a month not Cumming at all, so just ignore women for a bit. Easier said than done, but I managed. At months end I felt powerful. I life regularly (currently at 180kg deadlift), etc etc, but this was different. My mind felt secure, and sharp. It was constantly ready with a witty retort, was never anxious, and always able to perform at its highest level without needing to prep.
I thrn gave myself some rebound time. Had a few one night stands, masturbated about once a week for 3 weeks, and then went to the other extreme.
Masturbating 1 or +1 everyday: just bloody hell. Within the first days I was tired constantly, having naps and wandering around thev house doing nothing. I had equal shit to do as I had in the month off, but now I just had no drive, no willpower. I forced myself into a cold shower to see if I could even do that. Week two was no better. Girls I had lined up said I sounded weird. My game was off, and I was anxious about meeting them or doing stuff, as what if the boy couldn't rise to the occasion, which had become the norm about half way through week two. Whilst I'm normally a good size, now I was hardly able to rock a semi, and the effort I had to put in was monstrous to be able to feel pleasure. Idk if what it was was even pleasure now. Its more like taking meds: it was something I had to do to dull an element of myself. I think this similie of medicating my masculinity is probably the most apt I can think of. I gave up half way though week three. I felt no joy in the challenge and my willpower was gone. It may be because we all work hard so we can mate and orgasm, but if the orgasms are constant that drive is gone. Idk, that's just me theorising.
In short: once in a while, if you're on a bad streak, I can't see how it could hurt. If you do it more than 3 times a month, you owe it to yourself to see what it's like without that constraint, as it is a constraint.
Edit 1: Sorry for the shitty grammar, was writing on my phone. And thanks for getting em to front page, made all that suffering worth it.
BornShook 5y ago
I read somewhere (sorry dont have the source) that testosterone levels go down after masturbating, but after sex T levels actually increase. After I get some pussy, I feel fulfilled. It feels great. But after fapping, I usually feel like shit. "Shit" as in the feeling of regret from blowing my load in the toilet bowl when I could have been jizzing on some bitches face.
DeontologicalSanders 5y ago
In my opinion, it's not really about abstaining or being celibate, but about the context in which you do it. Masturbation is fine. Porn is fucking not.
When you spend time on Pornhub, you're creating a made-up fantasy world in which you're some fat, hairy Arabic bedouin who has control over the closest desert oasis for 600 miles. You have an imaginary harem full of women who are willing to fuck you 6 at a time in exchange for a daily ration of water. If that were actually the case, great; why the fuck would you ever need to put forth any effort or improve yourself?
But in reality, you're not lording over anything. You're deceiving a part of your brain that is too primitive to know any better. The only thing you have control over is crusty bed sheets you haven't changed in a month and a right palm perpetually lubed up with lavender-scented Jergens. Shit's gross.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Avoiding sex because you want to concentrate on your man powers is kinda missing the point...
CAPIreland 5y ago
I completely get what you're saying, but IDK, i think the red pill is a little more than just a guide to sex. Don't get me wrong, I missed it for a month, but I don't need it. I just decided I'd rather have a definite answer than a girl on my dick of a night.
Swan_in_a_Cage 5y ago
What? Why are they mutually exclusive?
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https://selfdefinition.org/celibacy/quotes/napoleon-hill-sex-transmutation-part-1.htm
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JohnBravo9990 5y ago
I tried the no sex thing once in college. Wanted to clear my head of women after a nasty breakup. Lasted about 6 weeks. Not scientific, but I was working out and running like a madman. I think there is something to it.
Overdoing I’m guessing is just like abusing a drug. You get used to the high and feel depressed the rest of the time.
buttgoogler 5y ago
Yes, once in a while can't harm you, but constant jerking off kills you. I'm talking death grip issues, porn addiction, low testosterone and all that. I actually remember how after a long fap-streak I had a ONS with that one girl and first I couldn't get hard and then couldn't cum. Disaster, but at least I knew the route of my problem.
ssr402 5y ago
Wasn't there a Seinfeld episode about this?
CAPIreland 5y ago
Please god's let me be a Seinfeld episode.
icanhazTRP 5y ago
There was. They made a bet about who could last the longest on nofap. Can't remember the title, but google it and you'll surely find it.
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FeralRed 5y ago
The Nofap pendulum....
Not jerking off at all = bad. It becomes consumptive, all you think about. You should be thinking about your goals, not how many days you kept your hands off your peepee. I hear there's a subreddit for that.
Jerking off too much = bad. DUH. Unless creating your own cumbox (I'm NOT linking that story..look it up) is one of your goals.
Turn off the metronome.
Swan_in_a_Cage 5y ago
Wait what?
You can be completely celibate and not think about sex.
FeralRed 5y ago
Strip away everything you can.
We are designed by evolution to FUCK. Those few nutjobs that appear to buck evolution by celibacy are in fact proving it.... they don't and won't pass on their defective genes.
Swan_in_a_Cage 5y ago
We are designed to eat, but fasting can be healthy.
Similarly, we are designed to fuck, but also to restrain ourselves to be healthy.
FeralRed 5y ago
Define healthy in the context of it being better to the organism.
You're putting self actualization before basic needs. Maslow would shit himself.
priestfrommiddleeast 5y ago
Well, we live off the creations of a man who died a virgin: Nikola Tesla.
While I agree with the fact that we are designed to fuck, there are certain examples of virgins who had an insane drive to change the world. Et voilà.
Swan_in_a_Cage 5y ago
Eh, I don't know about that man.
I know people that have been celibate for 20 years and are pretty self-actualized.
FeralRed 5y ago
And what significance does that bring to.....
"TRP's mission is to discuss men's identity, sexual strategy, and options in the context of our current global culture for the benefit of men."
Checking out is an option, but it's a shitty option. Suicide is also an option.
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whatsthisgarg 5y ago
oh shit, now he's going with this shit; this is the most basic fucking feminist shaming tactic
Swan_in_a_Cage 5y ago
I'm a Buddhist man gtfo.
Renunciation is mainly as fuck and has nothing to do with feminism.
ItsFatAlpha 5y ago
I'm a fat guy who has not gotten laid in many years. I also was formally very anti masterbation. I can agree that it is very healthy up to a point.
There comes a point, maybe in six months, maybe in two years, where everything with two legs becomes a potential for release which needs to be consciously evaluated as a real opportunity.
It can take a major toll. It can exhaust you, it can make you think you're a monster, it can spiral you into a suicidal depression.
But, now that I am labeled an incel, I my opinion has no value.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Xexitar 5y ago
Eat less. Lift more. Educate yourself. Work hard.
The best posts on this subreddit focus on improving every aspect of yourself. The ones that focus on how to fuck women are usually bitter men still stuck in the anger phase and only really care about abusing TRP to hurt women for past slights. Focus on bettering yourself and less on how to satisfy your dick and you'll realise the two go hand in hand (no pun intended).
Swan_in_a_Cage 5y ago
Semen retention is actually good for both the body and mind.
If you have "too much" you will just have a wet dream.
No need to masturbate, it's just a myth to make men more docile. Ever seen a castrated bull vs regular bull? Oh man.
CAPIreland 5y ago
As silly as some might think this sounds, I kinda have to agree. I felt lesser when I hit it every day rather than once a week or not at all.
Koryphae_ 5y ago
Yeah it's nasty though. I get these when I haven't released for two weeks.
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Swan_in_a_Cage 5y ago
What? That's a terrible example.
You are basically saying celibacy is akin to drinking poison.
I think you need to choose a better metaphor.
oneorigin 5y ago
Ever heard that men need to ejaculate 20+ days a month for health reasons? Medics tell this to men 40+ (alternative is a prostate massage), because younger men don't need such advice, they come frequent enough.
With a normal testosterone level you would go nuts from such no fapping.
AssumeFormlessness 5y ago
Medics also thinks it's good when you're being a good little beta boy
CAPIreland 5y ago
Well, this is one of the reasons I wanted to check this whole debacle out. It's an interesting duality between what the red pill says and what medical professionals say. Personally, I find cumming from sex to be more than enough for me to function well.
SJWOPFOR 5y ago
20 times a month good grief man, give it one week off and I promise you will see results.
oneorigin 5y ago
I'm 39 and I know perfectly well that after a week I'll feel really bad, and won't be able to think about anything other than sex. Good for me - no need for prostate massage to stay healthy and alive.
Men with low testosterone may sublimate sexual energy, but before giving such advice, better to come up with a plan to keep prostate in a good shape.
Prostatitis may hit at any age, and antibiotics are unlikely to work without at least indirect (sex/masturbation) prostate stimulation, as there will be low blood flow. Then prostate cancer may knock at the door. Not fun at all.
SJWOPFOR 5y ago
I week off man, stop justifying fingering your asshole and just let it be, I promise it will not kill you
oneorigin 5y ago
Your ass. Mine doesn't need it, as I don't abstain.