A year or two back I made a post about how I was spoon-feeding redpill concepts to my dad in the midst of what looked like another inevitable divorce for him. I had recently dumped an ex for catching her texting other dudes and was soaking in the material and getting laid during this time- against everything I was raised to believe I needed to treat a woman to get love and sex.
While I've gone on to improve and have a wild year in 2017 I still have a lot to learn. In fact my father has shown me that all this game and effort matters next to nothing when you're older.
He's still not really changed except it's funny that he started acting like a teenager in many ways. His ego was getting bigger and he started acting like he was the shit; irresponsible and making very selfish decisions even when he wasn't in a good spot to do so. Even crossing me sometimes which never went over well for him. I've never seen this side of the man. Witnessing what I thought were my family's saintly altruistic tendencies being squashed under simple power-dynamic concepts and mission for strange. Like giving a toddler a sip of alcohol and watching them stumble around as if they had a whole glass.
Besides these things his overall understanding of 'game' never improved unfortunately. He will complain to me about a girl and I'll give advice only to be met by an emotional self-defense barrage of excuses and gets mad at me. To which I stopped letting him complain to me about it. Sounds like every post on asktrp. But here's where all of this throws me off entirely. Although he is still hardcore BP and his whole game is cringe at best but he has gotten laid by new women almost every 2 weeks. Young ones too.
Women literally message him first. Women 50% of the time make it sexual first. Young 21 year olds have asked to meet him- fly out and meet him just for a night on the prancing pony. His whole game is just having long and drawn out conversation, meeting them for drinks or a show, and then they go back to one of their apartments. He shares wayyy too much. He often shares his personal problems too quickly. While he loses some he has other young women orbiting him like he can do no wrong. He has girls who he goes out with every week sometimes twice a week with different women.
Now while he has really drop the ball (and it seems sometimes he's TRYING to sabotage himself but this is just the BP), gotten stood up, left on read, none of this changes the fact that, compared to me a mid-20s man, he's on easy street. He has quantity and quality. My hunch it's exactly what we read about on here: after 30 game flips on its head for a man. These women see him as older and by proxy a wiser more high SMV man.
So while you're practicing game, lifting, and exhausting your efforts to get some dumb young girl's clam for one night, there's goofy older guys out there with with zero sexy traits that she's talking to; and she's setting up a night with them all like she's running a charity. I felt inclined to share these things partly because it is fascinating to see how your own kin responds to the redpill and second it's unreal how something as simple as age for men puts game on easy mode.
I'm about to go to the gym and train but if I could, I'd make a toast. Here's to you, 30-year old me you lucky dog.
JawounGeorge 6y ago
Because he’s established in life. I might be wrong but young chicks love that shit. Especially if he has money. Pussy will fall into lap if he has money .
awalt_cupcake 6y ago
that's the thing he's in a pretty fucked spot! Lost his job recently. Anxious as hell. I have more in the account than he does. I felt like I created a monster by giving him TRP concepts over the last several years because it seems like that's ALL he focuses on these days. He'll spend all day getting ready to go out to see some dumb girl over sending out his resumes to new jobs. It's like he became the irresponsible teenager and I'm over here the wiser more rational "father" figure these days.
JawounGeorge 6y ago
Haha the tables have turned! Good luck man! Keep us updated too. I read your other post and it was pretty good!
Rollo_Mayhem3 6y ago
This speaks to a lot. I find that people who get mad when you try to help them or lay it on the line, have deeper emotional problems and insecurities. Sounds like rather than deal with them himself, he brings that into the mix with the girls. The defense is also related to NOT being able to fix or understand those things you are telling him to do. Sounds like, if you really want to help him, you have to circle back to the basics, maybe you has a different perspective fundamentally about women and life. Sounds like maybe he sees some tactics that have helped but he still deep in ocean blue
EDIT: he wants to maintain the image that he "has it all under control.." all the while it is obvious he does not. Although he is still getting 20yo pussy...so he has potential. If you are 30, fucking go out with him...
Herdsengineers 6y ago
As a 40+ man, divorced, with a 13 year old son - I can confirm that it does indeed get much easier as you get older. If you lift and take care of yourself, and take care of business at work for any level of decent success, women are abundant. It's just my tastes, but when I divorced at 32, since then, I've not really focused on the young girls. They might be super cute, but when they start talking I usually lose all interest. They are just so fucking stupid.
So I've played in the section of the pool where the women my own age hang out. The older ones are more secure and have been less reserved in bed - sex was just better with them.
I've posted before, I remarried recently, she's 11 months younger than me. Still gorgeous, and a real firecracker in bed (which has only escalated since we married, wedding cake seems to have ignited her kinky button more strongly).
The big thing, as you get older, focus on building your life and your mission. No woman wants to be a man's mission. She wants to join a man and help him serve a mission that isn't her. If you're single, and have your shit together, the women will flock to you hoping to be the one you eventually pick as your permanent sidekick.
bsutansalt 6y ago
Where?
The problem I've been finding this past year is that while women may be abundant, quality women are not. It doesn't help that I've become much more selective in who I'll date or even hook up with over the last couple years.
I'm in a major metropolitan area and there just aren't women out and about in the evenings anymore who aren't bar sluts. The cultured and reserved/conservative women all seem to be locked down/married young these days.
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Herdsengineers 6y ago
I've thought about a post on it. I know most here wouldn't receive it well. That's okay, I don't live for TRP's approval of my choices if you know what I mean.
The TL;DR version is men aren't built to be alone in life. We just aren't built for it. With so many women being insufferable bitches that have nothing to offer except temporary permission to use a wet hole between their legs (and guy's I'm telling you, that particular asset of theirs is pretty worthless all on it's own), if you find one that truely rejects her own BP, feminist conditioning, a woman that knows better and chooses better than that shit because she knows she's better off for it, and if the physical chemistry is there, you've got yourself wife material.
j_arbuckle2012 6y ago
The RooshV forums are thataway ----->
MusicSports 6y ago
How long did you plate her before entering a LTR and how long did you LTR before marriage?
SendThotsAndPrayers 6y ago
Younger women>Older women I don't care who you are or what you do.
Not all older women are out there enjoying cougar life. In fact, It's more or less a myth. Yea it's possible to meet a milf/cougar that is after a fun, quick and sexual relationship with no strings attached, but rarely - they are a minority.
So who's in the majority then? Single moms, women with daddy issues, entitled overgrown children, uggos, "What are we?" chicks who look for beta providers etc. And yea, it's easier to lay them due to their desperation, but it's not really quality sex, because they fear to show that nature in fear of being viewed as a slut etc.
It takes a special kind of guy to consistently slay younger chicks, and I'm sorry to tell you this, but from what I've read so far, you don't have it in you. Don't fucking go around saying Older>Younger. Just because it's easier to bed desperate broken goods, doesn't mean that they are better than younger adventurous sluts who still have bodies older chicks can only dream about.
The only thing on point in your post was focus on building life and mission.
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Pynewacket 6y ago
Careful there, your comment sounds suspiciously like moralizing.
Dystaxia 6y ago
I think you get diminishing returns on the younger is better. Depends if you just want a fuck or company but 19 year olds have relatively little life experience and are far less relatable.
I believe older women are polarized in terms of character. You'll have the ones that never had anything but good youthful looks and when that fades are hollow because they used their appeal as a crutch through life but then others that have developed personalities that only the experiences of life can hone. Depends where on the spectrum you want to aim for.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Who cares? You aren't fucking her life experience you are fucking HER. You aren't looking for a waifu either but just to bang
SendThotsAndPrayers 6y ago
If you're looking for character, get male friends. A woman will never substitute - no matter her character, the relationship a bromance can bring. Men's solidarity is a very underrated factor.
btrpb 6y ago
A good plate is someone you can have a good fucking chat to, take away for the odd weekend, do cool, interesting shit with. Women with character and life experience are pretty good at this.
sef239 6y ago
ehhh I've met plenty of women who I became friends with because of how cool they are/were as into the same things I'm into. There was no sexual motivation involved, I genuinely found them fun to be around. And i've met plenty of guys with no character. So saying that women can never substitute as friends for men, that just isn't true in my experience.
However, as far as the original point, that older women are better than younger women, yea that's also just not true. Younger women are more attractive in general, that's just a fact.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
You sound like youre full of soy.
If the guys you meet have "no character" that speaks volumes about you, because a powerful guy, with character will draw other dudes similar to him and will scare off the ones without a character.
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iknowthewhey 6y ago
This has to be the easiest way to dry up a girl. Never share personal problems with any woman under any condition. I don't even complain to my own mother about personal problems. If she asks how things are going then I tell her great. Women aren't equipped to deal with men's problems so never bring them up.
awalt_cupcake 6y ago
that's the point of that snippet- regardless he shares too much he's still bangs most of them. Something I could never get away with at my age.
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Yep. You talking about a personal problem with a girl, is like a a girl gaining 50 lbs instantly before your eyes - it's repulsive.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Then why is the older man from OP getting laid like a motherfucker doing this? Maybe its a new form of vulnerability game?
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bluemoviebaz 6y ago
This! I used to go to my mum for advice. And it was always wrong she obviously had my best interests at heart but this is the problem especially as women are to emotional. My Dad on the other hand if I ask and I say “if I ask” as he won’t say anything otherwise, tells it like it is whether I want to hear it or not.
htbf 6y ago
It works on dysfuntional girls who need to feel like they can nurture you back to health. It also works on "normal" girls who don't have enough experience to raise their defences and protect themselves against sons of bitches.
Of course, the way you share it has to be charming. You have to share them with a smile and "this will pass" attitude, and show reluctance at opening up to her so that she feels like she is rewarded and spcial when you finally do.
I'm kind of a pscyhopath, and using honesty as a weapon to draw people closer is one of the main tools of psychos.
Entropy-7 6y ago
You can't do this in the "boo hoo" fashion but asking her advice (even if you don't follow it) makes her feel higher status.
Why? Opinions vary but what I see is that men share problems that they want solved while women share problems they simply want to bitch about.
Tell a guy your problem and he will give you five possible fixes that - may not work but - are appreciated.
If a girl tells you her problems and give her fixes she will be totally pissed at you because you did not first validate her feelings of . . .whatever.
Under these circumstances, a Stoic frame is necessary because "whiney bitch" = "pussy desiccant"
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I'm 41, workout and look great. I only date HB7 and up. I dated 5 different girls this month. I separated from my wife 4 months ago and this is my first month out of monk mode so still calibrating but... Holy shit. I used to struggle so much for pussy. This is completely retarded. I'm working on closing - I suck at it but am improving. Seeing a new girl Sunday, another next week if I play my cards right. And I am changing city soon - going to a much bigger one. Next ten years will be a lot of fun.
bsutansalt 6y ago
Where you initially meeting these women?
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I have Tinder, Bumble and OKCupid. Tinder is proving to be a waste of time and money. I paid for a full year and have gotten zero date with it. With Bumble I got 3 dates and on OkCupid got three dates as well, in 6 weeks. Also in clubs. Apparently I still dance pretty good and get approached like I have a chick magnet on me. As an aside, I find it challenging to find 30yrs+ dance clubs that are not super corny. I want to try uncle Vasya's guide to dating younger women - my next experiment will be to try his guide.
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My friend is 37 and a club promoter, ripped black man, he has a LTR but he bones 18-25 year olds on the side. Shit's possible if you do the time (Lift, game etc)
Fedor_Gavnyukov 6y ago
club promoters always get laid. no matter whether they're jacked or not
TopNotch_Fuckery 6y ago
Here's a little food for thought for all of you- doesn't matter how old you are. Even with scarily well-broadcasted emotional baggage, atrocious game, and seemingly a fairly low SMV, a handful of RP principles--DGAF attitude, confidence, and putting yourself first--goes a damn long way. Now just think how much more OP's dad, or anyone else reading this post, could 'slay the game' by getting in shape, learning game, and certainly not dumping your emotions on women you're trying to fuck (Stoicism, anyone?). The age part of this, while it's relevant, shouldn't discourage anyone. Younger than 30? Don't fret- things only get better from here. Older? Get in shape, get your frame going, and start approaching, and you'll be on "Easy Street" like OP's dad.
Ridicatlthrowaway 6y ago
Have you considered your dad is paying for pussy?
awalt_cupcake 6y ago
He's not. He's too hardcore BP. Second, he's got pics and snapchat going out with them to his favorite bars. For the women in their 30's or late 20's his friend's know them (most of them) on a personal basis too. The super young ones to "fly in" they're just dumb girls on dating apps. he's showed me the chats.
htbf 6y ago
I don't buy it. There must be more at plat than merely age for him to have young girls orbiting him. I know a shitload of 40+ dudes (they work at the plant downstairs) and they are desparate and lonely. They are invisible to young girls.
Andgelyo 6y ago
Sorta agree with you. Unless OPs Dad has god tier genetics (not balding, nor fat ) I see this as a bit far fetched. I’m a very red pill man, but 40s hooking up with 20s to me is rare. At most they probably want his income to be a beta bucks. Men and women are not that different from each other. Prime healthy young women want prime healthy young men.
awalt_cupcake 6y ago
My father is broke and in a bad spot in life. He's been shaving his head bald for years and he is thin and casual to the gym. He's far from toned and he is active. These girls probably think he has money because he does dress good and he's older.
I get why there's so much doubt about this. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it myself.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
How many of them have a RP mindset? How many of them have made themselves exceptional in one or more ways? How many of them are NOT fat fucks? How many of them Day Game like it’s their job? How many of them prequalify young women to select for those who prefer older men? This shit does not just magically happen. You have to MAKE it happen.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
How would an older man pre-qualify younger women? Also, how do you daygame younger women without her thinking "old creep"?
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Flirt with them, see how they respond. Some will be taken aback, some will send you "buy" signals.
^ This is shaming language used by bluepills, bitter betas and cat colonists to try to prevent you from following the masculine imperative of bedding young, attractive women.
If you are afraid of what people who hate you think, or you are afraid to live your life on your own terms, then by all means give up and marry a post-Wall^SPLAT! obese single mom.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
I do not fear what other people will think, I only consider this because women are judgemental and if they think this way it will ruin your chances with some of them? No?
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Ruin your chances with which ones? The ones who weren't going to fuck you anyway because you're outside of their age parameters? Girls who like older men are not going to be creeped out by you because of your (relative) age.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
That is true. I hadn't considered that perspective. Thanks Uncle Vasya!
htbf 6y ago
None of them.
None of them.
Maybe 2 ?
Haha, what's day game ?
I think you just lost everyone, the top floor too.
Which is basically NOT what OP is saying. He's saying that his father has no game, refuses to learn anything about it and ignores all his counsel but gets laid easily though his age alone :
This is blatantly false. OP is most certainly not wise enough to see what his father is doing right of if the girls he's hooking up with are low quality whores. My father fits the description too but his girls were gold digging whores. They wanted a provider. My father would NEVER be able to pull the types of girls I'm pulling but he can still get laid very easily.
awalt_cupcake 6y ago
never said he had no game. I said his game really "hasn't improved" from the concepts I've shared. Like I've given him a script and he's just repeating lines instead of building upon the logic presented in the sidebar. You seem incredibly argumentative for arguments sake.
htbf 6y ago
I just disagree with the fact that age puts game in easy mode.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Guys interested in this topic will find the below instructive:
Older Men, Younger Women: How & When It Can Work
-For Older Men who prefer Younger Women, and vice versa.
sadomasochrist 6y ago
By now this should really be sidebar material. It's such a good one.
module_process 6y ago
The old saying...men age like wine, women age like milk definitely rings true. I just turned 40...and the problem for me isn't getting women, it's getting women I want to be with.
I'm the only one standing in my way because I'm still fat. The men in the top 20 %...even maybe 30 after age 40 are prime real estate.
Light_of_Lucifer 6y ago
You can change that within a year easily. Good luck
help757575 6y ago
The sad thing is in my opinion the general population of men the top 20% isn't that hard to get to with a fair amount of work. It feels like the "average" 40 year old man is obese, not overweight, but obese.
RedDespair 6y ago
I am closing in my forties and ripped as fuck. Last night I saw approach anxiety from a girl being pushed by her friend to come and talk to me. This was the 2nd one in 30 min and I didn’t talk to her because she looked old. Like she is in her 30s. Ewww
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I'm in my fifties and starting to get closer to my goal of 12% body fat, but nowhere even close to being ripped. Yes, they are starting to even aggressively flirt now. It's hard to even explain it to younger men because it's so hard for them to believe. Someone recently on here said something about it, the idea that older men who look good and are successful are proven good genetics while younger men who are, are just potentially good genetics. Could be something to that.
No matter what the reason, there must be some serious amounts of women with daddy issues out there. I remember my first trainer telling me, and he was an old man "when I'm done with you you'll be beating women off of you with a stick". It's getting close to that now.
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[deleted] 6y ago
I dunno man, you seem to be rocking it.....don't plenty of them not have daddy issues?
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Yes. There are plenty who are post wall, i.e. mid thirties to my age who don't have daddy issues and seem fairly clued in to what's going on. These often give me a sad, longing stare with the "save me" eyes. Sad because they know what's up. It's fairly obvious as they often see their younger competition getting all giggly and flirty. Not my problem!
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To press the point, plenty of pre wall cuties don't have daddy issues... not that you're wrong at all.
Westernhagen 6y ago
Who cares? So what if they do? What does that even mean, and how does it affect her relationship with you?
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It's just a tired old trope, is my point. It's shaming language, presenting men who like younger women as predators and the younger women as broken. It pisses me off. It's either that or they are gold diggers and we're fools with wallets. The reality is utterly different.
steppenwolfofwallst 6y ago
I agree.
This is an interesting study that basically showed women in relationships with older men didn't have "daddy issues": http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-55834-001 .
I'm nearly 40 and the ones I date in their early 20s have no more of fewer issues with their dads then the women I've dated closer to my age. In fact the two most obsessed with me have dads in their lives who are still married to their moms.
Westernhagen 6y ago
Yeah, I really like that one. It is age 30 - 50 women who are after your wallet in order to fund their already existing or desired future children. Women in their 20s just want to be entertained. It costs no more to do that when you're 55 than it did when you were 25.
Reliiq 6y ago
No wonder Rollo mentioned 36 as male peak.
atticusfinch1973 6y ago
If you're 40 plus and even moderately successful the world sexually is your oyster. You can attract younger women if you have decent game and seek out the right ones like Uncle Vas, or if you want to just get easy sex then women in their late 30's and early 40's who are post wall crave any attention at all and take zero effort and can be plated easily.
The guys who are lonely and whine about not getting laid are always the ones who have zero career and social skills and are overweight with brutal dad bods and zero style. Change all these things first if you're in our age range and suddenly you'll find that things get super easy in all avenues.
Trooper_1868 6y ago
Its crazy tho, if you're in shape you could have the worst style in the world, and it would work out somewhat ok
imurhckleberry 6y ago
He's slaying because of abundance mentality, and because yes it has been my experience that if you are in reasonably good shape at 40 it IS easier. I cannot imagine what life would be like if I had known the things I know now in my 20's. Don't take the knowledge you have at a young age for granted, never stop lifting, never stop improving & if you have sons- buy a hard copy of Rollo's 3rd book and put it on the book shelf to ensure the knowledge passes on.
Entropy-7 6y ago
Weird statistic: divorced men are the most likely to be incel (no sex in the last 12 months) and the most likely to be highly promiscuous (4+ partners in the last 12 months - they even beat out college kids).
Dare I say, if you are recently divorced what path you should choose. And "friends don't let divorced friends be incels".
TRP is a niche but some guys, many guys, many divorced guys "get it" without reading the sidebar because they have been though hell and back.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
So what about purposely getting married and divorcing to improve ones game? I might actually consider this.
awalt_cupcake 6y ago
no this is so stupid. people who got married because they wanted to and they have this longing desire to have a best friend female. Guys who go through divorce have their heart ripped out and their brain shit on. It's a special kind of hell that forges the mentality to go successfully bone anything that moves after that.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Spunds like some whiteknight, cucked shit....
Because they care too much about some hoe.
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FuckboyAWALT 6y ago
This post will form many young men into lazy bitches. JK thanks for the insight.
awalt_cupcake 6y ago
lol. if that's their take-away they deserve a shit future.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Preferably give a bit of outcome independence.