The weekend of the 2018 Women’s March seemed as appropriate a time as any to address the contemporary victimhood culture of the West. Keep in mind that I’m writing this from the U.S., and much of this is a result of some festered ideology being released en masse by the election of President Trump. This may apply to those in the U.K. or elsewhere in the West as well, though I’m really not familiar with the cultural climate outside of my own. Strap in, this is a long one.
Let’s begin with a loose definition of a victim, so we’re all on the same page. A victim is anyone who can, and chooses to, make the claim that they don’t have what they want as a result of a discriminatory society. This is mostly a conception of the left. But more importantly, victimhood is a mindset adopted by those with qualifying characteristics (which I’ll get to momentarily) who, rather than work hard, consider all facts, or accept responsibility for their current situation, make noise and cause a fuss to get what they want.
There are 3 main classes of victim
In order of highest to lowest status, they are:
• Gender, Race, and Sexual Orientation
And within each class, there exists a hierarchy.
Gender
- Gender fluid/Trans
- Female
- Male
Race
- Black
- Anyone from a “shithole” country (if you’re unfamiliar with this, get out from the rock under which you’re living and google “Trump shithole”)
- Mexican (if you’re a member of the left)
- Middle Eastern (another recent group, mostly after the travel ban was enacted)
Sexual Orientation
- Trans (which is neither gay nor straight in my opinion)
- Gay
- Straight
As long as you are not a straight white man you have at least one victim token you can collect. However, members of low victim-status groups can put each other down by virtue of virtue signaling, empathizing with high victim-status groups. This is where you see members of the left calling members of the right racist, or white female god awful blog writers call men transphobic for not dating someone else with a penis.
Now we move onto an important question... What is it that victims want? Do they want to be heard? We can hear you. Do they want equal rights? Please, I would actually like to know, what rights don’t you have that I, a straight white man, do?
So what really is the problem here? The problem is that victims are never satisfied. They make noise to get what they want, and then what they want isn’t enough, so they make more noise. What’s that? You’d like an example? I thought you’d never ask.
Trans persons thought everything would be ok if only people would refer to them by the correct pronouns. That’s what’s going to make all of this ok, they said. Nope. Now, you have to prove their womanhood by associating with them sexually. “I’m a woman, come and get it boys.” Feminists were causing a big ol’ fuss when we elected a “misogynist” president, instead of their empowered empress. Misogynist president voted into office by a racist, misogynist people, they said. “Uh oh, a year later and my status as a victim is dropping. Quick, I’d better submit my #metoo to raise my victimhood status again!” (side note: I’m very much for the movement of sexual harassment and abuse being taken seriously. However, we all know this isn’t how the #metoo movement works.) In many cases, victims don’t even know what they want. Bonus link to further illustrate my point.
At this point you’re probably saying to yourself wow, TheProphet speaks TheTruth^tm (or you’re thinking wow, what an insensitive asshole. You’re welcome to your opinion.). Well Mr. Has-All-The-Answers, what is it that victims really want? They want validation through attention, largely sourced through the media. They want success handed to them, and then they want people to recognize the hardships through which they had to go to attain that success. They want people to recognize the hours and hours of sign-making and voice-raising that went into convincing society that they deserve equaler rights than everyone else.
Enough of that stupid bullshit. History’s real “victims” (who are not victims at all, as victimhood is self-ascribed) would be absolutely disgusted at the way today’s victims are behaving. Demanding unrealistic, and in some cases unfair, treatment through shouting matches and bullying. MLK Jr., Susan B. Anthony and others didn’t achieve the goals of their groups through ANTIFA-esque violence, or jeopardizing public safety in the styles of BLM. The above had it far rougher than you, and they didn’t claim victimhood. Neither should you, Eric-turned-Ashley, just because your own short-sightedness prevented you from thinking all the way through such a major decision.
Don’t worry, I’m wrapping up now. But I’d like to make obvious what I’m hoping you’ll take away from this. If all you do is yell to get what you want, you’ll never be satisfied. You’ll just want more and more, and yell louder and louder, and eventually, people are going to get tired of your shit (and you’re going to become even more of a fucking brat in the process). Continuous yelling to get what you want is only going to bring about diminishing returns. However, working to get what you want will make your success that much sweeter. It will develop in you the tools to bring about increasing returns of success.
And you’ll end up with a much more professional look, as you’ll have never jumped on the blue-hair bandwagon.
Alpha_Jedi 6y ago
Spot on post. I wrote about this topic over a year ago and the trends continue: https://alphajedi.com/2016/07/12/entitiled-victimhood/
TheNextMilo 6y ago
Just don’t care what they say. Here’s a good quote from a well known Alpha.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=slYjAKzWcWQ
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Being female trumps all that TBF. The only thing that may contest that position is being Muslim. Cause let's be real, Everyone is scared they are gonna get blown up. They know Muslims do not fuck around and will kill you if you piss them off. That's real power.
But anyway, I mostly agree. I just wanted to point out that you can be a Black gender fluid trans and a woman will still rape the ever living fuck out of you legally and socially if she wanted.
TheProphetPhysiquiel 6y ago
Haha I would have to agree
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TheProphetPhysiquiel 6y ago
Actually it's quite the opposite, in the real world this is the shit that everyone cares about. This is what's shaping public policy.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Sorry to break it to you guys, if you are a guy who likes 'trans-woman' you're gay because they still have a dick.
ozenmacher 6y ago
tl;dr version:
Own your own life. Don't expect handouts from others; that brings zero satisfaction, contentment, or success. Don't fall into the frame of others, but instead let others follow you. How? By taking ownership of your own life, your own goals, and your own fuck-ups. Carpe diem bitches.
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MrJanglesLovesBooty1 6y ago
Problem is many people in America want Daddy government taking care of them. Economic/cultural Marxism is cancer.
saibot83 6y ago
It's a perfect instrument for creating chaos and disorder. This will not go away without violence down the line.
ozenmacher 6y ago
Yep, and that is THEIR (the cucked, manginas, the white knights) problem. The same rules apply, regardless if we live in the feminized west where big daddy government is there to coddle the "downtrodden". If anything, the downfall of men in our society gives every other non blue-pilled man even more opportunity to flourish. Be the best man you can be regardless. The 48 Laws and basic evolutionary biology are always applicable.
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It's not THEIR problem. It's OUR problem. Because there is thing called the government. And that government uses force to get its way. And right now it wants to force us to associate with people we would rather not not associate with, to discriminate against us in their favor, and to transfer resources from us to them.
BurnoutRS 6y ago
But wouldnt things be perfect if we all got a universal income and didnt have to think or do anything but live and collect the check at the end of every week? And we'd have no hardships help us appreciate the good times. Everyone would be free to make art and music completely devoid of the societal impetus that drives so many of the great works we all enjoy.
Wouldnt life be so great if we entirely removed each and every reason that a person had left for living?
A simpler way to put it "how much more fun is it to run through a GTA game without cheats the first time than it is to negate the challenge entirely and just give yourself a rocket launcher?"
Troll_Name 6y ago
Rule #1 of redpill club is do not talk about the folks who suffer endlessly because their lives are the opposite of redpill club. Or at least, try to limit it to 10 minutes a day because we've all heard the stories.
Ch1pp 6y ago
I'd agree in part but the US seems to favour the free market too much, often to the disadvantage of environmental or economic factors. The problem we have in the UK is that people on benefits (like some I work with) stand to lose a lot of money if they get a pay increase or work full time as the government retracts all benefits for earners over a certain amount per month. This actively discourages work and, as you say, is cancerous to the economy.
reddoveroll 6y ago
I don't think US markets are as free as we would like to think, new comers/small players pharma, cosmetic, food industries can less likely to survive in the big player fury.
(Company that my friend works for tried to release a very low cost blood sugar meter, got sacked by lawsuit, said the method used in not up-to standard or something like that)
reddoveroll 6y ago
Side discussion. How is this marxism? Isn't marxism fight against large corperates?
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reddoveroll 6y ago
Thanks for the insights on Cultural Marxism. It's seems it the same way in every country, except maybe China. I think this is a norm now. Are there any theories/case studies against it?
Also, I would like to disagree on Economic Marxism as a failure because it just a theory that predicted crisis in capitalism and it's future with no structure. (if)Cuba faile it's because of bad economic policies.
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reddoveroll 6y ago
All things that make no sense would usually collapse after a peak because of many factors like lack of a coherent objectives among members. Let's see what happens.
EDIT: (Some thoughts about how post modernism came about: https://youtu.be/jcTUihJS3KI?t=5m10s)
NineInchNut 6y ago
Just like Trump took charge of his life starting out w/$200,000,000 patrimony. You are such a victim too like Trump.
hotTool 6y ago
what are you even beginning to bicker about here
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Good post, but I'd take issue with one part.
I wish this is all they wanted. They don't want "validation." They want to use the power of the government to force private individuals to associate with them, to discriminate in their favor, and to transfer resources from other parts of society to them. It's not just some trifling matter. That's why these people must be resisted at every point and in the clearest possible terms. They are the public enemy number one to Western Civilization, an existential threat no different than Nazis or Communists.
bitcoin1188 6y ago
Hit the nail on the head. They want to use the power of the government to force private individuals to associate with them. Blacks especially yearn with every inch of their body for white attention. This usually expresses itself in inferiority complex and often disdain and violence. Women also yearn to be a part of mens spaces. They hate that we know we could basically live in utopian societies without them. were it not for their child rearing capability we wouldnt need them. That may be a bit of a stretch and i personally dont mind the company of women but you get what i mean. So we have to turn on espn and see some poc woman talk to us about sports topics. This is included in your comment about transferring resources to them(jobs). Agree that we must fight tooth and nail and fucking not relinquish power or show weakness. It will only get worse. Be steadfast and brave
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grewapair 6y ago
It was funny watching a bunch of white women in the US, the most privileged group in the history of the universe, telling us about their "victim" status. How many 13 year old girls in sub sahara Africa would be willing to get a letter from "a man!" in exchange for a series of multimillion dollar contracts, and being a rich white woman in the US?
In any event, you'd fucking better vote or you'll find yourself as more of a slave than you already are.
Charmingaxelotl 6y ago
Just one issue with the hierarchy. I would think Muslims would be tippy top because they murder gay people and the left don’t seem to care.
TheProphetPhysiquiel 6y ago
The only reason muslim/other middle eastern groups aren't higher is because they don't elicit as much sympathy in the U.S., due to all of these terrorist attacks. It sounds bigoted but image holds a lot of weight over public opinion.
sigma272 6y ago
You forgot Jews at the top of the victim heirarchy. The people who ironically have vastly disproportionate control of media and finance. Really takes the noggin for a joggin
my_sfw_alias 6y ago
Jordan Peterson spoke about how he pulled the J card, and the response was that he is still a strait white male, and those holocost victim points are no longer redeemable for transfer. Given the history between muslim and jews, supporting one group automatically gives you a stance against the other, and makes for statements like Isrealis are Nazis.
killerheadcase 6y ago
It was never about equality...it’s always been about superiority.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
I always find it funny when people say "if you aren't a straight white male" news flash kiddo it's happening to any man that is straight no matter the race. We're all fucked in this the sooner people see this the sooner we tackle this together as "Men".
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Basically. I know white men are enemy number 1, but to act like black men or hispanic men have it easier is straight up horse shit.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
Oh I see what you mean now, but even still we've all got our asses on the line over this. That's why I'd rather see us come together no one saying we got to like each other, but just helping for the benefit of the group would go a long way.
SeemedGood 6y ago
There's also plenty of straight white male grasping at victim status. To wit:
The immigrants, import goods, etc. took my job away from me trope.
Nope. An increasingly efficient economy that is making its collective participants richer took the jobs away. Those losing them are losing because they chose to sit on their asses and collect union benefits instead of constantly improving their skillsets and climbing the ladder of job sophistication, innovating, or becoming an entrepreneur.
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In the short term future, we're becoming even more of a gigs/service based economy. In the medium term, there will be outright swaths of people replaced. Look at retail apocalypse for example.
I'm doubtful of most people's ability to play the cards in the upcoming economy poker game. Right now, the only real safety net at the low/mid end is a federal government job but that may not last. Or hustle your ass off and retire.
Troll_Name 6y ago
"Straight white male" - that's three variables. Three entire ways people are sorted into groups which are then pitted against each other.
The problem with world peace is that anyone in the world can veto peace.
SeemedGood 6y ago
Well sorting into groups is an efficient way of identifying and understanding different things and people, so we probably want to keep doing that.
The pitting of the different groups against each other is a tactic long used by holders of governing power to maintain their grasp of it and advance their agenda of increasing that power. Thus, those that uptake the pre-formulated and propagandized group based grievances against each other are allowing themselves to be foolishly distracted from the actual power grab and even to play into its hands.
Mckcon 6y ago
I do empathise with the working class in the UK though - I come from a working class town but managed to escape via university and getting a very well paid career in tech.
Just because I escaped, that doesn’t mean everyone else can - some people aren’t smart enough or lack the drive, we can’t expect everyone to be super ambitious. Yes, some people are in a shit siutuation because of their inaction but I don’t think we should shit on the 40 year old construction worker that lost his job to polish immigrants that live 8 people to one house and send most of their money home while while commiting benefit fraud.
It’s easy to say everyone should identify higher paying industries and retrain but it’s jist not practical for many people that are born and raised in ex-steel or ex-coal producing towns.
SeemedGood 6y ago
Why not? Are you suggesting that you are somehow inherently superior to anyone else?
I was born into an extremely poor family, both of my grandfathers were at the very bottom of the socioeconomic ladder in the US. Only the slaves of previous generations (many of whom were still alive during their youth) would have been worse off. So I speak from experience when I say that poverty, even poverty more destitute than anything recognizable in today's Western world, is not necessarily a negative.
Like all things poverty is neither inherently negative nor positive, but rather adopts the tone that we give it in our lives. It can either be the greatest excuse for inaction and failure, or the greatest motivator for hard work and achievement. Which it becomes is entirely up to the individuals finding themselves in that circumstance.
My grandparents, parents, siblings and and I chose to use it as a motivator - and it was a very strong one which propelled my family, my siblings' families, and some of our cousins' families into the upper echelons of the middle class and in some cases even to a modicum of wealth.
Some, of our uncles, aunts, and cousins, however, chose to use poverty as an excuse and rather than gather the requisite smarts, ambition, and work ethic to improve their lots, instead chose to externalize the source of their grievances and complain about how unfair their lots were. As a result of that choice, they have remained quite poor (though still FAR better off than our grandparents).
I am quite awestruck by the fact that in 2 generations portions of my family have been able to rise from the bottom 1% (or lower) of income earners in the US with zero wealth to the top .25% or thereabouts of income earners with a fairly comfortable life and a decent cushion, despite starting with no privilege and none of the so-called socioeconomic "advantages." Yet other portions of my family have only managed to improve their lots because of the overall economic efficiency gains made over those intervening generations and the acceptance of public assistance.
I am neither better than, nor more fundamentally capable than my poor relations. We share the same genetic material, the same family background and at the outset we shared the same fundamental opportunity sets, yet have experienced radically different outcomes for no other reason than the choices we have made.
I didn't shit on anyone, I just suggested that like everyone else he should eschew grabbing for victim status as an explanation (read excuse) for his grievances with a situation that is the result of his own choice-making.
nebder 6y ago
Replace polish with mexican for the american trope. Almost all the mexicans I’ve worked with in different manufacturing operations have all busted their ass and done shit jobs whites wouldn’t want. They’re taking jobs whites only wanted as a last resort.
They’re hungry. Low skilled whites aren’t.
I’m a white blue collar guy gone white collar. I’m down in the trenches. I see this shit every day.
Mckcon 6y ago
If the Mexicans are doing jobs that the yanks don’t wanna do then what’s the problem?
I’ve seen many poles do work that was traditionally done by the white working class who now find themselves priced out by people willing to accept minimum wage for skilled work because they have 8 people in one house, send most of the money home. Happens all the time.
I’ve always been pro immigration (got an Asian LTR) but I don’t have to face the daily reality of a pro-immigration government policy so it’s easy to be pro-something when you don’t have to live it - I might just be getting more conservative as I get older though.
nebder 6y ago
The same is said about and done by mexicans here. You can drive thru residential areas and find the mexican house because there’s 6-8 cars stacked in the driveway. Can you really fault these people for wanting a better life for themselves and making an effort to take care of their families? I do the same thing to take care of mine. It’s a human drive to provide for our loved ones.
I’m anti-muslim immigration. They don’t integrate into western society. Most other peoples integrate (even when segregated into something like Chinatown) into their host society.
My response is that people must adapt and overcome. The jobs that were a guarantee before are no longer a guarantee. You have the same thing happen in the us when a coal mine shuts down or a major manufacturer closes shop. The company town is decimated. It’s a horrifying experience for the people impacted. That is truly horrible for these people in the same way that a natural disaster is horrible. It’s out of your direct control, all you can do is pick up the pieces and make the best of this juncture in your life.
I’ve personally done all kinds of shit work in my life. It gave me the drive to never have to do that again. I have some empathy for the people that are getting out-competed, yet I don’t have a lot of respect for them. We live in a culture and society that is at the pinnacle of human abundance. It’s all there for the taking if you get off your ass.
iLLprincipLeS 6y ago
In the years after WW2, it became clear in the West that whatever ideas appealed to the masses would win out over ideas that required sacrifice of personal freedoms in order to have social order, as the Axis powers required of their citizens.
In order to win these conflicts both real and imagined, the West adopted its Leftward tilt from after WW1 and accelerated it. This culminated in the 1960s, after which point Western Civilization — already heavily damaged by the crass commercialism of the 1950s, the French Revolution and the individualistic fallout of The Renaissance™ — really fell apart. As such, we recognize now that we have been living under an undiagnosed regime which we might call neo-Communism.
Neo-Communism resembles the old form of Communism, but has two changes: first, it is decentralized, meaning that it is enforced by citizens to show loyalty, instead of by secret police; second, it is grafted onto capitalism, which enables it to avoid the crisis that did in Communism, namely the ability to have any kind of functional economy.
Its decentralized nature means that it works through incentives toward personal reward or social popularity, both of which require the person in question to affirm the ideological narrative in some way. The recent metoo frenzy of reporting of sexual assaults shows us this market for attention: anyone who can participate in the latest trends, affirming ideology, gets ahead.
In that provides a uniform series of incentives, such that members of all political parties behave roughly the same way, creating a “uniparty” of people who are working to affirm the narrative however they can while staying in the news as much as possible. Since ideology is what holds this society together, the media takes on far greater importance than in any other type of society.
Ideology thus provides both our motivation and a type of currency, in that those who wield ideology well will be rewarded in a society which is mobilized in the military style for perpetual war to enforce that belief system.
Neo-Communism specializes in making us appear “free” while finding ways to entrench us in the system. Simply surviving costs endless money, and jobs are the only way for most people to have that, making people dependent on their paychecks and in turn, on saying the “right” thing so that they do not get fired and end up in the poorhouse.
We can visualize Neo-Communism as a society centered around the idea of equality as enforced by a cultural revolution, as opposed to a political one, and having the following attributes:
Political Correctness. Thoughts are pre-emptively censored for fear of what the neighbors, friends and co-workers might think; this requires establishing an absolute good by setting up an absolute bad, for example, “Hitler was racist, therefore anti-racism is good, and anything against Neo-Communism is racist.”
Wealth Transfer. Neo-Communism synthesizes consumerism, which beat Communism in 1991, with the idea of the socialist-style welfare state, and so it specializes in creation of taxes to perpetually shift wealth from the top to the bottom. This also continually “primes the pump” by encouraging the least affluent to spend money that was given to them by government.
Trend Culture. Neo-Communism specializes in using mass culture as a weapon of cultural revolution, but it must keep its weapon from being turned against it, so it generates constant distractions in the form of trends, or whatever “everyone is talking about” this news cycle, month, year or decade. These overlap and keep people chasing low-carb foods, small urban living, climate-friendly pollution, low-fat foods, collaborative working or whatever other paradoxical but consequently appealing idea they can spin to you to keep your mind fascinated, dazed and misdirected.
Unofficial Nature. What has enabled Neo-Communism to survive for this long is that it is invisible because it consists of social incentives and fears; whatever is popular and trending will result in personal advancement for an individual in any field, and whatever touches the taboo line will destroy that same individual. As a result, you can declare yourself an anti-Communist and still be an agent of Neo-Communism.
Replacement Culture. Like the Cymothoa exigua parasite, which sneaks into a fish through the gills and then replaces its tongue, Neo-Communism uses its cultural revolution to re-define what is “good,” and in doing so, replaces both culture and religion. Soon even all art and media products revolve around the ideas of Neo-Communism.
The rise of Neo-Communism came from attempts by the need to reconcile their Socialist leanings with the horrors of Communism, causing them to embrace market-driven communism:
Since then, we have learned that to adopt egalitarian ideals at all leads to the creation of a crowd, or a herd of people dedicated to the type of behavior we see at carnivals, sporting events and Black Friday sales at Wal-mart. The problem is not Communism; it is egalitarianism.
Neo-Communism was created to conceal that learning. The ideal of the Neo-Communist is to befuddle the population with consumerism while simultaneously indoctrinating them in egalitarian ideological dogma. The thinking is that, like political correctness, this will reprogram them so fundamentally that it fundamentally over-rides “human nature” and makes a working form of socialism. The problem it faces is that human behavior is not so much “human nature” as it is a reflection of the mathematics of survival. People left unchecked will create a tragedy of the commons by which they exploit whatever they can; individualism is the rule of individuals except for the exceptional. It is why in nature, species tend to consume all resources and then die out. Nature imposes a test to see who can transcend raw individualism.
However, creating a perverse incentive by declaring reward-before-performance, or subsidy for simply being human and “equal” as egalitarian philosophies like classical liberalism and Communism demand, ensures that individualism will be rewarded. That in turn forces others to descend to that level, and herd behavior results, with the herd consuming everything it can and then running over cliffs like lemmings, which is how human societies throughout history have self-destructed.
As a result, Neo-Communism is failing just like Communism, democracy, and European Socialism are: it mutates people into selfish, morally nullified, anti-conscientious beings who are oblivious to everything around them because all of it is based on a lie. Democracy killed ancient Greece and Rome, and now it is killing the West because (apparently) people were so oblivious they were willing to try it again. Socialism, or “economic equality,” is a parallel to democracy, or “political equality,” and both lead to Communism and through it, Neo-Communism as the virus evolves.
If we look at the human condition, we see that in individuals, individualism — a denial of the reality of the inevitable consequences of our actions in preference for individual desires — causes lives to become self-destructive, and that in groups, individualism becomes herd behavior.
The herd ruins everything. Any time we have structure, purpose and principle, we succeed; when we descend into herd behavior, we fail.
APSTNDPhy 6y ago
Just start telling everyone you're Jewish. Dave Chappel mentions this in his netflix standup when he has a victim off with a Jewish guy who goes all the way back to Egypt.
bentob_trp 6y ago
What a fucking joke. Saying MLK was nonviolent is a straight up lie. The dude was literally a revolutionary socialist.
How about you stop trying to use trp as your own personal soapbox and eat a dick
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GodLikeVelociraptor 6y ago
MLK and Gandhi defined passive, non-violent resistance.
2comment 6y ago
Those type of resistances only work when opted as the preferred lesser of two evils by the existing leadership of those societies, because they can mitigate the outcome to a degree. The peaceful movements are usually accompanied by sibling violent movements for similiar goals, which makes the peaceful one actually viable. Otherwise it wouldn't work.
Anyway, history is filled with non-violent ACTIVE resistance (MLK and Gandhi didn't preach passivity here) and had a long tradition before those two, they didn't define it except in recent pop culture of the 1960s generation onward. Even the struggle before the American Revolution had many similiar tactics before it became about armed combat.
Trpogre 6y ago
Both defined themselves as victims
iLLprincipLeS 6y ago
You can't compare Gandhi with a terrorist thug like MLK
WotanAwakens 6y ago
"We're going to Washington to get our check"
ShotgunTRP 6y ago
Yawn. Windbag useless rant
Can we go back to mods post only
Heisenbread77 6y ago
Victimhood is a fetish in our society, a fetish for the miserable and the weak. I would never strive to be a victim of anything but these people are lining up and playing poker deciding who has a better victim hand.
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bookynerd 6y ago
This is bull shit i see and hear so many stright men playing the victim card eg , " the immigrants are taking our jobs"
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Its not about victimhood, its not about feminism. You are witnessing a 2nd resurgence in Communism in the United States, which has been percolating across college campuses for decades.
Don't blame women, blame a bunch of jewish intellecutals who wrote all sorts of bizarre social tomes like "Critical Theory" which became the darling of the 60's hippy set and now its all coming to a head.
ChampOfTheFuture 6y ago
You missed the single most important victim group, that created victimhood and reparations themselves. Anyway.
The problem of the sub lately is that any wanker with an internet connection became a social and cultural pundit enlightening us with their analysis. You're no different from obese feminists on Twitter who talk about changing the culture. You sound ridiculous.
Slim___ 6y ago
"You're no different from obese feminists on Twitter ..."
Best comment I've read in a while.
AmazingMalice 6y ago
Ha, gotta' appreciate some good ol' subtlety
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Literally this - that’s why I only check this place like once a week or something. A few posts are related to men improving themselves- the rest are a bunch of political shits looking for mob mentality to feel good about themselves.
Spibas 6y ago
Worst kind of men? Men looking for validation.
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read_if_gay_ 6y ago
I see it differently, I don't think you can boil this kind of post down to "a bunch of political shits looking for mob mentality to feel good about themselves". That is exactly what OP is arguing against. I think this sub needs this kind of post.
Firstly, yes, TRP is about sexual strategy first and foremost. But men who come here will often find out they've been told a total lie all their life; women are far from the Disney ideals society sells you. That is obvious to anyone who lurked here for a while, however what is not so obvious is that this lie, the blue pill, permeates much more than just women and relationships. The rabbit hole goes deep. Pretty much all of today's mainstream ideas are dogmatic poison. And if we're gonna call ourselves Red Pill, why should we only uncover a tiny subset of what constitutes the Blue Pill and then stop there? Furthermore, men who frequent this place have proven that they can see through society's bullshit in at least one domain, so our userbase is about as good as it gets if you want to redpill people on society and politics.
Secondly, I believe a man needs a mission that is larger than himself in order to be fulfilled. Pussy is utterly superficial and does not meet that criterium. Self improvement for self improvement's sake is basically masturbation and does not meet that criterium either. But changing society for the better does meet that criterium. How one would go about this/if it can even be done without our current society imploding on its own is debatable, but in any case I am convinced it is worth trying. However you obviously don't want to do it the Lefty way by running around wearing a literal vagina hat on a pointless demonstration that will not accomplish anything. For anyone interested, I recommend reading this. This is related to men improving themselves.
Finally, common advice here goes far beyond game/PUA stuff. The mantra is actually building yourself into someone women desire, this includes getting an education, getting ripped, attaining more and better friends, finding creative and/or productive hobbies etc etc. All of this is not directly relevant to getting women, yet has a massive impact on it. Seeing this, even if literally all you give a shit about is getting pussy I don't see why politics shouldn't concern you given that their relevance to your everyday life and indirect impact on the girls you're getting is not a bit smaller than that of all the items I just named.
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I 100% agree with your point. Especially the part where you say a man needs a mission larger than himself.
But IF men are truly working towards that then they dont need to write random posts on a subreddit. I love the posts on building power, improving SMV etc but I dont need a critique on the state of social affairs every third post. Suffice to say-if you've made it here then you already somewhat understand the state of affairs in intergender relationships. Congrats.....now move on and do something with your life that doesnt add more noise to the already crowded environment. Building yourself doesnt involve posting about every idea that you think is gold. Its about taking action in the real world.
I agree that it goes far beyond pickup and women & I never said thats all it ever was. But unless it came from an endorsed member or someone who can really prove their chops at journalism/essays -it's all just noise....
I hope you can see that perspective. Thanks for that article by the way-good read.
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TheProphetPhysiquiel 6y ago
I get what you're saying here, but the framework of this place is built around guys coming here and bettering themselves, and then they're able to give back to the community. Whether it's political, about building power, fitness etc., if guys who've come here and "made it" don't stick around and help the next influx of subscribers then this community loses it's value. It's all relevant. If you're one of the guys who's made it and you see something you disagree with, it becomes an intelligent discussion about intelligent, but differing, ideas. That's one of the best things about this sub.
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2comment 6y ago
Don't be a victim. Don't hold them up as anything but for detached pity. They aren't inherently saints, morally superior, or anything else, they're just too weak to defy circumstances.
Culture and Society was not built by victims nor was history ever written by them although the victor can certainly adopt them for their own agenda.
Extremely_Photogenic 6y ago
Life for these women is too good so they need to make problems. Women NEED something to bitch about and be upset about.
For any who haven't seen it I highly recommend you got watch the mouse utopia experiment on YouTube. It's the best explanation for this bullshit IMO.
cBIGONE 6y ago
This should be at the top. That fucking genetic NEED. It is in their dna
Hillarysdilddo_2016 6y ago
Late to the party but your victim stack is all fucked up. A mistake a straight white male would make. Check your privilege.
Illegal aliens are #1 in the victim hierarchy. They are especially victimized when they murder American citizens.
Also you need to realize the victim hierarchy is genderfluid and even the leftists will tweak the victim status to further their goals (use useful idiots).
Which brings the next point. If you weren't convinced that women as a whole (especially white women) aren't mindless tools just check out their signs. The "women's March" is just like the "march for climate". A bunch of leftist faggots marching for leftist victimhood but the topic is not what it is about. It's about consolidating power and using people.
Sh0stakovich 6y ago
Ah yes. The euphemism they use for this hierarchy is "intersectional feminism".
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Patzer1470 6y ago
Not to discount your post- which is detailed and generally accurate. But the reason people claim victimhood (which isn't to be conflated with them being actual "victims") is plainly political reality. It is a way to advance through society, and it's effect in advancement is twofold: (i) it automatically demotes the white straight male; and (ii) it elevates the "victim" based on his or her redeemable "victimhood points" (which, as you mention, is racial, gender, etc etc.)
My main point is simply that it is a power grab, and needs no explanation beyond that. White males let themselves be enervated of their power, and those who aren't generally as successful as white men took the vacant space, with no qualms or questions as to the morality of it.
TheProphetPhysiquiel 6y ago
I agree. Claiming victim status is an easy way to ensure that society values your input, even if you have no qualifications whatsoever.
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Yep it's a power grab. I think a lot of people on the right and in the center who hate this victim worshiping culture think that the people doing this are idiots, but they are not idiots at all. They are just responding to incentives. We already are actively discriminating against males, whites, and Asians in favor of women and minorities. Why would they stop? It is working.
RedPill_Swinger 6y ago
The victimhood hierarchy is a real thing. I once came across a WW2 study after which the authors had problems due to the Jewish community raising claims of racism and antisemitism. The reason? They dared say that 12 million Slavs were killed during WW2. Apparently it ain't fair to acknowledge a human life as a human life.
What victims truly want? They want privileges and they will fight one another after white straight men will abdicate. They. Just. Want. Power. And. Money.
JadedAyr 6y ago
I have no idea what point it is you think you’ve made here. Firstly, what do you mean by the assertion that the marginalised groups you mentioned should ‘work’ to get what they want? Work how? And how exactly do you suggest they effect change without raising awareness of what the issues are in the first place? And when did trans people as a whole ever say that as long as they were referred to using correct pronouns all of the issues would go away? These things are normally the result of gradual change, just like the American civil rights movement. I would have thought that was obvious even to someone like you.
MisterRoid 6y ago
You left out group #1 in the victimhood category. Being a part of this chosen group trumps the suffering any other group has endured.
Hugh_Munghous 6y ago
Read Nietzsche’s Genealogy of Morals. Victim morality (slave morality as he would call it) is a byproduct of Judeo-Christian culture but has been adopted by progressives who are now using it to great effect in the way that Christians/Jews used it against Roman patricians.
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xdppthrowaway9001x 6y ago
Ultimately this post is 70% whining and I think the sub is best when it's primarily focused on game.
First of all that's a strawman. One, because "ANTIFA" isn't an actual group, and two, because anti-fascists (of which there are many groups) aren't civil rights activists. They're anti-fascists. Like the United States Military. Sometimes the goals overlaps, because fascists happen to be against civil rights, but anti-fascists aren't going to come out over your routine workplace discrimination case. They come out when neo-nazis/white supremacists are in town.
Second, MLK is noted for saying "a riot is the language of the unheard". King and Susan B. Anthony would've be called "sjws" and "people on the victim hierarchy" by the reactionaries of today, if they were around.
GamesFictionFan 6y ago
Or ANTIFA will wreck a German town over the G20 summit, beat up police, wreck cars, wreck buildings and raid apple stores...for reasons.
CapsaicinKing 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
Define "actual group"
Solon64 6y ago
"A collective of individuals with defined goals and an organizational hierarchy.
ANTIFA is not a group, they are a vague ideology open to any individuals interpretation. They are "against fascism" but have no leadership to direct how that should be obtained, and no idea how to obtain it individually.
Mostly, it is composed of naieve idealists and the occasional thrill-seeker who just wants to burn something. A mob without even an end-goal, much like Occupy Wall Street.
xdppthrowaway9001x 6y ago
Did you read the article, or is your typical neo-reactionary not smart enough to read anymore?
"ANTIFA" is basically a buzzphrase used to collectively and broadly refer to various anti-fascist groups that have nothing to do with each other.
CapsaicinKing 6y ago
Lol, shut the fuck up cunt
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maplemaximus 6y ago
Given the time period MLK was in and what he faced, for the reactionaries of today to call him an SJW would be utterly retarded.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
Agreed that's the case he was making no idea why he got downvoted though.
WotanAwakens 6y ago
He's getting down voted for supporting people who violently assault anyone who is right wing and gathers in a public space under the guise of fighting "white supremacy". "White supremacists" are, of course, any white person who has a non left wing opinion.
xdppthrowaway9001x 6y ago
Says the guy with a blatantly openly racist post history.
It's almost like racist shitstains like you love to strawman your opposition and say things that aren't true, in order to push your agenda. Not going to happen.
Anti-fascists have nothing to do with normal conservatives or right-wingers or white people. That's all complete bullshit, plenty of anti-fascists are conservative white people. The only people anti-fascists target are fascists and white supremacists, and other extreme right shitstains like you which is exactly why you fear them and feel the need to spread your propaganda to discredit them.
You are a weak worm that thrives on spreading misinformation and living in the shadows. You melt away when someone actually tells the truth or shines a light on you to expose your nonsense.
tinydickbigballs 6y ago
While focusing on your topic of political and social victimhood, you are correct in saying it stems from the left. But victimhood is a personality trait that has been around much longer than what we think of as the "political left."
It stems more from low self esteem, low discipline, and low accountability. These are traits that many left voters innately have.
2comment 6y ago
For example, Christianity is inherently built up on victimhood, Jesus being the lamb of the world, biggest scapegoat ever and therefore most divine and noble. Jesus on the cross, victimhood is the central icon. You should listen to
Jesus(insert latest hero here) , because he died for your sins!Even in the rise of atheism in the west, the super-progressives still can't help themselves out of the box but instead mentally inherit tired old tropes and only just give them new trappings.
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Bitches just need a good spanking is all.
Throwawaysteve123456 6y ago
The victim culture is a good focus for conversation on here, but I don't like this article. There's way more than the three categories you described, you completely ignored the disability craze (e.g White males especially are desperate to get a diagnosis to join the victim crowd). This is why you get people on disability for shit like ADHD and mild anxiety. Instead, write about the sociological data coming out on the victim culture, and how it has been found to be the biggest predictor of being a failure (even more so than parental income and education, which has historically been the greatest predictor). Those 18 year old victims will for sure never be a functioning member of society; they've formed the identity of the victim, and actively seek more victimhood status points.
Talk about the victim olympics, and the cannabalizing of various victim groups on the far left trying to 'out victimize' each other. Eg BLM taking over the womens march, trans turning on women, etc.
Anyone ever notice that 95% of trans people are white men? I mean, this is the shit we should talk about.
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I have ADD and have had an impact because of it all my life. I have been successful in both the military and my current profession in med science. I am not a victim and frankly you grouping something legit like ADHD, which is real in my experience with leftwing sjws is not at all appropriate.
eccentricrealist 6y ago
Brazil and Thailand have pretty big trans scenes too
Ananonguy88 6y ago
The cultural revolution that happened at the end of last century still needs to target the hidden enemy, just like in any revolutionary order. Before it was feudal lords (French revolution), then bourgeoisie (Marxist revolution), the Jews (3rd Reich), finally fascists and capitalists (Soviet revolution) and so on. Every time they needed to point out "inner" enemy that has to be eliminated to achieve final state of happiness and harmony. It was also the group you would put the blame on for ideal system and it's new noble elite rulers still failing to fulfill the "ideal state project". Now it's a straight white privileged male that stands on the way to peace and happiness on earth promised by liberal world order. That way elites can keep frustrated gibmidats crowd in check pointing every time at this mythical "white male" as the public enemy. Does not matter that all these university elites and their Wall Street sponsors are white men themselves. That way they can avoid an open revolution against their order and "simulate" a pseudo-revolution against a vile white male living among the crowd. This basically results in low status white betas getting shit for white elite alpha men puling the strings. This time the kind of "Jacobinism" terror control took a very tame and symbolic form, but nothing guarantees that it can not escalate.
BurnoutRS 6y ago
Before anybody is allowed to sit, they should have to make a chair.
First of all it teaches you not to take things for granted by revealing the work and effort that go into the things we take for granted. Second, you learn to appreciate the value of your own hard work. If you make a shitty chair, you might as well have just stayed standing instead of wasting all that effort making a shitty chair. Make a good one and you'll sit comfortably and reflect on the effort it took. A sense of wholeness and fulfillment wells up in you for just a moment.
Too many men sit on chairs they think themselves entitled to, that were made by men, who, at one time or another, knew full well what it was like not to have a chair at all.
unhandled_exeception 6y ago
I don't agree with this post, there is a race that should be in the first place by far and they are all white, i don't wanna name it but I think it is pretty obvious to figure out which one i am talking about.
bitcoin1188 6y ago
Not white but we know who u talking about
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And it gives them "rewards".
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scaevola212 6y ago
Missing both East-asian and Indian in your "race" ranking, which would most likely be 5th and 6th respectively.
Chinese people only get victim points if referring to stuff from 50+ years ago (i.e. Chinese Exclusion Act) but the left generally avoids talking about them because they contradict all their regular talking points about "white supremacy" Filipino and other "dark skinned" Asians get some points but its never sustained or long term.
The only victim points Indians get is if they happen to be muslim (Aziz Ansari) or someone mistakes them for being muslim (convenience store owners being yelled at over 9/11)
BobbyPeru 6y ago
You tried to draw a comprehensive picture of what a victim is, but a more general definition would suit the topic much better.
Ironically, by trying to be comprehensive, you were extremely limited to only certain groups.
Sometimes less is more.
TheProphetPhysiquiel 6y ago
I gave a comprehensive view of what being a victim is about, and how the mentality takes form, but the whole idea behind this post is about the main, and loudest, victim groups of today. Talking about the victims in the middle east or victims from the 1900s doesn't do much good here.
Troll_Name 6y ago
When you make an alternative way to win, a sport suddenly turns into two sports. One where people are playing the old fashioned way, and one where everyone is pouring an athletic type of effort into backdooring their way to trophies.
That's the society we have today. Some people want to score high some people want the prize no matter their score.
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I surf Reddit on occasion for some lolz and a tickle of left-leaning news. And I have to be completely honest, I was about to lose it and punch a wall. And then I came across your post. Thank you so much for making my day and typing out what I want to shout at others people on the daily.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 6y ago
It's always funny how certain groups can be more succesful like asians or jews, but they are still considered more victimised than white people.
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This shit is not "incel territory." This isn't even extreme for TRP. This is actually pretty much the mainstream conservative opinion now I would say.
TheProphetPhysiquiel 6y ago
I'm well aware that gender identity and orientation are different things, but due to my personal opinion on what it means to be either a man or a woman, being trans complicates whether one is simply gay or straight.
I've got plenty of empathy for people that are struggling, no matter the cause. I have no empathy for people who are struggling with issues they themselves created, and then blame others for them.
I celebrate myself enough, no need for anyone else to do it (though that doesn't stop them).
Ah, here come the "real man" shaming tactics. Astounding.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 6y ago
Bye.
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WotanAwakens 6y ago
Transgender people have laws passed to fine people for not saying their "pronoun" correctly.
Thankfully, almost half of transgender people kill themselves. :)
Weird how all of these poor, oppressed groups come to countries built by white men, isn't it, dumb bitch?
Let's look at the facts, men are
more than 9x as likely to die at work
more than 4x as likely to be homeless
less likely to pass high school
less likely to complete post secondary
die years earlier
more likely to be victims of crime, violent or otherwise
work more hours
dominate the 3 D's
take less time off
more than 3x as likely to commit suicide
less likely to get custody of children in divorce
White men are the only group whose life expectancy is actually declining in the US. People like you celebrate this regularly.
I guarantee you endlessly disparage white men and then call them Nazis when they band together. Neck yourself, tranny trash. :D
TheProphetPhysiquiel 6y ago
There's a line between my thoughts on the transgender issue, and then there's actual hatred of trans people. This is way too far dude.
katiecharm 6y ago
Oh, so it's almost like you see just a tiny glimpse of the actual legitimate hate and oppression that trans people experience on a daily basis.
This is why we band together and support each other. Because there are savage people like the assholes who have responded to you that genuinely hate us and wish we would die.
Many times they take it upon themselves to ensure so. You have no idea what oppression and hatred feels like, and this is coming from someone who used to believe similar to how you did - until coming out and transition opened my eyes.