in the past, several times in the talking stage, I met some girls who tend to be manipulative, I'm aware of AWALT, all girls are manipulative, but I could say this was in a worse possible manipulation. I know people in this forums proly will assume it as a shit test and give me advice to do amused mastery or any that will pass her shit tests, but I guess there is a thin line between giving shit tests and manipulating me to do as she wanted (in this scenario, its more like obvious disrespect).
The pattern that I got was usually the girl act flirty / submissive in the first phase, once I try to escalate they tend to withdraw, then sometimes threw some random tantrums, personal insults to me (tried to belittle me), and from what I've seen, they assumed I already have a feeling for her after acted flirty, so they "expected" me to give her attention or ask whats wrong when they withdraw or doing any stupid tantrums, which I didn't do. Most of the times, I ignore it. At this point, I still assumed it as she was giving me a shit test. As I wasn't affected at all by her actions, I overheard her talking to her friend that she was frustrated that I did not give her "angry" reaction, and I assumed as a "win". Then unexpectedly, she was gaining allies with her friends, flipped the script like she was the victim. Yeah even her friends believed her, tried to sue me and spread the narrative. I know where this was possibly going, they could tell to my supervisor like she was the victim. At this point, my mind was telling me this is enough, and this is just obvious disrespect. I called her behavior, then she flipped the script again, and called me too sensitive which I ignored, and then reminded her again to not throw any stupid tantrums. After that, I rarely talked to her and kept it super formal and act like I was submissive beta (not doing what she wanted but more like not doing any teasing just keep it super formal), so she got bored and won't manipulate me again. Didn't do any teasing or what so ever after that scenario. It was a non formal work context 1 year ago, but I already left it.
I've seen a lot of women did this in work contexts so they just barely doing any work, and let the beta doing the work for her (which I fucking hate it). From what I've seen, TRP advised to game all women, but sometimes I have hard times differing shit tests and disrespect. Those 2 contexts are best responded as same as responding shit test, but at what costs? I dont think its worth it if I deal with women who tend to have any underlying issues that lead me to unwanted serious scenario like the above. Did I do the right thing by doing all of that?
Adding to that, from my observation, I assumed she has some NPD tendencies, which why she tried to manipulate me. I know, any behavior that called the NPD behavior just make things worse and they wont admit it. Thats why I ignore them (which also the proper response to those shitty behavior), just act like I was submissive to her even though I feel like beta shit sometimes, but after time, I feel like I wanted to do revenge toward that stupid bitch, feeling upset, feeling angry, but those kind of reactions if I were doing that, it's guaranteed to make things worse toward NPD. Relating to that, I have NPD mom, which made me a codependent beta man when I was high school, but called it out to my mom and lashed it all out after I realized my mom often did any NPD behavior since I was a child.
Due to that, whenever I met any NPD girls (which was a clear red flag, but it was unseen at first), my PTSD triggers me and I always want to lash them which is not proper response and they could immediately play the victim card, but if I didnt do anything that could attack the NPD, my mind always goes crazy telling me, "why didn't you lash at her so she could face the consequences??". I know a bit personal, but I just fucking hate it whenver it was work context, but there was a crazy bitch that plays this game and she knows she could flip the script anytime.
Is it just my ego trying to dominate her shitty behavior? I already knew if "ignore" was the proper answer to face NPD, but after I rarely meet the person again I always feel angry that I should have made her feel the consequences.
AbusiveFather1 19h ago
That’s why you never shit where you eat. Never game women at work. Your only leverage as a man is the ability to leave. But you can’t really leave work when she inevitably does some stupid crazy shit, as women always do. And women at work know this: they know you have nowhere to go and have no leverage, so they mess with you.
Don’t date at work, unless you’re prepared to quit the job immediately. This is not the 1950s: if you’re a man, nobody’s on your side - you WILL get fucked.
MrSupreme 17h ago
Not gaming at work is sound advice these days. The worst thing that can happen has become very common, it's not about handling rejection, we're talking job/career, professional reputation and of course the hassle of losing a job and not producing money. All of that because some confused, inflated woman took the most minimal of flirting/compliment and fabricated a whole MeToo story about it. So in the case of work gaming, I'd rather find out if the girl is one of these special and troublesome people before I act.
I DO NOT, i repeat, I DO NOT mean to say there aren't exceptions! I see these exceptions everywhere all the time, people meet at work, get married or just work together, it is very common actually.
Intelligent-Sir-6319 8h ago
Yeah I know this, I didn't make any sexual teasing or any that immediately make me as a creep. She acted flirty at first (I assumed this one was joking), then I tried to escalate it with jokes (mind you it was just joking only nothing personal nothing sexual, I thought she was the type that take it slow in work context, not too serious, didnt even think to date her or anything related), then she acted crazy whenever I didn't want to do exactly as she wanted which it was clearly for her benefits only but disguising it as "shared objectives". I was her senior in that scenario, and she tried to manipulate me to agree to all of his inputs, which I didn't.
After I knew this shitty behavior, I keep it super formal, and respond to her very briefly, didn't want to risk any of it again. She got bored, and rarely talked to me at that time, but I keep thinking what if I happen to meet this kind of person again in the mean time at work context or any context that I couldn't leave immediately? should I just act very formal and dodge any flirty behavior (respond it with formal manner even if some bitch act flirty toward me at work)? Cause in my opinion if I have this mindset, any bitch who tried to behave this way wont have any power toward me as I keep it formal, but the tricky part is even if I behave very formal, sometimes there is a bitch who wants to work as little as possible and tried to manipulate others with many ways possible. Even if I act super formal, sometimes they approach me with very polite ways to get me do her responsibilities. At this situation, if there were no other beta cucks or simps that could do favor to this bitch, this bitch tries to using any available man (in that situation was me) to do her responsibilities whether by manipulating me politely or throwing stupid random tantrums and flipping the scenario as if she were the victim if manipulating me politely doesn't work.
For additional context, it was a volunteer work which I can safely say there are no money involved and it was non formal work.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 16h ago
Yup. If pussy is worth more to you than money, just rent a fucking whore and be done with it. It's a better and safer deal.
The company inkwell is never worth the price of admission unless your job is replaceable garbage anyways.
MrSupreme 7h ago
Reminds me of a quote from Roissy's website from back in the day: "Don't dip your pen(is) in company (p)ink"
I will always remember it hehe
AbusiveFather1 19h ago
Also, understand that women WILL get their money’s worth. As in, women will only interact with a man if there’s something to gain: if a woman spent her time dealing with you, and let’s say she didn’t get what she wanted primarily (money, sex), she will absolutely find a way to not leave the deal empty-handed, which in your case is getting attention and social brownie points for being a victim.
AbusiveFather1 19h ago
And that’s why you should strive to only ever deal with women in a controlled environment, where the odds are stacked in your favour, on your terms. And workplace dating is not that, not for a man.
Intelligent-Sir-6319 8h ago
Noted, I noticed this often
Thanks, noted. Maybe my ego was just overwhelmingly blowing up. I always have a thought, if I knew red pill and my game is tight, I could handle almost any scenario which was completely wrong, but I just couldnt accept if a bitch was using me in work context to make me do favors for her which completely wasnt my responsibility. How should I navigate this?
Even she chuckled after I agreed to some of her inputs (this was before I called her behavior), which clearly she was trying to using me