There's probably a better label for it, but basically when a man leans their personality more towards femininity and flamboyance, almost gay, but they're able to use this to gain trust with women and get really close to them. Think Pedro Pascal, who obsesses over women's nails and shows emotional vulnerability, yet is able to get really touchy feely with women and even grope another man's pregnant celebrity wife. He says he's not gay and, women are obsessed with him, sexually.
From what I've seen it's very effective. Why is this? Because at first glance it seems to go against what we understand about what women are attracted to.
Does it go against TRP principles? Maybe? Maybe not? I mean I'd guess you can still maintain frame, because frame is not necessarily about masculinity or dominance, but rather maintaining integrity with your values, so if you are a zesty mofo, then you need to maintain frame of doing that even when you get called out as just acting.
universitythrowaway Should i (x1) 3d ago
I’ve noticed this as well. If you’re a super masculine guy it can work in your favour; similar to smiling and being a kind person in general. It builds trust and also gives just enough comfort while your physical presence and frame conveys masculinity and dominance.
As a few people on this forum mentioned, some people take the whole stoic and alpha thing way too far by being way too serious and not a fun person to be around.
But hey, maybe it’s also the world shifting. One of the guys I knew in university who pulled a lot was skinny 5’4 Indian and at first impression you’d think he was gay. But he was a super genuine and kind person to be around. He would compliment everyone but never in a needy way. You would feel good being around him and he was a great example of charisma.
Mountainman 3d ago
“Never in a needy way” I doubt that. The reason he was safe was because he was harmless. Groups of people designate an average person in the group as safe person who gets a disproportionate response to his personality. I’ve seen him in every group I’ve been a part of. Average in every way and yet people treat his kindergarten jokes and insights like he’s royalty
MrSupreme 3d ago
Celebrities as example is usually a bad idea, because they have a free pass to do pretty much anything, specially if the globohomo media is putting them on the spotlight for whatever reason. Sure, if i got a blowjob in the bathroom at a party or was able to freely grab tits with the excuse of "i need it to feel calm" then I could be just like Spergdro Pascal right?
I also see TikToks where guys act gay, fool a girl to get her number then say bye. That shit is sperg porn, don't fall for it like you woudn't fall for couples doing pranks on each other or pretending they're the perfect couple, a lot of kids have those "relationship goalz" because all they see is that relationship porn. Porn isn't real, it fucks expectations and the vision of reality. TV and movies used to condition people, now Tiktok is doing the job.
If you really wanna stand out, regardless of being masculine or feminine then make people laugh, control a crowd, approach girls when they're with their friends, lead conversations, learn to tell a story, make people feel things when you talk, give them tingles, keep them thinking of you. Skills you can build for free with some guidance and lots of practice. Or wear a leather jacket, drive a Harley and be a bad boy that barely says a word.
EDIT: I've seen what a man's mouth can do, we can go places with these pretty mouths.
Bozza 2 3d ago
Go read up "The Game" and "The Mystery Method". It's old school PUA shit these days, that's been superseded by TRP. But worth a read anyway if you haven't come across it.
It reminds me of peacocking. Being flamboyant, wearing flamboyant clothes, painting your nails etc.
It's basically standing out from the crowd, drawing attention to yourself which gives you social proof and then holding frame.
Musicgoon78 3 3d ago
No it doesn't go against trp principals. Robert Greene has a book "The Art of Seduction". One of the archetypes is the Dandy. This is what you're talking about. My friend in my 20's was like this. Very effiminate and even would go out with a feather boa on. At the time I didn't understand it.
These guys are confident with who they are and their sexuality. Being flamboyant ≠ gay. Their frame is solid, usually they just like peacocking.
No-Stress-Cat 3d ago
How to attract women:
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 3d ago
We focus on the very basic core methods here because most of the people coming here for help are at the level of hapless spergs that act neurotically, obsess over a singular woman or type of woman, over-explains themselves constantly, and in so many other ways telegraphs neediness, insecurity, and weakness, which instantly give any pussy a case of the dry icks.
The best thing for terminal nubcakes like that to learn are the basics. Yeah, it might be nice to skip straight to Olympic Gold medalist in a marathon, but if you can barely stand on your own, maybe consider the need to learn how to walk at all before thinking one is ready to run in one.
What are the basics you ask? Well, for most men, due to their paucity of social skills, that will be learning when to shut the fuck up, watch, and listen, instead of skipping to how to always have a witty bon mot ready.
Because it is better to be silent than to delivery a quip poorly.
BeeSerious9 3d ago
absolutely, today I can usually deliver even poor bs in a way that will be good enough, but I took my time to actively shut up and listen before
First-light 1 3d ago
I think it only really clashes with what I regard as a very common misconception about red pill theory. Women want quality men. Ideally stand out quality men. Women want men who they feel are taking them somewhere upward both in their feelings and in the world.
A lot of guys get hung up on the idea of dominance. They think it means being huge and hairy, bossing women about and choking girls in bed. dominus is the latin for master. Dominance is being a master. If you look at a dandy go out on the town with a bunch of girls, he is very much the master of his scene. He is usually the centre of attention. He stands out like a peacock in his confidence, particularly if he dresses slightly camply. Girls will go along with what he says, he is not simping to them. Girls want to gain his approval. They can be mortified if he puts them down with a catty comment about the way they dress or act.
Quite a lot of famous women have fallen in love with hairdressers. Hairdressers make them feel good, make them beautiful, increase their value in their own eyes. Hairdressers come pre approved by other women who have all been under their hands and rave about them. A very large number of hairdressers, photographers, clothing designers and perfumiers are homosexual. The other half's dicks never dry out because they are masters of their scene, they have knowledge women crave and they make women beautiful.
The most important thing to grasp is that the dandy must be a confident master of fashion and the girly scene. He really knows their world and knows what goes and what does not. He is not at all to be contrasted with the pathetic boy who has white knees after a school football game and who wants to be in with the girls because the boys tease him and the girls have all the fun. The Dandy might not play football but that is because he wouldn't be caught passing water on a football pitch not because he runs away from the ball.