Further from my post yesterday which can be found here https://www.forums.red/p/asktrp/322524/future_wife_doesn_t_want_to_move_into_new_house_and_now_has
I broke up with her. This morning before work I asked if she wants to give it another try. She said her heart says yes but her mind says no. The main reason is that she knows I hate her parents and sister. She said that I will always hate them. Tbh I’ve never got along with her sister.
So I said I can’t live my life like this and under their command and control. So I am breaking up. She then just stood still then looked up and said do you mean it? I said yes.
I went to work. And out it to the back of my mind. Went to the gym after work but now being back home I do feel really upset about it.
The way she cried and said nothing. That’s all I can think off. All the good times we had up to this point.
She called me after. I assume it was to arrange to pick up her clothes. But it wasn’t she wanted to check if I meant the break up. She then said she wants to try again but her head says it can’t work. I just said let’s just have space and we will see what happens.
I don’t really know what I want from this post but all I know I am upset.
Lone_Ranger 1 3w ago
Some pratical steps:
If you are currently living together OR if she has keys to your current address;
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best
She may not go down without a fight. My prediction is that she will now reveal her true colours, by saying something like ;
"I want you to buy me out of that house. That house will go up in value, and its OUR house, so you need to pay me 50% of any price increase etc etc etc"
This is bullshit. It's not OUR house, because she hasn't paid any part of it. If (when?) she starts with this game, then you will know her true nature. Her true nature is that she was interested in your resources, not in you.
DO NOT feel obliged to placate or appease her, because that never works. If you try to offer hers something, she will just want more. She needs to meet firm resistance. If she takes that position, you should reply in the following;
"No. You have no claim on that house. I am buying by myself, and its nothing to do with you. You can do this the hard way or the easy way.
The hard way - we renege on the contract, the seller suits us jointly, and we will both be jointly liable for the penalty, which I understand to be substantial. If you do not pay your half of the penalty directly to the seller, then the seller will pursue YOU in the courts. I do not care about paying my half of the penalty, as I have a good income, good resources and the help of my family.
The easy way - You can walk away from this without having to pay the penalty, go to court or have your credit rating damaged. I will appeal to the seller to have the contract changed so that you have no liability.
Only give her these 2 options, do not engage in negotiations or even entertain any variations. Its the hard way or the easy way. That's it.
Stand firm, this is the start of your new life as a man that stands up for himself.
Wartortle This Guy Follows Advice 3w ago
Appreciate this. Will follow this. I will keep you updated if anything happens
First-light 3w ago
If a woman is pulling back, just run. They are hard to trust when they run towards you, when they pull back it would be very dangerous to follow them.
Women are more holistic. If things are good, all is good but if they are not sure, then they struggle to see the good even where it is strong.
Its very sad for you but in time you will see this as a lucky escape. Its possible you could have a happy ever after with her but its a very remote possibility and it could be dangerous to chase it.
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Einsamer 3w ago
Don't forget to clean up before you run. Make sure she has no access to any of your documents, banks accounts, other accounts like email, phone, ...
Also, if possible, this is the time to become beta. It makes sure that she feels disgusted about you, instead of angry. This is good to reduce the chance of false rape claims or other bullshit.
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First-light 3w ago
Yes cleaning up before running is good. Also letting her decide she broke up because you were not good enough in some way is best I agree. Being too Beta may risk her thinking she can friend zone you and ask you to move her into her new man in a few months or some such. When she is gone, she is gone.
I think the OP neds to get money well sorted, close out all joint things and get the deeds of his new house adjusted as his main priority. He must not buy a house over which she has any right. This is imperative and comes before anything else. Her goodwill to achieve this easily must be retained at all cost. If that means some beta stuff is needed to get there then its a great investment but not so much beta as to get pushed off this course.
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liftheavystuff 3w ago
Based on the fact pattern of your previous post, you did the prudent thing.
The overarching issue with this is her unwillingness to leave her parents "frame" and enter your's. Her unwillingness to travel 25 minutes is quite irrational and it makes me think there's underlying psych issues here or something else.
Anyway, this is all conjecture, and frankly doesn't matter. You cannot be with a partner that doesn't respect you, and with whose family you do not get along with.
You dodged a major bullet. Your future self thanks you.
However, it doesn't make the present pain any less.
Take this time to focus on the self. Read a novel. Hike. Play video games. Lift. Run. Whatever. Do not turn to alcohol or substances. Do not turn to dating apps.
We are here to support you.
Btw, are you buying the house?
Hamza99 3w ago
Don't turn to anything addictive. No porn.
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DonDripp 3w ago
She says that to blame you and to have trump card if she'd change her mind anytime in next 30y. You gave her perfect conditions to do it, you asked her - does she want, she smelled blood.
You further rationalise her behaviour, leaving in your mind exactly this gap she will try to exploit if she come back in 30y with saggy ass and tits, still dripping warm cum.
I have read comments in previous entry. Ppl suggested you take action and you make decision and she either will follow or not, without you explicitly giving her vocalised chances. Everyone here understand you, no one here is to placate to you.
If you wanted to give her a chance to follow, your absolute best chance was to ghost her, and to open the door if she kneeled on the other side [as she already know you will do your thing and overcommunicating it was like giving her chance to change her mind, but she new what is behind it, you have begged her to change her mind by giving her another chance]. Watch https://youtu.be/leeoJLBtLIw, standard.
https://youtu.be/UGvwnVJZNiA
she waits for you to break. Now for a sec: lets assume you just would say you made a mistake and want back, internally you should sense disgust - it would be for yourself. ON top of that the first thing she would do after that, she would go to the sperm bank get some sperm and brush her teeth with it to remove any taste of you, she would feel so disgusted as well.
Further giving you false hope and observing will you fall for it:
YOU SHOULD CONVINCE HEAD HER AND BEG HER that it can work, prove yourself, take a knee, more GIVE HER A RING
You have shared, that is a good start. You are blind to her actions, no experience, you agreed to 1000 concessions and didn't notice when, that led to frame* loss if there was any to start with.
You are worried you will be alone as per previous thread so you need to talk to someone who will actually understand. Online forum is a start but it is cold start. No one can give you slap or brow beat you in a friendly way.
Apparently you are good with money. You can get therapist, you might have a problem to find a good one.
Wait for opinions from other dudes on below idea, but guy that has written book someone else advised you to read, is also therapist and has some approved therapist/coaches here https://www.drglover.com/coaching-groups.html
*before you will FEEL what is frame, I'd say FOR STARTERS think about it as boundaries that you uphold and don't abandon. When you abandon your boundaries, then you don't have frame.
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whytehorse2021 3w ago
Just don't fall into the sunken cost fallacy. Guys tend to think they build up equity in relationships but that's not the case at all. All the good times you had you can still have if you friendzone her.
And remember women don't cry for the reasons we cry. It's an evolutionary tactic to get out of trouble and not be held accountable. You held her accountable by walking away from the marriage because of HER actions.
Hamza99 3w ago
You did the right thing.
Plenty of BETTER fish in the sea.
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Hondurak 3w ago
Idk didnt read beyond the title but just beware of one thing, TRP is generally anti-relationship. You will hardly ever get good LTR advice. A lot of it will be to walk away or end things. No relationship is perfect, there will always be bullshit. Ultimately what matters is how much youre willing to put up with and if the pro's outweigh that. Let that be the deciding factor.
Once you say you break up, its no going back. Especially if you felt TRP pushed you to do it so therefore it was the "right" thing to do. Seriously, I have had girls head over heels for me, but when we broke up, things really changed. They internalize all the pain and hurt and it literally hardwires their brains. Even if they want you back theyre not going to be the same and will be very insecure.
I would take advice here, and listen to your own gut feeling and sit on it for a few days before making a big decision.
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First-light 3w ago
I agree red pill advice tends to be negative on long term things. This is a bias that is worth noticing but its also worth saying the odds on the average marriage lasting are not good. Its like offering a man a box of hand grenades and telling him the fuses have been taken out on half of them, pull a pin, stick his fingers in his ears and see if he is lucky. If the omens are negative now before the start, then really its very likely to be a lucky escape for the OP.
It hurts like hell but he has probably had a malignant growth removed early. It hurts far more when she gets the house and the car and the kids and the dog and hollows a man out to being a work drone for her alimony.
Only set out on a dangerous journey when the omens are good. Our ancestors were not fools when they said such things.
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liftheavystuff 3w ago
Or you could get a prenup
First-light 3w ago
Still dangerous. Prenup protections are limited. I think generally they cover assets before marriage not acquired during. If you pay off the house in joint names during, you will never see it again if you split.
No marriage is better. Its still a risk but tis better. You will lose less this way than with a prenup.
liftheavystuff 3w ago
Country and State dependent. Educate yourself.
First-light 3w ago
That's like saying the weather is poor, so get more information about the area and climb in your waterproofs. Works for some routes, not for others.
Yes educate yourself about the local laws and protect yourself from them as much as possible but beware the overall climate. Local laws tend to change towards the overall global trend. People can move between states and countries. The weather is bad for men's rights and the state gets more and more powers to mess with your life. A lot can change in the period of a marriage. Buyer beware.
Impressive-Cricket-8 3w ago
Yeah, it'll hurt like a bitch. But in a month, it'll hurt just a little bit less. In six months, it may still bother you, but it won't be pain anymore.
Don't stop doing your stuff. Take your time to mourn the relationship, but keep your head in your job, your hobbies, your friends. Don't lose sight of what's important.
Maturin_nj 3w ago
You did what was necessary. You drew the line in the sand saying it's you or her family. A weak beta male would have complied with her demands and lived on the same street as her family. This would have been your death. She knows other women will be interested in you.
This is the only way to shake her world view. Go NC. It works and will work with you. I predict she's going to cave and follow you within 3 months. But hold strong on NC. Be honest with her and just tell her when the time comes "I don't want to live in your insular world. Your right I don't like your sister, here's why. Maybe I'll change my mind some day". You can also say I'm building a world for us. It's time for you to become the grown woman I thought you were. Once this girl settles in with you, she's going to love it and the freedom of escaping her family.
First-light 3w ago
But do you want to start a marriage by making your spouse cave in on a big issue? Its not a partnership, its not leadership its forcing a result. There will be other issues and she will be less keen on you and you on her when they come up. When these issues come do you want this one logged on her hard drive. Women log everything negative on the hard drive. They do not log pluses against the negatives (at least it never seemed that way to my observation of relationships).
All this alpha leader pushing the girl along stuff only works while she is liking it and that is usually while she is fresh in love. Later it can be called controlling or abusive. It would be seen as one of the signs of abuse. It will be a big I owe you if you force this one through. And you will carry it for the duration of the relationship. The family will work against you over it too.
If women are not willing, bug out. In this day and age there is no other wise solution. Years ago when the law protected men fairly it would have been OK but now, just run.
Whatsnext 3w ago
Yeah i like what your saying but if shes already trying to control the frame completely and not trusting his vision hes going to have to fight for every single decision and its not worth it. But maybe thats modern dating too idk
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MrSupreme 3w ago
You're upset,it was a long LTR so it's natural you're upset. But you did the right thing,she is not showing any kind of flexibility,she's letting you know this,just not directly,but in womanese She wants you to be the one to break up because it is such a good deal to have you as a puppy on a leash,she wont do it herself.She knows that if you give in to this thing,you will give in to anything,always. This is your time to shine so stay on your path, come to terms with the relationship coming to an end and don't look bad.
Whatsnext 3w ago
Happened to me bro. The difficult part is only time, new women, and exercise can help. Also maybe counseling can help some of the narratives the women forces in your brain but usually counseling is dogshit. The hard part is realizing you cant invest in them really because they can leave at any time and ultimately everything is your fault because they will never take accountability. The "said she this, she did that" doesnt even matter, she will have a new guy same week and will blame you. I'm surprised you still had the nuts to leave but maybe you aren't saying everything. good luck
Kreaton01 3w ago
If she wasn't willing to move slightly further away you really dodged a bullet. Just think about what would've come next.