Hello TRP,
I recently discovered "The Rational Male" and bought it just because the name of the book appealed to me. I began reading it and instantly fell in love with it. Without discovering the TRP Subreddit I wanted "more" TRP truths and began reading other books like "No more Mr Nice Guy!", 48 Laws of Power, The Prince, How to Win friends and Influence People and Models (most of them currently in progress as I re-read chapters before going to the next one and trying to apply things before going to the next chapter). Ironically when I bought them I didn't even realize that they where somehow connected, after reading them it became clear though. I now discovered these books are mentioned very often on the TRP sub because they all contain TRP truths.
My problem is now the following: At the beginning of No More Mr Nice Guy! Glover states that:
The information and tools presented in No More Mr. Nice Guy! work. If you are a frustrated Nice Guy, the principles presented in the following pages will change your life.
You will:
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● Accept yourself just as you are.
At the point I read that I just finished reading the "Just be yourself" Chapter in TRM and I struggle with this advice. Rollo Tomassi clearly states that "just be yourself" is some shitty advice (or some shitty excuse you keep telling yourself) you give friends when you don't have a solid advice for a certain situation. Somehow I think I'm not getting the point of "Accept yourself just as you are." as of my understanding now it would violate the fact that "Just be yourself" is bullshit (at least if you're a beta, BP, nice guy). As both are considered "standard literature" of TRP I assume I don't understand the meaning of the whole "Accept yourself just as you are" thing from NMMrNG.
Can you help me out? What am I missing? Or is it that Glover and Tomassi just fundamentally disagree in this aspect?
MrEiffel 10y ago
They do not disagree, but they mean different things.
Glover is speaking about "Nice Guys" who are spending enourmous amounts of time and mental energy hiding parts of themselves that they believe are bad, wrong or socially unacceptable. The first correct step is acknowledging your own imperfections and flaws and accepting that this is who you are NOW
Society as a whole sees this moment as the pinnacle of perfection, but this is off course horseshit.
Once you know who you are NOW, you start to improve yourself. This is a life long journey and a central part of TRP teachings. When you take "being yourself" as "to lazy improve", then like Rollo says it is shitty advice.
Basically:
1. Acknowledge and accept yourself with all the good and bad.
2. Evaluate what side of you is weak/bad/crappy
3. Start improving until the day you die.
bicepsblastingstud 10y ago
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Outstanding answer.
This is accepting yourself in the sense of "understand yourself, and don't hate yourself for it."
You need to accept yourself before you can realistically hope to improve anything. Once I accept that my skills with women are sub-par, for instance, I can now actively start working to improve those skills. If I refused to accept that I had no game, how could I realistically hope to improve it?
krakosia 10y ago
Denial anger bargaining depression acceptance
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[deleted] 10y ago
There are two definitions of just be yourself:
bluepill: be a nice guy and treat her like a princess
redpill: be the best man you can be and treat her as an equal
Kawaii_Fart_Tits 10y ago
Exactly. I manipulate all the people in my life, it's not just the women. If I could beat my boss I would. Unfortunately it's only my SO.
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Average_Black_Man 10y ago
that's exactly the opposite of the truth
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Average_Black_Man 10y ago
These things do happen, and to not discuss them would be stupid. What people should NOT be doing, however, is complaining about it without offering a solution. Thankfully I don't see much of that, especially by regular posters.
smokingmonkey420 10y ago
Just be yourself is some of the best advice you can give someone. I take it as code to just relax and let go of your thoughts, insecurities, assumptions and anything else that might be weighing you down mentally and just live in the moment.
The catch is that you must always be working to improve yourself.
They are in fact mutually exclusive ideas but feed off one another. There is a time to be yourself (in public) and a time for introspection and improvement (alone time).
Just be yourself because that's all you can be.
randarrow 10y ago
Accept yourself for who you are is bullshit patronizing advice coming from others. Most men do not know who we are, and are in denial about details of ourselves, so how can really accept who we are when we don't even know it? Peoples visions of themselves are largely bullshit. Telling someone to accept who they are, to just be yourself, is telling someone to be who we want them to be, to drink the kool-aid....
Also, who we are changes. We are a byproduct of our communities, our friends, our upbringing, our genes, our self conditioning. If I just be myself, which of these am I to be? Who I want to be? Who my genes say I am? Who my girlfriend wants me to be. Who I was yesterday? Who are these mes, exactly?
But, if these phrases find meaning for you in your search for self awareness, so be it. Be yourself, is similar to, but no replacement for and follows: know thyself. Also, is a corollary to love thyself.
Temet nosce
Disce pati
Nihil relinque
abcd_z 10y ago
This is unconditional self-acceptance:
-Albert Ellis, the father of Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT).
No More Mister Nice Guy advocates unconditional self-acceptance, while Rollo rightly points out that "just be yourself" is an excuse to not change your behaviors. Both NMMNG and TRM are correct; the correct answer is to accept yourself as a person while still working to change your behaviors.
tenientj 10y ago
REBT is great fucking shit
RPthrowaway123 10y ago
I take that to mean accept the things about yourself that you can't change - so you're short, or balding, or whatever. Accept it, because these are in your genes.
But you can workout and get stronger, you can shave your head, you can get a higher-paying job, you can learn a new skill, and more. These are all things that you can change about yourself.
TL;DR Accept the things that are unchangeable, but bust your ass and change the things that you can.
asd1100 10y ago
How you "are" is different than who "yourself" is.
You "are" a man, a rational animal(a animal that has the skill of reason), a sexual being, self aware primate.
Your self, your identity is: a good guy, a friendly, honorable, kind, gentle evolved rational person.
Your identity is constructed from what your 7 year old self saw, was told or was forced to be by his environment. At best it is the toilet training for the beast inside but more often than not, it is the neutering and domestication of a marvel of nature.
When discussing acceptance of who you are, we are trying to remove the apologetic nature bred in your identity(this is what NMMNG basically is for). Resetting your standards and values to be at least in line with your basal needs, if not removed all together are replaced with something more tangible, pragmatic or healthy. That Pragmatism that rational animal, under a blanket of velvet so people don't get scared of you in social standings is nothing more than masculinity, that is being an alpha, being a rational animal, an animal with reason.
dongpal 10y ago
There's a question I got from Nice Guy book too :
Do I actually have to answer this with a yes? Because I dont believe in it.
DeputyDelicious 10y ago
Bro. "Accept yourself just as you are." and "Just be yourself." mean the exact same thing!!
The thing is that right now you AREN'T being your true self. If you think you are a Nice Guy then chances are you have NEVER really been your true self. source: me, former nice guy.
Accept yourself just as you are means don't change yourself in order to make the people around you more comfortable. Don't be afraid of the confrontation. Both things basically mean come to terms with your masculinity and rather than hiding it from the world display it like a badge of honor.
Both people are all about embracing YOU. The real you. The guy that doesn't people please and change himself to blend in with his surroundings. The MAN that does what HE wants.