Why are women so attracted to Alphas, Dark Triad, bad boy/jerkboys? I've read all the posts and sidebars in r/redpill but I'm still not understanding the underlying biological, evolutionary, cultural, ect. reasons why.
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Wolfwoodd 12y ago
"Alpha," in the context of TRP, means "attractive to women." Alpha traits are traits that are attractive to women. Therefore, you question doesn't make much sense.
Now to your underlying question. Subconsciously, women are attracted to men that can attain resources (providers). They also want men with good genetics (lovers). These types of men will be the best at helping to protect and raise healthy, happy children. Sometimes, if women can't find both traits in a man, they will conceive with a "lover" and pair-bond with a provider.. possibly passing off the lover's child as the providers.
I hope that description helps. In TRP, we tend to focus on traits that will help us fill the lover's role.
[deleted] 12y ago
Jerks/Badboys/Alphas -
Attractive women live their life with constant validation and therefore they never build up a tolerance to rejection. When a jerk comes along and brushes them off it shatters them. They're not used to guys making them feel bad about themselves. Its like giving a girl an ego-migraine. She needs it stop NOW and the only aspirin is the validation you're withholding from her.
Dark Triad -
Natural selection has no morals. Watch any nature documentary and see how many fucks mother nature gives about the good guy. She prefers to reward the biggest, toughest, meanest, most cunning motherfucker who's not afraid to take what he wants. Those are the genes that are going places, not the guy who's limited by his society's passing moral codes.
In addition a bigtime criminal/serial killer gets instant celebrity status in the U.S. Women don't discriminate fame from infamy, the spotlight is just as alluring to them either way. I have a lot harder time wrapping my head around why lots of negative attention will skyrocket your SMV like that.
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[deleted] 12y ago
I wasn't talking about you I said attractive women
papercutbliss 12y ago
I see what you did there.
FortunateBum 12y ago
I am currently of the opinion, based on what evidence I've investigated that
1) Women are primarily attracted to status. (Dominance - physical especially - is a subset of status.)
2) Status is anything which could possibly benefit a woman's potential offspring. Seen in this way, status could be a wide range of things from appearance to money to fame.
3) It has been scientifically supported through experimentation that the richer you get the less empathy you seem to have. The socio-biological reasons are obvious I'd think. And even if the causation is the other way around, my next point is still valid.
4) The dark triad traits are exactly the same as high-status traits. Is a mafioso high-status? I think to a woman, definitely yes. Why? Dark triad traits. That is, high-status traits. If you think about it, these high-status traits will most definitely assure abundant resources for the woman's offspring. Exhibiting these traits is a sure indicator of high status.
5) Men who are "nice" are essentially low-status. That is, they have few resources to offer offspring.
6) When a man exhibits dark triad traits he is signifying high status in the exact same way you might by driving a fancy car.
7) Women respond favorably because their sexuality is biologically built around getting turned on by status.
I am essentially saying that high-status and the dark triad traits are one in the same. Now I know that there are many who would want to quibble, but this thinking isn't novel. Many learned researchers think psychopathic traits could only help people in positions of power and many of those people are quite possibly psychopaths.
So there you go. This is my own thinking on the subject and something it's taken me a while to arrive at. I'm sure lots of people on TRP are going to disagree.
suscitare 12y ago
I think your reasoning is quite solid; but that leaves those of us that aren't high status/dark triad types in a rather depressing situation. Should we move to another country where we instantly become high status as is being advocated on the roosh v forum?
[deleted] 12y ago
Not being high status can work towards your favor if you're willing to integrate more dark triad traits into your personality. There's a huge niche in the sexual market for the cold, brooding loner type right now. A lot of girls desperately want to be tied up and choked and spanked until they cry and they don't expect to get that kind of treatment from the outgoing clean cut dude who works the crowd at parties.
FortunateBum 12y ago
It's up to you what to do with this information. Personally I think it's best to MGTOW and not waste your time chasing women.
The good news is there are ways to increase your status, you don't have to be born with it (although that's the easiest way).
Another lesson, if I'm correct, is that you can easily increase your perceived status to a woman who's not familiar with you by acting dark triad. Game essentially. But game defined in this way, signifying or faking your status to create attraction in women, helps, I think, to employ it properly.
NahDudeFkThat 12y ago
They are hardwired to receive tingles when a beast interacts with them.
PlusGoody 12y ago
Humans are social animals.
A man's reproductive value is highly linked to his command over communal resources, and STATUS is the measure of that. Hence, women are attracted to what they perceive to be as status.
The perception of status differs from woman to woman and in the same woman over time, and is highly prone to cognitive error.
The attraction of some women to outright assholes is a cognitive error along the lines of: "society's rules say be nice; only high status people can break society's rules; this guy is not nice; therefore this guy is high status."
But here's something important, that the angry virgins who post here don't get. Most women don't suffer from this cognitive deficit, and almost no women worth being with do. Instead, they have not only a more accurate algorithm to read status, but also an affirmative override that will lead them to turning their back on assholes at the earliest opportunity.
DanReggins 12y ago
Nobody has said what I'm going to say yet, so here I go.
The other answers here are correct. But let's add more to the picture.
You will see men who are drug addicts, losers, thugs who are in-and-out of jail getting tons of women. These are men who might, literally, have nothing on you. So what's the difference?
Particularly in the US, the mass media has convinced women that at the heart of such "bad boys", there's actually a really special good guy that can only be unearthed by her. He's not a degenerate failure at life -- no, he's just "misunderstood" and "special".
If you don't believe me, just go to the waiting room of your local jail on visiting day. The largest number of beautiful women I had ever seen in So. Cal. in my life was when I did the same -- all there to talk with their loser "bad boy", locked up boyfriends.
tl;dr -- American women buy into bullshit fantasies sold to them by the MM.
[deleted] 12y ago
Media can't shape attraction. Or do you already feel attracted to fat bitches after those numerous dove commercials?
DanReggins 12y ago
Funny, upvoted, but I don't live in the states anymore.
Still, watch the latest episode of South Park if you get a chance. It's an excellent critique on the power that photoshop has over our society.
The_patrianarchy 12y ago
MM is a bullshit explanation for this.
It fits better into the original dichotomy, fucked up dudes sail past all "shit tests" as they are too fucked up to care. Women are driven by emotions and instinct and "tingles" and on a deep level they misidentify all this shit as the sign of strength.
And why then are they not able to spot these weaknesses; because the modern "safety net" keeps these douches alive. Let's say in a hunter gatherer society - how long do you think the less than 50 person tribe would put up with some asshole that does not work and sits around all day fucking all the bitches and eating the meat that other, stronger men caught.
DanReggins 12y ago
Then why doesn't the same thing happen in other countries?
Pablo Escobar? Now that, I could understand. Your $50 stereo thief dumb enough to get caught? Seen as strong on any level? Only an American cunt would be dumb enough to be attracted to that.
Although I do like your point on the hunter-gather society.
The_patrianarchy 12y ago
I'd like to know if the loser "bad boy" attraction is higher in countries that offer "enlightened women" a non-judgmental safety net. That would be cultural punishment for dating a bad boy (parents pissed) and no comfy safety net without family support.
Maybe it's as simple as "survival" in many cultures is uncertain enough for a bitch to ignore the tingles. Some culture where premarital sex results in death might have less premarital sex. I am of the opinion that the average American has no idea that it is possible to be worried about survival.
Might also be cultural in that we have never been invaded (in any real way) or occupied or etc... That sense of vulnerability is not part of the history or culture.
DanReggins 12y ago
Thank you. A lot of US-only people here don't seem to understand that there's more to the world. I'm not saying NAWALT, but the degree to which they fuck around with losers in countries with no safety net -- as you suggested -- in my experience, is a lot less than it is stateside.
I've been to places where single moms have to become prostitutes because there are literally no other options for them.
It's cultural because Americans overwhelmingly don't travel and don't live elsewhere. Two weeks vacation per year is a fucking joke.
suscitare 12y ago
In ancient times these kind of "alpha" arse-holes would be apprehended and marched to a swamp where there would be summarily beheaded and left to rot. But we can't do that in our so called civilized society because we've been robbed of our sovereignty; authority is at too high a level to notice these things.
MasterGolbez 12y ago
No, we don't do that because we're more enlightened and compassionate in regards to criminal justice.
suscitare 12y ago
locking people up in prison is compassionate?
facepalm
MasterGolbez 12y ago
it can be
ChaoticParadox 12y ago
Women get excited by displays of masculinity. Dominant behavior is what got this species where it is today. Women naturally became aroused by behavior that propagated the species. Women still become aroused by jerks/dark triad/alphas because they have not evolved beyond that point. Technology moves a a faster pace than genetics. Their desire to be fucked by assholes isn't going anywhere for a very long time.
billnye_theRPguy 12y ago
This doesn't just apply to women, do you like being around high-status alphas or do you like being around withdrawn "trying to please everyone" betas?
It's not even science.
suscitare 12y ago
It's not true for men; I hate alphas.
[deleted] 12y ago
High-status alphas, of course, but not the ones who have to "out-alpha" others all the time. It turns every fucking thing into a competition.
Who is the real alpha in that scenario, anyway?
billnye_theRPguy 12y ago
The ones that try to "out alpha" others are insecure and seeking approval, they're actually betas. If you have high value you don't need to have a pissing match with other men.
[deleted] 12y ago
I'd rather chill with the betas and not have to compete with other alphas thats me personally
billnye_theRPguy 12y ago
Competing for what? I'm not saying go pick up girls, I'm saying go shoot some pool some night with some beers. You're basically keeping RP company around and reinforces your lifestyle rather than hanging out with betas who will tell you what their boss did at work or some woman that rejected them.
The_patrianarchy 12y ago
Are you really comparing equally? A 100% beta compared to a 100% alpha, sure the beta is a wimp duplicating and asking if he can bring you another beer from his fridge, the alpha is Mike Tyson at the top of his game crossed with a violent sociopath.
However bring that down to a 25% of each and which would be more fun though. Guys that are the "life of the party" and confident, or guys that are all waiting for the other to take the first step and insecure.
648262 12y ago
Alphas give safety for herself and her offspring. Alphas has the potential to give healthy offspring.
phasetwenty 12y ago
Half right. Beta male provisioning is what provides safety to her and her offspring. Alpha male DNA provides those children the best genes suited to survival.
Terminal-Psychosis 12y ago
Ultimately, women would like to have both qualities in one man. Strong, aggressive, Alpha genes, AND a good, faithful provider. Not very many women are high quality enough to tie down an Alpha as Provider though, so we see them settle for Betta bucks, Alpha fucks.
Very top notch women can get both in one man, it is not unheard of. For the vast majority though, no dice. Just like the vast majority of men must settle to one degree or another.
Why do women like Alpha / dark triad traits? They know instinctively that this guy will get shit DONE, without regard to moral issues. He gets his, and that's good for her and their children. This also includes not caring too much what SHE wants (he passes her shit tests).
They are traits of a good protector, provider, and DNA donor. Again, the trick for women is being high quality enough to get that type of man to commit, which so very few of them can.
The_patrianarchy 12y ago
Best answer. Fucking crazy that post Red Pill this shit all seems so obvious!
Terminal-Psychosis 12y ago
I'm having a hard time understanding your meaning here.
I think we agree, but I'm confused.
The_patrianarchy 12y ago
TRANSLATION: Love your answer. Makes sense and would not have understood the truth of your post pre-red pill.
Also, thinking from a POV of evolutionary biology, here is a further hypothesis. A single scary dark triad man who sees you as property is unlikely to discard you as long as you have value. He does not need to respect, or even care for the women to protect his "property". ie; better the devil you know than the roving band of horny dudes you don't know.
Terminal-Psychosis 12y ago
Right on, thanks for the translation.
Yup, fully agree. Not surprised anymore when a girl stays with a man that hits her. That use to confuse the hell out of me.
The_patrianarchy 12y ago
I went through a bunch of phases - angry, excited, applying, results, disappoint that women are so predictable, turned off from sex for a while as a result, now interested to see how nasty I can get with my wife (we were pretty vanilla in the BP days). Looking back time spent with women has always been less valuable and less important than with men. How did I never see this? I do have to wonder just how this BP veil is able to be so deeply ingrained from such an early age.
[deleted] 12y ago
So many ancient societies were aware of this truth and flourished from it. Thats the single biggest issue with our culture today imo: men hold "love" from a female to a higher importance than platonic male love. Hell, most of them hold basic female attention to a higher importance than they value any of their male friendships. Its a sad world we live in.
TfahsNoriEht 12y ago
For the human species this is correct. /u/648262 is describing gorillas.
648262 12y ago
Leftovers from "those days" is still what makes them attracted to it.
suscitare 12y ago
Humans are primates too.
TfahsNoriEht 12y ago
Humans are great apes, but they are not gorillas.
suscitare 12y ago
Both gorillas and humans are primates.
TfahsNoriEht 12y ago
I'm aware
wakka54 12y ago
Everyone feels good with direction.
Some people are directed by their own mind.
Some people only feel direction when being overpowered.
cagethepepper 12y ago
Being alpha = high testosterone = the tingles.
[deleted] 12y ago
Women are attracted to a variety of different kinds of people. Only some are attracted to alphas. Some are not.
[deleted] 12y ago
Fixed that for ya. Some girls seek out the alpha-athlete. Some go after the alpha of the emo clique. Some girls genuinely like video games and they'll happily date/fuck the shit out of the most alpha nerd in their circle of nerd friends.
riskrowe 12y ago
Did a woman tell you that?
[deleted] 12y ago
Yeah, and common sense.
bigskymind 12y ago
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through_a_ways 12y ago
He's not even pulling Nawalt, he's using pure denial.
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[deleted] 12y ago
I do, actually. And I knew it would be unpopular, but it's the truth. The kind of women who don't like alphas aren't the kind of women we all want anyway, but they do exist.
edit: We all know betas get laid, just probably not by the same women that we'd want to get with.