So the amount of threads on slutty Indians have been on an increase lately so I figured you guys might be able to help.
White American, 6'2", fairly good looking 26 year old male here. I met a really attractive Indian girl with an amazing body a few months ago (23, 5'4", busty but petite and great ass). I usually find that Indian women are either 2s or 9s. This one was a solid 9-10 in my books. We talked a bunch at first and I found that I could have a decent conversation with her. She's very intelligent and a great conversationalist. I talked to her about the red pill and she agrees with a lot of its facets. However she believes that these truths are cultural as opposed to biological. We have a lot of stimulating, respectable conversations/debates on this topic, amongst several others. This is an amazing quality to me, I seek this out not necessarily in a partner but in my company, certainly. The fact that she can provide this makes me want to be with her more. The sex is also insanely good. She's kinky, extremely willing to please and be pleased and just very skilled in general. But of course, the catch. She's an absolute slut. She even admits it, which I find somewhat grudgingly admirable. She says she has never felt the urge to commit and enjoys the cock carousel. While this just made me glad for an opportunity to fuck in the beginning I'm increasingly getting attached to her. I haven't been jealous when it comes to sluts but in her case it enrages me to even consider such a thing. In fact, she told me she would find it sexy to watch me fuck someone else which instead of delighting me just made me madder. She studied in Sweden for 4 years so I don't know if that could be where that came from.
I really want her in her entirety. I want to be her captain, and I can't really conceive of letting her go and finding someone else. I've met girls who are equally good looking but her compatibility in terms of companionship is very rare and I doubt I will find anyone like her.
Have any of you successfully converted a 'slut'? Is it possible to turn her into the perfect woman that I want her to be? If not, how can I live with this?
TLDR: I want to transform a great, near perfect Indian woman who's a slut to be my monogamous partner. Help.
whataboutudummy 10y ago
I wrote this before i realized the age of the post...
The fact that she told you she is a "slut" means that -- for whatever reason, whether it is her own lifestyle choice taking precedence over the idea that she could find an LTR, or that she thinks you are below her or she is below you (i.e. that you are not compatible for a LTR) for an LTR -- she simply does not want or anticipate a LTR with you.
Honestly, i lean towards the notion that the explanation for the choice is probably that she is either currently dedicated to the slut lifestyle (aka just sleeping with who she pleases, when she pleases) OR she thinks that she is better than you and you are not worthy of an LTR with you.
The other possibility is that the slut comment was just a statement of fact, especially if she was drunk or manic (are you sure she isn't a manic depressive?), is that the slut comment was just an unabashed statement describing herself (aka describing her very recent past, being slut is like being a professional juggler, it's a status that can change) .
So, it's possible she would like to be with you, and if the sex is good, I think you can get a former slut to be faithful.
Thus, if she indeed would like to be with you in an LTR if the alternative is losing you entirely, then you can give it a try. Will she cheat? I am going to say it is far more likely than if she was a good girl who had only slept with, say, 4 men, all boyfriends she was committed to, at age 24. So, yeah, she could cheat.
But, she seems pretty honest. She's certainly relatively honest about being a slut. Just keep your hopes low.
FWIW, i was with an awful slut at a younger age, she sort of admitted it, and then she turned around and cheated A LOT, with A LOT of different dudes (ie there was no other man per se, just a bunch of random fucks), even though i fucked the shit out of her on a daily basis, made her cum hard constantly, introduced her to parents and she was in close contact with my fam and i was with hers -- none of this stopped her from behaving this way.
Honestly, if the sex wasn't great, i would say just dont give her too much thought, and maybe try to explain the value of commitmemt somehow, maybe there is an article you could send her.
But given that the sex is good, I would just fuck her hard as fuck, or well as fuck, refuse to eat the pussy obviously if she has been with another man in the past month or similar, see if you can't make yourself her preferred stunt cock, and just treat her like your favorite pussy hole, avoid an STD, and IF the time comes that your emotions actually make doing this impossible, THEN lay it out there for her. If there is any hint that she is doing anything currently with others, make sure she hears about you fucking other girls, preferably ones she knows. Sluts love that, I think it is seen as an endorsement by other women of their decision to fuck you. Good luck, you'll need it if you let your feelings get in the way of good pussy... it's pretty likely that if you treat her as more than a friend while she's still sleeping around her respect for you will go in the toilet, but maybe she's more self aware and wouldn't fall for that illogical ho antilogic.
philipzimbardo 10y ago
NO HYMEN NO DIAMOND
R4F1 10y ago
Never mention TRP to a "slut", never! Its the Fight Club rule. Only bring up TRP to people you know are not sluts, and you want them to stay that way! For example- One could talk to their daughter to explain things like the "carousel" and "hitting the wall", and why she should only engage in hypergamy (which is a rational human instinct) to find a husband, but once found, should remain faithful.
When you mention TRP to a "sexually liberated" slut, and she agrees. All she's really doing is agreeing that "yeah, sexuality is about power play, so what?". Every tier-1 feminist knows that feminism and "sexual liberation" isn't about equality or freedom, its simply about power dynamics/power play. That's what TRP helps explain to men. Getting a woman to agree with it while she actively engages in it, means she's a no-no!
tepper2 10y ago
"How do I LTR a total slut?"
/r/Im14AndIsThisAlpha
LeGrandDiableBlanc 10y ago
This has been my number one turn on for my entire life, and it has thus been my biggest downfall.
I know what you're thinking... this girl is sexy AND can stimulate my mind. It's incredibly rare in of itself for me to find someone mentally stimulating, and to find it in an attractive girl is intoxicating.
...but
Rational discourse is the antitheses to female attraction. Females are primarily emotional in their sexuality, and as such the romantic partners they choose will ALWAYS be the ones who can emotionally stimulate them the best. In my experience, rational discourse absolutely kills emotional momentum. Watch and see how quickly and easily she hops out of your bed and into another. Don't get too attached; she's already gone.
Espada18 10y ago
The fucks wrong with you?
[deleted] 10y ago
Why would you do this OP?...
SeekingTheWay 10y ago
agreed. YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT TRP!
copralalic 10y ago
Damn skippy. I think you need to soft-next her for the sake of your reputation.
Never, never, NEVER discuss Red Pill with anyone in a serious manner. You can joke with guys about it (guys who need it) but make sure you have plausible deniability in case they get weird about things.
Seriously, you can get smeared real hard by being in this space.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
What would you say is wrong with that considering she already knew about TRP and I didn't really have to use it on her (apart from categorising her)?
jacks_not_surprised 10y ago
I was thinking this too.
What kind of wizard discusses his tricks with the audience?
TheGillos 10y ago
And for my next trick I will be distracting you with my right hand while using slight of hand to pocket the ping pong ball...
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Lol, do you guys think TRP is some kind of secret society? I assure you, it is not. There's even a /r/redpillwomen I believe. She also knew about TRP and that's why we could even have informed discussions on the topic. Most importantly, I didn't have to use TRP techniques on her because she's damn easy so it wasn't like I was revealing my 'tricks'.
thewrightstuff88 10y ago
its no secret society but there's plenty of people out there who know the concepts with which it consists of but don't have the balls to live its ideals. yes there is r/redpillwomen but even then, women are women, and you telling her about TRP can possibly make you seem less genuine as a man then you actually are in her eyes. women know about TRP in terms of concepts, deep deep in the back of their mind, they just won't admit to it because that would hurt their ego
thepillwastaken 10y ago
I dont understand why when we all tell you to fuck other women, you respond with "I have fucked other women".
This is not the past tense. You need to go fuck more girls immediately and get control of the situation. Girls can sense when a guy is slipping, in a slump, or unconfident. This girl will lose attraction in a nano second if you keep thinking the way you are posting in here.
oldmantrp 10y ago
I don't know what her family background is. I myself, have a thing for HB9 Indians. Some do not. To each their own.
If she's culturally Indian, being with you is not part of her long term family plan. She is being a slut with you even if she professes monogamy with you. Why you ask? Her family has an Indian guy in mind. A marriage might even be arraigned. Until she's with him, she's slutting around.
CDBaller 10y ago
you can't make a ho into a housewife.
logically_ 10y ago
You're already done. This post is a symptom of the sickness. This chick is going to leave you because you're turning into a whimpering simp. The more you want to own her the more respect she's going to lose for you.
Oneitis is one thing.. But with a known and avowed slut? Cmon dawg, you're better than that. Snap out of it and see this chick for what she is: at best a nice piece of pussy and at worst the cause of your downfall. She ain't worth it bro.
I would suggest going no contact based on how twisted your thoughts have become. You're pretty fucking far from red pill. At the very least, begin the process of emotionally disconnecting from this bitch. Sooner is a lot better than later.
Ronin11A 10y ago
I want Dan Bilzerian's bank account. Also, I want to go back in time and re-inhabit my 18-year old body with all I know now. Both are about as likely as what you're trying to do.
teeay 10y ago
That time travel trick would be pretty cool though.
TRPsubmitter 10y ago
Dude, you have a lack of abundance.
If you have 3-4 equally attractive girls on the side, you wouldn't be jealous. Jealousy is a product of scarcity.
And no it's not possible to convert a slut. Just enjoy her for what she is: free and easy sex. There are no unicorns and if you believe YOU are so special that she'd stop her resource hunting and commit to you, you are mistaken.
There's always a bigger fish. If she hasn't "cheated" yet, it's only because the bigger fish hasn't come along YET; not that there's no fish.
Goldfulgore 10y ago
You are asking a question that goes against most principles of the red pill.
HV123 10y ago
9-2 = 7
My rule of /r/theredpill SMV. x - 2 = smv
ConfidenceMatters 10y ago
As part of the 6'2" Master Race, you're falling too hard bruh
She isn't your wife/GF, out-whore her.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Yep, and it's pissing me off. I could easily find a girl who is as good looking but I don't think the intellectual quality will satiate me. I've fucked a bunch of other girls and I haven't had as much fun as I would have earlier. That is probably the worst part.
ConfidenceMatters 10y ago
If you want someone intelligent and/or someone who is a good conversation, you need some Men in your life.
You're expecting a hot girl to be all logical and intelligent (aka masculine/manly, aka unhappy and slutty, aka terrible Long Term prospect), you cannot expect her to be faithful or anything of the like.
Tis just the way it goes bruh
moiez326 10y ago
you're drowing in pussy. FUCK haha. And here I am, 5'5" indian guy, 120 lbs. thirsty in this pussy drought =T You white guys get the hottest girls from any race you want. Not fair!
imindeepshit55 10y ago
I've met a lot of attractive Indian guys who get laid a lot. I genuinely think it happens more in communities where there are people from a lot of races present. There is a large Indian/Asian community where I live. Then you see them as potential companions and not 'others'. I agree your height leaves you at a disadvantage though, but I'm sure you can compensate.
The_Turbinator 10y ago
Waterloo? Kitchener? Toronto? Vancouver?
SirMize 10y ago
You're a white American, you are not going to get any commitment from this girl. Plain and simple. I know this because I am an Indian male, I have heard this story a thousand times. Simple break down, it works the same for both male and female Indians who don't live in India.
If he/she is a slut, they will continue sleeping around with all different types of people and finally settle down with an Indian, end of story.
Thats it, there is really nothing more to it. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to these rules, but this is just how this shit goes down, 95% of the time.
I suggest you move on, I mean, have you even meet her parents, if not forget it your wasting your time. Unless she introduces you to her parents as your boyfriend nothing is going to happen. And even if she does, its probably just to piss off Mum and Dad.
Archwinger 10y ago
You're not fucking enough other women. This one slut is starting to seem special to you.
Don't you have other shit going on in your life that makes this one slut seem insignificant? Not just woman shit, but real shit. Anything at all?
Work on that. It should put the sheer insignifIcance of this one slut and how absolutely non-special she is into perspective. It'll help the rest of us out, too, by getting you to quit wasting time asking stupid questions about reforming a slut who, by her own admission, loves slutting.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
I see what you're saying. I do have other shit going on (unfortunately she tends to become a fairly big part of it, because we work in the same field and help each other out on a regular basis). Despite hating to admit this, she gives me far more space than I desire which goes to show how low I've gone. I have fucked a bunch of other women, obviously, but I don't feel that level of excitement which is strange for me.
HV123 10y ago
run forest run
GC0W30 10y ago
Had one like this. Nothing but trouble. Best 3 months of my life followed by years in hell. If you can't avoid falling for her, go No Contact right now. If you can avoid it, fuck the shit out of her and smack her ass at least once for all of us here. Enjoy the conversation. Remember to never turn your back on her or depend on her like you would a man.
rpkarma 10y ago
Know what I think he should do? Date her.
She will fuck him over, crush him. Then he can swallow the red pill properly, and become the man he can be. Because ONEitis for a girl he knows is terrible? Damn man, get that shit outta your head. Nail her, and bail on her.
I'm semi serious.
LeGrandDiableBlanc 10y ago
This seems like a bizarre line of reasoning, but experience illuminates its value.
Nothing forces you to look at the harsh realities of the world like having your idealized illusions smashed brutally with a giant hammer.
♂
imindeepshit55 10y ago
This sounds pretty much exactly like how it's going for me. I'm beginning to experience the down hill part of it now. I don't know how long it's going to take me till I go the no contact path since I enjoy her far too much. How do I build up the strength for this?!
For what it's worth, I've reddened her ass aplenty at least.
youcantdenythat 10y ago
Cure for oneitis: spin plates
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imindeepshit55 10y ago
Damn, some manly tears were shed. But thank you for your words of encouragement. I'm going to work on this.
NoReallyItsTrue 10y ago
I went no contact with a girl a few months ago. She was actually the person that introduced me to Red Pill, about 6 months ago now. I started getting feelings for her and told her so. She said she was loving the carousel and I haven't talked to her since. At first it was tough, but I nipped it in the bud fast. The quicker you cut it the sooner you'll recover. In addition, any negative emotions you get from missing her can both be A. shot down by saying "what I did was for the best and I made a decision based on wisdom, not lust or oneitis," and B. used to drive your other passions. I dated harder, got more shit done, had less trouble getting out of bed. It was like, "compared to how I feel about <girl>, getting out of bed on a cold morning ain't that bad. I don't even know why I'm bitching, this isn't even a big deal."
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Damn, that sounds so fucking hard. But this is some grand advice, thanks a lot. I will definitely have to consider this if I can establish that I am going to fall really hard.
NoReallyItsTrue 10y ago
It is hard, dude. I think one of the downsides of the whole TRP community is a lot of guys go around wearing this "I'm a pile of rich, emotionless muscle" persona, but healthy people have emotions. And you don't control your emotions, you can only react to them. Ultimately, decision making has to be a middle ground between what's logical and what you feel is right. Just do what won't keep you up at night, brother.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Yeah. I wondered whether I should even post this here because I didn't think I would get much of a positive response since I've revealed my emotional mess. So it's really encouraging that you get it. Thank you.
dukeluce 10y ago
Ok, now you will see a lot of replys about the mistake you made discussing TRP and they are right. If she is the first one you discussed about RP I feel you. I once made the mistake to talk to a girl not about the RP, not even mentioned the name RP, but about some ideas I agree in the RP. She looked at me like I was some kind of heartless person, with no respect for woman or anyone. Never made that mistake again. Things went perfectly since then.
In your case the problem is that she reacted very good. And that led you thinking you didn't made a mistake. But if she knows what you think about this stuff, she loses interest and slowly become her beta toy, or you just breakup.
I think you didn't swallow completely TRP, not to say you are at the first steps swallowing it. If you had swallowed TRP:
1.You wouldn't talk about that, but just do like it says and keep everything for yourself.
2.You wouldn't have lost the opportunity to fuck another girl, while the indian watches you. That would lead to her joining in.
3.You wouldn't feel for the indian slut and think of her like a LTR ,instead you should make her feel you are the one that she can't afford to lose.(and this would have been done by just doing what RP teaches and not talking about it)
Now what to do to transform her in your monogamous partner?!
Don't talk about RP, go RP ,do RP. Find other girls, get one to have a 3some with the indian and see how things will go. If you want her so bad make her feel jealous about the other one. This way you are going to change roles. She will chase you.
But I wouldn't recommend being so fixated with her.This way you are not going to live your life anymore
through_a_ways 10y ago
"You can't make a ho a housewife"
She sounds like she has very masculine qualities for a girl, so I'd kind of keep away from that as far as LTRs go.
Also regardless of anything your children would be half Indian, dunno how the fuck that'd look.
jacks_not_surprised 10y ago
Dude...don't be a racist fuck.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
That's honestly one of my fantasies now. To just have her at home, taking care of the domestic aspect.
But I agree, she is sort of masculine in some ways. Which is perhaps why I get along so well with her. It's a pity her looks are the opposite which is a big part of why I'm in this dilemma.
I wouldn't worry about kids. A half Indian girl I dated a long time ago was very good looking. I've always thought interracial kids are pretty cute.
So what would you do with a girl like this on a short term basis? Or how would you wean yourself off her?
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imindeepshit55 10y ago
Sorry, what's that?
IN2L 10y ago
Go Fuck Ten Other Women, according to urban dictionary.
gqtrees 10y ago
don't know if i should read that in a racist tone or you are legit curious....
anyways, if you are curious, look at mixed kids of any race. They turn out for majority to be really good looking.
through_a_ways 10y ago
I'm not racist.
Doesn't really matter how "attractive" they are, that's not what I was referring to. I was referring to how "white" they'd end up looking.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
I'm genuinely curious to know why that would matter? Would it matter to you? But most half Indians I know look very white apart from having slightly darker hair and eyes. Never seen an interracial person with light eyes and hair, I think.
through_a_ways 10y ago
Well, I'd rather have a white son, for myriad reasons. I think most of these reasons should be obvious to most here.
Yeah, I have no idea what they look like because I haven't really seen any of them. I suppose it depends on what the girl looks like. What you described doesn't sound that bad.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Fair enough! I see where you're coming from.
breads 10y ago
It's not obvious to me. Can you elaborate? Is it just because white men tend to have higher SMVs and you want your son to benefit from that?
through_a_ways 10y ago
Being white giving you a higher SMV, privileges in other things, and your son looks like you, basically.
trpfieldreport 10y ago
She has higher SMV than you, and you know it. She knows it too.
She's on the CC and you are not valuable enough for her to try and get off of it.
Drop her like a bad habit and find some plates.
You've caught oneitis and it's going to hurt you.
secondshoah 10y ago
Sweden
Yes
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Funnily enough I've never found Swedish girls that attractive.
secondshoah 10y ago
What does that have to do with it? It's an epic meme about how liberal Sweden is.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Oh, sorry. I misunderstood.
lord-denning 10y ago
Lol. Dude this girl waaaay too deep into riding the carousel for you to ever make a dent. Witness hypergamy run amok. There is always going to be a more ripped, more famous, more alpha guy around the corner.
There was a thread on reddit a year ago where a 29 year old Indian girl was coming to the end of her carousel days and was so confused as to why white guys saw her as exotic fruit but wouldn't commit and Indian guys were turned off by her massive number count. She felt oddly betrayed by the system. This will be this little Indian minx in about 10 years.
From now until then, enjoy the decline and get yours while you can.
T1tanAD 10y ago
"TLDR: I want to transform a great, near perfect Indian woman who's a slut to be my monogamous partner. Help."
Reading this reminds me of a bit, Chris Rock(?) did ages ago where he said that two people need to be on the same wavelength to get along. The example he used was that if you were really into Church and your partner was a heroin addict, then chances are it wouldn't work out.
I suppose my question to you is, how big a red flag do you need?
"In fact, she told me she would find it sexy to watch me fuck someone else which instead of delighting me just made me madder." - You cool to reciprocate this?
"I can't really conceive of letting her go and finding someone else. I've met girls who are equally good looking but her compatibility in terms of companionship is very rare and I doubt I will find anyone like her."
So according to the both of you, she's a slut but other than that you're really compatible. I want you to replace 'slut' with something you find equally reprehensible and ask yourself whether or not that would still be a deal-breaker. Dude, you're 26 and despite what other people might say to you, life is LOOOOOONG. All the best.
EDIT: Here's the Chris Rock Bit
Whatever you into, your woman gotta be into, too, and vice versa... or the shit ain't gonna work.
lt ain't gonna work.
That's right. lf you born-again, your woman gotta be born-again, too.
If you a crackhead, your woman gotta be a crackhead, too... or the shit won't work.
You can't be like, ''l'm going to church, where you going?'' ''Hit the pipe!''
That relationship ain't going nowhere. Two crackheads can stay together forever.
masterrod 10y ago
You don't have a lot choice in this matter. You have to let her go, to show her that you don't approve of her behavior. She can't react favorably to you until she feels loss, the loss will motivate change if she values you, or if it's possible.
nosoupforyous 10y ago
Dude, Nothing but heartache in your future.
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imindeepshit55 10y ago
I agree with what you've said completely. Unfortunately that's what I'm wondering - is it possible to rid her of that? To make her appreciate monogamy?
PlebDestroyer 10y ago
Didn't you momma ever tell you boy? "You can't turn a whore into a housewife." You need to adopt the abundance mentality my friend.
Read this withe the voice of Merle from walking dead in your head
ibuprofiend 10y ago
You can't make a ho into a housewife. /thread
TRPsubmitter 10y ago
Absolutely. You can't hamster around this fact.
Why don't you live it up, take her up on some threesomes, or even foursomes?
The last thing you should do is project your own desires (monogamy) onto a girl who CLEARLY told you she's not interested in monogamy. She's warned you.
If you don't listen, you will end up resenting and hating her for not being something she can't be in the first place.
So take her up on some hot ass threesomes.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Yeah, I agree it is my fault for trying to make her fit into that image. Dwelling on it and discussing it here has cemented the hopelessness of an endeavour to monogamise her. I am going to ask for that threesome now...
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
She's too young.
sonicboomboy 10y ago
Seconded. She is too young, too mercurial, and doing whatever she wants, which is exploring depth of her sexuality, in part. As a side note, what was her upbringing? If she grew up in a strict family, then it sounds like she got off the chains..
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Do you think I should 'wait' till she starts getting anxious for monogamy?
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
Have fun with her, but don't be an orbiter.
Just don't stake your claim until she's ready. Then again you could make her ready, but that's too much damn work. Fuck that shit. Let her come to you.
imindeepshit55 10y ago
Now I have to make a choice between waiting for her to come to me and leaving her completely. I don't trust she will ever give up her hypersexual ways, I only hope to make myself the sole recipient of it.
teeay 10y ago
Sorry to be that guy, but that ain't gonna happen. If you peel off the oneitis blinkers, you'd know that to be true yourself.
I'm nearly 50, and I've learned lots of tough lessons. But the one I think applies here, is "wishing don't make it so".
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
The important thing is, have a good time with it, whatever you do.
thelotusknyte 10y ago
First rule of The Red Pill is, you never talk about The Red Pill (to women). Soooooo, not saying that you screwed yourself as far are fulfilling your oneitis dreams, but not a good idea in general.
AllOrDeath 10y ago
Why are you seeking monogamy in the first place? Don't you have a functional and enjoyable relationship right now?
imindeepshit55 10y ago
That's exactly how it was in the beginning. But now I can't get over the jealousy and the need to own her completely.
jakeonfiree 10y ago
I'd say focus on other stuff. It seems like you're thinking or interacting too much with her. You're getting too much reinforcement, which is a big portion of how we form attachments. I would try to back off a little bit and get more into something else that you enjoy. Unless you want to be attached I guess?
AllOrDeath 10y ago
"the need to own her completely." Do you want her to be a slave to you or a partner? Your language is certainly possessive. Not surprising you see monogamy as the solution since it's largely society sanctioned jealously and possessiveness. Wouldn't it be better to free yourself of your need to be possessive? Wouldn't that make you more outcome independent? A better, stronger person?