I've had this happen so many times. I'll always chat back and forth with a girl through text or OKCupid, set up a date, and have them tell me last minute that they either forgot or that something came up.
What's the correct response? Be upset because they wasted your valuable time? Be calm because people make mistakes and you can go hang out with another girl (abundance mentality)? Next her?
What about for the girls that seem like they are eager/excited to go on a date?
oldredder 10y ago
Being upset isn't necessary to understand (you understand) she's wasting your time. NEXT.
"seem eager" -> illusion. If she's eager she'll show up.
A lot of women have zero interest in committing to anything, even a single date. They want validation & online dating gives them that more than anything else. They want boys to worship them so they feel pretty the way men want daily blowjobs from hot girls.
VivalaVeritas 10y ago
Always have alternate plans, though it's frustrating, it is imperative that you hold frame and don't get ass pained that she flaked. If you still want to take this girl out, contact her 4/5 days later, and ask her out again while light-heartedly joking about her flakiness and somehow mention the interesting thing you did instead. If she flakes again, next her, no woman is worth that amount of trouble.
As for the girls that seem eager, be indifferent and treat them as you would any other woman. Maybe tease them a bit more, but return about 2/3 of their attention/affection to them. If she flakes, again, no big deal, just go on about your life and do something cool instead. What you should do different when trying to take out an eager girl; is not to text them after they flake. If they really are interested they'll hit you up wanting to talk/reschedule. If not, next them and move on.
A little tip that's worked for me; always have something alternate planned near the location of the date. Often times I go into the city to meet women, and that's cool because there are so many things to do. If they flake, I'll pick up some books, look through some records, shoot some photos, or do something else I really enjoy. This is great, because even though I know we don't like to admit it, getting flaked on grates on your ego. And if it happens enough, it can make even the most attractive male start to doubt himself. So the next time you get flaked on, go do something you're good at instead, or give an old friend a call and see if they'd like to hang.
gqtrees 10y ago
in my blue days, i was going to go see dark knight when it came out with this girl. We had agreed and i had bought the tickets. about 3 or 2 hours before the movie, she sent me a text saying she doesn't feel good or some shit like that. I was like wtf in my head. I texted her back...umm i already bought tickets or something like that.
We ended up going, but it was a shitty date (wasn't first time out with her and no i didn't fuck her)
What would have been the best response or approach when she texted me about cancelling? even though i had bought the tickets prior.
Entershikari 10y ago
To begin with stop buying stuff for girl No man should pay anything Go on a policy of dutch date (50/50) or set your beta frame for a BB relationship.
gqtrees 10y ago
well this was the dark knight release weekend so it was risky getting a ticket at the door. That is the only reason i bought ahead of time.
mister_barfly75 10y ago
"OK"
or if you've already dated and you want to play some Dread Game "Ok, I'll see if Alison still wants to see it." Then contact a buddy and make the most of it.
The_Floating_Dick 10y ago
This is correct.
This is not. It sounds like you are butthurt, but try to act 'cool' while making an obvious attempt to get her jealous.
Dread Game isn't this blunt, it's sublty making the girl aware of a lot of other interesting things going on in your life.
Imagine the way the guy would act if he really could have a high-value girl come instead of flaker. He wouldn't even bother to reply, he would just have a great time with Alison and not give a single shit about the first girl.
mister_barfly75 10y ago
Ok, in hindsight, yes, obvious ploy at playing the jealousy card. But, still, better than going "Ummmm...but I've already bought tickets" and the added insinuation that you owe me and OP's concordantly shit date. I'll agree that better to say "I'll see if someone else wants to go along" and give the impression that you have a wider social circle to pick from and you're not outcome dependent, there's plenty of people that want to hang with you.
But I will disagree with you about the power of name dropping. Head over to /r/relationships and see how many people get het up about the fact that their SO keeps mentioning some guy or girl from work. If you can play it casual enough, make it sound like you're not butthurt but had a back-up plan all along, the Dread will work in your favour. This is, of course, if you want the first girl to maintain interest in you. If you honestly don't give a fuck and she was just that's night plate then, of course, why would you even bother replying?
gqtrees 10y ago
this is the right answer i was trying to confirm. Agreed!
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
Don't use OKCupid.
minuscipher 10y ago
Acknowledge the "excuse"; radio silence; move on.
Gstreetshit 10y ago
Show that you are annoyed, then when you reschedule flake out.
asd1100 10y ago
You are never upset. Sometimes if something is insulting to your face you can be pissed off/angry and you react on it, don't bottle it.
But in all other cases you should not be so invested that it make you more than mildly annoyed.
that is not abundance mentality that is beta rationalisation of other people's disrespect.
Definitely, attitude matters a lot but it can be a avenue for deceit. I would recommend establishing a penalty nothing to harh but not just a slap in the wrist. Set up something fun playful but difficult during your next date on the spot.
Common knowledge is that if she has a proactive attitude towards rescheduling you should go for it. Your attitude should be unphased but don't pretend you didn't even notice, that is a weak move.
Now, from my exerience, flaky girls are to much work. They don't have their life put toghether and it will be a repetative theme in your dinamic. I next them instantly out of foresight and respect for myself. There are very few events that arise within a couple of hours that make you need to drop all your evening plans, a when that does occur most level headed girls will be so embarashed and apologetic they will beg you for a second shot. But flakes could flake because they decide they have a bad hair day right before they get out of the house ad because that is such a normal attitude they won't feel any guilt and will expect you to try again.
(note:some flakes respond excellently to moral reprimand if you have enough base attraction and that makes them easy no-date-lays, since you don't want to pursue her, go for the killing and put her in her place, poke the bear if you will and see if she invites you over to make it up to you - note to the note: this is a skill shot and you need to really be attractive but the practice won't kill you, just be outcome independent and don't fish for another date she lost the priviledge)
TRPsubmitter 10y ago
Incredibly frustrating situation. You can only play numbers game online.
Just say "Nah...only free tonight as planned. Booked with appointments next week. Hit me up in ____ tonight. I'll be out".
Then move onto the next girl. If she changes her mind and comes out, then great. If not, move on.
kingofpoplives 10y ago
Be calm, but express your displeasure about her blatant act of disrespect. It depends on the context, but if it's a blatant flake, I will reprimand her like a child that needs instruction in basic human decency.
A lot of times girls doing this are shit testing. Either that, or their interest is so low they can't be bothered to go out and meet you. Internet whoring is a numbers game, so if a girl starts acting flaky I tend to assume I'll never see her and go with the nuclear option, because fuck it, nothing to lose. Either it works, and she gets turned on, or it doesn't, but at least you know for you sure it's done and don't waste any more time on her.
The key is telling her off without acting like you've personally have been hurt. Like you are mad because she should know better than to treat fellow human beings with such little respect, not because of the broken plans. Rather than butthurt, you need your anger to be righteous.
It gets more difficult when the girl is hiding behind some sort of sympathy generating excuse, like she feels sick or has a headache. You need to be careful because girls who do this shit will lead you on forever if you let them. I will hit her up to hang out max one more time after this and then soft next.
InSearchofOMG 10y ago
Next. Meaning no further contact. Value your time man! I would say it's occasionally OK to give her a second chance, but not if she "forgot". Whether you or she knows it, this is a massive shit test that you fail by being available.
[deleted] 10y ago
punish flaking. tell them you don't give second chances and stop talking to them. report back results.
Sadpanda596 10y ago
Don't let it get to you, most attractive girls you meet outside your friends circles are going to be super flakey at first. Internet girls are the worst of all. But yea, one tip is to always frame your date as something you're inviting them along to but you're going to do anyways. E.g., "I wanted to check out this bar, wanna join?" after she flakes: "All good, I'll go with a few other friends instead." Wait a few days after a flake - you'll look desperate if immediately start trying to chat her up more.
icanhazTRP 10y ago
I would only go out with her if she proposes an alternative -- eg. She's busy with work today but she's free tomorrow. She needs to show she's still interested without being prompted to do so.
fnordsnord 10y ago
You just give them more validation if you act butthurt. Even if you're butthurt.
When flaking happens, go to your plan b. Always have a plan b. If they flake twice, "NEXT." (Soft next - just fade.)
What' happened is that something better than you came up.
My favorite response to a flake, "K - I just had an old friend hit town anyway."
Then radio silence for at least three days.
gqtrees 10y ago
and then what, msg her? wouldn't that put the ball in her court again?
fnordsnord 10y ago
Sure - if you want. Set up another date.
"I'm gonna be at place X at Y time. You should come. It'll be fun."
If she turns you down, but suggests an alternative, take the the alternative. If she turns you down but does NOT suggest an alternative, soft-next and do not contact her again.
If she accepts, but flakes again, soft-next and do not contact her again. She's got better options and is wasting your time.
creatineboss 10y ago
The flake rate on okcupid is ridiculous my man, its kinda just reality for online dating. These girls aren't emotionally invested in you, they don't know you, there is no incentive not to be a terrible person.
Flakes are not always black and white, if a girl flakes but then offers to set up plans then usually legitimacy couldn't make it but is probably interested.
If a girl flakes but offers no plans or future dates, then just next her. lol
dont take okc seriously, or any online dating that matter, use it as a passive source